The Fortified Life Podcast with Jason Davis - EP 189 | Chuck Proudfit | Redeeming the Workplace: Journey from Corporate to Calling - THE FORTIFIED LIFE PODCAST

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to the Fortified Life podcast, where we learn how
to develop a dependency on Jesus in the marketplace.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
From the boardroom to the bathroom, God is with you.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Here's our host, author, speaker, teacher, encouragerpreitio coach, and my husband.
It's the man they call mister forty five Jason Davis.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hey, what's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode
of the Fortified Life podcast where we are passionate about
developing a dependency on Jesus in the marketplace. I'm your host,
Jason Davis aka mister Fortifi. Every week we have the
opportunity to have on coaches, authors, speakers, leaders of nonprofits,

(01:01):
all who are passionate about putting God back in business.
And like always, it's no different this week. And I
got to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, I am extremely
excited to have our guests on today. Before I bring
him on, let me introduce him to you. I'm a
little excited because of just how we met, but we'll

(01:23):
get into that, bladies and gentlemen. Our guest today is
none other than Chuck proudfit at. He's the founder of
at Work on Purpose, which began in two thousand and
three as a small group of christ followers meeting together
about work is Worship. God blessed those early gatherings and
the number of participants grew steadily to become dozens, then hundreds,

(01:48):
and eventually thousands of everyday working Christians from all over
Greater Cincinnati, Ohio. Today, at Work on Purpose as emerged
as an innovator of city wide workplace ministry model that
mobilizes the church at work across church homes, denominations, zip codes,

(02:09):
and ministries. They remain headquartered in Cincinnati. Now they are
supporting the development of citywide workplace ministry across the world.
Ladies and gentlemen, My friend Chuck Proudford, Chuck, great to
have you on the show.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Great to be here.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know, Chucks, it's interesting. Before we came on, I
was reflecting on the first time that we met, and
we actually met at a city wide impact initiative here
in Atlanta, Georgia, where I'm me at and Chuck, I
got to tell you I've been to a lot of
different events or conferences or experiences, if you will, and

(02:55):
the Lord was moving very strongly, and so Chuck, I
knew that when I met I met you there and
just what God was doing at that event. Instead, I
have you on here now. I'm pretty fired up, Chuck.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
I'm happy to be here with you. Jason. It was
so fun to meet you in Atlanta and so many
of the other people that were part of that City
Impact initiative.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Absolutely well, Chuck for the guest. We know that you
just didn't wake up today in twenty twenty five doing
what you're doing. Now we know there's a story, there's
a journey. Talk to us about your professional background and
how you got to what you're doing today.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Sure, well, we've all got an origin story, including me.
I'll give the abbreviated version of mine. Unlike perhaps many
of the folks who are tuning in for this, I
didn't grow up in the church. I grew up in
a happy but not a holy household in Boulder, Colorado.
I was the on of two English professors, and I

(04:02):
kind of knew that there were people that were religious
or spiritual, but I didn't know what that was about.
So I walked into my early adult life aware that
there were some people that really built their lives around faith,
but it wasn't part of the way I was leading
my life until I graduated from Harvard with a degree

(04:23):
in organizational development. I landed in Cincinnati, Ohio, where I live,
working at an international consumer products company called Procter and Gamble,
and I was assigned to toilet paper, much to the
horror of my parents. They'd take it out a second
mortgage on their house to send their son to Harvard.
They thought I'd go into academia and instead, from their

(04:45):
vantage point, I'm growing into a career in greedy corporate America.
I'm moving to the parochial Midwest, and to add insult
to injury, Procter and Gambles putting me on toilet paper.
Remember about a week into my job, my mom called me,
who's always been very direct, and she says, chucking or
flushing your career down the toilet. And honestly, Jason, you know,

(05:13):
a young guy doesn't like to hear that from his mom.
But after about six months, I was starting to wonder
if she'd been right. I was assigned to a brand
called White Cloud. It's now Sharman Ultra for those who care,
but it was a struggling brand. It was softer and
thicker than people wanted to pay for to flush down
a toilet, and my job was to figure out how

(05:34):
to make it more profitable. So I ended up spending
six months traveling around the country talking to consumers. And
the very short version of this story is that they
basically said, look, you're already charging an awful lot for this.
We don't want to pay more. So I ended up
on a project where we took thirty sheets off of
each roll. We wound the roles more loosely, so the

