181. The Last Skype Catchup

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Speaker 1 (00:49):
Welcome all to what might be the last official recording
on Skype. It's the feminine critique.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm Emily, I'm Christine, and it's the end of an era.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
It really is. We have jokingly said, like we are
living in two thousand and eight and have been since,
you know, two thousand and eight, But we yeah, like
I think you and I both kind of started in
the Like movie talking about world when Skype was the
way people connected everybody, many of everybody moved over to

(01:25):
Zoom and other platforms as those kind of got more handy,
But I just always use Skype because it never failed
me once. It could be annoying, it would make you
update eight times and not actually do anything different in
an update, but every recording I have done, with the
exception of an episode or two recently, I have used
Skype via with call recorder was the platform I used

(01:47):
to record, and then I put it all in the
garage band. Never once, and I say this knowing this
episode is going to get lost, Never once did I
lose recording episode.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean that in and of itself is quite accomplishing.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah. Yeah, And guys like I'm not good at this,
Like I don't have technical skills. I just look at
some Internet videos and occasionally throw a question out on
Twitter and people would answer, and that's how it did it.
So it really did work for someone like me for
a long time. So we are sad we are not
ending the podcast. We are just gonna have to move
over to Zoom or something like that. But yeah, it's

(02:20):
a sad time.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I think, you know, I think that's this is a
good time to say. Actually, I do want to end
the podcast because with Skype was our secret third actually
this has been Skype talking the whole time there.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, Christ, yeah, there's no Emily is this ai? Obviously
that's why it's so great and clean and human obviously,
how can it not be.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, we will we will continue though, Ye yes, we
will find a way to still talk about such you know,
important pieces of cinema, as I'm.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Sure you and I have on our list. This week,
I was just.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Looking at an entry of something I watched. It is
definitely cinema.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Fact, that's it, all right. So we've got a mix
of things. It's always a lot of horror and then
some other things. Because the Oscars happened, so I was
trying to cram in and watch all the Oscar movies.
I did not get to all of them. I did,
and the last couple of years I've tried really hard
to watch all ten Best Picture nominees. This year I
got eight out of ten, so I did not get
to see a complete unknown or it was, and I

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had to work hard for it. I did a lot
of planning and like looking at a calendar and leaning
back and saying, if I don't see the brutalist on
this day, I will never see the brutalist So the
two I missed were I'm Still here at the Brazilian
film and a complete unnn the Bob Dylan film. But yeah,
so I got all the other aiden and you know what,
the brutalist I was shocked. It's great.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah yeah, speaking of yeah, I don't doubt that it is,
but they did. They used AI for the previous, right,
isn't that?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
So they used the what I am understanding, the AI
was used in two ways. One, it was used for
some accent cleanup because Adrian Brodi implicity Jones are not
native Hungarian speakers and they're speaking in Hungarian and so
it was used to just do what sounds like what
normally would be done by editing.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
And then there were some visuals which it is I
I am torn because it is ironic that like a
movie about very much like vision would use AI for vision.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well, that's exactly what Megalopolis did, which is all about
building the future in a man with a incomprehensible vision.
And then it was like, how may I do that?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yes, and there isn't an aspect of the brutalist that
also I can like lean back and look at the
other side of it and say, well, but the point,
like I don't want to get something away, but the
point of that movie very much is like the destination,
Like the journey is to get to the destination. So
to get to this piece of work that is the

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main goal. So whatever you have to do there to
get to it is part of that process. So there's
I don't know, like it was. I went to see
the movie, and as I was coming home, I think
as like the first thing I did was pull up
my phone to start looking because I loved it. I
really was shocked by how much I loved it. And
the first thing I saw I was like brutalist in

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AI controversy. I'm like, oh, motherfucker, come on, can I
have anything nice? So it's not as like awful as
I think we've seen in some cases, but it still
was always like a chip on the shoulder of a
movie that otherwise is genuinely brilliant.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I think that's everybody's individual kind of thing to figure out, too,
Like there is an argument to be made about people
trying to figure out how to use an emerging technology
and people viewing it like no different than they did
early CG.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Or sound to even or color. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
View it that way, so I don't fully relate to
that impulse, but like, at a point, I can't be
angry at the average person for being like, well, they're
just using a tool, but anybody would should.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Use it for me very much watching that movie, which
I mean it's a three and a half hour movie
that it looks it is long, and it is a
stunning It is a stunning experience. The music is amazing,
the visuals are gorgeous and like jaw dropping, and the
first thing I thought after seeing that was, how the
fuck did they do this in ten million dollars? And
I mean, now you know, like and it's it is

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a dangerous thing, like I am as I really do
think of the movies. For me, it was the best
film of the year. But also I don't feel great
saying that, knowing if in five years suddenly a lot
of editors are out of jobs because of this kind
of thing, Like I'm not going to forgive the brutalist,
you know. So it's it's that kind of fuzzy of

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nothing can never be as fulfilling as you want it
to be. Yeah, well it well do you I.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Didn't watch any Oscar movies, and that's that's a guarantee.
So I don't even know what they are again guarantee.
Do you have any others? I know that you've you
talked about some of them the last time we talked.
Do you have any others?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
A few more than I did end up watching. So
I watched Dune Part two, Dune Part two fucking great,
another another one I because I didn't love Dune. I
thought Dune was fine. I had read the book kind
of as I was watching it, so I at least
could understand stuff. And I just felt, I'm like that
this is this is as good as you're gonna make
a do movie, Like it looks great, it's well cast,

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the decisions are great, that the score of Dune is incredible,
and I've been hearing it figure skating all week. But
Doune too, I had heard better things about. I'm like,
all right, well it's nominated, let me watch it. And
I just I was shocked by how entertained I was.
It It just now that you have like the old
established and that part of Dune moves better like even

(08:03):
the book. The first half of Dune is just set
up an explanation and then you get to the actual story.
So Dune two is a better kind of property anyway,
but I was glued. I watched it, and I thought
I am seeing the third one in the theater because
I watched this one at home. This was a movie
that I really felt like, Oh, this is a movie
with a capitol m like, this is why we have theaters,

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and it's gorgeous and I'm into it and yep, so
I love Dune June. I was apprised.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, I liked the first one more than I expected to.
And I just haven't watched the second one. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I think you will really dig it eventually, I will,
and I'll probably like, yeah, I did watch Best Picture
Winner Anora Ah.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I have so many fucking opinions about a bunch of movies.
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh, how did you not say I want you to
see this because I really want to know your opinions
on this movie.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I I we all have our own rules. That's just
the way I'm going to start every conversation. I have
trouble with sex workers stories. I have trouble when they're
not told by sex workers. I have trouble when they're

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not I have trouble when they're told by somebody who
maybe I've had trouble with their vision in the past,
and I've heard different ends of the spectrum. So like
people have said, this is completely innocuous and fine and
there's no stuff in it that would make you bristle Christine,

(09:39):
and I've been like, rad, that's cool, I love your opinion.
But I've also heard that there is a lot of
physical violence against people in this that perpetuate the feelings
of violence against sex workers. And I've also been told
that I'm wrong and that's not in the movie. So
one would say, Christine, just watched the movie. But I've

(09:59):
now determined and that there's so many wildly differing interpretations
of this thing that I don't even want to touch it.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Like all I because I don't remember acts of violence
that would feel acts of violence towards sex workers. There's
the violence is not in any way. There's no sexual
violence in the movie. And where there is violence, it
is not aimed at women. It's very much a I mean,

(10:28):
it's it's almost farcical and how it's sort of like
if they're if people are talking about what I'm thinking
it is not does not feel like it is a
in any way about sex work. Tying that together, I
think it is more there are more conversations or thoughts
in there about how people look at sex workers, certainly,

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but even that aspect of it I think is very
much kind of like filtered through a particular point of
view and type of character that doesn't feel like it's
society or anything like that. So I don't know. I
liked it, it was fine. I didn't have huge feelings

(11:13):
one way or another. I think Mikey Madison is fantastic
in it. I wondered watching it. I'm like, I don't,
I don't know. I feel that way often when if
I watch a movie involving sex work where I don't know,
sometimes I can tell this is fucked up, and sometimes
I'm like, I think this is a really positive, uh,
you know, way of looking at it. With this one,

(11:33):
I really don't know, so I wouldn't. I'm like not
to be the voice to be like, you gotta see
it for yourself, but I think in this case, like
I don't think it's and like not like it's fair
to the movie. You don't need to be fair of
this movie. One like seven Oscars you're okay, but I
do think it's hard, Like the only way you're gonna
come up with anything is to actually watch it and

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decide where you fall.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
But yeah, and I forgot as as you were talking about,
I feel like I did kind of land on the Okay. Well,
I guess I need to actually see this to really determine.
But there is, in my opinion, of a very credible
recounting of this man stealing this story from a sex

(12:16):
worker who was trying to make a series similar to this. Yeah. So,
and it didn't make any news. Why would it, because
we don't listen to sex workers ever. But to me,
I've looked into it and it felt very credible. The
things that this person brought up, and the visuals that
they were able to show to compare, and the fact
that that Sean Baker did email with them and had

(12:38):
actually seen it. So it felt like he maybe decided
to take this dirty, gross sex worker story and turn
it into a real Hollywood movie. That's me editorializing. I'm editorializing,
but it's hard to not feel that way when it's like, well,
then why didn't you help these people already telling that

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story tell the story. Why did you take it from them,
it makes you feel like they're makes me feel like
you think they're not capable of doing it themselves, which
makes me feel negatively about him. I know people really
like him because he's like a champion of physical media,
and that's rad. Two things can be true at the
same time. He can be a champion of physical media
and I can high five them for it, But I
can also not watch a sex worker movie because I

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think he took it from sex work.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, completely valid. I'll also say at the Oscars he won,
he I think he would like he actually walked away
with the Oscars with four in his hand. He was
the third Oscar when he said, and I also want
to thank my mom. It's her birthday today. I'm sitting
there thinking, like, dude, you were on stage two times before,
there was no guarantee that you were going to keep winning.
You almost forgot to wish happy birthday to your mother me.

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So that for me it was like, dude, you know,
made me question him. But the only other current Oscar
nominated movie, I think that was on the list, and
I'll go over some older ones. I watch this was
nominated for Best Costume, and I watched it on a plane,
as I'm sure Ridley Scott intended. Did you watch Gladiator two?

