185. Catchup 2020s Style

We’re stopping in for a quick catchup episode on our recent watches for 2020s era films! We close with a full detailed dive into Final Destination: Bloodlines, but before that, catch some non-spoiled discussion on:
Drop
Saw X
The Blackening
Another Simple Favor
Woman of the Hour
Sinners
My Mom Jayne
The Monkey
The Ugly Stepsister
Fear Street: Prom Queen
The Dark and the Wicked
Friendship
Juror #2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
We are week media.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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little bug. That's I wrote this song.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome back to another episode of the Feminine Critique. I'm
Emily and I am Christine, and today we're gonna do
a ketchup. But we decided to organize our ketchups in
a little bit of a way that maybe makes some sense.
So what kind of ketchup are we doing today, Christine?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Today we're doing a twenty twenties release catchup, you know,
to stay modern and fresh, Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You know, otherwise I might be talking about nineteen fifty
five's Carousel and Rebel meta cause. So yes, instead, we
are doing this era recent watches from recent years of
twenty twenties. This mostly kicked off because if you listen
last week, you know that we both saw a little
movie called Final Destination Bloodlines and have a lot to

(01:22):
say about it. So we will do that. We're gonna
get to that at the end because we're going to
go into a lot of detail on it will spoil things.
So we've this way. Everybody has a chance to not
hear all of that. But until then, we're gonna talk
again twenty twenties. Then you know, next time we'll do
a different episode, and then we might come back and
talk about watches from the nineteen eighties or the twenty
tens or the nineteen seventies. Who knows, it can be wild.

(01:43):
We're just going to keep you on your toes. How
about that, Christine?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I love it, honestly, mix it up right.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, it's up on the edge. So with that, what
is your latest most current hip watch that all the
kids are watching now?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Hip watch? I don't know about all that. I will
say we said twenty twenties, right, but I a lot
of these are just twenty twenty five movies.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I don't know why. That just is apparently where I've
been at. But so most of them are recent releases.
So I'll try not to spoil things because like I
don't want to discourage anybody. But I just asked you
if I had seen the movie Drop or talked about
the movie, if you had talked.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
About it, not if you had seen it, but I
cannot tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, honestly, that would be a question that I would
ask somebody though, So I guess what I was gonna
say was, have you seen twenty twenty fives drop?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I have not seen twenty twenty five drop? I know
this was Megan Faky right from the White Lotus, is it?
Maybe I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Know any of that blondish woman. Yeah, she's in it.
That a woman by that name is in ith.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Okay, Okay, so I roughly know what this says, but
I did not see it.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So so it's I'll just give you the quick pitch
on it. It's a lady goes to a restaurant and
she keeps getting air dropped like threatening or like mean
messages and pictures and stuff, and there's like a plot
going on and she has to like do something.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay kind of SiO. Yes, very that I still.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Be No. This would be a good double feature with
Red Eye. This was good, And I only want to
bring it up was because if you like me, fetishize
the restaurant industry, If you like me, want to watch
some a waiter turn their entire section and see a
real realistic depictions of restaurant operations. You should you should

(03:40):
watch this because you could see a table get sat,
you could watch them eat, they got their bill dropped,
they left, and then somebody cleaned that table. It was
like the energy put into the making making this restaurant
run realistically. I don't even remember what happened in this movie,

(04:00):
but I can tell you that it.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Was very so I will say my understanding is this
movie didn't do particularly well, that it was kind of
a box office disappointment, and I it's clear why now.
It's because they missed the main selling point of Drop,
which was not about Megan Fahey receiving threatening air drops.
It was actually watch the restaurant industry do its job.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's just really cool because like sometimes you'll see restaurant
based movies and like like like background extras will flop
in and out of existence, or like a server will
just be wandering around not doing it.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
You get your food right away, and then nobody actually
eats it. They just put their napkins down and walk away. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
It was like he would he would bring a wine
list and then bring wine and then take the appetizer
order and then bring. It was just really sad.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's a great way to time a movie, too, like
to put it in a real time where you are
actively thinking, like, well, they're on their appetizer, so that
means they've been here for about twenty minutes. Like that,
that is an fascinating window in to a movie that
I would never think. But also like when I think
we you and I both talked about this, like how

(05:06):
annoying it is to watch a movie and realize the
filmmakers have like something detailed a niche, and nobody on
that crew who knows anything about it. Like again, I
made the joke about Saturday Night when they're making like
comments about triple axles, I'm like, triple axles weren't a
thing in nineteen seventy and it can really like if

(05:27):
you're in the know, it just takes you out. So
that's a very interesting thing of like there is a
somebody was disciplined and detailed and said no this, but
this background thing is going to be important, And I
like that.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
So for that reason alone, I highly recommend it because
it's the most realistic restaurant operation that I've ever seen
in a film. Maybe unless it's like about like working
in a restaurant. But even then sometimes it doesn't make
true true listin yes, I digress, but yes, I would
say check it out. That performances are good too, and

(05:57):
like if you like a thriller, like and we like thrillers,
we do, I say it's a it's a solid modern thriller.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
One of these days I'll get too. Uh. And on
that note, I kept saying, well, I'll get to this
when it's streaming. I'll get to this when it's streaming
somewhere that I don't have to pay for because it
felt wrong to it. Just again, We've talked about this,
how we both have so many services that it feels
wrong to ever have to pay for something streaming directly
for it obviously we're paying all the time. So I
had a night where it was like a week night,

(06:26):
but I think Brannon had something to do where he
wasn't going to be home, and I'm like, okay, it's
kind of like a night to myself. How do I
use this? What should I do? Like, Okay, I'm gonna
eat something I don't normally eat. I'm gonna watch what
am I gonna watch? This is the night I keep
doing that Amazon thing where you you know, push deliveries
later so you get digital credits. I'm like, I have
a lot of digital credits. The time has come for

(06:47):
me to sit there and rent Saw X.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh. I wait, I have not seen but not Spiral
from the books.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
No, no, not not from the ka iaw.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I watched Spiral from the Book of Saga, which.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Is the worst SAW to me. I think Spiral from
Noaksaw is very dull and weird and unpleasant and predictable,
and I didn't like it at all.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I will say that this is the second time I've
watched it, and I think I kind of like it.
I can't justify why which one Saw X.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Though, Okay, saw X is glorious. Saw X is so Jigsaw.
I know you know, you know, you know the man. Yes,
I believe you're familiar. Okay, So it takes place. It
is a who is somewhere in the timeline I think
it's I guess it's probably somewhere between like one and
two maybe, And it is like Jigsaw has been diagnosed

