180. 2025 Starts With Catchup

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Weird you wee met you.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
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little bug. That's why I wrote this song. Now here's
a list of things I put ketch about. Catch your
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
We are back. The holidays have passed. It is dreary
and cold and dry and many other bad things. But
we watch a lot of movies. I'm Emily, I'm Christine,
and this is the feminine critique. We are back to
a good old fashioned catch up episode. It has been
three months, two and a half months. I don't know

(01:07):
how to do the math on that. November to December
to January sixteen years. So yeah, that's about right. Yeah,
all of that. Christmas is over. I've watched a lot
of holiday themed movies, but we are not talking about
that today. We are just diving into the many things
we've been consuming over the last few months. Isn't that right? Christine?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
That is right? And since I think a lot, as
a lot of people do towards the end of the year,
maybe play a little catch up, we can maybe talk
about some newer stuff. So in case in case, we
can swap recommendations. Maybe people listening can go, oh, I
didn't even know that existed because so many movies came
out in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
This is true, and I actually I went to theaters
and saw movies. Can you believe that?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh, I'm excited to hear what got you into a theater?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah? Yeah, it's easier now than it used to be.
I can't explain it, but it's wild. So why don't
we start with newer stuff? You said you had quite
a few from twenty twenty four. Get throw out something
which you got.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, I think we should start with the highest high.
And I'd be so embarrassed if I already talked about this,
but I didn't think I did. I saw Megalopolis.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
You did not talk about this. I am jealous because
I really wanted to go see it, because I felt like,
oh God, I'm missing culture by not seeing this, And
timing just never worked out for me, tell me everything
about Francis Cordopela's, you know, Piece to Resistance.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
So I did not fall in either extreme realm. I
had seen that people were like, no, no, no, this
is a masterpiece, and then of course, you know, other
people were like, this is this is embarrassing, this is trash.
As someone who saw and enjoyed the film TwixT and

(02:54):
believe that that might be a masterpiece, I don't think
that Megalopolis is, at least not for me. It's bizarre.
I think it would be good in a group. I
think if you could make drinking games.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Out of it. So for you, was it kind of
a campy experience kind of?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
I mean, okay, because I love Adam Driver and he's
just dislikable and awful and really committed. So that was novel.
And also, if you've heard anybody say Aubrey Plaus is
amazing in it, she is truly the only one that
seems to understand what's going on, like what the material
maybe is. But then other parts of it are just

(03:36):
super boring to me. I mean, if you think it's
a masterpiece, you might be getting all this like additive
stuff from it. But also there seems to be like
a lot of like AI Previz and so like it
had like a very like AI feel to it. I
can't really explain what I mean, but I didn't like that.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Very much, understandable considering some of the things that came
out around the movie and terms of the way they
were promoting it, like with AI. Oh with like the
fake the fake bad critic reviews and such like it
and again like it's it's Coppola, who I think it
does a lot of things. But I could see him

(04:14):
like embracing this as well, like it's not less so
the artistic the way I think, like you and I
feel about AI, which is it doesn't artists don't like
stop using it as a replacement for art. But the
alternative to that is like, oh, using it as a
tool in art, which I understand a little more, but
I still think is kind of not going to be

(04:35):
done right. But I could see him being like, well,
here's a tool that I can use now and using it.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, I think that is I think probably the accurate take.
It feels like and I've heard some stuff about like
they he was delivering like stacks of new pages every day,
and to me a way that you would be able
to do that, if true, would be to ask your
magic creativity box. Yep, it out some creativity And if

(05:02):
that is true. There is a meandering quality, like an
aimless quality to it that I think might be because
of that. But yeah, it's very dramatic and very over
the top and sometimes cool looking yeah, and then other
times like absolutely not cool looking, Okay, really really weird.
I think if you were to do it in a

(05:22):
group of people, I think it would be really fun.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah. I feel like that's one now that it's kind
of the conversation around it has died, It's one that
I kind of feel like now I have to wait
for when there is a i don't know, like a
talkback screening or something where I'm going to have a
hard time imagining myself just queuing that up on Netflix
and sitting down and watching it, because it seems like

(05:46):
it is bigger than that. But also when is the
moment again for that movie.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
No, it's a good point, and that's why I like
watched it almost immediately when it was available. It was like,
I don't think I'm ever gonna want to watch it's
so long.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, Yeah, that's that's the thing. That keeps happening now
with movies on my side, I'm trying. You know. I
did this last year. I was able to get through
the ten Best Picture nominees. And I really like to
have opinions about the oscars that I can stand behind
based on seeing the movies. So I'm starting to do
that count of like, Okay, what do I think is
gonna get nominated? Let me try to go see it,
or let me watch it and I guess on a
similar like a movie that I think is not Megalopolis

(06:26):
isn't divisive. I think for the most part people didn't
like it, and those who did kind of were able
to kind of support it in different campy ways. But
a movie that I think is much more like Wildly
Divisive down the Middle that is on Netflix so it's
easy to watch. Currently the front runner for Best Picture.
Maybe I have a theory that it won't be because
of the preferential ballet. I decided to give a go
to Amelia Perez.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, I don't know what this is. Can you please
explain it?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Okay, Amelia Perez is a musical. It is a and
here's the thing. I love musicals. I love good musicals,
So spoiler, I didn't love Amelia Prez. It is about
a Mexican kind of cartel guy who or I shouldn't
say guy, the leader of a Mexican cartel who has

(07:11):
done terrible things, but he's also ready to transition and
is trans and wants to biologically change. So this person
enlists Zoe Saldana as an attorney who can like, who's
just really smart, so she can make a lot of
calls and figure out what she needs to do to
arrange for the operation to fake the death. Then it's

(07:34):
years later and now the titular Amelia Perez is out
of hiding, but not nobody knows who what her previous
persona was. And meanwhile, her wife is Selena Gomez and
kids are somewhere and she wants them back but doesn't
want to tell them what's going on, and blah blah blah.

(07:56):
It's a lot. It's this is a long movie. I
don't know if it's as long as an A. It
just feels really long. I ended up watching it in
like three segments. The cast is great, The performances are great,
they really are. The songs are terrible, like it's not
good in music, and it's a musical. It is This
is funny. It is France's submission for International film, even

(08:17):
though the movie is primarily set in Mexico, the director
is French, the cast is obviously primarily Americans. Max question
and he can yeah, And here's the big thing about it,
Like again, this is one of those movies where I
don't have that strong of an opinion on. I appreciate
the idea of this movie, and I appreciate it. I

(08:37):
think if I sit back and think of it as
this movie is like an opera in that like opera
isn't necessarily about the lyrics to the music. It's about
like what the music makes you feel, and you don't
necessarily if you like look at the actual because most
of the movies are are in Spanish, so if you
read the subtitles, your like, these lyrics are really dumb.
It's like no, no, no, But that's not the point

(08:58):
of it. I can respect that, but it's still means
that music should be good, and it's kind of not.
I think politically, there's a lot going on here that
I don't know that I'm comfortable weighing and on not
just the trans narrative, but the kind of the way
that movie handles Mexican cartels and such. I feel like
it's a movie that, like, I didn't see green Book,

(09:19):
and I don't think this is probably as egregious as
green Book, but it kind of feels like that scenario
of this is a movie about a Mexican transwoman made
by a French white man. Yeah, so like, and I
like it's I'm not the one to necessarily pull it
apart and say where it goes wrong, because I think

(09:41):
if it, if it does things for people, that's wonderful.
But I just don't understand it because it wasn't to
me that entertaining interesting.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, I had heard of it. I don't have Netflix.
I have heard of it and knew of it and
heard people saying the name. And then the Emmy's happened, right, Goldenlopes,
Golden Globes. Sorry, Yeah, and then that happened, and everybody.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Kept like, who they're gonna start turning on it? Yeah,
there was a lot of also anger at it. So
it's become the Oscar villain, which is always fun to have.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Geez. Yeah, very very complex over there, indeed. Yeah, Yeah,
I watched a movie released in twenty twenty four that
you might not have heard of. And this is a
big recommend for anybody listening. It is called Magpie.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
It sounds vaguely for me. I feel like I had
heard somebody say watch out for Magpie, like it was
one of those movies like put on your list for
twenty twenty four, but then I never saw anything else
about it. So tell me everything about Magpie.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
So it stars Daisy Ridley, and I think she might
have been involved in the production of it. But it's
kind of like a it's like a thriller, like a
twisty thriller, and it's just really really satisfying. I think
I called it like a good for her thriller. There's
just something about like a subversion of expectations and that

(11:00):
I if you like, like a thriller. I wouldn't call
it erotic, but it definitely like is like psycho sexual.
I would I would suggest it. It was a lot
of fun. I really enjoyed it. It probably is one
of my favorite movies of the year because it was
just such a satisfying viewing.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Nice is really good. Yay, that's exciting.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah. So if I don't know where it is, so like,
I'm not sure if it's streaming, but if you have
access to it.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Meg Pie, according to just Watch, Megpie is currently not streaming.
It is rentable on some places. It'll come around.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
It'll come around, I hope at least, and if it does,
if I see it, I'll start screaming about it again.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Excellent. Okay. On the topic of how'd you describe that
psycho sexual? Yeah, okay, okay, Oh no, when I do
have something that's psychosexual, this is not twenty twenty. This
would be I think twenty twenty three. But I know
you've seen it, and this is I forget who made it,
but it's an adaptation of a novel that I very

(12:05):
much enjoy I lean, Oh, is that Anne Hathaway and Thomasin?
Thomas and Mackenzie? Did I make that up? I mean
that I know it's Thomasin. I don't remember her last name,
but you know who we mean? Adaptation of O Tessa
mush God. I can't think of the novelist who I've
read all of her novels that I love her and

(12:25):
I can never remember how as her name, but I
lean is psycho sexual to an extent.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Right, Yeah, I enjoyed it when I watched it.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Enter it's so gross. I love I love how gross
it is and that it embraces that because that's on
the page of just like it's like bodies are gross
and things happened to them and yeah it's a good
wa it's a Christmas movie too, so hey.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Oh yeah it is huh yeah yeah, yeah. I enjoyed it.
It is something that I would probably rewatch it was
if it was just like somewhere Yeah, give give me
a weird thriller any day. Yeah, come on, Okay, did
you see Civil War?

Speaker 1 (13:02):
I did see Civil War. I could not decide how
I felt about Civil War? What did you think?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I would say? Overall, it left me a little cold.
It's been a minute since I since I watched it.
At this point, I guess, so I the details of
it elude me, But I of course I found that.
I guess maybe the setup to this the more I guess,

(13:30):
like the more relatable violence. At the beginning I felt
was a very affecting because it was like undeniable and
like eerie and scary. But I guess where the story
ended up turning into was like I don't know if
I'm getting anything out of this anymore.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I feel like the craft of that movie is impeccable.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, I mean with Alex Garland's Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
It looks great, it sounds great, it is visceral. Christian
Dun's just so fucking good knit She is very good.
But there is something about like it's one of those things.
I think this happens a lot of times. And it's
funny too with it being Alex Garland, because I think
is a great writer, and I don't think of him
as equal in filmmaking. But I think this is a
movie that is a better made film than it is

(14:13):
written script because I just don't think it has anywhere
to go, and I think that's the part of the
nature of it. But that makes it very empty watch ye.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
In some ways, no, I can agree with that.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Interrible. I have a movie, a twenty twenty four movie
that also left me, oh, this is okay. It's a
hard one to talk about because it I have to
be careful abut how I talk about it, because I
had not a problem. There is something the film did
in a casting choice that I think gave something away
that I don't think it was supposed to give away.

