Stocking Stuffer 10.2 Hot Frosty with Jason Fozzie Nelson

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
We are we meet you.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, so nice to see you.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
You get your heat fixed. My life is a mess
right now. Good things come to you when you're out
in the cold, Kathy. Clearly you've been doing your push ups.
You know what you keep it.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're stuck in there pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well me to get behind you a.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Push Huh.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
It feels amazing.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Excuse me? Can I help you? This is jack?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I was a steal man.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's not good. The coveralls in the boots, did you
steal them? Yes?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Man, went's drinking in front of poor Ethel Channings by there.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Oh, I thought you could use some clothes, but you're
gonna have to trembling. Oh well, no, I'm not right now,
got it?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Maybe he's got something to ht.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
We could just turn the temperature down in my house.
You like it?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
What are you doing? You're really gonna interrupt my finest
interrogation work like that.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I've never been on a date before.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Please and needs your help with Kazie. It's been a
man for me too.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
What in the name of God?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I want to make the most of the time that
I have here.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
A man that's sweets just gotta be magic for man,
the one heck of a romantic. I know, that's so funny.

(01:56):
That looks just like a girl I went to high
school with. Welcome, my little snow of Flakes. We are
back for another stocking stuffer. As you heard the trailer
just now, this one is something special. It is something weird,
It is something sexy. It is something Canadian. And that

(02:16):
is way too much for me to take on on
my little lonesome self. So I have invited a guest
into the House of stocking Stuffers down my fireplace. Here
he comes, scaling the chimney. Be careful, do not break
your neck, because then you're just gonna sit there for
a year or two and stink up my kitchen. It's

(02:37):
the one and only Jason Fozzy Nelson.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Oh my god, I love this movie, Emily, I love
it so much.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
It is a lot. Please tell everybody the movie of
which they just heard the trailer for.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Oh is it hot frosty?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
How can it be hot and frosty?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I know it's like the frozen Frozen.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
How chocolate, which just makes me very angry every time.
I know Grant, I don't like dunk adnuts to begin months,
so everything they do kind of makes me angry. But
the idea of like frozen hot chocolate being a thing
and it being a flavor. I'm like, no, no, it's
not a thing. You can't do that, but this movie
finds a way to do it. So Hot Frosty twenty
twenty four, Netflix Production. I have so many questions. I

(03:21):
am no, Netflix, you joined me last year for a
Netflix movie? Was it last year of the year? But no, no, no,
we didn't do a Netflix movie last year. Two years ago,
last year we did the Fran Dresher has a gay
son who's a plant daddy who gets together the plant
Daddy movie. I don't remember the name of it, but
it was that one that hard and the one that
was like, what was the this? Yeah, it was all

(03:42):
about like boosting tourism to Michigan, I think, even though
it was Sean Canada.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Through the railroad and through the railroad.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yes, now, no, we have a very different story. But
two years ago we did Falling for Christmas. Not to
be confused with the ice skating Falling for Christmas movie.
We were talking about the Lindsay Lowhand Christmas movie, which uh,
you know might show up and height Hot Frosty spoiler alert.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, there was a lot of a lot of like
inside Baseball references.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
So much so it's Netflix, which right away means things
are going to be different. Netflix has to present differently,
right They're like, look, we know people, we know that
there's a Hallmark formula and aesthetic and we know that.
But hey, kids, we're Netflix. We don't have to follow
those rules. We don't have to do commercials, we don't

(04:34):
have to be chaste and answer to a sponsor. We're Netflix.
We can be sexy.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
We can we we.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Could sort of suggest the idea that somebody has a dick. Yeah,
so we get Hot Frosty directed by Jerry Sickerdi, who
I don't know if you looked at any of the
people behind this movie, but I do find it interesting.
We'll talk a how Canadian this movie is? This guy,
Like many of these directors, he has a couple of

(05:05):
like Christmas movies in his in his filmography Angels, Angel Falls,
Angel Falls, Christmas, a lot of Shit's Creek episodes, which
again tells he was Canadian, and also Graveyard Shift and
Graveyard Shift too.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Noticed that, Yeah, good director, how about that? Just working now?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
The writer I think is of interest is Russell Hayin Lane.
I assume it's how you say that. Did you have
a chance to look at his picture on IMDb? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Didn't he look like Chris Elliott? Is that the guy
he looks?

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Oh my god, maybe he's just doing Chris Elliot cosplay
now that I'm looking at it. Yeah, it's like a
dude who have long blonde hair, sunglasses, hat, and holding
a giant beer.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, God bless them me.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yep, yep, yep, yep. We are gonna go into the
usual kind of talking through the tropes of these movies,
talking through the bonuses that we get. But before we
do that, Jason, what is your no? Just because I
ain't really get to introduce you to just give a
quick who you are and tell me your relationship to
these kinds of movies.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Oh okay, well, I think first of all, Jason, Fozzy
Nelson is the name I go by. I am a
longtime friend of Emily's. But I'm also a writer. I
have a book published. You do it's wonderful, thank you,
and we'll talk about that little. But mostly I'm just
I'm a podcast journeyman. I just show up where people
need podcast.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, don't I like to think of you as the
Heather Locklear special guest star of every podcast. Because you
are like a regular, You're always a special guest star.
Even if you were to become like a permanent co host,
you would still always be considered a special guest.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yes. I think so too. And I'm a huge bitch.
So we have a lot in common.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yes you do, Yes, we do. Folks.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
As far as these movies, I think that I fall.
I mean, you're obviously a nine point five to ten
in relation to your love of these movies. I'm probably
complicated eight point five.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
But I think you like them a little more like
genuinely right, Like you want the ones that make you
feel good? Am I right about that?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Oh? God? Yes, and that's what this one did. Iride.
I cride this movie.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, I will say spoiler alert. I did not cry
in this one. I was it last year where I
had like no granted, like again, we talk about this
a lot. How Christmas is obviously a very emotional time
for a lot of people. There's a lot of feelings
going on, there's a lot of stress going on. It's air.

(07:33):
For me, it is like a sensitive time of year
now because it is the anniversary of my mom dying
and all that stuff. And I think it was last
year where it was like three out of the ten
movies I watched, I like genuinely shed tears in and
it was a weird feeling because I am like, again,
I watch these with a certain level of detachment, but
sometimes they break that wall and it's really scary. Uh,

(07:55):
this one I enjoyed. This is it's bonkers, it's weird,
it's it knows what it's doing, and I think there's
a there's actually a very cute undercurrent of sweetness to it.
But it did not. It didn't make me cry. And
I'm gonna be so petty about something I don't want
to jell. I won't. I'm not gonna say that because
it's gonna come up. But I have a very specific

(08:17):
reason for why I think it didn't make me cry,
and it makes me It's gonna make me sound like
an awful human being when I say it. But why
don't we first go into the plot of Hot Frosty?
Can you? And again, spoiler alert people, this is on Netflix,
so you can watch it at any given time, and
it's a clean ninety minutes, which I appreciate because sometimes
Netflix is like, we're Netflix, we can be as long
as we want, and they push these movies to like
one forty five. No, no, no, this should not be that.

(08:38):
It should be ninety minutes in and out.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
And it was absolutely I agree. Thank God, bless me
for this. This is just what I want.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
So tell me.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Oh yeah, well, spoiler alert, this isn't a spoiler alert.
I don't know why I say that, but information a thing.
I'm about to say. Uh, I just watched this literally
in today, like thirty minutes ago, because there it was
a timing issue. Yes, it didn't come out o the
day we.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Thought, yeah, we thought it was already on Netflix. It
did not premiere until yesterday, which by the time this
air is maybe three weeks I don't know yet.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, right, well, but then my Magic the Gathering Game
went long on Tuesday night, so I couldn't have watched
it anyway. So it was just delay, delay, delay, And
I've only had a small time to cram it in,
and I did that before this recording. And I will
tell you, the spirit of Christmas is chill in my art.

(09:28):
I am so ebulgent with Christmas spirit right now.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
So the plot. Let's go over the plot.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Very important.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Lacey Schebert the fifth and the Party of Five was
it plays Kathy. She is a small town gal in
what's what's it called the Springs?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
What is it? Hope Springs, Hope Springs.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
I love that in Hope Springs in New York, I
believe Canada and Canada. Sure. So she owns it diner
and she One thing I immediately loved about this character
is she's kind of a fuck up. She's like hanging
her shit together. Her radiator is broken, or.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Holes in her stairs, holes in her ceiling.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, just everything's kind of falling apart. And she's a
little bit of a wreck. And she owns a diner
in town and it has that small town it's very
Gilmore girls. The town that they're in. Everybody knows each other,
you know, the businesses like share stuff. She'll cook somebody
special pancakes when they come into her diner because she
likes the little girl.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
So my impression of a little girl, we'll get to it.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, she's fantastic. Kathy is. I mean, everybody loves her.
She loves everybody. Well, she goes to her friend across
the street, r Own's a business, which we also have
to get into what is their relationship. There are two
people in the door. The woman in the store gives
her a scarf and says, hey, there's here's a story.

