The Fortified Life Podcast with Jason Davis - EP 190 | Mike Van Pelt | Restoring Biblical Masculinity with Mike Van Pelt (MVP) - THE FORTIFIED LIFE PODCAST

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome to the Fortified Life Podcast, where we learn how
to develop a dependency on Jesus in the marketplace. From
the boardroom to the bathroom. God is with you. Here's
our host, author, speaker, teacher, encourager, pre a chief coach,
and my husband. It's the man they call mister forty
five Jason Davis.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hey, what's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode
of the Fortified Life podcast where we are passionate about
developing a dependency on Jesus in the marketplace. I'm your host,
Jason Davis aka mister Fortifi. Every week we have the
opportunity to bring on authors, speakers, leaders and nonprofits CEOs,

(00:59):
all who are also passionate about putting God back in business.
And it's no different this week, Ladies and gentlemen. I'm
really excited because he is my fellow brother in Christ
and we'll talk about how we met over the years.
But our guest today is none other than Mike Van Pelt.

(01:20):
Mike's on a mission to restore Biblical masculinity, helping men
reclaim strength, purpose and leadership in every aspect of life.
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the forty five Life
Podcast Mike Van Pelt, Mike, what's going on? Man?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Jason? Thanks for having me on. You know, if people
haven't picked up on this, and I love to have
a lot of fun with this, so you know, I
like to think I have a great name. We all
think we have a great name. But now just say
answer me, Jason when I say this, Am I the
first MVP that you've had on the show?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
You know what? Like you?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
You would be?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
You would be the first.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
That's my initials. People, come on now, I'm just keep
it real.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes, he is the first MVP on the show, and
so that means we've got to give him the MVP treatment,
ladies and gentlemen. So I love that. Mike. That's a
good one. But it's great to have you on. There's
so much to unpack here, folks. I'm just preemptively telling
you we're probably gonna have to have Mike back a
couple of times, just knowing where things could go. But Mike,

(02:29):
as you people hear that, they look at your bio,
they hear like, WHOA restoring biblical masculinity one. That's a
big statement and of itself. But Mike, as a author speaker,
you have your own podcasts, and we'll get into that
a little bit later, but talk give the audience a
little bit of background. We know there's always a journey.

(02:52):
You just didn't wake up in twenty twenty five doing
what you're doing now. So give us highlights of your
professional experience.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah. Well, everything that is happening now where I find
myself now really has to do with what I tell people,
a faith journey and a business journey that ultimately collided.
You know, when my wife and I you know, we
now live here in Atlanta, Georgia. We've lived here for

(03:21):
four years, but we spent about fourteen years in the
upstate of South Carolina, and it was during that timeframe
our kids were really young and I was struggling career wise,
didn't just was not finding what I was passionate about.
And my wife said, Mike, you know, I got you.
We're in good shape here. Stay at home with the kids,

(03:43):
figure out what you want to do with your life.
And so I became a stay at home dad, and
I worked with a career person during that time and
to really understand what I was passionate about. I had
some ideas, I had some inklings, but you know, I
couldn't quite get the career to go in the direction
that I wanted to go, and ultimately what we decided

(04:05):
to do. I hadn't completed my college degree, and I
kept telling my kids how important education was, even though
they were really young. We never described anything as daycare.
We described it as going to school from the get go.
And so I went back and completed my undergraduate degree.
And then I began doing a lot of volunteer work,

(04:28):
both at my church and in some nonprofit organizations. And
I loved it, absolutely love being a part of the
nonprofit community. And I began and I was serving on
boards and all this stuff, and I began to realize
that as a leader in life and as somebody who
loved nonprofits, that was that looked like what God was

(04:49):
calling me into. And I began to look around and
I went, what do these executive directors some of them
have that I would need in order to get into
that role. And I thought, well, you've been going to college,
why don't you get your master's degree. So I completed
my master's degree, and Jason, it made everything worse because
now now people are like, so, you've been a stay

(05:11):
at home dad. You got your master's degree, You've been
doing all this volunteer work. I don't know what to
do with you. And I began to receive a lot
of nos. And the problem with that was I began
to internalize those nos, and I just began to lose
my identity. And you know, the challenge with that is,
as men, we're typically asked two questions when we meet somebody,

(05:35):
what's your name and what do you do? And I
didn't have a what do you do? I could get
out of my mouth? And it was really starting to
weigh on me, very very heavily. And I decided how
am I going to remedy this situation? And I decided
to get into some business consulting. And I met a

(05:55):
guy by the name of Paul Bailey, and Paul is
somebody that I write about in the book. We became
friends and we met at a networking group. Thought we
did start our own networking group, but it turned into
a men's small group. Now, I have been a Christian
all my life, it wasn't an option in my house.