Speaker 3 (14:05):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I didn't. Oh god, I kind of wish you did.
It's terrible. Oh I was I am watching this thinking like, okay,
what The main thing watching it that bothered me was
realizing did nobody tell Ridley Scott that Spartacus did this
really well for four seasons? And he could have just
watched Spartacus because this is just like Spartacus as a

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TV fourteen and it's it's so the biggest problem with
the movie. And I like him as an actor, I
liked him in other things, but Paul mescal Has does
not have the Gladiator presence to carry this movie. There's
a reason everybody talks about Denzel in this movie because
I mean, it's Denzel Washington. He's great, he's having fun.
But it's also because like if you if you didn't

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have him in this movie, it would be just nothing.
It's just he doesn't have the presence to carry this
movie and make it work. So I'm watching this, I'm
just like, I am shocked by how bored I am
with this.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Oh that's such a bummer feeling. Yeah, the only reason
I would have showed up is because of Donzel, like,
and he's great.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
It also feels like the movie. I am very confused
by the politics of this movie because I guess he's
supposed to be a villain, but you're like watching You're like,
but he's actually no, he should be in charge, shouldn't
he he'd be a better leader than any But like
Paul Mescall wasn't is just the son of somebody important
like Denzel was probably come in here better. So I'm like,
I don't understand what I was watching. I'd understand what

(15:31):
I was supposed to take from it. Again, just watch Spartacus.
There are was it four or five seasons of hot men,
lots more sex, lots more violence, so much better. And
it made me like angry watching this, thinking I guess
he made this because not And if people knew Spartacus was.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Great, that's that's interesting. I feel like it was like
people were talking about it and then everyone stopped, and
I wor, yep, that as like my cue to like,
I wasn't gonna pry prioritize it because I I mean,
I like Gladiator as much as like any person my
age likes Gladiator. It's just always around, ubiquitous, very long,

(16:08):
sometimes awesome to look at killing it so like yeah, sequel, sure,
but like when no one's really repping it past the
first like week or two, it's kind of hard to Yeah,
so it I mean, at at best, it's not memorable. Like, oh,
that seems like a bummer. I'd like to hold my

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memories of Gladiator close.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes there's a reason why a movie doesn't
get the attention after it comes out, and that was
correct here. Yes, the I have like one other set
of Oscar films that were not current, but something I've
wanted to do for a while was I wanted to
do I know, like there are people who are like,
I'm gonna watch every Best Picture nominee or Best Picture winever,

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and I've always wanted to do that with but with
best actress.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Oh that's cute.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, So I'm like trying to do and I thought
this would be so easy, And I even have a
cheat to start it, where I'm like, Okay, i'm gonna
pick a random year, I'm gonna jump around so it
doesn't get too repetitive, and I'm gonna watch like with
like over the course of maybe a month or like
two months, like all the all the Best Actress nominated movies,
and I picked nineteen fifty because I'm like, great, there's
only four because All About Eve has two actual actress nominees,

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and I still haven't gotten to watch all four movies.
So I watched three out of four, which one I
had seen before. But that is the year of All
About Eve, which is the one I have not gotten
to revisit yet. Born Yesterday, Sunset Boulevard and Caged Have
you must have seen Sunset Boulevard.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, it's been it is. It's been a minute though,
Like it was like one of those movies that I
watched when I first when I decided I was gonna
start like really seriously watching movies. Yeah, and now at
this point, like that was like twenty years ago, I
don't even remember.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's one of those movies because we got to see
it on Broadway. There's a revival right now that we
went to and it's fantastic. And Brand has never been
a big fan of some sept Bilevard. He just he
watched it once. He didn't he didn't really like it.
He didn't kind of get it. I guess, or he
didn't kind of didn't get why it is considered what
it is, and so we saw the Broadway production, which

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is really something, and afterwards he said, he's like, I
think I get it now, and I'm like, hey, want
to want to watch the movie because he hadn't seen
it in a while, and watching it, I realized, I'm like,
this is one of those movies I should watch every
like five to ten years because it is so good.
There is so much there, and I think it's it's

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also that you have really kind of four very different
characters who are going through very different things, and you
can kind of watch it from different points of view
each time and get something different. And one of the
things that's so wild is the one of the next
films I watched in this you know, set of four
is Born Yesterday, which is the movie that ended up

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up winning Best Actress. And that is what is her name,
It's jen Jennifer Jones. What's the name? I suddenly can't
think of Judy Holiday, Judy Holiday. So she actually wins
that year Best Actress and it was a huge shock
as you had Betty Davis and Gloria Swanson nominated, but
Borne Yesterday is really fun. She's great in it. She's

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very funny. It's kind of a dumb blonde that isn't
so dumb type role. But the really funny thing is
that William Holden is also in that, playing the complete
opposite of Sunset Bulevard, where he is actually like the good,
open faced, like optimist who wants to change the world,
whereas Sunset Boulevard it's the complete you know, dejected Hollywood

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you know guy in his lestraw so Borne Yesterday was
fun and then the last one was Caged. Have you
ever seen Cage? Do you know anything about this movie?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I don't think I know anything about it.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
It is a nineteen fifty women in prison movie.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Huh, all right, well I'm going I'm going to look.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
At Yeah, it's I did not know this was a thing.
Agnes Warred so in it. Yeah, she's the warden and
this is good. It's a young woman. It kind of
just you know, I think it was very much supposed
to be about the prison system and how terrible it
is and how it's you know, not doing anything to
rehabilitate and instead you come in and go out worse

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than you came in. Gee, you know, glad we fixed
that problem. And it's so it's this like young woman
who's very innocent who comes in and it's the that
actress is the one who's nominated. Uh, and it's it's good.
It's very like it's one of those movies made during
Hayze code. But you could see how they're poking around
the Hayese code a lot. So it's it's worth a

(20:43):
watch relevant now in different ways. It is. You know,
to see prison in nineteen fifty is something.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
So, yeah, it looks interesting. Yeah, that's a fun little project.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I'll keep you updated as I slow think continue to
do it.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I should get motivated to do something like that instead.
Do you want me to talk about all the erotic
thrillers I've been watching?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I do?

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah, that's what I do instead. I don't know if
I have talked yet about the film. Never talked to strangers.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Oh, I think you did. This is the one that
sounded amazing and it's not available anywhere, right?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Is that?

Speaker 6 (21:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Oh? No, okay, I just got very excited because I am.
I think Antonio Banderas might be the sexiest man.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
A lot of this movie is insane. Yeah, is it
on TV?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Maybe? Me where it is because I want it now.
I remember when it came out, because that was the era.
When I was reading it, I was like watching recording
out recordings you couldn't back then. I was watching every
Ciskel and Ebert. I was reading New York News day
Friday morning. I'd get up early to read the reviews.
This nineteen ninety five, Good Good Time.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Good Yes ninety five. It's solid. So it's Rebecca D.
Morney and Antonio Banderas in ninety five it's.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
About it's on too B, it is on too be.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's like, okay, so it's really weird. So her and
Antonio and Banderas just end up getting in this really
like sexually charged toxic relationship make sense, and it's really
interesting and weird, and in some regards it is just
like a standard nineties thriller. But also it's got huge

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dapama energy. It's got a Pino di Naggio score, which
is bananas. So the music is bananas the entire time,
and the sex scenes in it are wild and like
subversive at times, so like, I don't know, it's it's
like an amazing version of what you think of when
you say, like a nineties thriller within it.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yes, yes, okay, I want it. I'm watching it.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
So that's that's that. Do you want me to just
blaze through a couple.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Thrillers?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Okay? So another one that's on TV is perfectly good.
Moment have have I talked about this at all? So
actually it's like a very indie film made by a
woman who I am friends with on the internet. So
but like that's not the reason why I'm saying it's good.

(23:27):
It's this again, subversive. I'm gonna just over use that word.
It's it's an it's like an erotic thriller, a sexually
charged game of cat and mouse where you think you
know what's going on. It's it's from twenty twenty three,
so it's like it takes all the standard kind of

(23:47):
trappings of similar genres and then just does weird shit
with it. Like the end is really satisfying. It's kind
of like like a digital rape revenge movie. Okay, Okay,
So that's on two B two, and that is a
massive recommend because it's a little indie made by passionate

(24:09):
people and it's so fucking good, awesome. I don't want
to talk about.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Disclosure disclosure is Oh man, It's like you watch a
movie like that and you you look and you say,
you know, sometimes movies are bad for people. Like if
you watch that, if you had any worries about like
feminism or women in the workplace, and you watch that movie,

(24:34):
all of your worst instincts are confirmed. That is a
like an unhealthy movie.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yep, it's it's I've seen it a few times. Every
time I watch it, I think like, oh, this isn't
gonna this So this isn't as gonna be as bad
as I remember, and then it like really keeps going
and I'm like, oh, no, no, no, it is, it'll it, yes,

(25:01):
all right, what else? I don't think you can find
that one anywhere, so I'm gonna skip it. Okay, so
I watched I don't think you can find this one either,
But it's worth talking about Wicked Minds, which is from
two thousand and three, and it's an Angie Everheart movie.

(25:21):
It's like a made for TV.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
One where like.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
So there's a line in the in the in the
synopsis that says Holden quickly falls for the beauty and
charisma of his stepmother. So it's really all I mean
to know about it.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I'm in. I'm in.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
It's it's like actually good though, And my review for
it is is this knives out, So it has this weird,
like mystery quality.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I like it. I like it. I don't know it was.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
It was a lot of fun. I'm not quite sure
where I watched that though, so I can't tell you
where to go. Hmmm, do I have any other good ones?

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I love the erotic thriller. Kick You're on.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I know it's been fun. Sometimes they're not good, though.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
That's okay, as long as there's a kind of sexy
saxophone going on.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
I'm that there's a lot there. Oh, I will say
this is kind of on the erotic thriller line. So
we rewatched that Serenity movie from the twenty nineteen and Mathew.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
McConaughey, Oh, the twist in that movie. The twist in
that movie.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
We saw it in the theater on opening weekend, before
the twist got like fully blown open. I didn't know
what it was, what it was going to be, and
so we had never watched it with like full knowledge
awareness of what it was going to be. Knowing allows
you to see the few moments of beauty in this film,

(26:58):
but it's still overall just doesn't really work for me.
I will say though, like when it is just a
movie about like a sweaty guy who lives on a
tropical island who's gonna who's gonna kill his ex wife's
new husband, it is like perfect erotic thriller shit.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Right right, Yeah, I can see what you mean there.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
And like Jason Clark is the awful husband in it,
as he so often plays, and he's so fucking good
in it.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, they're like world where that movie works.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I think there is, but there is a part of
me that wishes.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
That it was just it was what it was, you mean,
like like without the twist.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, Like I don't want to spoil Serenity from twenty
nineteen for anybody, but like it's basically so Matthew McConaughey
isn't alive. He's like a digital character in this mini
game that his son built out.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
I think, wait, doesn't even exist or isn't it like
all in like this, this child has fashioned a video
game and it's just that is his dad. His dad
was real.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
He died. I think he died in the war.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Okay, I think he died in the war. You saw
it more recently than I did, so I believe you.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Well, I mean, I'm saying it with a lot of
unsure to that.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Definitely reasonable I speak, I'd say, but either.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Way, when again, when it's a story about a guy
who owns a fishing boat trying to kill Jason Clark.
Ten out of ten, uh, those are my most noteworthy
erotic thrillers. Oh, I watched a Bordella of Blood, which
isn't really an erotic thriller. It just underscores how many

(28:48):
uh of that terrible man what's his name?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Miller?

Speaker 3 (28:53):
So many Dennis Miller and Angie Everheart movies.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Weird connections he got there. I don't think I've ever
seen Bordella of Blood. As you know, Demon Knight is
my you know, like I'm leaving my estate to Demon Night.
It is one of my favorite moves of all time.
And you know, yeah, I've seen Ritual, which was supposed
to be a taleson krypt movie, but I think got
like shifted out of that universe for some reason. And
I just never got around to Bordella of Blood. I

(29:17):
never heard anybody speak positively enough for me to think
it was worth checking out.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I wouldn't say no. I mean, Angie Everhart is a
lady vampire in it, so like and it's like it's
a nice nineties and there is yes, there is kirk Keeper,
not a lot of krip Keeper. Honestly, if I'm if
I'm remembering it, he was like less than a demon
knight maybe, or maybe it's just not as memorable. But

(29:45):
I would say, if you've ever been interested, like, it's
worth looking at. Dennis Miller is what drags it down.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Not surprising, Yeah, true of most of his life.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Most most things except the Net.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Oh the Net. So I love when like you say
the Net and I just like lean back. I'm like,
oh the Net. What a time? What a time when
we all learned what a gibson was. That's a drink
and thought they would be good, but they're not.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
But they're not. That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I mean, it's a moretini with an onion. Why? How
what about that says good?