(05:56):
diameter was the same as before the sheet count reduction.
We took a tiny increase in the thickness of the paper.
In my job, Jason was to market it as new
and improved, new because it had thirty few er sheets,
and improved because it was thicker than ever. And this
was not inspiring for me. So I remember, like it
was yesterday, I was walking home from work and thinking

(06:18):
to myself, I'm going to get promoted for short sheeting
the consumer. And is this really all that work is about?
You know? And I know that this happens in our
world all the time. It's not like it's illegal or anything.
You open a bag of potato chips and it looks
really full and it's almost all air, you know, and
the chips are like at the very bottom. So it's

(06:42):
not that it's unusual, but it didn't feel fulfilling to
me in any way, and I was wrestling horribly with this,
and I remembered back from my days at Harvard. I
met some friends who had found God. They of course
found different religious traditions, but they seem to be more
centered when things got difficult, and I wanted that. I

(07:03):
didn't know what that was, so I decided to start
exploring comparative world religion and philosophy, which, over the course
of a decade in a corporate career, eventually led me
to become a Christian at age thirty one. So I
ended up looking at my life differently and trying to
rebuild my world around following Jesus. As a thirty something

(07:27):
young working professional, I'm spending most of my waking hours
at work, and I'm passionate to bring my faith into
my work and stunned to discover that the vast majority
of Christians don't. And this is what led me into
the journey that I've had over the last couple decades
of figuring out for myself and then for others, what

(07:49):
it looks like to be is I like to say
faith activity for bringing our Sunday faith into our Monday work.
So my origin story is that my frustration with work
brought me to Christ. Now my faith in Christ is
leading me to bring faith into work.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Mmm. I love that, Chuck.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
There there's multiple threads that I'd like to pull on.
But Chuck, I don't know if you have an idea
for a book, or if you've if you have another
pending blog post. But toilet paper, Harvard and Jesus.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Domination, Yes, and I pulled all of that out. But
what I wanted to ask you, Chuck, is.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
We're not growing up in a Christian home and coming
to Christ later in your life, especially in the way
that you did. How does how has that helped you interact,
especially in the marketplace where there's all kinds of beliefs
or a lack of belief altogether. How does that allow

(09:04):
you to connect with people, to even go about sharing
Christ with people who are not.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
I have perhaps because I didn't grow up going to church.
What I'll call it an unorthodox way to think about
evangelism and discipleship. From my vantage point, when we go
to work, we are entering one of the most significant
mission fields that exists. We're looking at the world through

(09:35):
a Christian lens. I mean, it's not that you can't
get on a plane and go to Africa and become
a missionary or something like that. And I think it's
awesome that people do. But the truth is almost all
of us go to work on Monday morning, and whereas
the average in our country has an of about sixty
five people, the average working Christian has a sphere of

(09:57):
influence of three hundred people. Wow, Christian leaders at the
workplace know many more than that. But my point is
we are perfectly positioned to share our faith and live
our faith through our work every day. Now. I know
that there are some where the vantage point for evangelism

(10:18):
revolves around, you know, gospel tracts and stuff like that,
but I have found that for me, the most effective
way has been similar to what Jesus was recommending in ten.
That's where he's sent seventy disciples. They're going in teams
of two to towns and villages, and Jesus in that
scripture lays out a process. It's a four step process

(10:42):
for engaging a pre Christian society, and I think for
many of us at work, and what I could certainly
argue is a post Christian society that we could follow
these same four steps. You know. The first one is
simply to be a blessing to the people we encounter,
to be friendly, to give them a warm greeting, to
open a door for conversation. Now, not everybody's going to

(11:03):
want to spend any time with you, and Scripture says,
you know, dust off your sandals and move on if
they're not interested. But if they are, what does it
look like for us to spend time with them and
fellowship to build relationship. That's the second step. And then
as we're hanging out with people and we're finding out
what their felt needs are, you know, professionally and personally,

(11:24):
to minister to those felt needs. That's the third step.
You know, Scripture talks about it as healing the sick,
but you know, being sick has many different forms. It
isn't just physical illness. It's all kinds of things that
could be a miss or a rye. And then the
fourth step is when people come to us with gratitude
for the way that we've invested in them, and they're

(11:45):
asking us why we cared enough to do that they've
opened the door for us to share our faith testimony
and walk them into a Christ's centered life, in other words,
to proclaim Christ is the reason for our motivations. So
I find in Luke chapter ten that these steps of
bless fellowship, minister and proclaim are a very practical way