(06:16):
We're getting we're getting ready, we're gonna get dressed, We're
going to church every Sunday. And so I've been a
Christian all my life and Paul and I met and
we started talking about the differences between giving and taking
that was going on in our networking group. But we decided, Okay,
we'll try this networking thing, but we started the men's
group instead, and the men's group we began to connect

(06:39):
with other people. And it was really six years ago,
probably at the week that we're recording this. Actually I
went to my first men's retreat. I had never been
to a retreat in my life, never, never, And there
were almost four hundred guys at this retreat in Gosham, Virginia,
and it was on a Saturday mor and the camp director,

(07:01):
Michael Thompson, with a great organization called Zoeweh, got up
in front of everybody and said, we're gonna play three
worship songs today and I want you to hear these
songs as God singing them to you. And I actually
played a song by Josh Grobin called You Were Love,
which is not really a worship song, but it's kind
of the makeup of the song. And I heard God

(07:25):
say to me, you're my beloved son. I want an
intimate relationship with you. And I really i'd never heard
that before I didn't know it. I didn't know that
an intimate relationship with Christ was even available, to be
honest with you, and I think that's what a lot
of Christians ultimately end up doing. We wander around in life,

(07:45):
we pray and ask for forgiveness, but we don't really
have a relationship with Christ. And I realize in that moment,
as I'm looking around the room trying to gather myself,
that where do these guys go if they potentially had
this happen to them, if God just spoke to them,

(08:07):
when they leave here, where are they gonna go? And
so I began thinking about that, and it took me
months to unpack Jason. And when I did begin to
finally unpack it, we're getting ready to roll into twenty twenty.
And by the end of February, right we're into COVID

(08:29):
and we're in a shutdown. We're in quote unquote isolation mode,
wear a mask mode. And this really threw me for
a loop for a while, because you know that in
a lot of our men's groups, we talk about don't
isolate yourself, don't wear a mask. And I understand the
terminology here is a little bit different. But the point

(08:51):
is it messed with me a little bit, right, all
of a sudden, I have to isolate, I can't be
around people. But I began to to really dig a
little deeper what does this mean? And I met a
guy that was in coaching, and I said, I've always this,
I want to help men. Can you help me help
men with this program? And we met and he helped

(09:17):
me get this started. He kickstarted the podcast. We began
the True Man Podcast almost two hundred episodes now, and
the results of the podcast was I began meeting people.
So hence the books done, some collaboration books that my book,
which we'll talk about here in a little bit. So

(09:38):
there's been this evolution of things that have come my way,
and I tell people there's only one way any of
that would have happened, and that was me and my
relationship with Christ changed. And over the last six years,
there's just been this evolution of things that have occurred

(10:01):
because of getting closer to God. But you know, the
game has never really changed for me. Over the last
six years, I saw, I know what I went through
as a man and my loss of identity and all
of those men coming around me to support me to
help me dig deeper as I help them dig deeper

(10:23):
in life, and we walked through life together. That was
the game changer. That was the game changer. I realized
I wasn't lone. I didn't need to isolate myself, and
then I needed strong wingmen around me to help me
support my walk through life. And so hence Trueman Life

(10:43):
Coaching was born with this idea of guys, you don't
have to do this on your own, and a lot
of guys try right, You've seen it to chase it.
So that's kind of how all of this came together
and why I do it. I just want to impact
the lives of men around me. Ultimately, the goal is
to impact the lives of a million men, because, as

(11:05):
you know, if we impact the lives of a million men,
we're going to impact their families. We impact families, we
impact the churches, we impact our communities, and we are
a better The kingdom is better as a result. So
to me, that's an ultimate goal.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
So good, Mike. You said you said many things there.
I wanted to come back to. One is because especially
in twenty twenty five, Mike, and we've got so much
going on and the culture, but you and your wife,
And I want to specify you and your wife, because
sometimes when we allow things outside of the household to
come in, speaking as a married man myself, but you

(11:44):
all collectively decided and made a decision, and you were
a stay at home dad. And while there are more
stay at home dads today, there was once probably a
time in the culture where that's kind of unheard of taboo.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
So what was it?

