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Speaker 1 (00:30):
What's good, folks, Welcome to another edition of the Cover
one Film Room, the show that gives you the hows
and the whys behind both the good and the bad
of the Buffalo Bills. I am one of your two hosts,
Anthony pro Haska, joined as always by.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Eric Turner and Eric. It's another week.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
It's another week of game film, It's another week of
hard Knocks, It's another week of some risers, some followers
on the roster, depth chart conversations. We have a jam packed,
as we normally do here, jam packed episode. A lot
of film in this one, which surprise because it's Film Room,
so we're gonna keep things light and brief early on.

(01:05):
But yeah, we got some hard knocks pieces, we got
some overall bills versus bears thoughts, some film to dive
into fun episode.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
But before we do that, how you going, How you doing?
How's it going? How are you feeling good?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Hey, we're at our like typical time. I mean, this
is like, this is the first time in months that
we're liually live at five. We did it not by choice, really,
both of our work schedules were ridiculous this week, especially today.
Uh so we did have to push all the way
to five right now, Football for my son who's five,

(01:36):
just started, so they're like doing four days a week
Monday through Thursdays. So unfortunately, this is the practice I'm
missing today. It's the first one though, but normally once
the season starts, you know, next week, it'll be Tuesdays
and Thursdays, so I won't miss anything.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
So I still feel terrible about that.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I feel it's all good, But like you said, we
have a lot of film.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Quickly, we'll talk about Knocks.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I want to get your thoughts on the episode from
last night, and then obviously the shell acking that the
Bills took on behalf of the Bears, which two years
in a row really when it comes to that, so well,
we want to break down over twenty clips from that
game about some of the young players who we believe
could have major impacts this year and with film comes

(02:23):
tracking their development. So we're gonna be talking about Landa Jackson, T. J. Sanders,
Dion Walker, Jordan Hancock of course, and some others off
the top.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
But I'm excited long film room session ahead of us.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But again, what's your overall thoughts on hard Knocks or
anything stand out from that episode last night.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
First thing, so we if something kind of schematic and
strategic get into. But the first thing we got film
of the McGovern pizza party that he told us about
back in the film room, like dude think and I
geeked out when he It was like they showed it
for maybe like a quarter or a half of the
set in with him putting the like making the pizza
muffins that he told us about that are like one

(03:04):
of his favorite things where he makes him in the
muffin tins.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I like, I geeked out.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
A TOLDO, I was like he told us about that
everything that they're showing like he told us, Like, I
thought that was super cool from like a US perspective
and kind of knowing that it was cool to see
that there were a lot of cool things. Honestly, I
thought that the improv class in Chicago was super cool.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
That the guy running that.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I love the way he talked to kJ Hammler and
called him like a warm, soft brick wall.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, it was just I was like, is that
a compliment? No, I think it is. He means it well.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
But that exercise I thought was cool and like the
purpose behind it and how much the team liked it.
It's always cool to see like the team building activities
that teams engage in in hard knocks.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I thought that was cool.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
But the schematic piece you and I talked about it
a little bit before we went online. I thought it
was interesting. Bobby Babbage and you know, coach Holm, the
linebackers coach, both made references to like three and outs,
like getting stops and getting the ball back, and Bobby
Babbage's specific verbage was kind of like, you know, it's
three plays and get the ball back to Josh Allen

(04:08):
or like less than that, to hit the ball, yeah,
to get the ball back to Josh Allen. And then
coach Hokum his verbiage was, you know, literally saying, like
preaching the importance of three plays takeaway. Three plays are
a takeaway and so this idea of you know, takeaway
still being important. We know that that's what this defense
has been the past several years, but they were really
bad last year on forcing three and outs. Yeah, and

(04:30):
granted we didn't have hard knocks last offseason. So I
don't know if this was a new coaching point or
if it's par for the course or there maybe it's
been part for the course, but because they were bad
last year, they wanted to emphasize it.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
But you know, we've talked about it on the show.
For as good as they.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Were with the turnovers, they were lacking in some other
areas from like an advanced metric drive stats perspective and
you know, new series generated three and outs, punts, all
that kind of stuff. It was a lot of times
it was purely relying on the aggressiveness, which can work
for this team and has in the past. But I
thought that was an interesting little piece tying that into everything.
And then also if you want to go big picture

(05:04):
and running that up the up the flagpole Sean McDermott
preaching aggressive and physical and nasty. It seems like, just
even more so than years past, they're really emphasizing taking
the ball away, playing on the front foot, attacking, attacking, attacking.
Multiple references to that in this in that episode, And
I thought this the three and out pieces were interesting
to know, you know, kind of coming down.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
For the defense.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, they want them to attack, they want them to
be aggressive, they want them to play fast. Now we
didn't see almost any of those things.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
It's so ironic that it game lead But.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
With that said, there's no game planning there, and that
that is I want to start there. That's where the
third down piece is what is so exciting because they
haven't shown anything exotic and if if the team in
the off season when they did their self scout, you know,
self scouting for third downs, and they had to come
up with some kind of schematic thing or things that

(05:59):
will come back what they're going to see from opposing offenses.
So one that is exciting for us have yet just
show it. Obviously, think about it. Sixteen offensive touchdowns surrendered
on third down alone last year that was ranked twenty eighth.
They allowed thirteen hundred and sixty one yards on third
down that was twenty seventh overall. A completion percentage is
sixty six point nine percent, which is thirty second overall.

(06:23):
So there's a lot of red when I'm looking at
a lot of these stats a third down. And so
I agree, you know, they brought in some different personnel.
I assume and believe they will bring in some different
schematic stuff on third downs, some more exotic stuff to
get them not just turnovers, but in many ways get
off the field and to force punts and whatnot. And

(06:44):
so yes, that is exciting to see. And I thought
it was really cool to along those lines with the coaching,
to see Joe Brady kind of running the room but
not with the players running the room and coaching his coaches,
his staff. I thought that was really cool and I
wish there was more of that. I wish there was
more of Maybe it's between coaches and players in the

(07:07):
film room, right, like breaking down some film or something
like that. That'd be cool to hear some of those conversations.
It was cool to hear Brady in that sense telling
his coaches what he wants them to stress or highlight
good or bad in their in their individual meetings and
film room sessions.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, I thought that was super cool.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Like even just the little thing of like playing not
only playing through the whistle, but also like from a
teammate perspective and like always picking up a guy off
the ground and he highlights I think it was Vandermark
and Keon for helping somebody off the ground, like those
little pieces, and I think that's another cool bread crumb
into the overall mentality. Like we know for the last
year it's been everybody eats, but I think this is
like another bread crumb in terms of that overall like

(07:49):
togetherness or that team mentality and you know, not to
be corny, but the other type of like you know,
all for one and one for all type of deal
that this offense seems to operate on.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, I wish we got more of that. I will
there was more. When they started with that.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I was like, Oh, they're gonna like, yeah, let's talk
some tape, let's show, we're going over, let's tie, and
then it was like quick the forty five seconds and then.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
It went away. I wish, Yeah, I wish we got
more of that.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
And yeah, I hope we get some changes on third
downs and to kind of piggyback off some of your points.
Buffalo Bill's third down defense in twenty twenty four thirtieth
and conversion rate twenty ninth and EPA per play thirty
first and success rate thirty first at.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
EPA per pass not great goes on and a lot
of message.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, the list goes on and on. But I thought
last night's episode was we talked about last week. The
first two were like, we gave episode one to pass
for being kind of like the baseline.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Episode, but episode two was very.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Dull and very dry, and I thought last night was
a positive step towards kind of what we would like
to see more of, even if you're just not even
a Bills fan. I thought it was more entertaining, more fun,
and we got some cool, you know, peaks behind the
curtain in a couple instances.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
And this is going to kind of be like a
good segue into tonight's episode. My favorite portion of that
episode last night was when McDermott was screaming to his coaches, Hey,
if they're not doing their job, if they're not doing
things right, get them off the field. He was obviously
pissed at the way they were playing. And honestly, man,
if I'm like thinking, after watching the film several times,

(09:18):
after seeing that Hard Knocks episode, how the game ended
and everything, and then hear in those comments, I find
it difficult to not believe that was a d line issue.
I feel like if he was gonna be saying that
to any's position group, I feel like it would be
d line, which again I think is a perfect segue
into the guys we're gonna be talking about tonight. In

(09:40):
the film room, as we talked about TJ Sanders, Dan
Walker Landon Jackson and whatnot, because in the game against
the Giants, we talked about each wave of the D
line and who started and whatnot. If you noticed, rather
than being like the third defensive wave into your defensive
alignment of t J. Sanders and Dan Wall, they were

(10:02):
pretty much the one of some of the first few
guys out there as opposed to being Carter was Carter
and Ogen Jovie as a second wave of last year.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
So and then you saw.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Carter playing late deep yep into that game. So like
when he made that comment, I was like, it was
probably I assumed it was against the D line because
he did also mention how both sides of the ball
when we're talking trenches got their asses handed to them.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
That was a big one for me too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
He whoever that is, I don't know if it's quality
control person or his assistant, he did something.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
We saw it kind of last week of the episode two.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
He almost like says notes out loud and then tells
the guy to like write that down. And his verbiage
last night was, yeah, like both sides of the line
of scrimmage were getting outplayed and he's like circle that
and he tells that yeah, that, and I mean it
was evident whether you watched it on the broadcast, whether
you watched it on tape like we did. They lost
in the trenches and McDermott was pissed.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, John, my buddy, John asked, what's what's going on? Fellas?
Can't stay for the whose show?

