The Fortified Life Podcast with Jason Davis - EP 194 | Ricky Brown | author of The Five Hazardous Attitudes: Ways to Win the War Within - THE FORTIFIED LIFE PODCAST

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to the Fortified Life podcast, where we learn how
to develop a dependency on Jesus in the marketplace. From
the boardroom to the bathroom, God is with you. Here's
our host, author, speaker, teacher, encourager, piritue coach, and my husband.
It's the man they call mister forty five Jason Davis.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hey, what's going on everybody? Welcome back to the Fortified
Life podcast where we are passionate about developing a dependency
on Jesus in the marketplace. I'm your host, Jason Davis
aka mister Fortify. Every single week we have the opportunity
to bring on authors, speakers, CEOs, leaders of nonprofits who

(00:58):
are also passionate about putting God back in business. And
it's so different this week, ladies and gentlemen. I'm very
excited this week because someone that I have recently connected
with over the last few months. It's amazing how God
connects people. And we'll get into that a little bit later,
but I'm excited to have Ricky Brown pastor Ricky Brown

(01:22):
on the show today. Ricky is an author, speaker, dynamic
storyteller and he really knows how to harness the power
of story. He's the president and founder of Speak Life, Inc.
And he's married to his wife Amber. He serves on
various nonprofit boards, and he speaks to audiences all over

(01:42):
from corporate to congregations to universities. Ladies and gentlemen, please
welcome to the Fortified Life podcast. Ricky Brown. Ricky, what's
going on, sir?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Are you Jason? Let's go man. Excited to have a
good conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
This morning, absolutely, Ricky.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
One of my favorite things talking to you about is
your background. It's a very unique background. How you got
to what you're doing today. And like everybody, Ricky, we
know there's a story. You just didn't wake up in
twenty twenty five doing what you're doing to take us
down the path of what brought you to today.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, my earliest memories are just as my family. It's
a really strong family. Mom and dad heavily involved in ministry.
All my uncles are pastors and stuff, the ones on
both sides of the family. So I really tried to
run from this because I knew better. However, I could
not outrun God. And it's one of the really cool

(02:41):
memories I have is my dad really staying on me
about my writing and specifically my penmanship.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
He would really stay on me about my handwriting. And
you could write better, you can write neater. And it's
almost as if you knew that if you don't learn
how to write, you'll never learn how to speak, you know.
And here I am today an author and a speaker
and a preacher. And yeah, I could just see God's
hand early on as a child. And so I'm a

(03:11):
third generation Vetrian, both granddads of its, pants of it,
and I'm a vic. It was a huge part of
shaping me. I meet it that and I've been in
ministry about twenty two years. Yeah, I could just see
God's hand early on in shaping to what you know
is today, and so it did not happen very quickly
in all.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Ricky.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Number one, thank you for your service man, the men
and women that put their lives on the line for
people to have freedom. That's huge and it's not talked
about as much as it should be.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
So thank you very much for your service.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Thank you man. It was my privilege.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
And Riggy speaking of shaping what branch of the military,
because what we're doing, folks, is we're teeing up the
book a little bit. But what branch of the military.
How did that experience really start to give you some
of the content that you talk about today.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, so the United States Air Force the best one,
gotta aim high, but yeah, I think operation and during
freedom we need air based guitar operational order to watch
angelic air based Turkey really harsh conditions over one hundred
degrees twelve fourteen hour days. And what I notice is

(04:29):
that the same people can go through the same situation
and experience very different outcomes. The same people can be
in the same predicament and fine environment, under the same
issues and have a very different outlook and very different
outcome based on their attitude. And there's no secret that

(04:54):
activity forces is synonymous with survival, right, Yeah, we want
to go fight, win or whatever, but we want to survive.
I want to come home. And why is it that
some people survived certain scenarios that some don't when they
both were faced with the same situation. And often it's

(05:14):
due to their attitude. And so it's true, your attitude
does determine your altitude. I began to see how the
attitude that we have is really super important very early on,
because I was eighteen, No, I was seventeen when I
signed the papers, because my mom had just signed under

(05:35):
my name. But I was eighteen when I left, and
so I was eighteen already Operation Northern Watch in angel
Gear based Turkey. I got the opportunity to see early
on that different people can go through the same exact
situation but have very different alcohols based on the attitude.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
My goodness, Ricky Emo is amazed that when people have
the special gifts and talent, So as you're becoming aware
of these attitudes and even the principle that you just
talked about the same thing across various different situations, as

