July 20, 2025 • 11 mins
WNBA players gear up for a contentious CBA negotiation.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
A couple news and notes of the show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Today, guys, I have a mission for you for a
Sunday fun day treat right here in San Antonio. I
want you, guys to go to the San Antonio Texas
Card Show, and specifically, when you go there, I want
you to see my friends River City Cards. Now, this
show is today from ten am to five pm. For
ten bucks, you can get a day pass. You can
go to see over one hundred vendors there. But specifically
(00:27):
I want you to stop by and say hi to
my River City Card friends. That address is fourteen hundred
Shirts Parkway. That's at the Shirts Civic Center, Building number five. Again,
over one hundred vendors, cards, memorabilia, everything. Cards is a
new thing. Not a new thing. I mean I've been
doing it since I've been little. But again, the San
Antonio Texas Card Show over there on fourteen hundred Shirts Parkway.
(00:49):
Go see my friends, the River City Cards. All right,
all right, all right, all right. So last night, the
last night we had the WNBA All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Uh, I think it was like one f one. Nobody
played defense.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Now did you see did you hear El Duncan's comment
at halftime about the defensive performance.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I get it, but the NBA does the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The NBA is trying to figure that out too, And
the NBA had a terrible All Star Game. Well, I
was telling, I was telling, I was telling the nyl
Clark didn't even play.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I showed my.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Wife the clip of that comment and then I said,
and then she's like, oh, but the men did this,
they would be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I said, no, if shack and and.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Uh and and that's already and those guys did that
the exact same reaction.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh yeah, And I'm gonna get into this because it's
kind of one of these things. Now we all saw
the players last night. Yeah, come out with shirts that
says pay us what you owe us, right, I would
agree right now that the w NBA is paying them
what is old. And I want to be for real here, Okay,
the w NBA is paying you what is old. You
(01:52):
are not the NBA. And I'm not saying that because
I'm a male radio host. I'm saying that from the business.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
All Right, you got numbers, don't you.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Now here's the thing. The WNBA has been around for
twenty seven years. It was founded April twenty fourth, nineteen
ninety six. Now, the first season began in June of
nineteen ninety seven. Okay, it's a young company. Look at
it as a business, because that's what it is. We
(02:25):
learned this in economics in high school. Kids, Pay attention,
take your notes. If you're gonna be a senior this
year in high school, you're gonna start learning.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
What business is A you're talking to your daughter right now.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So yeah, hint, hint, wink wink. So here's the thing
we want to say that right now. Let's go to
the NBA side, shall we. Okay, when do you think
it was founded? I know that you know, but just
take a wild guess again. Sixties June sixth, nineteen forty six.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I guess I didn't know. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
The NBA was created all its third nineteen forty nine,
with a merger of the BAA, which is the Basketball
Association of America and the National Basketball League. The league
later adopted the BAA's history, So it's considering that the
founding is June sixth, nineteen forty six as its own again,
nineteen forty six, nineteen ninety seven. When the NBA first started,
(03:24):
it was small. The WNBA you're small. You have thirteen teams, right,
is it thirteen?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The WNBA? How many teams do we have? Fourteen? Fourteen? Okay?
How many teams do we have in the NBA? Thirty? Okay,
probably thirty two in a next because of.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
The expansion, because of the business. You grow the business.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Likely Seattle, likely Vegas. How do you grow a business?