(12:09):
to build relationships. And then when we're invited into people's
lives to share our faith with them, and Jason and
go a step further before I finish out here, I
know that in the way that we typically think of
evangelism and discipleship through theology and local church lenses, we
would say that people are evangelized and then they come

(12:30):
to Christ, and then we disciple them. But another way
to look at it is that Jesus was discipling the
disciples for several years before they really understood who he was.
So I could make an unorthodox suggestion that we are
in position at work to disciple pre believers just as
much as we're in a position to disciple believers. And

(12:52):
in the marketplace, we call that coaching, we call that managing,
we call that training, developing. I think there are enormous
opportunities for us to be building into other people in
the workplace, and through those relationships, we're not only helping
them fulfill the purposes at work for which God created them,
but in some cases we're affording an opportunity to introduce

(13:15):
them to the creator that created good works and advance
for them to do where they're working.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Wow, Chuck, you get me even more excited.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
As I know we can't stay on three hours, but
we might need to have a multi part series and
dig into that process a little bit more deeply. But
I love that, Chuck, And you don't really hear a
lot of people talking about that perspective of well, you know,
you're spending time with them already in the marketplace. They're

(13:49):
already observing things like your character, your decision making, how
you handle adversity, and when you look back at Scripture,
the disciples got to observe that about Jesus. They got
to see his character, they got to understand his thought process,
they got to see him under adversity, they got to

(14:12):
see how he interacted with the local government and then
religious leaders. If you will, So, Chuck, you're you're, you're,
you're pulling on all the all the things coming back
to my mind. Wow, that's that's so fascinating, Chuck, as

(14:33):
you came to Christ in the way that you did,
and and God is gracing you to lead these efforts
in the marketplace, what would you say was a big
turning point for you? I know there's probably several, but
can you put your finger on maybe one or two
that either shaped or pivoted or reshaped a direction that

(14:59):
you were once going in.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
What a great question that is. I'll briefly mention three,
and then you know, we can follow up on any
one of them in any way that you'd like. You know,
I remember, as a new believer in my early thirties,
I was thinking about my life, you know, with Christ
at the center, like a pie chart, you know, where
the slices of the pie were my life for the

(15:26):
number of hours in my day, and of course work
was the biggest slice of the pie, right most of
our making hours at work. And I had no idea
what it would look like to bring my faith into
my work. I mean, I was a Christ follower, but
I didn't have a mentor. My local church wasn't talking
about faith at work. There wasn't a community of support

(15:49):
for faith in the working world. So I think a
first really formative experience for me was in the consulting
firm that I had launched. At this point. I told
myself back in the Jason, I want to launch a
christ centered consultancy and I wanted to figure out what
it looked like to be faith active at work through

(16:09):
a little consulting practice, and I learned through trial and
error what it looks like to do that. You have
to be a Scripture would say gentle as a dove
and wise as a serpent. I mean you have to
be able to navigate the currents of culture to figure
out what faith activity looks like in a way that
society can embrace or excess when it's at best faith neutral,

(16:33):
but often faith hostile. So that was a first really
formative experience for me. The second one was when I
started a small group for Christians to explore faith life
at work. I jokingly called it a life group for
work life. I couldn't find a local church that would

(16:56):
host it, so I did it on my own, and
what I learned in that was that there's an incredible
hunger that working Christians have to in practical ways explore
faith in their work, but they don't typically have community
they don't have role models, they don't have infrastructure. And
when I started up this group, I was stunned that

(17:18):
through word of mouth, with no intent for it to
grow or anything, it just started to organically. And that's
what you shared at the beginning of this podcast, that
we started with a dozen people in a small group
and entirely through word of mouth, we had over three
hundred people within six months, and today over twelve thousand
people ross Greater Cincinnati that are part of the city

(17:40):
wide network. So that was the second big light bulb
for me, was the hunger for a community of Christians
together in the working And then the third one I'll
share with you was a call I received in twenty
eleven from Jason Benedict, a professor at Reaching University. He

(18:01):
had spent, unbeknownst to me, several years studying workplace ministries
around the country, and he called me and said, Chuck,
are you aware that at Work on Purposes the largest
city wide workplace ministry I've ever encountered, to which my
response was, what is a city wide workplace ministry? I
had no clue what he meant by that, because I