(06:16):
you became aware of that, what made you want to
go down the path of actually putting it in book form?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah? So I am former commercial pilot actual of private business.
There called a hawker, and the FAA requires us to
know and understand Bob specific hazardist attitudes that have been
found to be the culprit and eighty six percent of
aviation general aviation accidents that result in death. So attitudes

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crash airplanes. It's only logical that if an attitude can
crash an airplane, and attitude can crash a company, a career,
a business, and ministry or relationship. That was the primary thing.
I decided to write Box People to illustrate each of
the five president statitudes so that we can learn our
costly lessons from reading about the characters without having to
pay for that hartless and ourselves because following something only

(07:10):
people who sometimes crashed and so Furthermore, Jason I got
invited into this leadership cohort, and this was a self
awareness leadership cohort with seven other leaders and much of
what we talked about had to do with self awareness
and understanding where our skeletons are and here's where we

(07:30):
learned in this. This is worth more than a million
dollars in my opinion. One of the things they did
for us is they had guests instructors come in who
had experienced great success, but they had also had experienced
a great public fall. They would come into the room
and they would say to us, hey, you may know
who I am. I blew up my marriage and my ministry,

(07:53):
and I want to teach you how I did it right.
Mostly everything in church is this or teach you how
to succeed. Mostly everything in church is designed to teach
you how to succeed in the world. Is trying to
teach you how to tend X. But maybe we need
people who will teach us how to fail so we

(08:15):
don't make those certain mistakes. Again, that's what I learned.
Jesus saw that there were white bulbs, if you will,
going off above the heads of my cohort mates because
many of us were making some of those same mistakes
because we didn't know that ex khaleade to wyre khaleitia z.
And so those were the two primary thrusts or inspirations

(08:38):
behind the five hazardous attitudes.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Wow, Wow, that is that's huge.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I'm getting excited, Ricky, because folks, I've already read the book,
and I got to tell you, Ricky, I'm not just
saying this because I know you or because you me
being a big reader, and it's all.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Man, it's a good.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Book, folks, I'm telling you it's it's a powerful book.
Because we could talk about this in a second, Ricky.
When you're reading a book like this and you're looking
at attitudes like this, you can't help but take a
introspective look at yourself, almost like a mirror. And that's why, Ricky,

(09:21):
it's one of my favorite books that I've read here
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
But really just.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Just one of my favorite books period. Is it really
highlighted to your point what you're saying. There's so many
books that talk about your how to's and maybe even
why tos, but maybe taking a step back and say, hey,
let's go a little bit underneath the surface. And I
believe that's what these attitudes do, and so Ricky, let's

(09:48):
go through them. The first one is in vulnerability, it
won't happen to me, and noticing and becoming aware of
that attitude. What's wrong with invulnerability?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Oh man, what's wrong with the invulnerability is it didn't
happen to you? And in will with that attitude. I
was talking to a guy here in the North Fulton
County area and he tells an amazing story of how
he lost forty eight million dollars in a real estate
deal in one deal, and he did something that he

(10:26):
knew he should now do. He acted as though he
were invulnerable, okay, and he leveraged ninety percent of his
liquidity against one deal.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
And what happened was he was planning to be the
largest stakeholder owner in a high rise in Miami, and
he did all his due diligence, or so he thought.
And there were some important items left out of the
EPA repoard and this land had all kinds of issues

(11:00):
with it EPA wise, and he didn't get that, so
he lost that investment. And I asked him, I said, man,
why you know, you're a smart guy. You were smart
enough to even have what E many knows said, Why
would you leverage ninety percent of your liquidity against one
deal when that's a very basic investment. No, if you will.

(11:25):
And here's what he said, Jason. He says, I knew
I shouldn't have done it, but I did it anyway. Wow,
you know? And so why? And he said, because I
was consumed with what if? What if it works? I'm
going to be the largest stakeholder in this high rise
building in Miami, and it's going to catapult the rest

(11:48):
of my business onto the next level. I knew I
shouldn't have done it, but I did it anyway. He believed,
and he was in. And this is why this one
is so important. It's because Jack b Numblejack be quid
Jack jump over the candlestick the way the nursery rhyme goals.
If that he could jump over it and get as

(12:09):
close to it as he could without the life going out.
But it's going to go out one right, we are,
it's gonna go out one day. Dealing with the attitudes
of in vulnerability approach while the losses are loached. Would
be wise for all of us to.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Do Ricky with this hazardous attitude right out the gate.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
And I know you've dealt with this.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
And workshops and training you get the people that are
pushing back like Ricky. But wait, there's all this stuff
about carpaid DM and seize the day and you got
to take risk. So what are those conversations like with
those individuals and when you're doing training sessions, Because what's
the proper way to even look at risk when you've

