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Speaker 1 (00:30):
What's good, folks, Welcome to another edition of the Cover
one Film Room, the show that gives you the hows
and the whys behind both the good and the bad
of the Buffalo Bills. I am one of your two hosts,
Anthony Prohaska, joined as always by Eric Turner and Eric.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
The weather's starting to turn a little bit. It's getting
a little warmer, summer's starting to get here.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
We're getting away from well, Buffalo has been kind of
really back and forth. I shouldn't even say I'd poured
rain today, so I'm kind of lying. But we're excited
because we're getting closer to actual football training camps around
the corner, pre season around the corner from that, the
regular season from there, and we're not alone in this
episode today.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's a good time to be here in the film.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
How are you feeling? How's it going?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I feel great, man, Like you said, football is around
the corner. The Bills have, uh, you know, some some
practices tomorrow, so I have some some content and stuff
to talk about. But once again, you know, we're we're
bringing players in to talk about their twenty twenty four film.
Things that they've learned and you know, developments in that area,
but also looking forward to twenty twenty five. And in

(01:31):
this episode we're joined by guard Osirius Torrence once again
back in the film room. This this is your second
or third time. I think it's your third time.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Right, think it's my third time, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Yeah's keeping camping right.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Appreciate you, thank you, thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
So how are you looking forward to practices again tomorrow?
Do you expect to see everyone there pretty much a
camp and you know at at one Bills Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, I'm excited for tomorrow. Officialst starts to a mandatory
part of it, So I mean, sure, anybody's going to
be a comment being attendance. It's excited to kind of
get back on the grass with everybody, to get back
moving around and kind of seeing how he looked. You know,
it's like an early little preview of what we got
coming in accomp.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
You were on.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I think the last year you're on was middle of
July last year. So going into your year two obviously
now you are going into your year three. Is there
anything for you in particular you're looking for from yourself
going into this year or is there anything different on
your mindset this year versus last year, or is it

(02:33):
just kind of general another year in the league, another
year wiser type of deal.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
As you head into year.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Three, it's definitely another year in the league, another year
being wise and just getting better and being better than
old last year. But also just feel like my more
focused on this year, just being more a student of
the game, being able to look at the defense and
kind of get a feel for what they might run,
or being able to get a field throughout the game.
Or we've been seeing a pressure from this side because

(02:58):
of backers a little bit outside the big gap more
than usual, A small stuff like that. I do want
to get better at many of us notice, I feel
like it's gonna definitely help me get to another level.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Now before you you know, you go into twenty twenty
five season, When you compare your first and second seasons,
what were the biggest differences you saw on tape or
even again from the shoulders up, What were some of
the difference you just saw from your first year to
second year. Again, this is what's so fun about having
you on three times is we are able to build
a library of your film, of your development and things

(03:30):
you've been working on. So what were the differences between
your first year and second year on.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Film for me, for what I could see, just like
I could say I play like with more confidence just
being out there and like the way I move and
like high in between players and mannerism. Just feel like
I'm out there like most so like I belong instead
of like I'm just here. And I can kind of
notice that myself. I'm looking at film and also seeing
like I feel like I played more faster to the game.

(03:55):
That makes sense, And that's not like I'm trying to
like I guess you could see my rookie years like
some all over I want to say, it's all over
the place, but you see like I'm behind, I'm kind
of too fast. But now it's like last look at
it and be like, oh, I'm with the speed of
the game, if not like going a little bit better
than with the game, if that makes sense. But I
feel like that's exactly know this for myself.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
No, that one hundred is that makes sense, Like I
feel like that's really kind of you hear that a lot.
But almost for any sport, like the more you're in
the league, the game slows down a little bit or
it kind of comes to you a little bit and
for someone like you, I think, well, for every player
it's important, but you know, for us, especially for somebody
like you, who is so physically imposing and who you know,
if you can get your hands on somebody, it's almost

(04:37):
a wrap almost every single time. And that kind of
physical dominance for you, it's almost kind of like your
calling card or what gets.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Talked about you the most.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
But do you think there's an aspect of your game
that you think is overrated or underlooked and people kind
of focus too much about the power the size of
the physical dominance when it comes to your game.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Oh, I won't say that. I mean that's I want
to say best majority of my game. That's probably one
of the most one of my strengths of my game,
like by physical power. So I mean I'm I say
people just probably the knowledge of the game I have,
which I mean, you can't really tell too much regard
from how you playing, like how how smarty is of
knowing like what's going on. But I can say for myself,

(05:18):
like how my teammates and my coaches that spect better
probably be one of the things that I've gotten better.
And also just like since we hit each other every
players like you gotta let the game kind of come
to you. You can't go in there like two orthough
or too ready to go going as let the game
kind of start flowing in because I mean we're gonna
hit it's different receiver, Like they might not get into
the second quarter. Then the game start like coming to

(05:39):
them before us. It's more so like than it hit
power up and like start and like get a feel
for it and if that makes sense again, like just
kind of get a feel for the game that it
come to them. It's like like kind of getting like
a flow state and you know, start playing. Love that.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
So one thing that's always talked about is grading. Third
party grading you hear you know PFF and and a
lot of different agencies that have kind of grown to
grade you guys and grade your film and put numbers
on how well you played or how you know, how
bad you played. I'm interested in the teams grading for
you when you compare the first year to second year.

(06:14):
How do their grades for you? How does what does
you know chromer talk to you about when you compared
your first year the second year and with the team grading,
not the PFF stuff, but the team grading.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
When I talk with n like every year after the year,
it was more so like he after after my rookie year.
He just said, like going in like he was just
excited for my growth throughout the season and seeing how
it would like progress, because like I didn't hit like
a rookie of wall if that makes sense, Like I
didn't until like a point where it's like I need

(06:47):
to break anything like that. I was able to just
keep it going and like he praised it. But also
like the physical part wasn't really a problem for me
for this, So it's more so like just mentally getting
better each week. And I think that's probably more so
of what they graded me off of. Like like today
we had our exit medias and it was kind of
more so the same, like I told them what I
wanted to get better still like the same, Like I'm

(07:08):
just trying to be more sound than a student of
the game because growing up I always been physical and
had that aspect. And I don't want to say I
got a downpack. It's definitely not still work on, but
it's something like something I really focus on more so
it's like that part of my game, like the mindset part,
like being in being making sure I come to the
game the right mindset, and being able to stay in
the right mindset, like learning more about myself to be

(07:29):
able to do that, and being able to get the
mental part of the game like downpack, like knowing the players,
knowing myself, like knowing the tendencies of the defail.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
So throughout this even just this, like early part you mentioned,
like the mental side and the knowledge piece and the
football IQ piece so much. One of the questions we
asked the last time you were on the show was
about like your film study habits and how you were
seeing the game and you know where you were going
into your two now going into year three and again,
how much you've talked about that mental side, has anything?
Have you changed used anything from a film study perspective,

(08:02):
or are you seeing the game in a different way
like that allows you to look at film differently or
study differently, Like just I guess just talk about how
much your has your preparation habits changed or have you
just locked into more and kind of knowing what you're doing,
Like just how is that the study and the prep
process changed or improved for you going into this year.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I don' won't say it changed much. I have to
improve because I do know more of what I'm looking
at and looking for for differently certain concepts, Like sometime
we be studying plays and then you be looking like wondering,
like what we gonna do on display if a line
like a blitz off the edge, like you're doing right
here against this team. But it's more so like knowing,
like we just we wouldn't warn this formation against this team,

