S6E23-Sheldon Snyder

Sheldon Snyder and Fred Hughes talk abour the value of a Biblical World View and how important it is as fathers/ employers/ citizens.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
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to get quickly to my guests tonight, and I just
I'm excited about having uh, having this guy with me.
I've asked him, uh kind of not very long ago,
and all of a sudden he found himself on my
show right right away. So that was good. I was

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I was excited about it. And Sheldon Snyder and we're
just hello, Sheldon, good to see, welcome to the show.
We're just I'm looking forward to talking about Jesus with
you and just get so it's been a bit of fun.
Gonna be fun. And uh, you know, that's one of
the things that I love to do, is bring business

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men on and people that are in the you know,
in that rim. You know, I have a I have
preachers and teachers every once in a while on here.
But uh, but I love to have just regular businessman. Sure.
Now you know I've got a guy abstride for Steve Beatty,
and I mean, you know, do us and his Steve
Booty and we like to talk about seed time and

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harvest you know, a farmer and sell seed.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Absolutely, yeah, I know Steve.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
He's a good guy. Sure.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Well I don't know about that, but he spends on
how well you know him? Yeah, I know he's a
good man, good good man. Known him for years.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
I just saw him over at I guess we're a
Canadian together, uh for a beef conference here last month.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, he's a good guy. He's a we're
old travel mates. We've we've been on We've been lots
of places out in the world together on mission trips.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh cool. Yeah, Absolutely, he's he's.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
A he's a gospel gorilla.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And I love it, love it you absolutely, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
So anyway, tell us what I want to do is
I want to just kind of kick it off and
hand it to you for just a little while, and
just I always want to tell us about who Sheldon is, okay,
and what you're up to and kind of where where
in the world. Uh, you know where you came from
and where you're at, now what you're up to?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Okay, well that's won't take you long. I don't know
how long this show is going to be, but I'll
be short and sweet.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I guess I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I know we.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
So I don't know where to start.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I've grew up in Kansas, and I guess I got
to Texas as fast as I could. I've got a
friend of mine I saw the other day from Kansas
lives here in Texas, and I say, we come down
here to straighten all the Texans out.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
That's our job. We anyway, let.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Me get I'm gonna get your switched to the right guy.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Here we go, There we go.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I finally got my buttons all pushed the right way.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
So, Uh, let's see.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Lived in dal Hart, moved to Dalhart in ninety six
or seven, and then UH and then moved here to
Ambillo about four years ago.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Read and I've run into each other. We talked about
just a minute.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Ago about running into each other through walk to Amais
and then through UH, through grace, through faith up in
dow Dumas and then UH and then I've been involved
with another t fact church New Life Fellowship over in
Dalhart now and then we all come back around after
COVID we meet up again here at Messiah's house. So

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that's kind of been an interesting Yeah. Just keep on
bouncing into each other, right, I guess we're on the
right track, or we're on the same track and all
it's the right track.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Hopefully it's the right track.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
So yeah, just uh, we've got a company here in
town up a real estate brokerage business called Cliffland Brokers.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
We have.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Now we have uh, let's see, we got offices in
Stratford and Perryton and Pampa and Littlefield and and uh
and then over Clovis. I'm sure I'm missing somebody. And
then my office and is still in Dalhart. But uh,
there's eighteen brokers and agents in our in our group

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there and uh started uh business with a partner mine,
George Cliff started this out of a purchased a brokerage
business back in I think you started here in ninety six.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
George passed away a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Five of us bought the business and have continued to
keep the Cliffland Brokers going on now since I don't
know twenty five, twenty six, twenty eight years.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Now, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
So we just focus on farm and ranch real estate.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
And so we go up into the Oklahoma Panhandle, all
of the Panhandle of Texas, uh, eastern northeastern New Mexico,
a little bit of southeastern Colorado.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, you also peeled around with cattle just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
So then we Yeah, that's kind of a side gig.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I guess now, you know, just recently started purchasing some
cows and mama cow's and got off into that business,
learned how that how to make that work. Yeah, it's
been good. The market's been really good. And we sold
a farm out north of dal Heart about five years ago,

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I believe it was, and and uh out of got
out of the road crop farming, and over in the
cattle business. And it seems like good timing looking hindsight,
and say the Lord bless me.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
And the jumping uh into.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Another horse, a fresh horse, I guess, and taking off
with this cattle market and this cattle business is just
insane right now. And I was talking to a fello
at lunch today, I'm like, you know, the uh we
got to talk about He mentioned about the tariffs, you know,
And I said, well, when the word tariff started hitting
our vocabulary again, uh, back at the first of the year,

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I said, well, you know, everybody's asking me what's going
to happen here. I said, well, there's going to be
winners and losers, And it looks to me like so
far the winners are going to be the cattle business
and the losers are going to be the road crop guys.
And so profitability of doing this, uh farming right now,
whether it's a cotton or corn or wheat, it's just

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not looking you know, the profitability right there is not
good right now. So anyway, it all comes through cycles
and turns around.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah. You know, I was talking to somebody not too
long ago about how how farming and you know, and
wrenching they both really changed over the years, you know,
and especially farming, it's just gotten so big. And you know,
where they used to be in a given county, they
used to be, you know, one hundred and one hundred