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I know your wife said, I got you, but just
break down that process for us, and what have you
gained as a result of making that decision with your wife?

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, Jason, that's a great question. This is something I
like to touch on when I get asked this question
because as men, a lot of us were raised to
be the breadwinner in the family. And that meant, you know,
I grew up in an era where we were still like, Mike,

(12:36):
go to college, spend your forty years, you get the
white picket fence, the dog, the two point, you know,
the two kids, and everything's kosher. Right. But the world
definitely has changed and it takes two people really in
most families these days to survive just because of the

(12:56):
just basic economics. Right.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, And so.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
We were in a situation where he financially that we
didn't need to worry about that. We were more concerned
that our kids got off to the best possible start
that they could and that they were taken care of.
And but the hard part for me, Jason, and it

(13:21):
was a struggle, was this mentality that as a man,
I'm supposed to be the one taking care of my family.
And you know, people would commonly ask me, you know,
why did you move here, you know whatever, and I
would say, well, my wife and her job. And sometimes
they would look at me and go, well, that's weird,
aren't it. Weren't you supposed to move here because of

(13:42):
your job or whatever? And it was my you know,
it was my wife was a breadwinner, My wife was
leading the way. My wife is in a senior level position.
I'm incredibly proud of her, incredibly proud of her. But
she's done great, She's had a fantastic career. But you know, I, truthfully,

(14:06):
I loved my children. I loved, you know, being there
for my children. But I struggled with what it meant
because there was a piece of me that was well,
I knew the kids were getting taken care of, my
mind wasn't always present in the way that it needed
to be, or now that I look at it and go, man,

(14:29):
I wish I would have been more present. While I
was there. My mind was like, Mike, you need to
get a job. Mike, you need to do this to
get X, Y and Z and and so nobody's fault.
I'm not pointing fingers in anybody, but our culture wants,
you know, separates men and women in different different ways, right,

(14:52):
And so my mentality was I needed to get out
and take care of business. And when I reflect back
on it, I look at the way my kids are
in college.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I have two kids. My son will graduate is a senior.
He will graduate next December and my daughter. My kids
are doing great, and so when I look at the
world around me, I go, I must have done something right.
But in the moment, sometimes there was guilt because my

(15:24):
mind was another place. I may have physically been in
the room with them, but my mind was going, man,
you got to go get a job, you got to
take care of your family and you you know. And
at times I went through extreme embarrassment and humiliation brought
on by myself because if somebody we would go to

(15:45):
these community events, and we were invited to a lot
of them, and people would always ask what I did.
And there was definitely a pivotal moment when my wife
and I were at an event and a very senior
level person in an organization ask me what I did,
because you know this, Jason, if you can carry a

(16:06):
conversation and you carry yourself in a different way and
how you look, people look at you and they think
one thing. And he asked me, so what do you do?
And I literally could not get anything out of my mouth.
My wife had to answer for me. And it was

(16:26):
really in that moment I was like, Wow, this is
a pretty serious problem. Wow, you know. And that was
prior to me, you know, going to this men's retreat,
and I realized that my identity was tied to a
career or other things. It wasn't It wasn't tied to

(16:49):
Christ in the way that it needed to be tied to.
And so, you know, I was I just felt humiliated
if I couldn't tell somebody, Oh, I'm this big entrepreneur,
Oh I'm a president of XYZ company, you know. And
uh So it was a great experience. I do not
regret staying home with my children. I do regret that