(08:42):
so he wouldn't list like this. So knowing stuff like
they're being able to watch film and not have to
worry about stuff like that because this formation, so they
won't happen. So I think more so like I don't
because I watched film. I'm not the biggest field person
like I more so like walk throughs, and I prefer
to practice. I don't necessarily I like film, but it's
not my favorite thing to do. We get to the facility,
so I own I don't watch no more. I don't

(09:04):
watch too much, more feel than I usually do. But
it's more so like knowing what I'm looking for, so
like when I watch it, I can use all the
time I got like yeah efficiently, So yeah, that's kind
of one of the things I like, kind of tweaked
a little bit about my feeling study.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
And that's fair because people, you know, people learn in
different ways. You know, some people can learn just by
visually looking at something. Some people learn better by actually
walking through it. And I walked through is more more
beneficial to a guy like you, and that that that's fine.
I'm actually the same way. Throw me in the fire
and let me just.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Let me, let me figure it out.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Even within that too, there's something they think to be
said Eric and serrus for like if you if you're
trying to watch everything, you can almost get like lost
in it. So being able to niche down or narrow
down a little bit and not have to see everything.
Like every time we've had Greg Russo on, you know,
he keeps talking about like how you know, so it's
like you're not like you're drinking through a fire host
you just get to narrow it down more and more.

(10:01):
And so that way, if you're able to narrow down
what you're studying, and you know, you can throw out
what you don't need to know, it just makes it
so much so much better to both your guys points.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah exactly, just like I like to split it up
spill on defense and watch just my side of the
line and watch the other side of the line. Then
it's like kind of put it together instead of just
my rookie, I'll just watching like the whole old line
dealer running back and linebackers. I'm just trying to play
they running, but not like what they're doing to stop it. Then,
so I feel like, definitely now I could just like

(10:31):
kind of split it up and watch just this part
of it, watch this part of the kind of bring
it together, and I feel like doing it help me
understand it more too.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, it's it's the whole like the film and analytics debate,
where you know, some guys watch film and they have
some theories that then they run the numbers and they
kind of test those series where some guys take the
analytics and they see a certain niche or a certain
thing they want to focus on on and then go
to the film to kind of do that. So again
that's that's it's cool to hear because again everyone learns

(11:02):
differently and processes differently. And so if we're talking the
grading part of things, h third party grading PFF and stats,
you know sites like that that grade you guys on
the film alone, do you follow.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
That, does the team use that?

Speaker 4 (11:17):
And if so, what's your opinion on third party grading,
because again we don't know your assignments. We can make
some educated guesses and hit every once in a while,
but for the most part it's it's an educated guess
and that's h kind of ends. So what are your
thoughts on third party grading sites like PFF and again
those advanced analytics sites trying to grade you guys and
put a number on your your blocking, whether it's in

(11:39):
past pro or in run blocking.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
I mean, I notice it, and I see it, don't
really care for like care that it weigh on me
too much. I used to my rookie year. But it's
more so like the way our coach teach us, the
block is not what they're looking for, like they looking
for finishes, And I guess I don't know what they're
looking for a passport because I don't give up a
second they still know one. I don't know if they
look for a past But like for so run blocking,

(12:04):
like like we don't we don't get talked to use
our shoulder, We use our hands. So we're not getting
initial drive off and the start, but we finishing our
blocks in the end, so I don't so I think
it's more so like the way we get we're coase
to like block is not what they're looking for in
the grading scale, at least for like round black and
wise like past. Probably guess they're looking for I don't know,
but run block and wies, I feel like they look

(12:25):
for more and so finished and driving down the field
and the way we blocking the way we like like
a lot of times we're block and somebody will be
going one way instead of trying to cut them off,
the taking the where they're going and push the past
to play and you know, and I guess the third
party to look at it like oh he got beat
across his face, But the way we look at it,
we just pushed them past the point so we still
got to it was going. So I don't really pay

(12:46):
too much tennis for it. I mean, I just make
sure I get one to get the sack.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
And I mean it's like you think about what Aaron Kromer,
the old line coach, is asking you guys to do
is completely different than the thirty one other teams. So
there's no there's no standard when it comes to being
in the room as an offensive lineman versus the standard
of these companies, and so trying to that's kind of
you know, trying to you know, whittle it down to, hey,

(13:13):
this is the general generally what's supposed to happen.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
But at the same time, their grades could be completely
different than what Chrome Chromes has given you guys, because again,
they know what you're supposed.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
To be doing. Yeah, exactly. So that's why I don't
mean Burkey is hard not to look at the type
of stuff going from college that's all college for is
like us in college, like you're looking at it and
it's like determining everything for us. So coming to Murkey
is kind of hard not to look at it or
like focus on it, like where about it? But I
think like last I was more so like we know,

(13:45):
we looking for the team, Like so if Chrome good
what I'm doing, then I don't about nobody.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Else for real good answer, Yeah, we are even just
for us, Like I can't imagine what it's like for you,
but even for us, Like we we'd break down a
play and be like, oh, you know, Torrents had a
good game. We break it down, and someone would come
in and be like, oh, but like he gave up
four pressures according to PFF, and we'd be like, no,
he didn't, what are you talking like?

Speaker 4 (14:07):
And so.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
I guess they look at giving ground as giving the pressure,
so yeah, yes, yeah, Or it could be like an
art could be like a slide to my side and
I'm to tackle to give you more of a drag
hand than he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Right, But that also goes back to the everything, like
the technique knowing like nobody knows the individual technique, and
then the specific assignment to that point, like someone could
cross your face and your assignment is let that guy
go because you know your partner next to you're supposed
to pick that up and that dragt hand ready, but
maybe his draghand isn't extended enough so he doesn't feel

(14:41):
that guy guy gets through.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
You get tagged for it, but it wasn't really your fault.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
That's what just that's what's so where you live with
the the you know, the anchor, your ability and your
strength and physical dominance where you could be anchoring. You know, yeah,
you're probably a yard two yards away from the quarterback.
It counts as a pressure, but you anchored and you
have the interior depth of Like.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
So I only like kindos this person because like I
can stop them at the line, but if I hop
back three steps and make them like driving to me
and make them use their energy, they'll stop them like
like you know, four years back now, like it's like
four less players. They want to be trying to boris
because they how much energies use them. So it's like
if it all plays a part in like I can
stone them at the line every chance, but let's getting

(15:24):
me more tied and giving them like more like keep
the king the jet. But if I sit there and
sit in front of them and I let them borist
me for like two three years and I stop them
now they didn't use the energy, and like for the
next for the rest, for the for the rest of
the dribt. They probably want to do that move because
they know, like, lets they'll get there, they're gonna be tired.
So but I was like, it's all like playing chess
at this point, so I try to worry about it

(15:46):
too much.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
That's actually a really good point.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Let somebody try and like use all their power pushing
against the brick wall and you're like, no, man, I'm
just gonna hop a couple of.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Times, just just give, just give ground slowly and then
instead of trying to push me backward as they can,
I feel like they did. They get tied before. Then
they got to chase the ball. When the quarter bay
throw the ball the line, they got to chaste the ball.
It could be running play. They gotta run after it.
So it all plays a part.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, grind down and wear them down. Oh, I'd love
to have a good answer.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
You know, Eric mentioned just you're you're anchoring, uh, and
something we've we talked about in the show. We talked
about it with you before, just and you know for now,
how do you approach anchoring versus different rush types like
versus how do you approach your anchor versus pure power
guys or versus like speed to power guys. Is there
a specific footwork you're trying to implement or specific weight