(14:49):
And this is a movie that is very well celebrated.
I think it is a very good movie, but it
did not hit me the way I was prepared for
it to hit me. And this is Nickel Boys. What
is Nickel Boys is based on a Coulson Whitehead novel.
Culson Whitehead wrote Underground Railroad very I think one of

(15:10):
those one the Pulitzer. I can't remember which one. Nickel
Boys is a It is a fictional film, but it
is based on like very real, terrible cases of a
like a boys for a formatory in Florida that operated
for a very long time and in the sixties, when
the world was more racist than it is now, or
more overtly racist than it is. Basically treated young black

(15:34):
men very very very poorly. The main kind of like
trick of this movie, or the easiest way to have
it stick for you if you're trying to remember what
movie is. This is a movie that is filmed kind
of first person, like hardcore Henry style, but not hard
Henry style. So it's like a young you know, a teenager,
a black teenager in the sixties who ends up having

(15:57):
to go to reform school for reasons that you shouldn't
have had to, and then terrible things happen there, it's
you know, you get some flash forwards to what happens afterwards.
So it's him and this other boy and it's them
kind of living this very scary life. And the film
is done always where it is either it is one
of their you're seeing what one of them is seeing,

(16:18):
which I think is a There's a lot of really intelligent,
smart decisions there, because it means you're not seeing violence,
but you are experiencing it almost more. It's a way
to put yourself directly in the story. But also it
means that you are not watching bodies being beaten and
everything else that happens to them. So again, like the

(16:42):
craft of this movie is impeccable. It is very well acted,
it is very the sounds are great on Janie Ellis
is there, and every time she's on screen, you're just
like like leaning into it. I think there's a lot
of things this film does that are really rich and
I would recommend anybody see it, and I would say
it's a good film to see in a theater, which

(17:03):
is why I wanted to see it in a theater,
because I knew it would be one of those film
experiences that I might lose something in translation at home,
I just I had. I knew very little of the story.
I walked in deliberately not knowing anything, and once I
realized kind of who was playing a character, and a
flash forward like I recognize the actor and you are

(17:25):
not supposed to because the character the actor is shot
from the back, but I understood who that was, and
I thought, oh, oh, wait a minute. And I don't
think that ruins the movie, but it definitely like turned
my brain in a different direction. And then I'm watching
a movie knowing something I don't think I should have
necessarily known. So not there. I mean, there are a

(17:49):
lot of critics who made this overwhelmingly their number one
of the year. It's one that people are saying, like,
this is one of the best movies of this era.
I think it's very good, and I understand somebody seeing
that in this movie. For me, it didn't connect the
way I would have hoped it would. But it's but
it's very good.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Interesting. I don't know how. I have no idea what
this is, but I have now added it to a list.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, it may it gets some Oscar nominations. It seems
like it is likely not going to and then going
to get talked about is one of the big, the
big snubs, so the snubs, yeah, I mean also, I
mean it's a very black movie, which sadly are often
automatically snubbed. So there's that.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Interesting. Oh, I have added it to a list. I
love doing these, I know. Modern Well, I have one
for you. It's not at all serious, but it's probably
one of my favorites of twenty twenty four. It's called
f Mary Kill.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I have heard of it, but I don't know much
about it.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
It stars Lucy Hale.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yes, I'm listening, I know, right, And if.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
You saw that Fall movie or Starfish, I guess, but
I haven't really seen that one. But that Fall movie
where the two girls are on top of that really
high thing.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Oh, I know the one you mean. I didn't see it,
but yes, one of them is.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Named Virginia Gardner. She's in it too, for charming. So
it's like a good cast. And then it's like ki
it's like thriller horror, and it's kind of app based fun,
so all like my favorite things. I got a huge
kick out of it. I did not necessarily take it seriously,
but it was like a really satisfying, fun watch with

(19:33):
a good cast. So I have to make sure more
people see it because I will never fun.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
I will as you know, I am weirdly as much
as Aria was my least favorite, pretty little liar, I
have come to really enjoy Lucy Hill's film career because
all of the dumb house stuff that she's done, I've
I've really liked like Fantasy Island and uh, what was
the other one? Like, yeah, she's my girl. When it
comes to like she's picking the scripts, I would want her,

(19:58):
want anybody to do.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
So it's wild. Her filmography is always fun. So when
I see her pop up in something like maybe I've
never heard of and maybe I'm on the fence about,
I was like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
And it was just fun and like nice.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
I don't know. It's about like dating and like how
dangerous men can be or how they can appear, and
it's so it's like like kind of like fresh, but
like not obviously as like nuanced and deep and serious
and well done. This is much more a fun version
of that.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I think nice. I will look out for it. It
is not streaming yet. I just checked.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
I'm a Lucy Hale fiend. The second it's.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Available, I'm like, give it to me in my veins. Okay,
on the topic of fun, this is not something Lucy
hell appears in, although dang, I maybe in the next one.
Last night I wanted something like light and easy and
what a pleasure. This is on Netflix, so you would
not currently have access to it. But there is a

(20:59):
new Wallace and Gramit movie and it's fucking delightful. Do
you know, I've never seen a wall of Oh I mean,
Grammat is the real star of the movies. Grammat is
the doc and Gramma does not speak, but he and
he only has like eyeballs in a nose and he
makes the most wonderful expressions and he is he is king.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
This.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
But here, here's the thing, Grammat is not really the
star of Wallace and Grammat Vengeance most foul.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
The this movie brings back a character from an earlier film,
which is the evil diamond stealing penguin.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Oh, I know that guy. The pictures.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, the Penguin's back and they, like, these movies are
just so delightful. Like you sit down, it's all like
you know it's gonna end well because you know they're
they're made for a young audience. That's fine, but they
are so like just clever and funny and soft. And

(21:59):
I was like thinking about it a lot today, was
just the simplicity of images in this movie and how
funny they are. I'm thinking like, because you have when
like kids, movies today tend to be like a lot
of everything, right, Like I've never watched a minion, but
every time I see a minion, go buy my TV screen.

(22:21):
I like flinch because there's so many of them and
they're all talking at once, and there's so many things
on the screen. Because when you're doing cgi like it
doesn't matter, you're not limited. So put more minions in,
put more aliens in, have things flying in the sky,
like like you're doing claymation. Every single thing you do
is it takes hours and hours of labor and work
to do. So you end up having like just a

(22:44):
single shot of this penguin with handcuffs and penguins imagine
a Pegin penguin doesn't have hands, but yet they put
like handcuffs on them. And I was laughing hysterically at that,
and like it's that kind of movie where just those
tiny little things that just add up all together and
it's just such a like a delight and a reminder

(23:05):
that like where humor comes from, and like how to
craft something that is funny and moving and will work
for all ages, Like you can do it with the
old tools because those worked for a reason. And it's
just lovely.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Well that is lovely. I know. So Zach went to
school for like animation and stuff. I know he's a
huge fan, Like from an artistic standpoint, I mean probably
a content standpoint here, I can't really speak to that,
but like he's he has brought He has been surprised
that I am not familiar with it. He has been
surprised that because it is I guess ubiquitous and to

(23:42):
a certain group of people that is not me.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Well, I feel like they there was a crossover at
some point in the mid nineties when I think like
these were around in the UK for a long time,
and then there was they won an Oscar or two
for short film kind of brought it more to American's attention,
and then there was a couple of movies that kind

(24:05):
of transferred here and then they it's the same team
that did Chicken Run and it's the same style of humor.
I mean, Chicken Run is I think a little bit
like a little bit more American, I guess in some ways,
but it's a very similar kind of storytelling. But this
feels incredibly British and small in a perfect way. So
it's a delight you used to watch.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
It, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll get there kind of
adventure potentially. So I'm only talking about the movies that
I liked or I'm taking seriously. So this one's on
Shutter and it's just more of like a hey, if
you got Shutter and you haven't watched this yet. I
liked it a lot. It's called Daddy's Head and it's

(24:46):
got a very weird title.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I know, and it it is.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
I really took a gamble on it because I didn't
know where I was going to land.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
It is like folk care, oh okay.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
And like a way I didn't expect, I guess. So
it's it's modern, it's like right happening now, but it
is like got this like old woodsy, what's out in
the forest, like full horror vibe, and like there are
a couple of genuinely scary spots. So I know a
lot of us have Shutter and I have. We were
talking about resolutions. I guess one of my twenty twenty

(25:20):
five goals is to watch more things on Shutter. Sure
the thing that I have, and I picked this one,
and I was like, whoa, this is really good.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Nice. I had heard, I'd seen it kind of go by.
I've seen some people talk about it, and I forgot
to ever pay attention to what they said about it.
But your recommendation is enough for me to check it out.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah. I mean, sometimes you just want to like watch
a horror movie from the year that you're living in,
and sometimes it's that seems hard to get to.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
But this is like, yes, this is solid and good, nice, nice,
I will I will check it out. Let me see
I have this is not this is I have a
film that nobody knows how to categorize. I think they
have eventually decided to go with comedy. Uh, it is
not horror, although it is I think was initially proposed
to be a little supernatural, but not so. This is
one of those cases where I said, I've been going

(26:10):
to the theater because I have a theater near me
that does like Q and as and directors there and
all cool stuff, and this was a case where they
were doing the director Q and A and I love
this director. And I had no intention of seeing Night Pitch,
but I wanted to see maryel Heller in person, so
I went to see Night Pitch. You have not watched it?

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Have you? No? Put pitched me on it? Should I
watch it? Because we've almost started it like two or
three times?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
So okay, this is It's I have been similar not
I enjoy this much more than Amelia Prez, but in
a similar way of like trying to wrap my brain
around it to say this movie does not I admire
this movies like I understand every thing, the reason why

(27:01):
this movie is what it is, and I think there
is a really particular audience out there that deserves this
movie and that has never had a movie like this,
and I think this is like a gift to them.
To anybody else watching it, it's like, oh, but why'd
you do that? But why'd you do that? You know
if you did it this way, but you're like, oh, no,
I understand you did that because you are making and

(27:23):
I really feel like maryl Heller was making a movie
for mothers who feel this way. It's a movie about
a you know, Amy Adams is a mom. She was
an artist. She or and her husband have a kid.
She's been taking care of the kid. The kid's like
two and a half or so, so he's that age
where like it's like you don't even put him down
for naptime. It's like that age of like, oh, no,

(27:44):
this kid is my life because if I turn my back,
he might set the house on fire kind of thing.
And she's you know, it's it's the movie is kind
of magical realism, like she's narrating it. There's you know,
moments of fantasy or not. She's like the way this
movie's described as like a mom turns into a dog
like not no, but like yes but no but yes yeah.