(17:14):
I was not always present in the way that I
needed to be for them because my mind was another place.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Like I appreciate you sharing that, man. That's that's some
transparency and vulnerability right there.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Well, I just want men to know there's no shame
in taking care of your kids. In fact, that should
be your number outside of taking care of your wife.
That should be your number one priority. And so you know,
if you find yourself in that situation or if it
comes up, take care of your kids. You will never
regret that. You will never regret that, and they should

(17:49):
be your number one priority in your life. And here's
the thing, as you're well aware, if you don't take
care of your family, somebody else will. And by that
somebody else, I mean social media or you know, all
this other stuff that's out there. I've often found myself
apologizing for my to my kids for the ear they

(18:10):
have to grow up in because they have so much
stuff coming at them and they don't have a filter
for it. They're not mature or they don't have the
wisdom to understand that not everything that shows up on
TikTok is real. Yeah, and so it's uh, it's okay.

(18:33):
If you're a stay at home dad, it's more than okay.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
So good, so good. I think that's that's probably like
there's a lot more to unpack there, but somebody listening
needed to hear that. Mike. I am positive, So thank
you for sharing. Not necessarily sometimes the guys would like
to put like pros and cons, but like you said,

(18:57):
if no one takes care of your family, somebody else,
some person, some entity, whatever you want to call it,
someone else will. And I think if that can be
kind of the theme there, no matter what husband and
wife decides in their household, just keeping that top of mind.

(19:19):
So I appreciate you really sharing, like, hey, yeah, I
did it. Mentally it was tough. Emotionally it was tough,
but then I had to realize I had to get
back to my identity as in Christ, and then the
way that I choose to run my household and talk

(19:41):
with my wife and my children, even the collaboration involved there,
because I know that was a collaborative decision. So there's
so many layers to that. That's why we need to
come back and do another Well.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Sure and listen, if you don't have that collaborative marriage.
You're going to struggle. The statistics show this out. Now.
I'm not saying that my wife and I have done
everything right. I mean, this year we will have been
married for twenty nine years. We've probably figured out a
way to live with each other point right. But I

(20:16):
think the one thing that you know my wife and
I've always done really well is we've made collaborative decisions
on everything that we've done. Now, I may have made
a couple of car purchases that weren't collaborative, but you know,
you got.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Sometimes it's always those darn cars, right.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I didn't get it right every time.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
It's too funny. It's always the car. It's too many
the manufacturers, man, they make stuff so good and heated
seats and the trim. Well, Mike, I think that serves
as a perfect transition because you gave us the background
on and how you started True Man Coaching. We'll talk

(21:05):
more about the podcast, but I think it perfectly sets
up your book. And as you were talking even just
about being a Say Home Dad, I was like, man,
it's funny how God has shaped Mike's life to bring
this title. It was just resonating with me. So folks,

(21:26):
Mike's book, True Man, True Ways, a Roadmap of Discovery
to Masculine Heart. So, Mike, we know about the coaching,
you got the podcast. We'll still expand on the podcast too,
but what made you want to write this book and
what do you want readers to take away the most?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I think that you know? True Man. So our men's
small group back in South Carolina, at one point we realized, hey,
we need a name for this thing. We got to
formalize this thing. And no offense to all the iron
sharpens iron groups out there, at least you have a group.
But we are like, we don't need to call ourselves,

(22:11):
you know. And I was going through scripture one day
and I you know, was reading and you know, it
was talking about Jesus being a true man, nofin it.
Just it just set so nice, you know. And we
started talking about it, and we started realizing that Jesus

(22:32):
is the is the ultimate true man. He's the ultimate
role model. Yeah now you know, we can't we're never
going to get there, but he's the ultimate role model.
And so we decided to name our group true Man.
And I'd love to tell you I'm some marketing genius,
but but that true man idea just seeped into everything.