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to two hundred farmers, yep, and they all had smaller
acreages did It'd be one or two really big farmers
or not not too many. And nowadays, man, I mean
there's not there's not.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Eighteen or yeah, you know, i'd say about a third
big exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I'd say in the last forty years.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
It's probably from forty years ago to today, there's probably
a third of the farmers are farming the same land.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yes, and that's it's that trends still continuing. Yeah, economies still.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
I really counted a privilege to have grown up in
that agricultural environment of a small town. And and uh
and really, you know, I don't I think kids today
they get they sit around and play a lot of videos,
and they have you know, maybe a lawn mower in
business or something. There's just not that many opportunities for

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them where where a lot we gained a lot of
common sense and and did a lot of things that
that just developed, you know, not only strength, but wisdom.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Character, character and work ethic.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, work ethic. And you had some skin in the game,
you know, back then, and it and it and it
made a whole lot of difference, you know. And I
just hate to see that blow away because I really
feel like we're kind of short changing our kids a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
On the counter that there's a joke we're talking about
the word the definition of chores, you know, and have
these guys kids, and I've raised them here in town
and in today's you know world, and you know, their
definition of chores is hauling the maybe hauling the trash
out to the dumpster or whatever, you know. And when

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we were growing up, the chores were what all had
to get done before you got to eat breakfast every day.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
You know, we lived thirteen miles out in the country,
so we had really early to catch the bus and
we had a bunch of chores that we had to
get done.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
First, right right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, a little different, a little different.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
I wouldn't trade my small town growing up for nothing,
you know, and seeing I just feel, you know, compared
to what the way I'm raising my children today. You know,
I just think of the opportunities I had, you know,
learning how to drive when you're twelve, thirteen years old
and run around. And I'm sure it's a lot safer

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to be driving today than it was back then. But
I don't know, I don't know, everything goes.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
A lot faster to lost.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Everybody had their had had their driver's license by fourteen.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah, twelve, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Something some got started, you know, just as early as
ten or twelve. Sure, and we all already knew how
to drive because we've been driving around out there on
farm for a long exactly with that thing so exactly.
It's interesting. It is definitely different than what it was
back then. But that that's good. Like you said, you
hit on a big word, and that's character developmental wise.

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Developing character comes with some responsibilities and how to handle those,
and how to handle money, and really and truly, there's
just it's hard for a kid to get those kind
of that kind of training nowadays.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Right, Yes, And you almost have to artificially.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
To teach them specifically, you know, you've really got to
focus in on it.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, And so I find myself creating opportunities,
creating I don't know, artificially might be wrong word for it,
but just creating opportunities for my kids to experience some
of that.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, And it's important, it really is. But you know,
we all had a biblical base, and we had something
back then it's called common sense. That means it was
it was things that we all knew and we all
knew were true.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, yeah, And there's a big.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Difference between that and now.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Well, there's certainly a lot more worldly exposure than we
had back then. Our little worlds were pretty small, you know,
county wide maybe you know, it is a special treat
to even get to drive, you know, take a trip
outside the county, right, A lot of a lot of
my friends and family, didn't, you know, or whatever. And
so your world gets bigger, you become more sophisticated and whatnot.

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Get off to college and go on. Today, you know,
they're just and so by going off to college, you
get exposed to the world. Right, And so when we
maybe our parents had pretty good captive audience because we
didn't really have a lot of other exposure outside of
our close you know, friends or whatever. And so today,
you know, of course, are my children are exposed to

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you know, the world wide Web, which is really worldly
exposure to lots of things that and the speed and
the information that they have is phenomenal and you know,
and it can be phenomenal good and it can be
phenomenally bad, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
And so.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Our children have so much more exposure to other things
that are influencing them than what I believe.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I had when I was a child.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I believe that, yeah, you know, I want to just
talk about you know, Christian worldview, and and what how
important is that in not only in raising kids, but
in bringing up good employees and working with partners and
people that that you have relationship with.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Sure, well, I'd like to think it's the basis of
how I conduct myself day in and day out, you know.
And so just lots of good Biblical principles that uh,
you know, starting with do unto others as you'd like
them to do unto you, you know, and they're golden rule, right,
and so having uh, you know, I deal with clients,

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I deal with employees, I deal with Uh, I'm an.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Employee to my clients.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
And so you have different lots of different relationships, uh,
and that you know, you're the Irvan or you're the master,
you know, in different aspects. I deal with it every day.
And so understanding how to treat people right and righteously
and uh and uh understanding how uh different things that

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you've learned. Like I said, some of us is just
like core in your body, you know, in your life,
because it's just the way you're raised.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
They have that common sense background that that that tells
us this is right, this is wrong, and then and
today they just don't have that, because now it's just
whatever you google, and google changes every two weeks, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
So I say, I always say, I grew up with
a strong guilt conscience if you will, sin conscience maybe something.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
And and and I think most Christians do they they
we we we get we get very aware of sin.
You have to kind of have to have that to
be able to get born again. Yeah, you need to know.
You got to say you need a savior, right, So
it's necessary for that for you to have a sin
consciousness for a little while. But once you get born again,