(07:43):
with cancer and he's like nearing, you know, and he
finds out about this experimental treatment that is not covered
by insurance. Saw six that's where that comes into play.
But this is unrelated. I mean it's related to that,
but not so he like flies down to Mexico for
this special treatment. And the first like thirty minutes of
this movie, Christine, are just Jigsaw getting cured, going to Mexico,

(08:07):
meeting other people who've been cured, talking to doctors, kind
of looking at the sunrise, looking at the sunset, feeling good.
And I am watching this thinking like this is like,
is anybody gonna die? What if nobody dies in this movie?
This is incredible? And then, of course, and I don't
want to spoil it.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I did watch it, and I just found my review
of it, and you.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Remember, do you remember like how long it takes to
get to it being saw?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yes, because my review of it is so I watched
this back in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I guess I don't really remember, probably right around when
it came out.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Five stars for that gorgeous woman who was being mean
to John Kramer, so clearly I wasn't getting much out
of it.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh she was. She was a great adversary. She was
like the best adversary for Jigsaw. Yeah, mean blonde woman.
Oh it's glorious. You get because you get Shawnie Smith
with the worst haircut, and like, this is worse than
than Gail in Scream three Burtney Cox, Like, this is
worse than that. This is a pixie cut with those

(09:12):
same bangs. It is terrible, but it's like really sweet
because it's the two of them working together. You get
to see a dynamic with them that like I think
the movie's hinted at, but you never quite saw because
I think by the times they were having them both
on camera together it was like, no, a man just
crazy and this is like a little bit before she
gets a little too intense. I love this. I had

(09:35):
such a good time with it. I loved how patient
it was.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
And not what Saw movies are usually known for.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Me No, and this really it took its time. It
felt like a love letter to like dedicated Saw fans
who like would know every reference, who would who were
like kind of probably written fan fiction about Amanda and
so on. But also it felt like it was very
much a g Tobin Bell and Shawnie Smith like as

(10:03):
if it was hey, like, like, Tobin, we know we've
killed you like eight times in these movies, and we
can keep bringing you back with flashbacks or this and that,
like so, and I almost wonder if, like he I
don't think he was like a producer on it or anything,
but it almost feels like it was a conversation of, like, so,
what are the ports of John Kramer's life that we
should see? And it was like, well, you know, when
you're diagnosed with you know, with cancer, Like there's a

(10:25):
lot there of what that might have been. Hey, wait
a minute, And he just feels like it gives him
a showcase and get gets to see him play off
of again Shawnie Smith in a way we haven't seen.
We get to see him be really vulnerable and oh,
my cat just jumped to my shoulder. Uh it's she
has a lot to say about John Kramer. She would

(10:45):
be Amanda if we're casting. I mean, obviously yeah, without questioning.
Better haircut though, but I don't know. I don't think
you would satisfy somebody that like. But it reminds me
back in the day when Saws were out and like
somebody who dropped into Saw six, it was like I
didn't really know what was going on, right, because it's.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
A huge problem I have now because of you, partially
I have now watched the franchise from tip to tail
multiple times, and I still don't fucking know which one is.
It's a running gag in my household because for some reason,
Zach can remember them better. So I'll be like, wait,
which one, and He'll have to give me like the
most random little it's it's the one where she gets

(11:28):
pushed by the door, and it's like.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Oh, that one. It's the one where this character says game.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Over, and I'll be like, oh, okay. But we also
tried to do a watch through with one of my
my friends who might listen to this episode.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Hi Abby if you.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Do, and we kept like stalling out, and like Abby
would be like, wait, which one do you? What? Do
we just watch? Though? Okay, so that one's this? Then
it's so hard to like remember unless you're like super
into it for some reason.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
No, it's a lot of detail, it'll lot of characters.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
You're it's unusual. It's unusual.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
It is it has asked more out of horror fans
than any other franchise, right, because no other franchise kept
the story throughout rightween, you have seven different timelines, like,
so you never have a story that goes on for
more than three films, Like I mean, Jason has no continuity,
Like there really is nothing like it, and I respect

(12:25):
the hell out of that. And I found this very enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's it's definitely a weird trade of the series that
like is I think is more should be at this point,
more of a selling point than a great it but
like it is a lot to bite off like that
many movies just to get this weird line of like
insurance issues.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
But it works, and it directly back to Saw six.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
It's true, it really does. Now see Saw six. I
do see Saw six. Saw six is one that I
can remember.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
I do like because it's the healthcare one, and it
is I think the the best. It's one of the best.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's one of the best.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
I forget where my rankings are currently, but I think
Saw six is always like kind of my number one.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
It is one of the best.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
But I mean Saw X is gonna be like number
two or three. I've really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, it's it was weird. I have to I don't
want to say this out loud. I have to rewatch
this this you do no not again.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I already mentioned Spiral. I don't recommend it, but I
watched it a good time. I'm just gonna quickly say
if you haven't I rewatched The Blackting If if that's
a movie you haven't checked out, yeah, everyone, you should
watch it because it actually was better the second time.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I could see that. I could see because I feel
like that that's a movie where when you really don't
know how how do I say it? Like how dark
it's gonna get right, who's gonna die or not gonna die?
Like it means that first watch is very like you're
enjoying it, but you're also maybe a little like hesitant
in a way.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's a tentative watch. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, because.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It's like I could see how that would watch better
a second time.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, I watched another simple favor I did too. Okay, Okay,
I don't This is not a great sign. I don't
remember it a ton, but my my review for it
is sometimes very funny and charming, and I think that
is a good encapsulation. I really liked the first one
thought one. I've seen it more than once, Like I

(14:24):
thought it was good. This was fine, but like lacked
a lot of like the ease and the joy of
the first one. It felt laborious and like not fun
most of the time.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, I I feel like this is the epitome of
a watch while doing other things. Movie. Yeah, I definitely
watched it while cooking and occasionally made sure like I looked,
I'm like, oh wait, let me pause and get closer
and look at that outfit, because that, to me was
like the selling point was the fashion was really great. Yeah,