Speaker 3 (30:18):
I don't know, this is cool to say, what else
do you have? So I have that kind of horror stuff?
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well, let's I'll go through everything else and then we'll
get to horror. How's that? Because I think you and
I both probably have a good batch of that. So
let's get everything else out of the way. Let's see
all right. Musical. So here's one from a couple of
years ago that I always meant to see and finally
it's been on Amazon Prime forever. Spike Lee's Shiraq. You
know anything about this? So it is sort of a

(30:48):
modern telling of Lysistrata, which was an ancient Greek play,
and the concept is very simple, which is the men
are at war. The women are tired of watching men die.
So they say, you know what, we are not going
to until you stop the war, no more sex. And
so this is a telling of it in Chicago and
in net or in chyrac As they say, where it's

(31:09):
you know, gun violence and gang warfare and the same thing.
The women say, you know what, We're gonna band together
and we're this is what we're doing. And this is
one of those movies that you watch like you lean back,
you're like, god, damn it. The same way like you
think of sometimes I think a Spielberg movie or like
how Denzel Washington can like has that movie star Chrisma
where you're watching anything, and he shows up and you're like, oh, oh,

(31:32):
now I'm leaning in. It's kind of like that when
you watch a Spike Lee movie and realize that he
has a different kind of energy than any other filmmaker.
And this is such a like ambitious, messy movie. It
is a musical kind of I mean, it is a musical.
It's a rap musical. It's you kind of almost feel

(31:54):
like it's getting made up as it goes along, Like
there's something about like you don't really know where you
are in it, Like characters are showing up. There's so
many random actors that pop up. Your boy John Cusack
is in here as a as a as a priest,
and he's he's quite good in it. I did I
did actually know that, Yeah, because you would have been
on your list when you were trying to kind of
get through his whole filmography. Right, Yeah, you should watch this.

(32:17):
It's it's great. Like I'm watching this and my mind's
going a million places and it ends and I kind
of look at Brandon and we're both I'm like, what'd
you think? He's like I I yeah, I'm like yeah, right,
But also like I can understand anybody watching it and
kind of not feeling it, but once you kind of
like get over a hump of like it's almost like

(32:37):
watching Shakespeare in that way where it's you're tuning your ear,
you're kind of given in. You're saying, this is the
language I'm in, and it's it's entertaining, it's different, it's
it has things to say and it has found different
tools to say them with. So this was a real
find for me. I was very happy to watch it.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, so that's that's it's great that you that you
call it out, though, because I will do this thing
where I won't really even entertain anything after like the
twenty twenty ten for like Kusac stuff spo typically. But
it's not fair because I was just skimming to make

(33:15):
this point, and I just went by Maps to the
Stars which is twenty fourteen, and Love and Mercy, which
is twenty fourteen, which are real, like solid good movies.
And this is not a read against Csack. It's about casting.
People should put him in every five star a list,
amazing movie, but it just seems like after a while

(33:35):
the types of stuff he was being featured and didn't
get so good. So I kind of avoid that part
of the philmography sometimes, which is on me I've clearly
missed out.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, and this this is out there, it's on Amazon Prime.
I would love for more people to watch it and
see what they think of it. I got a few
more non horror, so, okay, here's one that a movie
that I kind of hated. I understand. I'm not saying
it's a bad movie, but I definitely watched this movie
and it just this is one of those. A lot
of times this happens with me and Branham. We'll watch

(34:08):
a movie and we won't like say anything to each
other while we're watching it, and it ends and we
kind of look at each other and it's like, what'd
you think? And usually he hates it and I like
it because especially if I'm the one making the decisions,
and in this case, he turns to me, he's like,
what'd you think? And I'm like, oh, I hated it.
This was Saturday Night. Oh so that.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Saturday Night live movie?

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yes, okay, I didn't want to like it'd be very
funny if it was not the whole Assumption or whatever.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
The asylum Saturday Nights.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
So the only thing so I remember cringing at this
movie quite a bit. The only thing I remember liking
is Dylan O'Brien's Dan Ayk's been the entire movie should
have been him.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, he's very good. The guy who's Chevy Chase is
also very good.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yes, yes, it's yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, you're right
because he did a good job too. But like I don't,
I don't know what was your why didn't it work?

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Okay, I figured this out and it says more about
me than it does the movie, and I will accept that.
It's the same reason I hate Empire Records, which I
know is a movie that many people of our generation
will fall on a sword for. I don't like movies
about cool kids clubs. Yeah, because I'm not a cool kid.

(35:23):
And when I watch a movie that is about feels
like and Empire Records is very much this. It's like
music store kids in the nineties you knew everything about music,
and if dare you come in and ask for a
Broadway album, they're gonna all like point and laugh at you.
And Saturday night it kind of feels like that. It's, oh,
look at us, we're artists. We're so you know, we're unhinged,
you know, but we're geniuses and it will come together

(35:45):
and in the meantime, you're assholes. It's a movie about assholes,
and yes they're talented, but it made me watching it.
I'm like, my god, it must be miserable to be
around anybody on Saturday Live.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
It didn't make you feel like you were part of
a gang. And that's what a big, fat ensemble type
of thing like that should feel like.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Right, I think. I guess, like because you want an
in and I guess you're supposed to kind of have
it with with Lauren Michaels, but you're watching it and
you're just thinking, like, I don't want to be the
circus animal wrangler, Like this isn't fun. These people are awful.
They're they're mean, they're jerk jerks, they're rude, they're crass.

(36:32):
Occasionally they're brilliantly funny. But if that meant I had
to be around John Belushi, like, no, it's okay, I'll
watch Lawrence Lawrence, welk, It's fine. I'd rather that than
have to sit next to this guy on the train.
So I don't know, like, and it might have caught
me like a particular mood. I don't know. I've certainly
watched other movies about assholes and enjoyed them, but there

(36:53):
was something about like the way this movie caught me
that I was like, fuck these people.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
No, I mean it didn't fully like I didn't. It
didn't stick the landing, I guess for me, and if
I'm over here being like, yeah, Dylan O'Brien looked really
hot as dan Ackroyd, and dan Ackroyd was really hot,
Like that's what that's my fucking takeaway from it is
I get to think about hot.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Boys, right, And it had no idea what to do
with women in that movie.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I think that was one of one of Zach's problems.
Yeah he didn't. I don't know that he felt big
time one way or the other. He's a big comedy guy.
I probably said this on the show before, so like
he's the reason why we watched it. I would have
not really chosen that on my own. But I don't
really feel as though he as a big comedy nerd

(37:44):
walked away with anything either. So it leaves me wondering
like who did it hit for?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Right? And like why yeh A good comedy that is
always a good comedy and is a great comedy when
we you know, we moved recently, so things were stressful,
and we had a night where like I was like,
you know what, why don't we watch a movie that
both of us love that we can just sit back
and turn it on if we fall asleep. That's okay.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And boys, sometimes I'm really smart, Like sometimes I know
exactly what to do because I said, hey, how about
the Naked Gun. By golly, I'd like to sit down
and watch Naked Gun, no matter how many times you've
seen it, Like I forgot because I don't think I've
seen the opening in a very long time, and just
the whole like the when somebody throws a pillow at

(38:32):
him the knee can't bristle it off his face. I got.
I love the Naked Gun.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
We rewatched it semi recently, and I was trying to
find it in my list to see exactly when. But yeah,
we revisited it and it is obviously very very it.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Still works, right, like you know, every every joke's gonna come.
It's so good ye yeah, okay, right no note yeah,
no notes, perfectly perfect movie. Let's see. Just I guess
on after that? Think the only thing left before her?
I had some TV, so, oh, you know what I
had comedy, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
It's speak. The only reason I bring it up is
because they're interesting, notable entries. I watched Romey and Michelle
for the first time, for the first time, for the
first time. Obviously, it was amazing, Like I waited, my
I waited almost like half of my life.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, it was about twenty years ago. I remember seeing
it in the theater with my mom and sister. That
was what ninety.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Ninety seven. Apparently what this says I hadn't seen it.
I obviously knew a lot of the references, a lot
of the gifts, the jokes, the touchstones. It's easy to
feel like you don't need to see something, yep, when
you have that kind of pop culture relationship with that.
I did the same thing with Pink Flamingos that I
watched it and went, oh, you really need to watch movies.

(39:59):
So I find we watched it and it is. It
is amazing and brilliant and perfect, and I will probably
watch it once a year. Geny and Garoffalo, my birthday
twin is phenomenal. You know what else? Mira Sorvino, My
birthday twin phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Mirror Servino's voice in that movie so funny, Oh my god,
the way and clear, and because I remember so much
of when that movie came out, because there was a
lot of like, I mean, it was okay, fine, It
was a national inquirer which probably for whatever reason, had
something out for that movie and kept saying, how like oh,

(40:34):
because that movie was being filmed, I think as Mira
Sorvino won her Oscar, so it was like, supposedly they
did rewrites to give her more stuff to do, and
Lisa Kudro was like, she's not a comedian, she doesn't
get it. Like who knows what was actually true? Probably
none of it, but it's it is just an art
to watch the two of them, who I think do

(40:55):
have very different approaches to the material and are both
genius can be actresses in totally different ways. But just
the her voice just this like deep kind of like
Valley Girl but not, and just the cadence that she
uses just makes everything she does funny. Oh man, it was.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
It was definitely I can't even say it was like
better than I expected because I assumed it would be good.
But I guess maybe to a degree. I've said this
before I believe you watched the thing when you're meant
to watch it. I don't think that I could have
appreciated it at this level if I had just casually

(41:38):
seen it in nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, So, like I
was never a huge li Saqudro fan until I met
my husband because he is very appreciative of her comedic abilities,
and I never really viewed it that way until like
talking to him, So I think it might have just

(41:58):
been underappreciated.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah, I think that actually, as you said that about time,
i'd forgotten one in my kind of Drama section, which
was nineteen ninety six's Secrets and Lies Amke Life.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Don't think I've actually seen Secrets and Lies.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I don't think I wanted to see it because there
was so much talk about Marion John Baptiste in Hard Troops,
which was not nominated for an Oscar but who everybody
said like that was the best performance of the year.
And I had never seen this, and I knew Brannon
was a fan of it and owned it, so we
sat down to watch it. And it's a similar thing
where I'm like, if I had watched this, like, you know,
twenty years ago, I would not have gotten much from it,

(42:40):
but it is lovely. It is just it's a it's
a drama. It's fun, it's very funny. It's Brenda Blefin
is kind of a working class British woman who gave
up a baby for adoption twenty five years ago, and
that baby turns out to be Maryan John Baptize who

(43:01):
finds her, and of course Marian jump up piece is
black brand of life and is not. And it's this
very like just they want to connect, but there's like
a lot of things going on, and it's just lovely.
I was kind of waiting for a shooter drop because
I think I had just assumed this was a very
like dark, heavy drama, and it's not. It's just this

(43:24):
very human story of people connecting and people that don't
really fit into each other's lives, and they're both lovely
in it. And it was a wonderful, wonderful watch for
me watching in my forties. I don't know that I
would have gotten much if I'd watched it any other
time in life.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Huh. That's yeah, that's interesting. It makes me want to,
you know, seek out more stuff like that, right, you know, like,
like what did I think, Oh, that's not for me
right in nineteen ninety eight, and haven't ever really updated
that that ye feeling?

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, did you have more coms?