(28:07):
And Amy Adams is tremendous in it. The like watching
it because again I sat in the theater and I like,
I asked your question during the Q and A because
I was the thing that intrigued me most watching it
was realizing, like Amy Adams, ninety percent of this movie
is a Her screen partner is a toddler, Like how
do you do that as an actor and director? Because

(28:28):
she this kid obviously doesn't have a script like she's
playing off this kid, and like you can like scoot
a kid to get a certain you know, to get
a reaction out of them. But like she's doing all
of this work and it just seems, you know, it's
kind of incredible when you think of it that way.
So it's I don't like it doesn't fully work. There's

(28:50):
little things about it that are great. Like Jessica Harper
shows up in a kind of like maybe witchy role.
That's pretty cool. That's definitely like a wink to I
think certain people. I think this movie is very much
like digging into any mother who has dealt with like
doing all of the work and not being appreciated for

(29:11):
it or not being like looked at as a human
being for a while. Like it's very much a movie
about like book club bombs. And I say that, I
don't say that in a like disparaging way. I say
that in a way of like the bond you form
with women who are going through what you're going through
that is this incredible thing, Like to give birth to

(29:33):
a child and and or to raise a child is
a huge feat and we don't treat it as one
because it's something you know that has been happening forever,
and I feel like all of that passion is here
in this movie, and I think it is just like
it's trying to it's really passionate about that in a
way that does not reach most. I think a lot

(29:55):
of people are gonna walk away being like impressed by
certain things or kind of like think about different things different.
But I think there is a small portion that will
walk away from this movie feeling really validated and seen.
And I think that's admirable.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
I mean, yeah, that's that's important, right, Yeah, like not
everything is made for everyone exactly. That actually makes me
want to watch it more.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
I'll be really curious to hear your thoughts when you do.
It's on Hulu now, I think, oh is it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I actually had no idea where that even was. We've
just we just sometimes scroll through like the recently released
on like Voodo or Fandango or whatever it's called, and
be like what should what should we watch and then
pick from there. So I don't even know. That's cool?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I wrote that one.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Down to I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on it.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, I've been on like it's a cool like you know,
echoing what you just said it's a cool idea, but
I was worried about like accessibility, execution, like tone, Do
I want this in my life kind of thing?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, I think it is. If anything, it is more
positive than maybe I think if it had been a
little darker or a little not meaner. But like, and
I haven't read the book, so I don't know how
the book resolves, but I feel like there is this
movie is like meant to be uplifting, and it also

(31:17):
probably would have gotten more respect if it had not
been if this had been more darker or like left
you in a darker note than I think people would
have like critics would have liked it more. But again,
it's not made for them, so that would be my thought.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Interesting, all right, I'll do it eventually. I would like
to talk about the most important movie of twenty twenty four. Boy,
yay all time?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Oh boy, I'm ready, I'm ready, And I don't know
if you saw it. We'll find out because.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
You might have. H So I finally watched I saw
the TV flow.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yes, remember oh, speaking of this same theater. This was
the pleasant Field Jacoburns Home Center. Remember I went to
see it and got to see a Q after okay, because.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
So I had a feeling that you had seen it,
like you had told me that, but I tend to
just like block it.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
I think. I also, I didn't want to say much
about it because I knew you would see it, and
I really just wanted you to see it on your
own terms. So all I said was like, it's absolutely
one of I think I said, like, there's nothing else
like it it.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I don't really think I can talk about it because
I'll probably start crying, yep, but it is probably one
of I think it's the most important modern movie that
I've seen, the most important movie of my adult life.
I think I just can't say enough good things about it.
I simultaneously, since I watched it, I always want to

(32:42):
be watching it slash. I never want to think about
it again. Yeah, I never want to think about it again.
I can't talk about it without bursting into tears. I
can't think about it for too long without again. But like,
I also want to watch it again because I know
that there are towards the end when I kind of
sussed out I guess what we were kind of doing.

(33:04):
I was able to like pick up some other stuff
and I think there's only going to be more on
a second viewing, and I want that from me so badly,
but I also don't want to be upset again.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
It's been a few months now since I've seen it.
I forget when it came when it was released, but
I saw it like when it came out in theaters,
and I, I mean, it has not left my brain
at all. I very much want to revisit it. I
think it's on Max now I know it is accessible. Well,
I watched it on Max, okay, and I have debated
like the same thing of I think it will be

(33:40):
an incredible experience second time through. What do I want
to get when I sit down and watch it? Because
I and again this is another movie that I think
you it is. I would love to be in more
discussions with people that have seen it to know how
do you walk away from that? Do you feel good?
Do you feel bad? Do you feel hopeful? Do you
feel devastated? And I think every answer is the right one,

(34:01):
which is really cool, and it's one that I feel
like It's a movie that I would walk into and
say this is how I want to feel when I
leave it. So I need to watch it that way.
It is a special It is like nothing else it is.
I mean ging Churumberg has found a tapped into something

(34:22):
and has found like a film language that is so
familiar and like accessible to I think us in particular,
because generationally they are like clearly have the same references
that we do. And it's kind of like it makes
me think it's something I've said when I've read like
Tony Morrison of I read a Tony Morrison novel and

(34:43):
I think, how is it possible that I am the
same species as Tony Morrison, Like this is an artist
who has found a way to do something that nobody
else has done. And I feel that way about Jane Shrenburn,
that these are just this is something very special, and
that movie I thought was yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, I totally agree with all that. I think it's
interesting because I was talking to somebody on Blue Sky
about this movie and they asked me the same question
that you kind of touched on, like how did you
walk away? What did you feel when you walked away
from it? And that's so funny. I didn't even think,

(35:21):
like it's almost like, why are you asking me that?
Like I felt the spectrum of human emotion yeah, which
is which is like what I was supposed to feel, right,
because the thought of compartmentalizing my feelings is just like
so impossibly difficult because I was like simultaneously like shaking

(35:43):
and crying, but like so leaned forward in my chair
that like I wanted to like like merge with the content,
which is I get it because of what the fucking
movie's about, but like I feel like there was like
some like cosmic stuffs speaking through like the annals of
time of like this is like human experience television.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
In a way that nobody has figured out how to catch.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
And it's so wild because like, yeah, I absolutely found
the the ending to be hopeless and hopeful. I think
it's like a cautionary tale, and I think it's I
think it's definitely obviously about like gender dysphoria and the
trans experience, but as much as it's about that stuff,
which is obviously there because of you know, the creator

(36:29):
and just the content in general, I think it's about
a million other things.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Oh god. Yeah, And I mean that's one of not
to compare it to a movie that is very fun
but not at its level, but it's like, when I
think about the movie, the menu, and to me, I
found the menu like weirdly, I really found it to
be saying something about art. And everybody walked away from
that movie talking about food. I'm like no, I'm like, sure,
this movie is using art, but this is a movie

(36:54):
about art. This is a movie about being an artist
and losing and not being able to make art for
the reasons and for the people that you initially made
art for. It's your art has been commodified and now
the only audience for your art is the wealthy and elite.
And I feel like that's something that you could say
about I saw the TV loough of like, well, it's
you know, if you're not trans, if you're not you know,

(37:15):
kind of on the on the LGBTQ spectrum, like it's
not gonna hit as much. Like no, Like I'm I'm
somebody that I am, you know, pretty sure, I'm pretty
standardly boringly home heterosexual. And I'm watching this movie and
first it's given doing two things for me. It is
giving me a window into something that into an experience
that I otherwise have, you know, do not have an
ability to tap into. But also I'm watching it thinking like, well,

(37:40):
you know, living your life in a way that you
are not you know, because you you didn't live your
you didn't you know, stop and say this isn't right,
like somebody who's a lawyer who deep now and wanted
to be a painter. Like it's the same. That's there too.
It is a universal truth of this is a movie
about life not lived the way deep down you wanted

(38:03):
to live it, and that is not exclusive to this
one experience.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yes, exactly, you're one hundred percent. And so when I
say like cautionary tale, it's kind of like this is
don't ignore yourself, like don't don't bury yourself whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
That means exactly, you know.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
And that of course, like the very end, because this
is a movie that ended, and Zach and I both
looked at each other like and that never happens, like
like this is over. It ended like like almost like
like this this feeling of like shock and loss.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I was like, no, don't go away. I thought that
way too. I was like reaching in. I'm like no, no, no,
don't don't leave me yet. Don't. I don't want you
to go away yet. You're not ready.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
But that I think is part of it too. It's
almost like we have to acknowledge that, like, Okay, now
you have to look at yourself like this is gone
and done now, so now you have to you have
to be with yourself with this. Yeah, and it was like,
why did you do that?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
You did a lot to me?

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Stop it.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
God, like one hundred and ten minutes of so much.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
For real, so fucking good.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, I loved it. Best movie of the year.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I agree completely. I mean, I don't know. It's tough
because that is the same year that Beetlejuice. Beetle Juice
came out.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Oh did you did you see that?

Speaker 1 (39:22):
We did? It was like New Year's Day? I said
it like that, Well, no, no, New Year's Day. Brad
AND's like, oh, I want you want to watch a movie.
I'm like not really, I'm like I gotta do stuff
like put something on Like it's fine. He's like, I'm
gonna put music. What if I put that. I'm like, yeah,
that's fine, I'm not gonna watch it. And you put
it on that I honestly like much much better than
I thought it would be. Like my intention had been

(39:44):
like I'm gonna sit here, I got baking to do,
I've got you know, some emails to answer like hey
I put on put this movie on. I'm not gonna
pay attention, And I ended up like watching it more
than not. Like I got up to go to the bathroom.
Briends like do you want me to pause? I'm like,
you know what, yeah, you can pause, And I feel
like that's that's kind of the level I was at
with that movie, Like no, no, no, it was pausible,
it was definitely possible. It's trying to do way too

(40:05):
much it. I don't know why it needed to cram
like so much into its running time, but it does.
And so then like as a result, it doesn't You're like, wait, wait,
we're moving through a lot of characters right now and
we really didn't have to. But that being said, like
I chuckled a few times, the cast is great, Like
everybody's great. Everybody came back to do what you know

(40:27):
they can do, and they do it great. It is
not as like Winky Winky nostalgia heavy as I assumed
it would be, just based on how easy it would
have been to make a movie that way, Like.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
The marketing telegraphed that it was going to be that way.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Exactly like this, Remember that and no, I thought like
it had a it had a new story, it had
fresh things about it. So it was a far better
time than I expected it to be. But you know,
it was still a very like here's a studio movie
about you know that we think people the test audiences

(41:02):
have said this is exactly what they want. So yes,
it was that, but you could tell it actually came
from a place of like, we want to make the
best Beetlejuice movie we can, so that's good.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, we I think we watched the uh we watched
those pitch meeting videos on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, I think
we watched the pitch meeting on it and it was
like it didn't make me as like irate as maybe
I thought it potentially could. Yeah, fair, fair maybe eventually.
I know Zach's a little interested in it.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, I mean the art direction of it's gorgeous, Like, oh,
just for the visuals, like if you liked the way
Beetlejuice looked and want to see like, oh I wonder
if they did something different like yeah, like you get
that plus new things, so oh cool alone, it's worth it.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
That's a selling point.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, okay, all right, I got a few more from
this year before we want to dive into just straight
out horror. Do you have more recent like new movies.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I think I have one more worth talking about. It's
Y two K.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Okay, I have heard nothing good about Y two K.
Would you think?