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well then then we should be able to start transforming
into somebody that that is more God conscious than sin contr.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Right, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
And so the freedom that comes from that is what
I uh, you know, I want to you know, I
just constantly say, you know that freedom, freedom from that
sin is where you want.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
It to operate, absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
And for you know a lot of people look at
freedom as you know, well then I can go do
whatever I want to.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
No, right, right, right, right, yeah, yeah, freedom from the
shackles of us as when you talk about yourself as
your old man, you know, and living in your new
man and saying listen, I'm not that old man who
you know, who I was, you know, and and you know,
having a sin conscious didn't doesn't mean that I didn't

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do wrong things, you know what I'm saying. And so
you you uh, finally become you know, get to the
point where you say, listen, I you know, I'm not
going to be that old man anymore, and I'm going
to move on and not look at my review mirror
but look forward and.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Say and.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Rejoice and being able to wake up tomorrow morning and
have a fresh start every day, right absolutely, because that's uh,
that's a sweet spot, you know. And trying to convey
that to our children, you know, is trying to you know,
be involved with with our kids and and hopefully planting
those seeds with them, because again, like I said, there's

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lots of the competition to be a parent in this world.
And as far as leading, you're you're instuarding your children, Yes,
you've got so much more competition than we used to
have when we're.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
The world did. There is lots of competition, and you
know it it is a it's a battle, and I
think that's one of the reasons we need to, you know,
work on developing that that strong, you know, worldview in
our kids and in our employees, and a biblical worldview,
you know, learn how to look at things from from

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a Christian aspect, and even really, you know, if they're
not Christian, even if they're not born again, they still
should recognize that, you know, that there's some things that
are true and there's some things that aren't. You know.
The word says that the enemy comes to steal, kill,
and destroy, and so that's his plan for for anybody's life.

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And you know, I always always got the steal, you know,
kind of figure that one out. Kill. Yeah, I had
trouble that last one though. What is just I mean,
if you're dead or I mean if he kills you,
wants it last one in there for you? You know. But
I looked that up in the group Greek one time,

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and it's said what it means is it means that
he wants to take you out of the picture completely,
as though you never exist interesting nor anything that you
did or influenced raise all of that. Were you talking
about deep?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
That's deep, you know exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
And so if we only can get a hold of
the fact of how how what a real, what an
enemy we have? What he intends for then it really
does change our heart toward wanting to do operating the
righteousness of God.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Well, I think, you know in the number one place
where I see in today's culture, and I've experienced myself
through divorce, is just that that the enemy is after families,
throwing families, separating generations from each other, and.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Trying to blow up that nucleus family.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Because again going back to comparing our childhood to today,
you know, I've heard the numbers even sighed sixty percent
divorce right now in marriages.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
And you know, when I.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Was a kid, I can you know, I can't even
tell you if I can't count on one hand the
people that I knew they were divorced.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I mean, it was just didn't exist.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I can remember one kid, you know, coming into my
class that had been adopted, had a new father and mother,
and it was kind of a confusing thing when you're
in elementary school for us.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
But today it's just common.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
You know, I go deliver a snack pack for kids
to to elementary schools around here, and you just run
into it and you talk to those teachers and they
just deal with it all the time. And so again
that setting yourself up and to succeed in a marriage,
you know, is having a God centered marriage and so

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hopefully you can uh, you know, be led to a
spouse that is in one accord with you and that
you can raise, you know, because that's where healthy killed
kids come from, being raised by a home with a
mother and a father and uh, they're on the same
page what's going on. So uh again, I just like

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to speak to that a little bit because that's what
we are dealing with.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, go ahead and talk about that little business.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
That's that's all I got to say about that.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
That's about the force gump.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
But no, that's good.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
You know, probably the next thing I would you know,
when you talked about fundamental Christian stuff, it's just talking
about stewardship, you know, And that stewardship's a uh concept
that I really embrace and try to uh.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
That I'm motivated to and what motivates.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Me to get up every day and try to do
the best job I can with the resources that I have,
the stuff that's been entrusted into me, and and and
uh and again, stewardship kind of comes from it comes
from that kind of an background, you know, And so
a lot of a lot of big principles are from agriculture,

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because you know, it was a very whatever the world,
there's agrarian uh uh world that Jesus grew up in
and everybody was growing something that seems like. But you know,
being a good steward as something I really love to
talk about a lot of fact. I think I talked

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on that other deal the other day about it, but
it's just on my heart right now to say, listen,
you know it's important. It's one of the most fundamental
Christian things that we can do, is the fact that
whether we're talking about our children, whether we're talking about money,
whether we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Our our time, are.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
We're talking about the resources that we're given, maybe inherited,
maybe built, whatever it is, and and and then and
then also again back to teaching our children, is creating
a legacy, creating you know, showing showing folks, your children,

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whoever people around you. But how important it is to
be a good steward of what you have, whether you
have a little or a lot, you know, it's important.
And in my world, I've seen people with a little
be fantastic stewards. And I've seen people with a lot
be very poor stewards, you know, and so and it
doesn't you know, it doesn't Just because you have a