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I had another weird movie that I had never seen,
so I still haven't actually seen the first movie, so
this is even weirder. But I watched Charlie's Angels full Throttle.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Oh, I have never seen either of them. And you
would tell that to Jason Fozy Nelson because he'll.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Scream, I've never seen Charlie's Angels. And again, you want
to talk about something hitten when you just felt like
it wasn't for you. I just which is so weird
because it's like a girl power movie for like lack
of a better term. Sure, And I if Full Throttle
came out in two thousand and three, then the first
one came out, you know when around two thousand whenever

(44:42):
around there, and so like we were like eighteen and
we were just not interested as like eighteen year old woman.
I just I was, I mean, I wasn't either, so
it's just strange. So I still haven't seen that first one,
which I've heard is better than full that's my understanding,
which yeah, but I will say full prottle strange time

(45:07):
capsule movie. It's it's a it's very much of its time,
both in like the way it's filmed and the way
it looks.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, very two thousand and three, Very two thousand.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
It feels it feels like the Toxic video, like they video,
but like I don't like I'm not saying that in
a bad way, Like I don't know that I want
to see like an hour and forty minutes of footage
that looks like the Toxic video. I guess that's where
I'm at.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
There's a market for it, certainly, but this I've.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Chose to watch this one because it had it has
to me in it, and I would prefer to look
at to me more because I don't Oh Lucy lou
Oh Jesus's not in that movie. Those movies nearly enough,
I think. If she's not, I don't know why the
Charlie's Angels just weren't one person person in it was
Lucy Lowe. I guess it's my note for this film.
But I've never really been a Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore person,

(46:07):
just because they just don't typically pick projects that I'm
interested in. I guess, so like I had I felt
like I had trouble getting into these movies. I think,
uh and then, but what I found was this is
probably the best movie to watch if you want to
look at Lucy Loo but you're not in the mood
to watch the kill Bill movies.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
And that there is definitely a Venn diagram there.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
It just feels like there's overlap, and like, I don't
really love the kill Bill movies at the point in
my life, so like, I guess I'd just pop on
the Charlie's Angels movies.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
No ballistics X for sever for you.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
No, Yeah, to watch them if you ever feel compelled.
They're weird.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I maybe had a plane I feel like this could
be a plane movie. Maybe because I can't think of another.
I'm in life. I'm gonna stop what I'm doing and
sit down and watch them. Yeah. The So the last
before Horace, I had some TV just two quick things. Oh, okay,
so this is on Peacock. Now, this is a shit.

(47:14):
This is what's like a one season thing that I
had known about for a long time and was waiting
for it to come from Canada to the US. And
it is like an eight episode little series called I
Have Nothing and it. No, this is great. This is
great because now I feel bad because I need to
know the woman's name who did this like you're skating.

Speaker 6 (47:36):
It is.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
A comedian named Carolyn Taylor. She's a comedian. She's a Canadian,
I believe, and she uh does stand up. And she
had this routine about how her dream she always dreamt
of choreographing a pairs figure skating program to the song
I Have Nothing, and this was just this weird, like

(48:00):
just desire she had in her heart to do because
she could see it. She can see what it would
look like on ice and when there'd be a throw
and when there'd be a spin. And so the series
is her doing that. She's working with Sandra Bezick, who's
a very famous former figure skater and choreographer. She gets
Katerina Guerdieva, two time figure skating Olympic champion, and David

(48:23):
Peltier to to do this routine. There's a bunch of
figure skaters that show up, and it's like eight episodes
of her learning how to choreograph and trying to get
the rights to a Whitney Houston song. And it is
porn for a figure skating fan like me. Because it's
also like a lot of nineties figure skating people show up,
like Kurt Browning's there, like Terinavit's there at one point,

(48:45):
and it's just it's also this kind of like weird,
beautiful thing of somebody doing something they kind of have
like no right to do in a way, like this
woman is not a figure skater, but like she has
this connection to this and she just wants to get
this done. But there's so much that goes into it,
and she has to learn so much, and there's something
really beautiful about that. And also I think it very

(49:08):
much is a nice way of like showing what is
so special and weird about figure skating, which is obviously
something I cared deeply about. So I recommend it. It's
on Peacock, it's not long, it's just eight episodes, and
they're all very fun, and.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
I think it's a good time that does seem really fun.
I know that I have not followed in your footsteps
with the figure skating, but as a youth, it was
it was my favorite, you know, Winter Olympics were my favorite.
I specifically for that I would watch it. I remember
there was a lot of smashing pumpkins during that time

(49:41):
in the figure skating programs, which I enjoyed quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Now it's all done too so well I've heard I've
heard that they're really racing it. There is so much
doune in figure skating this season, so I.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Definitely see the allure of it from even that like
childlike ice Capades kind of quality. But so it does
seem kind of social experimental, which I do dig that too.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I recommend it. You can find it. And the last
thing we'll talk about TV wise, because I'm really curious if.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
You've watched I haven't watched any TV. Probably that's all right.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I just I want somebody to agree with me that
Severance is not as incredible as everybody says.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Well, I wish that you were closer. I could introduce
you to my husband, who has never seen a single
episode of it, and it's convinced he knows exactly what
happens and is so angry about the prospect of what
he believes.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
What bothers me about it is it's it's the same
thing that bothered me about Westworld are shows, and it's
very much falling in those footsteps. Unfortunately, I think he
might be right.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
I think I might have to grugulingly give him this.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Well, okay, let's see if we're on the right track.
The problem with both of these shows is that they
establish a brilliant concept. Right. Imagine if you were not
the same person at work, if you could turn your
brain and body off or not body. You turn your
brain and heart off and go to work and somebody

(51:14):
else is doing your job for eight hours and then
they turn it back on. And then your home and
so all the shit that you think of at work,
all the shit that you bring back home and back
and forth, isn't there. What does that mean? What kind
of person are you if you don't have that work life?
What kind of person are you at work? If you
don't have any actual connection to family, or to sex
or to all these other things? That is incredible, right,

(51:38):
Like what you could do with that? Like what would
it mean if you got pregnant and you but you
did not, and so you severance? That sounds great, So
I don't have to worry about leaving my child eight
hours a day because I'm not the person leaving my child.
All of these things are like ooh oh, yeah, what
does that mean? Instead, it's just a fucking mystery box.
It's lost and why it is so frustrating because it

(52:01):
is such a good idea. And my theory is that
nobody that works on the show has ever worked a
day in an office.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Zach said that too.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, he's right, so Ben Stuller worked was a temp
I don't think so. Uh So it's very frustrating.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
He literally invoked the Ben Stiller things.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Does Ben Stiller know about going about clocking in?

Speaker 3 (52:23):
I'll apologize, he's right, you're wrong. Sorry, it's okay, I'm
okay being wrong. I do think it's funny that he
got so mad having never seen it, though, I think
that was now in hindsight, it's absolutely adorable and one
of the most charming things he's ever done, because it's
something that I would have done.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, it's like as somebody who gets unreasonably angry at
things I can't control. It's I agree. It's very fun
when like my husband does the same thing and I'm like,
oh see, it's not just me, see you gotta do
it's about wrestling.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
But still, yeah, that's fun and it's so interesting. So
is there gonna be so you're current on it? Right?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah? Yeah, I am because I had, like, I got
a new phone, so I had a free Apple TV
for a while. So I'm like, all right, let me
watch the show that everybody talks about. And I was
open to it, and I will say it is gorgeous.
It's beautiful, production values, amazing cast. Everybody in that cast
is doing great work. And there are slivers of things
where you're like, ooh, this character like I forget the

(53:25):
actor's name, but the character of Dylan, who's like this
very much like he introduced in him and he's very
into work and he's into all the little perks at work,
and then he gets one glimmer of what he is
at home and it changes everything dramatically and that's really interesting,
and give me more of that. And so there's like
pockets of things where maybe somebody on the show gets it,

(53:48):
but so much of it is just mystery box and
isn't this weird? And what does that mean? And see
this person's related to that person. Then you're like, no,
just talk about what it's like to do this at work.
It's interesting and they don't agree. So yeah, so I'm
convinced it's gonna spin its wheels. Supposedly they have an
end in sight quote unquote, but it does not feel

(54:08):
It feels like they now are now making things up
as they go, and that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
That's that's a bummer. I this is a little tangential,
but you're one of the only people I have to
talked about about this with. But I've I've sort of
heard that that's what's currently happening on this season of
Yellow Jackets, which.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I haven't haven't watched this season yet either I'm waiting
for it to show up to another streaming site that
I have, and also I kind of don't care, like
I'm not hearing enough about it to make me think, oh,
I really have to turn my earmuffs on and not
hear anything like No, I'll get to it when it
comes to wherever it's gonna come.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I've been kind of like watching as people watch it.
And when I started uristic like an erotic thriller, I am,
oh an erotic game of cat and mouse, where.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I waits with binoculars watching in her little window, watching us.
Her neighbors across the street are watch Yellow Jackets.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
And I'm like checking to see if they seem into it.
I when I heard the Mystery Box kind of comparison there,
or it just feels like they're doing stuff to do
it now or does the show even know where it's going.
That type of stuff makes me very worried.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yeah, we all lived through Lost. I think that's the problem, and.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
So I get a little, a little you know, hesitant
to and and kind of so I know why there
was such a big gap between the seasons, or why
at least it felt like there was. There was the
strike definitely impact for all that stuff, So I'm not
faulting the show for that, but it felt like the
way season two kind of rolled up, I was already

(55:45):
not on comfortable footing with the show. Yeah, so like
to hear that we haven't like righted the ship, so
to speak, in a way that I would find satisfying,
is like, I don't know if I even want to
go back.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Well, I think for Yellow Jackets, I'm pretty sure that
the big thing that happens at the end of season
two was purely an actor saying I'm done and the
show then having to be like, crap, now you have
to redo whatever we're going to do. So I don't
think that was planned, and I think that probably affected things,
But also like that was towards the end of season two,
like the I don't think Yellow Jackets knows what it's

(56:18):
doing with its adults.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
I have.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I think it knows what happened with the teens, although
that has to change depending on what happens with the
adults and what actors you're still going to have and everything,
So I don't know, Maybe we'll I think they were
on a five year plan, like I think, a solid
five year plan, so I want to hope that they
know what they're doing, but find out eventually. All right,

(56:41):
So I've got some horror. You've got some horror. Do
you want to take a quick break and come back?

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (56:46):
A right man?

Speaker 6 (57:06):
The clocktic think of confusion? News, nothing new? Nice soupcum.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Time?

Speaker 6 (57:30):
Sometimes you'll picked me.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
All right, you're back. Christina's put her vernaculars down to
focus on the new thriller at hand, which is whatever
scary things we've been.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Watching, that's true, all right, So throw it at me
what you got? So I have I have chosen to
watch some newer se I.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Have a couple of new stuff. Let's do what you got? Yay?

Speaker 3 (57:55):
So I watched Hard Eyes?

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Oh what did you think of for a bit. You
said hard eyes, and I don't know why that was
so disturbing to me because I'm like, hard eyes? What
does that? What could that mean? Oh? No, hard eyes? Okay,
what do you think of new concept? It's a good
drag name.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
I thought it was fine. It's didn't.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I I don't.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
I'm not actually saying it's similar to what was the
movie called once Once upon a Knife? I'm making that up.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
It's a wonderful n a knife, though it is going
to be why not? Why not?