Speaker 2 (10:55):
But one cloward?

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Do you believe in Babbage and getting the most of
this group? Thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (11:00):
I think obviously he's gone through some growing pains and
some learning and some self scouting. Like I said, I
think we're gonna see how far he's come in those
third down situations in the first quarter this season against
some of the teams. We're gonna see. So I'm still
I'm still in wait and see mode. I love him

(11:21):
as a coach. If I was a player, if I
was a coach that worked with him or under him,
I would love to have that type of relationship because
he sounds super smart, and he's very convincing, and he
he's coached some of the better players at their positions
in the league at different levels, So I do think
he's knowledgeable, but again, trying to meld that knowledge off

(11:45):
of paper and try to put it into a strategy
and game plan and calm plays on game day are
different things, and so again it's it's a learning process,
and I'm sure, just like the players, he also learned
a lot from last year.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I'm hopeful it's you know, believing whether he'll get the
most out of the group. For me, not even positively
or negatively, we just don't have the sample size he's
got one year as a defensive coordinator. He has no
real history or tradition, and being in that role, we
have to see what do adjustments look like, what does
he go forward with? I will say, tying into a
point you made in earlier, I saw a lot of

(12:20):
schematic things that made me hopeful when I was at camp,
and I know you saw some as well. We have
not seen those be put into action in the preseason, rightfully.
So so that's the biggest thing I'm hopeful for I think,
and this might be you know, copium on my part,
but I'm hopeful that Babbage and McDermott, or either or

(12:43):
both recognize their shortcomings last year and the additions that
they made in this offseason were made to lean.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Harder in specific directions but also.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Be able to tweak and combat the issues they had
last year, and I'm very hopeful based on what I
saw in camp. We haven't seen that in the preseason,
so I'm thinking, okay, there, keeping it in the holster.
They're gonna wait until at the regular season, and that's
when I think it'll really come to fruition. I hope
there's if they come out and essentially operate the way
they did last year, that it I'll lose my mind,

(13:12):
but I I just yeah, I'm hopeful that they won't.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
And it's tough because we're gonna be reviewing some film
that was god awful, so's no scheming going on. But
I didn't like obviously how easily they were pushed around
on both sides of the ball. That that's without goes
without saying, but you could tell that these depth players,
especially when you're talking about that the second stringers for
the Bills going up against the starters of the Bears,

(13:37):
you could tell their processing was a half a click behind,
like the speed of the Bears, the crispness, the the scheming.
I will say, I think Ben Johnson he had some
zingers in there. They're like, this is preseason. You're running
option routes and like these type of leverage reads.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, the little like the play action half boot and
then like the second flight end is delaying and circling back. Yeah,
it was very there more stuff. Yeah, there was more
purpose and attention to what they were right. Not to
give the Bills a pass, but I think that also
makes sense for the Bears new staff. You're trying to
figure everything out, You're trying to maybe ye, ramp up
a little bit more on the.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Right foot, right, Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Obviously both teams are in different areas of when you're
talking about building a team and foundation. But they got
pushed back. They couldn't disengage from blocks, they couldn't create
any displacement on offense. Communication was awful, especially if you're
talking the second level of the defense and even the
third level. I thought the communication was so bad. You
didn't see as many like the week before, you didn't

(14:37):
see as often guys you know, pointing things out, Hey
there's motion and then all the adjustments. You didn't see
that leadership when it came to the the stuff that
you could see when we're watching film, the physical stuff,
the pointing, the slices were awful. This game as opposed
to last week. I mean, allowing six plays pass plays
over twenty yards is a big no no in this defense,

(14:58):
and three of those went over twenty five yards, and
so that was disappointing to see. But overall, when it
comes to the team itself, I will take them resting
their starters like they did and sometimes taking it on
a chin like that. When you're talking about Ben Johnson,
his offense and some of the skilled players they were
rolling out there. It sucks the way, you know, the

(15:20):
taste that we have as fans now in our mouth
from that game. But keep it in perspective. You want
everyone healthy and you want to get through the preseason.
You want to get through the offseason and training camp
into Week one with everyone healthy.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Even if this type of loss happened early in the
regular season, it's it's one game. Let's see how they adjust.
It would be worse, but let's see how they adjust.
But even more so in the present preseason. Yeah, all
the context you added, not really playing the starters, the
Bears operating with a bit more intention.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Cool to see.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I saw it briefly before we went live. Like Tyson
Bagent got rewarded with a contract extension. Yea, So maybe
shout out to the Bills defense for helping him get that.
He was super emotional at the podium. He had a
couple in this game, So shout out to him.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
He was a baller, He was fun to watch man.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
He he was. He was.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
You can see the speed.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Right, you could, yes, exactly and you can see that
play speed like he was locked in as opposed to
like a lot of the Bill's defenders, they weren't locked
in like Bagent was just clicking and he was doing
everything right.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
This this comment from Josh at the Comments.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
He says Ben Johnson was calling plays like a guy
whose girlfriends.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Basketball and going away too hard. That's fair.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
That is spot on, man, spot on.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
And it's funny because I went back and and it's
something we're gonna you know, we saw a bunch in
this in this game. When you're talking Bears offense versus
the Bill's defense, Crack blocks and the lack of Crack replaces.
There were like plays several plays where the wide receiver
and a tight split would push Crack to the safety,
take him out, and then the corner would delay and

(16:54):
not come down and replace him.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Crack replaces something you know who.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
A lot of it was Dorian Strong, who you and
I talked about during the scrimmage of just even his
fits off a duo and that crack replaced and that
continues to be a struggle for him.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
But yeah, it was a theme overall great.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
And it's funny because I right before he went live,
I watched some cutups I did a bishop his entire
season last year and how he was coming down, yeah,
and filling kind of like Hancock. He was coming down
sometimes he had his peripheral all the receiver coming and
he would use and it was against the Lions where
he did it perfectly several times, and so it was

(17:27):
not surprising to see Ben Johnson use that over and
over again in this game against the Bills.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, he spammed the hell out of it like a
guy who's going is watching Hi play pickup basketball.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I liked that.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Oh real quick, somebody in the chat we have not
spoken about the Zia Alexander signing yet. I went back
to my Twitter and retweeted some stuff that I posted.
I didn't really realize the Bills had signs Alexander, who
I think you were a fan of from LSU A little.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Bit eron Quinn.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Aq actually was he sometimes Again, we watched so much
film when we cover this team. Everyone at Cover one,
you just have a feeling. Sometimes you see a player
and you're just like, just like for me, like with Tjan,
he's a Buffalo Bill. When day Kwon was coming as
a free agent, I was like, he's a Like we
all have these just like feelings and guts and like

(18:16):
we trust our eyes.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
We're like, he's a Buffalo Bill.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
And Aaron was one of the first guys that I
know from Cover one to say like, hey, is that
you gotta you gotta watch him, you gotta watch him.
And I kind of just kept pushing them off because
I was like, dude, I only have so much time.
I can't watch a possible fringe draft player. You know,
because he he loves the adequate cut cornerback play and

(18:40):
he loved him. He he has a lot of that,
like Bill's DNA and trades and you know, did a
lot of stuff from off coverage, kind of Levi Wallace
type developmental player. So when he was signed in media,
I got I had to give kudos to Aq.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, so i' Eric and I were talking about this
offline I had up of a day.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I have not been on any social media a way,
shape or form.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
So I saw that in the comments and I was like, oh,
and I googled it and it was like, happened five
hours ago.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
So that was a yeah, cool, little fun little nugget. Eric,
should we dive into the film.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Let's go, man, we got twenty two clips. Guys, grab
your beverages, hit the bathroom. Now we have a lot
of film and we're going to talk about with a
guy who we obviously love in TJ. Sanders, and I
will say I think we both said something along the
lines early in this game that TJ. Sanders and the
young interior defensive lineman in this game, we're getting driven

(19:36):
off the ball and you can see it here. And
this is what I love about all the clips that
we've pulled for this. You're gonna see these young defensive
linemen take on different types of blocks, and I want
you to pay attention to what we call the blocks
and how many guys are blocking him, whether it's a
combo block, double team, solo block, baseboll pay attention to

(19:57):
those type of things because these are the things that
the defense to linemen and Sanders and Walker have to
press this in a click in a really short amount
of time what type of block they're going to see.
So on this one, the Bears are running a gap
run backside pullar in power and you see what we
call a deuce block on the front side of this play,
and they do a good job of disblazing him, getting

(20:18):
him off the line of scrimmage. But honestly, Andresen and
Dorian Williams do a great job of scraping and getting
off of blocks to kind of save this place. So
while Sanders was driven off the ball three yards or more,
Andresa does a great job of scraping over the top,
staying away from the right tackle and helping make the
tackle after a minimal gain on this play. But as

(20:41):
you can see, Sanders is getting wiped out at the
point of attack and it's a.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Big no no.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
But for the most part, he did what he could
to occupy those two blockers.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, and if you kind of think about it, like
in a not to be homers like in a way
he kept andreason free and allowed him to make the play.
And I think there's example two of yes, Like, yeah,
the the idea of kind of the linebacker's making right
and playing off of it, and Sanders gets blown off.