(14:59):
Blake Lively knows how to wear clothes. I think she
is having a lot of fun in it. I think
that the I don't know. I think everybody's mileage on
Lively varies for a lot of different reasons and a
lot of different ways. But I think when she is
playing this kind of part, like when she is the
cool girl, like you realize like, oh, very few people

(15:19):
can do this, and I think she is underrated in
being able to. So it looked great obviously, like the
visual they're in Italy, It's gorgeous. The fashion is insane.
It just the actual story to me didn't do much.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
I mean I chuckled here and there, and I'm not
angry at it the way I think some people were
who maybe had high expectations. I knew going into it
that everybody had nobody had good things to say about it,
So I think that helped because the things I found
were like, well, but I mean, no movie looks like this, So.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I had no problem with it. But it's kind
of hard to not compare it to its literal counterpart, right,
like not even just like other Paul fig movies or
Anna Kendrick movies, like just it exists the version of
this that was like fucking a home run. Yes, so
it's kind of for me, it was a little hard
to not be like, well, like, okay, I guess say it.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
On the Anna Kendrick note. I also watched her directorial debut,
Woman of the Hour.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Oh I have watched this.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I did not know you had.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, I watched it. I think when it first kind
of showed up or something, it.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Was like a year or two ago. I think, yeah,
I liked it a lot. I did, do you?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, I as I think we've talked about this, like,
I'm not a big like rip from the headlines person.
Those stories kind of make me feel itchy sometimes, but again,
this is, first of all, is a story from forty
years ago, and I think she watching this reminded me
a lot of reading The Shining Girls, which I did
not see as a show. I know it was a show, yeah,

(16:59):
but doing this thing as far as taking a story
that is people like are riveted by because it's it's
dead young women, right and everybody loves a dead young
woman and basically taking it away from the murderer and
instead kind of centering it on the women or what

(17:20):
like what it would mean to be a woman in
the scenario. I think he did a great job of
making the man very like he's he's not he's scary
because we see him do very violent things, but it's
not like, oh I understand, how like like, no, this
isn't Ted Bundy, Like this is just a psychiatic, you know,
a psychotic man who could blend in places and wasn't

(17:41):
exceptional in all this, and instead let's focus on the women.
And I thought it felt very much like it was
a female point of view as far as there's a
lot of like little things in like how everybody like
talks to each other, but how like the makeup artists
talk to her differently than the male, right, Like it's
very much from the eyes of like, oh, yeah, you

(18:03):
know what. It's really scary to be a woman, and
this is just one encapsulation of it, but it's also
going on every day. So yeah, I thought it was
I thought it was good.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah. I think Anna Kendrick did a great job, yes,
like from every angle. So I would like to see
her do more stuff because they they actually if you
watch the youtubes they Trixy and Katia Drag queens if
you don't know, talk do like queens who like to
watch I like to watch and they watch Netflix stuff,
And they watched this movie and they really hit even

(18:37):
though it was hilarious and they do jokes, they really
hit on just how terrifying and visceral a lot of
like the violences, but not in like a fetishistic way.
It just feels really like realistic. And I appreciated that
they even brought it up when they were making jokes
because it was hard to It's hard to ignore like

(18:57):
how visceral a lot of like the sphyxy stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, I mean this is a man who would rape
and strangle women and then sometimes like abuse them after that.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it was he was
absolutely brutal and you you feel it's not like again
the easiest point of view is to have the camera
on the woman while like from the point of view
of the man, and it's not doing that, or if

(19:23):
it is, it feels like it is coming from women.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I liked it a lot. Yeah, it's definitely not one
of those if you're not into that style of film. Hey,
have you seen Sinners?

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Not yet? No one. It just came out HBO. So
by the next time we talk, I probably will have.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's the only reason I asked, because I know, like
you just talked about, we will often wait for something
to hit streaming, although I do that less now. I'm
much more into vod now that I don't go to
the movie theater.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
You' that's what people should be doing. I say that,
and I don't do it. But we should. We all
should be.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I get movies. But I saw Sinners twice. Nice now
and when once you see it, maybe I will have
seen it a third time. Talk about it?

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay, you love it? Right?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
I there. I think that's an understatement. I know that
everybody's like going nuts for it, and there's, like I
know me at least, there's that desire to be like,
come on, everybody. No, it's it's a masterpiece. It's trans
it plays better the second time, at least for me.
Kind of like what you we were talking about whatever

(20:31):
we were talking about the black Yeah that it's it's
like you don't know, but once you know the story,
after the first watch your you can be allowed to
enjoy certain moments and certain things more, I guess because
you're not so worried.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Mm hm yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
So like it's definitely big thumbs up and I can't
wait to.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm so excited to watch it. Yeah, I'll get to it,
I promise I will. On the HBO note, something else
that dropped on HBO recently is the documentary by Marishka,
which and now I know it's Marishka, not Mariska, Marishka Hardigay,
who made a documentary called My Mom Jane and it
is about her, uh because if you know, and obviously

(21:11):
I don't know if this is a surprise to anybody,
but like I'm a big fan of Marishka. I may
have watched Lonard or Sfu like once or twice, I
don't know, Like you might be able to turn on
an episode and I can look at it and within
like about eight seconds tell you what season, it is
what episode it is. I can do that by sound
or by Olivia's haircut, you know, like that kind of thing.

(21:32):
It's fine. So I was very excited to see that
she had made a movie and this is it. It's
I think it's riveting for those who don't know. Marishka
Hargaday is Hardigae is Hargate tay or Hargity is the
daughter of Jane Mansfield, who was a very very famous
actress in the fifties sixties, in the kind of Marilyn

(21:52):
Monroe old. She died very tragically, very paparazzi friendly in
a way of she was in a car accident, died.
The kids were in the car when it happened, and
Mrshka was only three years old when this happened. So
the movie is basically her saying, I don't have memories
of my mother. I was too young. I don't know

(22:14):
if I have like real memories or if these are
memories that were fed to me, and I don't know
who she was really in a way, so it's her
kind of like exploring this. So it's very much a
documentary about this woman, but there's so much more that
comes with that because she has siblings who are older
than her, who have different memories, she has half siblings
of different ways that have a whole different kind of

(22:35):
element to her life. And again, if you are a
fan of this woman, then obviously it's well worth it.
But I think anybody who I think documentary fans will
certainly get a lot out of it. I think there's
a lot of I mean, just family stuff and family dynamics.
I found it very touching. I definitely like, did tear
up quite a few times. So it's not like a

(22:57):
really lighthearted watch, but it's very moving. So I thin
recommend from me.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
No I had. I didn't even know that existed. Ah,
So clearly.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
You don't follow her on on Instagram and constantly, like
you know, see her going to premieres and then seeing
her fool around with with with.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Uh Chris Maloney, No, I don't, but I do understand
you have a different relationship.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I do, Yes, I do, yes, you know, in in
my dreams, like me, Olivia Benson, Jessica Fletcher, like we're
just on a beach somewhere telling stories, you know, playing
Marco polo. It is great.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, aim big right m M hmm, yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I I should talk about the Monkey.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
You should talk about the Monkey.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Because you told me I haven't yet you have.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Not, and I am curious if I will ever like
an Oscar Perkins film. So tell me if I like
this one?