(18:23):
was looking at our city as a city that has
about two million inhabitants, about a million people who are
working or looking for work in about three hundred and
fifty thousand who are self identified as working Christians. So
my vantage point was we've hardly scratched the surface on
reaching working Christians in our own city. But his vantage
point was that if you look across cities, what you

(18:46):
typically find is a bunch of workplace ministries that are
very siloed. They don't talk to each other or work
with each other, and their communities top out at fifty
or one hundred people each and so typically the workplace
ministry and working Christians and cities are as disconnected as
local churches and denominations. So the idea of a city

(19:07):
wide model that was a third big light bulb for me.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Mm wow, Chuck, the pieces are all coming together, the realization,
the hunger, and then kind of the data research that
someone else pointed out to you, and then here we go.
And so Chuck, we've been kind of leading up to

(19:32):
this point now with at Work on Purpose, and I
appreciate you sharing all three of those, Chuck, because that
that really leads us into the consultancy and everything you
do at Work on Purpose So coming off those three
turning points, Chuck, and what you're what you get to

(19:55):
do today, how does one even start? Like I can
envision the excitement and the passion that you have. For
some other people, though, Chuck, when they think city wide
and they hear terminology like that, they're like, man, how
does something like that even work? So just invite the

(20:19):
listener on the journey, Chuck, of what you get to
do day to day and how Jesus just works in that.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
That's a good question because when we step back to
think about a city or the scale of a city,
it feels rather overwhelming. I'm especially thinking of cities like
Atlanta where you live, which is a huge city. I mean,
the scale of that is just enormous. And I think
when it comes to our work life, the place that

(20:52):
we need to start is just right where God's planet
us and what it looks like for us simply to
be faithful in our immediate sphere of influence. And everybody's different,
but you know, we've all got a sphere of influence.
We've all got a set of stakeholders or constituents that
sort of revolve around us in relationships of one kind

(21:13):
or another. To the extent that we can simply shine
where we stand that we are people who behave differently
because we're trying to walk in that spirit of Micah
six' eight right to seek justice and to love mercy
and to walk humbly. And when people see qualities like that,

(21:36):
when they see in us the fruits of the spirit,
you know from Galatians, to be full of joy and
peace and patience and self control. And people don't know
why we are that way, but they would love to
be like that. And that's when, through our everyday work
we start to stand out. And it's not just who

(21:56):
we are, but it's also hopefully what we do that
the quality of our work is such that people want
to emulate it. In other words, if, as it says
in Coloutions, to do our work is under the Lord,
not to men, what that says to me is bring
God our best. And so if we're really bringing our

(22:17):
best effort, then it stands out for people and then
they want to find out how do we do that
job so well because they'd like to do it that
well themselves, or an employer who promotes us because they're
grateful for the quality of work that we care about
in their place of employment. I think that's the second piece.
The third piece, though, is what I believe is this

(22:41):
real opportunity and community. And it does say in Jeremiah
that we're to seek the peace and prosperity of the
cities where we live and of course where we work.
And to me, if you think at a city scale,
it can feel like way too big. But my point
to work working Christians is if we just think of

(23:02):
each other as a community, that we live in the
same city or town or village or whatever it happens
to be while we're also working in it. If we
can be in relationship with each other over time, we
can form an interconnected network, and just like the Apostles
did in the early Church, we can be a real

(23:22):
resource to that community in the ways that God's positioned
us to be in. It's fascinating me in the Book
of Acts, where you see the apostles almost as dispatchers.
Scripture describes how people of means brought resources to the
feet of the apostles, who then distributed them to people
as they had need, and there were no needy persons

(23:42):
among In other words, poverty was eliminated in that sphere
of influence not because the Apostles were rich, but because
they were resourceful. They created a network and they were
leveraging that network to spread resources so that we don't
so much have a resource to improve quality of life.