(22:56):
It seeped into the name of the podcast, The True
Man Life co the book, and so you know, when
people pick up the book, some people are gonna, you know,
realize where the true man comes from, and some people,
you know, won't. But but I think more importantly, it
starts that conversation. And so I wanted to tell the

(23:18):
true man story how to where did true man come from?
And how can you become one? Because it was the
next question everybody would ask me, and so I wanted
to spell out. But first and most importantly, I don't
define what a true man is. And I tell everybody this,
you get to define what a true man is. And

(23:40):
I think that's important because when people get into coaching,
there are too many. One of the reasons I struggled
with the whole idea of calling myself a coach in
the first place was there are a lot of fix
it people out there. I'm not a fix a person,
and I don't think coaches are fix at people. What
we are problem so and I just called myself the

(24:02):
conductor of the orchestra. I'm just gonna ask you really
hard questions. And then You're gonna find what's deep inside
of you and pull it out, you know, through the
help of those questions, through the help of proper discernment
and prayer. And so really what I wanted to do
in the book was give guys the basic. Some of

(24:24):
the basic we called a road map for a couple
of different reasons. Jason So, Paul Bailey, and I, who
started our men's small group, we used to commonly, I
think this is an important aspect too, and I tell
the story in the book. We used to call each
other and we'd be like, hey, you want to go
grab a cup of coffee? And we didn't. When we

(24:45):
would say that, it didn't mean we showed up at
the local Starbucks. It meant we were taking We lived
in the upstate of North Carolina or South Carolina, and
so there was a beautiful little coffee shop perfectly named
Open Road Coffee up in North Carolina. And so when

(25:06):
we said, hey, you want to go grab a cup
of coffee, that meant we were going to hop in
the car and go on a road trip, take those
road trips up to North Carolina to grab a cup
of coffee. Not because we couldn't get one in our
own backyard. But because that meant we were going to
be in the car, we were going to be hanging out,
we were going to be doing life together. And it

(25:27):
put us in a situation where we just had downtime.
We were building in that margin for ourselves to do
lives together so that we could be better men. And
you know, my encouragement to everybody is that they find
a wingman like that and incorporate that into your life.
But I tell that story in the book. And then

(25:47):
you know, various things in the book, whether it's you know,
goal setting. I talk about goal setting a lot in
the book. I think goal setting is an important aspect
of life that sometimes we gloss over because it's been
talked about so much that we think it becomes a cliche.
And it's not a cliche. And so I talk about

(26:08):
personal help, I talk about financial empowerment. All of these
things are basic in nature, but they're all really important
components to having the life you want. And how I
measure all of this is I just don't write about
it in the book. You'll find that I check in

(26:29):
with scripture and go So, what does scripture have to
say about taking care of your temple your body. You know,
what does scripture say about money? Because I don't do anything.
And as a coach, as somebody who talks with people
about their purpose, their passions, their goals, all of that,

(26:52):
I don't do any of it without checking in with God.
And I don't know how you could personally, that's just me.
But so the book is really about helping people think
through those very basic things so that they can have
the life they want and more start thinking about their

(27:13):
heart rather than their head. And as guys, we don't
do a we think with our heads a lot. We
don't think with our hearts. And when you start thinking
with your heart, you're going that's where that intimacy is
built in with Christ. And so that's what we have

(27:33):
to get back to. And you know, when you start
thinking with your heart, you'll find yourself less angry, you'll
find yourself less frustrated, You'll find yourself with the ability
to slow down, which I'm still working on. I'm working
on it, working on it. But the book very simple

(27:58):
ingredients to get your masculine heart back, and it really
does start with you taking care of you so that
you can take care of your family.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Oh yeah, that's good inside out approach as I've heard, Yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Has to be. But here's the thing, you know, i'd
love to say I made it up. I mean, you've
heard it before statistically again and I'm going to go
back to this, and I mean, listen, it's no fun
to talk about divorce. And let's face it, sometimes relationships
are difficult. They're challenging. Two people come together from two
different walks of life and you try to do life together.