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Did you you haven't seen it?

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Okay? Do you wait?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
You didn't like Long Legs? Speakuse? I said it was
too much like Silence of the Lambs.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, it was too much like if Silence of the
Lambs was too confusing for somebody, or like was a movie.
Long Legs just felt like the dumbest version of SAAL's
The Lambs I've ever seen. I could not. I still
think about how dumb things in that movie were.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
That's fair. I loved Long Legs. I do understand, though,
I yeah. So I cannot weigh in on whether or
not you'll enjoy The.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Monkey, Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I was completely one hundred percent ready to hate it.
I actually put off watching it like it released on
VOD and Zach was like, okay tonight and I was
like no, and tonight, no, I don't think I ever
want to watch it, and I and it was just
because I don't want to. I don't know. It had
a bit of an energy about it, and it was

(24:48):
very divisive. I don't know if you've caught that.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, oh yeah, No. I saw people that loved it
and people that said it was very dumb. So I'm like, wow,
I'll probably think it's dumb. But well, I.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Tell other than the Pretty Thing that was in the House,
which is a perfect film. I had a problem with
the end of Gretelin Hansel because I'm I'm you know, picky,
I guess, And then I still don't understand Black Coat's Daughters.
Not like I don't understand it. I've read, I've edited
pieces about that movie, and it's like I've based on
what this person wrote, this is my favorite movie. And

(25:20):
then I saw that movie and I'm like, wait a second,
what am I not understanding here? So I was very hesitant.
This movie fucking kicked ass. It ripped. It was so good.
It's hyper violent, absolutely absurd, legitimately funny. It has like

(25:41):
like final destination set up energy, like because like I guess,
the monkey is like the specter of death. Okay, I guess,
like like it like unleashes the specter of death. But
like I don't know if you would like it, though,
because I could see somebody not enjoy. Like my mom
started watching it and she texted me what am I watching?

(26:04):
And I was like, Okay, I don't know if you're
ever gonna get on.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
For I mean, you know, I tend to agree with
your mom on movie is quite often.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's true. I would say one hundred percent you should
watch it.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
At some point, I definitely will give it a go.
I'm not gonna seek it out. I will not vod it,
but when it hits some somewhere I will watch it.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I vow it is nothing like his other movies in many, many,
many ways.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Interesting, that might bode well.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Okay, he wrote it too right, he needs to work
with a screenwriter. That's I think that's my issue with him.
I think.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I wouldn't disagree with that. No, there's a different right.
Oh no, it's him his little face. But he's okay actually,
now that I'm looking at that. So you know how
like Mike Flanagan is a huge Stephen King adaptation guy.
So you know, like the way that Flannagan approaches King

(27:00):
is like he takes almost all of the best like
character stuff and emotionality, and he like cuts out maybe
some of like the less stuff that doesn't work, and
he really elevates the basic emotional idea.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, it's like Oz is doing kind of almost like
the reverse, and he's taking all of like the stupidest,
like biggest, flashiest, ridiculous stuff and just fucking leaning into it.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Which in theory I should really like. So maybe maybe
with the monkey, because the monkey is kind of it's
like it's horror comedy or.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's yeah, it's a silly story.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
And I think that if, like, if Long Legs had
like been clearer about its campiness, maybe I would have
enjoyed it more. But it felt like Long Legs was
trying to be serious and scary and I just found
it dumb. So I wonder if the monkey, like knowing
like watching it as no, this is this is is

(28:00):
we are laughing and you hopefully you're laughing to you,
that might work better for me.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well I have such high hopes now then okay, okay,
all right, we're gonna see I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
All right, So one that I highly recommend. I don't
know that you've seen this, but it is on shutters
now most probably our listeners can find it The Ugly Stepsister.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
I have not watched it yet.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I'm a little afraid of it.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
I loved it, Oh really, Yeah, it's gross. It has
a lot of like lead moments in various different ways,
like I don't know some things from like there were
things for me that didn't bother me visually in other
things that I was like, oh yeah, that's really hardly.
But it is a first time director. I believe she's like,
it's like your first filmount of film school, and this

(28:45):
is like damn, I cannot wait to see what else
she does, because this is a confident fucking movie for
your debut. It's a period film with kind of modern touches.
It sort of has like a little bit of like
Marie Antoinette quality to it in that way.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
It's visual incredible. Costumes are great, the the effects and
the just visual decisions. Like something I love is when
you're watching a movie set in I guess it's supposed
to be the seventeen hundreds, maybe early eighteen hundreds, but
like people were kind of gross then, even if they
were like high society, they were like very powdered because
they're not they're still only nathing once a week and everything,

(29:20):
and this movie feels like that, Like everything feels like
I don't want to smell this room. I bet this
room smells like powder and flowers and also dirt and
sweat from a week, and so likeviserally, this has so
much going for it. Lead actresses great. I think this movie,
it's it would make a perfect pairing with the substance
because it is kind of telling the same kind of

(29:43):
story of it, like patriarchy suck, we shouldn't give into them,
but you know what sucks more is a woman who
just completely gives into it. And so it just thematically
like there's so much there. I found this really really rich,
like I've really love this and I hope you would.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I can see it not working for everybody for different reasons.
I think there was something towards the third act that
I was like, ah, I feel like if this was
the play, if this character was the real villain, that
I wish we had more of this character. I won't
say more about that, but it's there. But the ending
of this movie was so damn satisfying. This was one
of those movies that I ended and I was just like, ah,