(12:55):
got these different mentalities that people have and they some
people attribute their success too. I've always been forward or
aggressive or whatever it is, and you're telling kind of
the cautionary tale. So what is the balance there when
you have that type of person?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, So this question is the one I get every
single time we talk about in vulnerability. And here's what
I want you guys to know. It's all about balance, right,
So we cannot do anything without taking risk. If you
get out of the bit. You could tear your miniscus
or your a CEO getting out of the bid. You know, yeah,
if you know me, I fly airplanes. I'm lining up

(13:36):
with the runway, put the power all the way forward,
go one hundred and thirty miles an hour, and leave
the ground. That's risky. You cannot fly an airplane without
taking risk. You can't run a business without taking risks.
You can't get married without taking a risk. And you
think that this person is right one, but you know,
maybe there's some things they're hitting. You know what I'm saying,
But you should not take unnecessary or foolish risk. Okay,

(14:00):
if on the first date he has a bloody axe
in the back of his seat, then maybe no, maybe
not date this guy. You know what I'm saying. So
they are levels to the amount of risk that will take.
I'll give an example of this political statement. Elon Musk
has been successful hedging his bets against less than desirable outcomes,

(14:24):
but that same attitude costs him lose one hundred and
seventy billion dollars in one week. You see what I'm saying.
So you have to look in the clouse and get
your own self and check and realize am I taking
a necessary risks or risk for my business or life?

(14:44):
Or am I acting with the hazardous attitude of invulnerability?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's good wisdom there, Ricky. The second one, folks, the
books called the five Hazardous Attitudes Ways to win the
war within. We just talked about vulnerability. It won't happen
to me. The next one, Ricky, I can do it. Macho,
can you tell us about this one?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
This is your friend that's always at the party saying
hold my beard, watch this, and let's be honest. The
last thing you want to hear your pilots say is hey,
watch this, because now you're acting with an overinflated sense
of self ability. You want a pilot who is safe,

(15:30):
who is not given to proving themselves, who doesn't have
an attitude that says, oh, there are thunderstorms in the
facilita vicinity, there's lightning, there's wind, sheer and hill. But
if you can do it. No, that is not the
kind of pilot that you want. Not to be an
armchair investigator. But there's a terrible tragedy in India. It's

(15:54):
yesterday morning, and when you look at the information, so
bar there were several systems that were inoperable on the
airplane before they took off. Deveral systems. Okay, Now there's
something not to get too far in Luis. There's something
called em e L. It's the Minimum Equipment List. It

(16:16):
tells you what can be broken and what cannot be
broken for you to still operate a commercial flight and
take off. And if, and I say, if the captain
or the airline chose to operate that flight when items
on that list were inoperable, or items or you needed

(16:37):
items on that list that weren't operable, then what about
your attitude to say I can do it. Yeah, I
don't have this system, I don't have that, but I
can do this one. And so it happens all the time.
It happens to physicians. It happens to surgeons. Okay, not
to come out of practice is a third leading cause
of death, and the average claim is seven hundred and

(16:59):
fifty million. If they're results in depth, it's even higher.
So what happens when a surgeon says, you know what,
this isn't the approved standard of care. I don't have
the reps to do this. The trickle surgeon, I can
do it. You see what I'm saying. And so that hazard,
it's attitude of Moto is all about and overplated and

(17:19):
succeptibility that causes us to take unnecessary risks.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
My goodness, seven hundred and fifty, Ricky, that's right, geez,
my goodness, we.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Keep moving down here in folks.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I hope.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm telling you you have to get the book in
the way that Ricky, especially with this being the fables
with which he highlights these attitudes, it really gives you
food for thought. You can't one of my favorite of things, Ricky,
that a mentor told me years ago once, you can't unknow.
And that's what these added. That's what these these attitudes do.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
And that's what this book does.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
So the third one, Ricky, do something impulsivity. M So
here's the aviation example of this. When they put you
in the simulator if man, it's just like a real
jit is, except you never leave the ground and it
is real, real candy. They put you in, moves around,
throws your round. They are going to the guy with

(18:21):
computer controlling it. He's gonna throw in you twelve to
fourteen emergencies.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
And an hour and a half they're gonna blow up
your left tire, blow up your right tire. They're gonna
kill your engine. They're gonna put a bird through your windshield,
they're gonna have a deer run out on the wrong way.
They're gonna they give you all of these kind of emergencies,
and in a very short amount of time. People pilots
leave the simulator with their shirt soaking wet, because it

