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Speaker 1 (00:30):
What's good, folks, Welcome to another edition of the Cover
one Film Room, the show that gives you the house
and the whys behind both the good and the bad
of the Buffalo Bills. I am one of your two hosts,
Anthony Prohaska, joined as always by Eric Turner, and we
are back here in the Film Room. Yeah, we had
a couple of weeks off because Eric wanted to be
selfish and vacation.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Even a little sun. It was a long winter, all right,
It wasn't a long.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Winter, but it's always nice too, Like write, that was
such a well time vacation, Like the draft finished, so
you finally get to breathe because it's such a especially now.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
And this is gonna sound so like, well we'll go
boo boo hoo.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But like we've talked about the show before, but the
Bills playing longer in the playoffs pushes back our draft
prep and our free agency prep, and then both of
those things are like monsters in and of themselves.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So you like you finished.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
The the grunt of the regular season and the playoffs,
but then you get right into free agency prep, which
carries right into draft prep, and then the draft happens.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So it's nice for the draft to happen and you
can just take a breath.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I mean, you know what, I'm gonna go to a
beach and I'm gonna breathe for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So, yeah, welcome back.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
You're a little uh sun kiss there from the weather
on vacation, but yeah, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Hope your vacation was good.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It was great, you knows. Just the wife and I
went to Puerto Rico for about seven or eight days.
Little rainy, I will say, it was a little rainy
this year, but we got some glimpses of the sun
as you can see, for a few hours to start
each day, and then the rain would move in. But
it's nice to get away to unwind. And I have
to honestly, I didn't watch any film on vacation. Isn't
(02:03):
that crazy? No film? Yeah, totally unplugged when it came
to that. And obviously now I'm coming back, I'm like,
I'm so behind, I'm so behind the eight ball now
because you have all these you know, the guys they drafted,
but also the undrafted guys that they're bringing in stuff
like that. So I'm excited to be back, excited to
get back into the swing of things, and we're gonna
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cover some some of the rookie stuff, some of those rookies,
some of those undrafted free agents today in the film room.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, we're gonna get I was just as you were speaking,
I was thinking of like, cause I stayed a little
bit more plugged in, still doing disguis coverage. But I
also kind of like took the opportunity to be like,
I'm gonna breathe a little bit too, because I'm like wax.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
But yeah, I feel like if I don't do anything
for a day, I'm like, oh my god, I'm behind.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
And yeah, especially with you know, all the work we
did the day of the draft or draft weekend and
the content we put.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Out and various feedback. Yeah, he got various players.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's nice to get into this part now of the
offseason schedule, Eric, where even though it's very light right now,
we're not into official training camp time in preseason time,
but it's nice to start to see things starting to
come together and everything kind of coal lessing into one.
We have the schedule released this week, and that coincides
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with rookie mini camp and all these little breadcrumbs and
beats that start to put us towards real snaps when
the pads come on, even though there is value when
the pads are not, but when we get real snaps
moving us towards meetingful football in twenty twenty five, these
practices for Rookie Mini Camp really are kind of like
the first step in a long line of things that
really push us towards the actual start of regular season
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football for the new season.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, and I know, there's only so much that can
be gleaned from these practices, especially when you consider they
had what three practices, and the media was only able
to attend the first day, so you're cramming in a
lot of content, narratives, storylines, discussions and topics, you know,
into that one practice was probably like twenty minutes minutes
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worth of you know, recording from the media and the
local beat guys. But I did still find it interesting, Uh,
some of the things that did happen. And it's not
necessarily really you know, ex and O's driven, scheme driven.
But what Rookie Mini Camp shows, you know, not just
the coaches, not just the people that cover the team.
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It really it shows everyone that the movement skills right
and so you know, we watch a ton of film,
but there's only so many things you can glean from
that you know, high high camera angle. Uh, and it's
you know, zoomed in on them as much as you can.
And so watching these video cut ups from practice and
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you know, some of the discussions surrounding I thought it
was very interesting to you know, kind of talk about
to start Max Harriston and Dorian Strong because the one
thing that popped on film, and again it's only drills,
the one thing that popped on film was that elite
athleticism and fluidity.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, it was especially when you you know, there's a
couple reps of him doing drill work. I think Jordan
Hancock is the other person who are also going to
talk about in this episode. And you can just see
even like the difference in how they break down, like
their feet, their lower body, like the juice. And it's
nice to start to see yeah, actual actual pieces again
like come together.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I like seeing.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I also like seeing how the guys show up from
a size perspective.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
We get this.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Initial piece and then like when we see him in
training camp, it's like, okay, did anybody.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Add on more muscle?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Did they lose a little bit, did they drop down?
How are they changing a bit? And it's good to
get that initial impression. And yeah, like you said, when
it comes to Max Harrison, so much has been talked
about the electricity that he has and the athlete that
he has and being arguably not just from a defensive
back perspective, one of the most athletic dudes in this
entire Like, yeah, class player, like across all positions. With
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the juice and electricity that he has and the burst
and the twitch that's very real. And yet we got
to see that along with some of that fluidity in
his lower body, especially the feet, the hips, the ankles.
He's just a really clean athlete, especially from the waist down. Again,
we didn't get a ton of like battling reps that
we got. You got to see the movement and it's
a very very very tiny piece, but it's nice to
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kind of see that. Especially when he's juxtaposed with other
players at his position doing drills at the same time,
you can see the difference in terms of the level
of athlete that he is.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's cool to see side by side Dorian Strong and
Max Harrison because of their style of play. Their experience
or you know, lack of experience, and what they do
well versus what they don't do well, and what these
two players side by side, We're going to compare them
their entire career because of the position they play, how
the Bills double dipped, and again their play style, and
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I found it very interesting their dynamic. It's so cool, man.
Obviously they're competing for a position at the same position,
and they're out there. You see Dorian Strong doing a
lot of almost coaching up Max Harriston, like really kind
of teaching him and taking him under his wing. You
got to think about Dorian Strong played a lot of
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games five years at Virginia Tech. Fourteen and forty three
covered snaps, thirteen hundred plus were in press.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
And that's a team that and that's a team of
Virginia Tech who takes their defensive football very very seriously.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I mean, Dorrian Strong played in fifty two games to
Max Harrison's thirty two, and so a lot of press
uh in that scheme. Harrison, think about this, five hundred
and fifty eight covered snaps in his career, only one
hundred and seventy nine in press. And we always differentiate
press press jam. Dorian Strong played press jam. Yes, he's
very good with his hands, and we're gonna show some
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of those clips later.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
He wants to beat you up, he does.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
He wants to get physical to do at the line
of scrimmage. And I found it so interesting because you
have Harrison, who again is very good in zone coverage,
played zone man coverage sixteen percent last year, so he
doesn't he didn't play a lot of man coverage reps.
But obviously we talked about it when we broke him down.
He's got the ability and especially the footwork and the
feet and the speed and athleticism. He has all that
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stuff checked. But it's interesting to see him paired with
Strong because Strong can now drop some of those nuggets
on how to play at the line of scrimmage physically
with hands, not just mirroring with the feet like Max
Harrison had used to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's so funny because if you could and you know,
both players are fine on their own. I don't want
to make see mikes not but if you could like
fuse the two into one man, like if you could
put the juice and athleticism into Strong, or put like
Strong's experience and technique and brain into Hairston.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, it would be it wouldn't be going thirtieth overall.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Right, Yeah, and that's really funny piece put together.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
You know, strong ticks.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
We talked so much on the show about Tray Amos,
who also I don't know if you noticed it why
you were on break. Part of the reason Amos fell
there's a back injury that came out for him.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
During the draft process. Could contributed to slide a little
bit there, makes sense.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
But we talked so much about wanting we want to
restrict airspace, we want to squeeze windows, and part of
what we wanted was, you know, more press and more
press man and you know, ability to reroute guys and
all the disruption that comes with and you get that
in Strong, but you just get a little, not even
a little bit, a lot less in that athletic profile
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versus the guy like Harrison because he's such a top
tier athlete. And it's say, it's so funny to see
them go with Strong late because Hairston is this juiced
up athletic profile guy that they really.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Don't gear towards.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But he's also strong in zone which they do gear
towards and then you've got Strong, who is the press
man kind of guy that we wanted, not this amazing
athlete like they typically gravitate towards. But he's got experience,
he comes from a good system, he's got that pedigree
at Virginia Tech. Again we talked about a high level
of defense and how much they value that side of
the ball there. And then you had just the technique
and he has to be on point with that technique
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because he does not have the athletic gifts that Harriston has.