(30:23):
I actually feel really good. So I cannot speak highly
enough about this one.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I obviously it's on my list, and obviously I need
to watch it. And when it when it was making
the rounds, it was like people were super passionate about it.
But I don't know. I you know me, I don't
like unpleasant things sometimes. This is this has been ongoing
for the last five years.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
When you're in a mood where you're like, I can
handle something unpleasant, then give it a watch. It has
And again, let me say the ending is I'm I'm
not smiling. You leave this movie, I think feeling pretty good.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, well that's good.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
That's good to know.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
That's a good note.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, sometimes I get bold, Okay, I used that boldness
to do something unpleasant, though, and I'm wondering if if
you yourself have experienced this unpleasantness.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Oh no, and.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's the uh New Fear Street movie. No.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I have not heard anybody whose opinion I respect speak
highly of it, so I just have sat back on it.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I think maybe that's for the best.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I can't say one nice thing about it other than
like it takes a lot to make a movie.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, that's it's disappoint I mean, I know it's not
Lee Jen Yak, I can't remember her name. It's not
the same director as the last one, so I wasn't expecting,
you know, the same treatment. But it's yeah, it just
seems like there is nothing. I haven't heard anything that
made me say like I'm gonna check it out. Like
and it sounds like you're agreeing with that.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, I'm a little like I don't know how Netflix
were and I don't know how pitching for and writing
for them, but the writer director No Shade has seems
to have no reason to have been involved in this
movie that I can whereas like Legianic, I feel like understands,
like you know, the base materials and also like maybe
being a teenage human and like this is like a

(32:21):
dude that made like a violent, moved like an actiony movie.
I don't know, I'm not gonna judge anybody's like right
to make anything, but when you have a thing that's
like a prom movie, like we all at this point
can kind of just agree that maybe when that's made
from a place of like maybe like a person who

(32:41):
was like really passionate about prom and maybe like really
into dresses and going and like or like lived the
experience of it. They can write a more authentic story.
And there's fucking nothing here, man. I mean it's so
sad because I mean you look at the other three
and you know it can be done. Yeah, those were
more complex, they were like interweaving stories.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
This is just good. That was an accomplishment. That Fear
Street trilogy is a like genuine accomplishment of a film project.
When you when you think about how everything those three
very different movies, but yet like they feel of the
same universe. Even though they are wildly different, they tie together.
They say, oh yep, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
This this is the antithesis of that. And and I
guess this is this is Netflix as well, So I
will say, if you ever don't want to watch these things,
but you kind of want to be up to date.
Trixie and Katia also talked about this move.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think that is the way I should probably watch it.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
But there's some there's some good good air quotes, good,
there's some like really gnarly gags in it, but like
it's it's very over the top, which I didn't necessarily
feel like the first ones had. It was just not fun.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I won't give it any more of my my precious breath.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah. I have a movie that wasn't fun at all,
but that some people seem to really like, and I
thought it was just a miserable experience. It is on shutter.
It is from a couple of years. Wait, was this weight?
I might be breaking my own rules? Was this twenty twenty?
Hang on? Oh no, oh no, it's twenty twenty exactly.
So okay, this was the Dark and the Wicked. Oh

(34:22):
that farmhouse demon?

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Think I ever watched I just watched the trailer a
fucking miserable movie directed by the guy who did The Strangers,
and it feels like, Okay, this guy's just a nihilist.
Like I like The Strangers. I think The Strangers is
a very good film. And part of what makes it
good is that it's just brutal. It's just an absolute
Here's a couple and they're gonna get tormented, and you
know this going in and here you go and this
is kind of similar. It's like there's a demon setup

(34:48):
and maybe this is how you fight it. Yeah, maybe
you don't. I don't know. And it just like, for me,
I'm watching this, I'm like, I don't what am I
missing here? Because it's not to me. It wasn't scary.
There's some good there's some good jumps, but like it
does the it thing where it's like, oh, I know
this is Oh no, nobody else is gonna see it.
Oh no, nobody else is gonna see it. This is
gonna happen seven more times and then it's gonna be real,

(35:08):
and then the movie's gonna end. So I hated it.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
That's a shame. Yeah, there's got to be a reason
why I know the trailer, but I didn't watch it.
So something hanged when I when I looked into it
and was like, I don't know about this.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
All right, So any other recent twenty twenties.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, I'm just gonna say that. I don't know if
it's streaming it because I vodd it, but everybody should
watch Friendship, the Tim Rabinson Harry Right movie.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I really enjoyed it. It was really uncomfortable to watch. People
said it. I saw like the sentiment, oh, it's more
like a horror movie, and it's like, you know what
kind of kind of it's very tense and unpleasant.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Nice, nice. I look forward to getting to it eventually.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I'm I'm sure it'll end up somewhere.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'm excited to watch it because again
you turned me on to him because I had never
seen I think you should even then I did and said,
this is life like, this is just genius.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
So I hope you enjoy it. I have many that
I need to follow up with you on now, I
guess oh, yes, yes, all right.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
And then the last one I'll mention for twenty twenties
just because it was so stupid. We were talking about
how I think Osgard Perkins movies sometimes are very stupid,
but you know it's stupider stupid duror number two, what's that?
This was the Clint Eastwood movie where Nicholas, which is
the dumbest setup of any world. Nicholas holds but ends

(36:38):
up on a jury and it is a manslaughter trial
where a man hit a woman and she died and
he realizes I think I'm actually the killer, and that's
you know that itself is like okay, fine, sure we
can have a convoluted plots to get to something, but
the way this movie unfolds, it's like if it feels
like it was written by a fifth grader that like

(37:00):
when you did you play those like you'd be the
jury type?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, yeah, games.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Like when you're a little right, right, and like that's
what it feels like. The understanding of how this would
work is just so stupid because at one point I'm like,
is this movie taking place in like nineteen sixty, Like
is there something I'm missing about why things are working
the way they are? But no, it's just really dumb.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
So that's that's kind of damning, because that's all you
want from something.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Like that, right, I mean, you just want like a
good mystery, good like, oh, how are we gonna get
out of this one type thing? And it's and like
you've got ridiculously good actors in this thing just being wasted,
like Leslie Bib. This is the euar of Leslie Bib
just getting cast in high profile of projects and being
given nothing. Because the same thing happens on The White

(37:45):
Lotus where she you could tell like, oh, she's got
a character here, she's got something to do, and then
they just do not give her an arc at all,
and that's like she's just one of the jury members.
You're like Okay, I guess she's gonna come into play. No,
she's got a couple of lines and that's it. And
it's just like a lot of that happens, and Tony
collect is the worst attorney I have ever seen in