(28:36):
And I understand some sometimes that's not going to work out.
But here's the thing. Too often in relationships, what I
see happen is you think you're going to bounce to
somebody else and everything's going to be a okay. At
what point do you look in the mirror and go, hmm,

(28:57):
I've tried this two or three times and it's not
working out. Why is it always the other person's fault
or is it the other person's fault?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
You know, and so and listen, I have to go
look in the mirror a lot, a lot. And you know,
I'm not going to say it was easy at first,
because there are always things that you want to change.
But if you don't work on yourself, your relationships are

(29:28):
never going to be what everything that they can be. Yeah,
you know, and I guarantee you on the day you die,
and you're not going to be thinking about your work schedule,
be hoping and praying that you know your family's there,
a few close friends maybe, And that's really what it

(29:49):
comes down to. And so you know, we got to
be thinking, you know, what's important in life, what's really
on my heart? What are those relationships all about? And
so the book really is about helping guys get there.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
That's powerful. Mike, where can and for our YouTube audience, Mike,
if you can hold up hold up the book there
to our YouTube audience, that's what the cover beautiful cover.
By the way, Mike, true Man, True Ways. Where can
people go grab a copy of the book? Mike?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
So I could tell you on Amazon, but I will
I will tell you that my website. If you go
to Truemanlifecaching dot com and you go out to books,
it'll take you right out to the Amazon page. And
I've just found that's easier because who knows what that
UURL is it Amazon? But if you go to true

(30:43):
Man Books, we try to make it easy. It'll link
you right there. By the way, the cover of the book. See,
you get to have author discretion when you do these things.
We actually made a last minute change to the cover
of the book. Long story. But so she sent me
some pictures and I saw this picture came across my

(31:05):
desk and I just literally got emotional. Now you would
have to know this, but I've driven from South Carolina
to North Carolina. I don't even know how many times,
and when I saw this, I said, that's the drive.
That's the drive. It was the first thing I thought of,
So I had to have it on the cover. So

(31:25):
little secret, little secret there.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I love it. The folks when we have authors on,
we always get the inside scoop on what went into it. So, Mike,
I appreciate you sharing that. Now. I don't know if
Mike he may go on and share that on other places.
But you heard it. You heard it here on the phone.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, this is it. This is the first time.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
So I love it. Well, Mike, before we get ready
to go, and I know you just had the book launch,
but is there anything else that you're working on coming
in twenty twenty five that you're excited about?

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, a lot, some of it I can't disclose.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Sure, that's okay. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
The it's interesting. I've really learned to trust God in
these things. And so I know people think or may
think or would like me to tell them that I

(32:34):
have some grandiose plan about how we're going to continue
talking about this book. And because of some other business
businesses that I'm involved in, you know, I haven't had
the discretionary time, and we decided, hey, that now's the
time to roll out the book. We have everything ready,

(32:55):
let's go. And you know what I would like to
do with True Man, True Ways, And we did get
this up and going on the website. I want to
be able to get out and do more speaking and
talking and helping groups of guys, you know, do workshops.

(33:17):
That's really the ultimate plan is to start the conversation.
Let's start this masculine conversation. We live in a world
that sometimes wants to say men are bad, you know,
use these these crazy terms like toxic masculinity that have
been taken completely out of context. And are there some

(33:38):
bad men? Yeah, there's bad men. There's bad this, there's
bad that. There's always a small percentage of crazies out there. Right,
We're never going to change that. But as a whole,
I want to help start a good, strong conversation about

(34:00):
masculinity and the role that Christ plays in it and
the role that we play in the Kingdom. And so
that's really, you know, from the book standpoint, what I'm
going to be working towards is more speaking opportunities, more
engagements where we can get in front of groups. Were

(34:21):
working on doing some small groups. Maybe we'll do them online.
It seems to be an easier way to go in
this world that provides a little bit more flexibility. So
those are the things that I'm really working on right
now that we're building towards. The ultimate dream of True

(34:46):
Man Life Coaching is to be a multi media education
company for men. That's really what my ultimate dream would be.
I don't know how long that, you know, but I
want to be that. I want to be that resource.
I've been able to caretake a lot of information over

(35:08):
the last few years as a part of building this,
and it does me no good. I want it in
the hands of men that need it. And so you
know that that's kind of the ultimate direction I want
to go with with True Man Life Coaching.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
That's good, Mike, you got me excited, And I know
you're not at liberty to share everything, but you've got it.
You've got enough nuggets out there where folks. I'm probably
gonna have to call them up privately myself afterward, but
I know that when they've become public, it's gonna be
good stuff because God, God is in it for sure. Well, Mike,

(35:46):
as we close, I just wanted to say thank you
so much for taking time out to hang out with
us here on the Fortified Life podcast, Being Vulnerable, Transparent,
the book. I mean, my goodness, what a needed conversation
to be had here in twenty twenty five, and then

(36:08):
just really encouraging men out there and folks. So you
can hear Mike's hart as he's sharing. So, Mike, how
can the listeners keep up with what you're doing? Please
tell them about the True Man Podcast as well. But
what's the best way for people to continue the conversation?