(18:49):
is just that it is very intense. And one of
the things that happens with impostivity is think they kill
your left engine. You need to secure that engine, make
sure it's not on fire, and officially started a fuel
and shut it down. And what happens is pirates. When

(19:10):
the simulator coach kills their left engine, the pilot will
accidentally shut down the right one. And so two minus
two equals what.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Zero.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
And that's due to impulsivity. That's due to acting before
you think.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
So.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
These are your friends that constantly have to apologize for
thinking to so and or responding to so and a
here a reply all to so. The antidote to this
one is just not so fast. Thing first, and that's
the key important thing, Jason. Every single one of these
hazardous attitudes as a corresponding antidote so that we don't
sulfer the consequence of having hazardous enterty.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
My goodness, Ricky.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Before I go to the next one, I realized I
had forgotten what I was trying to do in order.
But how can we not talk about anti authority that
don't tell me?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
The anti authority is that how it's happened to the
people that do not like folks telling them what to do. Unfortunately,
you can go on YouTube and listen to coctive voice
recordings of pilots arguing with the air traffic control about
the fact that they don't like their instructions they've been given. Okay,

(20:27):
the problem with that is is that control is literally
in their name. Their job is to control the traffic
in the air. They're in charge. So you know what
happens when a person has unresolved trauma in their life,
Because as I prepared to write this book, I interviewed
several psychologists and they have all verified that often hazardous

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attitudes are due to unresolved trauma. So when a person
has unresolved trauma in their rived, maybe their.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Parent, their authorities figure in their life did not exhibit
the best stewardship over their authority. When a person is
developing their beliefs around authority, then that person can carry
an anti authority attitude.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Through their life. And we send this over and over again.
Where anti authority is the hazard, it's attitude to people
that don't like being told what to do. But the
antidote to that is follow the rules that are usually right.
So here's the different. I have been given instructions by
an air traffic controller that would have cost me my

(21:36):
life if I've been the second guests. But that's one
out of ten thousand, you see what I'm saying, One
out of one hundred thousand. So yes, there is approper
time to verify and reverify. But if you challenge authority
at every turn, that's a hazardous attitude of authority.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Wow, my goodness, O folks. If it's getting warm, it's
because it is. The heat's getting turned up telling you
it's a cautionary tale. And this last one, Ricky and
I have to say, even when I read it, this
last one really causes you to like, this.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Can be a real eyebrow raizor. And that is a resignation.
What's the use?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, man, So this is the pas of this attitude
that causes us to prematurely end well would have otherwise
than pro boy. It causes us to quit to sow,
and there's a pass don't be weary and well during
for you. They'll reap your just reward indue season if

(22:39):
you do not frame that. Lets me know that often
right before reaping season, there's a fainting season. There's a
season where you feel like you're gonna think right. And
so even passionately Jinkins. Your pastor spoke several weeks ago
and he said that this hit me square in the forehead,
lack a ton of bricks. He said, read season of

(23:01):
great ruthfulness in my life were great blessing has been
preceded by our season of great brokenness. And that's something
that we don't have to want to hear. But that's
the dog going truth. You know. Resignation is the one
that causes us prematoriy, you know what would otherwise be successful,

(23:21):
and it causes us the tail. I can't make a difference.
I've done all that I can, and so the antidote
to resignation is I can make a difference.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's huge, Ricky, and I think it's fitting that the
book would end with that one being the final one.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Because all of them, in their own right.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Each attitude cause you to take a step back to resignation. Really,
it's one thing to do something prematurely from an aggressive standpoint,
but ending something because you did it too soon, that's
going to the other end of the spectrum. And so
I appreciated how you highlighted that attitude. Ricky talked for

(24:02):
a second, because what's unique is do you have these
attitudes in the aviation background? These you talked about the principle, Hey,
the supplies across the board. Talk about some of the
work from a training consulting perspective, because folks, you'd be
surprised some of the industries that Ricky works with flight schools,
but talk about what's the response in the dialogue, like

(24:25):
when you're unpacking these with different organizations.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, something really really cool that happened was right after
the book released, the VP of HR at a major
film studio here in Atlanta read the book and she said,
I really need you to come into a leadership workshop seminar,
and so I did that and the next day they
call me back and I said, hey, we want you

(24:50):
hear the next six marks, which was amazing. It's a
nine hundred million dollar company, not the may Drop, but
we're made the owner of famous is dress up in
a week like a grandmother. I leave at that. But
so it was awesome to be on that thirty three
hundred and thirty eight the campus challenging the hearts and
minds of their mile level managers and leaders. And as