(38:06):
a movie. It is just bizarre. So it's kind of
like a recommend because I feel like everybody should watch
it to feel better about their own writing abilities.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Oh that's damming, I know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
I mean it because you're watching a movie thinking, like,
like you said earlier, I forget which one it was,
but like, yeah, it's it's hard to make a movie, right,
There's a lot of things that have to fall into place.
You got to have a lot of people working together
on the singular vision. And then you sit back, you're
like everybody bought into this singular vision. But it just
also goes a long way of I think everybody was like, well,
I'm not gonna probably get many more chances to work

(38:41):
with Cly's Eastwood, so sure, I don't need to see
a script. I'll sign into whatever you want to do.
And like he's notorious for doing one like one takes
because he just wants to keep things moving. And this
is a movie where you feel that, so yeah, like
it's not a recommend as being a good movie, but
it was kind of like, oh no, like are you
seeing this so I'm that.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Oh yeah, yikes.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
But having said all of that, we are now here
to discuss the best movie of the year, question mark,
exclamation point.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
The reason for the season.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Reason for the season. And I will tell you because
I can't remember if I said this on mic or
off mic, but I had like a delightful This movie
will also always have a special place in my heart
because it brightened a bad day. We were going on
vacation that day. We were flying down and this was
during obviously air travel is something right now, and everybody

(39:41):
was like, oh, you're not falling out a new work,
are you, because there's been strikes there and everything else.
We're like, no, no, it's like guardy, We'll be fine. So
we get to the airport and as we are trying
to check in, the agent says, oh, you know, your
flight's canceled. We're like, no, we don't know that, because
why would we be here if that was the case.
So our flight was canceled. It was there was a
lot of weathers was during the tornadoes from a couple

(40:01):
of weeks ago, and we ended up having to leave
to get a plane the next morning. So it was
like very frustrating. We lose a day of vacation. And
I look at my husband and I say, well, then
I'm going to go see Final Destination? Are you coming?
He's like, oh, okay, if you did. And we did
go see Bloodlines, and it brightened my day because I
was so happy in that theater, Christine, I was so happy.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I bet, I bet it was a good theater movie.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
It was such a good theater movie. It was not
an overly full theater. I'd say maybe third of the
way full. You had a fair amount of people there.
And it felt very quickly like because this is a movie,
and we'll, you know, dive into it. That is it is.
It is like all the Final Destinations really from tu
on it. I would never call these horror comedies, but

(40:50):
these are movies that have very specific, important senses of humor.
And as long as the audience gets that, it was
so much fun to laugh, Like to start laughing and
hear other people laughing and like realize, oh no, this
is this is funny. We're allowed to laugh at this

(41:11):
the scene and jumping ahead a bit, but there's a
scene where the mother character or the aunt kind of
has like a confession, which I saw coming, but as
it goes, like it's sad because a child has just
died and she is like cheerfully recounting something. And you
heard the audience figure it out as it happened, So

(41:32):
you were you hear this like nervous laughter of like
oh oh, and it was so rewarding. So yes, it
was a good theater experience.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
That's fun. Yeah, I think it would have been fun
to see.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
So what did you vod it?

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah, right right.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
When it became available. And I was like on the
fence about it too, because it was just kind of like,
I don't know, there's no way it's gonna be like
as good, So maybe I should just wait until it's
like somewhere.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Because the franchise ends so well, and we should go
to our what is your rankings? Oh, ranking the franchise quickly?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Four is the least good. Yeah, I don't know it's
changed because I've often asserted that number one has to
be the best one because it starts it and everything
is predicated on that. But in recent years. I think
I don't feel that way, and it's more like personal vibes.
So for me, personal vibes, I would personally have to say,

(42:31):
it's two, three, five, one, four, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Where blood blungs go three five or Okay, I get that,
I get that. Mine would probably be five two one,
like three four, three has grown on me. I know
people love three. Three for Me doesn't have the same

(42:57):
there's something very sad about like, I don't know. Three
just feels more dour than the rest of them, whereas four.
I know it's the worst one, hands down. It is
the worst movie of the entire series, but it's like
so dumb that I kind of am more amused by
it than I know I should be so. I but
in terms of like the top ones, like I five
for Me will always be one of my favorite theatrical

(43:19):
experiences because it is has such good sequences. It has,
I mean, the balance beam like I saw that with Jason,
our good friend Fozzy who and sitting next to him
during that balance scene is something I will never forget
because he was like biting his fingers off intention and
then it has the ending, right, it has this beautiful
twist ending. That is one of the most satisfying endings

(43:43):
because you're like, it was all there. It was there.
It's on me to have not known it. But they
didn't cheat at all. This makes perfect sense. It's beautiful,
it ties everything up, it's gorgeous. So going into six
I agree, I was like, oh, a lot of what's
this gonna be? Like, I don't know, they kind of
ended it perfectly, what are we doing? But fine, I'll
take another one.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
And it's just so good it is. I did definitely
didn't expect it to be cause I know that it
in the trailer. It doesn't necessarily hide the fact that
it'll be adding to the existing lore as opposed to
like retconning stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yes, yes, which I really like. How this fits in
that in that regard.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I wasn't sure though, because it is again it's a
large task. We talked about how interwoven the Saw movies.
For some reason, these are also like that they are
all in the same universe, but also like consistently interwoven
in ways that don't break cannon.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Then don't and that don't usually It's hard to say
because I think you and I have seen all these
so we know, I don't imagine with the exception of
going from one to two, and I guess part five
like I don't think if you. I don't think it's
so tied together that it would like hurt somebody seen
him out of order.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
No, And that's that's hard to do because you're also,
you know, part of a bigger thing, but you have
to be your own standalone thing. And I think that
this one plays well alone. But obviously it plays better
when you have like a deep memory of like all
the other stuff, especially when you get to the Tony
Todd stuff. But I I was not thinking that this

(45:28):
was going to be anything relevatory. Maybe it would be
good or have some good kills. And then people seemed
really passionate about it, which again isn't necessarily a home
run for me. When that starts to come in and
and I'm so glad that I watched it, I prioritized
watching it because it it might be the best one.