(21:12):
One of my biggest takeaways too, is like Darnell Wright
should appeel, I get it, You're like working the hell
out of Sanders, but he's displaced. Peel off exactly fifty eight.
Your eyes are on Andresen. Sanders is displaced. Get onto
that man. It's a good play by Andreasen to recognize
and stay detached, but right almost just kind of like

(21:32):
flails at him and reaches that should have been prime
displaced move off earlier, get to Andresen.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
He doesn't.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
It allows Andresen to kind of fill into that spot,
which is nice. And also you called out Dorian. I
like Dorian. You can see he attacks like through the
outside shoulder of eighty four to play into exactly into
that gap.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
But look as whereas look at where his eyes are, look.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
At where his head is. He and Andresen converge. So again,
I highlighting in a negative way Sanders getting blown off
the ball, which is a potential concern for him, but
a nice fit off of that by Andresen and Dorian,
and I think a good example of something we talk
about a bunch of this show you can have guys
that can make you right even when you're wrong. And
this is a good job by the second level making

(22:16):
up for what happened up front to Sanders, and a
little bit on Darnel right the Bears right tackle for
not really executing how we should have been could have.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Right good leverage on the front side of this play.
A lot of times when the linebacker scrapes too quickly
over the top, a lot of times what the running
back is going to do is kind.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Of cut back here, yep.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
So kudos to Dion Walker on this play at stacking
and staying home on that play on the backside to
kind of funnel the running back to the front side,
not allowing a backside cut on this power So pretty good,
pretty good work on this play overall. But like I said,
you see a little displacement by Sanders, but overall good
job of just enveloping those blocks, absorbing it and then

(22:56):
the relationship of linebacker and DT of andrecent and over
the top.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
You see that movement on that play and you would think,
oh man, this probably went for at least five yards.
It only went for a three yard gain. Three yards,
which is crazy good, all right.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
So Sanders and Walker again on this play.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
So three tech Sanders is a three tech outside shoulder
of the guard, get a shade, a tight shade by
Walker over the center, and this one you're gonna see
Sanders just get washed out again. He's trying to drop
that knee, but with duo here, everyone's obviously getting caved down,
and so he gets washed out decent stack and shed

(23:32):
by Walker on the center and using his eyes and
putting himself in the backfield, and you can see there
is some movement right there on him as he's kind
of tracking the ball, but he does help make the
tackle right there.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
But there's a decent gain on this run. This is duo.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
It's an ugly, ugly physical downhill run, but really good
work on the by the guard and backup tackle of
washing Sanders down. But again they didn't allow the running
back to get out the back door. But you're seeing
some movement, and this is what we're watching on the broadcast,
and so you're watching here from the side angle, you're like,
holy crap, those boys are getting displaced. But for the

(24:12):
most part it was minimal. But these are things again,
the different types of blocks. You saw a power a
gap block and a gap run on that first play.
This is power without a polar so they're blocking down.
It's a gap type run, but you're seeing obviously now
a different a different type of run, and obviously a
track by the running back, but still those down blocks

(24:33):
at the point of attack. And Santers gets wiped out
on this play.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, it's almost like karma for all the duo runs
the bills of ad success on their side of.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
The ball over the ears.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I also like the little wrinkle that the Bears had
in this one eighty seven. Luther Burden did a bunch
of the low red zone. I like the little short
motion and almost kind of like slingshotting him into the
insert to pick up the safety.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
I thought that was a nice touch. But yeah, I
don't have too much to add on this one. Like
this is this is one of my bigger areas of
concern for the year, like going with you know, guys
like Ogunjobi and Sanders idealing in your top four rotation,
your pass rush and your inside juice have been increased
significantly versus what they were last year. But there isn't

(25:14):
a chance that you will suffer a bit against double
teams and displacement.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
The offense is being able to reset the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
You will see that potentially, it's just a matter of
the give and take and how much the success in
other areas mitigates that. And yeah, there were you know,
to lead off with a couple of rough reps here
this one Sanders and then Dorian's fit off of it
just a huge gap.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
To run through.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
And I don't know why Dorrian fly I mean, I
get it, but I also I don't know why he
flies out.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
The front door.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Used so much time, I watched.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
It so much, I didn't understand a lot of this
run fit. I was confused as well.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
I'm confused from the jump from the lineman.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Okay, too high safeties, right, I mean they're not super deep,
but the two high safeties. Look at this bubble right
here that I don't understand. I don't understand why Andresen
is not bumped over here, and like as the ball snapped,
I don't know if they're trying to rotate in and
slide these guys right at the snap, but there's a
huge bubble over the middle. And so Sanders, I thought

(26:12):
he did a good job of stacking and getting his
eyes in the backfield.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, for both sides, even if he was like two
gap in there, Like, look at all the space he
has to try and do for both gaps.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
So I mean, if the running back paced this a
little better, I think the bubbles right here, yes, the
cut back yeah, because like you can see, Walker gets reached.
But I thought Sanders did a great job on this place,
playing with a good pad level, stacking eyes in the backfield,
but he just wasn't able to disengage from that guy
when he won it early in this rep. And then,
like you said, you have Dorian. I don't know why,

(26:43):
you know you have Solomon take on on these two.
I don't know why he's flying over the top, but
it would make sense, I guess, gap wise, But I
just and then you have a push crack from the
receiver on Hamlin and you're getting a late replaced from
uh Dane Jackson. But even Hamlin Hamlin, listen, I can't

(27:04):
defend him in this game.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
He was awful.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
So look at this, there's no aggressiveness right here. You
see him kind of you're supposed to come down hard.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
And that's my question, Like if Dorian is purposefully taking
that outside track. I would expect Hamlin to fill that
game urgency exactly, but it looks like he's almost not,
which makes me think, do Dorian screw up and Hamlin
wasn't expecting that, or is Hamlin just not operating with urgency.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
I'm pretty sure you see Dane Jackson pissed off. I
feel like Hamlin was supposed to fill with urgency and
because he obviously replaced Hamlin there to make the tackle.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
See and he's looking back.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I thought it was Hamlin's looking at Dane like almost
like you can look at the body language, like Hamlin's
looking like Dane is talking to him right there.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
He seems shake his head like he acknowledges Dane's disdain
right there.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Dane's disdain. That's what this episode should be entitled.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, but this in a multitude of way, these run
fits were on that play like all kind of There
were a couple times where the fits from the second
and third level in this game pissed me off, like
there was there was there was, Yeah, there was some
good work up front, but the second level would screw
it up. And then we had reps where the first
the first level was getting displaced horizontally or vertically. Yeah, real,
real frustrating from a run fit perspective.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
In this one.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
So here's Sanders play side again getting washed or giving
a lot of ground up again. Now you're having more
of a it's a quick combination block. So essentially you
see the two guys that I have outline are working
first level of the second level, so they're blocking Sanders
working to Andreesen. But because Andresen is stacked this left tackle,
he can't hang heavy on this block. So a lot

(28:42):
of times they'll just punch out with the inside hand,
try to hit the the shoulder outside shoulder of Sanders
to feed him to the guard and then quickly get
to Andreas because you see Andresen gets there quickly, and
so you see Sanders kind of get bumped over just
enough where that guard is able to essentially work his
helmet to the play side there. But Sanders can't anchor.

(29:05):
He's giving up so much ground on this play. His
hands are out, his eyes are in the backfield, but
he's not able to anchor at the same time and
do that stuff together. And luckily that you have Hoyt
coming from the backside scraping down line of scrimmage not
having to worry about this boot out because they have
a backside contained player in Hancock. So again, if Hoyt

(29:27):
doesn't make this play, this is a big run by
the running back.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, this is the like a little cat catch twenty two.
Here's great play from Hoyt. You can see him change
his pace a little bit once he sees that ball,
his hand handed off and he works his way down
the line. So great read, good eyes, good urgency, and
then follow through on the tackle. But yeah, that again displacement.
Guy's being moved, the line of scrimmage being reset, and

(29:52):
just you can see that from the interior, like Walker
being taken a bit downfield. He tries to spin out
of it. Sanders, Like, we.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Got to talk about that because you're gonna see this
in some of Walker's film, and so, yes, displacement the
point of attack right on Sanders, but they're working also
to that second level, and so it's the same type
of thing. He's got to get out quickly because Dorian
is basically in plus territory over the top of Walker,
and so right off the bat you see the punch
by the center and it gets just enough of Walker,

(30:22):
So that's the playside. The helmet can get to the
play side, and then once you get under him, and
once you win leverage on Walker, that that boys pad
level easily gets popped up and you're able to create
that displacement where you're gonna see him do a spin move,
which is going to create issues once the season starts.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Not playing with your hands.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
It's one thing to be quick off the ball, win
quickly in your gap and maybe get reached or maybe
get washed down to kind of force the cutback. It's
another to do something like that and spin out of
it because as soon as you spin out of it,
where do you think they're gonna cut?

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Most of the time right inside of you?