You make money? Make money? Okay?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I like that, right, I like the money right? So
the value right, because now we got to consider pay
us what.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You owe us. Let's consider the value, shall we.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
The WNBA team has reached a whopping three point five billion, now,
good for them when I'm in the numbers room with
all my executives, yeah, and all my financers.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
The marketing has increased over one hundred and eighty percent,
Thank you, Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But also, and you know this, we both worked in
business before radio and the market evaluation and raw value true,
very true.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Aren't nessary the same thing? Right?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
But now we've increased, we're getting there, which means our
salaries have increased.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right, The better you are, the more money that you
get to make.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's a business.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Jersey sales in the last two years alone have been
let's go back class, twenty seven years of a business, yep,
compared to seventy nine years of a business.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Now, where does the NBA stand right now? Right?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
The NBA value because the average player of the NBA,
the average player, I'm not talking Wimby, I'm not talking
the guy that's signed max contracts.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm talking about your average player, the guys who were
tracksuits for right. But the average player yeap ten million
a year? Is that really the average salary?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Average salary, give or take give or take right, because
of course you have your low ends, then you have
your high end.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It's an average minimum players are getting five six million
a years, so it's an average.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, it's an average. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But you know what, the business can pay them that, right.
The marketing can pay them that. The sales, the endorsements,
everything can pay them that. Yeah, Adam Silver reaching globally
can't pay them that because last time I checked, the
WNBA has not left the coastline.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah. And also that yet and also the NBA hasn't.
I mean you talked about it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
He's a have a push over commissioner to where their
last CBA the players got.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Even more of a revenue share this last time around.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, and again the NBA average salary ten point five million.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Now the w NBA is average. What do you think
it is? Oh, it's like probably like sixty thousand.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Maybe no, believe it or not. Open your eyes. It's
one hundred thousand to one hundred and twenty thousand. Now,
really that's increased, you know why, Shane, because the business
is growing so between last year and this year with
one hundred and eighty percent in there, do the numbers.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You're getting more money. We're paying you what we owe.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You because there was a time where like a lot
of the star players had to go play overseas just
to make the extra income to offset the off season.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
How long is the season for the WNBA?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's about time or games? Games of forty regular season games?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Cool? How much is the NBA eighty two? Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay, So what do you want me to do? The
WNBA commissioner last night, that's not a good look on her.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
She can smile all she wants to.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
With the trophies and everything else like that, But to
have the players come out and do this as a protest.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Was it really a promptest?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Though?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
They want to make the money. I get you want
to make the money. Look, I'm passionate about it too.
I want you to do that. I feel like you
have to let the business grow. You cannot spend more
and not make anything.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
No, I agree with the business aspect.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I just don't think it as honestly as a protest,
because I see it more as like trying to get
the public on their side. Like it's more of a
I guess, an outreach campaign.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
If okay, well they're okay, they're selling out arenas now, yeah, Okay,
they didn't do.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
That twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No, Okay, we lost a franchise here in San Antonio,
yep because we didn't support them.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And I think we miss him now honestly.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, because everybody's like, hey, Maan, Caitlyn Clark, all this
movement because Asia Wilson is. I've heard people say, hey,
we could probably get a w NBA team again.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, well we lost our chance. Well yeah. But the
thing is is that when you're when you're wearing a
shirt that says pay us what you owe us.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
If I'm sitting in the business office of the w NBA,
I'm like I am, Yeah, I am.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Because right now, and you do you do you have
the numbers cause you have a much numbers for right,
Do you have the NBA players revenue share percentage?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
No, I don't have that. Right, I was like forty something.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I know the exact number, but you have to understand,
like the average franchise value, right, it has increased the
for the NBA from two hundred and sixty five million
and twenty or two thousand and one to four point
four to two billion in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
That's the average, Right, that's the average. I know the
Lakers and the Warriors are both like five billion plus. Again,
you're taking your averages.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You're taking it from the guys that are Oklahoma City Thunder,
You're taking it from the guys that are Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Same thing you would do in the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Right, But that's where I'm just sitting here, going, Look,
there's endorsement deals, there's all these deals. In WNBA, players
are now getting more chances to have these endorsement deals.
I'm not saying that I'm against the WNBA because people
are gonna comment, They're gonna be like, oh, you just
hate women athletes. Okay, really, I got two daughters in sports.