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lot of money doesn't necessarily mean you're a good steward
of that money.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
You know, depending on it.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Could have come to you in a quick way, it
could have come to youth from inheritance or whatever. It's
still imperative that you become a good steward of that.
And and and and the basis of stewardship is understanding
that it's all his, It's all God's anyway, right, we're
here for a for a moment and uh, we've been

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entrusted with these things, and it's all his. If you
remember that, you know, that's a uh it'll avoid you
from falling into the trap of greedy. Mean, it'll avoid
you falling into trap of of uh the idulatry of it.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
I guess that that what you call it, you know,
and say, I maybe that's the wrong.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Word, but I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's exactly making it an.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Either money or income or you know, or fame or fortune, Yes,
exactly all those things. And and that that's why we
have to teach our children and our employees about stewardship.
Because you know, if we're expecting them to steward what
we put them in charge of it, then that's going

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to teach them how to do that in their own
life eventually.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
So it's going to be a benefit from them. And
really as a leader, as a father, we owe it
to those people to talk up a lot about steward
share and.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Why that's right.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
We got the other day in our small group, we
got to talking about authority and power and then and
then I kind of took it off in a little
different direction. But in my business, you know, I talk
about authority and responsibility and getting those two things lined
up because a lot of times we end up with
those things.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Being out of scene, right, And.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
So you have somebody who might have a lot of responsibility,
but he doesn't have the authority.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
To do his job.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
We might have somebody who has a lot of authority,
but it doesn't have capable of having the responsibility of
doing what he's been entrusted to have an authority over.
And so the sweet spot is getting your authority and
responsibility lined up together. And so that's where you know,
whether I'm talking with about employees or subcontracts, contractors, that

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I have working for us or whatever you want to say, Hey,
here's here's what I'm giving you, authorizing you to do
right whatever in the constricts of that job. But also
here's I'm giving you, uh, the responsibility. I'm giving you
the authority also to do to carry out that responsibility

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I've given you.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I'm empowering you to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yes, yes, And so you know that's a privilege. I
have to rely on some people. And and and.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
You've got to have good discernment of who can handle
it and who can handle it, you know, and and
and I see and again, uh, you know, I hate
to bag on this generation. You know, I sound like
my dad or my granddad, right, but you know, you
see those young guys that are having a hard time
jumping in there and saying I want to take on

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this responsibility. So that's the thing that I really want to,
you know, try to get out, get the word out
to folks to contemplate and consider and understand that that's
going to make a better world for us, whether it's
within our church, within our family, within our community.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Right, you know. And I think a lot of the employers,
if they would teach their employees the value of really
stewardship that they would they would make great gains in
any here because so many, so many employees. They they say, well,

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if I, if I come up here and figure out
some way to goof of long enough to get a paycheck,
you know, fill in the hours, and then I expect
a paycheck. And then you know a lot of younger people,
especially well they think, well, to be the boss of
this thing, you know, and I'll start on the top
instead of yeah, you know, and a lot of those

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those those things kind of are are learned and uh
and if if but if you're not, if you don't
really have a way of imparting an understanding of why,
then that's what they expect. They just expect to you know,
get a free ride. And yeah, all of.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
This again back to today's society is really about uh,
just quick fixes, you know success yep, yep, yep, instant
gratification and uh and uh just having you know, things
at their fingertips and expecting you know, fast food whatever
you know it is and and so putting in the

(28:52):
long hard work to build a foundation and something is
is a is kind of lost concept and and you know,
the Internet is just making our lives go so much faster.
And uh and and again you know kind of got
this idea you gotta get it while you can, and
it's gonna you know, it's bab bam, it's over.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, guys, I listened to Andrew Walmock. He says, uh,
you gotta can't. You gotta gotta can't get all you
can can can and can all you can get and
set on it or whatever. It's a little cliche that
he says. You know, anyway, it's all about me, me, me, me,

(29:35):
me and mine mine, mine, mine, mine. And you know,
it's just not unusual to see somebody you know that's
is basically operating on My name is Jimmy. Gimme, gimme, gimmy.
You know right, I deserve it. Well.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Back to the you know, plant and seed, just the
whole farming analogy. You know, I'm saying, hey, we got
to plant seeds here in the spring and grow be
good stewarts of it through the through the growing season
and then we'll have a harvest. And so being able
to just be able to do that, uh and and

(30:13):
and repeat it, you know, and and do it on
a consistent basis, you're in your out the riability of that.
And so whether it's like I said, whether you're trying
to grow corn or weed or whatever, it is a
calf crop. You know, you hit the hit the calves
hit the ground in the spring and and you know
you don't have a payday until maybe in the fall
when you wean them, or later on if you decide

(30:34):
to feed them, you know, and so forth. But that's uh,
you got to figure out how to how to be
patient enough.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
To allow that all to materialize.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
And a lot of times it's just it's some of
the simpler choices that we have, Like you know, we're
going to put to three hundred dollars in that'll pick
up and keep it running until we get a harvest, right.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Again, laid gratification, Yeah, exactly exactly, and that you know, uh,
short term loans, you know pye and everything you know
on credit cards and you know the whole credit card debt.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Trap that you can get into. You see so many
people that that trap.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
And again it's just all about ay, I want it
now and I'll pay for it later. And I'm not
you know, I'm I'm all this stuff. I'm preaching to myself.
You know what I mean, because we've been through it,
done it all, and.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Uh, you know, the biggest revelations I think I ever
had financially was I went, I had I needed a
new pickup, and so I told my wife she's she's
very diligent. And I told my wife that, I went
down I looked at one, and I got the price
on what what the payments were and all this kind
of stuff, and I figured out now I needed you know,