Speaker 3 (36:31):
My website True Man Life Coaching. You go out there,
you can find the books, we put the podcast on
their True Man Podcast is how you can find the podcast.
And then we've assimilated all the other platforms, if you will,

(36:52):
not all of them, because as you know that there's
a bunch of them out there, but the biggies are
on my website, so you can get to the looks.
You can get on my calendar by going out to
my website. And I you know, I I do. I
do still entertain uh what on one coaching opportunities for
the right people, and time is tight these days, but

(37:18):
you know, I love helping people and I'm a big
believer in in coaching. I've had golf coaches, I've had
faith coaches, I had a podcast coach. But you know,
the podcast is changing and evolving, it has since the
very beginning. And you know, right now my podcast is
me doing solo episodes and being transparent and talking about

(37:43):
my life and things that are going on, not just
in my life, but I think things that I hear
going on in the community around me. And it's amazing
how many of my I'm in a men's group on Friday,
the Misfits, So if I don't say hi to the Misfits,
they're gonna get you know, they're gonna question to me
tomorrow morning. But you know, it's amazing how many topics

(38:05):
come out of a good old fashioned Bible study on
a Friday morning that all of a sudden land on
the podcast. So you know, I think the important part
of that is I don't do the podcast for me.
God gave me a gift in that, and you know,
I thank him all the time for the gift of
the podcast. But more importantly, I want to hear from

(38:27):
my listeners. I want to hear what they want to
hear because it allows me to go out and research
and here's something that we didn't have time to talk about.
Be curious. I get to be curious because I do
a podcast, and I think as men, you know, don't
be angry or upset at the world around you. If
there's something going on that you don't understand or maybe

(38:49):
you don't even embrace, just be curious and explore it.
You'll be surprised what you find out or the truth.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's them right there, Mike, I'd see, folks, I told
you that we're gonna have to have them come back
because because like, be curious, that's like a whole mentorship
lesson Mike just gave in the last sentence right there.
So Mike, thanks for tuning us up for I always
love how they do the Avengers movies. At the end,

(39:20):
they say so, and so we'll return. So preemptively, I'm
telling the audience Mike Van Pelt, the MVP there you
going first MVP on the show, will return for another
episode of the Fortified Life Podcast. Mike and I will
work that out offline. But Mike, I can't thank you enough.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
So, folks, True True Man Life Coaching dot com, the
True Man Podcast on your podcast platform of choice. We'll
have everything in the show notes, Fortified Lifepodcast dot com,
Jerichoforce dot com, slash pod Cast. Mike, thank you again

(40:02):
for hanging out with us, and uh and he'll be back.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I enjoyed it, Jason Man, it's fun to talk with you.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yes, well, folks, that's all we've got time for today.
We'll have all of Mike's information in the show notes
this episode blushing, I believe it. It certainly has. Make
sure that you like share, subscribe to the podcast and
your platform or choice. If you're a video viewer. If
you like video, subscribe to our YouTube channel, The Fortified

(40:33):
Life and you can actually see Mike and I reacting
to each other with us laughing and stuff. But thank
you so much for tuning in. And you know how
we leave things Ladies and gentlemen, don't compartmentalize your faith
in the marketplace and from the boardroom to the bathroom,

(40:53):
God is with you. We'll see you next time on
the Fortified Life podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Thank you for listening to the Fortified Life podcast. You
can catch us live on Wednesdays at eight thirty pm
Eastern Times and on demand. Check out fortifiedlifepodcast dot com
for more details. So learn how to live out your
faith in the marketplace. Grab a copy of Jason Davis's
book Fortify Being Rooted in God's Plan for work in Business,

(41:22):
Available on Amazon.

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