(08:49):
I would say this because I did pull it up.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
By the way, when women's basketball, the players own a
nine percent revenue share, which I think you at very
least you and I can.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Agree that's probably too low. Probably objectively sure, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But we're not at the point yet where they deserve
almost fifty percent compared to the NBA players, like like
you talked about, but maybe.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Twenty five percent. But is that fair thirty? Yeah? I mean,
but here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
When it comes down to professional sports in the United
States of America, they're the youngest one. MLS has been
around a lot longer. The MLB has been around for
one hundred and forty nine years. UFC has been around
for thirty one years. They're the next one. They're like
the little brother that's right above them.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, and that surprised me because I didn't think it
was I think they were that old. I thought they
were younger. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, but you're twenty nine years into elite. Let it grow,
and you're letting it grow. But when you do stuff
like that, you're triggering people. Yeah, you're triggering my show
to talk about it, because look, the All Star game
was crap. They didn't play defense. Nobody played defense. There
was nothing to do. All they did was get the ball.
(09:55):
And I watched a few I watched it. I watched
it for a little bit. It's the same reaction that
I have with the NBA All Star Games. So don't
come at me saying, oh, you just don't like women's sports. No,
I don't like all star games like this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Did you watch the Baseball All Star Game? I did?
I did, And I mean we can talk about it
next of you want to. Yeah, of course, that's what
we need to do.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Because the thing is is that when we say, and
we have a shirt that says pay us what you
owe us, they are look at the business, look at
the numbers. That's why we have a financial department. I
don't understand this. Stop making it about that. Go out
and enjoy the growth that you've had. You're a twenty
(10:38):
nine year league and you're gonna continue to grow. You're
gonna get more teams to this. The more teams, the
more chances for the salary to increase. Yes, you've had
a movement with Caitlyn Clark, You've had all this movement,
But come on, don't do this right now, that's what
I'm asking as a sports fan. Look at your numbers.
(10:58):
You're increased in gallery has gone up. All right, I'm
off of that one.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
What I want to do next is I want to
talk about the MLB All Star Game and maybe possibly.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
The loss of umpires. Let's all next on the Fanatics
on Ticket seven sixty
A couple news and notes of the show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Today, guys, I have a mission for you for a
Sunday fun day treat right here in San Antonio. I
want you, guys to go to the San Antonio Texas
Card Show, and specifically, when you go there, I want
you to see my friends River City Cards. Now, this
show is today from ten am to five pm. For
ten bucks, you can get a day pass. You can
go to see over one hundred vendors there. But specifically
(00:27):
I want you to stop by and say hi to
my River City Card friends. That address is fourteen hundred
Shirts Parkway. That's at the Shirts Civic Center, Building number five. Again,
over one hundred vendors, cards, memorabilia, everything. Cards is a
new thing. Not a new thing. I mean I've been
doing it since I've been little. But again, the San
Antonio Texas Card Show over there on fourteen hundred Shirts Parkway.
(00:49):
Go see my friends, the River City Cards. All right,
all right, all right, all right. So last night, the
last night we had the WNBA All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Uh, I think it was like one f one. Nobody
played defense.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Now did you see did you hear El Duncan's comment
at halftime about the defensive performance.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I get it, but the NBA does the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
The NBA is trying to figure that out too, And
the NBA had a terrible All Star Game. Well, I
was telling, I was telling, I was telling the nyl
Clark didn't even play.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I showed my.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Wife the clip of that comment and then I said,
and then she's like, oh, but the men did this,
they would be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I said, no, if shack and and.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Uh and and that's already and those guys did that
the exact same reaction.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh yeah, And I'm gonna get into this because it's
kind of one of these things. Now we all saw
the players last night. Yeah, come out with shirts that
says pay us what you owe us, right, I would
agree right now that the w NBA is paying them
what is old. And I want to be for real here, Okay,
the w NBA is paying you what is old. You
(01:52):
are not the NBA. And I'm not saying that because
I'm a male radio host. I'm saying that from the business.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
All Right, you got numbers, don't you.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Now here's the thing. The WNBA has been around for
twenty seven years. It was founded April twenty fourth, nineteen
ninety six. Now, the first season began in June of
nineteen ninety seven. Okay, it's a young company. Look at
it as a business, because that's what it is. We
(02:25):
learned this in economics in high school. Kids, Pay attention,
take your notes. If you're gonna be a senior this
year in high school, you're gonna start learning.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
What business is A you're talking to your daughter right now.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So yeah, hint, hint, wink wink. So here's the thing
we want to say that right now. Let's go to
the NBA side, shall we. Okay, when do you think
it was founded? I know that you know, but just
take a wild guess again. Sixties June sixth, nineteen forty six.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I guess I didn't know. Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
The NBA was created all its third nineteen forty nine,
with a merger of the BAA, which is the Basketball
Association of America and the National Basketball League. The league
later adopted the BAA's history, So it's considering that the
founding is June sixth, nineteen forty six as its own again,
nineteen forty six, nineteen ninety seven. When the NBA first started,
(03:24):
it was small. The WNBA you're small. You have thirteen teams, right,
is it thirteen?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
The WNBA? How many teams do we have? Fourteen? Fourteen? Okay?