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Right, Yeah, it's not it's hard to make that spin
in the gap and make a play out of it. Yeah,
they're gonna if any thing, He's gonna cut exactly right
off the butt of sixty five.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
So Walker's face outside.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, he was trying, and Hoyt is the one who
kind of shut it down, and maybe Donian sheds and
makes that play. What annoys me too with the point
of contact here with Walker is I know the center
goes for that punch in that feed. He barely, if
at all, makes contact with Walker, and based on Walker's
initial pre snap alignment, that's a somewhat hard reach block

(31:27):
for that right guard to cross his face and turn
and win inside leverage. It's just slow off the ball
from Walker. I don't know if he was still trying
to your hands for guy. Yeah, Like, it's slow off
the ball. You're not taking advantage of the hands and
the length that you have, Like, just you gotta swing
that body, use your hands, or if you're feeling that
momentum right if they if sixty five has reached you

(31:49):
like that, take your outside hand Walker's left, chuck him inside,
cut that back thing off, Like it's just yeah, you
can't allow to get Yeah, like he just lets sixty
five cross his face, get into his chest and then
the response of the spin out of it very much
less than ideal. So it ends up being a good
play from Hoyt, but they just get people moved on

(32:12):
the interior.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, you'd like for him to get work his way
across the face. Maybe you don't get completely across the
face of that blocker, but you want to force a cutback.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
You're one eleventh.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
This helmet in this hole, working down line of scrimmage,
forcing that cutback, which is why they have the fold
player in Hoyt and Hancock on the backside of that
to fill those gaps on the backside of this run.
They want to force these own runs all the way
back because that means that that running back is holding
onto the ball behind the line of scrimmage, not pressing

(32:43):
the line of scrimmage. Luckily Hoyt was there to make
that play. But let's get into some of the good stuff,
all right. I know we kind of hammered them early.
Let's get into a couple of good players from Sanders
and then we'll move on to Walker. Really nice run
blitz on this play, and so you're gonna see Sanders
in that three tech outside shoulder the guard work immediately
his strength quickly across the face.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Latterly, what are these guys doing.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
They're working across the face inside gap, sending the safety
off the edge on the run blitz, and you see
that really pin the running back end really give him
no options or avenues to break this play. But again,
the quickness by Landa Jackson at edge also TJ Sanders
inside to get across the face of their blockers to

(33:26):
disrupt the blocking scheme of this duo run really put
several Bills defenders in the backfield and disrupted this play.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, and what's nice to see on this one too.
This is the Bears once. So that is TJ.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Sanders working across the face of seventy three, which is
Jonah Jackson, pretty good guard in this league and part
of the remade Bears interior. I like, yeah, I like
how he's able to not only cross Jackson's face and
get up field, but then that ability to turn and flatten.
He doesn't get widened, he doesn't get pushed up field.
He turns and flattens and gets down the line.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
And the other like little detail about this. When you're
playing against the run, you're always taught to not go deeper,
usually of the two yards heels of the offensive lineman.
And so you see he has that quickness to win
across the face. But then yes, like you said, the
athleticism too, but it's foot in the ground two yards
deep and work back down the line of scrimmage, chasing

(34:21):
the ball carrier down.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Man.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
This is this is the type of stuff that when
we watch his film coming out, these are the things
he did at South Carolina, but also stuff that we're like, dude,
when we're talking translating to Babbage's defense, Mcdermot's defense, these
rum blitzes, these run stunts, like this is his bread
and butter. This is where he will make tremendous impact
for the Bill's defense when it comes to stopping the run.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, and this is the way like when with them
leaning into like Ogunjobi and Sanders on the interior and
knowing that they have ed and dequon there, like this
is the way I think they're really gonna win inside
against the run.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
It's taking advantage of that quickness.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
And these slants, these stunts, these rumblitz however you want
verbalize it, because like we showed a little bit, you
don't want t. J. Sanders right now just purely trying
to take on Like you don't want him trying to
anchor or drop in the knee, like let him win
with quickness. And this is nice, you know, slanting the front.
We see the penetration from Jackson and Sanders, and I
know Damar misses the tackle, but this funnels perfectly to Damar.

(35:21):
Granted he gets a little bit of a crack from
Roma Dunze number fifteen there puts him a little on
the back. Maybe it influences, but this run gets blown
up because of the run blitz and the action up front.
And then yeah, great job from Sanders working down the
line and kind of clotheslining the running back a little bit.
Even Dan Jackson forces that thing back inside. That's a
nice that's a nice design and it's good execution.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
And these two together.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I love watching Walker and Sanders together this preseason, so
I want you to watch his play and how Sanders
essentially replaces Dan Walker.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's almost like it's on purpose, like a purposeful a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
It's a beautiful read. You're not just gonna stick. When
the you know, run stays out to the play side,
to the right side of the screen there, you can
see them really trying to work Dion Walker there and
even so much so you basically have three guys that
had to get a piece of Walker, and yeah, Walker's
heads down, He's really not gonna be a factor in
this play, but he did enough that everyone can now

(36:16):
get to the ball.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
And you see just the heady play from t J.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Sanders of working over the top kind of replacing Dian
Walker realizing, hey, Walker got pinned down.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Now I gotta work over the top to float of
the ball.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
He does a great job of that, and he's right
there in the hole to meet the running back and you.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Know, shout out to the edge being kept a little
bit there by Michael Hoyt forces that thing back inside
and not to flame him anymore than anybody has. But
look at the fit from Herndon the safety thirty eight,
the urgency he comes forward with. If we're kind of
juxtaposing that with Hamlet's fit from earlier, look at the
impact that has Yep with a forceful crack coming and

(36:53):
Herndon gets cracked. But at the end of the day,
his urgency coming down in this fit is what makes
thirty put his right foot in the ground and looks
to cut back off of sixty three and go inside,
and that's what leads him to Sanders. So a nice
coordinated dance and the fit. Good effort from Sanders and Read,
and then a little shout out to Herndon for replacing

(37:14):
that with urgency, tying it in with Hoyt. I love
these plays that really show like to highlight one person
making the play you have to highlight the other dominoes
that I do it. Yeah, runfits are so fun.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
And they're attacking that week side bubble. That's this is
what the Bills do when they run yep. A lot
of their zone plays, mid zone, wide zone, that being
at bubble yep. And so you're trying to attack that
big at bubble. And yes, Walker again, he took one
for the team, took three for the team essentially. But
you see, everyone does their those little details, everyone does

(37:45):
their one eleventh and Sanders is there to quickly replace
Walker over the top. Now enough with run fits, let's
talk a couple of pass rush moves from Sanders. I
thought he did a great job in this game of
not just using that you know, double handed swipe or
scissors move, but doing a good job.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Of using speed to power.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
So you started to see a little more of his
pass rush arsenal and so on this play, I want
you to watch him from that wide alignment just inside
the right tackle, and you're gonna see there's that nice
swipe and that lateral quickness on that play. A little
arm over and now the ball is out because bagent
again it was balling' but that's a quick win. And
again I think he's gonna have a lot of these

(38:24):
quick wins. And we talked about the quick game of
opposing offenses against the Bill's defense. I think if they
can do if they were playing really soft in this
game and coverage they were playing really soft, the ball
was out pretty quickly. There was nothing exotic in coverage
and rotations, and so the ball is easily out here
with inside leverage on Dorian Strong. But that was a
quick win, speed win on this play from Sanders.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, again, another example of the agility, the explosion, that
lateral ability he has is gonna win him so many
battles from a pass rush standpoint, but even from a
run standpoint, like we showed, like his ability to go
from gap to gap almost instantaneously and then bear down
get good played by Oh no pun intended on the

(39:09):
bear down there. But yeah, he's had some really nice
wins to start out the preseason in this past rush capacity.
And again, that wider alignment I think helps kind of
puts him on an island a little bit.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
With the guard he's probably most.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Especially to the running back side that is usually what
the man side. This guy's actually a dual read. So
he's watching Dorian up in the line of scrimmage. But
as Dorian peels out, now you see that guard go
ahead and pick up Sanders. So they're basically doing a
dual read with the guard and looks like they're just
isolated out here, maybe not not even with a chip,
but I mean it's a tough play for the guard.

(39:43):
But this is These are the type of things that
you know Babbage and his staff can scheme up to attack. Hey,
this is the man side of the protection. This is
the dual read side of the protection. Put that guy
in a buine, put that guard in a bine by
putting TJ. Sanders in a wide alignment and really allow
him to attack the court.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
And we'll get sixty five on the snap.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Like his eyes are on Dorian as he's looking Bang
right at Dorian, and then is his eyes transition because
he's like, okay, Dorian's going outside. He's behind me exactly,
and he tries to meet and he oversets a little
bit potentially, and Sanders takes advantage and puts his foot
in the ground. A bank catches them leaning too far
over his feet, and Bang gets him inside immediately sucks.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
It sucks they completed that. But I know there's right.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Dude, Yeah, flashes, yeah, those like even it's not a
results driven type. Preces is not results driven exactly. It's
the it's the evaluation of these players. It's the flashes,
as we put in the title of this show, the
growing pans you see in some of them against the run.
You see in him win against the run and TJ. Sanders,
but these flashes of pass rush moves for him, that's

(40:52):
what we're saying. They've get They've given Babbage the personnel
to do some things. Now they just got to add
some of the scheme to put those to put the
stress on the offensive line and allow the staff to
attack and allow TJ. Sanders to attack offensive lines and
offensive players.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yes, and exactly in the preseason, especially the process piece
being so important. Again not to be corny or like
Homer's about it, but you want to see guys engage
in sound process and with things like that. You know,
that's a great play by Pagent. Somebody got open ball
was completed. Odds are if you have guys up front
that continue to win in about two seconds more often

(41:28):
than not, it's going to be a negative play in
some form or fashion for the offense, even if it's
just an incompletion. So these little nuggets aren't just like oh,
trying to find a silver lining. They're actual positive pieces
and elements that matter. This one I liked. It's not
just pure agility, it's not just penetration. It's going through
a guy with some pop and violence in the hands
and that long arm. And look at seventy four trying

(41:50):
to He's trying to hop and reset and anchor and
he just cannot.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
And I just I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Wide alignment and watch the left guard he plays with
wide hands, outside hands or outside the frame that allows
after the little heavy rush, see there's a little hesitation
off the snap a paint. Yeah, is he gonna stay
in the B gap or is he gonna just dart
inside to the A gap? So you see that little hesitation.