(11:00):
I put on a scarf the night I met my
dead husband, and so you should wear a scarf too,
And that's essentially what she tells her. So Kathy puts
on a scarf, walks through. They in their town. Their
a little quaint small town does a snowman festival every
year where they carve or sculpt snow beasts and most
of them are traditional like snowman, and there's a dinosaur

(11:23):
in one, and you know, different shapes. But one of
them is just a dilf, just a nude dilf is
his dick almost.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Hanging out like.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yep ripped snowman. And she like looks at it and
starts talking to it, and it's like, you need this
more than me, and puts the scarf on the snowman
and she thinks me thinks she sees it wink, and
so she goes off. Shortly thereafter, Snowman comes to life,
saprise Kanda Syprie running around town. He runs in he

(11:55):
steals some some clothing, and he breaks a window and
he streaks in front of an old couple with their
little dog and shows his wang and the scarf is
always pre carrying.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Very suggestively please yes.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Just covering it perfectly. Well, anyway, one thing leads to another.
Kathy finds him the next day and thinks he's just
some crazy guy with amnesia or a hobo. And she's like, well,
come into my diner. I just feed people. I don't
need to get paid. She uh. He starts to tell
her he's a snowman, and then there is a crime
spree in the town because the window got broken and

(12:31):
something was stolen, and the town sheriff, played by is
it Darrel.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
From the Office? Star Off from the Office.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Scarrell from the Office, uh, is determined to find this person,
so Kathy has to have him hide out in her house.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Gosh, I could keep going on and on. Short She
falls in love with the snowman, as does the town
beautiful exactly, and they just believe it, eily they do.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
They all like, yeah, I guess he's a snowman. There's
a doctor who's like, I don't know, he's really cold.
He's probably a snowman, Yes, which I did. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
My roommate Melissa, who you know, and we have had
a packed four years that if one of us ever
goes to the other one and says something stupid, we
will believe it, like something that sounds crazy, like I
just saw a vampire, and we would immediately believe that person.
Because in movies, it's so frustrating where somebody says something

(13:19):
kind of crazy and they're like, as right.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Because if it's somebody that you absolutely trust and believe,
and then you're like, Okay, I just doesn't sound possible,
but I love you and I believe you, so let's
let's still figure this out together. And that is what
the whole town does. But they're like, all right, I guess,
except for, of course the villain who is right, who
is our town sheriff Daryl from the office, who's just like,
there's a crime and there's never crime in my town,

(13:44):
so I'm gonna get this guy. And no, it's only
been a day since I've watched it, and it's only
been a day since this movie has been out there
for the public to see. But there's like already been
quite a lot written about how people are like this
is a really political movie because it's talking about bail
reform and you know, and like politics of cops being

(14:05):
like over you know, it's like, you know, I mean
there's a lot to say obviously about cops. I'm certainly
not gonna launch any defenses there, but like, is that
really what this movie is doing or is it just
really telling a story about like a lady that gets
to blink a snowman.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
You know. However, you still have to think there is
someone or a group of people who wrote this movie,
and one had a deciding voice, and even though they
knew they had to write a comedy, they're like, I
do want to put mon I'm.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Gonna drop this in yeah, point, Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, it's not beyond the realm of possibility. That was
the intent behind it. However, I mean, it's just hearkens
back to a day of yore when like, yeah, bankers
were the bad guys, Like we could admit that these
bankers were the bad guys.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, and we're at a place where we should all
be accepting that, Yeah, cops are off of the bad
guys more often than not, unless we're in lown outter
SVU season one.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Right, they're all perfecttionining golden gods.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yes, fine, so why don't we We're going to continue
to dive into many details of this movie, but let's
go into it using the framework of our kind of
ten tropes to start. Certainly, all right, So the first
thing is our female lead in need of a lesson.
So we have Kathy. Now, what is your I don't
know that we've really talked about Lacy Shabert. Tell me

(15:21):
your experience with it. I have a lot of experience
with Lacy Shabert, including an in person experience with Lacy
Shabert when she and I were both probably ten years old.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Oh my god. Well, I certainly won't top that, but
I will say that I was a very casual viewer
of Party of Five. I watched it with a friend
when it was gone, So anytime I was at their house,
they were watching it and I was like, oh, who's that?
You know. I watched for maybe half a season consistently,
and all through nev lessing Out, which was amazing. So anyway,

(15:51):
I know her from that. I have seen parts of
some of her movies, like like.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Her Christmas movies in particular.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, her Christmas movie because I usually tend towards I
lean towards the magic ones. I like ones where the
same elf or real Yeah, yeah, exactly, I lean towards
those more than just like you know, a woman and
in a big city going and.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
She is she tends I mean now she does whatever
she wants because she is very much the queen of
the Hallmark network. And that's why I'm so fascinating, because
I'm like, did Hallmark know she was doing this? Like
how did that? Because she she has a Hallmark movie
this year, as she always does, but I wonder how
that worked because it's not like she is exclusively contracted
to Hallmark by any means, but like this is I

(16:38):
am sure if I looked through like Hallmark reddit threads
and message boards, I am sure there are some people
that are now probably well, Lacy Shaber is not my
Hallmark queen anymore, because this is a movie that is
obviously like just slightly more risque. And even though she
really emerged like and I wonder how much she was
involved in this decision or if it just very much

(16:59):
was the script. But like, as much as there is
innuendo in this movie, as much as like there are
very much wink winkling. Her performance and her character is
kind of immune from all of that, right, Like she
never does like has the line or is in a
shot where it's like, oh, that's a dip joke, Like
I don't and I wonder if that was. I don't.

(17:21):
I don't think she's a producer on this. But like, again,
you don't get Lacey Shabber easy nowadays because she does
have a lot of clout.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah. I mean it's like that thing with Vinde's on
the Rock. They can't lose a fight in a movie.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Right, right, Therefore they can never be in movies together
or in the same shot anymore together, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, but she probably you know, she has the cloud
now and the caswe in this specific, very niche industry
of not just Hallmark but every Christmas movie, she can
probably have a pretty strong contract saying like I need
to be depicted like this, I need this kind of
light bulb, I need.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
To wear seventeen pea coats.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yep, exactly. And if she makes it work for she
looked fantastic, yeah, and she was charming as hell. Yeah,
and that is really important for char You might not
think it, think it, but her being like somewhat chaste,
and even when he started to take his clothes off,
there was no moment of her trying to sneak a
peek or you know, like being a little body. She

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was like, oh no, no, no, we don't do that,
and she looked away immediately. It works to make it
a charming more charming. She's just a sweet person. Yeah,
she doesn't take advantage. I love that.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think it's something you and I have talked about
a lot before on like the skill that goes into
this kind of actor. Yeah, because I mean there, Lady
Shivert does a Hallmark movie every year. I think she
does multiple she does other seasons, and there is a
very particular like skill set in knowing how to still

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come off likable or still come off this. But you're
it seems like, oh, it's the same performance every time,
but it's really isn't. And I think you see that
here where it's like this is a very different movie
from a Scottish Christmas or The Tree that Saved Christmas
or like a million other moves she's done and you
can see like she knows her brand, she knows what
about her is appealing and like and her angles and

(19:11):
everything else, but it is like there are tweaks here
where you can see like, oh no, but she got
to have a little bit of fun here. She's the
straight woman, but it's in a she gets to be funny,
Like she's very funny in this, and it is like
a deceptively good performance from an actor that like it's
like what we say about horror actors too, like oh yeah,
like Bruce Campbell could do things that Robert DeNiro couldn't do,

(19:36):
but he'll never get an oscar, right, sure, Yeah, I
did see my personal connection to Lacy shaber when I
saw when I saw Lames rob in nineteen ninety two,
I think on Broadway she was young cosette. Oh that's exciting,
and afterwards because it was like my family's first Broadway show,
so we stayed after you know, we were at the stage
door and we got autographs from everybody in the cast,

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and I have hers because she was like ten years old.
So she like scrip like the way like most people
just like scribble like hers is like very clearly Lacey Shabert.
And my grandmother was convinced that she was flirting with
my brother. So in another universe, you could have been
my sister in law. Oh my god, can you imagine?
Can you imagine? Oh?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
I M giving you.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Show a push that harder? Really? What was I thinking?
Ten year old?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Wow? So disappointed?