How many teams do we have in the NBA? Thirty? Okay,
probably thirty two in a next because of.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
The expansion, because of the business. You grow the business.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Likely Seattle, likely Vegas. How do you grow a business?
You make money? Make money? Okay?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I like that, right, I like the money right? So
the value right, because now we got to consider pay
us what.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You owe us. Let's consider the value, shall we.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
The WNBA team has reached a whopping three point five billion, now,
good for them when I'm in the numbers room with
all my executives, yeah, and all my financers.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
The marketing has increased over one hundred and eighty percent,
Thank you, Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But also, and you know this, we both worked in
business before radio and the market evaluation and raw value true,
very true.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Aren't nessary the same thing? Right?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
But now we've increased, we're getting there, which means our
salaries have increased.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right, The better you are, the more money that you
get to make.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It's a business.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Jersey sales in the last two years alone have been
let's go back class, twenty seven years of a business, yep,
compared to seventy nine years of a business.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Now, where does the NBA stand right now? Right?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
The NBA value because the average player of the NBA,
the average player, I'm not talking Wimby, I'm not talking
the guy that's signed max contracts.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm talking about your average player, the guys who were
tracksuits for right. But the average player yeap ten million
a year? Is that really the average salary?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Average salary, give or take give or take right, because
of course you have your low ends, then you have
your high end.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It's an average minimum players are getting five six million
a years, so it's an average.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, it's an average. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But you know what, the business can pay them that, right.
The marketing can pay them that. The sales, the endorsements,
everything can pay them that. Yeah, Adam Silver reaching globally
can't pay them that because last time I checked, the
WNBA has not left the coastline.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah. And also that yet and also the NBA hasn't.
I mean you talked about it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
He's a have a push over commissioner to where their
last CBA the players got.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Even more of a revenue share this last time around.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, and again the NBA average salary ten point five million.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Now the w NBA is average. What do you think
it is? Oh, it's like probably like sixty thousand.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Maybe no, believe it or not. Open your eyes. It's
one hundred thousand to one hundred and twenty thousand. Now,
really that's increased, you know why, Shane, because the business
is growing so between last year and this year with
one hundred and eighty percent in there, do the numbers.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You're getting more money. We're paying you what we owe.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You because there was a time where like a lot
of the star players had to go play overseas just
to make the extra income to offset the off season.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
How long is the season for the WNBA?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's about time or games? Games of forty regular season games?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Cool? How much is the NBA eighty two? Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay, So what do you want me to do? The
WNBA commissioner last night, that's not a good look on her.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
She can smile all she wants to.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
With the trophies and everything else like that, But to
have the players come out and do this as a protest.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Was it really a promptest?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Though?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
They want to make the money. I get you want
to make the money. Look, I'm passionate about it too.