(42:17):
He kind of comes down the line right down the
center of that left guard, and with the wide hands,
he realizes, oh, okay, I'm seeing the drop and now
I can just transition speed the power long arm right
down the center of that guard, and he just opens
him up and disrupts that play. I love the speed
of power move by Sanders on this play.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, I don't have too much to add I so
much of his wins we show like the swipe you
know with his hands, or going from gap to gap.
If he can consistently go through guys and translate more
of that explosion to not just being lateral and being
able to go through people.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Man like, goodness, gracious, what he could be.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Again, look at the side of the protection and he's
he's on the man's side. It's one on one.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Walker's eating up two blocks right here because of the
defensive formation they brought out. And so again, getting him
in these situations that you can get him one on ones,
He's gonna create so much disruption to opposing offenses.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Man, I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Especially once he gets into a spot where he is
more like in the rotation and you have him there
in the third quarter in the fourth quarter where he's
fresher in the offensive line or not.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Like, that's a real nice piece to have inside.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yep, all right, let's move on to Walker. And so
some little details prior to this play. So you see
two tight ends off the right side of the screen, Well,
they motion. I want you to watch the tight shade
initially on the center right here by Walker, but the
motion and the balanced formation, because the tight end goes across,
they move him into I think Lorenzo called it a
gong technique. So now he's it's a g front, so

(43:51):
he's the inside shoulder of that guard. So now you
can see his whole posture is completely different right here.
So what the Bears are trying to do, they're trying
to work a common garden center to Andres and the linebacker.
And so now you have Walker playing more into that guard,
and you know, with a balance formation, that's kind of
a game plan thing where like, hey, the two tight

(44:12):
ends were to the same side, then you're gonna have
him play in a tighter shade. But because of the formation,
now they're running mid zone to right at Walker. And
I thought Walker did a great job here a playing
into that guard and holding him up as in with
good pad level too. You see him down there, those
hips and hips are down. But for some reason the
angle by Joe, like Joe normally he'll take this right

(44:33):
here right and then go get the running back, for
some reason he plays it really tight to the guard.
And so the work by Dan Walker on this play.
You can even see the hand right here walk The
work by him is really just for not because Joe
gets caught up in traffic when he left a really
nice runway for Joe to go make a play, a
play in the backfield on this Yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
One pissed me off. A lot of plays in this
game pissed me off.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
But like you said, Andresen is usually very good at
fitting the run I don't know why he cuts it
not only tight to seventy four into him, like he
goes into seventy four's chest like there's yeah, you asked
to get snatched. I don't know why take that angle,
shoot that thing, cut that thing off, because if you do,

(45:17):
you're either gonna make the play or thirty eight is
gonna have to cut back into dion Walker, who has
leverage on the center because of his initial alignment. Like
you said, they switch over to that g front, which
means Dion Walker is in a two I he's got
leverage advantage against the center who can't reach him. You've
got those two gaps fit up between Walker and Andresen

(45:38):
if he does it correctly. And then even on the
another cracker place aspect, we're not getting the proper fit
from the CB outside, Strong gets caught peeking in the
side a little bit on Scott coming in thirty eight
is able to get the corner instead. Even with Andresen
screwing up, Strong should be right there to kind of
meet on the outside of eighty eight and force that backs.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
So we just it's.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Unfortunate that on a rep where I was like, is
Walker gonna drop the knee?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Who cares? He's still playing with sub leverage. Look at that.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
The rest of the fits kind of let him down,
which again is symptomatic of what we saw a lot
in this game. You know, just the disconnect in the
run fit between the first and second level.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
So now you have both tight ends to the right
side of the screen. Here it's a strong formation to
the defense's left, and so you have that tight shade
alignment from Dean Walker. So the guard and the center
a working combination block to Dorian Williams and you see
the center once again, he's got to get out.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
He's got to get out. Really nice punch on Dean Walker.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I don't know if Dion's trying to do an arm
over or swim it, but he gets completely turned which
is a big no no because then you see what
those pats pop straight up, all right, and so he's
not he's he can't he gets reached, he can't stay
in his gap right here, he's completely turned, and then
you get the cut back right off his butt. And
again it just this one is not a good one

(46:57):
by Walker. The thing with Walker is it when when
he's a backside you know, nose tackle on these kind
of plays, he's got to keep his pads down like
win Jordan Phillips. I always compare him to Jordan Phillips
because of their body types and how they win with
the quickness off the snap. Like, okay, you get punched there,
but just get into your gap, all right, Get in

(47:18):
your gap and get your pads down because like you
said on the other play, you know, get in your gap,
chase the ball, force that cutback. But you got to
be able to play with your eyes. You gotta play
with your hands, like where are.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
They right now?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
You can't even see him. He's not even looking at
the ball. It was pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
He's literally he's literally looking to the sideline because he
got completely turned horizontal, Like look at he's moving horizontally
and Yeah, great punch from seventy one. We talked about
it a couple you know plays ago like didn't really
get a punch on Walker that time, and sixty five
was able to reach them. This is just a good
punch in the center and you can see how it
completely turns Walker's shoulders and he with his body type,

(47:58):
if he starts to lose an initially, it's so hard
for him to recover because he doesn't have all this.
He's a rigid type of player and he's tall, so
he doesn't have this. Let me, you know, drop and
sink a little bit and anchor, and then that impacts
Dorrian Williams who's trying to fit off of him, And
exactly your point, like exactly if Walker could have gotten

(48:18):
across there initially, Dorrian can just fit right off of him,
kind of like what Dorian still does.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
But because of the space.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
And Dorian had him to take on the block, he's
unable to make the tackle and it just it creates
a nega domino.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Look where the where he starts on the hash and
then where the cutback is where he's on the other hatch.
Look at that movement that the Bears created based on
this formation on Walker and the other thing that pissed
me off on this play again we talked about one
to eleven was freaking aj Epinessea get over the top here.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
That's a great him and him and Hollcock especially, Yeah,
him and Hancock play the same friggin gap. Like if
AJ gets across, that's also the backside phill in that
B gap.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Great call, yep.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, it's just terrible, Like where is the aggression here
by Aj?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Like, what are you doing here? Get over the top?
Where's that burst?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
You know, you have that safety coming off the edge.
You got to do everything to work across and down
the line of scrimmage. So again it maybe it makes
it that backside cut. Maybe Hancock, you know, maybe Epinessa's
right here and this running back has to cut it
all the way back and then you have Handcock.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
But it was just awful.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
There was no aggression, there was no juice, and you
saw it at every level in this game from the
Bill's defense. And so here's another one. This is a
good one though, and we talked about that. We talked
about the different alignments, we talked about the different blocks
these guys are seeing. It's all good even the mistakes.
You heard Babbage talk about it all the time in
Espressor's mistakes. That's the best way to learn. And so

(49:46):
this is a good time. This is a good learning experiment.
But this is a play again. It kind of likens
back to Jordan Phillips and he would always see these
backblocks by offensive lineman when teams wanted to run these
gap you know, Connor trade type runs and you see
Cheehan Walker read this from a mile away. Left guard's

(50:06):
back blocking on him. He swims that quickly and that
disrupts the entire blocking scheme. He gets a piece of
the left tackle. Everything's muddied up. Now everyone's running to
the ball and he's there to make the tackle. This
was fantastic stuff from Walker on this gap run.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Yeah, this was so pretty. Bears run gy counter and
Walker just beats that down block immediately swims it quick
seventy nine the left tackle. He's trying to make his
way to Dorian Williams. He can't because like you said,
Walker impacts him, gums up the whole works inside and

(50:42):
then you get the fits over the top, you know.
Shout out to Ajpaness on this one. He wrong arms
the guard bangs him a little bit, not the best,
but does the job is yep, muddies it up Andresen
takes outside. Dorian fits outside, and then you know, you
get down Dion Walker, who because he beat the left
guard and then the left tackle is still trying to

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pick up Thrnian because that's his man. Walker becomes free,
meets thirty eight in the hole and makes a nice
play this for it. Yes, yeah, it was nice that
it's this one started with Walker and ended with Walker,
so he was rewarded for kind of gumming it up
in the first place.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
And then he gets the you know the nice yeah,
the nice stop too.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
So quick man, it just bang. How he swims that again?
That that reading that processing.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Yeah, and he sees it. You can see him see
it like he's looking at seventy one. Seventy one moves
and watch Walker immediately get his eyes to seventy four
because he sees the flash from the center and knows
up here comes the down block bank and swims it
like that's good processing, that's good.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Yeah, as soon and again look where his eyes are.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
There's kind of right in this a gap right, and
he sees the footwork and body posture of that center
go back, and so he's like, all right, well if
he's leaving someone who's coming after me, and he immediately
reads it and you see that reactive athleticism to swim
it and then again just gumb everything up up the middle.
That is what he needs to continuously do. Especially if

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we're talking Ravens week one. Man, those boys are gonna
be bringing their gap runs, those powers, you know, those countertraits.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
They're gonna be bringing it.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
And so that type of quickness is gonna be awesome
to see right out of the gate from Walker.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
The Ravens they're unicorn of an offense, and they're kind
of not even kind of they are a jugger not
and they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Look to people move and set the tone.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
The Bills are going to have to answer the running,
like the running the football bell early and often to
start the season.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
So these kind of flashes are nice, all right.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
So here's a bad one. This is rough man, Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Single block on Walker here backside garden tackle are working
first level of the two Andreasen. Just watch Walker on
this plate, okay. I like his pad level, I like
his eyes are in the backfield. But as you can
see at this point, just how everything's unfolding, Andresen has
this gap. So get your eyes this gap. You gotta
be worried about here. And so maybe he's trying to