(16:33):
distribution you're trying to key into, or is it hand related?
You know just that, how do you approach anchoring versus
different types of rushers?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
It's more so here I think it's for me it's
hand related. I try to get my hands on them
as fast as I can and get a part to ground,
and it's kind of like take it from there. Like
most guys that they power rush is they gonna continue
being a powerusher even if you stop it. So it's
not like I'm gonna stop it for a few times
they expect them to do something different. I'm expecting their
key doing with their best move is and with speed

(17:03):
kind of guys kind of more so than just being
it's different with them. When I get contact, make sure
my feeting is in the ground, then I'm gonna find
an anchor. When I find anchor is because the anchor
is always there, I just gotta find it. But with
the speed guys, it's more so just getting my hands
on the plices i can and then from there figuring
out if they trying to get to the quarterback they're
trying to do a stunt or you know, they trying
to just just kind of getting a gap sometimes like

(17:23):
guys I feel like they'm even going for the stage
on their cars, like pressure have it getting the back
fit to make the quarterback get off the spot. So
it's all about what they with speed, gas or power
guys most just getting in front of it and making
them use their power and runch down in the minute.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
That's a I mean great segue to my question with
the hands and your development of your hands. How is
your hand placement evolved from college to now? And do
you believe you use more independent hands now versus when
you're in college. What are your punches looking like now
versus when you're in college? How's how has that evolved?
Especially under Aaron Kromer it evolved.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I think it's the most important point in my game
that involved Like in college. I look at sometime I
be going through my camera when I see old college
like film, like practice reps, and I see like I'm
kicking and I'm just setting with my hands on my
side and I'm just shooting both of them at the
same time, and I'm just like, that's just it don't
even look right. And the long see how I was
able to block youep in college honestly, because that's give

(18:21):
the d line more what they want, like just giving
them their three steps and then they do they move
like they practice, they do they on their three steps.
You got some guys that's able to do it too,
but most d lining, especially the interior, like it's so
tight spaced, they hit they move on the third steps
so when I used to set, when I used to
sit with just my hands on my side and set
set punch, it was just giving them guys all the
time in the world. They moved, they practiced on all

(18:41):
off season. So when I got the can, it was
more so like he started off telling me how my
body in one gap and the arms and another gap,
and basically just me play long. So when I set
and I take my two sets, and my arms are
already a crossings, I'm just sitting with them out. I
was able to get good at setting on my feet
and keep my hands and depending on my feet, like
I could sit with my feet moving, but my arms

(19:01):
just sticking straight out and they not moving. So it's
like I'm taking a space on my arms, but my
body is still in the My arms are like kind
of the biga. So by the time they get to
the third step, if they get to my arms and
so they gotta knock it down or they gotta grab,
and most mostly linemen use they move. They gotta use
both hands to knock move on down. And when they

(19:22):
do that, I throw the second arms and ding kind
of get the block started.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
I feel like there's three teaching points from chromer that
always resonate anytime we have offensive linemen here. First one
is always staying ground and keeping your feet on the ground,
staying you know, with a good base. Uh. Two the
one you mentioned, playing long is always a big thing,
whether you're in past pro or run. Blocking and also hands.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
And the fundamentals, you know. I remember they tell us
they told us to block. We block with our hands,
like literally, and then I guess at some point you
start throwing your shoulder a little bit as you get
older in high school and color because the guys are stronger.
But when we first learned how to block, they teach
us to block it our heads. That's kind of I
feel like Chrome just got us back to doing just

(20:07):
using our hands.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, and it tracks like it's really cool to see
development and guys like yourself, but then also to see
like we'll watch obviously the film from every every snap
from every Bills game. You can see like everybody across
the line exhibiting like those similar type of like movements,
whether it's like timing with your feet or positioning of

(20:29):
your hands, and you can tell like how well Chrome
like drills down on the fundamentals because of how everybody
across the board is exhibiting those and how I think
that's even more impressive considering you're all like different types
of players, Like.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yeah, we all like specially like long, fast and athletic.
I'm like more stout and strong. Kind of is kind
of similar to me Davis Moore technique wise, do you know,
kind of just athletic, He's still strong. It's like kind
of got their own different place styles and it works
the way Chrome teaches us. It works for Everybody's got
to figure out how it works for you, but definitely works.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, it definitely works. I love that.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Give him a key to the city.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
What last question here and then we'll dive into the tape.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
You had several very impressive reps last year versus Chiefs
defensive tackle Chris Jones, somebody who's been a terror in
this league for years. You know, do you did you
have any keys or tails or tendencies that you tried
to pick up on his film? You know, whether it
was going into the first game against the Chiefs or
the second just kind of you know, if you had

(21:46):
to give us a scouting report on Chris Jones right now,
like or could you give us one to try to
just considering the success that you had against him.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
I don't under say I got keys or tails, because
I feel like if I try to study it for that,
I feel like I'm nit picking for it on the field,
and I feel like that to get messed up. So
I kind of keep it simple. I kind of keep
it like, if he's close inside of me, then he's
gonna do it one step and how to go to
my outside, Like he's not gonna play the inside. That's
not his gap. He don't never like this is a
run play, you know it's a run play. He don't

(22:16):
never play between the center and guard. He really likes
to play like between an attacker and guard. So when
he's lined up out there, and then I have, like
I have two sets of mind in my head that
I'm gonna use. If he's lined up outside of me,
if he's lined up heading head up in front of me,
then I know there's much like the type of stunt
because he never does that. So I necessarily don't have
keys of tail I look for because he's too good
for that. He could do anything. So I feel like

(22:37):
trying to sit there and be like, oh, he's tilted
a little bit he might do that that's gonna make
me like, thank too much and give me on edge
to lose. Like more so, look at where he's lined
up at, and I think about the two or three
best sets I got for where he lined up at,
and go from there.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
I look like that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't give
yourself too many options and overthink it when you're playing
a guy.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
That's because because we both practice what we're doing in
a game and in practice. So it's like, if I
look at him and try to do take my set
off what he's doing, it's gonna be better for him
because he that rep like that whatever the movie's gonna do.
And if I like, guess right, I still might not
be in the right set for that move. So I'm
just gonna practice the sets I take all the time.
It's gonna practice. Just do one of those because I

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don't practice it. And then sets are made to stop
such and such moves like I got two sets to
stop a bull and an outside spind another set to
stop a some move inside or like a stutter bull
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
You know, I love that now, And it also goes
to to what you mentioned earlier when we started talking
in this episode like the game kind of coming anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
I think that's a good example what.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
It is like the game comes in like the first
two quarters. I'm not looking for a too, I'm just
sitting like how we do and pre practice at with Cron.
We set like two one two, I take four little steps.
I keep my hands while as I can. Chris Jones
he gonna he don't like hands on it, so hena,
he gonna definitely grab my wrist to do something. Then
when he does that, that's when I just kind of
react like count just kind of yeah, yeah, Well, I'm glad.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
I'm glad you mentioned that because especially the hand portion
were we have a couple of clips obviously from those
games against Chris Jones. So with that said, man, let's
jump into some of this. We're gonna start off with
the run game stuff. We've got three players a run
game and then I think three or four in the
passing game. So let's start off with the first game
of the year. So scheme, technique, assignment, anything that comes