(24:05):
In many of the places where we live, we often
have a connection problem. And what would it look like
for Christians in the workplace to be better connected together?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Absolutely, man, Chuck, you got me thinking about a few things,
and you gave the example of I believe a lot
of existing marketplace ministries they kind of top out at,
you know, maybe about one hundred members or so. And
then you gave the denominational example, and it just and

(24:39):
especially when you look at the day and time we
live in Chuck and you think about the possible unity
that we could all have, but there's so many silos
and so Chuck. When you're going into a city, and
let's just take Cincinnati for example, you're doing these initiatives,

(25:02):
how do you go about I don't want to say
doing a survey, but how do you begin to identify
the needs of the city and then bring those people
together that are more like minded than what at times
they think that they are and that maybe their duplicating

(25:23):
efforts are going after the same things. What does it
look like to start to bring those people together and
then get them focused on Hey, remember what the Lord
reminded us of? And it seems like, you know, maybe
they're going out on the left, they're going on on
the right, and this one person in the center. What
would it look like if all three of us are

(25:43):
all of us banded together. And let's take a step
back and look at the city. What type of process
do you begin to employ for a city to have
citywide impact like that, Chuck.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
In many cases, some of the most pressing needs in
a city have already been articulated. You know, every year
a mayor and a city typically will give a state
of the City report and they'll say, this is how
the city's doing. And so, whether you're a Christian or not,
if you tune into that, you'll pick up where key
issues are. Affordable housing is currently a major issue in

(26:21):
cities across the country. Crime is an ongoing, intractable issue
in many cities right and some of them it's a
pre eminent one. But there are other issues too, like
childhood literacy, graduation rates, stuff like that. And my encouragement
would be to start simple and see what's already out

(26:44):
there that's been identified. The idea here isn't to try
to fix it all. And many of these big problems
have lots of root causes, so it's not like you
can just flip a switch and fix them. But often
if you can better understand and where the issues lie
in terms of what's underneath them, what's under the hood,

(27:06):
you can start to discover where you could make a
dentt And often it's through the workplace that we can
find creative avenues. So, for example, let's say that you
work in an organization and you find out that there's
a nearby elementary school that has a really serious problem

(27:27):
with getting third graders to reading literacy, and you know
that there's a big correlation between reading by third grade
and honestly being able to graduate from high school, much
less go on to college and to be able to
become a citizen who can make a living. And so
you approach your employer and say, I'm just wondering, is

(27:47):
there a way we could create an avenue where as employees,
we could be tutors or some of the students at
the school. If I, as an employee, took the initiative
to have a conversation and was able to open a
door for that, would you be open to something? It's
literally often things like that. So you're not changing education

(28:10):
and entire city, but you're finding a spot in the
city that is a place where you have access. And
it's really just being strategic with the access points that
we've got. But lots of times we have access points
in the workplace that just do not exist in traditional
context of local churches or even nonprofit organizations.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
M Wow, that's good, Chuck. What I hear you saying
is coming alongside an effort that either may already be
happening or a lot of times, Chuck, at least in
my opinion, I think people say, well, let's attack this
big thing, and like you said, it's like, well, what

(28:54):
about helping the children read? I mean, my goodness, and
I'm by no means am I reducing that or not
saying that's not a large issue in literacy. But Chuck,
you're just bringing to the forefront that sometimes may be
reevaluating and taking a step back and say, Okay, do

(29:17):
I have the resources to even go after this thing,
or is there a better open door to come through?
And do something. I had a mentor of mine tell
me this, Chuck, if you.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
Solve one problem, they'll call you.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Back and see about your expertise to solve another problem.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
And so absolutely, because yeah, I mean I would argue
Matthew twenty five, which says, you know, whatever you've done
for the least of these, you've done for me. In
the language of the workplace, that's essentially we're called to
solve problems.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I think an important part of this conversation I'm getting
out of this is you have the business community, churches, nonprofits,
all the different spheres or streams of influence as some
call them. But because every kind of sector is different,

(30:22):
but I think there's learnings that everybody can glean from
each other. You talked about local mayors, so that's a
local government right there. And I'm just imagining the possibilities, Chuck,
Like what happens when sons and daughters of Christ get together,
from government, from business, from the church, from nonprofits and

(30:45):
media and all these things, and what happens when everybody
comes together and unites and using the literacy example and
just takes that small snippet but instead of working in
a site, come together about it, and then cover it
in prayer. That's just what I'm envisioning as I hear

(31:07):
you say that, Chuck, And that's why I get so
excited about the work that you do.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Well. I get excited too as you speak to that.
And it's interesting because in many cases, there are even
national entities that are designed to help Christians integrate faith
with work and specific sectors of the workplace, but many
of the working Christians don't know they exist. For example,
the Christian Medical and Dental Association CMDA dot org has