(53:03):
bait him. Maybe he's trying to bay him to see. Oh,
there's two helmets the running backs. These two helmets in
this gap. I'm gonna hit this. So then Walker, as
soon as that guy commits the running back, maybe he
disengages make the tackle, but he does something completely different instead,
instead of again getting his helmet across and disengaged him
to make the tackle, he tries throwing him by. He

(53:25):
tries throwing him by, and so then he's out of
the play. Now that guy's moving on and the Hancock
luckily saves the tackle in the hole from the end zone.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
You can see him come down from the end zone.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
I don't know why Walker essentially was playing in the
wrong gap. He was playing the same gap as Andresen here.
If he's on this side, he's making the play here
against the running back.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, this is really annoying. I also just realized seventy
one is Ryan Bates.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Shout out to Bill c and Ryan batesh yeah, crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Though I forgot we traded him there.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I was like, this guy moves so familiar, and I'm like,
it's Ryan Bates. Yeah, this one I don't they there's
even if initially he's like, okay, I'm supposed to be
in this gap, even if he thinks he's supposed to
be to the you know, to to the left of
the center, but to the right from this angle, Yeah,
you can play Devil's advocate and saying maybe he's baiting it, like,

(54:15):
but you see what's happening here, Get off that, get
into the other gap. I don't know why he even
honors it, and then stays in it further.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
And then yeah he's baits yeah, and stays inside you.
And then Bates is almost stealed himself off. That's exactly it.
He's stealed themselves off.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
And I feel like Bates was like, oh, this is
the freebie. I can move on to someone else like that.
That that almost we just showed up the play prior
great processing. You know, you see the center moves, get
your eyes to the guard, beat the down block. Bang
this one I don't understand, like from start to finish,
and then just to shed to shed it and seal

(54:54):
yourself exactly. There's the question mark. The Riddler is in
that a gap I don't understand. And you see the
fits from everyone else right crossing fitting if Walker is there,
where is thirty eight cutting into because there's a body
and a hat and each gap. Guys are muddy things
up elsewhere and it's yeah, this one's annoying.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Man.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Yeah it was rough.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
There's some flashes, but there's some struggles as well from
Walker and TJ Sanders for that matter.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
So this is where much like TJ.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Sanders, you're gonna see a lot of wins, a lot
of success. Wide alignment, pass rushing violence on this playoffs
from a wide alignment by Dian Walker on that way,
you can see just creating a havoc from that wide alignment,
just violent hands by him attacking outside. Heasy rush and

(55:45):
then dives inside, wins against that guard, blows up the
running back trying to release. There's just chaos happening in
front of Beigent and you see Beijing essentially Tuck rule
it and just all things sid Dan Walker. I'm excited
to see this type of stuff, you know, as the
season begins from Walker because he can.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
When he shows that violence and he shows that aggression. Man,
he can be a very tough block.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
The further he gets, you know, like away from the
center of the wider he gets. We talked about it
like his best tape of Kentucky like him in these
wide alignments. And this one's so funny to be because the
running back is totally just like all right.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Cool, let me let me release and then and then
gets popped.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
And then Dorian drops the running back right before he
gets the forty That would that would just get to me.
But yeah, there, I don't have too much to add.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Walker just causes chaos.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
I like the movement, yes, like creating almost way way
go for yourself bang almost like what's the keyst did
to Cole Bishop when they were playing Cover one for
that first touchdown for the Bears.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
There creates the two way go.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
And then it's not only creating it, like obviously this
is obvious, but it's crazy to have that type of
movement at that size to create a two way go
and take advantage of it. And he does beat seventy
four inside MUCKs up the release of the running back,
and then because he MUCKs that up, seventy four trips
on the chaos and just gets buried. And then it's

(57:14):
very much just like like a bear running through a campsite.
Like that's what you get on this one. Yeah, and
that's what you want him to be. Use those arms,
use those paws, be huge and athletic and take advantage
of that skill set.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
And there's are back to back weeks.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
We saw it with a flash against the Giants, we
see it a flash here against the Bears. It's nice
to see him kind of being effective in this type
of role.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah, definitely good stuff. And so we're gonna move on
to little land in Jackson. He was a guy that
Bill's fans after the week one of the preseason, it
was almost like he's already a bust.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Right, There was a lot.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
But you know what's funny too, there was a lot
in this one too. You know, doing the postgame show,
a lot of people are like, man Land and Jackson sucks,
and so I take it with a grain of salt,
but I was I'm prized that so many people thought
he did absolutely nothing in this game. And then I
watched the tape and I was like, there was like
three or four really good rushes in this game, and

(58:08):
I don't know how they went so unnoticed.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Yeah, and again I think the broadcast stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
It's it's tough to watch it from the broadcast when
you're talking angles and these wide alignments by Land and Jackson.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
So let's get into some of this.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
I thought his ability to change his speed of his rushes,
but also the line to set up to set up
his pass rush moves. Although he wasn't able to finish,
he finished with five pressures, which again that's a win
after getting one in the first week. But look at
how he attacks from outside. He attacks down the center line,
nice kick slide by that left tackle, and so he
kind of stabs inside right there. That gets what that

(58:42):
oftentive lineman to stop his feet there outside his frame.
More importantly, he starts to punch out those hands and
then you see the hand usage.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
We talked about his cross chop.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
He's got some decent pass rush moves that you know
he kind of developed in college and so we got
to see it in this game. But he put it together,
not just with the hand usage with the cross shot,
but changing the pace, changing that line at the quarterback
to win the edge, whether you're talking outside or inside.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, like the like you said, like the angle that
he takes right at seventy nine off that snap and
like sees the set attacks him head on and then
we get that little stab inside that on almost that
euro step transition and great timing between the feet and
the hands and the precision of the hands, we get
that cross jop.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
He crosses over.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
With his left arm clubs and is able to pull
himself through forces Beigent to step up. That was a
really nice piece from him, and it should have led
to some positives. We had a great pass off between
Joe Andreesen and Dan Jackson. Dane is barreling down on Beagent.
This should have been an incompletion or sack or some
kind of something. I think Dane is able to keep
up with Bagent and tackling short and make a play.

(59:50):
But like you and I talked about on Twitter when
this happened, Yeah, Andresen like now with a laser pointer. Yeah,
just saw Beigent step up and was like, oh, let
me step up, and there's a guy wide open in
the back. And I think this is when two people
will see him be Like Jackson didn't do anything like
quarterbacks stepped up, made a play, but that's a win
for Jackson movement.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
I'm sorry, yeah, I was thinking Dane Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
But again, this is a high leverage play, a high
leverage situation, fourth and three on this play, very good
communication with Andreas and he was struggling in this game.
He calls out, he overtakes it. Dan Jackson falls off
and now he replaces him, and so yes, he's the
contained player as Bagent leaves the pocket andreason needs to
stay with his guy, not play top down in that

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linebacker mode, which we know he's good at in and
around the line of scrimmage. But when you get in
space in these high leverage situations, you see Andreasen kind
of fold there, but really nice rush in line by Jackson.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Unfortunately he didn't make it home. But you see it.
You saw it a couple of.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Times in this game where he kind of busted it
out wide alignment, different tackle here again, changes that line,
gets that tackle to look stop his feet, punch those
hands out there, is that crosschop again, does good job.
I want to see him just again get there a
little quicker, but uh, he does get a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Hit on the quarterback. But there's a flag on this play.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
But I liked the hand usage here from him, and overall,
I thought he had a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Really good game.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
And I will agree when I watched it from the
broadcast angle, I didn't have the same takeaway that I
had after watching the all twenty two in the end
zone angle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah, you know I echo that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
You know, for as much as people were flaming him
in my head, I didn't have like responses on the
post game show. I was like, no, he did X,
Y and Z, and I was like, yeah, I don't
really remember seeing anything. And I watched the tape and
I was like, oh, these are really nice and this
one's good too, you know, like the previous one. I've
talked about it with him, Like I personally, I just
don't like, I'm wary of guys that are high cut. Yeah,

(01:01:45):
and how that leads to just how rigid you are
or stiff in your lower body and the lack of
flexibility and how that impacts the moves you can do,
but also your ability to flatten.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
This is a nice flatten.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
He gets held up a little bit by seventy two,
like you could see the little slight hit and then
almost like he gets pushed through the slingshot of the
arc there, But that's nice hand quickness, precision hands, and
then the ability to flatten and get down the line
similar to what he did on the previous play.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
That to me, like personally, is very encouraging because I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Like what he can do with his hands and his length,
But I worry about the ability to turn the corner
even if he's clean because of how he's built physically
in the body type that he has. So this one
was really These type of winds are very encouraging.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
For me, and I will say I think there's a
way for him to overcome that if he can't always
run the hoop or run the arc and flat into
the quarterback when he there was another rep in this game.
I didn't cut it, but there's another rep where he
used a long arm and because he realized, hey, I'm
not gonna win the outside edge, I'm going to use
the long arm, and then Baigent kind of scaped out
of the pocket on that play. But if he can,

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cause he's gonna challenge guys up the field. Once he
gets into his rhythm, he's gonna challenge guys up the field,
and once he gets those guys setting lean with that left.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Lean, with that inside arm and long arm the hell
out of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Them and let him and throw him by, grab him,
throw him by, and then you'll be right at the
depth of the quarterback. Then it's easier to flatten. So
I think it'll come along. Maybe it's not the first
quarter of the season. I do think he'll realize that, hey,
I can get up the field, I can win the
outside edge, and I just need to use my length.
And we saw that a little bit in this game.