(45:51):
Might it might be the best one for me. There
is like a pathos to this film. There isn't an
on we present in this movie. In addition to like
that it is funny and fun kind of like how too,
I feel like two has my favorite sense of humor,
and that might be why I put it first.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I think you're right, because I think the thing about
two that two does. There's a moment I think of
in two quite a lot, which is there's one character
who's kind of like the stoner guy. Uh yes, And
there's a moment near somewhere in like the middle of
the movie when the characters have all kind of figured
out like, Okay, we're all probably going to die, and
he says to the main girl, he says, like, Hey,

(46:32):
since you're gonna die last, I have a favor if
if I die, here's a key. Can you go to
my apartment and like take the box under my bed
and destroy it or hide it. I don't want my
mom finding that. And it's so sweet, like it's just
this tiny character beat for a character that didn't need
any depth, Like we know he's gonna die, he's like
eighth build, but he just gives this moment of like right,

(46:56):
because as much as we're laughing at like laughing and
screaming and cheering when these characters die, it doesn't really
work unless you do think of them as people. And
in that moment, it makes this guy who you know
is going to die somewhat humorously in some fashion, but
it makes you suddenly be like, oh God, he's gonna die.
And that's the beauty of a good horror film.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yep. And I like to that exact fucking point is
that's the exact character I thought of too when you
when I said that same similar thing in too. This
movie has that right, like, yeah, you don't want everybody
to die, but pretty much when you meet So I

(47:40):
prefer I've rewatched parts of this because I wanted to
be a little bit fresh. I prefer the flashback, of
which it is. There's a lot of the flashback in this.
With the flashback and this would be like the revelation
of the plane blowing up or whatever.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I forget what that. There's like a term they use
for these movies for this, and I forget. It's like
the open disaster or something.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, in this k in this movie, the opening disaster
is like a dream of the past. And for me,
that's where this movie fucking sings. But I was talking
about it with Zech and he makes a lot of
really good points. The present day stuff, the current family
dealing with this is all really funny and good. So
to say that the past stuff or the flashback stuff

(48:24):
is the best stuff is wrong because the other stuff
is so good too.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah, I think this it has one of the best openings.
I mean again, we can also rank the openings. But
for me, what what made this hold through was when
you meet the cousins.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I think the Yeah, it's it's outrageously Oh it's they
are so good, and it's the entire family right, because
it's even like the dad and mom. You know, immediately
you're like, this dad is great, Like he just feels
like a genuinely like good guy, and you like, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, and you know he's gonna die. Like you look
in the family, You're like, oh, they're all gone, and
like I was like, oh, it's gonna be really sad
because like he really did want his family to have
a nice batyard and I'm going to enjoy that backyard again.
But I mean the the siblings, and I mean the
brothers who have you know, probably like the most screen
time the I mean the oldest brother is like just

(49:20):
home runs with casting on these characters. I have no
idea how much of it was was improvised, how much
of it was just really good writing, but the dynamic
they have as brothers is so funny, is so sweet yea.
And again, like you're at times, you have characters that
are like acting in quote unquote like bad ways, but

(49:41):
they are doing it for each other in a way
that is completely justifiable. So there's even that. It was
just so good.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Uh yeah, I agree it. It might be my favorite
because I think it does everything I like, maybe the
most successfully of any of the of any of them.
Time will only tell, right, But like I had mentioned
previously when we kind of went off on a tangent
about this, I didn't expect to cry during this movie.

(50:13):
I cried three times. It is really sad and affecting
to me personally. I mean, I'm sure it's sad to
other people, but not just for the Tony Todd thing,
because this has a.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Very for that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, that I absolutely, like, just straight up cried during.
But there's, like I said on Wei and I feel
like I need to back that up a little bit.
There's a sadness in this movie that I don't know
if I'm projecting onto it, but there's a bit of
a hopelessness to it that the inevitability, the rolling inevitability.

(50:49):
But I like it too, because isn't that what horror
movies are supposed to do? Specifically horror movies is like
to take these things that are real and that we're
afraid of and then roll them into a ball and
make them seem less scary because we're like engaging with
them differently. And I appreciate that, because I mentioned this
when we talked about it last. There's a moment when
our flashback girl, our main girl, who is the blonde

(51:11):
young grandmother of ours who.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I will call down because she played Don in the
VC Andrew's adaptation of the Don Books for Lifetime.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Oh interesting. She was not familiar to me at all.
She is outrageously likable, this little lady who I'm gonna
start crying. Oh, she just so like they do the
big like it's a very extended opening disaster.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah, and it's I mean it is. I don't know
how much was done green screen, how much his own what,
but like it's so styled. I think it's very stylish.
It's nineteen sixties. Everybody is dressed like it's madmen. They
look great, and it is I think the most And
I mean I think these all got more extensive as
the series went on, but this one is like it's long,

(52:00):
but it like you're you're waiting for it, but you're
also like, oh, it's gonna oh when it hit, when
it hits, and it's.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
It's a lot of like almost comedic tension building, like
like when is this actually gonna pop off? So that
opening is rad and she's so great and she's so rad,
but like I would argue, she's just as great and
just as rad as every other opening montage protagonist we've had, right,
But it's when we go a little bit later in

(52:28):
the movie when the present day protagonist to granddaughter shows
up and talks to her, the woman who had the
original vision her grandmother, and says like, like what happened?
And her grandmother tells her that she had this vision
and it we now go back back in time to
her reacting to it and the way that she just
made that whole entire thing entirely her fucking problem. It

(52:51):
wasn't just telling, it wasn't making a disruption so that
people got off the plane. She ran around that restaurant,
grabbing pennies out of kids' hands and putting tops on fire.
Like the amount of ownership she had over that fucking
experience made me weep. Yeah, it was so beautiful, it
was and she saved everybody.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
She saved everybody in there. Yeah and no, And what
is also great is that like it's easy to and
nobody knew, but like Tony Todd knew. Yeah, and it
probably took years to fully figure it out. But like
I love this, and like again, if I had a flaw,
it's like, oh, I could have taken another half hour
seeing how the two of them were friends for the
last forty years and how they navigated this and would

(53:34):
text each other and be like, hey, did you see
number seventeen died? Okay, here we go getting closer, because
I mean that's the idea is that they like they
know now, okay we are gonna and again, like not
not to be morbid and bring this to this point,
but I think so many a lot of random movies
I've watched have kind of, like without probably intending to,