One of the pieces we talked about with Harston is
you know, you'll watch him get fooled or get beat
and he just recovers because he's got that speed.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Dorian Strong doesn't have that kind of recovery speed.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
He doesn't have that.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He can't. He can't.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
He doesn't have that margin for air like Harston does.
So it will be cool to kind of see them
pick each other's brain and also maybe play off on
one another as they develop going forward. And also a
little nugget too, I believe they trained together this offseason,
which is cool. So they have a cool relationship, which
is nice to see two rookies, you know, coming in
and kind of having one another.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
For that, it was awesome. You know, Harrison had a
quote an oppressor after that first day and he says,
I'm taking mental reps when I watch watching Strong. Of
course him go out there, play with poise and play
like he's already adjusted. Like that was good to see again, Poise.
I think that is one of the things I highlighted.
It's in bold print and ma scone report of Dorian
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Strong because again he's got all that experience. He's played
in a very complex robber type system that kind of
matches what the Bills like to use. And then again
the the amount of reps he's played, especially with what
we think the Bills are trying to do with playing
more press and maybe a more press jam. And so
when he said that, and then when you watch this
video from Dan Fates, it really just it's cool to
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see again because they're competing against each other and you
know they obviously still they want to be the best
at that position and beat one of another. But you
still see Dorian Strong, you know, really mentoring Harrison on
his play, and I love what they're they're doing here.
So you see him up at the line of scrimmage,
Dorian Strong is the corner here, and you see Harrison
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kind of pointing to each side and he's changing his
footwork right foot up now and then he switches left
foot up and it looks to me like he's talking
about releases based on the footwork. Just little things like that,
because that will change what hand you're jamming with, what
hand you're attacking, what hips you're opening up with. It
changes the entire approach. And so you see Dorian Strong
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as they do one little rep here. You'll see him
initially the wide receiver. Harrison goes outside and you see
the inside hand jam by Strong, and then you see
the swipe. Harrison's trying to swipe it with the inside hand.
Then watch the right hand of Dorian Strong and watch
the feet of Strong and hips and how he immediately swivels.
Now he gets his right hand inside. Look at the punch,
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look at the placement. Again, this is just walk through,
but these are the different techniques that Dorian Strong is
well versed in. The Harrison really just relied on his
footwork in college and his speed. Now he's trying to,
you know, pass on some of those nuggets and some
of that technique to Max Harrison.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
This one's a tigger.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You do froze freeze frame that's so well there, Like
you see the stab there kind of in the mid section.
Look where Dorian Strong's eyes are, Like he's kind of
essentially not even kind of like he's essentially walking him through.
Like this is what you want to do from an
eye standpoint, from a hand standpoint, from a feet standpoint.
And it's so cool to have a guy. It's it's
cool to have them have this type of relationship already
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on day one where they're comfortable with one another being like, hey,
let's just go like work on some stuff after And
for Harrison to have a guy this experience and this
much of a vet like Dornian Strong. And again, this
is the type of person. Not to downplay Dornian Strong's
athletic ability, but this is the type of guy you
want to learn technique from because he relies on his
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technique and if he succeeds at the NFL level, it's
going to be because of that technique. He's not this
plus level athlete. He's not juiced up like Hairston. I
like the little foot fire there from Harston at his speed.
It makes you want to be like, hey, man, do
you want to go run some like nine routes on
offense because they could do some speed Tolay receivers. Yeah,
but yeah, it's cool to see this already, and it's
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cool to see Harston wanting to pick Strong's brain because,
like you alluded to a little earlier here, before we
got into that film clip there, we talked about Harston's
ability in man and impress but more from an athletic
profile projection standpoint. We've seen glimpses of it, but it's
more of what the profile projects to. It's nice to
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see him already trying to put some of the technique
breadcrumbs together. So compare that with the athletic profile, and again,
to learn from a guy with the technique and the
precision and the experience within the technique and precision of
Dorrian Strong, that's just really invaluable from a dude already
like just getting his feet wet at Rookie many Camp.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Right, and so let's take a look at some film
of Strong. We love watching some cornerbacks and again we
got time to discuss this type of stuff. So we're
talking press, We're talking press, Jim. You see him bottom
of the screen, jammed up bund that receiver. You see
that that punch immediately with the inside hand and then
just that left hand. He immediately gets into phase and
into the kitchen of that wide receiver and just squeezes
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him down the sideline. And then we talked about the poise.
Harrison talked about poise and how he's adjusting at the
NFL level. This again is a trademark of strong. Look
as the as the ball is dropping in, look at him,
look up, get the ball. He doesn't panic, he doesn't
have that ball panic. He goes and makes a play
at the catch point. It's something you see a ton
on his film.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, that the feel for when the ball is in
the air, whether he's you know, reading the receiver or
just knowing like the timing of routes and how they develop.
He's got a really good sense of that. And you know,
you hit hit pretty much everything here. I love, I
love it.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
This is gonna sound so like nerdy or dumb.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I get.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I love a good squeeze like to the sideline. Just
that ability again, like you're just constricting everything. And because
he's able to stay in phase and he's able to
stay within that receiver. He's able to stay on top
of him, get in his hip pocket right there, and
just look how confident and comfortable right off the line.
He gets that initial stab with the hand, moves his feet.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Doesn't I like that.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
He doesn't go with the two hand jam. He doesn't
lock his hips out. He goes with the one, stays
with his man, rides him, squeezes him to the sideline,
and then once he reads him look for the ball.
He gets back on the ball. It's nice and early,
it's nice and controlled, and we get it in completion.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And this is really when we're talking about that last
clip with Harriston and Strong working together. I absolutely love
this right here, this is taking it from the field
to the from the you know, the meeting rooms and
the drills to the field. Here against my bottom of
the screen here again watch the press jam boom, there's
the punch. You see that left foot kickout. So now
he's got his he's kind of outside of his frame
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receivers coming back inside. But that punch made a difference.
It really stymied that released by the wide receiver. He's
not into the route stem quite yet. But then now
you can punch again, stay in phase, flip those hips
to the inside and totally disrupt this quick game, which
is what Anthony something we talked about off season.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, the ability to stymy quick game and not give
up that easy stuff underneath. And this is against Kobe
George for it's funny, I.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Remember your Hurricanes.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah I can't Hurricanes.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I hate Regie to text so much, just for years
and years of beat a Miami fan. But George is quick.
He's got good long speed and he's got good quickness.
He is a better athlete and with more twitch than Strong.
So this is this is the type of player. Granted
Strong has him on some more size and physicality piece,
but there's tons of spaces you've highlighted there, and so
you've got tons of space, especial at the college level
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because you've got those wider hashes. So George has all
this space to work on the slant. If Strong doesn't
get good contact on George and George gets out of
this clean, he can start to get into full stride
because there's so much space that you highlighted there. So
it's super important and even more so too. Yeah, the
defense gets sucked in by the run angle, which they
should because Damian Martinez is such an awesome running back
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and Miami's run game was so good. If they had
any defense, they would have easily gone to the playoffs.
Hest I'll never get over it, Like, oh, okay, it's
that conversation for another time. Yeah, that that technique matters
a lot, and those punches, the ability to disrupt the
wide receiver, stay on top of the route, and then yeah,
cam Ward flings it in there thinking that George is
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going to continue his route. Strong almost gets an interception
on this one. And that's even part of it too,
Like he closed this off so much that George is thinking, Okay,
he's got leverage of me on the top, let me
kind of spin out and try and work back to
the corn, yeah, and try and do something different. But
cam Ward is still thinking he's staying on the initial
route and the initial thing that they had going on.