(31:50):
I just kind of I put a couple of hundred
dollars in and it was running good. So I just
kind of forgot about it all of a sudden. And
I had told her, you know, well there's this next
few months is going to be really really that this
will be the most difficult time of making it, and
so I want you to I want to just try
to make payments to myself and see if I can

(32:10):
pull this off. And I forgot about tell them that.
And one day she she came up to me and
she said, when are you gonna go by a new pickup?
You know, get a different pickup? And I said, well,
you know, he said, well you got the money I've
been paying. And I learned you know, it's it's sure

(32:31):
is a lot cheaper to pay it. Pay make payments
to yourself and then you don't have interest, and you
don't have somebody that's going to close the deal and
take your deal away from me if you don't make
that payment. And so I learned a lot with that
one experience. It just it just something click, something I understood.

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Why do I pay three times for that same same
vehicle when I can just pay for it once?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
If I'm just willing to put up with a little
study until I.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Can pay yourself interest, actually pay yourself interest.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
And just tell you that that's the deal.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, well that's you know, and there's good debt. I'm
not against debt, and and there's there's a but you know,
the consumer debt is the thing that that is usually
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
I mean there's there's lots of things that you have
to you know, you have to do the boring and
lending stuff. And isn't that there's perfectly fine. You just
have to calculate all that in.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yep, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
So yeah, I always say leverages of you know, leverages
of folk rum, right, and it can be used for
good and and and and can increase, but it can
do the other thing, and it can it can hit
you over the head even you know, ten times as
hard if you wouldn't have barred anybodey. And so that's
the thing that you end up deciding whether or not

(33:50):
it's a good thing, is being able to figure out
whether or not you can manage the payments and do that.
It got a business plan in place to two yuh
pay it off.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Absolutely, So you know that kind of rolls us over
into a little bit different ram And that's wisdom. And
you know the word said tells us that that you know,
if you need, if you lack wisdom, just ask Yeah,
I'll give it to you. Absolutely, I'll give you the
wisdom you need.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Who was it that said the Lord God ask him
what do you want? He said wisdom?

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm trying to think there was one of the characters
in the.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Bible that no prophet, I can't Solomon Solomon.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
I think Solomon was the guy who said, hey, I
want you have the whole world, but just give me wisdom.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah. And you know that's wisdom is the thing, and
it says, you know, get wisdom, you know, and that's
a good question is, how do you get wisdom?

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well, I was.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I like to think I'm wiser as I get older,
you know, just from the good deals and the bad deals. Yes, exactly,
And so you know, I hope that you know. Wisdom is,
you know, not what's what's you know what the definition
of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again,
expecting different results.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
And so if that's a you know, if that's a.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Something that you're doing wrong, you know, I hope you
figure out from my mistakes.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I always try to learn from other.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
People's mistakes too, So I study other people and say, Wow,
that didn't work out so well for him, or wow,
that worked out well for him. Let's imitate him. You know,
I don't mind, h I'm you know, I don't have
to invent the wheel.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
You follow me.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
If that's something working. I see my neighbor or my
partner or so and so doing something that that is fruitful,
you know, I'm game to do it. Also, you follow
me and so. But you know, the wisdom does ultimately
come from the Lord, and so I think you need
to seek the Lord and making your decisions, and so,

(36:05):
if you know, through prayer and suffocation, I think is
comes wisdom, and so uh, you know where I found
over the years my mistakes have been is being impatient
and and why I say get out in front of
the lord, you know, and I'll say, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I go down, come up a business plan, decide I'm
going to do this, and then I say, hey, Lord,

(36:27):
would you bless this right after the fact instead of saying, okay, Lord,
you know, help me give me some insight, you know,
is this the path you feel like I should be taken?
And being real And so that's again that patience comes
from maturity comes from age, you know.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
And some people.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Mature quicker and get it figured out quicker, and other people,
you know, it takes longer.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
And you know, when you take on the responsibility of
family and business employees and those you can't really hand
somebody wisdom if you don't have any.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
That's good point.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
So you know, if you if you if you get
the wisdom yourself and you learn how to operate in
that wisdom, then you can hand it off to your children,
your your employees and other people that are around you
that that are asking.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
For a lot of times knowledge and wisdom get confused.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, right there, two different things. They really are, but
they do work pretty hand in hand. But you have
to almost have a little bit of knowledge before you
really have wisdom to know, because really wisdom is what
to do with the knowledge you have.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
There you go there, you go good And that's well
put exactly, apply it absolutely to make it work.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Sure. Yeah, And it goes back to that biblical worldview,
you know. And and it's so important I think in
the realm of business, government, family, almost every rim it's
one of those biggies that we all have to kind
of work on and and uh and understand it and

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operate in it.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Well, obviously you uh, getting closer to the Lord, getting
closer God is uh uh.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
You know, how is it put?