(53:54):
have kind of also made me think of the way, like, look,
everybody is gonna die, right, So when you have a
movie that is sort of telling you, okay, yeah you're
gonna die, well, yeah, obviously'm gonna die. Okay, you're gonna
die sometime now after these thirty five people die before you. Well, okay,
then I'm gonna die after the certain pipe. You will die.
You know, there's something very like just I guess neat

(54:18):
how that how you understand how that unfolds and how
the like the idea of I think again, like there's
depth to this screenplay because the mother character, right, so
so it's Iris is the grandma, and then Darlene is
Iris's daughter, right, and Darlene you find out because you're like, okay,

(54:39):
there's something going on with the main character's mother. She
left them, that's you know, what does that mean in
the story? And you find out that basically, like Darlene
grew up with her mother constantly saying like, oh, we're
gonna die after this. This this happens, so you have
to be on guard, you have to be ready and
kind of like how that festered in Darlene. So then
when Darlene had kids, she looked at them and realized,

(54:59):
oh shit, and now I have to protect them and
I can't do this. I am ruining them because every
time I hear you know, horn go, I think it's
gonna be you I think it's gonna be me. And
so there's you know, more character work in this than
is needed and I think is probably in any other
Final Destination movie.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah, it's the reality too. There's something really like poignant
about the grandmother character. Is this like old ostracized crazy
lady who the whole family is just like this lady's
fucking crazy, right, iris she ruined she essentially ruined our
lives basically, But then the reality of it, because we're

(55:38):
in a fucking Final Destination movie, is this woman has
single handedly kept death at bay for so long that
she allowed everyone else on the list to like have lives.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
And to have kids and to have generations of people
and like, yeah, they're all dead now by the end
of this movie. But the same time, like she it
wasn't just that, like, yeah, she saved people that day,
Like no, she saved people in a way that how
much she touched from that and how much you know,
carried on even though they all you know, as we
find out, would have to be wiped out by blood.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Lights, so like you could that could be sad, right,
like oh it was all for nothing, But like the
movie never handles it in a way where you're like,
what a waste of time it because it because there's
weight to the depths. It's like, well, all of this
was important and precious, even if it's gone now, because
these relationships were real and this interaction was real. I like,

(56:32):
I liked it way. It was way much way better
than I hate when people say it needed to be,
but it was. It was like it was. It was
like legitimately amazing or not just a horror movie but
also a movie in this franchise.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah, I think it very clearly came from people who
understood the franchise, who knew what worked, what didn't work,
what this needed. It is a feat of casting. I
guess it's Richard Harmon was the oldest brother. Owen Patrick
Joyner was the younger brother with allergies, and oh my gosh,
some of those scenes were just so funny. The scene

(57:11):
where the again spoiler alert, but guys, it's final destination.
Like spoiler, it's the whole thing everybody does. The scene
where the daughter dies, where the I guess the protagonist
Stephanie is like saying, like, well, all these things could
go wrong. This lawnmower could hit this thing, which could
hit you and then you could fall into the garbage
truck and then it does. One of my favorite things

(57:33):
in any movie is when chaos happens in the background
of a scene and nobody's reacting to it. And when
that started happening, I cackled so loudly in that theater
because I saw it all going. I'm like it because
it just it was a again, a feat of comedic
filmmaking with how it actually gives the soccer ball hits her,

(57:54):
she goes down, it lifts up, drops her in and
in like three seconds, I am laughing so hard.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
It's it's it really is tonally quite a masterclass too.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I don't have one negative thing to say about it.
And even just like I said, I didn't rewatch the
whole thing, just like those blocks of of like in
the past stuff, And still I was like like leaning
forward watching it like I hadn't just watched it. So
it's it's it's got the rewatchability.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Oh yeah, I will definitely watch this again when it
lands somewhere.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, yeah, I would.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I already have the first I like the five pack
of the first.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Five So yeah, that's what I was just gonna say.
I think I have final destination like Blu Ray five pack,
but I'm gonna have to buy it.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Huh, Yeah, you're gonna. They have not announced if they're
doing another one yet. I think this This did really well.
At least it's opening weekend. Yeah, so I would not
be surprised out of curiosity if the directors have anything
else listed. Nothing listed yet. I don't know how. I mean,
these were usually pretty quick when they made them, but

(59:06):
I don't know I would. I would be okay if
this was just this, because I think it was also
a great collaboration of filmmaking team. I know that it's
a pair of directors who work together and then there's
three writers or I don't know if it was three or
if it was because I'm guessing it's like based on
so I I it would take like the right team

(59:29):
to do this again. But this was just great.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
What I agree? I agree. I'm really glad you liked it.
And oh yeah, I'm glad it was so well received
because I would have felt like I was taking crazy
pills if people were into this.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah, same, same. It's funny. One of the writers is
the guy who also has writing credits on a bunch
of movies that I don't necessarily like.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yeah, I know, I was just looking at it.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
It Usually when there's this this is a broad generalization, right,
but usually when there's like a handful of writers on something,
it is usually an indication that maybe it's not that
even toned, or yeah, maybe there's a couple passes from
some different hands on there. But this feel like, I
don't care. There couldn't have been twenty writers attached to this.

(01:00:19):
Great if it takes twenty people to make this movie,
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah. In the end, it came together well completely, Yeah, cool, wonderful.
What a time? What a time?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I know, so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Ah, all right, Well, when next we meet, we will
figure out what we're doing and maybe announce it ahead
of time, or maybe not. We never can remember. But
until then, we hope you all are continuing to enjoy
your summer and not throw up any use off of
my buildings because chaos will rain.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Please don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Don't do it, Just don't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
No, No, goodbye, everybody, goodbye.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
I hear that French girls are very pretty, that they
wear the finest of clothes. I also hear that they
are experts in the ways of love.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Ema.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I'm going to fight for my country, to fight and
yes perhaps die, so that young men from here to
Timbuctoo can feel the wind of freedom blowing through their hair.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
OHMANI I didn't mean to doubt you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
It's just sometimes I feel as if I don't really
know you. I would still pay a penny for your thoughts, a.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Dumb for your dreams, wood shining by a pig at
your schemes, and when you are away so far from
the side, I will cherish my penny's worth to the
last time your bride.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
A penny for your thoughts. Let's call it a deal.
I don't have any secrets, you know how I feel.
A penny for your thoughts. It's settled and done. I'd
have offered a million. I'd have done it for none.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
I reckon we're in love and married with me, and
on ra.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
Penny, a bright copper penny, the penny that brought you

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
To me.