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So it's just another example of how much Strong kind
of disrupted display altogether just by having good technique, just
by being able to cause some disruption against a quicker, faster,
wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
All right, here's a play down the field that poised
once again playing it up through the pocket from the
line of scrimmage again attaching, staying in phase. And now
his long speed is is questionable at times, and you'll
see there's you know, there's some separation here. But again
he has that ball is dropping in. Look at him,
just pop that those eyes up and then play it
through the pocket for the pass breakup. Tremendous poise by
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Strong on this play.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, this one.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know you'll see him get beat from time to
time in the tape when you know, if he doesn't
get that jam or even if guys are just trying
to straight out burn him past the line. He doesn't
have the most recovery speed. But if that ball is
slightly underthrown and it becomes a play at the catch point,
he is comfortable kind of running some things down and yeah,
this is a nice one. Doesn't get the cleanest, right,
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we don't see a stab in a nice transition.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Almost gets run by a little bit. But look at him, look.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Back, locate the football right after he sees the eyes
of the wide receiver, like, oh, his body language is
indicating to me that the ball's up in the air,
so let me get my eyes back right there. And
then calm, cool collected punches right through the hands and
gets a nice PBu after you know, potentially being outstepped
a little bit earlier in the route.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Here's one that leads to another interception on top of
the screen that has his own awareness that he's pressing
and then he's bailing again disguising coverage right to the snap.
You see him come off of the guy going deep
and he sees a sale route by the guy inside,
goes in ahead and gets a piece of it and
it leads to an interception for the tech defense.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, I was yelling at my TV.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I literally remember this play like when when it happened,
because I just sometimes you know, I don't not even
gonna blame came more too much like on this one.
This is a good play, like you said, like from
Strong he's dropping looks like Cover three there carries that
man vertical, but he's playing the man while reading the quarterback,
so he lets that vertical route go. He sees that outbreaker.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
What does he do?
Speaker 1 (20:04):
He sits on it Like this is this is technique.
You're playing with the outside leverage. You let that steam
route go, fall off jump that out. Really nice play
and a nice feel for zone, which I think is
a good thing to show here considering how much we
talked about all the press, all the press man restricting
the airspace. He still does have some zone coverage shops.
This was a really nice one too that I also
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yelled at my TV.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yes, this is another one press bail. You see him
get out. You have you know, another vertical, two verticals,
He's splitting it and then to waste a last second,
he peels off speed, turns and goes and makes a
play at the catchpoint.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
This was similar to some of the tray Amos reps
that we really loved.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I didn't want to bring it up because that's a
little source spot with me.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
It's still a sore spot for me.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Man, Like when I saw the background dury, I'm like, oh,
that's why he felt That made me feel a little
better because.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'm like, okay, maybe that's what dingdam off for fair enough.
But yeah, this is a nice one too.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
And again something that is going to matter when you
are playing zone at college but especially in the NFL too,
like that spatial awareness that feel for routes that are
trying to put you into conflict. Can you mitigate the
space and being able to kind of stymy both routes
at the same time while not fully committing. This is
a nice speed turn he gets right on top of
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the ball and then another play right at the catch
point uses his length.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, I like what We punches right through the.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Hands and gets the hand right on the ball, Like,
don't try to just go through the mid section of
the wide receiver. Go make a play on the ball,
but make a play on the ball with physicality. Really
nice from Dorian Strong there again for a guy who
relies on his technique, because he needs to rely on
his technique.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, no, it's it's been it's been fun to watch
some of that that old film from those guys. It's
including Strong. And again we did a bunch of Harrison film,
you know, after he was drafted, so we don't want
to get too much into that again, but it was
just cool that dynamic, that relationship between Strong and Harrison.
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And again there wasn't much to glean when it came
to on the field stuff, but little stuff like that
after practice working together, that's what you want to see.
And from a Harrison standpoint, again kind of getting some
of that technique. But more importantly, it's one thing to
be coachable from coaches. It's another to be selfless enough
to get coaching from a guy that's on the same
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level as you. Yes, he has more experience, but getting
from a teammate and being able to take that information
while you guys are like still competing, that is, that
is another level of culturable that is probably not really
talked about enough.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, you could easially see Harston like her guy at
that level trying to like big game somebody else like yo,
you're a late day three pick, like I'm the first
round pick, Like I don't need anything, I don't need
to listen to anything for you. And also even going
from the other side of it too, right, like Dorian
Strong needs to do everything he can to try and
make this team, and he's out here just being a
good teammate to a guy who he may be bonded
with a little bit earlier in the draft process. So
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it's cool to see him trying to drop some gems
onto Hairston Hairston being willing to learn already right away,
Like you said, being coachable not just from the coaches,
but from you know, his teammates, and getting some extra
time in to work like it just shows a really
good culture aspect and mental dynamic from both these guys.
And uh, it was when the Bills picked Strong, it
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was so funny. I was like, that's that's such an
archetype fit for the Bills. Like that's just such the
typical like okay, decent athlete, oh technique, Oh like culture guy,
Oh a ton of experience and.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
A bunch of reps Like oh that tracks.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And so yeah, it's funny to see, you know, those
those two types of corners coming into this grouping, and
it's nice that they have a relationship already and able
to kind of learn off of one another, especially for someone.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Who has a highest ceiling like Max Harrison does.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It's uh, it's the next segment I want to talk about,
is it really? It started with Max Harrison again and
a quote that he had again. He was one of
the guys that was interviewed after that first practice, but
some of his quotes were just awesome. So here's one. Uh,
he talks about the size on defense and guys like
t J. Sanders, Dion Walker, and Landon Jackson. He's as
I'm looking at a bunch of giants and I feel
(24:02):
good to know them. Giants are on my side in
that right. There is really the epitome of what I
think Bean did this offseason, whether it's free agency and
the draft. You know, for the entire offseason, all of
us were like, you gotta get a one tech, gotta
get a big one tech, you gotta get a big
wide one tech deck and you know, two gap. And
while they did get a big one tech, it's not
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necessarily the style that the Bills fans wanted. But that's fine.
It's almost like, guess what Bean's like. You know, I'll
give you your one tech. I'll give you that big,
hulking D tackle that can play shade or play over
a center. But he's gonna play our style of football already.
He's gonna be a tack orient he's gonna be up
the field. He's not taken on and eating up blockers
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play for play. He's gonna be an attack oriented D
tackle and deon Walker. But him Landon Jackson, TJ. Sanders
reconstructing that D line. You know, it's not just about, hey,
they gotta stop the run, we gotta stack the box. No,
it's not just about that. What they're doing now is like, okay,
we have an archetype. You know, we like, we like
these tall, long defensive linemen. We're gonna go get those
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guys and and hopefully you know their length and the
ability to stack and shed, or their length and their
ability to process, run to pass and disengage and go
get the passer. Hopefully that length will not only allow
them to defend the run and the pass, but also
the height that they possess allows them to see and
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have better vision to the quarterback, better vision to the
running backs, so that they can process that much quicker.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, Land and Jackson listed at six foot six and
the Walker listed at six seven and three eighths and
Sanders obviously isn't a small guy either, but he is
compared to Checkson and Walker, who are just huge. You
know what, though, we still were close. Maybe they take
Tyleek Williams, like Tyler Williams said, if he's there at thirty,
maybe they'd take him. So we're close to kind of
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getting more of the prototypical one tech. But yeah, you
you hit it. It was so funny for them, like getting Walker.
When they got him, all I tweeted was I just
tweeted like ha ha ha, like a bunch because it
was just such a funny like, oh, there's the big guy,
and so many people were like, Oh, there's the big guy,
and it's like, no, he doesn't play like that big
guy like he is, you know which, God, these measurements
are crazy. Six 't seven, three hundred and thirty one
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pounds for Dean Walker. So he's ninety nine percent out
for height, ninety first percent out for weight, ninety third
percent out for wingspan, eighty third percent out for arm length,
eighty eight percent out for hand size.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
But he plays like he wants to be TJ. Sanders, Like,
he plays.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Like he's a penetrating, one gap shooter type of guy
despite that size. And yeah, just the body types that
they brought in and that defense, the defensive focus in general,
but especially on the D line. You know, just some
quotes from Brandon Bean throughout the different pressers and pieces
through draft weekend. You know, he said quote, I didn't
see us coming up short in games or in the
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playoffs on the offensive side of the ball. And then
with specific refers the defensive line, he said, we wanted
to be deep, we wanted to have a variety of
skill sets, and we want competition. I wanted to be
hard as well for any one of however many defensive
linemen we keep on the fifty three man roster, you
can never have enough guys up front for the length
of our season. Pun intended there for me with the
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length aspect, considering the guys that they drafted, they wanted
a rotation of guys, and they traded up for two
out of the three guys here with going up to
get Sanders, going up to get Walker. Jackson kind of
fell into their lap a little bit depending on how
you know, how high you think of Land and Jackson
and the trade back and how it worked. But they
really did continue what they did in free agency with
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the defensive line and kind of, you know what we've
talked so much about the like the basketball lineup nature
of the wide receiver room. They kind of have a
little bit of that growing now with defensive line. With
how granted, like Jackson fits someone into the Rousseau mold
and the archetype and the play style, but the body
types and the skill sets of you know, you've got
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Ed Oliver, You've got Daiqwon Jones, You've got Ogen Djobi,
You've got TJ. Sanders, You've got Bosa, You've got Hoyt,
You've got a Vanessa, You've got Rousseau.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Like all of these different body.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Types, experience levels, play styles, how they can be used.