Speaker 3 (38:18):
You know, you need to be familiar with him, right,
And how do you come familiar with him is You've
got to get you know, you got to get in
the Word and got to spend time around other Christian
men or people. I shouldn't say it was just men,
but uh, surround yourself with good godly people and that'll
rub off on you. But also you've got to spend
time in the Word and say, listen, I wanna I

(38:40):
want to know you Jesus, and I want.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
To know God.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
What's God God for me personally? And so you uh
to get closer, have a closer relationship. You got to
become familiar, you know, with somebody I don't I And
then the same goes with your friends or your you know,
your loved ones. You got to spend time, quality time
with them to be able to know them better. And again, ultimately,

(39:06):
to gain your worldview, you've got to be you know,
a biblical worldview. You've got to study the Bible, you know,
and so understanding the principles and and the revelation that
comes from being in the Word is what's really critical.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
I was talking about the Word of God and the
best example of you know how valuable it is to me,
it's it's kind of like a tuning fork. There's a
tone that it has, And if you really want to
hear the voice of God, you need to read the

(39:47):
Word of God because it is prophecy. It is the
voice of God, and the more familiar we get with it,
the better tuned in our ears are to hear the
voice of the world Word. And so I really like
that application of you know, why would I want to
read the word, you know well, because it contains what

(40:11):
you want, but it also tunes your spiritual leasures, and
don't worry to actually hear him.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
And and also then beyond yeah, absolutely, and then and
then when and then also to discern when the when
the enemy is trying to whisper in your ear right
and so you can say, listen, that is not of
the Lord. That I don't that thought that crossed my mind.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
You know, uh, that's not from you Lord.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
That's maybe from me, you know, my fleshly desires and
I want to say, boom, I want it out of there,
you know. And you need to have that to be
able to recognize his voice, recognize his plan, understanding discerning
what his plan is for your specific life, and be

(40:59):
able to understand you quicker, to understand that the enemy
when they when when his schemes come in and start
whispering in your other ear stuff, that is not of
the Lord.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
That's so cool, that's so true. And you know, I
think that as a man, especially you know you were
talking about, you know, how important it was for a
man to be able to walk in integrity. And the
enemy really does want to destroy marriages, but he knows

(41:32):
if he can get the man and drag us off
and you know, miss us up allways, he's got the
marriage and so there's so such such a bad I
think he's drawn on man on mankind. And I was
looking back here the other day, I was going all
the way back to you know, remember Archie Bunker. You know,

(41:56):
even even back then that was you know, before that
we had father's no best and some of those kinds
of things. But when Archie Bunker come along, he was
a goof and everybody, you know, I mean, the whole
the whole attitude toward fatherhood shifted and was they started
making fun of it and just look at all the

(42:17):
other garbage. Since then, you know, for me, sure it's nuts.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Oh yeah, absolutely, just totally twist.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
The manhood is really absolutely masculinity, Yes, absolutely masculinity is
they're doing everything they can.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
The enemy is doing everything.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
They can to dilute it and to uh minimize it.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yes, sir, that's true. And I think that's one of
the things that kind of causes the old Jizabel spirit
to rise up. Is you know, if a man is weak,
well then it gives an opportunity for somebody else to
take control. And it didn't really have to be a female,
could be another male. But you know, if you open

(42:59):
that door, then you know, you lose control that you
should should that rightfully belongs to you, because you're not
you're you're not embracing it. You're not you're not picking up,
you're not operating.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Last a couple of weeks ago, Jason Kraft spoke about
that's true this and and uh. One concept that he
really uh really got me scratching my head was was
he mentioned, there's no there can't be a Jezebel spirit
without an a hab. And so you know, you think
about being a passive a hab or you know, a

(43:32):
haveb is characteristic is when he became passive.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Now, now, he was a.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Great warrior out in the world, right he said, he
he uh, there was only one other you know, uh,
conqueror of the world that gained more land than he did.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Right.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Uh, But when it came back to the home, when
it came back to the household, he was very passive.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Uh. And and let the Jezebel spirit creep into is
just one area.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
You got to fall fall down in one area and
here comes you just open the door.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Exactly, man.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yeah, and so you know, our again, our culture that
we're living in today is so far from that culture.
It is that that God has laid out for us,
and and and again back to you know, the so
much has happened since though. You know, the the whatever
you said, Archie Bunker was was that late sixties early

(44:32):
seventies that started, you know, and you think about our
cultural shift in our world from our grandparents to our
parents to today all.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
The way up to where we don't know, miss a
lot of people don't know whether they are male or
female now.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Gender confusion, Yeah, exactly, and so crazy. That's a whole
another bag of orange we get into.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Well, I mean, I think you see that deterioration happening
over time, and the reason for it is because we
really are not building that biblical world view that we
really absolutely need. And I think part of that is
coming back a little bit. And I think that there's
there's been an uprise of of attitude towards you know, no,

(45:21):
men need to be men. And I loved when Promise
Keepers fired up and we really we really had a
wave of manly stuff that was going on there. I
hated that diet out but that's what we do another
time frame for you know, men to rise.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
It absolutely absolutely, and.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I think I think, I think that it's so important
for you know, there's just a leadership that a man
has and does and has an authority that he can
stand in that is uh just designed for him, designed
for masculinity, right. You know, it's not that you're better
than the female and then you're different because there's a