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah? I do have one bone to pick with something,
and I am curious if you have ever felt this way?
Oh okay, why so this is Katy? Her character's name
is Kathy with a K m And okay, why did
it have to be with a k? And now normally
you could say like, oh, well, it's like you see
her name written. Actually you do, because she wears a

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name tag when she's at the diner. And what is
her diner named? Did you catch it? It's a very
simple name. It's I'm not trying to complicate things. And no, no, no,
but that's good. I get the your reference. Uh, her
diner is Kathy's Cafe, nice and simple? Right? Yeah? How
did she spell cafe?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh with a K?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah? Oh? Why make that choice? Why? Why? What in
what world do you have to do that? First of all,
I hate when people's like like playfully misspell words like
in order to do marketing thing like I hate that,
But like, why is it so often done with ks?
Because you're one K away from being very inappropriate, right,

(21:32):
And I don't understand, like Kathy's cafe ce ce, there's
nothing wrong with that. Why couldn't it.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Just be that interesting? You know, that has to be
a defenditive choice, though. I wonder thought processes behind it,
because all of the names in these movies always mean
something like the woman's name is always Holly or Eve
or snow.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah. I mean maybe they just happen to like, oh,
the set we're in, like quick, we need a name tag.
What do we got? We have a kafe? Okay, we'll
go with that. Oh it's okay, Oh wait a minut
that well, then make the sign with the K two
like you know, like there's there's certainly answers, but it's
just one of those things where you're like, stop, somebody,
somebody on set, think about this.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Why that's dumb? Okay, that's what you didn't love the movie?
Is that? What?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Maybe? I think that kept me from crying, yeah, because
I was like, you know, I mean, let's face it,
she's probably a white supremacisteep down. So yeah, that could
have been part of it. Uh, But let's move on
to our bland love interest now. In this case, I
don't know how. I don't know. I would call him bland.
We have yeah, we have Jack, played by Dustin Milligan.
Did you know Dustin Milligan? Did he were you a

(22:35):
Shit's Creek person or.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
No, of course I was veterinarian ted ted Yeah, both
like the like most the man with the least guile
in the world. He was so sweet on that show,
and I think that really transferred here. I just found
him adorable.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
He I saw him on the when RuPaul's Drag Race.
It was just like early COVID did the like celebrity
RuPaul's Drag Race or usually like you'd watch it, you're
like these people, who are these people? They're not celebrities.
But he was on one of those early episodes and
I think he either I can't remember he won or
it was the episode where everybody tied. But he was

(23:11):
also very charming there. So he seems like a very
you know, clearly like big kind of teddy bear of
a man. Now I was trying to figure Okay, I
have a lot of things though, in terms of like
the way he is presented in this movie. Yeah, because okay,
so he's five ten and a half. I was trying
to figuret how tall he was, because he looks like
he is like eight feet tall.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
In this movie they do, yeah he does. Did they
say that in the movie or did you look that up?

Speaker 1 (23:34):
So I just looked him up because I was very
curious how tall is this actor. He's five ten and
a half, which is Hollywood tall, Like it's tall, I mean,
or it's like for America, it's probably like a little
bit over average. In Hollywood, it can be tall. Lacy
Shabert is very short. I think she's probably about like
five one or five.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Two, Okay, But.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's do you find him like if he was so
when he was wearing good clothing, I was like, okay, yes,
he's an attractive man. But when he was like shirtless
and naked for most of the movies, did you find
of attractive or did you look at him and say,
like this is not healthy.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
That looks like he looks like a shapeless tube with
nipples like nothing there. I don't find his body attractive.
I find him very charming. Yes, he's normal, and because
of that, I think that he is very cute and
I like the look his body does nothing for me
that there was not a hair on that body. And
I don't necessarily require an ultra hairy man, but I

(24:31):
like something to look human. You know, men are just
not naturally hairless. Yes, that doesn't make any sense, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
It, And like this is why I was like, I'm like,
I have to be careful because I don't I don't
want to. I mean, me, of all people, should not
be body shaming this man who clearly went to the
gym for eight hours in order to get in shape
for this movie. But there was something that I'm like
looking at him, like do women actually find this body attractive?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
And I think a lot do and men do as well,
Like this is like he's like you know, twink twink
or like little jock type and smooth and athletic. A
lot of people find that attractive. And I'm not saying
I never do. God forbid, I am the biggest thirst
queen you've ever met. I love looking at beautiful people,
and I just enjoy a beautiful person. And I find

(25:18):
people really beautiful of all different shapes and sizes. This
particular body type, it's very common to me, and.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Where you hanging out that this is common.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Well in models an actor like if you look like that,
you know. When True Blood was on, everybody I would
always ask me, They're like, are you Bill or the
other one? I want to call him Ted?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Are you Bill scars Guard or Alex Scarsguard? But I
don't think both of them are on the show.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
No, No, no Bill on the show. The vampire, the
dark haired vampire that SOOKI was with, or the blonde
vampire that she was sometimes with. They'd ask me like
what my opinion was, and I'm like, honestly neither, Like
they are both so traditionally like vaguely handsome. I guess
it's b and some there's nothing unique about it. I
like something really unique about someone to find them attractive.

(26:06):
So no body didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah see, I think like again, he is completely charming.
He's a very funny comedic actor. He is very good timing.
He can play innocent really well. It reminds me a
little bit of like James Marsden in that way of like,
oh when like when people figured out cast this person
as like open faced cheery, then like that's it, that's
your part. Yeah. It's more just like his body is

(26:31):
on display for so much of this movie, and I'm
looking like it just it looks like it hurts, like
it looks like I'm like, when was the last time
you had a carp And it makes me sad because
I just look at him thinking like I don't want
to date you because I would sit there and like
eat a peanut and then you would have to go
do pushups for me, and it just seems very difficult
a relationship to have.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah, I get it, And I mean, I don't
know if I should get this real on this podcast,
but as I have a friend who I adore with
just a beautiful human being and we became friends recently
and he's just really nice, but he is definitely a
little bit of a himbo, like the sweetest guy in
the world. But like one time we were playing magic.
He plays magic with us, and I think he had

(27:12):
a couple pieces of pizza and then he did push
ups in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Bro saddled down line. Yeah, And again, not not to
shame anybody's choices, because obviously for some people that is empowerment,
that is so there's that. It just it makes me,
as somebody who loves pizza and hates push ups, very
sad because it just seems like do you know that
there's a way to live your life where you can
enjoy this and not have to do that. But again
that's just details.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
This guy real quick side note, this guy is heterosexual,
has a beautiful girlfriend who I dora as well. And
but some one night I was like gossiping with somebody
and somebody asked me, They're like, did you look up
with him? And I was like, I don't even want
to stand next naked.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
He should not know what looks like. This looks like
under here exactly.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Anyway?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
All right, So but no, Jack is lovely and it's
it's nice when we have a not pland love interest. Yeah,
and he and he seems very handy around the house too,
so that we'll talk about like the like science of
him and how things work. Look, we won't get well,
we'll get there because I can't imagine we won't because
I again, I have so many questions.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
I know, and I want to cover every aspect I
want to talk about this movie for.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Next time we do it next year, we just do
a commentary track dot prospective. So number three is our setting,
which is can be a big, bad city, a charming
small town, or a magical winter wonderland. In this case,
I would say, we'll get a charming small town that
has elements of a magical winter wonderland because you know
snowman turned to life. Uh so the town for you

(28:51):
was Gilmour Girls.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
There are some other references and like things that I saw,
and it was just like quaint small towns of the
stream town. The older I get, the more I want
that living I really do. I want a town like
close enough so I could, like, you know, I'll drive
an hour to like go see a movie or do
something fun. But I really just want quaint quiet. That's
where I'm at in my life.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Now, I get it, I get it. Yeah, somebody about
to move to the suburbs. I am with you now.
Number four is our dead parents or wife and a
little bit of a twist dead husband.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Done done done, Yeah, I know. Yeah. And I thought
that was handled very well in the fact that it
wasn't too tragic. It was just like, this is a
thing that happened, you know. It wasn't like a shocking,
horrible accident or something. It was something very real and
you could tell that she was still This is a

(29:47):
credit to like she's Lacey Schabert's acting. She hadn't processed
it fully yet, and she closed herself off. I really
got that from her character, and I thought it was
done well.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
And I think there was oddly like some thing that
was definitely there without them pushing it of, Like her
husband died of cancer and clearly like there, it was
a process. It wasn't sudden. There was you know, like
they were together and he knew he was dying and
so on, and that's kind of what's going on with Jack,
right Like Jack has a moment when Jack's really excited

(30:20):
to go do something. He's like, I want to go
help out at school. And she's like, well, you don't
have to. You shouldn't do it. You're gonna get in trouble.
You shouldn't do it. And he's like no, but I
know I have a limited amount of time. I don't
know how much time, but I know I am a
snowman and at some point I cannot be a snowman
anymore because of global warming. And there is something I
think I don't know, like there was definitely that there
of this other side of like yeah, like you know,

(30:43):
death and stuff that's profound.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I didn't even notice it and now I'm tearing up again. No,
it makes me cry. It's so beautiful. And the fact
that she saw him at several times like get overheated
and like get kind we can not be able to
stand sometimes and oh, I didn't even realize that parallel
for her. Yeah, oh that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
But it would have been pretty awful if he actually
did die in this movie.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Oh cruel backed up back on Snowman Angel of Death.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Lacy Shavert, all right, yeah, oh it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Hey. Can I also go back and talk about one
thing that really struck me in this movie? Maybe not
to make it all about me, but that's what I do.
These movies a lot of times seem to say that
a relationship is the answer to a person's problems, and
I don't feel like this did, even though it did.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Ultimately he did solve a lot of her like daily problems.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
It did, honestly, But I feel like that she wasn't lonely,
you know, she didn't necessarily need a partner. She needed
to change your life and that happened, that that was
this and she needed to try to move on. You
want to live again, et cetera. And I feel like
it was this that happened to be this person. But
the reason I'm bringing this up is because like I'm
in a place now where like I don't think I

(32:09):
ever want to date again. I don't think I ever
want that in my life. It's just not worth it.
It's not fun. I've never been great in relationships, and
I don't particularly enjoy relationships. Like where do I put
my unfolded Clothes's the other side of the bed, Like
I don't. It's just not something I want right now.
And I appreciate any movie that's like, you don't have