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I liked it a lot? But I think it really
funny of talking about beetle juice. I think it really
leans into the nostalgia. I think it's comedically nostalgic, and
I think that that I would rather have kind of
almost like over the top tongue in cheek. This is
what the late nineties right, and that very much was

(42:20):
that I did. I did actually laugh, like I guess.
I think Kyle Mooney's funny. Like so, I haven't watched
the other movie, that Brigsby Bear movie.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Oh I have not either. I'm like, I don't know
who Kyle Mooney is.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
He's a FNL guy.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I watched it some millionaires He's so, he's like he.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Made this movie called Brigsby Bear and it was kind
of divisive, I guess in its tone and comedy. We
I never looked at it, although I do know Zach
is interested. But I thought since this was more like
you know, Y two K, like yay, fun nostalgia and
it's like a horror movie straight up. I thought, like,
this is a good entry point, and because I did

(42:58):
enjoy it as much as I would, I'll check the
other thing out. But like, yeah, it's like it's like
tech carr but also like funny. But if the if
the humor doesn't land, I could easily see being like,
oh this is groaning. Yeah, I don't know. I liked it,
but I'm looking at my letterbox now and somebody I

(43:19):
follow gave it four stars and somebody else gave it too,
So I think it really depends.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
On a lot. It's I mean, it's not you're the
first positive review I've heard of it, but I am
intrigued now, so maybe I will check it out.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, if it's a round, I don't Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Currently it's not streaming anything of that I have, so okay,
all right, I have a so a few more newer ones. Again,
the whole like me watching movies that I think might
get Oscar nominations. Uh. First was Conclave, which is streamable
on Peacock. Now it's the Pope movie. Oh that okay, Yeah,
it's fun, it's good. Yeah, honestly, like it is one

(43:55):
that on paper would not sound appealing at all, but
it is really fun to It is like I'm trying
to think of like somebody to compare it to. But
it feels very much when we talk about like how
they don't make movies for like just good not life changing,
like you just want a good movie for grown ups
that's conclave, like it's it looks gorgeous. It is. It

(44:16):
is one that, like the art direction does so much
great work in making everything that does not need necessarily
sound good on paper, fascinating and thrilling because like just
watching you know, like the thing about Catholicism is that
it's a very pretty religion and it's very into its

(44:36):
imagery and its iconogry. So you you have big hats
and you know, lots of red robes and shots of
just you know, umbrellas, like there's a it's really a
good looking film, great cast, ridiculous cast, everybody's on fire.
I enjoyed it. I was like leaning in. I was
invested in who is gonna be pope in this movie?

(44:57):
That is not real without a real pope. So I
think it is very like it is very pleasing and
I don't can't imagine anybody not having an enjoyable time
with it.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
So interesting. That's a pretty good review.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah, I saw a movie. I'm curious for your thoughts,
but it's on Netflix. I doubt you'll ever get around
to it. This I think had some Oscar buzz for performances,
but the problem was it has this is a movie
that has three actresses that are worthy of Best Supporting Actress,
and you cannot give it to all three, so therefore
none of them will likely be nominated. And this is

(45:34):
his three daughters.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
I don't even know what When you do not have
access to the Netflix app regularly, it's like a whole
different world of media.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Exists, and especially a movie like this, which I had
heard about it for a long time because it had
a festival run last year, and I remember because the
cast and the topic was interesting enough to me that
I was like, Oh, I want to keep an eye
out for this movie. I'm really interested to watch it.
And then when they said Netflix bought it, and then
Netflix held on to it until like September or something.

(46:07):
They I think they thought they were being very strategic
about when to release it, thinking it would have like
a wards buzz. It's a very small movie. So it
is three daughters, his three daughters, three daughters who their
father is in home hospice and he's dying. So it
is Carrie Coon, Natasha Leone, and Elizabeth Olsen, Like my god,

(46:30):
that cast like those three are just very different actresses.
I think, who And that's maybe like so there's a
reason it's not called three Sisters because they are they
are like sisters. But the biggest problem with this movie
is that it complicates its narrative in ways that it
doesn't need to, and I don't understand why it does that.

(46:52):
It's very small, it is could be a play. It
is almost entirely set in this apartment where they are
on hospital stuty with their father. These are three women
who are very different, who do not necessarily have not
gotten along their whole lives. They are united in this,
but there are tensions here, tensions there. It is a
very just this is a movie to just sit back

(47:13):
and watch three actresses do incredible work as somebody who
has gone through hospice. Like it's one that, like with
my siblings, it's one that was very much like, oh
well here here we I know what I'm going into,
Like is it gonna call upon all these memories and such.
It's it's very good. It is not perfect. It is

(47:33):
worth a watch. If this sounds appealing at all, it does.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
It's the dude directed French Exit Michelle Place, which I
did not see, but yes, yeah, I was surprised when
I went to the IMDb to see who was in it.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
So yeah, it's it's the three of them are great. Yeah, yeah,
so I recommend uh. And then the last big thing
that I've saw and like very big because I went
to a theater to see it, into the big theater
because it was sold out everywhere and it was Thanksgiving weekend.
And as a loyal musical fan and lifelong devotee of

(48:15):
the Wizard of Oz who when I was fourteen years old,
for my we talk about Catholic when I made my confirmation,
which is basically when you're like made an official like, oh,
you're gonna go to heaven when you die in the
Catholic religion and then you don't have to worry about
anything ever again. My gift for my confirmation, all I
wanted was to go to I can't remember if it

(48:36):
was be Dalton or Walden Books. Now I'm all, but
it was like one of those and go get a book.
And the book I wanted to get was Wicked, which
had just been released in hardcover in the year nineteen
ninety six or ninety five, I guess. And so I've
always been a fan of the Wicked property. And I
went to see Wicked on the big screen.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Okay, give it to me straight. I've also read that book.
I got it, I think thrift store in Astoria for
like a dollar nice and just was like to do
And I don't know, I don't think I cared very much.
And I've never seen the play, yep.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
I mean the musical is the I loved the novel.
I've not read it in a while. I've reread it
more than once because it was very much my jam.
It was the Wizard of Oz, but reimagine in a dark,
sexy way. The book has a lot more like weird
sex things going on. They don't really get to that
in the movie, unfortunately. But the musical, which I actually
I look, I'm gonna you know, brag a bit. I

(49:35):
was in college in New York City when the musical
came out, and I was so excited because I'm like,
how the hell, did they make a Broadway musical out
of this novel that I know is fucking weird? And
so I went to see it in previews. I actually
had gotten tickets to the first performance, and then they
had to delay the show by like two weeks because
the rigs weren't working. So I got to see the
original cast and all of that, Like I know the music.

(49:57):
So this and this movie has been years in development. Hell,
at one point, remember when Brett Ratner was going to
direct it. Yeah, yeah, that was the thing that all
wants to happen us.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
That's why when this gut like announced and it's like, oh,
Ariana Grande s and I'm like, yeah, sure, she's yeah.
And then it came out and I was like, oh,
I guess she wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I didn't believe it until there were actual, like set pictures.
I'm like, Nah, this is gonna fall apart. They're not
gonna actually do this movie. Yeah it's John Chu, who
obviously we are big fans of John Hue, Step up
to the streets step of three D, and I'm like, yeah,
John Chu is the guide a director Wicked movie. I
So I will say overall, I like I actually think
it's great. I am happy for it. It's a movie.

(50:36):
It's like kind of like the way I felt about
Barbie last year, where it was like, this is really
good for cinema for this movie to have the effect
it had, for it to be this surprise kind of
four quadrant. It's like, I think it's at like four
hundred and fifty million box office so far, Like this
is good. This means more more musicals, maybe more movies

(50:58):
that are that are like where it's okay to make
a movie for a female audience, Like these are all
good things. And I the things I'll say the things
I didn't like about at first. I didn't like the
look of it. It looked to me like Wonka, which
was a movie that I loved but did not like
how it looked where it's like it's CG. It's not

(51:18):
apparently it's not that much CGI. Like a lot of
the sets are were built, but they do this weird
thing to them where they just look like CGI. I
don't know how to describe it, but visually, I just
didn't like looking at this movie very much. And the
biggest names in this movie, Jeff Goldluman and Michelle o
are it's like, I understand why you put them in,

(51:43):
but also like every time they're on screen and you realize,
oh no, they're gonna sing, you're kind of like, uh, okay,
all right, here we go.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
But that was actually gonna be my main question. That
is what I'm worried about now.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
MICHELLEYO doesn't have to sing much, which is good because
she's as good at singing as I am, which is
not something I break up very good. Jeff Golblum has
a number because it's there is a number in it,
and it's it's Jeff Golblam is just being very Jeff Golblum,
And I understand that's why you cast somebody like that
in that part. But considering like this, you know, Cynthia

(52:20):
Rivo is a name now and it has been for
a while, but like is a Broadway bona fide Tony
Award winning Like when they when they cast her, I
was like, oh okay, good, Like I get it, like
they are treating this correctly. And then like you're like,
she has to sing with Jeff Golblum, Like that's just
mean to all of us, But it's not. It's it's

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a small part of the movie. Cynthia Rivo is great
in the trailers. I thought she was not being I
was not looking forward to her performance because I thought
the trailers did not sell whatever the way they were
being cut. It was like that thing where you're making
They don't want to advertise musicals as musicals, so they
take all the dialogue scenes and PLoP them in very awkwardly,

(53:06):
so it ends up looking like these people can't act,
but they can. She's great. Ariana Grande is terrific. Jonathan
Bailey does the what I call the Eddie Redmain thing
of inlay Miz, where like Eddie Redmain's playing Marius, which
is always the worst part in the movie, but he's
really good in it, so you actually like listen to
his song. And same thing with Jonathan Bailey. He is
not the most interesting character, but he's fantastic on screen.

(53:28):
So I mean I cried, I was moving. I was like,
you know, I could feel my chest swell for some
of these songs. So it is it's and this is
what I think what makes me also like a little
more sour on Amelia Perez in a year of where
you have several musicals like and real musicals, not I

(53:50):
don't know, like movies that incorporate music like No, No.
These are absolute blatant musicals, and that's great and I
love to see it to compare the two, like, sure,
there's a budget difference and everything else, but also like No,
Wicked's the way you make a fucking musical. You care
about the songs and you invest in them, then you

(54:10):
you do them right, and that's what carries the rest
of the movie. So I had a good time.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, I've heard. I've heard people have been really affected
by it and really enjoying it and like having like
positive experiences with it, even if they don't have any
like ties or feelings about it going in. So I've
been like curious to maybe when it's convenient for me
to get a hold of it or whatever else. I'm
not sure.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yeah, it's hard for me. It's like rentable now. I
think I think you can rent it for like twenty bucks.
I'm sure I don't. I can't remember which studio actually
owns it, so it'll end up somewhere, you know, by
the time oscars roll around. It's hard for me to
say with you, because I mean, it is the best
thing about it is that it's a good musical and
that it does the songs right. And it's John Chu
who knows how to shoot songs and dances and everything else.

(54:56):
So I like singing.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
I think we've talked about this. I tried to watch
Into the Woods and had to shut it off. I
like singing where it's not the singing being like I'm
gonna go over here and get a drink, and it's
more just like like a nice song that captures the
theme of what's happening.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yes, And a musical is the music should be. I
forget like there's a great definition of what a musical
is and why the songs are in a musical. And
it's basically like the songs are in a musical because
the sentiment is too big to express in dialogue, right.
And it doesn't mean everything is like a big belt out,

(55:37):
you know, eleven o'clock number. But it's like it could
be falling in love, it could be a quiet song
about your misery, like, but it's that moment of this
is this is bigger than what words can do. So
I need a tuba And that's something that Amelia Prez
I don't think does it all. I think most of

(55:57):
the songs are like I don't know, let's have a
song here, whereas wicked like no, no, no, These are
like this is this is the uh I want number
and this is the falling in love number and like yeah,
and those are absolutely tried and true and they work
when they are done well and performed by people that
know how to perform them. And then it's a good time.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Okay, well look at that. Yeah, I'll get around to it.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Good good now. That is oh the last non or
like twenty twenty fourth thing that I should shout out.
There's a documentary about Martha Stewart called Martha that if
you are like me, somebody who was fascinated by Martha Stewart,
you must watch. It's delightful. It's just she's like you
can take a lot of life lessons in every which

(56:42):
way for Martha Sewart, but to watch her just talk
and be annoyed at the at the documentarian who she
is talking to when you can tell she would do
everything differently, That in itself is a joy. So check
it out.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
I wonder if that's why those foxy pictures of her
when she was younger are getting passed around again.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Oh yeah, she's she's having a moment.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
I was like, yeah, she was foxy when she was younger.
Why is that so hard to believe her?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
A looking older woman was good, but so good looking,
like she was a model, Like that was part of
how she hates.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, well, it's good that the children are learning about it.
I suppose you know that nice old lady that hangs
out with Snoop Dogg was also hot when she was younger.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yes, who knew?