Speaker 5 (58:36):
Oh boy, Google, I don't think that they're similar, but
I felt similarly about Okay, like I felt like, I'm
so glad.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Hard eyes exists. When it works, it works real well.
But I don't necessarily think I'm the intended audience for.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Writ Okay, did you see it? No? I have not yet.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Okay, it was fun and it's also hyper violent, okay,
like hyper violent. I it reminded me of laid to
Rest a few times, like how gooey and violent?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I did not realize.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Yeah, it was like very much that, which is cool,
but it's that's not usually like where my heart lies,
so care that's not technically when I what I love
to like engage with, so mileage is gonna be not
great for me personally. But I know, like people are like,

(59:37):
this is my new Valentine's movie.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
I've heard that, and I totally.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Get it, and next year I probably actually will watch
it again, especially if it's like easily accessible streaming somewhere,
I will watch it again. But like, it didn't. It
didn't like set me on fire, and that's why I
was curious if you had seen that one. Yeah, well
I'd be curious to get your take because it is
a slash, but it is more of like a violent,

(01:00:02):
like over the top slasher, okay, which.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I oddly enough I was not did not know I
thought of it. I think most of the marketing seemed
more as if it was a comedy, or that it
was more kind of horror with a lot comedic elements.
So I guess I just was misreading that marketing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
It is too though, and I think that I think
maybe so, like I guess I've never seen Terrifyer, but
knowing what I know about that franchise, I guess this
is like like a hyper violence maybe without like the
misogyny sexism.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Okay, that's fair, which is cool.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
I'm glad that there's like counterprogramming to that, because like gorehounds,
maybe don't hate women.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
It's always good to know. Yeah, okay, Well, on the
note of horror, that's sort of comedy, I'm gonna go
with one that literally was categorized as a comedy in
the Golden Globes. So therefore I guess it was did
you see heretic?

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
Ah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
So I did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
It's on my list to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Okay, what did you say? Give Harrit?

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
So? Do you do you want just my answer? Do
you want my big wind up to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
My I want all of it? Because I I watched
it on a plane and I had a lot. I
was like, I where Okay, Well I can't get off
the plane, so I'm gonna keep going like where where?
So give me all. I want to hear all of
it from you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
So this was this is a Beck and Woods movie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yes, I don't think I am there for me, but
that's so.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
That's Christine's pake. Christina not does not has never found
a Beck in Woods that she liked.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
So they did what it was? It haunt? What was
the they did like one of the Haunted House movies
that was not I didn't like, and everybody else did.
The Haunt. I think it was the Haunt Haunt. And
then they are those writers of a Quiet Place.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Quiet Place, which I very much don't love, one of
them or both of them, writer on that Boogeyman movie
which I didn't love, and then sixty five million, The
Adam Drive five, the Adam Driver movie. I didn't work
a lot. They work a lot, and they're their their pitches.
If you if you were to just hand me the

(01:02:12):
pitch for every one of their movies, I would be like,
give it to me, sold, here's ten million dollars. Absolutely,
let's go. But then when I see them, I'm like,
oh no, what's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Supposedly it took them like ten years to write this
movie because they were doing a lot of research. I'm sorry,
There's a lot of better ways to spend your time.
I loved it so much. You love this movie. It's good? Really?

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Oh I kind of hated it. I love it. I
totally get what I love when this happens with.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Us and I kind of I kind of hated it too,
But every time I thought it was doing something that
would have made me enrage. Okay, it was to make
a different choice, and I was like, Okay, wait a second,
this is actually like I'm finding this fresh interesting. Everything
they did was not what they were gonna do, and

(01:03:06):
in that regard, I truly felt like I was along
for the ride, which I don't usually feel like in
these movies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Okay, I could see that, and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
I will one hundred percent cop to the fact that
maybe eighty percent of my enjoyment was the performances.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Oh my god, they are everybody is so good, and
I mean yes, like I can't imagine this movie without
Hugh Grant because he is and it's not just that
like oh, it's Hugh Grant doing something different, Like no,
the way he's doing it is so interesting and specific,
and I I really think it is a different movie
in anybody else's hands of that performance. But the actress

(01:03:42):
playing Sophie, that DRI's good. But the other actress girl
so good. Oh my god, I don't I cannot. I
feel bad now not remember her name, but that and
that character. I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I want
I love this. I love a taking this very like
optimistic Mormon and putting it in her eyes and seeing
how she's doing it, and she I thought was magical.

(01:04:04):
I thought she was so good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
She was really the performances are really strong, So I
guess I was because of the surprising nature of some
of the choices and the character selling them. I was
very like enveloped in the world. And every time I
thought it was the thing, I thought it was simulation theory,
I thought it was ghosts, I thought it was it

(01:04:27):
was never that. So even though it kind of oh,
I'm so sorry spoilers for herotech, spoilers for hair attach
kind of boiled down to like a woman in a room,
which you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Know is my least favorite, I was. That's also why
I figured this would not be your jam in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
The end, I and I totally acknowledged that it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Like literal pile of women in Basketsally it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
And I think the fact that this movie almost this
movie spent so much time trying to convince me that
this man was something other than what he obviously always
was was really interesting exercise to me. I guess was like,
this man is man is awful, and they're gonna spend

(01:05:08):
almost two hours of your life trying to convince you
they're not when they are. It was just this strange
exercise where he was trying to use religion to like
justify what he was doing, and it never worked. It
never justified it. He was never right, he never was
on top. And it felt, I don't know, it felt
really satisfying in a weird way.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I could see that. I think a lot of my
problems were with it worthy kind of trying to understand,
like what this movie actually thinks of religion, because it
is obviously you know, it's kind of posing all of
these like it's bullshit, it's bullshit, it's bullshit, and yet
then it does things where it's like or is it?

(01:05:49):
And I felt like it kind of chickened out in
that way a bit, because it does leave some things
to happen that are again we spoiled it, like oh
see maybe there is maybe faith did do this, And
that to me felt a little like so this is
like what it just it felt to me like this
movie thought it was smarter than it was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Oh yes, that is true. There is some of this
dialogue especially that was like come on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
First year, and the fact that they took ten years
to research it. It's like, so how much Wikipedia did
you read to get all this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Is a bit that's so valid, so valid, And honestly,
if I like what you had said earlier, if you
had been in a different mood for Saturday night, maybe
like it would have hit different. If I had been
in a different mood for this, I might have hated it,
but it really was like, Okay, work, good job, guys,
this is nice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah, I'm fascinated because I wondered where you'd fall on it,
because I and I didn't. This is one that while
I was watching it, I couldn't decide, and then I
was kind of just getting I was getting restless and bored.
I was like, oh't know, man, Like I got nowhere
to I'm not distracted. I'm on a plane, i got
nowhere to go. So it's not like I'm gonna take
my phone and out start playing a game like No,
I'm watching it, and I am I'm kind of bored.

(01:07:04):
And then the more I thought about it, the more
annoyed I got at it. But it's also like I
can't I mean again, three very good performances in this
movie that them themselves are worth it so interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yeah, I'm glad you saw it, and it's interesting that
you didn't enjoy it because like, I totally get it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yeah, okay, other new ones that we both watched.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Let's see, Oh well I watched Presence.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I did not watch Presidence. You think of Presence.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
So the letterbox has it as twenty twenty four, but
I saw it listed of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
It just came out theatrically this year.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
If it's twenty twenty five, then it's my favorite movie
of the year. Oh, nothing will probably beat it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Nice, exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
I saw. I apparently am falling on the like end
of very divisive things because there's another one i'll talk about.
I loved it, but it's very divisive, right, I've seen
a lot of like, Okay, what was this movie about?
Kind of things, And honestly, you might not like it

(01:08:11):
because it's got one of my favorite elements in it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Okay, I'm not worrying about it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
I'm not gonna spoil shit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
That's okay, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
But it's one of my things that you don't really
doesn't affect you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
I get it. I get it. I have been swayed
sometimes on those kinds of movies, by the way, for
the record, but no, totally.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
But like I Zach and I watched it together. I
was rendered speechless. I had to take my glasses off
to weep. Like I was just we were both like
in all of it. And then I said to my mom,
you have to watch this movie if you have access
to it, and then she was like it was fine,
and it was just like okay, well, I just don't
understand anything anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
I mean, you know, I side with your mom more
than you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
It's true, so that's why she she liked it. But overall,
I think she would probably market in like the forgettable category.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Interesting. I will watch it. I will definitely watch him
it comes around, because I mean, even a hum Soderberg
movie is still a Sodaberg movie. It's still made well,
still have something of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Interest to it, and it was really like well composed,
and I thought the script was like super solid. But Sodaberg,
I think recently said something about like not wanting to
write his movies anymore, in like partnering with writers to
just like direct movies. And I really feel like that's

(01:09:34):
when he works best for me, is when he's like
working in collaboration with this story.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
I mean, I think he is such a a good
filmmaker on a like and I don't mean to like
I'm gonna say, like on a technical side that makes
it sound like oh yeah, no, heart Like, No, it's
not that it's his skill in making a film. Just
the tightness of his movies, the editing of his movies,
the way they move is really remarkable, and it's not

(01:10:07):
I don't think a great Soderberg movie is ever great
because of the script.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
So yeah, yeah, that's that's an interesting point. I I
would be curious to get your your thoughts on this
just as a singular film, but also like a bigger
part of his filmography, because like, for me, this is
like maybe the best soda Berg movie I've ever seen.
But like, I am such a I'm such a fan

(01:10:34):
of like a good script that I don't know Sometimes
I don't know what I'm I'm actually lauding. What am
I a fan of? A right, But like it's it's
such a it's such an interesting way to tell the story,
I guess, And if it doesn't work for you, like
I totally get it not working.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
So Okay, on that note, let's go talk about a
movie that I think shows from a director who I've
seen a few films of his now, And I know
you have two and I think he is a very
good director, but I think he is terrible at writing scripts.
And I don't know if I am alone in that company.
But good golly, did you see Long Legs?

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Did you watch that movie and think? What the woho
the fuck wrote this there?

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
It's just so stupid the garrot, Like when you sit
back and think about so many things that happened in
that movie, it's just so so bid Well what what
jog my memory.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
A little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
What are you exactly referencing?

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
All right, so Long Legs, I'm gonna spoil things.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
About a minute since I It's been a minute since
I since I I watched it all the way through.
So I don't feel that way about it, but I
could agree with you, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Okay, all right, so I am going to spoil Long
Legs for those of you who have not seen Long Legs. Okay,
So we have a you know, a young Clarice Starling
who seems to have like, you know, kind of psychic abilities.
Maybe she's psychic in the begin when she figures out
one thing, but then the rest of the movie she
seems to have no psychic ability. Whatsoever, because the otherwise
would she not have known that this man was living

(01:12:08):
in her basement?

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
You have, well, there's a whole reason for that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Oh no, I'm gonna explain the moment. No, So you
have a whole pattern of kids whose birthdays are this
day die and apparently it takes Blair Underwood to the
day of his daughter's birthday party to realize, oh shit,
my daughter's born on that day. I wonder if she's
gonna be part of the Long Legs Killer, the constant.
Like what I think what bothered me was the whole

(01:12:36):
I don't understand anything about. I'm just gonna keep call
her her Claric Starling because that's what she's clearly trying
to be.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Who is she?

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Okay, where is this happening? Let's go to that question,
because their FBI right, so it should be like national
They can be flying from one place to the other,
or all of these murders are happening like in the
Pacific Northwest right where they happen to be. Isn't that
convenient because that's the psychic power that you'd have. You
didn't identify it here.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I just I just thought it was dumb. I just
thought all of it was dumb. Nothing added up to anything.
And it sure it looked cool, Sure you got good performances.
I didn't. I wouldn't have known that was in a
cage if I didn't know that was in a cage,
But it just felt stupid in the end. I'm like,
I if if you had submitted the script in class,

(01:13:23):
your teacher would rightfully have a lot of red marks
on it made me very angry. I brand it like,
wasn't it dumb? He's like, I don't know. I was fine,
but no, it was dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
It So I get what you're saying, but I don't
know that I would have ever classified those similar feelings
as dumb. I would have called the script convoluted for sure, though,
So we I think we're saying similar things, like if

(01:13:59):
you don't know why something is happening and you're watching
the film as you would be you're a studious film watcher,
you shouldn't be wondering the answers to these questions. They
should be really clear, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
I got so distracted. Like there's a moment where Blair
Underwood is at a hotel drinking and Clarie Starling comes
there with him and they're they're like they're talking and everything.
He's like, Oh, it's time to go, and she's like, oh,
I'll drive you home. I'm like, wait, you were recruited
just now to be part of this operation. Where is home?