(25:11):
you can imagine, there's a lot of attitude on the movie.
Then also a medical ceo. Again, that's how I knew
that spat. It's because she called me up. She says, hey, listen,
these five hasard s attitudes lead to medical malpractice. This
is why. It's because of the anti authority in vulnerability, impothidity,
nacho resignation. Beyond that, church leaders and organizations. Because originally,

(25:35):
remember that was a cold word of pastors that I
was invited to. These are pastors that are coming in
and saying, hey, listen, you may know me. I blew
on my marriage and indisture. I want to teach you
how I did it, To be honest with you. Jay said,
it's great to speak to corporate America. It's great to
work with various industries, especially safety driven industries because these

(25:56):
are originally safety principles to prevent pilots from acre playing.
So if you're in the industry that have freaking issues
or OSHA and you want to prevent fight t issue,
this was exactly for the industry. The number one message
that I get, the number one email that I get,
it's from pastors. Wow, man, this book is speaking in

(26:18):
my heart. I really need to change and I want
you to pray that I would implement the principles in
my life and that I will stick with ess. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Wow, that is huge, Ricky. The folks, if you're listening,
I told you it's a powerful book that Ricky is authored.
And as Ricky stated, if you're in a safe public
safety industry, Pastors corporations a mentor of mindset it this way.
Principles transcend circumstance and these attitudes left unchecked, I think

(26:53):
the results speak for themselves.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Ricky. Where can people go out and get a.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Copy of the book, The Five Hazardous Attitudes Ways to
Win the War Within Where can they go get a
copy of it?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Amazon, Audible and everywhere books are sold. But I'm gonna
encourage you to go to my website at there you're
can sign up for my email list Ricky Brown dot
org dot org. It is r I C. K Y
browncommonspell dot org. And there it'll take you to the
book and it'll take you to everything you need at
to stay in contact with the work that we're doing.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Love it, Love it, Ricky. Before we go, Ricky, we're
coming up midsummer, and what are you excited about or
what are you working on upcoming?

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Kind of the back end of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
So not to be dramatic, but there is something hot
off the pressing the works that I cannot fully share
right now. But that's maybe another incentive to go to
all things Ricky be on Instagram or or just go
to Ricky Brown dot org. I actually ran this past
passion Lee Jakins and Yes, and he was over them

(28:01):
little and excited about what I shared with him. He's
just been a trusted adviser and a brother and a friend.
And yeah, this fall, there may be a huge announcement
coming out of the Brown family for what is next
ministry wise. That being said, God is just doing some

(28:22):
amazing things and giving us a great clarity on what's next. Yep,
stay tuned. The destines you have to call.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Very cool Ricky.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Folks man, this has been one of my favorite I
love all my guests.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
I just love Ricky's heart and I love what God
is doing in his life.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
And I love the book too, Ricky, just especially in
these days with everything going on, it's needed. So, folks,
we'll have everything in the show notes so you'll know
where to get the book. We'll have Ricky's website, a
social media Any parting words you want to leave the
listeners with before we leave, Ricky.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, I would say whether you are a person that
is concerned as to whether or not you might be
exhibiting hazard or servitudes, or you're leading people and you
want to make sure that they don't self sabotage and
have a very short lived success. It's a great framework
for you. It's a book, it's a study guide, and

(29:24):
also I have an online assessment tool, and we delivered
this content to through powerful and transformational keynotes as well
as seminars and workshops. And if you're even thinking about
whether or not this content could be right for your organization,
then if you go to Ricky Brown I or you
can schedule and book a call with me. No charge.

(29:44):
We can just sit and talk and see what your
goals are and how we might help you reach.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
So good folks, you heard it from the man himself.
You know how to reach out to him and we'll
have his infhone in the show notes. Ricky just want
to say thank you so much. We're hanging out with
us here on the Fortified Life Thoroughly enjoyed it and
probably going to have to do a part too sometime
in the future.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Absolutely, mom joy.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Folks, you know how we leave things here on the
Fortified Life Podcast. Don't compartmentalize your faith in the marketplace,
and remember, from the boardroom to the bathroom, God is
with you. We'll see you next time on the Fortified
Life Podcast.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
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The Fortified Life Podcast with Jason Davis - EP 194 | Ricky Brown | author of The Five Hazardous Attitudes: Ways to Win the War Within

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}The Fortified Life Podcast with Jason Davis - EP 194 | Ricky Brown | author of The Five Hazardous Attitudes: Ways to Win the War Within