I want you to do that. I feel like you
have to let the business grow. You cannot spend more
and not make anything.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
No, I agree with the business aspect.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I just don't think it as honestly as a protest,
because I see it more as like trying to get
the public on their side. Like it's more of a
I guess, an outreach campaign.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
If okay, well they're okay, they're selling out arenas now, yeah, Okay,
they didn't do.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
That twenty years ago.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No, Okay, we lost a franchise here in San Antonio,
yep because we didn't support them.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And I think we miss him now honestly.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, because everybody's like, hey, Maan, Caitlyn Clark, all this
movement because Asia Wilson is. I've heard people say, hey,
we could probably get a w NBA team again.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, well we lost our chance. Well yeah. But the
thing is is that when you're when you're wearing a
shirt that says pay us what you owe us.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
If I'm sitting in the business office of the w NBA,
I'm like I am, Yeah, I am.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Because right now, and you do you do you have
the numbers cause you have a much numbers for right,
Do you have the NBA players revenue share percentage?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
No, I don't have that. Right, I was like forty something.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I know the exact number, but you have to understand,
like the average franchise value, right, it has increased the
for the NBA from two hundred and sixty five million
and twenty or two thousand and one to four point
four to two billion in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
That's the average, Right, that's the average. I know the
Lakers and the Warriors are both like five billion plus. Again,
you're taking your averages.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You're taking it from the guys that are Oklahoma City Thunder,
You're taking it from the guys that are Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Same thing you would do in the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Right, But that's where I'm just sitting here, going, Look,
there's endorsement deals, there's all these deals. In WNBA, players
are now getting more chances to have these endorsement deals.
I'm not saying that I'm against the WNBA because people
are gonna comment, They're gonna be like, oh, you just
hate women athletes. Okay, really, I got two daughters in sports.
(08:49):
I would say this because I did pull it up.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
By the way, when women's basketball, the players own a
nine percent revenue share, which I think you at very
least you and I can.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Agree that's probably too low. Probably objectively sure, but I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But we're not at the point yet where they deserve
almost fifty percent compared to the NBA players, like like
you talked about, but maybe.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Twenty five percent. But is that fair thirty? Yeah? I mean,
but here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
When it comes down to professional sports in the United
States of America, they're the youngest one. MLS has been
around a lot longer. The MLB has been around for
one hundred and forty nine years. UFC has been around
for thirty one years. They're the next one. They're like
the little brother that's right above them.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, and that surprised me because I didn't think it
was I think they were that old. I thought they
were younger. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Well, but you're twenty nine years into elite. Let it grow,
and you're letting it grow. But when you do stuff
like that, you're triggering people. Yeah, you're triggering my show
to talk about it, because look, the All Star game
was crap. They didn't play defense. Nobody played defense. There
was nothing to do. All they did was get the ball.
(09:55):
And I watched a few I watched it. I watched
it for a little bit. It's the same reaction that
I have with the NBA All Star Games. So don't
come at me saying, oh, you just don't like women's sports. No,
I don't like all star games like this.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Did you watch the Baseball All Star Game? I did?
I did, And I mean we can talk about it
next of you want to. Yeah, of course, that's what
we need to do.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Because the thing is is that when we say, and
we have a shirt that says pay us what you
owe us, they are look at the business, look at
the numbers. That's why we have a financial department. I
don't understand this. Stop making it about that. Go out
and enjoy the growth that you've had. You're a twenty
(10:38):
nine year league and you're gonna continue to grow. You're
gonna get more teams to this. The more teams, the
more chances for the salary to increase. Yes, you've had
a movement with Caitlyn Clark, You've had all this movement,
But come on, don't do this right now, that's what
I'm asking as a sports fan. Look at your numbers.
(10:58):
You're increased in gallery has gone up. All right, I'm
off of that one.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
What I want to do next is I want to
talk about the MLB All Star Game and maybe possibly.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
The loss of umpires. Let's all next on the Fanatics
on Ticket seven sixty
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