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Who knew?

Speaker 1 (57:22):
All right, when I take a quick break and come
back and talk about horror, let's do it all right. First,
I'm gonna go and get myself a drink, and then
got a hit pause on the recording.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yeah, I'll be back to.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
See. I really couldn't thing I've been never really saying.
What I couldn't do was to saying I have trouble
with it's a terrifying See.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
I really couldn't hear what's not which it disappear it's
not one said, let's not a lot when it's a machine.
It's a little like that, but it doesn't have it. Oh,
I know you're thinking on, but I really couldn't say.

(58:08):
I could never really say what I couldn't do was.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
We're back and I won't sing anymore because I don't
have any horror musicals.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Unfortunately, we'll have to figure something out.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
You know, it's really a shame. Man, Well what you got.
Let's talk about the horror movies we've been watching.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Well, I think what's funny about this is that a
lot of these are actually twenty twenty four horror movies.
So like, yeah, whatever, I just didn't they're not okay. Well,
so I watched Smile too. Did you see Smile too?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I did not, yet I was fine on Smile. I
know you did not like Smile.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
I didn't like Smile. I think that this movie is
fine okay, and I had no problem with it. There
were parts of it that were actually pretty cool. I
feel like they course corrected the things that I had,
you know, not enjoyed about the first one. But I

(59:16):
still it's just maybe like, yeah, not everything's for everybody.
It didn't like like it's about this one's about a
singer lady, which is like interesting because Trap was about
a singer lady and the.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Year of pop stars and horror, which is kind of cool,
which is interesting.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
This is I think a better movie there's some interesting stuff.
It plays with like linear narrative a little bit like
with our perceptions of stuff. So in that regard it's interesting.
And obviously, like mental health struggles with like a female protagonist,
it's always gonna hit a little bit. It's like, oh, yeah,

(59:54):
I see your PTSD. Nice. So, like that was good,
But I would I would recommend it if you have
any interest in it. I think, especially if you were
lukewarm on the first one, this one might actually hit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I was. I think I liked the first one
more than some but a lot less than others. And
I liked the idea that everything I heard about Smile
too of just like, oh this is this is smart.
You have figured out. Yeah, like you found a way
to make a horror franchise. And the smartest thing to
do with a horror franchise is show how the thing,

(01:00:28):
whatever it is, whether that's a killer, whether that's a curse.
In this case it's a curse, how you can plant
that into different scenarios and it can work and be interesting.
So the idea of you, it would have been very
easy to just continue this movie with like Kyle Gollner's
character or another therapist or something, but like, oh no,
let's take it in a completely different direction.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
And do it to a pop star.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I like that. It feels more like talk to me
in that regard, just like of kind of like implanting
this horrifying situation into a normal person's life and like
walking away and seeing like I thought, I thought that
was really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yeah, well I have I guess here's a twenty twenty
four horror also part of a franchise and something again
on paper. I respect the idea of Okay, we're making
the third film, but we're gonna go and we're gonna
We're not gonna make the movie that you thought we'd
make after the first two. I just wish I liked
it and that was Maxine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Oh I still have not seen anything beyond that first one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Okay, again, I really liked X, I really liked Pearl.
I did not like Maxine at all. In yeah, I
have not heard anybody mount a great defense of it.
It is I respect that, Like, again, he could have
done a lot that would have made a lot of
fans happy and gotten what they wanted. This goes in

(01:01:45):
a very different direction. It really doesn't feel a horror
movie for a while, but he just I don't know,
it's just not good. I didn't I was bored and
I wasn't confused. I was just like, Oh, we're going here, now,
We're going here, now, Okay, this is we're going now.
And he just it ended and I just immediately looked
at Brad and I'm like, yeah, he's like nah. I'm like, yeah,

(01:02:06):
so not a recommend for but I mean, you kind
of have to see it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Out, but I guess that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
I feel like at some point, like the fingers of
the universe are gonna pull me to watch those movies
for some reason, and until then I'm just gonna chill
over here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Again. I think X is a well made for what
it's doing. I have a huge fundamental problem with like
the casting of X, but as a like kind of like, okay,
we're making a slasher's that has a little bit of
a different things to say and explore. I like that
Pearl is I mean, Mia goth and Pearl is fantastic. Again,

(01:02:46):
I think she is probably a nightmare human being, But
by golly, do I want to watch her in horror movies.
So I will as long as I'm not supporting anything terrible.
I will keep watching her in horror movies, and she
is great in Pearl, and Pearl is visually really cool.
It's doing again things that you haven't quite seen done,
tell them a story in a different way. I think
Pearl is great. I have nothing much to say.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
About Vaccine interesting. I think I would have thought Maxine
would have been like the one where you could really
make this, like the tie it together, make it clear
what you've been doing, like have it be like a
really satisfying and he just.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Goes completely opposite direction and does not follow up on
sort of the questions he was asking in the first films.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I think that's interesting. Yeah, I don't get it that
that feels strange, considering like it feels like these movies
as like a TREATO were kind of a little bit
more like conceptualized or planned out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I don't know that they were. I feel like they
were making acts. I think ty West and Miagoth like
probably like saw a lot, like got along and started talking,
and I think that's how they came up with Pearl.
I don't think Pearl was intended to have been made.
And then as they were doing X, they were like, hey, wait,
a minute. This would be really cool if we made
movie that's a prequel and that's what they came up

(01:04:03):
with Pearl. And I don't know what the intention was
with Maxine. I don't know where it came from. I
don't think me a goth has like a story credit
on Maxine, so this is I think it's like al
Taie West, whereas like I know, she kind of co
wrote Pearl. So I don't know, but it just did
not work for me at all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Huh interesting, But someday, yeah, someday it'll come knocking. I
have a movie that's not from this year or last year.
I don't remember where we watched it, but it's something
I had scrolled by a bunch from twenty eighteen. So
that says a wait further instructions.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Oh, I have seen this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah, yeah, I liked it a lot. I thought really
weird and interesting Twilight Zone episode it is, and it
never feels like we're so Sometimes the worry with a
movie like this, it's so it's like basically single location,
you're trapped in the house. I worry that it would
kind of like run its course too fast or we'd

(01:05:06):
just be like kind of kicking along boring while we
ran out this uh this time clock, but it never
felt like that. It was fresh and interesting and zagged
and escalated.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
And weird, and you it's a kind of the setup
is it's what is it Christmas? And it's a like
kind of very dysfunctional, awful family and the like the
Sun has come back with his fiance and they immediately
are in lockdown and there is a mysterious like TV
telling them like a wait, further instructions, the world is ending,

(01:05:41):
or like there's a virus outside. Here's what you have
to do. And so it's very like, wait, who do
we believe here? And you as the audience know no
more than the characters, and so it's a great like
what what would you do here?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
And it's and it's pre it's it's twenty eight I
remember I watched this during COVID and I was really
I did not realize it had been made in twenty
eighteen because I thought it was like very current. It
speaks a lot. I don't think it was, you know,
obviously made in a different time. But it has a
lot to parse through, I think, and it's I think
it's aging very well in a scary way.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah, definitely. So I think I watched at the beginning
of December and it it hit it was it still worked,
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Yeah, yeah, good stuff. All right, I'll go to one
that is also old. Okay, here's one from twenty twenty one,
I think on Shutter. Also my goal will watch more
on Shutter.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
This is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
A movie that is it's on Shutter, So you're gonna
kind of think you're getting one movie you're not quite
getting in the movie it advertises, but you're getting a
very good movie. It's called The Hole in the Fence. Oh,
is from Mexico. It is about a like group of
school of like very elite young boys who their teachers
take them to this camp and they do this every

(01:07:05):
year and it's like in the middle of like a
really bad area and there the kids are told like,
don't ever leave this camp outside, like people will shoot
you when they see you. Stay here. We're gonna like
we're raising you as good boys. And you know, there's
a certain way to do that. And then you know
the next day they discover there's a hole in the fence.

(01:07:26):
It's like, oh, so somebody can get in maybe or not.
The description on Shutter is like it's Lord of the Flies.
It's really not, because instead you realize very quickly this
is not spoiling anything. This is a movie very much
about how adults, like you know, poison the minds of kids,

(01:07:48):
and how like in order to have a hierarchy of
the rich and the politicians and so on, like you
need to train kids to be selfish assholes and you
need to make sure like the strong become alphas and
the week are kept in their place, and the strong
know how to bully the week and everything. So it's

(01:08:08):
very just this kind of mentally you realize, like there
are mental games being played with these kids while things
are still happening, and while like the kids are doing
their own thing. It is I'm trying to think what
to best pair this with or compare it to. But
it is very good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
It is not that violent. There is like the ending
will punch you because you realize something at the end
of Oh gosh, But it is very it's a very good,
dark movie about how shitty rich men are. I think
is one way you're looking at it's very good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Oh yeah, you got me, yeah, And it's on Shutter.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
It'll look it'll help me stick to my I know,
doing my part.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Thanks. So this is actually I don't want to talk
about it too much because I actually might want to
pitch you on watching it for the show. So Russell
Crowe made two Exorcist movies, Yes he did, so I okay.
So one of them was directed by Joshua John Miller,
who big fan yeah for for For those of you

(01:09:17):
who may not know, he wrote The Final or co
wrote The Final Girls, a film that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
I think is really enjoyed completely and also co starred
in a movie that is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Near and dear to my Oh, vampire doesn't move?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Oh sure, yeah, fine, he's in your dark, Christine. I'm
not here to talk about near dark. I am here
to talk about one of the greatest musicals of the
nineteen eighties, Teen Witch.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Oh yeah, Teen Witch.

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
So yeah, Joshua John Miller, I so one of them.
So I watched both of them, both of the Russell Crowe.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
I'm not I will never tell them apart. One of
them is the Pope's Exorcist. The other is what like
the last.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Sech No, the Exorcist, just the expert.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Come on now, I can't handle that's not doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Itself any favors. So what this one is about. It's
about an actor who goes to play the role of
an exorcist and like kind of gets possessed. And I
think because of you know, Joshua John Miller and who

(01:10:25):
he is and who son of that is, I think
that that's really interesting and weird. And I don't know
that I liked it, but I am so fascinated to
try to figure it out because it's like so on
the nose. Yeah, what a weird thing to make a

(01:10:48):
movie about. But also I'm so fascinated.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Well here's the thing too, I don't I don't know
if the which movie it was, but I know I
had heard like one interview with Joshua John Miller. He mentioned,
like one, I think The Final Girls was the movie
for his mother and this movie was a movie for
his father. I'd have to look that up to confirm
I said that right, But that like The Final Girl

(01:11:12):
that I don't know. I forget who who his mother was.
His mother was also an actress, and I think I
don't know the I think because I watched The Final
Girls assuming it was very much like taken in part
from him being the son of a horror icon, but
I don't think that's the case. I think that was
more a tribute to his mom, So this I think
is very much about that relationship. So I find you've

(01:11:34):
had me intrigued to We'll do it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
I think it could be interesting because I don't I
don't have anything to say other than the fact I
watched it and I still don't know how I feel
about it at all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
I feel like I also can't watch the one without
having seen the other, non related Russell Grow Exorcist a movie.
So we'll do both.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Extorsis is stupid? Like you might laugh at it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
It's so funny. Now you make me want to see it,
so yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
It's silly. I think people liked that he was driving
around on a little vest, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I mean you just say that in my laugh, so obviously, yes,
this is true. Yeah, all right, Okay, I'm curious if
you have seen either of these movies, because I know
one of them star is an actor you like quite
a bit. The other one is on shutter. So I
watched and then about a month and a half later
watched Speak No Evil, and then Speak No Evil.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I have not seen either.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Okay, The hardest question is to say, well, which one
do you watch? The original is is great? Is a
great horror film. The less you know going in, the
better it is. Like when I was writing about it,
I always do like, you know, what could have been improved?
I'm like, this is a kind of a perfect movie.