You also still have Larry ogun Joby and Hoyt six
game suspensions looming a bit, so this gives you a
little more fire power in mixing and matching the first
six games of the season. It is uh, yeah, it's
just been an interesting mix and how they've continued to
address this group and then the theme you know of
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how it carried into this draft and the size and
presence that you feel for each of the three guys
that they drafted.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, that presence I love. Joeb from The Athletic. One
of his quotes for either Listen to this, he talks
about TJ. Sanders, says Sanders is even bigger in frame,
looks extremely quick moving latterly, which was we cover that
time and time again when bouncing off one blocker and
attacking another, he gets on that second blocker very quickly,
especially when he's doing those gap exchanges, those run stunts
and going back door. He also said he also did
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a nice job of keeping the blockers away from his
jersey enabling him to stay clean enough to make those
side to side moves. So latterly, that agility something that
we talked about prior to the draft, something that we
talked about after they drafted him. But again the size,
that agility, there's still attack oriented. Think about this, guys,
you know, as much as we wanted as fans, that
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nose tackle and we want the Bills to stop the
run to get into those third and longs. Last year,
the average third down for opposing offenses against the Bills
was third and seven point five to nine. That was fifth.
The Texans were ahead of them, the Lions, the Vikings,
and Broncos. That was it. So they got teams into
third and long, but they had obviously some issues there.
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There's some obviously some explosive plays and whatnot. But that's
why Brandon Bean, aside from knowing that this is a
passing league, teams in the third and long that is
what That's why the Bills drafted guys that are attack oriented,
guys that can go get the pass, to go get
the passer and affect the quarterback. That's why they went
and got you know, big guys again, big long arms, tall,
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better vision on the quarterback and running back, but also
guys that can use that stuff, use those traits and
skills to get off blocks and to go get the
running back or get off blocks to go get the quarterback.
So that is why Brandon being attacked the draft this
way on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Did you say attack on purpose because you're trying to,
you know, be a little tongue in cheek there and
maintain the maintain.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
The female Brandon be and and he talked about it.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
You know, I at this point now there's like so
many different interviews and clips in my brain, I can't Oh.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I think it was maybe after they drafted TJ. Sanders
that night.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
He talked about, you know the value of inside rush
and how it matters and how guys are paid. I
think we talked a little bit about it when we
did that show breaking down Sanders and Jackson in the
which you haven't watched. If you have not watched, please
go back and check that out on the cover one
channel and in the film room feed, he talked about
it like those guys are typically the ones that are
paid that you know, you can find more traditional one
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text or run stopping guys for you know they can
be a bit more cost effective, or you can find
them on the market. Those dudes who can provide inside rush,
and that's the phrase that he kept using, inside rush,
inside rush, those guys tend to be more valuable on
the market. Those are the kind of guys you gravitate towards.
And when you pair that with the ability to still penetrate,
and I think that's even what it is with Sanders
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doing what we liked about his game so much.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It's not just inside rush.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You feel that penetration style and that shooting ability and
that trigger against the run as horizontally but also upfield, like,
so he fits what they want from a stylistic standpoint,
but he also just fits from the ability to still
combat offenses against the run, Like you can stop the
run by you know, being stout and gumming the works up,
or you can split a double team, or you can
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jump from one a gap to the other, from the
A to the B and beat a guy and get
the the backfield like he does a lot. So it's
it's interesting again to see them kind of building up
the basketball lineup at defensive tackle while sitily literally it's
nuts an right, it's insane and especially to even funny too,
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with how much like a basketball player t J. Sanders
is and how much game that game. There's all those
little like tie ins. But they've now assembled what hopefully
should be a deep rotation on the defensive line. We'll
see what happens with Walker in his back and weight stuff,
and Beans already alluded to it a bunch of how
much he'll play or not play throughout the spring and
summer and getting his body right. But they really did
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throw a lot of resources on the defensive line, and
in some expected ways but also in some newer, different
kind of ways as well. It's really interesting to see
how they've continued to address the spot.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Rod asked the question, don't Lineman both sides take a
few years to develop enough to make a big impact
in games. I could see where that that generalization can
be true in a lot of cases. But you also
got to remember the Bills rotate their guys, and there
are specific situations that they are gonna have these guys
pegged for if they don't believe they're totally up to
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snuff early. But they're gonna throw everything at them, obviously,
but they're gonna have certain plays that these guys can run,
and they're gonna continuously rotate these guys, so it's not
like they're, you know, taking an eighty percent snapshare. So
they're gonna be rotating these guys and it'snna be very
limited situations, very planned out, strategically planned out situations for
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these guys to flourish.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, especially for.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Sanders, I think maybe has the biggest chance early on
because of ogen Joby's suspension, Like maybe he functions in
his defensive tackle three, but if ogun Joby was there,
they'd be able to kind of wade him into the
water a little bit easier. Jackson, you could have specific
things for him, like you've got Rousseau, You've got at Panessa,
You've got Bosa right there. Even with Hoyt having a suspension,
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you still have three bodies right there that are very
capable ahead of him, and that makes it nice to
Heylan and Jackson just go be big and long and
strong and go play the run a little bit and
then we'll kind of kick you in and do some
different pass or of stuff. So that's a really good
point there, Eric, You know at all, and again, things
are always relative to depending on the type of team,
like if you're gonna baptize somebody by fire and be like,
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hey man, we don't have any death up there.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Good luck. We need to go on the field and
play eighty percent right now.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, but yeah you can kind of wait, you know,
wad them into the water slowly a bit.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So another player that you know the Bill is drafted
that there wasn't again much footage you referenced side by
side clip of Harrison, I think doing some drills with
Hancock next to him. But Jordan Hancock safety for the Bills.
I think he'll be a safety, but they will, you know,
probably put him at nickel at times as well. I thought,
you know, I was starting to think about, like, Okay,
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the transition for him. He played more nickel in college
than he did at safety. But when I look at
how he transitions and translates into this defense, and I
do think it's a safe. But I started thinking, I'm like,
it's kind of interesting how the nickel position and the
Bill's scheme, a lot of those responsibilities are also the
same responsibilities that safeties have to carry. So when that
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nickel is detached, when Tarren Johnson is not attached to
the formation, he's out wide in the slot, who do
you think is in the run fit? It's usually a
safety coming down either from a one high look or
he's coming down post snap from depth. And I think
that's why the transition for Hancock and his skill set
and what he's really good at and taking angles to
the ball tackling. If you watch this film, he over
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communicates left and right with everyone. And again he played
that nickel position, as we always talk about that position,
especially in the Bills defense. That's the glue between the
second level linebackers and the safety is on the back
end and corners on the back end. And so I
think a lot of what he does well will translate
very good at the safety level, coming from playing most
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of his reps at nickel in college.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, they had an interesting rotation and usage at Ohio State.
So you had Lathan Ransom, who was in this draft
and is now an NFL player. Then you have Caleb Downs,
who is arguably the best defensive player in all of
college football going into this upcoming season, just nasty safety,
and then you had Hancock. They would use Downs as
kind of like they would do a lot of cool
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Tampa Too stuff and so downs would be that Tampa
player or the pole runner and sitting there pre snap
or a three high look and then dropped down as
kind of like a robber. But so yeah, so Hancock
would sometimes be you know, the split field safety. Sometimes
he's traditional Nickel and he's up in the face of
you know, a trip's bunch and he's jamming somebody and carrying.
So you would get a lot of different work from him.
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But I like his skill set on tape the more
I went back, and I'm I'm interested to see what
he kind of becomes it does he does he take
over the.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Cam Lewis type of role where it was like Nickel
and a little bit of safety.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Being talked about him a bit, he said, you know,
he's gonna be a safety and Nickel will split those reps.