(01:14:35):
Where is your home? Where is his home? Where are you? People?
Like things like that that just really bugged me About
the geography of the movie. It's one of those things
when like and you will and again to just not
just keep comparing it to Sounds of the Lambs, but
like think of the geography Assiunds of the Lambs to
the geography of that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
I think that's what's interesting, is like you're comparing it
like with this feeling that it so I can compared
it too. I we just compared it in different ways.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
So the way that I watched the film is it
is was for me Osgood was making Silence of the
Lamb's fan fiction with the supernatural element, like like like
Silence of the Lamb's X Files maybe, okay, And so
for me there was like it it didn't exist in

(01:15:24):
reality because of the supernatural elements. Because the supernatural elements
were real within the film, they weren't just like, is
she imagining it to me?

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I mean, they they were real, tangible so to me
since they didn't live in reality. I guess I was
less concerned about the movie making me feel like we
were in reality because I knew we weren't, okay, but like,
that's my relationship with it, and so like, if I
have to have this, An argument can be made that
if I have to have this deep, like personal like

(01:15:55):
backstory that that no one else is involved in, then
maybe it's it's not working.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Or if you're not, if you're entertained enough that you're
not thinking or being distracted by what I perceived as
plot holes and poor writing, then it's also just oh,
it's a movie that worked for you and didn't work
for me. So I think it's totally valid to say
I wasn't thinking of these things because I was really
into it, and that's fine. It just for me was

(01:16:21):
one of those cases where I couldn't look past logic
in watching that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Well, but what I think is so interesting about this
is because I get it, not just like in like
a nebulous movie watching sense, but like with Osgood specifically,
I feel like every one of his movies that I
have seen is like, this is a ten out of

(01:16:45):
ten except yep for this cute if it only did
this there only answered It's a weird relationship to have
with a person's filmography, because I'm specifically thinking of Gretel
and Hansel, which I thought was in a like an
earth shattering film until literally the last four minutes and
I was like, throw this trash out. That's that's hyperbolic.

(01:17:06):
I didn't actually feel this way, but like I didn't
like the last literal minute undid the entire film for me.
And then something like Black Coat's Daughter, which I find
other people talking to me about the movie more compelling
than watching the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
I think, yeah, it's more interesting what that movie like
inspires is more exciting than that movie which is just
missing something.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Yes, they're like the way that people talk about the
subtext of Black Coat's Daughter and what it means and
what the Devil is really represent is like, wow, I
wish I had seen that in that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Yeah, but wait, but people got it out of it,
So like I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Guess like it's like I feel like we're like Osgood's
movies are like a dance, and I feel like you
have to like be willing to do the dance with
him and follow his lead, and sometimes I can't yep
because it's like I almost feel like he's doing the
dance wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
But like that's like everybody else is following the steps.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Yeah, Like I'm just like, why are you doing this?
And that's why I'm afraid to watch the Monkey, right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
I've heard wildly mixed things about the monkeys.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Yes, well, so so I heard something about the monkey
because it's a Stephen King thing that somebody said it's
so he's doing Stephen King so well, and it made
me think of that of Kieran and Shipka's character in
Long Legs. Okay, Yeah, which is the thing I liked
the least about Longihood.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Okay, I can see that there was the way that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
They chose to do that character felt like a Stephen
King character in the way that I say, I don't
like Stephen King.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I can completely understand what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Yeah, So I worry that the monkey is just might
not be that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Yeah, I don't know. I still have to see. I
am the pretty thing that lives in the wall. I
know I still have That's the one that I've missed
and the Monkey.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
But I really liked that movie. I thought that movie
really worked. It's very slow and quiet and stuff, so like,
I don't know what an interesting filmmaker though, very much, and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
I'm excited to keep seeing what he does. I'm waiting
for it to fully work for me. And in the meantime,
I'm excited that he does seem to have a, you know,
a thriving career and will keep making making and keep
making horror films, which is also a nice thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Yeah, for sure, it's like cool that even if it's
not hitting for you, like other people are are like
so into something so like weird. I guess that's how
I feel at least, Yeah, very much like I'm glad
you guys are getting into long legs like this. I
mean there's like dolls in it, weird dolls and strange murder.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Weird doll and it's still know like that okay, and
that come on that doll is It's not just like, oh,
here's a weird doll. No, here's like a Mithriagan doll
that has a magical computer ball chip in its head
that will explode and turn people crazy. And like I
should be eating that up and I'm not because I'm like,
come on, even I have my lines of if I

(01:20:10):
can't explain it, then it's a little too weird. And
I liked a little too weird.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
So this it could be a case of maybe you
revisit it in like five years and you're like, wait,
this is this is school?

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Or I would I think all of his and again,
Black Coat's Daughter is the only one I have watched
twice and I didn't get any more from it the
second time, but I'd be curious for a lot of
his stuff that maybe it will age differently.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Yeah, you never know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Indeed, all right, other new stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Do I have one more?

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Let me hear that's it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Though I have nothing else I have, but you might
have seen some of the ones I have, so go
for it and then I'll jump on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Okay, well let's see all right, another new Ish one?

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
This one was also pretty celebrated and I actually loved it.
A French Canadian film, Red Rooms.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
I haven't seen it yet. Is it really violent or upsetting?

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Oh? I am trying to figure out how to speak
about it. I maybe we should just do an episode
on it because I would watch it again.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Okay, And is it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Uh, it is not visual violence. You do not see
much in this movie. There is a lot. It is heavy,
there's a lot that it is doing and exploring, and
it is It talks about violence, and it talks about
some very severe violence to like very young people, but
you do not see it. And that's kind of part

(01:21:37):
of the point of the movie, I think, is exploring that.
So I found it riveting and I let's let's just
do it. Let's let's cover it soon. Okay, sure, okay.
Uh another one I was not so hot on. That's
fairly new. Did you see Cuckoo?

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
I haven't watched it yet. No, but it's on the
it's on the short list. You you you're saying you didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
I it's not. It's entertaining. It looks great. Dan Stevens
is fantastic. Hunter Schaeffer is fantastic. Great Final Girl. Yeah,
it's different. It's very strange, like story wise, I don't
know that I could explain it very well, and it
lost me. I was into it, and then it kind

(01:22:19):
of hit a point where I really was like, I
I'm sorry, Who am I ridding? Who's good? Who's evil?
What's going I don't Okay, and I it lost me,
So not a wash A mild recommend for a horror fan,
because I think it does some interesting things, but ultimately

(01:22:40):
for me, it was kind of a disappointment.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
That's a shame. It's still on my list, and I
think I would like to check it out, just because
you know, you might.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Like it, you might like it more than I did.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
All right, all right, well I'll go in with a
you know, tentative feeling. I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
On Hulu there's a little, very fairly short horror movie
called Dead Sea. I always like horror movies that are
set on the water. And it's like some young people
end up in a jet ski accident and get taken
in by a boat and it turns out it's an organ.
There's an organ donation ring going on. This is okay. Yeah,

(01:23:18):
Dean Cameron shows up. That's fun. Lead actress is very good.
She's very watchable. It's kind of nice because it's a
movie where you know, girls are in bathing suits the
entire movie, but it does not feel like it's doing
like a female gate, like a male gayzy kind of thing.
So it's okay, it's fine. I would be curious to
see more. About the director, but this was kind of fine.
Here's when you might have seen nineteen eighty four, eighty

(01:23:41):
six Dreamscape with Dennis Quaid.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
It's been in Ruckerhower right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
No. No. Eight is okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Different.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
This has Maximon Seedow, Kate Capshaw Warriors come out and
play a David Patrick Hilly.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yeah, David Patrick Kelly. I haven't seen it in probably
like fifteen years, but I have seen it. It's very strange.
Is doesn't someone turn into a snake man in it?

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Or oh no, no, this is a this movie has
snake man it, this is wi no, no, no, this
is you got it, this is it's one of the writers.
I forget the guy who directed it directed a couple
of interesting things, but Chuck Russell is one of the
writers on it, and it feels like, oh yeah, it

(01:24:28):
makes sense that the same guy that wrote Nightmare and
Elm Street three wrote this. It has a lot of
that kind of dream energy of like when you're in
a dream, you can be anything. You could be this,
you could be that. It's weird. It's it's eighty four
and they're doing like there's some crazy practical effects and
create some wild computer effects. There's some weird sexual assault

(01:24:49):
stuff that's kind of coded over as it being okay
because it's in dreams and stuff. It's, oh, there's presidential
assassin stuff like it has that era of sort of
like the Boys from brit Ill where everything could kind
of be about assassinating somebody. So it's strange and it's
fairly quick, and it didn't wasn't great, but it's a

(01:25:10):
fun little nugget from that time period that I just
was not familiar with at all.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Yeah, I know I've seen it because it's some people
are agish, have a lot of nostalgia for it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
I say that, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Hadn't seen it though, But the director, whose name is
Joseph Ruben, is one of my favorite directors of all time.
He directed The Stepfather, He directed Sleeping with the Enemy,
which is a movie that I am sort of obsessed with,
and The Forgotten Forgotten, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
No, I've forgotten. More importantly, Look, you can have you
can take your Julianne Moore abducted child, late breaking alien
twist all you want. Give me Macaulay Culkin shooting people
and pushing dummies off of passes in the good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Soun good Son. We got good So here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
I will never never turn away, turn away a chance
to talk about the good Son.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
It's so like he's got a wild film agits like
strange movies. I'm sure Zach would be so excited if
I told him I wanted to watch them.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
It's on Peacock you watch pretty easily. Let's see. Oh
this is like the year two thousand or so, made
for TBS Superstation original starring Harry Hamlin. So of course
I'm gonna give that a give that a little watch
disappearance A family Goat like is just you know, kind

(01:26:44):
of driving around. They go to a ghost town that's
supposed to be like Nevada, but is actually a film
in Australia, and there's it's like it's not found footage,
but if there's like a little moment that feels like
early found footage because they find the video of the
people that previously were there and what happened. This was
like just a fun little TV movie that felt like

(01:27:04):
actually had some some suspense going on with it, so
I kind of liked it. I love like TV.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Yeah, I love a good TV movie.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
This was on Amazon Prime. Oh fun, okay, okay, it's
just a few more on also an Amazon Prime A
newer movie. I think it was last year with Arianna
Debo's House of Spoils.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
That sounds familiar for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
So this is the the biggest problem with I liked this.
The problem with this movie is you go in and
it feels like you are getting it's considered horror. It's
in the horror section, but this ultimately is not a
horror movie. Uh. It's very the menu but not. It's
a you know, a chef who goes to open like

(01:27:52):
a new restaurant, sort of like in kind of like
upstate New York. It's going to be an experienced type place,
and she gets there and realizes like the place is
probably haunted by somebody that might have been a witch
that was killed there some time ago, and so she's
trying to develop a menu. But it's also kind of
like the food seems to be haunted and keeps turning
to mold. It feels very much more about like toxicity

(01:28:13):
of food industry and all this. I believe it's written
and directed by two women. I think it's a team.
So there's a lot there and it feels like they're like,
I think it's a blumhouse, so it's it feels like
there was this could have been bigger or longer, or
kind of like this is like the first run of
this movie, because there's so much that it doesn't get

(01:28:34):
to and it goes in a very different direction than
what you're expecting, which I respect but also meant for, Like, oh,
who is this movie for? Because anybody sitting down to
watch this thinking they're getting horror movie is gonna walk
away feeling like they kind of got not what they wanted.
What is the name of this movie again, House of spoil?