(01:12:45):
It is not the best movie I've ever seen. It's
not the best horror movie I've ever seen. But like
thinking it through, I'm like, there is nothing in the
original speak no evil that could have been done better
for what it's trying to do, Like it is fairly lean.
It is every like character choice means like has like
plays at some point like and this is something that

(01:13:07):
like it's the dumbest thing. But in the American version,
like there's like a scene in the original where two
characters have sex and their kid is like knocking on
the door and they don't open the door, and it
ends up like without ever being said, means so much
because you understand then why a character doesn't do something
because like this is nagging at her of like, oh
I didn't open the door when my kid knocked, And

(01:13:30):
the American version just like doesn't have that scene, so
it you're like, what what But that meant something like
that had something to do there. The original is just
a great dark mean you will feel like shit after
in the best way. The American vers I'm calling it
the American version even though it's like very the half
of the cast is British or of different countries, but

(01:13:50):
the director is British. But it feels like it was
made for an American audience because the the it turns
into like action hornle and the director has even said like, well,
since my characters were American, I thought they would act
differently and it's just kind of dumb then for those reasons.
But James McVoy is so good.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
That's I don't know, that's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Yeah. Yeah, they're fascinating to watch together because it really
does feel like, oh, it's kind of very much like
The Vanishing and the Vanishing if you watch the two
of them together, where you feel like whether it was
and I don't think this was studio mandated. I think
this was James Watkins wanting to make a movie a
certain way, Like it feels like there is some force
saying this is what Americans are and you're like, ah,

(01:14:37):
are we Oh, we're dumb, this is dumb. The original
is not dumb? Why isn't so dumb?

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Yeah, that's frustrating people had I had heard people say
that like the original was like super mean.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
It is mean.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
It is absolutely it's mean, And I think maybe I'm
in a better place where I could approach a movie
that is mean, especially knowing that it's mean. But like
when it first really kind of came out and was
making the rounds, I was like, I'm not in a
good place sure for meanness, but like it also is
interesting to look at it from like a pair, just
to watch it in order to pair it. Yeah, I

(01:15:13):
think that is something I would be interested in, and
it's almost.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
A trick to figure out, like which order. I feel
like the smartest thing to do would if you wanted
to actually enjoy the second film, then you could watch
that first and walk away and say, well, that was fun,
that was a you know, pretty good story, great performances
like McKenzie Davis is there, she's great. James mckavoway is unhinged,

(01:15:39):
and he is great when he's unhinged. You could walk
away and feel like you watch the kind of like
action horror type thing, and then you'd watch the original
and say like, oh, wait.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
How that? Wait? That was a remake of this even
though for the first like forty five minutes or the
same movie. It's a very strange experience and I kind
of want more people to double feature it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
So interesting. Okay, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Believe the new one is on Peacock and the original
is on Shutter, So.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Yeah, I noticed that the original was still on Shutter
when I was going through making my new shutter list
good Times. I only have a couple things worth mentioned in,
but this is I guess this is more of a
thriller than a horror movie, but it's worth bringing up
because I had no idea it was good. So I

(01:16:26):
wanted to go through and have all my letterboxed milestones
last year. So fiftieth film, one hundredth film, undred fift
be all halle Berry movies, and specifically Harry halle Berry
movies where she's on the cover or the poster. Okay,
So I started to towards the end of the year,
I was getting to the dregs. I was like, I

(01:16:47):
don't know what I'm gonna watch.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
I mean, all I can picture is Gothica with her
hands on the glass.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Maybe Gothica was number one hundred, but I one of
my last movies that I watched with her on the cover.
It was The rich Man's Wife from nineteen ninety six.
I don't know this and yeah, so it's a movie
directed by Amy Holden Jones, who you may know from

(01:17:12):
the Slumber Party Massacre. Oh, she directed, she directed Slumber
Party Massacar. This movie is banana grams. It's so fun
and so silly and so weird and so twisty and
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
And it co stars Clive Owen.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Yes, Clive Owen's in it. He's not in it that much, honestly,
but he is in it. It is a lot of
fun in Amy Holden Jones fucking awesome. That she's so great.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
That is very exciting. This is a streaming on Hoopla.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Okay, that might have been where I saw it. Yeah, yeah,
it didn't seem hard to find, but I couldn't find
a lot of information on it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Those are like my favorite kinds of movies, especially if
they're from the nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
But the cast is like undeniable. It's all people you recognize, right,
and then to see that it's written and directed by
a woman, and oh, it's sorer Party massacre. So there's
like this deep understanding of the genre that you're subverting
that is like so exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Oh, okay, I'm gonna watch it. It's it's again. It's
on Hoopla, so it's gonna be a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Yeah, it was. I had a lot of fun with it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Nice. Okay. I have a movie that feels like it
was made maybe in the nineties but was not. And
here's one that's like similarly bonkers and also has a
great cast that does not deserve But that's good because
it means like it's a good movie for like linking
things and if you're playing in a matrix, it's useful.
Six Souls twenty ten.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
That's the Julian Moore movie, right, you got it?

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Yeah, I Myers Jeffrey de Moon.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
I watched that, I think in twenty eleven. I remember
it being.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Not married. It's not very good. I watched it on
TV and it felt like, yeah, this is a dude.
It's weird that it's twenty ten, Like it just seems
like by then we're I feel like maybe it was
made like five years earlier and was on a shelf
somewhere that yeah, because it's like a serial killer that's
jumping bodies. Uh, there's terrible psychology being used in places.

(01:19:23):
It's not good, but it's weird. Yeah, it's pretty weird.
So for that reason it was worth watching. But like
it's not actually entertaining.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
So yeah, I think I watched it hoping, hoping that
it might be something else, but it, yeah, wasn't because
like Julian Moore, she was in that movie The Forgotten, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
What it feels like like, which is also like a
weird thriller. And then all of a sudden spoiler alert, Aliens, Aliens.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
I will never say a bad word about that movie. Yeah,
but like I wanted it. I think I wanted this
The Soul's One to be like fun. Yeah, oh okay,
so here's another movie that this is totally tangential, but
I wanted to bring it up. A movie that reminded
me of that movie when I watched it, Yes, twenty
twelve's Red Lights, which is a Robert de Niro Sigourney

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Weaver movie.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Oh, I haven't seen this, but it also comes up
sometimes unlist and I'm like, wait, what is this movie
I've never heard of? Yeah, it just felt like what
year is this?

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
And again, I haven't seen Red Lights probably since twenty thirteen,
but like I remember watching it feeling like what what
is this? And similar to that Six Souls, like are the.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
People in this?

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Shouldn't be the people cast in it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Right? Like Killian Murphy? Oh baby, Elizabeth Olson's in that?

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Like, and I say that Six Soles or whatever it's
called had a bit of that too, Like is this
like a an episode of a procedural that they I
don't get it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Yeah, like somebody owed a favor to somebody who once
wrote an episode of Law and Order. Something strange happening there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
It's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Yeah, agreed, weird? Okay, I gotta look at for both
of those, all right. On Hulu, I watched a movie
that's a really great idea and was okay but just
probably not did not have the power behind it to
be as good as it could have been. Mister Crockett,
is that this one go by?

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
That sounds familiar? I don't know if I know what
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
It's the it's on Hulu. It is a sort of
like mister Rogers type evil thing happening where a woman
it the biggest like the first part problem this movie.
I didn't realize until the end that it was set
in the eighties, because it does not have the projector
like the budget to be the eighties, but it's I

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guess the eighties where like a woman who's like just
at the end of her rope. She's got a son
who's really hard to control. So she like one day,
just in her mailbox is a like HS cassette for
this like mister Rogers type show, So she puts it
on and then her son goes missing and she realizes
it's like the mister Rogers character has like sucked her
son into this kind of like hell world. It's a

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great process.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Is TV glow? It's it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Uh, it's no, it's uh. It's like the Happy Meal
version of TV glow. Maybe, Oh, that's so sad.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
I'm looking at it right now and I AMDB and
I'm like, ma'am, I hear everything you're saying to me,
but I don't want to believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I want to say it is kind of it's like
a soft recommend because it's not bad by any means,
and even like there's a performance that you're like you're
kind of like squinting out the whole time and then
you realize like, oh no, that's even deliberate. Okay, that's
there for a reason. The lead, the mister Crockett, is great.
I think. I just think this movie is one of

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those like it was probably a short film that first
time filmmaker I think then like was able to make
into a movie. And it's enjoyable. It's a great idea,
some good things going on. It just you can tell
it like you're like, this doesn't quite get where it
needs to get, but it's it's it's a fine watch
if you want something different.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Yeah, it looks interesting that a lot of those Hulu
movies have always kind of fell in that, like this
looks interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Okay, okay, execution needs something, but yeah, one could do worse.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
You got anything else?

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
I got a bunch more. Yeah, keep going, hit it,
hit it all right, Let's see. I can't remember if
I mentioned on Netflix It's What's Inside the Body Swap movie.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Oh yeah, I liked that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
It's great. Yeah, it was really fun, Like I laughed
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Probably one of my uh more enjoyed ones of the year.
If we're going twenty twenty four movies, I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Would agree, Yeah, it moved well, I agree, and it
was funny too, very funny, very funny, very good cast
on Netflix. I did not enjoy the Platform two SEQL
to the Platform.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Oh, I want to to ask you about that, because
you're one of the only people I know that actually
that like watched the Platform. I still have not seen that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Yeah, you talked about it and you reference it occasionally,
and I know that about you and the And then
I heard there was another one, and I was like, huh, okay, yeah,
this is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Kind of the second one. It's no it it it's
essentially I won't say it's the same movie because it
does do something politically different where it's kind of like
if the first film is about capitalism, the second film
is kind of about communism not working. So I mean
there's that, but it also very quickly just it's It's

(01:24:39):
funny because I watched the second season of Squid Game,
and I thought what was very interesting about that experience
of squid Game two was overall, it's good and if
you liked season one, like yes, watch season two. But
the problem was it takes a little long to get
to the games, and like you're sitting there thinking like
this is what I want, and then you at the

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games and you're like, wait, but I don't just want that,
and then the show is like, oh, we know you
don't just want that, but so we'll give you other things,
and then you run out of time and then suddenly
you realize it was half a season. That's a separate issue,
but that's kind of what I think about The Platform too,
where it's like, oh, the thrill of this movie, the
thing you'd recommend about, the thing like you'd remember about
it was the concept being this bonker's prison where you

(01:25:23):
are wait, like you're Once a day you get fed
by a platform that moves down and you eat what's there,
and either you are selfish and eat everything, or you
establish some kind of community with people around you and
that everybody and people don't starve. So that whole thing
of like what that means. It means people will start
killing each other for food, people will start, you know,

(01:25:44):
hoarding things. Like that's the thing you remember, even though
that movie is also playing on other exploring different things.
So like the Platform two comes out and you're like, Okay,
what are they gonna do? And you can tell very
quickly that this movie is done with the food thing, like,
that's not interesting to the filmmaker. Huh, So they're doing
like instead, it's like, okay, it's all about the people
establishing a thing. You're like, yeah, but that's not that interesting.