(24:26):
to mind on these plays. So you're on the backside
of this zone run and you're able to create what
we like to call horizontal displacement on the nose table here.
Talk about this play and what happened as you opened
that big cutback lane for James Cook.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Inside zone goodly and it's basically with that one back
in and that's the mic and then our fullback it's
up back. We called for Richie. He got the safety
this down, so we're not making him. So he got
that and the rest of the line we got the five.
We got the four down and the one back. I
can know and I knew from this start like it
was it was a game call, So I know I

(25:05):
got helped with with Connor to the front side and
I ain't got the backside. So I just knew I
could throw my hat in front of him and make
him feel like I'm trying to cut him off. And
then he played that gap. Then once he go that way,
I use my power to take him further pass where
he's trying to go. It just crazed the hole and
the getting cut it off the back. He got a
combination this tight end. Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
You know you get so much of this episode You've
talked about like the mental side of it, and like
you've met reference like the chest match of everything so
you like you threw your hat purposely in front of
him to make him think like and make him move
in the direction you wanted him to, and then you
reacted accordingly and just washed him down and steal them off.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Because right now you see my my left hand, my
hat trying to go like cut him off up. Really
the power coming from like my back hip on my
right hand, it's getting up under this path. So once
I feel him go with my hat with my hat,
then I just horse is just kind of torquing and
throw them. But if you don't go that way, he's
thing we had. I just keep going a wheel on
them and hook him. Then James keep in front ofize.

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So okay, that was my next question.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I was gonna say, Yeah, if he if he doesn't
keep trying to cross face, yeah, then you're just going.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
To keep driving. Now.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Is this something, this torque ability, this rotational force that
you create with your hip there on the backside hip
you talked about kind of prying that whole open. Is
that something you guys practice at drill, you know, in
drills at practice.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Oh yeah, that's how you always teach us, try to
get into them with our backside. I don't want to
say more so curled up, because that's like, what's the
power coming from. He always teaches that the power come
from my hip sound like our backside and we're going
to cut off. So that's kind of more so like
something we practice and like getting them on there and
then just like kind of using using their momentum and

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gets them and taking them.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Past awesome, awesome stuff. So here's one from the playoff
game here James Cook, it looks like a duo run
here for the touchdown. Again, you're you're doing a great
job here as the guys is your face and just
washing him out. And my question for you on display
again talk about the scheme, technique, the assignment, the play call, whatnot.

(27:08):
But you're what you're expecting with everyone lining up to
the left side of the screen here, what you're expecting
when it comes to this defender that's off your right
hand shoulder, what you're expecting from him post snap?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
I'm not expecting nothing from him, inspecting something in the
defense that makes sense, Like I'm expecting somebody to confire
the inside gap because right it's a gap. It's a gap. Sound.
Everybody got their gaps and a linebacker, first side backer,
got got his side, and I see this backside back
of creeping up, and just because he's creeping up behind
him in the beak up is not already saying that
he gonna go there. So I'm just want to so
think it. Somebody's gonna cross my face. I don't know

(27:43):
who you're is. Somebody's going to do it. I can
tell myself make it easier to say not ever going
to do it. But the one time I do that,
he might not do it. Now I'm a little slow
to come off on the back or whatever, so I
just always but.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
You knew something was coming because someone's got to that gap.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
In my head, I'm looking like the defense gonna fit
the gap. I'm not saying ninety seven gonna feel understanding
the defense whenn't fit his gap. So I'm just taking
my step like kind of being patient and waiting, and
there soon whatever across my face or whoever, like you know,
come across my cylinder. I just take them past where
they're going. And like when we coach all the time,
I don't ever stop nobody going for they go, just
pushing past what they're trying to go.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
That's easy and this is that duo call, right, so
you basically it's like a gap run. So you have
that a gap right.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, me and Spence, we were working together, so we
called doom to start, but we knew it was gonna
happen the best of doom, so we just kind of
right now we're saying doom, but we're both saying like, look,
we both seeing the back of their name because we
see him moving, so we know something happen. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
And then so there fifty five shoots that A instead
you you hit that flash, you take fifty five. If
ninety seven sits and stays in the B, Spence takes him,
and you guys operate accordingly based off of that initial
flash and that kind of game that they play.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, exactly. Talk about the.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I don't know, just like chucking dudes out of the
way like that. Just talk about how nas it feels
to just like and this one isn't even like crazy.
You're just like you get hands on them, You're just
like here, man, just move out of the way, and
you clear them and move them to just talk about
like that just placed them the building, especially like you
and Spence on that backside, like you guys move dudes
horizontally vertically, Like just talk about what that feels like
to people move the hell out of like somebody on

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the defensive line or in the box if it feels good.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
But I mean, this one only feel like I push
them that far. But look at it, you I did,
But I mean it's still something that easy to do.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
It's the pause, man, it's the five accel hands.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Man, definite that length there too, right.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, But it's always good feeling because when I do that,
I know they got their gap. So either whether we
get a big run or not, I know the coach
gonna circuit is a fan but like tell you got
to stand your gaps. That's yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
So this is I assume a similar play call here
where you and Spencer have some kind of combination going
from the first level to Warner. So walk us through
this play. Uh that from the Niners game where you're
going climbing scoop into that second level and picking up
Fred Warner there on this play, So walk us through
this play.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
It all looks like this duo again. Yeah yeah, just
regular dude, and we got another doom call and we
both I'm not I'm not I'm not looking at the
down line. I'm looking at fred one or the old time,
because that's who we're going to. And then doing you
draw it up is I'm helping Spence block Manty nine
til I get to mine guy fred On. So the

(30:34):
old time I look at the line, I'm just sitting
and feeling over my hands, and if I feel pressure
right there, I just kind of block push against it.
But if I don't feel the pressure to get to
the thread, but it was snowing and I wouldn't finish
trying to run right up there to him, something like
I'm just gonna push this guy up and just make
fred I want to have to make the decision with
them and cut it outside and cut it inside. And thankfully,
I think because it was doing it, it made it

(30:56):
kind of made run plays this game kind of play
out so lower and better because the runner they can
think like you gotta be pictured because it's slippery, and
then the blocks kind of like the blocks fill in
place like they're doing practice, like you walk through it
like that, and they developed like in the snow gag,
they'll developed like way better. I got a feel for it,
like when I seen fred come down like doing it
got to be close to the hole because he didn't

(31:17):
like kind of just you know, he's just hopping. Once
I see him like get his feet on parallel and
kind of go like he going downfield. That's I know,
he feeling like running. Got to be close.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
So I come off and yeah, yeah, That's what I
was going to ask, is the timing of this play
when you're working these combinations or again helping out Spencer
Brown here and then climbing, Like what what type of
things are you keying in on when that linebacker is
again shooting downhill if he is or just staying at
that second level, Look what type of things are you
keying on so that the timing of this play hits

(31:46):
perfectly for the running back.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I'm just I'm just looking at his feet, like if
they got happy feet and run back kind of getting closer.
They just started kind of like slowly like keeping short
chopping steps. They stay and they read if they start
like coming downhill like hopping and stuff, or like you're
just getting excited to me to run it back definitely
in this cut and trying to like, you know, come
this way. So I'm just kind of reading myself his