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
House of Spoils? I couldn't think of the house part.
I want to look it up because I feel like
I knew what it was about. But I'm surprised by
everything you're saying, so maybe I don't. You might be thinking, Okay,
the poster is familiar, but maybe I'm thinking of a
different movie. I now suddenly feel very compelled to watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
I'd be really curious what you think. And I think
if you go in not like how do I say it?
It feels like you're watching a movie that's gonna end
in bloodshed, and that that's what you've signed up for,
and that's what you want. This movie has very different
things to say, which I think is there's a twist

(01:29:31):
in this movie that I actually think you would love
and really appreciate. I'm going to tell you to watch
this movie. I don't think everybody is going to like it,
but I think this movie is trying to do something
that's only going to work for like a specific audience,
and I think you're part of that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Interesting. Okay, well, you know, maybe I'll give it a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
I would recommend restaurant horror exactly. There's not much of it,
all right. There's also not much shoe horror, so that's
always fun when you get a shoe horror. I watched
The Red Shoes, not the ballet Red Shoes, but the
Korean horror film Red Chowes from like early two thousands,
I think, and it feels like an early two thousand's

(01:30:10):
horror movie where it feels like fifteen minutes a little
too long then it needs to be. But this was fun.
It's it literally is haunted cheese. There's a lot of
things going on with what it's actually doing to the
women it possesses, so I kind of liked this. It's
visually pretty cool, doing a lot of very stylish things.
It was on Canopy. I believe when I watched it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
That sounds very good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Also on Canopy, Everyone Will Burn. Isn't that a great title?

Speaker 6 (01:30:39):
It is?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Yeah, this was a messy movie and I don't understand
what actually happened in it, but I still loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
It is Spanish, Oh Spanish. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
The lead actress is incredible. It's a kind of apocalyptic
movie sort of.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Oh, the lead actress is from Dag.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Yeah, she's incredible. Oh this and this is her movie,
like with anybody else in that part. I don't know
what this movie is, but it is. She is kind
of this outcast in town. She lost her child some
years earlier. Her child was a dwarf. Her child was
bullied and out of nowhere. This other child shows up

(01:31:21):
and kind of says to her, Hey, we're gonna fuck
shit up and kill everybody, and she's like all right.
And it's very much about small towns, it's about Catholicism,
it's about like there's a lot going on. It's gorgeous,
it looks great. Everybody is dressed in stylish ways. There
are some things like acts of violence in this movie

(01:31:43):
done in ways I have not seen before. It's really cool.
It doesn't make any sense towards the end, I suddenly
it goes off the rails, and I honestly could not
tell you what happened in the last like twenty minutes.
But I still would recommend watching it because it's really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
It looks really good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Yeah. Oh, another food movie I forgot this was on
might have also been Canopy. Actually The Feast. It is
a Gaelic Welsh Irish movie. I think I think it's
I think it's Welsh. I think it's in Will's kind
of feels feels very like a twenty four ish of
a very wealthy family in the countryside or hosting a

(01:32:24):
dinner party.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Oh yeah, okay, I remember this seeing this poster around.
All right, I like this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
It's I think you know where it's going once pretty quickly,
and it doesn't really offer that much surprise. But it's
a nice like modern folk horror from a region I
have not seen before.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
I'm a fan of just just that alone, then.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
I think you'll be satisfied by it. I have a
lot to say also about the rich and so on.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
So interesting. All right, Wow, you watch some some cool shit.
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Sometimes I'm that kind of a cool shit. What can
I say?

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Well, that's true most of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Well, yeah, I'll do I'll do three quick more, okay.
One on Shutter I'm curious if you've watched it, because
I feel like it made its rounds a few weeks
ago and then everybody kind of stopped talking about it.
A's reel with Samorrow Weaving. I have not.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
I thought it didn't look like something I would like,
so I deprioritized it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
I love her. I love that she also seems very
committed to doing horror for ninety percent of her career,
and I hope she continues to do it. She's yeah,
so good in it. She like she knows how to
be in a horror movie. She knows what to do
with her face, she knows her features. This is a
very physical movie. This is a movie where nobody talks,
so it's very much a physical performance. She's great. I

(01:33:44):
found this movie very dull. This movie didn't work for me.
I was born.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Yeah, there's a lot of not talking in it, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Yeah. The whole thing is that it's a post apocalypse
where everybody has like cut out their tongue and doesn't talk,
so which is fine, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
It's just I personally haven't had a great run of
luck with the we don't Talk movies, Like no dialogue.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
There's not many. I mean the silence not good, A
quiet place not for me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Yeah, and then there's the one, the alien one.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
Dennis we cat Caitlyn that I think, so, yeah, she's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
She's wonderful. So I really did watch that for her.
And plus when you see like this, this is an
un you know, uh, a strange script that really swept
it's interesting. I want to see what your your converse
strange script is. But like, none of the we Don't
Talk movies have worked. So when I found out this
one was a we don't Talk movie, I went like,
I'll get around to it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Yeah, it's fine. It just I don't know what it
was about it. And part of it is, I mean
if it feels pretty low budget, it's filmed in the woods,
it's very brown, like, it's just it's not visually interesting.
You I don't learn enough about these people to kind
of figure out why they're doing what they're doing. There's

(01:35:06):
like monsters that are cool looking, but they don't feel
that like, I don't know you can't get enough of
this character to understand like, oh, why is she And
this isn't a spoiler. It opens this way, like why
is she trying to leave these people? Okay, tell me
wait because you can't talk. I haven't understood anything going on.

(01:35:27):
So it didn't Yeah, yeah, it just it felt like, yeah,
but she's She's very good. A very long movie. So
again talking about being on a plane, which is a
great opportunity to watch movies that you wouldn't otherwise watch.
And so I'm on a plane to Vegas. So it's
like a five and a half hour flight and I'm
going through the list trying to find I'm like, okay,

(01:35:48):
here's a movie that I've heard good things about, but
it is a two and a half hour Korean horror
film that I have never found time to carve out for.
So I'm on a flight, let me do it. This
was Eggzuma or Egzuma.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Oh yeah, okay, so I have heard very good things
about this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
I was into it and then realized, wait, is this
the movie we're gonna tell for two and a half hours.
Oh no, we're gonna We're switching gears. Okay, we're switching
us again. The length of this movie, and like it's
kind of ultimately what you get doesn't feel like it

(01:36:29):
justifies the running time. It feels like this would have
been more interesting as a mini series because it starts
one place, it kind of goes through a few kind
of big acts I guess where you go from one
setting to enough to sort of like the story shifting
and then like the horror shifting with that that because

(01:36:49):
of just the pacing of it, it just I don't know,
it's just it went on too much for me. And
I really thought if this had been broken up into
a series, I think every episode would have been satisfying.
But as a two and a half hour movie, it
didn't fully come together for me.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Interesting, Okay, now I'm actually even a little more.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
I would be curious because it might work much better
for you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Yeah, every time I do one of those hey recommend
me a recent movie I might not have seen type
of I guess a million people suggesting this one interesting
And it's honestly the length that usually and it is incore.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
So it's a long movie that you were watching and
reading and fully engaging with watching it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know I've told this this
Harrowing Tale a lot where we go to pick movies
at ten pm. Oh no, god, And now I'm not
picking the hour thirty four minute or the one hundred
and thirty four minute a Korean movie just because I
can't physically do it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
It's a different engagement completely, Yes, absolutely, yeah, all right,
last thing that I watched. We're going to go back
in time to when little Emily would go to the
video store and go to the horror section and basically
would rent like every single thing she could see. And
there was one movie that I would circle, like Peewe
circling the Snake Tank because I'd look at that cover

(01:38:11):
and go, oh god, that looks too much for me,
because the cover had Ventriloquistummy on it and it looked horrifying,
and I thought, I don't know, I don't know, maybe okay, fine,
Finally I watched it, and then some you know, thirty
for thirty something years later, I'm like, you know, I
remember watching this movie as a kid, and I remember

(01:38:31):
it being creepy, but not much else. So oh, look
here it is on TV, and apparently it's only an hour.
In like eighteen minutes, it is time for forty three
year old Emily to revisit Making Contact aka Joey rolland
Emricks nineteen eighty six, I.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
Think nineteen eighty five. Five That says, Hi, do you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Never, oh Christine? This is honestly you just want to
It's on two B. It's very short. You watch this
movie and you remember that we didn't have the Internet
in the eighties, because otherwise Disney would have sued this
movie to hell. It's Roland Emerick very clearly saying, okay,

(01:39:18):
et worked, Poltergeist worked. What can I do? Okay, I
know what you do. I am gonna make my German
melding of these two movies. I believe he even like
it's filmed in Germany, and I think just everybody is dubbed.
I think it was done in a way where it's
like this is It's the most like commercial version of

(01:39:39):
this except it also has this very weird subplot where
it's like a little boy whose dad died. What do
you know? Because again it's being Spielberg, and he finds
a ventriloquist dummy. The ventriloquist dummy is look at the
picture of that thing, Christy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Look at it. No, I'm I am looking at it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
It's disgusting.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Doesn't look like it's from eighty five. I can't explain
to you what I mean by that. Yeah, but it
doesn't look like a design from that time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
No, Well, the dummy is supposed to be like nineteen
twenties era, and the dummy, the dummy doesn't. Oh god,
the dummy will like. What the dummy does is it
turns its head and it like opens its big giant
blue eyes and it just drops its jaw and goes
and then stuff moves around the room.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
To a degree, it looks ahead of its Timeue hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
Okay, okay, but I would I.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Have a serious question for you. A lot of your
origin story is based on is based on Child's Play,
and like your interactions with that film at such an
early age, have you dug into this movie? You seem
to be have been very affected by this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
I've literally never heard of. Well, and the weird thing
about it is that I because this is a movie.
So again for me, the thing about Child's Play, the
thing about a lot of those that particular breed of
evil doll or evil small thing movie is that the
target is a child, right, even Poltergrist. Right, it's a
doll strangling a little kid, and as a little girl,

(01:41:17):
like I was a little blonde girl when I was young,
and so whenever I would see like Poltergeist, I would
put myself into Caroline shoes and it you know, so
it always it got me or Katsi, my god kats
I Drew Berry Moore and Katsi because my nickname as
a kid was Firestarter because I had blonde hair and
I was always hot at night, so my parents had
to turn the fan on for me, and so they

(01:41:39):
called me fire Starter.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
That's adorable. I didn't know you were blonde.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
I was blonde until I was about like five. Yeah.
My mother used to tell people it was because Robert
Redford was my father.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
I mean I kind of looked a bit Asian as
a baby, and people used to my mom used to
say the mailman was my father. I don't. I don't,
I guess because I I don't know, I had I
had features that people didn't attribute to my mom class together,
so they would ask in a very rude eighties way.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
I think sure.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
So she used to just say, yeah, that's the mailman.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
Oh yeah, Because all my whole family, we all had
had brown hair or dark hair, and I just for
whatever reason, it was blonde for a long time. Yeah. Wow, Yeah,
So I had a lot of a lot of times
I would identify with like little t very more and
and again in Cat's Eye when she's tortured by a
little troll and her cat protects her, like again, right there,
I guess this is very much the birth of me.