(31:39):
discipleship programs and a bunch of other resources for people
that are in healthcare, but they're often working Christians in
healthcare in many cities who have no idea that there's
a national resource like that out there. Brings me back
to my earlier point that often I think the problem
we have isn't resourcing things, it's connecting dots.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Got it.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Wow, that's huge, connecting the dots, you know, Chuck, Before
we get ready to go, this is the folks, I
can tell you right now, Chuck will be back, just
like they do at the end of the Marvel movies
where they say such and such character will return. I
can tell you Chuck will return to the Fortified Life

(32:22):
podcast where we can't hold him forever before we go, Chuck,
you know we're kind of in the you know, late spring,
early summer. What are you excited about in twenty twenty five.
Is there anything upcoming or that you're looking forward to,
that you've really been praying about that you just can't

(32:43):
wait to happen.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Now, there's something very much on my heart in July.
So for years at Work on Purpose's Head and annual
gathering in our city where we bring together Christian workplace
leaders to talk about how we can have a bigger
impact for the Kingdom through the strategic launch pads of
our individual organizations and doing it together across the city

(33:08):
and all that. But there's been so much interest in
what it might look like to get better organized to
do this kind of work, where cities are almost like
launch pads for working Christians who, through their interconnections, could
be more effectively bringing Kingdom culture into organizations, more effectively

(33:28):
bringing Kingdom values into the way industries operate, and together
bringing Christians from the workplace to bear for some of
the city problems we talked about earlier. All that kind
of stuff. So this summer in July, we're not just
going to have that gathering for our own people that
are here in Cincinnati, but the day before, we're gathering

(33:49):
people from around the country and internationally who've heard about
this idea, and we're going to be gathering them in
Cincinnati to start sharing best practices and building relationships with
each other across cities. I'm really excited about that. I
think it's the early early formation of what will become
a global network.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
M wow, that's exciting, Chuck.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
I don't even know all the details, and just a
little bit you gave me, I'm excited for you and
with you.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
My goodness.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Well, Chuck, we've talked about a lot of different things
about city impact and transformation and how we can work
better together as the Body of Christ, and not to
underestimate the opportunity we have in the marketplace.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
So how do people.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Lean in and follow and connect with what you're doing, Chuck?
How can they contact you or the organization? How can
they become a part of what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Sure, the easy way is just to visit our website,
which is at work on purpose dot org. Also, I
would be glad to interact with anybody they've got questions
or ideas, and my email address is Chuck at symbol

(35:15):
at work on Purpose dot org.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
I love it, Chuck, Folks.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I laugh with Chuck offline often, and so as he
was saying that, I was like, that is I just
love the way Chuck words thinks. You heard it from
the man himself. You know how to get in touch
with on the website as well as his email, and
we'll have all of Chuck's information in the show notes
Jerichoforce dot com, slash podcast or Fortified Life Podcast dot com. Chuck,

(35:47):
this was exciting. I'm excited for you and I look
forward to future conversations that we're going to have because
I feel like we barely scratched the surface conversation today.
So Chuck, I just want to thank you for hanging
out with us here on the Fortified Life Podcast.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Pleasure, and I look forward to next.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Absolutely, Folks. Do you see that For those on our
YouTube audience, if you see a smile, you know you
just want to work with him, so well, Chuck, thank
you so much, and folks, that's all we have time
for in the show today. Make sure that you subscribe
to the show on your podcast platform of choice, the

(36:31):
Fortified Life. If this blesses you, and I believe that
it does, make sure you give us a positive review
because that helps people discover and find the show. More importantly,
what God is doing on and through this show and
how you're able to find people like Chuck. Many of
our guests are just powerful men and women of God

(36:52):
doing His work in the marketplace. And many of the
other sectors mention our YouTube audience. Are you tube channel
at the Fortified Life. You can watch these interviews in
video form. So whether you like listening in the car
ding a workout, or if you like to sit down

(37:14):
and have YouTube on the background. Either way, the Fortified
Life is here for you and you can catch this
interview with Chuck and myself on YouTube or your podcast
platform of choice. Now, folks, you know how we leave things.
Don't compartmentalize your faith and the marketplace, and from the
boardroom to the bathroom, God is with you. We'll see

(37:36):
you next time on the Fortified Life podcast.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Thank you for listening to the Fortified Life podcast.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
You can catch us live on Wednesdays at eight thirty
pm Eastern Time and on demand.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Check out Fortified lifepodcast dot com for more details. So
learn how to live out your faith in the marketplace.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Grab a copy of Jason Davis's book Fortifying Being Rooted
in God's Plan for work in Business, available on Amazon

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