(32:31):
to have that to be fulfilled and to be happy. Yeah,
but if she had found another way to get happy again,
Like she still has a great business, she has great
friends and friends.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, she's loved in this town and I think a
lot of times that's enough. And this movie I really
got that. And I know it sounds counterintuitive considering it's
a love story it's based all around her falling in love.
But I do feel like she was a character that
was fulfilled and this was just a bonus to an
already pretty good life.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, I think the goal of this movie, it is
a love story, it is to get you know, to
end with this character happy with this person. But I
think it isn't just that she is with somebody at
the end for it to be a happy ending. It
feels like he throughout the movie is like, it's not
just that, like, oh, there's a hot, hot guy now

(33:21):
living in my house and he's kind of indebted to
me because I have brought him to life. It feels
much more like, Oh, how nice that somebody did this
thing for me, And oh, it's really nice to go
to the school dance, which I haven't done something like
this in years, and oh, this is what all the
kids are dancing. Oh, look like this boy asked this
girl to dance. Now I'm just so happy in this town.
Like it did feel like it was a genuine because

(33:43):
even like when she's talking about him, she's like, I
love that you make other people in this town so
happy that it was this overall because again, again, like
I know, I can probably sometimes sound like a bit
of a scourge when I do complain, I'm like, oh,
the love story was just so simple and this and that,
But it is a little bit because so many of
these movies are just doing that right, They are just

(34:04):
driving you to end on a kiss and then we're happy.
But there is certainly like there's nothing wrong with the
romance getting you to a point of happiness. And I
think in this one, like it is that, like it's
it's not like, oh, she fell in love, so now
she's happy and we have an ending. It is that,
like she this person is like making her see the
world a little differently, and that's where we get to

(34:26):
It's more like wings of Desire in that way. Wow,
oh my god. Maybe this is like wings of Desire,
which is kind of a similar uh supernatural creature who
falls in love with a woman and becomes her human
being and gives up things.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Wow, wow, i'd say better, but yeah, similar. Yeah, it's
like a better version of that movie you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
That you probably have not seen. No, it's okay, it's
like half the it's like three times the length of
this one. So moving on to our sassy sidekick.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, so a couple. Yeah, I feel so I don't
know her. She was on that housewife show, you know,
I mean she.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Looks so I know who you mean, like the one
who I'm like, oh, I've seen her in a million
things that I started looking her up. I'm like, oh god,
she's been in so many things that don't I don't
recognize anything that I would have seen her in.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Wife is the show I was thinking of with Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Katie Mix and Greer is the actresses.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
The Doctor we're talking about, right.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, which is one of those that's one of those
shows that's a hotel show for me, Like you know
there's the shows that you'll only watch there's nothing else
on it. I've watched several episodes of that in the
hotel and I was like, this isn't bad, and then
I never thought about it again. But she's actually very
charming and funny. I thought she was coy.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
She is, and I need to talk about something here.
So one of the often like uh, identifiers of the
sassy sidekick is that she wears big, oversized earrings, right yeah,
and she does this character does the Doctor wears big earrings?
By any chance? Did you like notice them? Did you
make a note of them or notice the or anything

(36:00):
like that.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I got it because she is wearing very big pink
ear rings, like it's like a big pink flower, but
it's like dangling and it's attached to like a very rhinestony,
like giant like button thing. Okay, And the reason I'm
calling this out is that this is only the second
Cozy Card again Christmas movie I've watched this year, and
it is the second one where the sassy character wears

(36:26):
not just big earrings, but pink. And I I have
to keep an eye on this now because I'm like, oh,
is this something they're trying to do to like disrupt
the formula? Like, Oh, you think you know what you're
getting here. You think everybody's wearing red and green, But
what if we did this. We're showing how wild these
women are because they're wearing pink in December. So I
got to keep an eye on for that.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Interesting. I love this, Yeah, so it makes me think
of that is what is it? Robert Altman film Gosh,
as soon as the Randon's husband tell me his name?

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Tim Robins.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Tim Robbins a movie he was in and it was
set in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Oh is it the Player?

Speaker 3 (37:05):
The Player? I remember in that movie there's a black
and white party and Share shows up in a bright
red dress and they just thought that and I just
thought that was perfect. Yeah, Like nobody tears she tells
Share what to where. You know, she loves black and white.
She wears that a lot, but she if somebody tells
her to do it, she's.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Like, oh fuck, you're pink.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Pink wore a wrong stone on it. So, yeah, that's
what this character was. You're right. I think that's what
they were trying to do. And I'm wondering if that's
the direction they'll go.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I know, you gotta kee an eye out for it.
Everybody watching these keep an eye out for pink earings. Okay,
I mission, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
I'll report that.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Second sidekick Lauren Holly.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Lauren Holly showing up for Sidekick.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
He's more of a horny old lady.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
At one point, I'm like, oh, is she gonna be
the Is she gonna be number six evil woman? A
Share villain? But like, and she's not like she doesn't
It's not like Edwards's her hands, right, It's it's not
like that that part of Kathy Baker and vers's her
hands Like it's just like, yeah, the women in this
first of all, like the fact that every woman in
this town is like, yeah, he's a snowman, I'd fuck him.
Like there's something to this town. Of like how their

(38:19):
bachelor pool is clearly very very limited, and I get it,
Like this guy is, you know, he has an eight pack,
like he is probably the best body of anybody that's
ever set foot in this town. But still like it's like, wow,
every woman in this town is really gunning for him,
including Laura Holly, who gets a very sexy moment of sorts.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Well, and I appreciate that. I appreciate people, but that's
we you know, not to make it all about me, however,
that is kind of how I want to be now.
I just want to be an old lady. I don't
want to do a thing about it, but I want
to attractive people around me. Yeah, you know, wearing a
caftan by the pool and being like, oh holy.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Yo, some martini glass. Yeah, I like that. You're this
phase involves your shirt voice.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, slowly evolving into that. I'm in Florida now, So
I got to get used to Mumbo's turning like a
leather handbag. That's my ultimate goal. And just flirting with
the pool boy.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, I mean I am waiting for the cat. See.
I always were like, I don't know, I get too
hung up on my proportions. And I think, like, I'm sure,
I feel like a kaftan overwhelms me, but I want
to be in the kaftan era. Like a couple of
years ago, Maya Rudolph went to the Oscars wearing just
a giant sequined orange drape and it was like a caftan,

(39:41):
and it was the most stunning thing I'd ever seen,
where I thought, oh, by, this is my template, like
me glam, this is what I want to be, because
she was clearly so comfortable, like had sleeves, didn't have
to shave her armpits, like was clearly just there and
being like, yeah, I guess I got a dress up,
so give me, give me the orange sequence and like

(40:02):
and I'm my, oh no, now I want that sketch. Uh. So, yes,
I appreciate this era. And it's nice to see Lauren
Holly uh just in the show up here as a
horny old lady, not a little babe, so very very
much a babe.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Although I'm getting face blindness because I at first was
not sure if she was also the thrift shop owner.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Oh who was speaking of Canadians. I looked her up.
She was actually on Ship's Creek as well.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yes, we're not surprising at all. Yes, we're gonna circle
back to her because I think I have a lot
to say about her as the sage old.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Person and also her boy, we're.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Gonna get back. Let's circle back to her. I have
a lot to say about the sage old person. Yes,
all right, so I guess our villain, like, we do
have cops who are kind of well, like I mean,
Craig Robinson is kind of presented as as the bad
but it's fine. They see the earth their ways pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
I gotta say too, Craig Robinson is just he's just
a bad actor, but he makes it work for him.
Like there there's a very niche set of people who
make bad acting like their thing and like it works,
like he's one of them. I think he's a horrible actor,
but he's blankabule enough and also oh nine O two

(41:27):
one oho, uh horse face. What's her name? I'm sorry,
I shouldn't have said that. Tory Spelling lovely, lovely woman,
but she's always been a bad actress, and like she
just makes it work.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think there's a difference between I don't know if
I would call it bad acting. I think I would
call it when you have like the difference between an
actor and a movie star, or like an actor and
a celebrity, Like with rare exceptions, celebrities have that thing, right,
there's a reason why somebody pops and somebody does why,

(42:02):
Like I don't understand a lot of Like I don't know,
Like I don't get The Real Housewives. I can't watch it.
I don't It does not do anything for me. I
just I don't get it. But I understand that it
has clearly a huge appeal to people whose opinions I
deeply respect and whose opinions I often align with. And

(42:23):
like if I see that and I kind of watch anything,
I'm like, Okay, I kind of get it, Like there
is something about this person that is really watchable, Like
they know what to do on camera or they like
they pop on camera, right, And sometimes you can do
that and you are talented at comedy or at looking

(42:43):
good or at music or whatever it is. And so
it's like, yeah, I act. I do movies because that
is the easiest venue or like the most open venue
to me. But like I don't have to, you know,
study the Meisner technique to do them because I'm getting
cast as to be Craig Robinson. I'm getting a cast
to be Darryl in this scenario. I'm gonna cast to