He said, he'd he was less of a safety at
Ohio State, but we've seen enough from him that he'll
play there at safety.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And I think that's the play as well.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And just good size, you know, six' one almost two hundred,
pounds good testing. Measurables like you, said, though the, communication
the tackling, ability the usage In Ohio state's, DEFENSE i
think really kind of gave him a good, baseline, yes for. Multitude,
yeah and for a multitude of roles in THE nfl,
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level which gives you a higher opportunity to. Succeed you,
KNOW i don't think he's the right. Now like if
you had to plug him in and run single high
safety looks with, Him you're, like uh, oh but he
can do some split field. Stuff he can do the nickel,
stuff he can, blitz he can fit the. Run he's
a responsible. Tackler he's a forceful, tackler especially if you're
having him come down is like that buzz, safe you're
that robber a. Bit and, yeah just it's nice to
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get a guy with championship pedigree on a defense that
was loaded with talent and watching him be a voice
back there is a really cool.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Thing all, right let's go to the next. Guy there
are some good quotes On Spencer. HAWES i, Mean Jackson,
hawes you said.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
It you said, it AND i didn't even. BLINK i was, like,
Yep Spencer hawes.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Were talking pre. Show how we keep Calling Jackson Hawe
Spencer hawes so tight? End obviously he. Was he's known
for being a, blocker one of the. Best if not
the best tight, end uh at the you know blocker
in this in this draft, Class Alex braski had a
good quote On. Hawes he Says hawes put on an
impressive pass catching display during the minicamp, practice hauling in
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a number of receptions all over the, field a few
of which were of the athletic. Variety so, uh there
were some supposedly some some catches and that were away
from his. Frame he had to elevate a little bit
and make some some nice catches with his. Hands and
it's not something you saw a bunch of on his.
Film but that doesn't mean he can't do. It that's
something that scouting one on. One just because you didn't
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see it on film doesn't mean he can't do. It
sometimes that's the. Scheme sometimes that's you, know the. Personnel
there could be injuries or. Whatever there's a ton of.
Factors but when it came to his, film he he
was a hell of a. Blocker and we're talking in line,
detached we're talking on the. Move they would move him
at the, snap kind of like what we saw With
(39:08):
Alec anderson against The. Niners, yeah he's coming across the,
formation he's executing that that split flowd sifth block across the,
formation cutting that end man on the line of.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Scrimmage that a lot of the last motion like, right,
yeah and.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
So he was doing a lot of that and their
gap and countertrait type. Runs and so he wouldn't just
target those guys and make those you, know make the
contact and drive them off the, line which he did
displace a lot of. Guys he has some nastiness to.
Him he is a, finisher and So i'm excited about
this Tight end you, know hopefully you, know becomes Tight end.
(39:43):
Three i'd like to hear your thoughts, on you, know
some of the quotes that you you heard from camp
and stuff you saw from camp and obviously his.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Film, Yeah i'm A i'm a sucker for and you,
know we've talked about the. Show i've said a whole.
Bunch i'm a big believer and, like run the, football
stop the. Run so if you can give, ME i
don't want someone who's just completely, siloed BUT i like
a bit of you, know more of a traditional y
type of tight. End somebody who's just gonna yeah a
little throwback and just gonna kind of murk. Dudes and
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you see that from. Him WHAT i like about his
style as a blocker is you see him being able
to function against a variety of body types and a
variety of skill. Sets it's not just, oh, okay well
he can fit up on a safety or a smaller.
Linebacker he's Murking, mike's he's Murking. Wills he's taken edges
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like he's cracking. SAFETIES a really nice quote THAT i
had From justin who works for The Draft. Network he
did an interview With Jackson, hawes and the quote From hawes,
IS i have a fascination with the Movie. Gladiator we
as people enjoy watching violence in appropriate. Settings that's one
REASON i really love. Football the human is the greatest
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opponent you can. Have and that just translates to what
you've seen in some of these clips and the type
of player that he. Is he is, physical he's, violent
he brings his, hands he brings his, body and once
he gets into, you he is trying to bury. You
he's not just looking to, Like, okay, Cool i'll obstruct
you and stay in the. Way he wants to hit
you and he wants to bury. You AND i love.
That in a tight. End three, yeah and you said.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
It you, know his hand, placement he always gets his
hands inside the, frame and then he's running his feet,
consistently and and the thing when he makes these blocks
on the, move he reads the incoming defenders so. Well
so there are times where you know you have to
read as a, block you have to, read AM i
going to kick this guy? Out or AM i going
to seal him. Inside he does a great job of
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processing that on the fly and then executing it with
precision and then again with some with some. FINISH i
love his film as far as you know, BLOCKING i
remember it was kind of it was reminiscent Of Tommy
tremble a few years. Ago the kill shots that he
was offering on his. Film he was just murking dudes
left and right and in the run blocking game And
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hawes and a lot of his film was very, similar
just very very good technique as a run, blocker very
good you, know body, positioning very good finish and strength
at the point of, attack and a lot of the,
runs a lot of the runs if you're a Following
hawes on, film the runs were going behind.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Him, yeah he was very much made me think of
a couple of years ago when we did the scouting
for The, dolphins and it was like wherever Alec ingole
goes is where the ball. Goes and this Was hawes
was that For Georgia. Tech Wherever hawes, goes that's where
the ball. Goes and for a team for those who don't,
Know Georgia tech, heavy, heavy run the football type of,
team it's a lot of gaff.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Stuff like their emma was run the.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Football they put teams in hell with it because of
their commitment to it and the. Variety And hawes was
a legitimate weapon for them as an inline, guy just
someone they could line up next to a tackle and
he could wash down a defensive end or base block
and kick out and end or climb up to the second.
Level see you guys inside bashman. Inside but also some
of this stuff like we talked about that you guys
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are seeing here on the, tape some of that move.
Stuff you, know you can have this kind of like
an h, back send him in that blast motion and
he can kick out an, edge or he can climb
up and so the ability to kind of let him
function on some counter stuff OR i don't, know does
he maybe step in for some of the six offensive lineman,
stuff and, yeah instead Of Alec, anderson and now it's
him because he can pass protect a little, bit like.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
We showed in that.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Clip and even from the athleticism, standpoint, again he's not
this athletic, marvel especially from a long speed, standpoint but
from an explosion metric, standpoint eighty first percentile on the broad,
jump sixty seventh percentile in the vert and an eighty
seventh percentile ten yards, split he's got some short area,
legit short area, juice like five to ten. Yards you
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can see him get out if he's running that you,
know THAT otb, route the over the ball route from
a tight end. Spot he can get into the route,
quickly he can, turn he can. Sit he's not somebody
you're gonna send on wheels and he's gonna outrun. Dudes
but he can work between zero to ten yards as
a pass. Catcher you can use him on slide routes
in play, action and that ties well into those split
zone sift blocks where he can just murk. DUDES i
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really like his skill, set especially considering How Dawson knox
has rounded into or developed into a more well rounded
tight end and become a good. Blocker that's still an
area of opportunity For. KINCAID i like dropping someone With
hawes's skill set into that tight end room considering how
more pass focused or soft skill focused the tight end room.
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Is now you get more of a monster and a
maller who's got some short area explosion that maybe can
benefit in the pass a little.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Bit, yeah it's a little different. Approach when they Had Quinton,
morris he was a former wide receiver that they had
to teach the block and he actually developed.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Really a very good job that he came. From, yah
now you're.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Kind of flipping the. Script now you've got a run
blocker and now you've got to mold him into a
guy that can again get open the underneath, areas be that.
