July 31, 2025 • 54 mins
Samson and Fred Talk about desipalship and the key role it has in the development of God's
kingdom here on Earth and during our lifetime.
Luke 8:15 speaks of seed in good soil. First, there must be salvation, but seed sown, must also be nurtured in order to produce. Join us as we dive into kingdom realities.
kingdom here on Earth and during our lifetime.
Luke 8:15 speaks of seed in good soil. First, there must be salvation, but seed sown, must also be nurtured in order to produce. Join us as we dive into kingdom realities.
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this week. And we're excited about having Sampson along with us. Welcome, Welcome,
mister Sampson. This is Sampson from Kenya. And I can't
say his last name, so I'm not even gonna try
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it one more time.
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Okay, it's good God, it's close, yes, close, but.
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Probably no cigar.
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On around the world. You know, we have we have
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To know at least you could just pray and find
ourselves and we maybe like fo yeah, took on some
guess for us to do that. I'm gonna just a
little closer to you. Yeah that's good.
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Yeah, So anyway, that's good.
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We're glad to I'm glad that you're here to samson
Is he has been he's been around for a while
and he's been on our program before already. But we
we have grown to big friends and and I just
see as hard as being very compassionate toward really training
training disciples more more than more. You know, there's the evangelist,
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but then there's also the discipler, and there's the teacher.
There's the preacher, there's the there's there's there's gifts that
are in place to build a kingdom and not just
not just get people born again, but to facilitate learning
and understanding the power and the presence of the kingdom
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and so that that's important. We all have a role
to play. Yeah, and then it's all important. Yeah, I
think that.
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Yes, we talked so much about evangelism and wild evangelism,
that great habits, you know, but disciple making starts and
ends with evangelism. You know, Yes, you win the lost,
but how do we journey with them and you know,
for them as believers, then becoming one kind then eventually
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sending them to go out there and also do the same.
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So I say that it starts with evangelic and ends
with the activisi.
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So yeah, that's that's the reason why I'm passionate so
much about I'm passionate so much about the disciple, disciples, disciple.
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Making, you know.
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But it's great to be here once again, Afraid. I
was here last time and we had a great conversation.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have. Uh we were over at
her for the other day with the group that we
meet with over there and have.
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They're very always, always good to get to get There's
a lot of deep.
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Wells in the room and I really love being in that,
in that group and in that in the company of
folks that come through there.
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Yeah, I mean the conversation yesterday for example, you know
any I mean just sharing about the light and across
the room and you hear from every minister and all this.
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That was just amazing. That was just great. You know,
I enjoyed it. I mean it has been aroun for
I mean, yes, for this.
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Yeah.
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I think I've been going to Herford for over twenty
five years.
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Personal wow, and they it went on, it was it
was it pre existed.
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That so I don't know when Dorman and Jenna dorm
that church, but it's been probably thirty years ago.
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That's been Yeah, that's good. It's good to see me
and it's just coming together. I don't fat two of
them yesterday, still about it every Tuesday. Just seeing people
of different denominational backup but being brought together because they
want to be edified and they want to build each other.
I think that was amazing.
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Yeah, yeah, I think that was That was just amazing
just to see that it is that. It is amazing,
really good. Yeah.
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So I want to I don't don't really want to
delay letting you kind of have the floor a little
bit because I really think it's the teaching that you
have or some of the instruction that you have. I
like for you to share that with people and just
kind of give us a little overview of.
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Kind of what you're teaching and want and what not.
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But basically, you have a you have a group that's
up in Colorado Springs, and that's where you've you've kind
of been there and they've they've been building something. And
then you're gonna take kind of what's been built there
and and take it back to Kenya with you and
and and establish what like a school or or an
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average post.
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You see, when we talk about whether you talk about
disciple making, you know, it's it's it's to us, it says, go.
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And make disciples of all right, you know, and people.
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Of different ethnic backgrounds. And it's it's not just limited
to a group of people. It's also different age.
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Groups, you know.
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And so you know this group in.
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Color Glorado, in Denver, actually Colorado, they're they're they're strong
when it comes to evangelizing the teenagers.
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You know, the students you know, and you know.
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Just came coming along just to help them on how
to disciple those images so that they can mobilize them
equip them so that they can also go out there
and make disciples, to make other disciples. So we see
what is happening, a strong, robust movement that is happening
back in in in Denver, that is affecting you know,
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I would say part.