(43:04):
be Toy Smelling in the scenario. If I really need
to like dig deep, then okay, maybe I'll do the
work on it. But that's not why you picked me.
You picked me in this movie because you wanted Tory Spelling.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
So yeah, those people who do one thing and do
it pretty pretty good. But well, yeah, but I just
think Daryl, he's I guess we don't expect a good
acting from him, but he's still fun to watch. So yeah,
when I just keep flashing back to the scene where
you know, like we think that this Jack is dying
and he's laying in the snow and Craig Robinson comes up,

(43:35):
and I can see how the line was written and
what they wanted to Craig Robinson is just like I
didn't know. I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yes, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Oh God bless him though, all right.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Number seven is are montage. We had a few.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I had a girl. I don't know why I'm so
stuck on girl. But do you know why I love
this movie? I figured it out my three favorite things
in a movie, and I think you know several of it.
I do a clothes trying on montage, yep check, a
dance number check, a big weird thing laying on an

(44:12):
autopsy table. Jack went to the Tucker I'm counting it. Check.
It has like all my favorite things in it. Yeah,
oh so good. And I love a fixing up montage
and this movie had it in spades because it didn't
work for me so hard.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, there were three by my accounts. There was Jack
watching TV and like doing whatever he was learning from TV.
Jack helping out at the school bacon and bacon cookies
and having like a whole day with Lacy Javert. And
then there was the do you want to go shopping? Yes, Yes,
you want to go shopping? And they even they played
pretty Woman. They did the pretty Woman box trick, which

(44:48):
was very cute.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
And you know, I do love a movie like you know,
I've mentioned Gilmore Girls several times here, and I have
to say this doesn't sound make me sound very great,
but I do love a show about pretty white people
with no problem. It's so nice to watch sometimes because
even in this when he ordered things online.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
And yeah, she's like that's a lot of money. Yeah,
like clearly she had it.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
So yeah, it wasn't a big deal because like he
bought uh, what was it a necklace or ear rings
for her snowflake. Yeah, and he's like, I can return them.
They're pretty expensive, and she's like, no, I'm keeping them,
and like doesn't even ask, like how much is pretty expensive?

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Right? I might not be able to pay my rent
next month. You know, that's like real life that we would.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Have pud might have had a good life insurance policy.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Yeah, But in this we're just like, yeah, she has money.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yes, she needs those are earrings more than she needs heat.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Yes, exactly, And God, bless it. I love that feeling.
It's so comforting.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
This. I will say this was like the first moment
in this movie where I found dustin BILLI get attractive
and I realized what it was. It's like, oh, it's
the thing that you don't realize. It's so true of
men more than women. A tailored suit, Yeah, makes all
of the difference on a man, does And do you
remember when you learned this? I think many people learn

(46:11):
this very recently in a in a show that was very,
very influential to this movie. Eugene Levy and Shit's Creek.
Oh yeah, right, when in your life did you ever
think you were going to find Eugene Levey attractive? And
then you watch Shit's Creek and that first episode, like
suddenly he's in a tailored suit that works for him,

(46:31):
and you're like, you, guys, did we know Eugene Levey
is hot? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:36):
And I gotta say it works on like every body type.
You a good tailor to make a tailored suit for
your body type, it just always works. You look fantastic.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Now, oh.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
This brings up for me really quickly. I don't know
if we'll hit this in our countdown, but all of
the references and homages to other properties, can some of
these real quick?

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Well there was the Pretty Woman that actually a licensed
song of Pretty Woman, Like this movie's not fing around?

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, well, I mean this jumps ahead to the public
domain Christmas songs. And I do think it's funny because
the first thing I noticed was like, oh, they're opening,
they're showing off doing jingle bell Rock, which is a
song you have to pay for. But then I'm like,
but you know what song they didn't play in this
entire movie?

Speaker 3 (47:21):
That was Frosty.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
They didn't play Frosty a Snowmaan, which is of which
I always remember this from the twenty eight Days Later
commentary track where Dammy Boyle mentions the most expensive thing
in our movie was getting the rights to Frosty the Snowmath.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
That's that amazes me because that movie is like five
hundred years old and that you still have to pay
for it. Whites are ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
They are unless we're talking about air rights, and then they.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Are that's the only thing that yes, yes, all right, So.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
We had all right, some pretty woman? What else do
you clock?

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Well, yeah, there was a pretty woman like part where
she presents him with those little snowman earrings and that
pretends to close the box and he just layups.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
It's very cute.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
The entire shopping montage was an homage to pretty Woman like.
They had the person there trying on clothes as well
and swapping items with him just like so I loved that.
There was also the what is the Queen of Aldovia?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yep, there is a product placement to other Netflix properties
because there she makes a joke about being I'm Queen
of Aldovia, which is a I can't remember if that
was The Princess Switch or Christmas Prince. It was one
of the two. But both of those movies reference each other,
so it's like if you reference one or teically reference
in the other. There was a reference. There's a couple

(48:38):
of references to me and girls.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Oh he is there. I didn't catch that.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
When when Lazy Shambert sees again product placement for Netflix's
Falling for Christmas, which we watched, she says she looks
like a girl I went to high school with.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I didn't get that because I kept getting hung up
on that movie where she and Mariah Carey had allegedly
gone into high school together. Remember that one it was.
I think that was a Hallmark movie and Lacy Sabert.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yes, Oh is it a Christmas melody? I think it is.
If people, if you have not seen this is like
one of the Alzheimer's of Hallmark Christmas movies. I want
to say, it's a Christmas melody?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
That sounds right, is it?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
But that's twenty fifteen. That doesn't feel Yes it is.
Oh my god, Yes it is a Christmas melody twenty fifteen,
Lacy Shabert, Mariah Carey. I believe Mary carry directed it
as well, yes, and Kavin and Jimmy just talking about
Kavin and Jimmy today. Yes, this is the one where
in this universe Mariah Carey and Lacy Shabert are the
same age.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yep, exactly. And I thought this was a reference to that. Somehow,
for some reason, I just get stuck on that. Were
they in a Lifetime movie together? I didn't understand what
was happening. Now I get it. Me and Girls, yes, yes, yea.
And then what was the other mean Girl's reference?

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Was there any other I think there might have been.
I've only seen Me and Girls like once, so I know, like,
I feel like if I say that, I have to
duck because people get very passionate about that movie. But
like I guys, I was born maybe too, Like it
wasn't directly made for me. I was a little older
for it.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
So million movies that I have never seen.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, Like I was about to make go like in
depth on a Christmas Melody and be like, oh, you
know and in that movie, like she fair also has
a dead husband. But you know what, nobody needs to
know how much I know about Christmas Melody, which I've
only seen one time in six.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so also there was uh, there
was another reference, wasn't there too? I made a quick note,
what was it? Uh? Oh, Jennifer Coolidge the yes, Yes,
they showed a little clip of the movie that she
was in.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
That was with Friends Single. No, that was another gay
Christmas movie, though, I think that was Single all the Way.
Maybe that was the Plant Daddy movie. Oh wait a minute, yeah,
I'm getting my my gay men with like iconic funny
voice women older women, the say side gig slits. The
old person movie is confused. I don't remember that. I

(51:08):
think we I don't remember the frand Russian movie we watched,
but that did not have Plant Daddy. Plant Daddy was
in Single all the Way because that's when you taught
me about Plant Daddy's which was the thing I did
not know was a thing, and it still upsets me.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, both brilliant movies. Go watch that's
definitely on first, and then watch this one again and
then go watch it.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Okay, we gotta wrap up the main ten. So number
eight Slapstick, we definitely have a lot of it here,
all of Jack's like waking up and becoming human, and
of course the very innuendo Leaden snow push car, push
in out.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Oh oh my god. It was saucy.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Brandon like was up and about as I was watching
that scene, and he was just having a hard time
with it. So what is this what? I'm like, it's
new Flix. It's like, yes, Netflix. I'm like, yes, yes,
that's what they're saying too.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
That reminded me of there was a show on NBC,
very short lived show. I think was it Good Morning Miami. Anyway,
Susanne Plaschette was on it okay as a regular, and
she played like the main character's mom, and she was like,
you know, the sexy older mom, kind of like the
Mona of the show. And at one point she came
into work and she's like, I'm sorry, I'm late. I

(52:20):
got rear ended by a black escort. Like I hope
you mean the car.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yes, nice, it's nice. That's the kind of well, yeah,
that's kind of dialogue and front Frosty. Okay, we need
to talk about number nine, the sage old person, because yes,
Kathy's shop on her friend who is not Lauren Holly,
although like, I don't know, maybe they are the same.
I have face blind mass they look the same.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, I give it okay either mel Or Theo.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Is she you must have felt the same way. Here's
a friend who's like, hey, somebody dropped off the scarf.
I want to give it to you. No, it's okay.
I have a lot of scarfs. No, you need this scarf.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
And then lady and like she's like, I got a
scarf just like this night I met my husband and
the husband's like and then husband, Yeah that's her husband, right.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I thought she implied that her husband was dead in
that statement. And I'm sorry, mel Or Theo the gentleman,
I still don't know which is with. He'm not very gay,
so I thought they were like older lady and gay
best friend.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I or you know, wow, no, no, I am going
to have to watch this again. Yeah, because I completely
thought that was her husband, her partner, her boyfriend, whatever,
whatever you know they're comfortable with. I thought that was that.
And to me, i'm watching this, I'm like, Okay, so
obviously he's a snowman, right, Like the same thing must

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have happened, like, oh, you have this scarf now, because
I have had this scarf from this man for a
long time, and honestly, I'm kind of done with him
he can melt now, or like, oh, I think it's
time for you to have this, because who built that snowman?
We don't know who built that snowman. We never find out.
Nobody's like, hey, where's the snowman that I spent hours
crafting in the cold weather? Go I thought I might

(54:08):
win the contest, but I guess not because somebody destroyed
my snowman? Where's that person?