Outlet but he does open up some personnel grouping stuff
where if you want to run more thirteen, personnel you,
know he can not only block for the run block
as a against the path you, know as a pass,
blocker but also get again check out in the, routes
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getting out into routes so you can it opens up
thirteen personnel a little.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
More who needs wide receivers when all you're gonna do
is go six offensive linemen and thirteen personnel all day
and run the ball down people's throats and go play action.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Right and so now you can pivot, right like you,
said you can take that TWO i think was it
two hundred and sixty plus snaps with six offensive linemen last.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Year now you think, roughly, yeah, yeah you can.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Take some of that down a little, bit and now
you can put, obviously if he remains healthy and works
his way on the roster and, everything now you do
open up some of the personnel grouping stuff and make
the defense have to guess a little. More so that
that'll be interesting to watch his, development much like we
Saw Quentin morris. Do it'll be you'd be interesting to
watch his development going. Forward another guy that stood, out
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AND i See John robert in the chat talking about,
Him SO i do want to get to a wide,
Receiver Kayden pray. There Sale capaccio had a good quote
On pray. There he said he had a great, day
really solid routes got opened and made some impressive. Catches
all your thoughts on his film and and and some
of what you heard out of Rookie Mini.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Camp, yeah let me go pulling up my evaluation on.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
HIM i WAS i was surprised with some of his stem,
Work like there's some gear, changes some. Deception he had
a route AGAINST usc where he did that they're going
from left to, right he's THE x to the top
of the screen and he did kind of like that
the josh downs like walk thing a little bit in the.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Middle halfway through the, route he kind of like kind
of changed the pace of it and like he was
kind of almost like mid almost, stopped, yes and then accelerated.
Yeah and then he did a little jab out and.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Came back in and, separated AND i was, Like, oh
that made me perk, up AND i was, like that's
really cool for a seventh round wide.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Receiver he didn't get the ball and he just looked
at THE dv.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
And was, like exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
What he turned back around and pointed, like, oh LIKE
i got, you, Dude like and that kind of made
me perk up a.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Bit SO i like some of. THAT i like some
of the deception in his, stems some of the gear.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Changes not a very explosive, dude but he does have
some suddenness that shows in the breaks and in his real.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Leases good body. Control WHEN i started out with.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
HIM i thought he had amazing, hands like he's plucking
the ball left and. Right really good hands. Catcher and
then as you go through a little more some of the,
GAMES i saw some drops THAT i didn't. LIKE i
didn't know if he got, caught and there was one Against.
NORTHWESTERN i don't know if he lost the ball in the,
lights but he should have came down with. It another
kind of ugly drop Against, rutgers but plucks the. Ball
he is a hands. CATCHER i like some of his
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release work as. Well you see him being able to
lean into the size and fluidity that he has as an.
Athlete he's able to throw some corners by because he
does have some. Size he's like a hightweight speed kind
of Guy's Brandon bean alluded to him as and he's
not a big yat guy and a big like shake
and wiggle. Guy he can make the first guy miss
or you, know get past that first guy trying to get.
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Him but he's not a huge, like, oh let's just
get him the ball in space and let him do.
Work but, overall for a seventh round wide, RECEIVER i
thought he had a decent amount of eggs in a
multitude of, baskets and he had a couple flashes THAT
i really liked, him was happy with, again especially first
seventh round wide receiver dropping him into this bucket THAT usc.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Film obviously his best game last. Year BUT i thought
what was interesting about him starting early in the ROUTE.
STEM i thought he did a great job of varying
his releases here in a, SECOND i, thought in that
changing your, release you're running the same, route but changing
your release to get into that. ROUTE stem can help
when you see corners that are in your face and
(48:28):
trying to play, press trying to play press jam and
mirror man coverage because again you're making him think for a,
second which you, know if you're doing a move one
way or the, other and then you're changing up the
next time. Around maybe he opens his frame a little bit,
more maybe he punches with the wrong, hand and now
you're into your route and you can get away from that.
Jam because there are some times where as big as he,
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is he does get jammed. Up he had to a.
SCRIMMAGE i thought you mentioned it with THAT usc. Route
he does know how to use his route. Pacing he
does speeds going into a break halfway into a break
like he does know how to do, that so that'll
be fun to watch that. Develop BUT i do think
(49:10):
he double catches a. Lot he had one drop last,
year he had five the year, before six year before,
that and.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Two so that one drop quote unquote last YEAR i
thought was a bit misleading because he had some other ones,
that LIKE i, guess didn't get a credit.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
To, yeah It's Gabe davis. Again AND i hate to
bring that up BECAUSE i know it's a hot topic
right now With gab being a free. Agent but the
Way pray there one with his, size his ability as
not being super fast but ability to still get opened
down the, field sneakly get opened down the, field it
reminded me Of. Gabe And i'm gonna bring up. This
(49:42):
this player a few plays From prayer here is a usc,
game so so this is something that this is Something
gabe used to do time and time again AT. Ucf
so you're seeing him at The Bob miss screen and
let's see here there we, go all, right and just
watch watch right foot, up left foot. Back it's a
wide split to watch how instead of coming and bring
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this foot up so then he can create that two
way go he executes what we call a gather, step
and so instead of again coming to a, stagger you're
gonna see this left foot go here to push off
the go and release. Outside and that movement may seem
like it's a little, extra but that can confuse dbs
because again they're, expecting as we saw in That hairston
(50:28):
And Dorian strong, interaction that right foot up or left foot.
Up that changes how you release and how you get
to your. Release and you see that gather step and
you see him get outside and there there's some separation.
There now he doesn't get the ball. There but again
this is Something gabe used a bunch AT ucf and
and at THE nfl, level AND i saw it from.
Prayer there's that little that lasts at the top of
(50:50):
the route right, there and look at that. Separation he
can get open down the field with stuff like. That
his this is gonna probably.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Sound So homer's, like his best reps for me are
ones where he probably didn't get the, Ball like he's
got some good route stuff WHERE i was, like.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Oh and THEN i was.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Like throw throwing the, ball like there were so many
times WHEN i wanted to see him get.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
It and, yeah you talk about that release that gather.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Step he does that a, lot like where he just
dips the shoulder and he goes, bye.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
GUYS i like.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
THAT i like seeing the variety and that good call
on him needing that and using, that because even against
some smaller, corners when he gets like he'll get a
good someone will get a good jam on him in
his chest and it almost kind of like it shocks
him more THAN i would like considering his size and.
Frame so him being able to stay fluid and clean
on the line is. Nice and he wields that gather
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step and a variety elite release moves to stay clean and.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
YEAH i love.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
That Oh i'm throttling, down just kidding Psych and then
he gets, Opened LIKE i like that ability to separate
downfield because of the deception in his.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Stem so here's that varying, release same. Game top of the,
screen he's running the, go he's releasing outside right foot.
Up what's he doing this? Time boom comes to a gather.
Step now he can, again he can break, outside he
can break. Inside he again, outside and then you see
him create separation as he gets down the field and that,
stagger you, know while it didn't create as much separation
explosively in the, release you still see. Him he's able
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to duck under the, hand just a little bit of
THE dB and then they're right. There there's some. Physicality
chops down on the hand as THAT dbi tries again
in his kitchen and then eyes up and you see
him on the back shold of the throw go up
and get the. Ball kind of a double catch, again
but make a play AGAINST.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Usc it's one hundred percent of double catch.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
Again he'd like one thout as you see it more
on this end zone angle like he goes up and gets,
it which is, sweet and then you're.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Like all go, up get it at double catch as
he goes. Down, yeah, Right AND i like this.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
One this THE usc game was the first ONE i,
watched so it got me. Excited this was one of
the reps THAT i you, KNOW i think it's early
on in this, game like one of the first ONES
i really. LIKE i just like that dipping the shoulder
like you, SAID i like the hand, fight chop down that.
Arm you're not gonna stay attached to, Me you're not
gonna get a feel for. Me let me just break
this off right here and start to get clean And.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
You know what's funny is as he chops down right.
There he did that several times in this game where
the guy was actually an off coverage so the guy
wasn't in favor with, him and as he was coming
up to that collision point and closing that, space he
like put his hand up like he was gonna, chop, like,
Hey i'm gonna do. It i'm gonna. Catch so he
kind of he kind of messes with the brain OF
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dbs and in various ways that it's actually kind of.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Funny, yeah he ties some stuff in if he like
if he beats somebody or through somebody by, earlier he'll
fake that and then he not throw it down and
go and try and beat you vertically with. It and
that got me excited again for a seventh, round. Dude
like the processing or the the way he kind of
set guys up is what got me. Excited and THEN
i know he double catches it. There BUT i was, like,
okay go, up like use your, size go, up get the,
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football bring it down like that was a nice route.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
THERE i it's just a, OH i gotta. Stop we
got super.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Chat.
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Carl thank you very much for being. Here thank you
very much for the super.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Chat carl, SAYS i know it's, early But i'm starting
to get really excited about this. Team could it be
our offense gets better and the defense becomes a. Strength
and then he asked, us where can you see a?