(01:42:33):
But so Joey making contact. The thing about that movie
is that it starts kind of as at least to
me as a kid, and watching it again, it feels
like you're watching a Poultergeist type horror, and then it
sort of shifts into my god, it is. It is
hilarious how much of a ripoff it is of ET
because at a certain point, like the you know they

(01:42:57):
call in the not like the science version of the
fbis the Houses under Tents, and we're like, oh, this
is just ET completely. And meanwhile then it kind of
turns into like it a little bit because there's bullies,
because of course there's bullies. That there were bullies and
all these other eighties movies and Roland Emmerick is very
clearly making a checklist of things that are commercial at

(01:43:18):
this time and putting them in this movie. So then
it's like all the bullies come and they try to
help the kid, and it's like all of them are
seeing their biggest fear and like one of their biggest
fear is a giant hamburger, one of their biggest fear
is Darth Vader like and so literally there is a
guy in a Darth Vader costume with a red lightsaber
in this movie, and you're thinking lawsuits. Like there's Daffy

(01:43:43):
Duck bed sheets. There's a moment when like toys are
flying around the room and it's all Disney characters and
Star Wars characters, and it's just so mind boggling to
watch today because no movie would have like this movie
would get sued for so much money to do that.
But it kind of loses It's like horror footing at

(01:44:03):
a certain point. So then like the dummy is not
the scary thing, and it kind of goes into other directions.
But the dummy. As soon as the stummy showed up
and opened its mouth and went nah I did, I
felt my entire body just get very like I just
like I was like shrinking into the sunken place of

(01:44:24):
my recliner because it was so upsetting to me, and
I think I did have a nightmare about this Ventillica stummy.
I just don't like them. I don't like that they
target children because they can, because it's easy too, and
children will believe them, but then nobody will believe the child.
So then the child is like, knows that this toy
is after them, but nobody believes them about this. And
it's very upsetting. And yes, there are a lot of

(01:44:45):
things going on there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
I don't know if you said it when you started
to describe this, but I it took me by surprise
to see that Roland Emrick also wrote it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Yeah, oh, and he was. He was writing a movie
that he knew would work because it worked overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Yeah, it's very strange because I think, I mean Roland
Emmerick obviously is a filmmaker. I mean he has creativity
in his bones, but he is also very much a technician,
both on set but also I think on the page,
and I think he is when he has written any
one of his scripts, he knows like, okay, Independence Day,

(01:45:28):
Well the dog's got all we have to have a
moment where the dog lives. We have to have this romance,
we have to have this character die. Like I think
there is very much a formulaic, you know, save the
cat type style to his filmmaking. And this is an
interesting way of seeing it because you can tell like
you almost can see him going and getting funding for
the movie and having a version of the script to

(01:45:50):
one investor that's highlighting the nineteen twenties aspect and then
bringing it to another investor and highlighting the et like
part of it. Like it doesn't feel like a creative endeavor.
It feels like a mass But it's also got a
really creepy and Endrila was dummy in it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:06):
So I again, I don't want to continue to take
this even longer than it needs to be. But I'm
now staring at Roland emmerick'sography phomography, and very rarely does
he write solo. He usually is writing with a credit
with someone else. But and the same is true as
this movie too, so it's not his singular vision. But

(01:46:28):
I'm looking at a nineteen eighty seven film called Ghost
Chase aka Hollywood Monster.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
Well that sounds fun and the cover of it, oh god,
it's chilly again. It is Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
It reminded me of what of the film we were
just speaking of. But it seems like there's somebody inhabiting
an old grandfather.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Clause in it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Inhabit the body of an alien and persuades the two
filmmakers to track down an old house that will resolve
a family scandal. So I'm pretty sure I need to
watch this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
I definitely need to watch this movie. And it looks like,
based on the picture that they took the prop from
Joey making contact and then just like added fur to
it to make it look like. Oh wow. The trailer
is playing now and I'm getting vibes. Oh okay, we
need to Oh god, he just showed up. Oh no,

(01:47:27):
he looks like Hoggle a little bit too.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
It's two years after making contact, so maybe they learned
something with their little weird puppet that made people upset.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
This movie is gonna make me upset. I'm watching the
trailer un mute and it's creepy as fuck. Oh god,
he kind of looks like Troll, and Troll also really
upset me as a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
It's it's weird. When you get deep into his filmography,
you start to see surprising things.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
It's really that. I mean that trajectory to have gone
fairly quickly from this just I guess Stargate was like
the dip into you can give this guy independence day
mm hm m hmm. Fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
It's interesting, interesting stuff. Well, one of us should watch
Ghost Chase.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
We're both gonna try. It's not streaming anywhere, but you
tell me if you find it, because I'm gonna work.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I can rent it. Yeah,
Ghost Chase, Ghost Chase.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Okay, let's see us on DVD anywhere. I believe you
had one more? Did you not? I have one More?

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
And it's a movie that apparently is very divisive that
I actually hadn't known anything about. It is a twenty
twenty five film. I watched it because I thought it
seemed interesting, and I am just so sad more people
aren't watching and talking about it. So this is twenty
twenty five's opus, directed by somebody named Mark Anthony Green.

(01:48:58):
So it's not really a person and I know, and
it stars I am I saying her name right. She's
just the wind beneath my wings and my person.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
She's just so cool, like when you see her in
interviews you're like, Oh, you're really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
She's everything. And the thing with I I've noticed is
that she tends to be in things that I want
to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Yeah, I think she has a very I think she
wants to do stuff that she finds interesting and funny.
And I like her. I think she's very smart and
I trust her taste.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
You don't want to say that and sound like you're
in a parasocial relationship with like an actor, but like
I to the it's to the point where I'll kind
of just watch anything that she's in because I trust her.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Get that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
So, like, I saw this and I read the synopsis
and it's basically a young writer and an old pop
star and also a cult and I'm like, oh, okay,
well put that shit in a blender and give it
to me any way you want. It's kind of how
I felt. And then you watch it and it's like
this multi media experience, like they actually produced songs for

(01:50:17):
the aging pop star who is John Malkovich. So John
Malkovich sings three songs, we get to hear the songs.
It's it's like, I don't know, man, I found it
completely relevatory, so like enveloping and like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
What genre would you call this?

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
I guess it's it's horror in the sense that horrific
things happen. But it a lot of the complaints I
guess I saw in the letterbox reviews where people saying
it was too much like things like the menu and
and like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
That's this weird backlash to insulting movies by calling them
like the menu in so and so the menu in
this place of work, Like it's a it's an odd
thing where I feel like that movie, which I love,
like tipped people a certain way, where as soon as

(01:51:15):
they can see that movie in another movie, they instantly
kind of write it off.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
It's it's weird because like, do people not know that
that's how movies get made. You just you basically say.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Oh I heard on a plane diard.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Yeah, so this is this is face off but they're
both women, or like this is I'm looking at just
looking at my movies. This is the descent, but instead
of creatures, it's like a cult.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Like I don't know, like you just that's how we're
there's only so many stories to tell and whom we're
told them all and now we are just rewriting them content. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
So like so to and also to reduce it down
to that is to me not to be like my
own ass. But it's missing the point a bit because
the story is about class, but it's all also about
creativity in class. So there's this kind of the overarching
theme of it is that the creative people should be

(01:52:09):
at the top essentially, and everyone else should exist to
allow their creativity. And it's kind of like, well, that's
a different view of class. It's not necessarily driven by money.
Of course things in this story are driven by money,
but it's not essentially the only thing. It's also about
like are you a more deserving human being because you're

(01:52:31):
a creator versus a consumer? And I thought that was
an interesting question to ask me the viewer of this film.
Plus there's the songs. Plus Io is beautiful, wonderful, hilarious.
Amber mid Thunder is in it, and she's so lovable
and funny. It's confusing, in strange in it. In it

(01:52:54):
it's off putting at times and kind of gross at
other times. I don't know, it's like it is beautiful.
There's like the way that they like introduced the title card.
I was just like, Oh, we're making a fucking movie.
I guess it's so exciting to feel like you're watching
like a passion project, you know, I know what you mean.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
I felt that a little bit with when I sat
down the other day for Everyone Will Burn, because I
feel like I watched a lot of kind of like
crappy or just you know, like little things here and there,
and I sat down to that and the way it
opens and the like the music us during the credits,
I have that same feeling of like woo, like I'm
putting everything away, like like you could see me like
taking my arms and like brushing everything off my chair

(01:53:38):
to move forward and lean in and be like I'm
watching this movie. I'm not doing anything else. I'm watching
this movie. And it's exciting when you're like I'm watching
a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
Yeah, And it felt that way.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
It really did.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
And I think Zach did a little bit of digging
on the on the filmmaker. I guess he maybe was
a writer for GQ, which.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
That's what came up. Yeah, because I guess, yeah, last
first film.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
So that informs it too a lot. It's like, I
don't know, man, it was a lot of fun and
I get like maybe the criticisms of it and it
was a little weird and stuff engross and nice, but like,
I don't know, guys, why do we not like something
just because triangle sadness exists? Like we should be we

(01:54:19):
should be allowed to. It's almost like the people not
remember like when the Slasher happened and then everything was
just a slasher with a different holiday or setting or
weird hook or weapon. It's like, just enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
Wait, this is how it goes. You can get tired
of it. You could say like, yeah, I'm kind of
over those kinds of movies or this take on that
story again, Like I know, I certainly feel that way
on certain things. Sure, but it's not you know, like
in ten years you're gonna and just I mean just
the fact that we are now in a place where
everybody is craving late nineties content and early two thousands content,

(01:54:56):
like it's gonna happen like it. Let it might not
hit you now, but it will circle back and then
you'll say, gee, why do we all sleep on that?

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
So I exactly, And it's kind of like, oh, I'm
so glad we had that class consciousness boom of the
like of the twenty twenties or something it's just I
take a step back and don't dislike a movie because
it resembles another popular movie. It's weird, but that's that's
how it's always gonna be. Yeah, when it comes to
like regular streaming, because I don't think it's like it's

(01:55:26):
not yet.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
It's rentable for like twenty bucks right now, So I
will scream.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
About it because I feel like people should watch this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
Yeah, I want to see it, so remind me when
the time comes.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Yes, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
Nice. That was a good batch of stuff. I think
so too.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
I feel like I'm walking away with a little list
of things you may.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
Same here, same, all right, excellent. Well that's about it
for us. I guess when let's let's talk off Mike
about what we might want to do next, because now
I've got ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Yeah, okay, sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
All right, so everybody fine. Christine christin Meekpeas dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
Yeah, go buy your books they're great. Thank you, and
read your stuff. It's fabulous.

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
Thank you. Same with Emily. I think she's still blogging.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Yeah, I am Daily dollas House dot com. You can
read stuff about many of the movies I talked about now, yeah,
all right, Well we will probably be next. We don't
know if we're going to sound different on zoom. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
I hope I have a robot voice.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
Oh, I hope I have it. I don't know what
kind of voice I want. Maybe you know, something with
it with a little twirl to it, a little panache.
I don't know what that would mean.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Yeahsatlantic transatlantic?

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Oh okay, I could just the next time we record,
I'm just gonna be Katherine Eppurn.

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
Ha's that. Yeah, I think you should. I have a
sucker for a transatlantic accept so I would not stop.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
I know what my homework is, all right, everybody, thanks
for listening.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
Goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
My mind's made up.

Speaker 8 (01:56:57):
I've got to work memory, lose calories, and now I'm
nda nourished. So you, oh God, I'll serve you right.
You want the world, you'll have to fight the world
belongs to the young. That's an order. So I hear,

(01:57:19):
salute and praise them, or hold your tongue even better, disappear.
They say that I have had my day. It's time
for someone else to dance. They say I want to
crawl away.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
There's off not a chance. I want it all again
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