Speaker 3 (54:12):
That makes me also think like it's a really good thing.
She put the scarf on the hot man instead of
the door the same thing.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Or one of those, or like the goofy snowman. And
then it ends up being like Jack Frost, not the
horror movie, but the Michael Keaton movie, which is actually
a scarier version of Jack Frost, where it's like it's
like hello Kathy.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
With really angry eyebrow.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Gry eyebrows or with like the weird milty cgi mouth,
and like he's trying to dance with the kids, but
he doesn't have legs, so he can't really dance that well, right, and.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
He's just like internally he's like somebody killed me.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
He's one of the Ripley's and Alien four Maybe next
year I mean they made a Jack frost to Snowballs,
they can do a Hot Frosty two where like somebody
puts the scarf on somebody else. Oh yeah, and I
want it to be on a goopy snowman and we
get to see that goopy snow man in action played
by like, I don't know, not like a Zach Gallafanakis type,

(55:13):
but like who's an actor that's sort of like, oh, like, oh,
what's his name? Toby Jones a snowman?

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Oh wow, right.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Right, you're seeing it now right, you're.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Totally He kind of looks like a snowmas way does
he never noticed it? But his nose is a carrot,
a little carrot.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Okay. I mean they make sequels to these Netflix movies.
We had three Christmas Princes, we had three Princess Switches,
so we are going to have at least three Hot Frosty's.
I guarantee it with that, And you know, I.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Hope they go the route kind of of The Little Mermaid,
Like remember the Little Mermaid. The original was where she
was like.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
You know, a pot of your familiar, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
And then the sequel it was her daughter who was
like I.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Want to be an ocean. Yeah, so in this one
it's gonna be I.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Wants to be and likely the movie. His body temperature
is dropping and he's just slowly turning to ice like
body horror.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Were Toby Jones Consuma The Substance Part two Inside of
You or two You Can Be Your Best Self her
best cold self?

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Okay, yeah, all right, so number ten is Santa Claus.
We don't have Santa Claus, although we do have Christmas magic.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Yeah, fine with that.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah, no explanation other thing. Yeah, maybe it was thrift
store owner and her gay boyfriend. Maybe it was not.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Who can say, well, you know there it is insinuated
now that you're saying it, like that she does understand
what's going on. Yeah, Like where they're talking, somebody mentions
that he is really cold, and she's like cold you say,
and like fly, Yeah, he knows that he's a snowman.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
And when she gives her the scarf, there is the
sprinkle sound effect, which is something you play whenever it's
like suggesting either love or magic. Oh yeah, so I
mean like like and again, I am very happy for
this movie to have only been ninety minutes. But there's
a part of you that's like, so, was there to
lose the scene or what? Or are we just coming
back next year for the sequel where we find out

(57:25):
the actual explanation.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Yeah, that'll work. Or if they release the extended director's cut,
you know, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
They started doing it on Hallmark. They had extended cut
of Three Wise Men and a Baby, so who knows,
maybe Netflix will. I hope they did that with all
the Zach what's his name movies? Right, the Zack Snyder movies?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Oh right, yeah, yeah, I hope this movie is like
Lord of the Rings and there's like, you know, three
hundred hours of unused.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Put Frosty cinematic universe.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yes, I want so much more. I love it. He'll
never not love this movie. I'm not trying to nobody
ever will. I'm just going to get out there to
make me not love this.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
All right, Well we're going to continue to love it
because let's move on to the bonus extras. So public
domain holiday songs again, like Netflix showing off with jingle
Bell Rock, we have Nutcracker, we have jingle Bells and
everybody parties, and we have the other thing. I love
and I know you love this too. When it comes
to music in these Christmas movies. It's the Christmas word

(58:24):
salad song.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Yeah, yeah, I was actually wondering that was not a
bad one, Like it's you know, are we talking about
the one where it's like it's.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Midnight and I'm sitting all alone, the carollers are gone.
I actually wrote the lyric. I wrote, I type very quickly.
I wrote the lyrics as I was watching it. It's
midnight and I'm sitting all alone. The carolers are gone,
the fire is burning low. I can't sleep though. It's
a silent night because there's just one thing missing to
make this season bright.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I thought that was beautiful, Like is this a real
song that I've never heard before? Because my third favorite
Christmas song ever, I have a bunch of them, but
my third favorite is All Alone on Christmas because like
as much as I love Sanna and everything else great
about Christmas, I do love the loneliness and like introspection
that it brings. Yeah, well, and I find that really

(59:13):
beautiful and All Alone on Christmas is one of my
favorite songs, and this very much was evocative of that
style and I kind of loved it.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I love that and I'm getting you for Christmas. I
bet the singer does cameo.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, oh my god, I would love it. But yeah,
I loved that song. I thought it was great even
if it was word salad I really worked.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Hey, I mean I like a salad. Sometimes a salad
can be just what you need.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yes, wait a minute, I have a Christmas salad?

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yes please? How many? How many Christmas song titles do
you want in that? Sir?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
The mule?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
All right? So next we have the either secret family
recipe or needlessly complicated holiday cocktails.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I don't think we have.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
There's not much cookie. There's like they're baking at one point,
but it's like purely like I learned. I was watching
the Food Network today, So I have made you a feast?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yeah not there, Nope.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Small business in danger.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I don't know what I guess kind of like, you know,
she's not doing great, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
I mean like that seems to be a pretty busy
diner every time you No. Granted, she had one employee,
which seems like a bad idea. You own the diner
and you're also the hostess and also the waitress. I'm sorry,
but I think there's a better way of doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
It is very much Luke's That also reminded me of
that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Do they? And I never I could take more than
ten minutes of Gilmore Girls? Do they also have a
party that everybody in town goes to on Christmas Eve
at the miner? That just seems like do people have
things to do? I'm sorry, I know, like your wrap presence,
you're finishing food. You're like, I just.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
I get it, But I love the idea. It's not
very practically, but the idea of it. And that was
also featured in Shit's Creek as well, sticking that's faked.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Maybe it's a Canadian thing?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Yeah, maybe, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Product placement, we talked about the various Netflix product placements.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Sure, I don't think of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
That's all I clocked. But I was distracted by a
lot of things watching this movie. There was a lot
to focus on. Now. Number five is the cloying child.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Not really.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Aches today?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
The seconds there's like one, it's like five minutes into
the movie. There's this little girl who screams, do you
have any talking to a backache? Today? And I thought
to myself, I love her and I hate her, and
I hope she is half of the movie. And I
also hope I never see her again, and it ended
up being the latter. She has never seen again.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
God bless, I'm so happy about indeed, just didn't need it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Nope. Uh, next is finding the perfect tree. We do
get like them having brought in a tree, but it's
not like, you know, a whole religious experience. That's these movies.
Now empty coffee cup acting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Oh gosh, gosh, I always forget this one. Now I'm
thinking back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yeah, I think they actually again, Like this is one
of those movies that has a real actors, right, Like
this is like the they're not just Hallmark actors, like
and again, Lacy Shaver is one of the few Hallmark
actors who knows how to hold an empty coffee cup
because she's been doing this shit for a long time. Right,
so I didn't clock any real empty coffee cup acting.

(01:02:29):
Same with actors trying hard not to actually eat on camera, Like, no,
they're biting those cookies. And then we see it in
the the the outtakes at the end, right the post
credits out takes or credits out takes. Yeah, like they
ate those cookies.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Didn't see Ted?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
We did?

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
He actually he did? Then?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
God, can you imagine what it must have been. Like,
this is the thing about people that are really really
that work out a lot, like and again I like
exercisely working out, but people who like have those kinds
of bodies, I just think to myself, you must be
so boring to be around.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Yeah, you know, there there's that aspect of it. And
I know people that have just ridiculous bodies and they're
not They're fun, they're great people. I think that's a
stereotype we foist upon these people. But it's with honestly,
one cookie changes their entire body. It happened. So that's
why I'm sure that this actor I always call him

(01:03:22):
Ted from Shit's Creek. I'm sure that before the shirtless scenes,
he probably dehydrated for a day. That's the thing that
they'll do, like have a lot of salt and whatever
they have. And also you do like push ups or
sit ups right before you go on screen so that
you're in you got that jump to you. So this
isn't what he looks like all the time. I'd like,
you know, this is for the screen, and he did

(01:03:42):
a lot of work right before then. Yeah, he probably
has a little little gut sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
I hope he was able to find joy in life
again after filming this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I'm sure he did. He seems like a very very
joyous man. I hope that's all I want with he does.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Like I'm remembering now interviews. I'm thinking of two that
to mind was an interview with is it Mackenzie Davis
when she was talking about Terminator and an interview with
Brandon Rauth who was in some of these movies when
he was talking about being Superman. I'm like, I remember,
like the Mackenzie Davis one was interesting cause she was
like we're talking about Truman. She's like, I was so
proud of like what I got to be in that movie.