Weakness is a special, teams, kicker? Punter, okay so we
got a variety piece. Here So, eric let's break it.
Down so do you, know do we think the offense
maybe got a smidge? Better and do we think the
(54:16):
defense can become a strength for this? Team and where
do you see a weakness on this?
Speaker 3 (54:20):
Team?
Speaker 2 (54:22):
YEAH i mean the WEAKNESS i would say it has
to be a special. TEAMS i do expect the defense
to step their game. UP i do think that they're gonna.
PLAY i just feel a different style of attack coming
this year with this defense and the piece.
Speaker 1 (54:36):
They better given the players that they brought, In, like
it can't just be.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
The, investments you, know whether you're talking financially or draft.
Assets it should be. Better AND i don't know if
they'll become the, strength BUT i do expect them to
step up in moments at more times than not than prior.
YEARS i THINK i think they have the pieces to
attack on early, downs but they also have the pieces
to really go after the quarterback on those obvious pass us.
(55:02):
Situations AND i think they have those pieces that can
finish and close some of those third downs to get
the defense on off the field And Josh allen back
on the.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Field, Yeah i'm in a similar.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
VOTE i, think you, know, so could could it be
our offense gets? BETTER i think a lot of that
is going to be dependent upon how Well Josh palmer
functions in how much Better Keon coleman, is and then
a Healthy Dalton. Kinkaid BUT i do think there's a
pretty reasonable chance that the offense is better year Two Keon.
Coleman you get a full off season and year Of Josh,
(55:34):
palmer WHICH i think can be better than the mid
Season cooper, acquisition and then he was banged up a little.
Bit and how that FUNCTION i Think palmer helps is
that basketball lineup for the wide receiver room. CONTINUES a
Healthy Dalton kincaid matters a. Lot and even if that doesn't, happen, yeah,
Fair and even if you don't have, that you still
just got a really good offensive line in a really
(55:54):
good run, game and you can just run the hell
out of the. Ball so LIKE i Just i'm not
be very careful with, this and no, Jinks i'm not
really worried about the offense because they have a thing
that just translates, well like there is no, like, okay
we got to scout The bills run. Game they're not
doing anything like schematically. Crazy they just have good players
in a good sound level of execution and good, coaching
(56:16):
and they can vary up their concepts and beat you
in the run game from the spread or from heavy,
condensed whatever you, want they can get. You so BUT
i do think based on those little, variables the offense
definitely could be better this. Year the Defense i'm hoping is,
better just considered the considering the level of investment and
then the players they brought in to eric to your,
POINT i expect some little a schematic shift And i'm
(56:38):
hoping for that WHERE i see a Weakness i'm still
gonna drill down. ON i think they can still get
displaced in their spine just because the size of, everybody
BUT i think they can mitigate that with game script
and play style. Elements so it's gonna be ayeahin schemes
is going to be a bit of kind of like.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
You can just how they. Fit you can, also like
we talked about in the film room several, times is,
now well they have guys Like benford And harrison whoever
they start out at corner that they can just leave
on an. Island let them go cover who's out there and.
Disconnect we always talk about marrying the the you, know
the pass rush and, coverage but there are times where
(57:16):
you need to. Disconnect you need to to put more
assets to stop the. Run now they can do. That
they can lock those guys, up don't worry about them.
Go you, know have those guys just man for man them,
up and now they can disconnect the front seven and
go stop the run if they need to or or.
Go you, know if you have a mobile, quarterback now
you have to do you, know you have to account for.
(57:36):
Everyone you don't have to worry so much about giving
up too many explosive plays because you, guys you have
guys that you can rely on on the. Outside, theoretically, yeah.
Theoretically SO i think that is what is interesting because
the conversation has always been, hey you, know pass, rushing
coverage and marrying them together so that they're complimenting each
(57:57):
Other we talk about it all the time every year
and almost everyone in the, game but there are times you.
Can't you have to, disconnect AND i don't think they
have had that quite the last couple of. Years and
so that'll be interesting to watch unfold as you, know
camp and And OTA's and all that stuff starts and
we start to see how things start to shake.
Speaker 1 (58:16):
Out, yeah we talked about a little bit when they Drafted,
hairston like the opportunity Of, okay you know you didn't,
increase you, know how stout you are on the. Interior
but If harston works out theoretically like you hope he,
does now you've got two corners on the outside that
you're comfortable playing. More whether it's like true man from
A cover one perspective or you, Know cover, three but
those guys are essentially on islands out. There you can
(58:38):
feel comfortable being, like you know, what we're just gonna
put more bodies in the.
Speaker 3 (58:41):
Box you know we're gonna put.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
It we're gonna spind a safety down right on the
snap or keep a safety down, initially and we're gonna
operate kind of like how we did Against, detroit where
we're gonna use run blitzes and numbers to gap out
and beat the, run and we can trust our corners
on the outside and that's a way that you, Know,
okay they didn't ADD Tylerk williams Or Alfred collins OR.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
Dj jones stared to, dream but.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
They can still get after the quarterback from the. Interior
they still have those inside rush guys that can affect
the run from a penetration, standpoint and then they can
use numbers to mitigate some of the you, know that
lack of stoutness and feel comfortable with those numbers in
the box because of what they have on the.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
Outside so thank You carl for that super. Chat great,
Question brad has one for us as. Well there's been
a lot of hype and, excitement but do you think
two point five million guaranteed is enough of an investment
to Predict Elijah moore making the fifty three man. ROSTER
i don't like to get into the financials of, That,
anthony but what are your thoughts on the player and
where he fits in The bills offense all?
Speaker 1 (59:37):
Together you, KNOW i WAS i hadn't watched a lot
Of Elijah moore Since Ole, miss like since he came
OUT i was pleasantly surprised with what he did with
This cleveland, Tape like there's some there's some good, deception
there's some good feet kind of getting.
Speaker 2 (59:52):
You're gonna say what he did with really bad. QUARTERBACKS
i honestly thought you were going in that. DIRECTION i was, Like,
oh he's about. That but the, noil the freaking uh
nail down, there, like oh my, GOD i think it
was Not it was not.
Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Great, Wrong, no, YEAH i hit that's that. Wrong, Yeah
but some of some of the flashes were really. NICE
i think it's more for, me no. Disrespected like the
wide receiver, ROOM i just don't think this is a
room where anybody like has a spot that's like aside
from Like Khalil, shakir like you could make a case
for snap shares varying amongst everybody. There if If hollands
(01:00:28):
had come, BACK i would have been very, confident like
from a snapshare, perspective Like shakir And. Hollins we know
What hollins can do as a blocker and did some
stuff as a pass, Catcher SO i think those like
roles are. Locked BUT i do think it's A i
do Think moore has a really good shot like you
got to see what Key On coleman looks like in year.
TWO i Think palmer is a very much a lock
for this. Team Curtis samuel last, Year i'm still gonna
(01:00:50):
kind of hang my head on this a. Bit before
he heard his toe in training, camp he was looking
great and he got used in a multitude of ways
in training. Camp the first couple of, days in first
couple of weeks in, camp he was the move, guy
he was the, Adjuster he was used to create leverage
in a variety of ways for this.
Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Offense and he was getting the.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Ball and then he dings his toe up like the
last week of camp or, preseason and it impacted him
throughout the entirety of the first half of the, year
and then crazy he starts to get healthier towards the back.
End now we see him getting all this work in
the back. End SO i think there's a shot for
more to kind of win a wide receiver. Spot in
terms of wide receiver, five we're going to see kind
of what competition looks. Like BUT i do, think you,
(01:01:29):
know however you want to slice it, Up Shakir, Coleman
samuel And palmer are pretty solid in that grouping for
like what a top four looks. Like and THEN i
Think moore has a, really, really really good chance to
win a wide receiver five unless they just want to keep.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Four i'm trying to temper my expectations BECAUSE i do
think his skill set and the context surrounding his play
his first few years in the, league think his skill
set could really work With Josh allen The bills. Off,
yeah especially if you're talking much like saw With. Samuel
you're seeing man, coverage you're seeing single high, coverages and
(01:02:03):
he's running these crossing. Routes, Yep he's obviously very, fast
but he also has some really deceptive route stem running
like a very Deceptives.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Yeah when he's running like an out and he gives
some shifty body language to make you, think oh you're
breaking inside psych.
Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
And he's out of the break immediately out of the
break so quick route drops routinely fools the corners and
eats up their. Cushion and So i'm trying to time
for my expectations BECAUSE i do think that he could
have a really nice season and work his way into
a bigger contract With Josh allen at The Helm and
SO i just love his quickness in his ability to
(01:02:43):
run away from people and you, know when they want
to run some of those mesh concept versus. Man he
can run away from. Guys, now he does have some
ball security. Issues sometimes he kind of takes his eyes
off the ball in. TRAFFIC i think he struggles with
reading zone. Coverages but again in man coverage, SITUATIONS i
like having his skill set on top Of Curtis samuel
as you mentioned two guys THAT i think could really
(01:03:06):
help The bills in man cover situations in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Five, yeah and all of a, sudden you, know if
he wins the spot, THERE i think his skill set
just dropped in in general With palmer's ability to kind
of operate from a precision standpoint and win in the
intermediate and. Underneath but he can get vertical with some
deception and fool you a bit and get on top of.
Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
You you've Got.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Keyan coleman and what he is and what he's, been
and Then shakir who emerged last, Year samuel what he
looked like when, healthy and Now Elijah. Moore now you've
added another speed, element another you, know some yards after catch,
potential some, athleticism some inside outside.
Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
Versatility you could get really creative with. Him you. Know
i'm just thinking, of.
Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Say you put you've got four receivers on the, field
And palmer's the receiver by, himself and imagine you've got
A trip's bunch and It's Shakir samuel And Elijah. Moore
you just throw any one of those guys in motion
and all of a, sudden change leverage and you've changed
possibilities a little, bit and who you create releases for
and how it changes. Coverage AND i do think from
an athleticism, profile it does have me a bit, excited
(01:04:10):
AND i think he could easily be wide receiver. FIVE
i know some people are, like, oh he's immediately the
third best receiver on the. Team we'll see kind of
what that. Means AND i think a lot of it
for all the. RECEIVERS a lot of it's going to
be dependent on the jump That Keon coleman, makes BECAUSE
i think they want him to get a higher. Snapshot
it's just a matter of if he earns it and claims, it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yeah and then learning a new offense for him right
more specifically learning a new. Offense most of the guys
already have been in this offense and getting on the
same page With josh a lot of times that is
the most important, thing you, Know can he read more
coming in and out of? Breaks are they on the same.
Page that is something that takes some time to, develop
and you Hear Josh allen talk about how important that
(01:04:52):
is to his game and his trust in a wide
receiver or tight end time and time. Again every year
you hear. That it's usually one of the buzzwords that
you you hear or storylines you hear as soon as
training camp. Starts so that is that is where you,
Know i'm trying to temper of my expectations no, more
BUT i do think that he could have a very
good season if he's able to pick up on the
(01:05:13):
offense get on the same page With Josh allen going
forward into the twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Five, yeah the athleticism profile is still, there like the
guy that was coming out Of Old. Miss you see the,
explosion you see the, juice you see the athleticism like
that always has value for any, offense but especially for
a group like The bills that you know could use
more explosion and more verticality in that presence and what
it could, mean, YEAH i.
Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Am i'm excited for.
Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
It made receiver or a nice fun, competition LIKE i
think we've got some fun competition on the defensive, line
fun competition at, safety like some.
Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Spots that like started starting jobs are up for. Grabs
and then receiver was kind of like.
Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Okay because you, know come preseason that guys at the
top of the jet start. Courlier shaki is not going
to get a ton of work in the preseason. Games
but Maybe Elijah morris seeing a ton of, Snaps you're
kind of seeing what he can, do let, alone camp
battles and all that kind of. Stuff and See, john you,
know throwing out a mention For. Shavers, Yeah shavers had a,
nice very long touchdown last. Year we'll see if he
can be the prince that was. Promised all of a
(01:06:09):
sudden becomes a spot to potentially watch for a little
bit come training, Camp, eric as we look forward towards this,
offseason so Rookie minnie, camp and we've talked about this a.
Bit where is your head at what are you focused
on going? Forward is there anything that's kind of sitting
in the forefront of your brain around This bills team
or around this. Roster as you, know the twenty twenty
(01:06:31):
five season starts to inch closer week by.
Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Week, No i'm just LIKE i, Said i'm still catching
up on some of the guys towards the bottom of the,
roster and so trying to still acquire some of that
film to kind of catch up and see what they
have to offer the. Team and so AS i still
get you, know kind of get back into the groove,
again make sure to check out obviously our social media.
(01:06:53):
Profiles we post a bunch of, film a bunch of
notes and nuggets when it comes to you, know, film we're,
watching guys we're watching on, film and any transactions that.
Happen but, again you, know thanks for all the. Sport you,
know it's been a it's been a busy, offseason a
lot of change for this, team and so we're trying
(01:07:14):
to stay on top of all of the work That
Brandon bean and this team has given. Us and so
we do appreciate you guys always supporting us, always you,
know sharing by word of, mouth sharing the, links whether
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(01:07:35):
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toes and so we're we're doing a little catch up right.
Now but, again thanks for hanging out with us. TODAY
i know it's a little different time time frame and,
timeslot but we appreciate everyone joining us today.
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Live, yeah thank you very much every week who joined
us on this you, know Live monday. Afternoon sometimes we'll
record On monday afternoons but offline and then we'll upload it.
Later it was cool to see all the engagement and
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A monday.
Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
AFTERNOON i feel like everybody's still like it Was Mother's day.
Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yesterday we don't feel like working all, right, cool let's
still this show on like a.
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Tap out earlier for the.
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People and.
Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
No, YES i actually had to a little nugget for
you guys as training camp. APPROACHES i don't know if
you guys, remember But Sell capacia AND i did a
podcast last year called guy to the grid. Iron it
was more of like football one oh, one where we
kind of explained, things slowed things down a little. Bit
we're gonna expand on that a little. Bit we're gonna
(01:09:38):
we're gonna rebrand it a little. Bit But sale AND
i will be doing a podcast usually On mondays or
a day or two after the games in, season and
we're gonna expand not just on you, know the x's
and o's and definitions and glossary type, stuff but also you,
know you're gonna hear our opinions and reviews on the.
Game it's gonna be cool because obviously he's on the,
(01:09:59):
Sideline obviously he's at all the, pressors and there are
gonna be times where, like, hey maybe we're watching the
game AND i see something And i'm, like, hey you
should ask about, this you, know and maybe it leads
to an awesome question and awesome response and then vice.
Versa you, know he could, say you, KNOW i heard
this AND i saw this on the sideline during the,
game blah blah, blah and THEN i look into it
AND i find something cool on. Film so we have
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some cool ideas and segments set up for that that podcast,
again it's probably gonna drop right around training, camp but
keep your eyes peeled for that one Cell capacia from
w G r AND i will be starting a podcast
re upping our podcast from last.
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YEAR i was gonna, say, yeah reup and.
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Reap, yeah it's, nice, Nice, yeah make sure to check
that out if you have not.
Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Already and that'll do it for.
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Us in this episode of The cover one film room,
again rate, review, subscribe like word of, mouth all of
that kind of.
Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Stuff tomorrow, Night i'll be going live For Disguised. Coverage
Kendell mursky will be joining me and we will be
diving Into Dalton.
Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
KINKAID a lot of people have a lot of thoughts
On Dalton, kincaid good and some. Bad we will be
diving into him and juxtaposing his play, style skill set
and schematic usage With trey, McBride Sam, laporta And Brock
bowers because those are still a lot of guys young
tight ends that he gets compared to a.
Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
Lot so tune in for that episode Of Disguise.
Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Coverage you've got the air raid hour later tonight because It's.
Monday i'm still thrown off because we're live on A
Monday i'm trying to go through everything in my head
and then YA i Got Under review With Joda Rosa
tomorrow night at seven, thirty and Then Cover One buffalo
With greg And Aaron wednesday at.
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Nine appreciate, you.
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Folks enjoy the rest of Your monday afternoon and Your monday.
Evening if you live In, buffalo it's beautiful. Outside go
get a run, in go play, outside or if you're like,
me go get some ice.
Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Cream, eric that was for. You i'm enjoy the rest
of Your, monday.
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Folks we appreciate, you and we hope you and your
family and friends and loved ones are all doing well
and staying. Safe be kind to one, another take care
of one.
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Another we'll see. You when we see, you, godspeed and
as always Go BILLS.
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