(32:10):
feet kind of in the field for when he's gonna
come stuff like that, like is he is running back
close and all that.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yeah, so Warner triggered, So you triggered came off the double.
I love that you.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
You mentioned a couple of pieces about the snow game.
This is kind of my question. We talked to Conor
McGovern about it too, and we had him in there
just talk about, like again you mentioned some of it,
the importance of like how cognizant or aware were you
of your footing in this game, and like did it
change much for you because of what the track in
the field look like for you, but also for the defense.
Just talk about the impact that this kind of like

(32:43):
weather and this type of footing has positively or negatively
for you and for the offense.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
For me, like at first it changed to made me
think I can't get my feet on the ground, but
then like I still have to notice, like it's worse
for the defense because they trying to like come off
the ball. I'm not shooting on the ball. I'm just
like getting my feet set before the play. Then like
kind of reacting like past pros, like it was more
so just set flat and just gonna let them went
out the ball. Then a lot of the time they
tried to shoot out the ball to hard, they would
slipp before they come out they stands.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
So yeah, that happened.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
In early in the game. I was like, man, we
can't can't do nothing but like between plays and knocked
the snow fire cleats and like clear area fora and
like set my feet and once I do that, like
I was good for my set there, like stepping between
plays if kind of like don't want to say between
plays during the play, you feel like if like you
just walking the snow, you don't feel your spikes, but
you be on the ground more than you think, if

(33:36):
that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah, totally all right, So we're gonna switch to some
of the past players and h Unfortunately I had to
bring this play up because we talked to Connor McGovern
about this last play of this season and what happened
and how things were a little confusing as far as
past protection goes. Uh, So we love to hear other perspectives, uh,
this one being from you heard Connors, We'd love to

(33:59):
hear your perspective on this play and kind of how
it unfolded, where this pressure this pressure from the Chiefs
caught you guys a little, you know, a little bit
off guard.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Here, mm hmm, like we went lou So, Me and
Spence kind of like on the man's side. Looking at
it now, I didn't even know the cornerback came in.
I seen it. I've seen his back for the place start,
but I mean I was just going with what the
call was, and it was like a loo call, so

(34:27):
I know I had the d line over me, but
but Josh was hot off the back of muded up.
So that's why I kind of had to hand up
protecting myself. But I was sitting to my guy. But
once he dropped, once he dropped back, my first initition,
like reaction is to look to where he jumped back
to to see if somebody's coming to the place. So
that's why my mind didn't stickingly go outside to the

(34:48):
linebacker because I'm thinking Josh got him. He's hot, and
like right here, yeah, that's his hot. But the guy
actually that, the cornerback who ended up coming in, wasn't
his hot. And I think that's what that's what really
got it. When they ain't seen them before and then
they say they hit that pretty well. And then you
got Chris Jones lined up outside on the other end,

(35:09):
so it's like I want to bring the slides to
over there, Like, yeah, there's just a lot played that
part in that play right there.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Good call by Specs.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
No, yeah, it's a great call. But looking back at it,
I ain't even mad about it no more. I mean
it's just it's a way better play called than we
had blocking scheme.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
It happens.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, sometimes you just get got I think that's so
that gets lost so much in like for the fans
who watch the games, it's understandable, right, but like the
guys you're playing against, like they also get paid to
play football.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
They're also good at football.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
They're trying to beat you, and sometimes like you get them,
they get you. Like it just happens from time to time.
And this was just there's just a good game from
from Spags on fourth down and the call in the moment.
And but yeah, so many people have like talked about, oh,
this is what should have happened or that's what should
have happened. So like getting your perspective the same way
we've got Connor's perspective on it was just because we

(36:03):
we were like this is what we think should have happened.
But like we talked about earlier, we don't know the assignments,
we don't know the technique, so like kind of get
your perspective on it. These little insights, like it just
adds so much to an important conversation with how people
try to blow things kind of out of proportion to
a degree.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, and then it's like looking at it now, like
I mean, we could flip it to the other side,
but they can still they could bring the same quess side.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
And then you're manning up Chris Jones.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Yeah, so it's like, I mean, just a thread of
them bringing the pressure and you got man Chris Jones
is just still a bad feeling. Yeah, happened. So I
mean it's looking at it, it's like we could have
just had a different formation. The best things empty, different formation,
totally a better option. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
And see, I just want to break it down for
fans again. We want to slow the game down a
little bit and what the what happens on these type
of plays. As you said, Chris Jones is right here
into the logo and so you have basically one, two,
three from the center left there and you said you
guys were kind of manned off her. The down linemen
in front of you was technically your man. And then
Spencer Brown had the big on the edge and then

(37:05):
this was a hot and so when the ball is
snapped and then guy.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
And the big on wasn't even rushing. He was more
so containment for us, like for like somebody that running
outside like a sweep or something like. He wasn't even
the real Russia, the real rushes of the two guys
coming in and we didn't see. So I feel like, just.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
What's great about this game? Like you know, these plays,
they're negative plays, but you can see how it's not
always you know what happens on the field of players
and maybe make a mistake, but sometimes like a better
play call, more advantageous play call, maybe keeping another blocker, and.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, we don't even make it. We ain't make no
mistakes on this place. Just they just had two more
guys and we could block, like gosh, already had a
one guy, but they end up banking extra guy. I mean,
it's just yeah, they got they just just a better
play call. We executed, we had called, but what they
call was better.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
Yeah, I agree, that's and that's what I love because
this is something we talked about, like, it's not those
type of things are gonna happen. And here's one that
you know you talked about offline with me. We're saying, like,
what are some plays that we could talk about, and
you picked up you had said, Hey, the Lions game
had some good ones, and I like this one. I
pulled this one because of the type of protection it
was where McGovern's kind of pulling you guys are throwing

(38:22):
some false reads and if you guys remember, uh, this
is a big play from Allen to Ty Johnson down
the field. But this protection is not an easy one
where you're kind of actecuting like a gap pass protection.
So I want you to walk us through this protection.
The difficulty of it, especially when you're talking this kind
of bare look from the Lions defense.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, we were selling, were selling like a kind of
kind of plays and this is bear if it was
regular for down Dave, but it feels it feels like
a three to the front side. They said they kind
of called called cargo and Connor were pull but whenever
we have a Barras structure, it's automatic cargo. So came up.

(39:00):
It was barrassed. I just knew when he called cargo.
Instead of me dooming and going down, I just had
to immediately. And it is hard about these blocks because
I don't got no help. So I can't throw my
hat two front side because he could just go backside.
I just got to kind of aim at perfectly down
the middle and hopefully this like it's like it's like
forty concepts plays. Three of them are like quick passes,

(39:22):
and then one of them is like a long pass,
and this just.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Has to be a long pass on so yeah, normally
you're throwing that.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, usually usually it's a quick receiver route to the
middle who could stop or like he take down to
the running back. But this ended up being like one
of the longer routes. So it's like I had to
like kind of get a perfect down the middle on
him while like not leaning on my head and give
him the easy like swim backside on it. So it
was it was kind of tough, but once I got
my hands on him, it was more so like give