(46:07):
motherhood that can only be produced with them. They can
only work right through them. And so we were made
differently for for a purpose, for the order to it.
And you know it's just we get we get those
orders mixed up sometimes and we pay high process for yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Absolutely, yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
And we you know, I'll talk about raising my children
and and you know, the masculine side tends to challenge,
you know, especially I've got sons. I have three sons,
and challenge them to become a man, right and challenge
them in ways and and maybe not have the compassion
that the mother does. But you know, there's a there's

(46:54):
a a in a perfect world, there's an equal balance
there that balances each each other out, that makes uh,
that brings a child to understand what his identity is,
understand what his purpose is and and plant the good
seeds of that bilical worldview that.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
We so we value, you know, I value that a
lot of.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
So much, so so so so true. Children, I had,
I had one other little question that I was just
wanting to hit on and now it was just I'd
like to just kind of get your overall view of
kind of where we are in the world right now,
and help. What do you think about kind of what's
going on and and what do you see, you know,

(47:41):
happening in the in the near future, especially here even
in the United States and business in the things that
are going on. It seems chaotic, but there's some design
I think forming up and so you know, talk about
let's bounced out around just a few minutes for you.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Well, that's a big that's a big one, dude, you know.
I mean, there's just so many different fasts that you
can you know, uh, you can start working on there. Uh,
you know, talking about the Islamic world, you know, and
how fast it's growing in the world. You know, I've
see I've talked to people that have been over in
England watching how it's taken over, uh, England and several

(48:25):
European countries all.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
And so and then and then you bring it home
and you hear.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
About different UH communities in uh Dallas Houston area where
they're actually you know, having UH Islamic Muslim communities that
are they're you know, pretty exclusive, you know, and so, uh,
you know, there's a foothold there that you know, I

(48:53):
obviously was never exposed to when I was a child,
that that is there in the world of my children,
and so, uh, you.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Know, it's it's it's it's a battle. It's a it's
an ideology battle, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
And and uh, I've got a son in college right now,
and there's an ideology battle there going on. You know,
would just when you when you send them out into
the world and go into college, and and you know,
I would tell you there was some of that. That's
when I back in the eighties, when I was going
to college, you know, there was some of that that
you're being influenced, but it was a real small voice.

(49:25):
And today it's it's kind of a louder.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Everything is louder today. I really believe, you know, I
was going to like you, and I didn't experience the
drugs that were available that instantly at one time and
when you're totally addicted. Oh yeah, we didn't have that.
We had we had stuff that there would get you addicted,

(49:48):
but we didn't have that kind of exactly and heartbeat
type thing. And we didn't have the Internet that was
just constantly bombarding us with pictures of you know, to
drag us off and get our thinking wrong.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
And you know, honestly, how you think is so important
and so vital to being a father, being a business leader,
being a Christian being. You know, someone who who who
can help other people stay away from or whatever and

(50:30):
then get through some of these issues that they face.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yeah, well, and you know they'll classic you can lead
a horse to water, which you can't make them drink,
you know. And so we uh, you know, we we
don't have control over people. You know, we don't have
control over others actions, right, and so we can yeah,
whether it's your children, or your coworkers, or your employees
or or your boss whatever and so those relationships. But

(50:57):
but hopefully you have some wants to help and people
uh make good decisions, right, and so you know that's
all you can hope for and say, give them the exposure. Uh,
be bold about it, you know. I think that's the
thing that is is a very not good characteristic of

(51:21):
our Christianity. Our Christian world today is just a passivity,
just being passive and saying, well, this is what I think.
But you all go over there and think whatever you
want to, you know, not being bold enough to say, listen.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
This is the truth.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Yes, and here's where I got that truth exactly. And
not only that, you know that you.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Know, seek the truth, and the truth shall set you free,
free of that addiction, free of that, you know, poverty,
free of that whatever it is that you're you know,
and and so you know that old banner of saying freedom,
you know, not for freedom's sake, but for you know,
for the Lord's sake, to say, hey, we want, uh,

(52:04):
you know, the freedom from the shackles and the chains
that the enemy has put on us, or that we
have allowed the enemy to put on us. And so
you know, there there's uh, you know, I've got some
missionaries that I support that I get reports back of
making tremendous headway, you know, and and I love hearing

(52:24):
their stories and and and and you want to support that,
right because sometimes when you're when you're home. You know,
when you're closest home, those that are familiar with you
the most are the people that you have the least
influence on, unfortunately, and so there's kind of a dichotomy there.
And you say, well, I don't have to go overseas

(52:45):
to be a missionary. I can be a missionary in
my home. But you know, I've been a missionary in
the prison system, you know. And you go where the
fields are, right, you go where the where there's a
hunger for the word. You know that that that people

(53:05):
are wanting to be transformed. You know, we're seeking transformation
and and and in this society here, in our modern
christian in our modern society in the United States here,
there's just not a lot of passion for that. And
so you know, we can do whatever we kind of
can to drum up that passion, you know, bring it,