(01:04:18):
Like I got to be a Terminator, I got to
be powerful. I did things with my body I didn't
know I could do, but like I had a latte
on the weekend and then I bloated and I felt
like I was going to die for three days. Like
and I remember Brandon Routh talking about I think he
was doing he was probably like an early keto guy,
so he was talking about like putting butter in his
coffee and like just how like everything. It's like you

(01:04:41):
couldn't just be like, oh, hey, have you been to that, Like,
there's a new pizza place down down there. Have you
been that? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
You know, if you get the pizza and you take
off all of the crust, and you take off all
of the cheese, and then you take the sauce and
then you swirl it in butter and then eat it
with a with a hot dog like and it just
you realize, you're like wow, like you have to it's
so much to think about and it just seems exhausting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
True, But you know, I've recently realized that I self
diagnose myself all the time with a lot of different
and one of my most recent ones is that I
am very adhd and I know that I'm there's no
doubt about it. I do. I am going to see
a doctor about it soon because it's kind of started
to take over my life. And we can talk about
that separately off the air, maybe, But the point is

(01:05:23):
part of the one of the symptoms of that is
the hyper focus that you sometimes get something and like, honestly,
mine is magic the gathering. Lately, I am That's all
I think about. All I do is well, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Going to be replaced soon by hot frosty yep.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Exactly. I got an entirely new personality. But a lot
of the people that I know that is just their
form of hyperfixation. But so my hyperfixation makes me happy.
I am here right now, I am fusing with magic cards.
I'm putting together a new deck, and I have a
new commander named Jodah the Unifier. Anyway, I'm making a

(01:05:58):
new deck right now, and it just makes me happy
and it makes me feel good. And I think these
people same thing, you know, when they're working out, when
they're focusing on their body and their fitness and like
what they're eating, and that's their form of hyper focus
and a press reliever for them. So more power to them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
God, you're so much better than me find anything good
in people. Okay, On that note.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Has helped a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Well. The next one is canadianisms.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
H I mean, you know the ship's creakiness of it. Oh,
definitely in a lot of the actors, like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
The director of this movie directed a movie called Trudeau,
oh about about one of the Trudeau's. Yes, this is
a very Canadian movie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Yeah, sure is. I mean I didn't notice any accents.
I didn't notice any particular fashion that was that was
very Canadian, so it didn't stand out too much unless
if you know, you know, right right, But other than
I didn't see a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Yeah that's fair. So no, number ten is complicated because
normally it's very easy. Number ten is our warm weather watch,
which is when we know that these movies were clearly
filmed in July. Now in this case, it's kind of
confusing also, but the whole thing is like, well, he's
really hot, but everybody else is kind of cold.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
And well I thought they sold that really well, like
to do this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yeah you really. I'm like, I'm realizing as we get
through this, like how good she has gotten at this
this movie, at this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Performance of our time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I mean, if you add up how many movies she's
done and how many movies Emma Stone is done, Like
give those two oscars to Lacy sh Bear.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Thank you, thank you? Yeah. Now, yeah, the warm weather
we noticed at the end when they're doing like their
little outtake in their song. Which, oh that's the other thing.
I love movie blood bloopers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
So they're never as funny as I want them to be.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
No, they weren't. I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
It's just usually like actors like eventually something over a
line and laughing, and I'm like, come on, Like, the
only time that was done well wasn't a Bugs Life
where it's animated. So they did that and it's very.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Yeah, and I mean, we can all be cannonball run
like that was the peak of outtakes. But at the
end they're singing the song and it kind of it's
all snowy and they're they're bundled up singing their songs
and it pans over to the guy holding the boom
mic and he's in shorts and a T shirt showing
very warm out. So I thought that they played with that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Very good point, and they had behind him the people
that were doing like the snowblower like that. Then they
start like playing around with it as if it was
a guitar, and it's very cute.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Yeah, it was adorable. I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Part eleven is our old people aggressively matchmaking well yeah, yeah, yeah,
And again I am still the one. I think my big,
biggest kind of maybe gripe against this movie is that
we don't get the not the explanation. Like I'm fine
with not knowing not understanding the magic, but I don't
like that the movie didn't seem to decide whether this

(01:08:52):
woman also fucked a snowman.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Yeah, but you know, sometimes it's okay to leave things
up to your interpretation. A lot of times I don't
like that. I will say that I want a movie
to explain the movie, but there in some cases, like
the movie Triangle, I think it gives you just enough
that you can form your hypothesis of what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah. I normally agree, and in almost every case of
a like horror or genre film, I would say yes,
I prefer ambiguity. But in like you know, Hallmark style
cozy Christmas movie, I feel like they owe you answers.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
That's a good point. Yeah, you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
That movie like that, and not to be like you
know that person, but the average person watching this movie
does not want to think about the movie. So when
you've like given something that they could think about but
you haven't resolved it, like, how does that person feel?

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I know how I feel because I overthink things. But
the person who's used to things being handed to them
on a like you know, Christmas plate, how do they
feel walking away from this? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
That's a good point. And you know, now that I
think about it, I could very much. See what were
their name's, Mel and Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Not Lauren Holly? Then maybe Lauren Holly. What were their
names Mel Mortimer or was he a different guy? THEO?

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
THEO? Okay, yeah, so Mel and THEO. I can actually
very much see them see Lacy Shavert and Ted from
Ship's Creek kind of turning they get older. So yeah,
you're right, maybe he once had been a snowman.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
I mean, that's how I took it, but I I
don't know. I do want to cast that out to
to the listeners, to the world, and what did they
see because I did not see the I thought they
were a couple, but who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Yeah, well, and also you have this worded perfectly old
people aggressively and appropriate making the leads. It seemed that
to me, as I had mentioned, Kathy seemed fine. She
was very comfortable with her life. She had business, she
had friends, she had a good life. And this person
like you need a man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
You need a snow man even Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Yeah, but I don't think she necessarily did. We've talked
about that, this one kind of trying to foist force
her and like that's the only thing that'll make you happy,
and that's not always what makes people happy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Yes, very true, you know it makes me happy? What
number twelve? Fashion?

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Oh god?

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yes, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
This was well done. I think that Lacy Shabert looked
beautiful in this film head to toe, great fashion sense.
And have you heard the controversy? This kind of goes
back to people saying, you know, like Lacy Shabert is
not my Queen of Christmas. A lot of people were
saying that she is too old to be in these movies.
Now have you heard this?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
So there was an article about this a couple of
weeks ago where supposedly it was I can't remember who
was a casting director or if it was a like
an executive at Hallmark who said, like who had said
basically a I think it's somebody in casting is suing

(01:11:58):
Hallmark right now for wrongful erman Oka And they are
saying that this executive said to them, you need to
cast younger. And it wasn't this wasn't specifically about Lacy Shapert.
This was like in general, like you're like, this executive
was telling the casting person you need to cast a
different type of person, and Lazy Shabert's name came up

(01:12:19):
within this. They said no, you know, lazy Shabert is not.
She's she's too old and she's not worth the money
we're paying her. Now here's the thing that is, like,
I would believe this about other net if this was
I don't know, CBS, Like I believe this. It's shocking

(01:12:40):
that this is being said of Hallmark because Hallmark has
been very and like Lifetime Tune in a very parallel way.
They have both been very like female fronted networks where
they hire a lot of women behind the camera like
Late and Lacy Shabert, especially after Candace Cameron left, right,
Candice Camera defected for fucking Great American Family bullshit, And

(01:13:03):
when that happened, it was like, oh, so our new
queen is Lacey Shabert, and many would say our queen
was always like she's Shaber, but she's like she gave
an interview I think it was last year before that
was like this great interview with New York Magazine where
it was like she's clearly very aware of her brand,
of the Hallmark brand, and like you know, she goes
she's like, yeah, I've been with this network now, like

(01:13:24):
through the birth of my kids, Like they let me
be the lead in a movie while I was eight
months pregnant. We just held a Christmas present in front
of me, like my kids have been on set, Like
this is a very woman friendly, like they have treated
me well, Like I know the brand, I know what
the audience wants like and Lacy Shabert, I know is Christian.
I think she is not. I don't think she has

(01:13:45):
ever said anything like conservative bad And the fact that
she stayed with Hallmark after Hallmark kind of basically made
a statement to say, we are going to be more
progressive and where's Scandice Cameron left? Like I think Lacy
Shabert is like one of those kind of like Christian
Chenna with the Christians of like, yeah, I'm Christian, but
like I like gay people. They're fine. So it's I

(01:14:06):
don't know, like because I haven't seen more about that,
and I just haven't. Maybe I've also been avoiding reading
a lot of news in general. But I don't know
if anything more came out about that, because I cannot
imagine the Hallmark contingent would accept hearing the network saying
Lacy Shabert is too old for our movies, because I
think that the dedicated fan base for Lacy Shabert is