(39:49):
ground a little bit and whichever way you take to
try to go, take on that way.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
And you know, mister you mentioned doom block between you
and Brown and so U what's the combination block? Usually
if it's between you and the center.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Mc govern a, Okay, yeah, I just hit his hip
and kind of take over and I probably climb to
the middle backer. It feels, it feels the running play.
Gotcha cool? Gotful?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
And so I'm as you talking about it like it.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
So your initial thought here is get your proper positioning,
feel him out, and then let him kind of do
what he wants anger if you need to go with
whichever way his body is. But that initial point is
really kind of getting to that midline and getting that
proper body positioning to make sure that he can't win
ground front side or backside.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
And give it up. Yeah, because like a read defense,
they're not gonna jet up the ball, so it kind
of pull. I got like a half a second to
help him get on him because he's trying to like
he's reacting to the pool locking. Yeah, before he processed
that offering a block and hurt me. Get on him
while you're still probably trying to taste it a little bit.
But then like once I do that, I gotta hear, like,

(40:57):
get get into the past it before you realize it's
a past that, right, so if I hear it gets
my pass it before, I got a way better chance
of winning the ripping.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
This plays out exactly what you talked about earlier, playing long.
On the snap, you're you're firing that left hand out.
You can see the striper or your wrist right there.
A word, Land's perfect hand placement. But then again, fans
watch the body position and how he gets his body
into the position to as you said, as that guy's
processing to get in that you know, spatially uh body

(41:29):
positioning there to again get in front of him and
put himself between obviously the past strusher and the quarterback.
So very very good example of playing long and how
important that is under Aaron Kromer. Yeah, all right, let's
go on to this next one here. Uh, this was
a play, and you talked about the hand stuff earlier.
So you versus Chris Jones here, he's kind of in

(41:51):
a four eye just inside the right tackle here. And
something I noticed on your film a lot more this
year was right there as you fired out, you seem
to punch your hand out and put it almost in
their face at times. Talk about the technique behind that,
the thought behind that, and the reason why you do that,
especially in this wrap, but again throughout a majority of
your past pro film.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, it's just be getting there before my body gets there.
Like my arms what I forgot. It was like eight
it for my wingspin. So it's like if I stretch
my arms out, he gonna like he gonna run into
my arms before you get close up to my body.
So my hands right there and facing it is like
he gotta move him down. And it's just with Chris Jones,
it's actually having up higher in his face because he

(42:33):
don't rush. He rush with his chest up because he
to do this. So it's like I gotta have my
hands up high and in his face to make him
like actually move them and do something. What if not
if I have my hands in his chests, he's just
gonna keep looking at the quarterback swipe and keep doing
with have him up in his face, it's like he
gotta deal with them and different nerve got the hand
battle instead of him just getting the street stuff. Seeing

(42:54):
he's just on his second step in my hand running
right there and it's like he can't do with a
move he worked on all all week hall season because
it's so it just makes easier to like kind of
slow him down and hold him up for as long
as I can, and then talking about that definitely help.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Yeah, sure you talked about earlier kind of just like
when we talked about like scouting report stuff for him,
and yours is more like no, like it's just based
on like where he's aligned and what you're thinking. You know,
you've seen him on this one, like Eric said, almost
like essentially in like a four eye on the inside
shade of that right tackle. What is your thought process
here for like what you think was gonna come from him,
and then how that impacted your set?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yea, I'm thinking he I'm thinking he's gonna corost my
face hard because he's a lined wide and I tell
the tackle to get me a drag hand out loud
so he could hear me. So he thinks the tackle's
gonna stay in help, which I mean the tackles youre healthy.
I'm not expecting him to like keep rushing their field
least I know he don't want to. But the way
I said made him stop on the second step, so
he probably couldn't go inside as he wanted to.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
You know, I love that you like play. It's the
chess match. Again man like they like think one thing
and then do another.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I love that sometime you can. I mean this specier
had hurt this game, but me and Spencer we did,
like we played a while together, so I can sometimes
give him a call, like a dummy call to make
a something in his hand, but we both know like
offen to jump the guy in front of me. So
it's just giving calls and being able to make calls
out the game and be able to like communicate but

(44:19):
use their communication the mist of defense because they listening it.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, hell yeah, I love that you're throwing all Jedi
mind tricks out there. I like that a lot.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Yeah, And much like vander Mark's drag hand is left
hand there kind of being another set of eyes and
you know obviously when if a guy hits that, but
it also is for you because as soon as you
put your hands up and then Jones kind of gets
into your body, you punch with your inside. You can't
really see it from the single, but you punch and
deter that inside move where you say, again, you thought
he would cross your face just based on the protection

(44:48):
and where he was lined up, it makes sense that
you would think he's going to funnel in here into
the a gap so that that punch right there again
you can barely see it, but you punch out that
left hand and place it right where the shoulder pads are.
Does kind of deter and stunt that pass rush from Jones.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, as soon as he touched my outside hand, I'm
throwing inside hand. M hm. So it's like, man, he's good.
He can sometimes like knock my outside hand down one
of his arms, but like he is like he I
don't want to say he does it, but like you
got to kind of use both hands to like kind
of set you move up. As soon as I see
him using both hands going for my arms when I
throw my inside hand, and that just kind kind of

(45:27):
gives me my eyes inside. So instead of me having
a set inside because he went inside the look I
just throw my hand. Did If he keeps going inside,
that's when I open my hip and drive HI past
the point.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Awesome, We'll get to that that last point you just
said here in a couple of plays. Here's another one
versus Jones again kind of that wide alignment, and this
time he takes a different route to you on this place.
So walk us through this play you're one on one.
Is this another man protection type of thing? You one
on one with Jones on this play?

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yeah, this is a loose hid. The way the Chiefs play,
they gonna bang a pressure to the outside for Chris Johnes.
So you had a blocking one on one and I
feel like that's why he kind of played good against
the first two games because me and Dave kind of
did good and I want one blocks to gets him.
But this is I'm pretty sure to stare it down
and it's like a down we need to score. So
it's like that always bring out their best pressures and

(46:16):
stuff like that. When getting one on one. It gets
the tackles guards centered sometime, but he he like being
don't one to one, like the tackles and the guard
so they're it down and like you know, and he's
not in the front of you know, it's like it
just do one on one rep. So I kind of
just wanted to just get something on him. Like all
my sets was it gets him, Like I feel like

(46:36):
I want to say I lost, but like all the
sets I ended up in bad position with him was
when he gets to my outside shoulders. So I wanted
to let him get to the inside shoulder and then
you know this game going into thinking inside shoulder, overset
a little bit and drive him past because I have
you know, I wanted to do that because I feel
like that was the best thing to do, because watch
your film, he's beating everybody going up field. He lined

(46:57):
up wire, so you said wide or like you said, now,
just why because you don't want to sit too wide
to give an inside up. He just keeps going on fields.
So I wanted to make him to run in the
end of me or go inside.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
And you have Josh to kind of, you know, kind
of cover up for things as well. So if if
he shoots up field you right and wide, you have
Josh stepping up in the pocket and again manipulating the
pocket and getting outside of structure if need be.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, because it was one play we was under center
and then he was wire again at three point and
I said to him and I set more flat and
I punched him. But he's lined up wide, and it's
like he's able to keep his feet going. I thought
he does up. He does up about it because he
had good hips. So it was like so it was
more so like he still got back to I can't
unders said him, I just gotta not overset, but I

(47:40):
gotta like, I gotta overset it at least, you know,
and force him to go inside and down the middle
because he's fastest and best going in the streets, saying
going right up the fields.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
So love that did this one?