(01:03:19):
And on that rush I'm talking about, he's just got
a transition from that power move of long arm and
when he hits the top of the drop of the
quarterback and the depth of the quarterback, throwing that guy
by because he's off balance and because of his length
and size and power, and then you're going to be
right at the quarterback's feet.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Now you can close.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
It's a little easier than trying to run the hoop
when he's a high cut player.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, being him to kind of put his foot in
the ground and get back upfield and flat at quarterback depth,
like you said, and tying off that threat of oh
so he can get outside if I'm a tackle, he
can get outside of me, he can beat me through
my outside shoulder and flatten and if he can use
the cross chop threaten with those moves and then also
have some of that speed. How in the long run,
then it starts to create Okay, gotta get outside, I

(01:04:03):
gotta set, I gotta get out there, and now you
can throw him by work down the line and then
also tying two quarterbacks probably feeling that thinking I got
to step up and you're stepping up right into the
flatten of you know, Jackson, and it creates pressure or a.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Sack and to kind of wrap up the edge. Talk
with Landon Jackson. So basically through two games he has
a thirteen point five win percentage as a pass rusher
has it, which is second behind Michael Hoy.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
We've talked enough about him. He's ready. I know he's
gonna be. He's gonna be glad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Would they put that tight end on him and the
first half and he just ran right through.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Him and he had a PRP A pass rush productivity
rating of eight point one Landon Jackson eight point one.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
That leads everyone at.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Edge position as far as pass rush productivity goes. That
leads everyone so again, this was a big game and
you got to see and feel some of what Landon
Jackson brings real quick shout out Javon Solomon. I thought
he was fantastic and I know you whether it's run pass,
he played with good leverage, his cross chop, his moves,

(01:05:04):
his power, his speed to power move on on right
the starting right tackle for the Bears. I thought that
was phenomenal. Let me ask you, did Solomon's play this
preseason make aj Epanessa expendable. I'll ask you that and
then we'll transition to Jordan hack.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I want to say yes because I want the contract
and the affordability and that positional value. I'm not there yet.
I think he needs to do a little more in
the third preseason game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
But you talked about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Some of the flashes in this game again, and that
cross chop, what's arguably like the best rep of anyone
in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
It was so clean.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
He works through the initial Yeah, he works through the
initial redirect from the tight end and then seamlessly moves
through that into the jumping cross chop and flattens and
buries the QB like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
It was so clean, it was so pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I want to say, yes, I'm not there yet. I
could be depending on what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
This is it. Yeah, just like look at him work
through eighty six. Look how clean that is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Look how clean the timing bang bang, and the barries
the QB with a good hit right on his hip
put him into the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
So pretty. What are your thoughts? Do you think he's
done enough to make AJ expendable? There yet for you either?

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I think with Hoyt being out six games, I think
you wait, I think maybe trade deadline possibly, because I
think that then you're, you know, you can kind of
switch rolls where AJ you have an early down type
run defender, because obviously you're gonna have Hoyt back, and
he showed he can do it all. And so I
think then maybe at the trade deadline, I think then
you could, you know, start having those conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
And a point for me too, if I knew Boso
was gonna be healthy right and could play early downs,
it would change my mind also.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
And I say this because when we're talking PFF pass
rush ratings PRP again Landa Jackson eight one. He's number
one in the preseason at edge. Michael Hoyt seven to
five now since bizarre Javon Solomon seven point one. All right,
seven point one, and this is kind of the dividing line.
Javon Solomon was a seven point one PRP in the preseason.

(01:07:09):
So far, aj Appanessa is at two point four with
twenty one pass rushes. So early down player Ajess has
been that. He was that last year. Again, maybe you
don't want Solomon as that backup early down player. You
want him more and pass Russ situations. That's why I
say maybe aj is that guy early in the year,

(01:07:31):
but then once Hoyt comes back, maybe AJ is now
you know, expendable. Hoyt comes in, and then now you
have Solomon as a specialty rusher you know that can
also fill in and some rundowns. I thought he's been
physical enough to play the run when we're talking this preseason,
I thought he's done a great job. He had a
really nice rep against the tight end, winning inside, making

(01:07:52):
the tackle.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Like he's ready. I think he's close to being ready, man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yeah, he's He's at a good camp.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
He had some really nice flashes in the Red and
Blue scrim with blue and red whatever witch it is. Yeah,
I can get there because he just I need aj
to be just at a essentially what he was last
year that got Overlooke where he was like a top
twenty something edge against the run. Like if he's got
to be that and maybe even a little more if
he's not offering anything as a pass rusher, it just

(01:08:18):
it's muddy man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
And yeah, I'm in a swood boat, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
So Jordan Hancock, like, listen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Best Bill safety in the history of the Bills.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
I know everyone wants him to be in the starting
safety conversation because Hamlin sucks, Bishop sucks. I'm not there yet, guys,
and we're gonna show you why. You know again, there
are some flashes like you're seeing one right here. This
is you gotta be able to do this. This is
from the safety position, coming from depth the late rotation
into a cover three. So he is that b gap

(01:08:48):
player on this play. But great job of beating that
crack block by the wide receiver from the tight split
and just making a play in the backfield. He had
several of these in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Yeah, this is designed rotation, so shout out for the call.
But I like the timing and the pacing of it.
When he decides to make his run. He doesn't declare
too early, he doesn't declare too late, so he's not
kind of given that early indication. But he's also not
getting beat to the spot by the wide receiver trying
to hit that crack so nice and look at look
at the the You see the explosion there, that little

(01:09:20):
hop step bang, and he shoots like that's a different
type of speed. Yeah, that than the Bills have had
at safety and that you know, Hamlin doesn't have that
type of juice. I think Bishop has some of it,
but he's been limited in his reps. Again, Bishop is
great that I shouldn't say great. He's good, you know,
buzzing down from depth, whether by design or kind of
on his own and feeling that out. But we've seen

(01:09:41):
Hancock make a couple of good plays coming forward, either
as a blitzer or these late rotations which the Bills
have done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
They done, they've done this, these late rotations with their safeties.
But it's nice to see him kind of making a
play on that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Here's what I think he'd want back post safety. This
is a touchdown pass.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
You said, the receiver of the bombs screen just slipping
behind him and and I feel like Hancock did see
him coming behind him, but he kind of loses sight
of him, maybe loses leverage of him and feeling him
behind him, because it looked like he was in the
passing window and he was gonna trail this perfectly and
deter that throw. But Beigent he's snuck it in there
for a touchdown right behind behind Hancock here. Just disappointing

(01:10:20):
to see because I thought he was in great position
to make this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Play completely agree and that yeah, the exact urbage for me,
like he's gonna want this one back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
You're gonna see this on tape.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Like it looks like he reads it, he feels it,
he sees it, he's in position, and then he just
gets too flat and trails off a bit. And even
with that, yeah, like that's a dot from Beigent, like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
I thought at the end zone angle, I'm trying to
find it. Hold on ant I swear I had the
end zone angle on this one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
But let me see is it this one? No, let's not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I have it on my Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Uh at some point I can pull it off like
cut it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
That's no big deal, is let's see here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
The only thing in all is you try to like
see if you can find it my not to put
anyone on blast, and I understand they're at different levels
of their career. If this you and ever talking about
this offline, if this happened to Cole Bishop or Damar
Hamlin right now, the discourse would be never ending. Yes,
And I know again Hancock's a rookie. Damar Hamlin has significant,

(01:11:18):
you know, more NFL experience, So I understand it's not
necessarily apples to apples or even you know, Hancock to Bishop,
but we have to keep the same energy. I did
not see the film dropped off.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
I gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
We didn't see, and I don't want anybody to get flamed,
but we didn't see in the same level of outrage
that benefit. Had happened to other certain safeties, I feel
like the discourse would have been much of it. Yeah,
this angle gives you a damn man, This throw from
Beijing is so nice, but yeah, hancocks, Hancock's gonna want
this one back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Yeah, look like right there, man, It's almost like he
was kind of challenging in Beijing. Yeah, maybe like bait thinking,
like baiting.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Baiting Beijing and Dane's disting. We got a lot of
fun alliteration going on in this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
I know, yeah, maybe a little bit and trying to
you know, think thought he could get there, and maybe
that's maybe he was doing that, and maybe it's a
learning experience that like, hey man, backups in the NFL
are still better than the starters in college and you
might get somebody, Yeah, good learning. So maybe you know,
that's kind of what it was. Maybe he didn't lose him,
maybe he knew he was there and he was trying

(01:12:24):
to bait it. But either way, like that's one you're
gonna walk back if you're Jordan Hancock, especially given where
he was initially with his positioning.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Right, and here's a touchdown from the Bears and you
see Hamlin and then you talked about the little insert
and kind of like crack block that they did on
the safeties or these you know, C gap players D
gap players. Hamlin gets picked off right there and then
you see the touchdown. And so this was early in
the game, and so they showed this look several times
and so you see later in the game, here comes

(01:12:53):
you know, the same type of play. Here's Hancock in
that gap, the D gap there, and you see see
him shoot the gap and make the tackle, but he
doesn't really, he kind of hesitates at first, and honestly,
I think if this wide receiver coming in actually does
his job, i think this is also a touchdown. But

(01:13:14):
he doesn't come all the way down to go crack
on Hancock, and so Hancock makes the tackle. But Anthony,
as good as that play was, the very next play,
they do it again, same alignment, same play, same wide receiver,
and now you see boom, he actually does his job.
And even luth Burton, this is what's funny that he