(01:26:07):
Give me the like in the end of the day,
I came here because you have a weird hook that
I'd like to see used interestingly. And the hook kind
of becomes the least interesting thing to the filmmakers, so
it kind of goes away. Not that it goes away,
but it I don't know, you're just watching this thinking, like,
if you wanted to write an essay about like economics

(01:26:30):
and people, maybe you didn't need to make a movie.
I don't know, so it didn't really work for me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
It's where this all lands interesting. Yeah, I could see
if that's one of the more compelling angles when it's removed,
kind of being left a little cold, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
One that I know you really liked, and I was
there for it for a while and then I kind
of fell off of it. Now I don't remember enough
about it, but it was Cobweb.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Oh yeah, I need to rewatch that. I My mom
just watched it and she's like, that movie's weird. And yeah,
I need to look at it again. I think at
the end you felt like it had kind of not
worked though they had.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Me for a while and there were things there's you know,
good production design, good decisions, great cast. I was there
for it, and then it was one of those things
where I think like once the once you understood the thing,
it became a much less interesting movie because then it
was a movie that I had seen before.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
I could see that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Yeah, and even like the things that kind of had
like there are bullies in this movie that feel very like, oh,
we're throwing in Stephen King bullieves in a way that
really doesn't make sense here.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
So I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
I feel like maybe it just didn't as a full
length movie. Wasn't all there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
I can see that. I think it was for me
very very much about the vibes.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
And the it's a good Halloween movie too, Like there's
some great stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Yeah, it sets a nice table, I think, and and
I and and the performances are good, agreed. Cleopatrick Coleman
I think is her name. She was in Last Man
on Earth that show. I like her a lot. I
think she's really charming. So like I think, maybe you
have to kind of be set up to be really

(01:28:26):
and I remember when it ended thinking like, oh, this
is a great October movie. Yeah, so I think maybe
I had already pre categorized there, not like this is
a great horror movie to rewatch in May, Like I
think it has its place.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Yeah I could see that. Yeah, I could see. I
have one another like very Halloween movie that I had
not seen before. Uh it is I think it was
either a Canopy or Hoopla watch. And it's a horror comedy,
very funny, very cheap. This movie had to be made
maid for nine dollars maybe in like two thousand and

(01:29:04):
twelve money. This is I'm trying to remember the name
of the Oh oh, yes, it's Jeremy Solnier's Murder Party.
All right, have you seen this?

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Maybe I'm I gotta okay.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Even earlier so Jeremy Solnier. Solnier who did Rebel Ridge
and Green Room and some very very good genre movies.
This was I don't I'm guessing this was his first film.
It is very cheap. It is a guy's like invited
to a Halloween party and he shows up and it's
in this like artist loft, and there's a bunch of
insufferable artists, including Macon Blair, who's always in Jeremy Solniye properties,

(01:29:42):
and he realizedes quickly that like, oh no, they've invited
him there to kill him. Only they are insufferable Brooklyn
artists and they are not very good at this. And
it is just like a ninety minute It goes very zany,
it's very gory. It's I feel like if you turned
it on like and walked in a room, you kind

(01:30:04):
of like flinch because there's a lot of slurs that
we don't necessarily use now, but also it makes sense
that these characters would use them because they're assholes. I
thought based on like when I first started, I'm like, oh,
is this going to be something that I'm going to
be like this is annoying and not for me and
feels not No, this is it's very funny. If you

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find making fun of hipster is funny, this is a
good time.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
So I have not seen it. I am aware of it.
I think I maybe have watched the trailer for it,
but I was a little, you know, perhaps put off
by the budget. But hearing that there's maybe more to
it and that won't be an issue I'm meant to it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
You have to. I mean you go in accepting the
budget and looking past that of it. Yeah, but I mean,
like the actors are fun and most of them, like
most of them don't have pictures in IMBB, but they
are pretty good. So yeah, I recommend it. It was
a surprising good time if you when you were in,
because I am also not always in the mood to
kind of like let my defenses down for a movie

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that is made for no money. This is one that
you go in with like, Okay, I'm gonna watch something cheap,
and I think you will walk out having a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Okay, sorry adding it to a.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
List, Unlike a couple of other very low bunche in
movies I watched that I could not say that about.
On Amazon Prime, there is a movie called six forty
five and it's a groundhog Day type movie, which I
always eve a chance to. I feel like it's always
a fun concept, you can do cool things. And it's
a young couple who show up go to this like
seaside cabin or hotel in New England in the winter,

(01:31:41):
and you know they're having a little date and they
wake up every day at six forty five, and at
some point during the day a guy comes and kills them,
and the boyfriend in the scenario realizes this and the
girlfriend does not, and so every day he's like trying
to avoid it and trying to figure out ways for
them not to get murdered. But he's really bad at it,
and also he's awful. It's just one of those movies

(01:32:04):
that you're like, why are we making a movie about
a guy that I don't want to watch? Do anything?
It's it's not good. It's not a recommend. The actresses
is good, she deserves better. The character certainly deserves better,
but it's I don't know, if you're a complete ast
on Groundhog Day movies, you still don't have to watch

(01:32:25):
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
I get the Sirens song though of it, because even
a bad like time Loop or Repeating Day can be
good something.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Yeah, even even this one, like the time Loop aspect,
isn't even that good. So another low budget movie on shutter,
The Christmas Spirit Okay Canadian, very Canadian A. It's like,
as a kid, this boy's sister dies in a Christmas

(01:32:57):
lights accident, and when that happens, sort of like goes
untaps an imaginary friend who is a masked wrestler, but
who dresses like in a Christmas robe. And twenty years later,
this guy's still there, He still has his imaginary friend.
Is he schizophrenic or is this really like a spirit
trying to direct him somehow? I can appreciate that this

(01:33:21):
movie was like clearly made on a very low budget,
and there's aspects of it that are good. The actress
is really good in it, there's moments that are funny.
This movie, though, suffers from I'm sorry, are we actually
making a movie about mental illness? Or are we making
a movie about like a zany Christmas wrestler thing? And
I don't know that the movie has made up its mind,
so therefore it makes it kind of uncomfortable to watch.

(01:33:43):
So not a recommend.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Okay, yeah it didn't. You had a little U grouping
of maybe not so impressive films. I did.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Yeah, I mean, I you know, you know me, I'd
like to I spread it around, you know, one day,
I'll I'll watch you know, go spend money to watch
Wicked and then have to get angry at the fact
that my theater requires a QR code to check on
your The arrival of your water, and then another day
I will watch Snowmageddon on Amazon Prime, which, yes, is

(01:34:18):
a movie about a snow globe that seems to be
causing destruction in an Alaskan town on Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Dop it hold on them.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Yeah, it's got the chick from the faculty, the southern one.
Oh yeah, okay, yeah, she's very good in it, Like
this is a movie where the actors are all like
doing their best in this sci fi I believe it's
a sci fi original. It feels like one. I think
it's asylum. I can't remember, not nearly as any as

(01:34:47):
you'd like it to be for a movie about a
snow globe destroying the world.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
I mean, if you're going to do something that absurd,
you really need to lean into it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
I agreed, agreed. Yeah, I've got three more in total?
What you've got?

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
I guess I could mention the movie that I watched
called Who Were Wolves?

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Who Were Wolves? I believe you meant to say wolves.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Or Frank grillare Wolf?

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Tell me about this movie. I've never I have only
seen people posting the poster on Facebook. I have not
actually seen a trailer for this movie. Not for me. Okay,
should have known going in.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
Not for me. Uh my kind review of it is
Purged with were wolves. Oh, It's like it's like they,
you know how the Purge is like, Okay, everybody, there's
a night and you get to go Purge, Go Purge.
This is kind of like, hey, everybody, there's a night
and it's gonna wear wolf or like stay inside to

(01:35:49):
protect from the were wolf, or you're gonna get were wolf.
And I think it's like everybody is potentially were wolf
afied if you let the moonlight touch you at all,
so like it could be a were wolf. I guess
I don't know. I mean that sounds good and all.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
I'd be more interested in like the day after the
werewolf ing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Yeah, I mean that was so this actually I think
was like the second time that had happened, so I
will see. The most interesting stuff is when they allude
to the last time. Yeah, like people that turned into
a were wolf last time. That was interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
But like that's like you mentioned the Purge. Many people
don't know that there were two seasons of a Purge
TV show that was very that were very good, and
the second season was entirely the year between the Purge.
It's like The opening of the premiere was like, the
Purge has just ended. Here's where a couple of people

(01:36:49):
were at the end of the Purge, and now this
is about the year in between, and how like this
guy who almost died is trying to figure out who
tried to kill him. And this guy because he did
a bank robbery but like technically was still in the
bank when the Purge, bell rang is guilty, so he's
getting he's got to go into like the Purge camp
of prisoners. Like and it was a great idea because you're, oh, yeah, right,

(01:37:12):
there's things. This is the society that this franchise has
created that I want to know the world. And that's
something about a werewolf movie just sounds like I would
like to see, Well, who's going around and scooping up
all that were wolf poop?

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Well, I think that's that's interesting. I think that's one
of the issues. It is kind of the scope because
if you recall the first Purge movie right, very tiny.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Yes it's a single, it's a home invasion, and that's
this felt.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Like it wanted to take on the whole universe.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
So it was a Purge anarchy, it was Werewolf's anarchy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Thank you. Zach said, this is like the whatever number
Purge rather than whatever number Purge movie, and I was like, yeah,
I feel that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
That pitch though, I would get hooked on that pitch.
It's like the Perge, but where Wolves I would be like, yes,
here's some money, please deliver this to me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
And it's funny because I have defended the First Purge
since it came out, because people were kept saying, what
a great idea, why would you just make this movie
out of it? And very simply it was like, well,
because you need to establish it, and you don't have
time in one movie to tell like to do that.
So this, Yes, the First Purge is by far the

(01:38:26):
least interesting Purge. Yeah, but it's necessary to set up,
like here's the scenario. Here's a tight horror movie about it. Okay,
you wanted more, great, we'll give you more going forward,
but first we just had to give you the preview
of what it actually was. And maybe that's what were
Wolves needed to do too.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Maybe. I mean, if you're curious, I say, go for it,
but yeah, I'm mildly so, but I'm also you know me,
I'm not a big wearwolf fan in general, So my
least interesting monster of any monster in movies.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
I think that might be part of it too, you know.
I know sometimes going and maybe this isn't for me,
and then I fell in it with this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
So I have one that I historically have always liked
less than many of our brethren in the film community,
and I really wanted to rewatch it because I'm like,
you know what this was. I think around, like again,
we're going back a bit. This was a round, spooky season,
and we keep remembering that we have a Criterion subscription
that we need to use, and they have a deep

(01:39:24):
John Carpenter collection. And I said, was talking to Brannon,
and we realized, like it's been for me probably twenty
plus years since I watched The Fog, and like, you
know what, let's sit down and watch the Flet's talze
that and watch The Fog.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
And we do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
And for those first oh god, the first like ten minutes,
I'm like, yeah, everybody is right, this is one of
the best movies of a decade. And then I keep watching.
In the movie ends, I'm like, I really wish this
was a more complete movie. It there's so much this
movie could be so good and it's okay to me.

(01:40:02):
How do you feel about the fog?