Speaker 1 (47:54):
You know you talked earlier about you know, kind of
you could stop guys the line or anchor, like let
him get your body a little bit, hop takes some
steps and then kind of settle down an anchor.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
You anchor on this one and eventually stall him out.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
This fall kind of into that category of like letting
him try to kind of tire himself out and grind
on him like okay, cool, Like you're driving me back
a little bit, but you know you're gonna be able
to kind of set and then it's just wasted energy
for him as you're able to kind of stall him out.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
M hm. Yeah. I wouldn't expect it on the borus,
but usually, like when I get the bull, I just
I go to hop it back. But this one, I
kind of took one two step and then I hoped
back and slows slow the process down about it makes
it makes it tougher and they could use the more
energy and kind of like pull on him and dragon
because while he's pushed me back, I'm also pulling his
pass now too, Like I'm not just stepping back and

(48:39):
I'm like pulling him down at.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
The Yeah you could.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
You can see you're once he engages you here, like
you can see on pad level like change I'm.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Trying because I'm trying to pull him down more so
because like I feel, I'll be thinking they're gonna jump
and knock the battle down. So that does that too.
But it's also like instinct, like I learned, like you
got a guy and you pull his past and it
can't runs like how you want runs. Like yeah, hands
that said, I'm just pulling them down, not to the ground,
but more so like just like I'm doing a reverse curve.

(49:06):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, and that changes his momentum, It changes his body positioning,
it changes your body position and allows you to take
away energy from him. No, that's one hundred percent. Uhc
makes sense. Oh I love that little detail.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
And let me ask you some what did you play
at last year? Between and And that's that's the thing
with anchoring. There are different techniques anchoring, right, but you
talked about your hands. You talk, you can anchor with
your hands. You can anchor with your length double unders
you like to do. The hot hop is like I
think what a lot of people call it, the hop
hop where you're kind of or the walk back. I know,

(49:41):
that's something it seems like. That's what's great about how
you're you know, able to anchor. You have so many
different tools in your toolbox to anchor versus whether it's
a power guy or a speed guy. But you can
use any of these tools at any given time to anchor.
And when you play against Chris Jones, as you saw
and a lot of these clips guys, he's gonna have
to use all those at the same time at times

(50:02):
as well. And so that's what's awesome about having a
big guy like yourself and a strong guy like yourself inside,
you know, responsible for the interior depth of the pocket
for Josh because you have all these other tools to
anchor vias Jones. And sometimes Jones is gonna get you.
He's gonna get your back a little bit, and as
you said, you're gonna have to walk him by or
run him by. That's exactly what happens at the end

(50:25):
of this game for the touchdown by Josh Allen. So
walk us through this play and what you felt from
Chris Jones on this big, big play against the Chiefs
and to.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Do something the end of the game. Man, he's lined
up a wine in the four game, but he's tighter,
So I'm more so thinking like I'm gonna just kind
of sit in front of him, flat flat, but I'm
not trying to take because it's gonna be too fast
on the going side because he's tight this time. I
kind of noticed it. So I just want to like
sit right here, right here. I want him trying to

(50:55):
go down the middle of me, so I kind of
feed him to the top of left arm. But there's
more so when we work in practice, I felt them
from inside. I felt them like a good pressure inside
because he's trying to like work his move and then
I kind of he's boots right here, and then I
was able to open my hip up once I get
him to this side, and I see that he's like turned,

(51:17):
and we both turned, like we're not parallel to the
sideline no more. We like turn that song. I got
him in the run block. Just now I'm just gonna
push him way past I wanted to go to and
right here. It's one of the plays I think where
PFF probably did give me a pussy back and take him.
But if I paycake him, I'm gonna take out d
both his needs. So it's like, yeah, m they practiced

(51:38):
that too much because like practice only keeping each other
safe too. So it's like it's just like get the
block done, like finished. You don't got to like finish
everybody because sometime you finish somebody on your teammate and
now I like, yeah, I would, that's it.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
So I had a separate question.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go off of that because one
of the things that we've talked about on the show
and something I've noticed just so much like the past
two years, just how no, no, I'm very superstitious, so
no jinks, fingers crossed, all that kind of stuff. How
healthy you guys have been as a group up front,
and it it just can't be by like coincidence at
this point, Like I just love that detail that you

(52:14):
put out, like of how aware you are, Like, oh,
if I finish him, like maybe I'm going to the
back of Beyond's knees.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
And you guys need to be aware of that.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
So like, so that's something that you as you guys
are executing past pro run blocks, like you guys are
aware of where each other are and like finishing guys
to the point of not wanting to injure each other.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yeah, because we I mean, off, you don't get nicked
up like the season, get hurt. But it's like if
we can practice on not put it to each other,
then we definitely can be a little more healthy toward
end of the season. And some stuff will happened. You hurt,
you hurt You's a physical game, but we can practice
it on not hurting each other, like not finishing guys
on other guy's legs, like small stuff like that. I
feel like it definitely like keeps the guys more healthied

(52:56):
off the season.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Oh, I love that point so much.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
That's that's a it's a cool nugget.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
That was good, great stuff, man, that was awesome stuff
with the questions and the film breakdowns. We appreciate you, know,
everything that you've you've done for us coming on to
the show, taking time before mandatory mini camp tomorrow, Man,
we look forward to studying a lot more film of
you this year. And year three and obviously getting you

(53:21):
back here in the film room. Thanks for joining us today.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I appreciate having happy big yeah later man.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
We appreciate the hell. How do you go watching Bleach
or some dragon balls appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Yeah, yeah, so much fun man. I love I love
having the old lineman the trenches. It's it's too easy.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
It's socially one that's so like big and powerfule imposing,
but all the little like and it was so nonchalant.
He was just chilling there talking about like chess matches
and the Jedi my trick stuff, and like it's just
so cool to see that.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
It's uh, it's again. It's that development piece. It's that
development piece where sometimes the light comes on sooner and
quicker for some players versus others. That is the thing
I take away from this episode is the next level
thinking that he has shown, just breaking down film with
us today versus just worrying about his assignment in year one,

(54:18):
where you know, year one, it was like, Okay, this
is what I'm supposed to do. I'm you know, I
should do. This is protection all those little details he's
worrying about that now you're seeing him unlock that next
level of Hey, I'm not gonna just pancake this guy
into Dion Dawkins's legs, you know, and some of the
other things he talked about in the episode.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
That is what my.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Takeaway for this show of year two review on Osi Restorin,
so that he is now thinking on another level and
you're starting to see it more and more on his film.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, that's a great call.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
That's I don't have too much to add those my
takeaway as well, Like I was just the little the
little football IQ pieces throughout the episode. Sweet, but that
piece at the end of like, oh, you know, I
don't want to finish him here and get him into
like Dion's Like I just thought that was so like
like that he's aware of that, that they're aware of
that as a unit, like that type of processing and
cognizance and awareness and on top of all those other

(55:17):
pieces of him being like you know, I, I know,
we don't have to worry about this thing from the
defense because the type of formation we're gonna do is
gonna ra is going to erase that so we can
throw that out and I have to worry about this
guy coming because the way we're going to be aligned.
That guy's not going to rush, so I can focus
on something different. Just the efficiency in his process and
the knowledge and just how I don't want to say confident,

(55:41):
but how calm and easy. Everything just came from him
in this episode from the mental standpoint, like just how
what he was expecting from Christians for a guy who
was like isn't isn't keying on anything or tells, but
him being like, he's aligned here, So I'm thinking this,
So I'm gonna do this with my set. He did this,
So I did just all just very very like flow state,
like you said, just it a like choose your own adventure.