(01:14:29):
very high, and especially for a network who's target demographic
at this point. And I don't know the age range
on Hallmark viewership, but like they're and they do have
a fairly big like younger women audience, but they know
that they have like fifty year old forty year old,
like wine moms are their target demo. So the idea

(01:14:50):
that a network would say you're too old to the
audience watching the movies is really hard to believe that
this is going to be as big a story or
that it hasn't already been dealt with.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
And Hallmark is even They've even made their own line
of wine for these wine names. You can buy Hallmark wine.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Like low alcohol, yeah, to like pair.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
With your movie while you wear your cozy socks and
watch your movie. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Jack Donnahey's synergy.
You know, like just everything that you could need. They're
gonna start selling couches soon and blankets and you know,
everything you need for a cozy day of watching these films.
And so these actresses as well, in these Hallmark movies,

(01:15:35):
I'd say they probably they have a long lifespan, longer
than most where maybe ten fifteen years even so I
can't see them wanting necessarily younger people because of their demographic.
But also you and I have said so many times
that it is much more interesting to watch films about
people of a certain age quote unquote. I don't want

(01:15:59):
to see like twenty two year old people in films anymore.
I want to see somebody who's lived in, has had
a life, who is already a widow, maybe owns their
own business.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Like that's really interesting to me and comforting as well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Yeah, and I mean Lacy Shebert has played the ingenue.
She has played the you know, fresh upstart business woman,
and now she is in the like you know, widowed
mom era like and that will continue. So I'm looking
up now and like, that's the thing is that the
news came out in late October and it's now again.
Time of recording is like mid November, and I'm not
seeing anything more in November about this, Okay. So basically

(01:16:35):
the lawsuit was a seventy nine year old casting director
for Hallmark says she was fired for age discrimination, and
within that she is saying, like her boss said that
they did not want to cast quote unquote old people,
and they singled out Holly Robinson Pete who's a little older,
I think she's like late fifties, and Lacy Shabert as

(01:16:56):
examples of quote unquote old talent. And so Hallmark disputes
the allegations. Uh like there's no yeah, there's still no
like comment from Lacy Shbert about this, So it's still
like a breaking story. It hasn't been resolved. I again,
the late I know Lady Sheperd is in a Hallmark

(01:17:18):
movie this year. The fact that she did in a
Netflix movie is also maybe telling of like, yeah, she's
she's casting her net out. And I guarantee if Lacy
Shebert called Lifetime I was like, hey, I'm interested, they'd
be like, all right, yeah we're hired. So she's fine.
Like I think it's probably very a good synergy for
her in Hallmark, But if this turns out to be
like a real thing, then fuck Hallmark again. After you know,

(01:17:41):
they've sort of seem to have started to redeem themselves.
But I am not worried for Lacy Shbearer, especially when
she looks up pretty in this movie and these pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
And like I was saying, and I got I sidetracked myself,
But you know, they have a long life lifespan. People
want to see them for a long time. So Hallmark
is going to do whatever it takes to make her
look beautiful, to have the right lighting, to have the makeup,
to like make her keep being a star if she's
bringing in money. And that's what they did in this.
I thought the scene where she came down in her

(01:18:10):
dress where the dance was, it was a conservative dress.
It wasn't, you know, very revealing, it wasn't very tight,
but she looked gorgeous and she actually looked like a
real person in a small town where who was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Going to a school in middle school dance. Yes, it's
because I thought with that dress, I'm like, you know,
like when she first came out and I'm like, oh,
I want like a jingle ball drug. I want a
gown like because last year she was in the Scottish
movie and she got to go to like a Scottish
royal ball thing and like got to wear this stunning
ball gown with like a tartan scarf and everything. And

(01:18:43):
in this I'm like, oh, this looks like a dress
I would wear. And I'm like, wait, no, this is
a dress I would wear, like because it's clearly it's
a good dress for a short woman with boobs because
it's kind of like it's got like those like nice
like it's got like a V neck but it's kind
of fixed sleeves, and then it's like got a nice
a line like puffy skirt. And I'm like, yeah, I would,
I would wear that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
So I'm a beautiful silhouette.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Yeah, she looks wonderful. Yes, very happy to see her
looking so happy and in her.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Album and again getting to be like getting to play
a really a different part of this universe, which I
think was really good for her to show that kind
of range.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Yeah, So I you know, kind of get here and
I say, do you recommend this movie? And I think
kind of the answer here you should certainly do obviously
absolutely recommend this movie to everybody who who.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Loves this particular style of movie. Honestly, I know it's
not for everybody, but like I, like I said, I
like pretty white people with no problems. I know that
sounds a little racist, but like with everything horrible in
the world, I don't want to, you know, watch what
is that in film Lemon Tree station or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Station.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Yeah, I don't want to watch that right now. I
know it's an important film, but it breaks my heart
and I just can't think about that right now. I'm
barely holding myself together.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
So I just need people with no real problems, and
that's what this movie is. So that's what you're looking for.
Please watch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Yeah, And you know, these stocking stuffer season for me
is as often very interesting and like what mood I
end up in and it sometimes I'll get angry of like,
oh man, here's another movie about a heteronormative relationship and
all this, And then there are years where it's like,
I'm really sad and here's a really dumb montage where

(01:20:37):
somebody baked a cookie. Oh my god, I this is
the greatest movie ever made. And you know, and I
think this is always at their heart what these movies
are meant for. They are intended to be something when
like for the person who either just loves the holidays
and wants this or everything is hard. You're really busy

(01:20:57):
at this time of year, You've got a lot of responsibility.
You want to turn your brain off. You want to
go into something knowing that at the end of it,
everybody is going to be happy and better than they
were in the beginning, and they're gonna wear really cute
peacoats along the way. M hm. And I think this
does that, and it does it with like with a
you know, big wink, and in a way that isn't
mean either. This could have gone a much like snarkier

(01:21:22):
winky kind of like, oh, we know this is dumb,
and we're kind of winking at you because we you know,
we know the wine moms are gonna like it, but like,
come on, it's dumb. It's not doing that at all.
Like this is a very earnestly made movie and it's
sweet for that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Yeah, an agree, Yeah, yeah, I just was so charmed
by this film. I'm really glad we got to watch it.
And I know you've said in the past that I'm
kind of your like luck elf.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
When it comes Yeah most of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
By jove, we've done it again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Did it? Yes? I don't know that this matches Holly's Holiday,
which has a really similar premise, now that I'm saying that,
oh yeah, Holly Holiday, it was the mannequin that comes
to life.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
And who was Oh yeah, there was another truth about Christmas?

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Is the other really good one we did? Yes, that's
still one of my favorite ones of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Which yeah, still doesn't totally make sense the title doesn't.
I guess it kind of does. That was the ball,
the magic eight ball Christmas thing, right, and she was
going with her.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Where she she couldn't. It was a liar, liar, it was, yes, yeah,
but it was it's like really good.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Yeah yeah. And then there was the one that we
where we talked to the writer director.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Christmas Angel. Was it Christmas Angel?

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Yeah? Yeah, We've had some good luck with these films.
I love this every year.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
You well, Now, on that note, we talk about stocking stuffers,
and you know what would be a great stocking stuffer
for somebody in your life? What your book? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
That's right, yeah, please, yeah, I think that people would
enjoy it. There it is filled with some holiday joy.
The title is always by my Side. It's available on Amazon.
You can find it by searching my name Jason Fozzy Nelson.
It's available in hardback and I still and I believe
it's still available as a digital. I think I don't know,

(01:23:11):
but either way, buy the hardback and give.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
It to a friend, put it on your bookshelf.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Yeah, you do it to me. I made a fake award,
and I said it with my book.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Hey, but you made it, so it's not fake anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Yeah, thank you. I got at an old job I got,
they gave us a little like statues, like for appreciation week.
They were like little Oscar statues. And then when I
quit that job, I was like this, and I just.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Wanted to keep the award.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Yep. I like wrapped it inclined and put a little
crown on it. Love it made it my own. So
now that's my award. That's my book award that I
won for booking.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Yes you did, Yes, you did. So find that on Amazon.
Where are you on the social media landscape of hell?
Are you out there? No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
I'm still on Twitter, but probably canceling any day. I
only lurk. I never I never go to Facebook. I
lurk on Instagram. I don't do any social media anymore.
So you know, hope you find me. Good luck everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
But so go to good Reads, follow him there, give
him a five star review, go to Amazon and buy
his book and always be by his side.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Yeah, and come back next year when I'm on this epod. Well, well,
listen to all the episodes between now and then. But
definitely come back next year when I do another one
of these damn street.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Yeah, some times the world is black and tears run
from your eyes, and maybe we'll all get really sick,
and maybe will so let's spell still man. We can

(01:24:53):
make my my best friend. We can can make him time.
We can we can make him time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
We can make him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Not so tall, snowman. They'll have a happy face, a
happy smile, happy point of you. If you build me
a snowmad.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Then I'll feel Joe. Let's build snow man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
We can make him our best friend. We can name
him Bob, or we can name him who. We can
make him tall, we can make him not so tall snowmad. Hey,

(01:25:40):
we'll have a happy phage, a happy smile.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Happy point of you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
You give me a talking, really nuts snow

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Man, so mad, so madd

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