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
It is? While it is not my favorite John Carpenter
by any means, and while it is not my favorite
of this time period of John Carpenter, it holds a
special place in my heart when it's I mean the
ocean stuff. When it's good, it's great. But it it's

(01:40:25):
no Prince of Darkness, and I don't feel like any
of us talk about Prince of Darkness enough. So it's
kind of like, I don't know it's good, but I
can show you four other better John Carpenter movies that
were just not talking about. Yeah, but but I do
like it, and obviously like the themes of like colonialism
and like like theft and stealing people's stuff, and it

(01:40:49):
coming back Home to Roost is very stirring and very Carpentry.
And Adrian Barbo is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
So to your point, if there had not any Jamie
Lee Curtis tom Atkins stuff, and it had been all
the Stevie Wayne stuff, it had been all Adrian, I
think this would be a top movie for me, like
maybe my favorite John Carpenter movie. But there's not. There's
other stuff happening that for me slows it down.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Yeah, it watching it because I could not remember enough
about it. So the you know, the first like ten
minutes or so where it is like the one night
in my brain, I'm like, oh this is it gets
you so quickly it dives in and in my and
I started thinking this like, oh right, this is like
a one night movie. And then it's not, and then
it's so much other things happening, like but can't we

(01:41:37):
just get back to that night and can't it just
be this one night of horror? And it Yeah, the
story feels confusing, like it doesn't really like all line up,
and it's it's a shame because I feel like there
is a I know, I don't I can't remember if
I saw the remake or not. I know it was terrible,
but this is a movie that like, oh no, you

(01:41:57):
like give me, Like I don't know, I don't really
want that. But there's a part of me that's like
give me Robert Egger's The Fog, Like there is a
world where you could take the script and dive into
those elements that you mentioned and bring them out more right,
because they're like the fundamental horror of these people that
were wronged, Like it doesn't even really land that well

(01:42:20):
because so many other things are happening, and I think
you could you can exploit that more and have a
great movie. And I just don't think this is a
great movie. I think it's a good movie. I think
it's effective, it's fun, but it frustrates me with how
good it could have been.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
No, totally. I don't usually look at like movies from
that time period or from like people like John Carpenter
with that kind of thinking of like this could have
been great, but it absolutely could have. I I know
people who it's their favorite Carpenter and I just don't
quite feel that I can't get there.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
I'm not saying quite sure. Yeah, and I was hoping
I could. I'm like, I'm gonna give it another chance.
And it's and I love when I revisit something and
feel completely differently. And I also there's an interesting, I
think feeling to get when you revisit something that you
were a lifetime ago when you watched it. And I
know I was probably in my early twenties of even
that it has been two decades. I have lived lives,

(01:43:17):
I have you know, I have a husband, I have
a you know, all these different things that have happened
in life since then, and I watched it. I'm like,
I'm pretty sure I had the exact same feeling when
I first watched this.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Yeah, we'll see. You are right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
I know it's sometimes trusted her instincts. We were at
stupid at twenty. We did pair it with I don't
think with that intentionally, but it happened, and I'm happy
it did. I finally watched a movie I believe you're
a big fan of. Also John Carpenter, also Adrian Barbo
on Criterion. Someone's watching me, Oh that movie is one

(01:43:53):
of the This is one of Garpenter's best movies.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
I really agree, loved it. It's so good, right, So yeah,
I'm so glad it was on Criterion because when I
saw it, I think I had to get it from
the library. It was like not easy to find. For
a second.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
It's such one of those movies that you're watching you're like, oh, right,
this used to be and there's no equivalent because today,
you like, we don't have TV the same way, so
we don't have TV movies, but you do have lifetime.
You have networks that make movies and it feels a
little bit watching this trying to think of it as
it's kind of as if this like you had a

(01:44:33):
lifetime movie that was just really good. But it's so good.
Lauren bacall In, this is so sexy and cool. And
when she goes to a bar and gets hit on
by a guy and is like nope, and then instead
walks over to another guy and sits down and just
starts hitting on him, You're like, yeah, this is fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Yeah. John Carpenter was a was a great guy or
is a great guy, but he was when he was
making those style of movies, the earlier seventies eighties movies.
I feel like he was really fucking saying something.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Agreed, agreed.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Oh, I love him so much?

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
And I had one more? You have any more? Nah?
All right? My last one was also Criterion. This was
a recent watch a movie I had weirdly never heard of,
even though I'd love a good apocalyptic or nuclear bomb
or killer insect type movie.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
No, I'm scared, Emily, Well, this.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Is nineteen sixty eight genocide from Japan.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Okay, I'm gonna go look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
Yeah, take a look at it. It's odd, it is
there are Americans flying an h bomb through Japan and
they should not be doing such things, and they crash
because one of the dudes has like a freak out.
And then there are like wasps that are being unleashed
on this island and other things are happening. You find

(01:45:56):
out that people have been kind of maybe juicing up
these wasps to help bring about destruction. Close ups of wasps,
shots of people just screaming and flailing their arms as
if they are being attacked by wasps. Okay, yeah, and
it is has a kind of shockingly bleak ending. I

(01:46:17):
not the best, but it felt like a very not
a I guess I'm not. You know, I've seen a
lot of Japanese genre films this era, like this is
sixty eight. I'm like, oh, I need to dive deeper here,
because this feels like a movie that is you know,
you have like the Godzilla, which I mean the first Godzilla,
where it's very it is it is a dressing fallout

(01:46:43):
and everything that has happened in a dark way, but
that very quickly turns a little bit more kind of commercial,
and this feels like a more kind of angry movie.
And I'm intrigued to kind of explore that era more interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Yeah, yeah, it looks like kind of upsetting honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
Yeah. I mean again, it's not great, but it is
just something I had not really seen storytelling wise of
a certain time and place. So for that, all right,
So that's everything. You've got, nothing more at all?

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
Secret music, No, I will say I because I don't
know how to feel on it. Did you watch In
a Violent Nature?

Speaker 6 (01:47:25):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
We actually went to the theater to see it because
we came home from work and discovered our air conditioning
was broken and would not be fixed until like later
that night, so we went out to the movies because
it was very hot, and so I saw in the theater,
which was a good way to see it, because I
think that kind of put you. I mean I forgot, like, no,

(01:47:46):
it's kind of like does what Nickel Boys does where
it's putting you in the perspective of character. Yeah, what
did you think?

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
Overall? I preface this by saying, like, I respect this
film and what it was doing a lot. Overall, I didn't.
I had too much of a hard time with certain
parts of it to justify really digging into the parts
that I thought were quite frankly exquisitely done.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
So what for you really worked? What was that that
those the really long.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
Periods where we were just following the dude around, it
was like a like a like a nature hike. It
was like a trippy, wrong nature hike. And I really
liked it when it did feel like, this is what
he's doing when we're setting up the tent, or this
is what he's doing while we're trying to find the

(01:48:43):
keys to the hummer or something like. I really sometimes
it really felt like it it got in there and
like dug out all of those things we don't ever
see or talk about in like a slasher. But then
other times it was just like, ah, right, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
I feel like I understand. The thing that people talked
about most were like the two incredibly over the top
violent sequences of like the yoga pos and the like
I don't know, the big buzz saw whatever you call that.
I like, on one hand, I can't argue with a
film for putting sequences like that in when that is

(01:49:19):
what the reason a lot of people went to see
this movie and talked about it. On the other like,
those are the things that I especially weirdly enough watching it,
the the sawing scene goes on forever and is like
I'm like, okay, I get it, I get it. But
also I think it made sense to sit there watching
it because that was what is happening, Like, this is

(01:49:41):
what the character does. He just does it. It doesn't
matter that the man he's doing it too can't feel
anything and is paralyzed. He does it because he has to,
and you're sitting here. In that perspective, it made sense,
whereas the yoga thing was just like so silly and
felt like it didn't belong in that scene.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Movie. In some ways, no, I agree, it felt a
little uh.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
Like that's a terrifier thing, not a like gus Man's
hant as a horror movie thing that I think this
movie was going for.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
There was sometimes it was like ooh, baby, do I
just want a weird viby thing where it felt like
like a like the Killer and the burning was just
walking through the woods or something. Oh wow that that
hit And then it was like, oh, suddenly, this isn't
a movie that I would choose to watch. Okay, it

(01:50:33):
felt like I wish Zach said something about like, oh
I wish they had uh made it visually try to
look more like a throwbacky slasher, like more of a
vintage air quote slasher. And I thought, like, oh, some
like treatment.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
On the film or some yeah, like clouded up a bit,
give it a greeniness like it like agree, yeah, like
a dirtiness to it would have like would have would
have helped push that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
But then those kills were you're right, just very slick
and very like terrifiery.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
Yeah. And I understand not making like the victims and
the you know, the kids that you know interesting or dynamic,
but it also when you said that about oh if
but if they were wearing I don't know, like a
if they were dressed like characters like like Kevin Bacon
in front of the thirteenth Part one, that would have also,

(01:51:25):
I think added to the charm of it a bit.
It would have brought you in a bit more like
feeling very very empty. I don't care if any of
these people die, because none of them have given me
a reason to want them to live. But also like
if they were at least had style or personality, it
would have worked better.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
So I do think there is something there of if
you are on the other side, of the killing that
maybe making these people more empathetic and likable would have
been good because we would have been forced to murder
them people that we liked with the with our murderous protagonist,
it could have been more like dynamic and interesting. I guess, yeah, yeah,

(01:52:02):
it's a great idea, but you thought, Yeah, I wanted
to talk to somebody about it. And I because like
it's there.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
Right, it's like so close, yeah, and I'm it's you know,
and I think I probably say this about a lot
of movies, like I'm really happy this movie existed. I'm
really happy it came out in theaters. I'm happy for
the conversation it'sparked. I just wish it was like it's
like snotty to say, like, I wish it was a
better movie, but I I wish it was a little
more interesting than the end product ultimately was I agree,

(01:52:32):
What can you do? We like movies. We watch a
lot of true some of them are good, some of
them are very good. Some of them we have, you know,
we who have never made movies have a lot of
thoughts on how they could make them better. That's that's
what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
Yeah, and that's the fun thing about art. There's a
ton of it, and there's something for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Indeed, indeed, what a beautiful sentiment to end on. Having
said all that, we'll be back soon with very exciting
stuff that we will announce, but I guess we'll wait
to announce it. Yeah, we're just going to keep you
all hanging thinking like, what are they gonna do?

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
It'll be good, it'll be good.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
They're going to watch Snowmageddon Part two?

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
Perhaps, yes, yes, no, that's not it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
Only in a perfect world, all right. Well, Having said
all that, people can read Christine stuff and buy her
books at Christine Maakebece dot com and Christine make Peace
on Amazon.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Right, Yeah, I'm around if you search my name.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
Yeah, we are both on Blue Sky and you probably
understand it better than I do. I'm frustrated by it,
but I'm a blue Sky at Deadly Dolls.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
You are there at I think it's just Extine make peace.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Extine, No, just the letter x T I N E
make peace yep, yep. And then we're still on Facebook
at the Feminine Critique. So those are the places we
know to go and do stuff. Join us if you'd like,
or just listen and never talk to us, and we'll
just believe that out there you are wandering through the
woods with a little well ear butt in as you

(01:54:01):
hike up mountains and do very needlessly complicated murderers. Yeah,
that's how I like to picture all of our listeners,
definitely with big burloup sacks on their heads.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Yeah, murdering.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
It helps keep this way. If you lose your earbud
like you know you lost it in the burl up sack.
Smart Yeah indeed. Okay, all right, bye everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
Happy New Year, goodbye.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Saw a monster in the mirror when I woke up
to day monster in my mirror. But I did not
run anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
I did not show that year or I need my
bad do.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
The monster looked at me.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
This is what he said.

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
He said, wampa wo whoo woo woo. And I do
need he sang, so I sang it to, oh, don't
not laugh at me, or I will bombas he can
not laugh at me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
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