(56:04):
If a happens, do this, oh b happens. So I
did this, boom, done and.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Just and it's and it's funny, like I'm sure there
are gonna be fans that watch this and and they're
gonna say, well, you don't look for tells, you don't
watch a lot of film, and they're gonna take it
out of context. But in many ways it's funny because
we kind of do the same thing, you and I
when it comes to our film process. After a game,
we don't do social media. We just want to watch
a film. We don't want our thoughts and opinions framed

(56:29):
and kind of boxed in and uh, any other people's
theories and what happened in the game or what happened
on this play to kind of filter in. So we
try to avoid social media, we try to avoid even
really conversing with each other, yep, so that we can
come up with our own thoughts on what happened, whether
it's in a single play or overall. And so when
he says that I get there, you don't want to

(56:50):
flood yourself with too much film because then you're you
don't know what you're looking for, and in a game,
you're you're you're trying to, you know, recollect something specific,
and it's just not gonna process fast enough for what's
in front of you and that guy coming at you.
And so I like his his theory and the way
he does his process where hey, he takes what the
coaches tell him. I'm sure he takes with what the scouts,

(57:14):
the pro scouts, you know, send on down the chain,
and then he goes to the film specifically on some
of those specific areas, situations down in distances, concepts. That
is an efficient way to do it, and again, it's
so fun to have these guys in here because we
get to hear that process, but we get to hear
the different ways that each player studies film, and they

(57:36):
study the game differently, and they study their opponent differently,
which is why it's one of the questions we always
ask is, Hey, what's your film study looked like during
the week.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Yep, it's super.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Cool because not everybody's answer is like, I watch fifty
hours of tape and this is how I break this down.
And you know, two guys could each watch fifty hours
of tape, but maybe they watch fifty hours of different things,
or maybe the order and the sequencing that they watch
it go it is different and what they focus on
or who they focus on.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
And yeah, it's cool just to get those little insights.
And yeah, you can't.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Again, I thought it was funny. I mentioned it during
the episode like Russeau mentioned it too, Like the first
couple years, like you drinking through a fire hose type
of deal, and now it's what I think, what did
you say.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Earlier this year?

Speaker 1 (58:17):
I think you said, no, it's more like a smoothie
or just like a regular drink now at this point
or something like that, and that's how you that's how
it's got to feel in general, and if you're trying
to do that with film, like if you're looking at everything.
I mean, I even speaking from my experience and what
we do here when I first started breaking down tape,
and I had a good background in it because I
watched it in high school and college because we had

(58:39):
to like, you can't just watch everything. You can't consume everything.
If you're watching for everything, you're watching for nothing, Like
you need to know what you're watching and how to
watch it and what to do. And to his point,
and you mentioned it during the episode, like why why
prepare for ten things if four of them aren't going
to happen.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
So focus on the six that are gon.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
We've talked about that so much with the Bills and
their offensive potential the last couple of years, with the
personnel and the variability that it has, because it'll make
a defense have to prepare for so much and then
you could not run a bunch of that, but the
defense has to prepare because it's a possibility. So yeah,
I love that approach of him, and it's just another
great example that not only know these guys built different physically,

(59:21):
and they play different, so you got to coach them different.
They prepare different, they see the game different. Doesn't mean
one is better than the other, but it's just another
peak behind the curtain, and like how NFL players operate
and how it's different from guy to guy.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Position to position.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
And I got one more thing before we get out
of here. It's very difficult to ask you questions and
break down film about a play that didn't go well,
about a play that ended the season. But I loved
his perspective on that. Everyone did their job right technically,
but it wasn't enough because it's not just about the
execution on the field. Sometimes the play doesn't work because

(59:56):
of execution, because of a mistake, a blown assignment. But
that's what's that's what's great about football, is like you
can rectify those mistakes because even on that play, it's
not necessarily an execution issue. They had everyone accounted for.
It was just one there's too many guys coming and
the play call the formation didn't allow any more help

(01:00:18):
for the offensive line. And so you heard him talk
about the man side of protection, how he had a
mena hue, the dtackle there and Spencer Brown had the
big on the edge, Carl loftus, but they didn't have
the safety that was down there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I think it was reed right, Yeah, Reid was the
high but then which is Allen was prepared for. But
then McDuffie came shooting from the sideline and that also
screwed it up. And then carloftis was the contained guy
instead of being like an actual rusher rusher.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
And that's that's exactly why you know this game is great.
I know it's a terrible play. It's very difficult for
us to ask a question about that play. I hated
put it in there, but we have to do it
because that is what rectifies those mistakes. And there weren't
even any mistakes on that play. That's what's crazy about that.
And it was just a better play call. And I

(01:01:05):
think for as much as you know, for weeks, Bill's
fans and analysts and commentators were breaking that play down,
whose whose fault is it? This and that, and everyone
had a share in it. There's no doubt everyone had
a share in it. Guys on the field, on the
sideline and up in the booth, and and it's one
of those plays that spags just waited for that call.

(01:01:26):
It waited for that moment, and he made that perfect
call that flushed Josh and Josh still almost made a play,
but unfortunately it went incomplete to donkin Caid and the
season was ended. But then that's what's That's something I
want you guys to take away also from this episode
is that it's not always just execution. You know a
lot of people were blaming Torrents on that play, which

(01:01:47):
is why we went there with that play. But he
told you what his assignment was and and you know
who the hot was, and you know, if if the
you know, the hot came free, which he did, balls
should usually be out. That's what throwing hot means. I
understand the situation and the pressure at the moment, it
didn't work out. But overall, man, this was a great

(01:02:08):
episode and again next level of development coming for Osibus Tarns.
We heard it in the film room today. I can't
wait for year three.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah, I'm excited for him.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
It's been awesome to see again a dude who we
saw the Senior Bowl all the way through to now
and just seeing what he's able to do and what
he's been able to do, and excited for him and
this offensive line is to have another year together as
a unit and going forward. And yeah, he really so
many of these episodes of these players are such great
glimpses into the fine line and like the margins for error,

(01:02:39):
even that last that last Chiefs play right there were
there you were talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Just now imagine if you have like a Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Player on her Spags, if Allen completes that to Kinkaid
and like Spags is sitting there saying like we had
a great call. Dude just made a play, Like that's
just what it is. Like sometimes we said it during
the show. We say it all the time, like the
opponents get paid to same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
In baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Sometimes a pitcher makes a great pitch hit or hits
it anyway, like sometimes just those dudes are also good
at the sports that they're playing. Sometimes it just happens.
And like we say, like you tip your cap and
you move on. You want to adjust for it going
forward so you don't get beat like that again, or
you have better answers going forward. But yeah, that was
a really nice insight from him within that play, along

(01:03:18):
with when we had it from a govern earlier this offseason,
and just a lot throughout this episode. Tremendous to hear
from him, Eric, anything else from you as we start
to wrap up and say goodbye to the people here.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
No again, thanks for everyone that's going to tune in
here again. We're gonna drop this right at seven, so
I hope you guys enjoy that. But it's been a
fun series this year, man like having all of these
players on from multiple positions, you know, and different rankings
on the team and different leaders on the team in

(01:03:48):
different positions, and it's been a great run for the
Film Room. We appreciate all of those players joining us obviously,
but also all the fans are supporting us. You guys
are the reason that we do this. We want to
bring these guys on to slow down the game, to
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hope that we've done that with this series.

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