(01:13:34):
was getting praised on this play about how good of
a block, and it was a good block on this one,
but did they forget the play before when he completely
did not block his assignment. Like, it's funny to see
these back to back. You'd like to see Hancock understand,
Hey Hamlin, he got cracked. The guy should have cracked
me on this on the play he made the play
on the tackle. And then finally the wide receiver does

(01:13:57):
his job and he actually does pick up handcock kind
that's play.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Right, Yeah, And I would say the Bears wide receivers
were you know, push cracking with purpose. They were menaces
and trying to for as much as you can. In
today's NFL they were trying to like take dudes heads
off with their push cracks, which was nice, but yeah,
Burden doesn't do anything of the play before does here
you'd like to see Hancock recognize that feel it a
little bit, leverage that gap a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
And then again another one for me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
You know, Dorian Strong, just where are you in your
run fit the previous one that we showed with Burden
cracking on Hamlin.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
You know, Strong almost.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Thinks like it looks like it thinks it's gonna be
a jet motion and it's almost looking like he's trying
to go to the other side of the formation. And
look how far inside he gets caught. Heah, he crosses
the field goal post.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
And that's that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
I saw some people here were like, oh, horrible play
by Joe Andreesen, like no, that's Dorian Strong, Like you
got to make that play, my man, Like you gotta fit.
They're running duo that you are the unblocked defender. They
are putting you in conflict by design. You've got to
step up. You are that forced player that is your
ali to execute in and we keep seeing that from

(01:15:03):
Dorrian Strong, which is pissing me off because you go
to you went to Virginia Tech, like you know how
to fit the run and play defense, get your eyes
right fit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
I feel like you do this every year too, with
the push crack stuff, the crack replaced stuff. I feel
like one team throughout the season just hammers the Bills
with it and they kind of like Okay. Then they
they make up for it, and then they start doing
it properly and they start being keen to situations and
formations or alignments where that crack is coming on the

(01:15:34):
safety and the corner has to replace. I feel like
one team always gets the Bills. And maybe maybe this
is again, this is a blessing in this guy is
Ben Johnson. He probably did it eight to ten times
in this game, and so maybe this is the early
learning experience for the Bill safeties and young corners like
Dorian Strong.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
But let's move on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Here's a play by Hancock that I think he affected
this play as a flats player. He's dropping in to
his own cover cheer cover three. He's a flats player.
I think he affects this throw to the flats. But
I think that if he trusted his eyes, I think
he can go make a play on this. I think
he could almost get a turnover on this play. But

(01:16:13):
you see a little hesitation right there, right there, right
to go, go, go, go get it. And like I said,
I think the throw is affected. I think the quarterback
purposely threw it out here. But if he just trusts
his eyes, if he has attention to detail and trusts
his vision, well, you know, you hear Babbage and McDermott
talk about guys playing with vision, playing with their eyes
and trusting it. I think Hancock, if he did that here,

(01:16:35):
he may have gotten an interception.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Yeah, I'm right there with you. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
He he spins down and you can see him processing
what he's got in front of him. So he initially
looks towards you know, Loveland in the slot, the number two,
and he sees he sees.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Him going across. So you're done there. He points it
and look at it. He points to Hancock's pointing it out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
He calls it out, get into your spot, and then
you can read, yeah, read that upfield shoulder of the quarterback.
Read the body language. If he shoots it there. And
I understand having some trepidation, but it's that second hop
that you talked about, like he reads it from here
and it's there. It's that pause right there. He hops

(01:17:16):
and he stops, even if he's still moving and slow
playing it, even if he doesn't shoot and trigger immediately,
if he just keeps his feet moving, yeah, there's a
chance that he gets a PBu or he might get
me an et an.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I in on that play.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
But yeah, because he was there and it's nice read
number two two is going on the over call it out.
Get to your spot. You know the curl of the flat.
Recognize what you got going on there, or maybe you
know he's worried about it slipping in behind him. But yeah,
that would have been nice to see from him.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
So details, right, details post safety here here comes acrosser.
You're a slicer. You're cutting that and you're getting the
replacement from the corner at the top of the screen.
You see him hesitating about doing that. And honestly, if
Beage wasn't pressured by Jackson and you know he has
a little more time, this guy's eliminated. But this guy
who Hancock should be cutting and slicing would be wide

(01:18:09):
open for a big play and he's fast. He might
get up the sideline there for a big play. So
details when the coaches talk about, you know, pump the
brakes on Hancock being a starting safety or challenging for
that position, I think they're telling you go watch the
film and watch how some of the details are lacking
right now for the young young safety there in Jordan Hancock.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
And I think on this one, I watched this a
bunch on the end zone angle. I think he thinks
the ball got handed off.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
You could be that too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
So he's playing like and look at where his eyes are.
It's like he's following thirty three. Yeah, he's ready to
peel down on the run, and then all of a
sudden he goes, uh, oh, he doesn't have the ball,
and because his eyes go back to Baijing, his eyes
go into the pocket and go, oh oh, the quarterback
has it. So he is completely fooled. Whether it's responsibility,

(01:18:59):
whether he had passed, but it's a responsibility error.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
I think he I think he had really good mechanics there,
so that's very possible as well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Yeah, that's what I'm just looking at his eyes and
following him in the way he triggers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I think he read.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Run and got caught taking the cheese and dude is
wide open on that drag. And yeah, kudos the Beigent
thrope man Beijing, Beijing had himself a game again. Shout
out to him for getting that contract extension. That's a
that's real good rhythm and action on that play.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Action piece from him. Shout out to him again, well done.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Yeah, so again details that they matter, and you know
it was there was some good stuff on film from
these young guys, young players that we believe could have
impact throughout this season. But there's a lot of things
they can also work on. And you see some of
the struggles when whether it's anchoring at the point of
attack for Sanders, whether it's Dean Walker playing with that

(01:19:53):
pad level way too high or just not fitting the
right gaps and doing his one eleventh to be reward
order for that, or things like that, just not covering
the slice, losing track of the ball. There's some things
that we saw that we liked from these young players,
but a lot of growing pans as well.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Like the title says.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Yeah, and I think some of that is part for
the course, right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I think you know, the concerns we had for Walker
have been shown, but some of the positives that we
talked about that others lauded him for have been shown
as well, but again work in progress. He's I think
a big project guy. But if that project pays off,
you could have a really high upside type of guy.
But the floor is what it is, you know, given

(01:20:36):
his body type and his stature and his physical makeup
and how he operates from a play style standpoint, and Sanders, Yeah,
I think Sanders, I'm not too I'm not too worried
that Sanders. For me, I think has very much been
par for the course. I thought he would be fine
as a rusher and he would penetrate and do his stuff. Yeah,
he's gonna be fine. He's gotta you know, yeah, work

(01:20:57):
on reading double teams, dropping that knee.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
Maybe he puts on a little bit of muscle at
some point or some weight and changes things a little bit.
But even with that, I think, for especially for this
year's Ookie, I think this is what we're gonna have
to live with. There's gonna be time for he gets
blown off the ball and you're like, dude, he's five
yards downfield or man, this base block took him three
or four yards downfield and then you're gonna forget about
it because he's gonna beat somebody on third and seven

(01:21:21):
and heat up the QB. Or they're gonna run a
run stunt or rumblitz on first down and he's gonna
shoot in and blow up a play and it's second
and thirteen. I think that's where you get the gin
in the yang aspect of what they've leaned into on
the interior.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
And let's be honest here, if do you want a
defensive lineman to have a pretty good pass rush acumen
and have to be taught the run or vice versa.
I think the Bills approach it the proper way, where hey,
maybe they're gonna have some struggles or inconsistencies against the run,
but hey, when those high leverage third and fourth downds happened,

(01:21:55):
you saw you get them one on ones if you
schematically can get them one on ones, or give them
those two way goes. Those two guys in Walker and Sanders,
they're gonna make some impact plays. That's why you know
you see the thumbnail in the background, the impact Watch,
Like those guys are gonna make some splash plays. But
as you said, they're gonna have some lapses and inconsistencies

(01:22:16):
in some of the run stuff as the season goes on,
but I'm excited of the young crop and.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
Overall overall the overhaul.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
I'm sorry that the Bills, you know, committed to on
the defensive side of the ball, the youth that they
injected into the defense. I think there will be those
ups and downs and roller coaster rides this year, but
I do think that they are going to make some
plays and become some household names and really names of
the future.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
For the Bill's defense, They're they're gonna need to be
especially early on.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
You know, Larry Ogunjobi being out, that means T. J.
Sanders is probably defensive tackle three. Dion Walker might be
defensive tackle four right now with how Dwayne Carter has looked.
So you're gonna need to hang your hat on them
a little bit. And even when Ogen Joe comes back,
Sanders anything is a lock for a top four in
the rotation, and you take those guys in the interior,
you take Land and Jackson on the edge. Aj Apanessa

(01:23:10):
is a UFA next year. You only signed Joey Bosa
for one year. Land and Jackson would be ideally a
nice core piece to have going forward. And we're gonna
see what we get from those guys, you know, upfront
and maybe potentially Hancock on the back end. We'll see
what happens with Hamlin. We'll see a bishop's injury concern still,
you know, manifest positively or negatively. We'll see what happens there.

(01:23:32):
But yeah, I thought this was some disappointing aspects. But again,
even for somebody like me who my biggest worry for
this team is what happens in the spine and how
much displacement and blowing off the ball happens against the
spine and the interior. I think some of it is
part for the course, and you know there's positives and
negatives the gin in the yang to these guys, and
we'll see what happens as we start to go forward

(01:23:53):
in preseason week three and then the regular season to
come after that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
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