(53:27):
you know, our contemporary worship service for example, to try
to be more in tune with the with the culture today.
You know, is that uh still you know you still
I question, you know it that attracts them, right, but
does the do do we move on and get them
grounded in the word and grounded in the principles that

(53:51):
that ultimately is what they need.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Absolutely, Well, there's all there's benefit in in in in
believing the word and blame the believe it following the truth,
and uh, there's reward that's attached to it. You don't
give to get, but you need to give knowing that
God is going to bless you giving. Yeah, and uh

(54:14):
that it's a it's a he gave. He was the first.
He was the original pay it forward guy.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Right. Yeah, absolutely, you were.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yet senators while we were yet sinners died for so
he he was, he was, He started the whole thing.
And and sometimes we need to lock hold of some
of those things that are worthwhile and support them, like
you said, in our giving and our our stewardship, and
be good examples of that to our employees, to our children,

(54:45):
to our friends.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Well that's uh, yeah, you're exactly right. And that that
whole that whole concept of that grace that we didn't
don't have to earn is.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Probably one of the toughest concepts for New.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Christians to grab hold of and understand because we are
living in shame. We live in uh uh, you know,
the Lord put or the enemy puts that shame on us,
and he doesn't want us to, you know, follow the Lord.
But so the first thing you got to get off,
you know, say get off me, is that shame and
say listen, I can't do anything about what happened in

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the past.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
And I'm not that old man anymore.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
And I'm going forward following you, Jesus, and I am
focused on you, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
I got to be intentional to say whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
I'm doing, I'm you know, you know, you'll have that
Hayley's comment deal where those guys are trying to follow
Hami's comment. I want to be I want to be
in the vortex following or that's probably not the word,
you know.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I want to you know, we like to watch F.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
One racing, you know, and I want to be in
that draft, you know what I mean, where he's pulling
me along.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
That gives me extra power that I don't have on
my own right.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
And so, uh that's really important, you know, and and
and and again you you know, on the concept of tithing,
and and and just I'm I can tell you I
you know, everything I have is today worldly financially is
because of the principle of tithing and and and getting
that concept is a tough one and the first step

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is the hardest, just like the first you know, getting
out of bed is the you know, the first roll
out of bed is the hardest, and it gets better
after that.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Right.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
But the same thing with tithing. You know, understand the
concept of tithing and say, man, I don't have two
sticks to rub together here right now, but I'm giving
right because the Lord it's all his anyway, right, And
so it's actually almost almost selfie Stephen, just say hey,
I'm just giving you ten percent, you know, and I'm

(56:43):
sewing ten percent back in. But it's a it's back
to the sewing and reaping. You know, you you know
you want to you want what's what's it say?

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Do you want all of it working for you?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Or do you want to give him ten percent and
ninety percent it's blessed right?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Or do you want one hundred percent of it's not blessed?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Right?

Speaker 3 (57:06):
So I went with this concept to say, hey, I
want I'm given ten percent of everything that I've gained
and to you Lord and and and he has I
can just I could sit here and talk until morning
on the miracles that he's giving me things that He've
put in my place worldly things that has been able

(57:26):
to multiply, multiply multiple times beyond any you know, hourly work,
hourly wage. So but comes with coming with that, What
comes along with that, the responsibility comes along is the stewardship, right,
and so you're giving me x more and I got
to be a good steward of that, right. And so

(57:49):
after we've the ninety percent is way more than what
I ever put together outside the Lord prior my prior
to being uh a falloer of Jesus. And so h again,
I can whether you talk about your balance sheet, or

(58:10):
you talk about your this year's income, or you talk
about growth in any area you follow me, you want
it blessed by the Lord.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
And so yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
I'll tell you what we're about. Out of time, So
I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you if you would just
kind of focus in on this camera right here and
pray for.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Us right quick for super Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Okay, while you're while he's doing that, folks, I'm gonna
put up on the screen here we have a prayer
hot line and you can just call in to that
prayer hot line, and uh, we we have people will
speak Spanish and English both that will answer that line
and minister to you.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Sweet So all right, well, thank you for your time, Lord,
and our time. Your time, Fred's time is all the
Lord's time, right Amil Lord. I just thank you for
this time that I got to spend with Fred. I
thank you for the invitation that Fred extended to me.
I had no idea what I was getting into, UH,

(59:09):
but I appreciate UH. And I by by honoring Fred,
by watching Fred through the years, you know, I have
a lot of faith and confidence that he's fallen the
Lord with what he's doing. Lord, and so I just
ask you to bless this ministry that he is creating,

(59:34):
that he's providing, that he's facilitating, Lord, and so our
time together here, I hope is not in vain, Lord,
that the miracle of the World Wide Web to be
able to kick this out around the country, around the
world is amazing to me. The ability to reach folks

(59:56):
that wouldn't hear this word otherwise, is UH what we
hope for. Pray for Fred and Irene and their UH
ministry and their family, Lord, to pray that that all
this time that we've given UH will be multiplied.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Just prayer Jesus name.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Amen, thanks for being here. We'll say good to buye
for now. We love, we love you, and we want
if you call that number again, there's people there that
can kind of minister to you if you have some
sort of ministry need. But anyway, join us again next week.
We'll be right back here, same time, the same station.
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