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Of the us. It's not all of the need to
be affected. So we want we wanted that.
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Also we want to take a part of that and
contextualizing you know, back back back back in Kenya and
be able to see students, you know, being evangelized.
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So that's just really great. But also I'm also.
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The country leader for Life you know, Jaylife Nure, which
is a you know, it's.
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Part of Jay Life Africa.
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And ideally what we do is we mobilize disciple making
movement throughout the churches.
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In Africa. We do that through equipping.
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Through training, through mentorship, through coaching, just to see that
leaders are more geared and focused on doing what Christ called.
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Us to do, just to make disciples.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so that's basically what I'm doing. But I'm excited
to be here.
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I'm excited just whenever we have a conversation with you
and having you've traveled across the world there, yeah, so
just getting to hear from you and the experiences you've
had and we were having a conversation with you today
and you feel that there's a need for for leaders
to be training. It's just great to hear that. I
feel that that's the movement right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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thanks so much.
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That's good.
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Yeah yeah, So who do you want.
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Me to Yeah, I think I'm gonna just let you
go ahead and I'm gonna I'm gonna this is your
camera up here, so I'm gonna switch you over to
that and just let you go ahead and do the
presentation there.
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Okay, that's great, great friend to have for inviting me
to be with with you today and just this broadcast
that you know that is there to build and edify
the Body of Christ.
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So, as I've indicated in the beginning, this.
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Is my second time here, and last time when I
was there, we had an amazing conversation. And so when
I went back to Kenya, and of course when the
broadcast goes out, I was able to share with my peers,
the church family, and that was an amazing conversation.
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So again I would want to argue that kindly check.
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On the website, you know, you know, subscribe, you know
to the YouTube. Just hear what God is doing, you
know through this, you know past and how the body
of Christ is is.
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Being impacted ugi you know by this. So I want
to share with us today as I've indicated that.
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You know, I'm mulco pastor overseasy because after got churches
until certainly in January that I stepped back as a
reading pastor. But I'm amazed at what God is doing.
So today I want us to look at, you know,
something to do with foundation, especially when it comes to
disciple making. And I want us to read from Marth
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chapter seven, verse twenty four through twenty seven, and I'll
be reading from I'll be reading from new trans the
NLT New Translation, New Living Translation, and I would just
really disease Matthew. That is Marth with chapter seven, verse
twenty four to twenty seven. And the Mooble say is
that anyone who listens to my teaching and follows it
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is why it is wise. Like a person who builds
a fund a house on solid drop.
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Though the rain comes.
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In torrents and the flood waters rise and the winds
beat against that house, it won't collapse because it is
built on bedrock. But anyone who hears my teaching and
doesn't obate is foolish. Like a person who builds a
house on sand. When the rains and floods come and
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the winds beat against that house, it will collapse with
a mighty crash.
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And sometimes when you you you you listen to those.
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Words of our Lord Jesus Christ, it's it's it's actually
a metaphor. And Jesus Christ is having a conversation, you know,
and it's talking to his disciples about foundation. And the
big question that we should ask ourselves that from that metaphor,
how does it relates to life and ministry? You know?
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Of course Jesus Christ is talking about you know, the
two builders, you know, and basically, when crisis came and
when fried floods and torrents came, this particular house that collapsed.
And sometimes when you think about that and you ask
yourself this question, how does that metaphor relate to your
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life and ministry? You know, Jesus Christ came and he
was with his disciples for three years.
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He allowed them to see his life.
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Bible says that, you know, he called them to be
with him, and after that he may be able to
send them out to make disciples. But you realize that
between eighteen to twenty four months, Jesus used that opportunity
to build solid foundation for his disciples that would help
them later when they're out there and they're making disciples.
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You if you looks knowologically, you realize that during that
period Jesus never allowed them out to go out there
and make disciples or do ministry. From that particular time,
there were things that Jesus was building them home. There
were things that Jesus was rooting them. You know, you know,
very very important that those who are you know the
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foundational principles. You know, even when it comes to disciple making.
Can we just think about it.
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If we get the foundation wrong, we.
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Will compromise our effectiveness as individuals. The building is not
how beautiful it is. It's down to the foundation. It's
down to what it is underneath. You know, if the foundation,
if you get it wrong when it comes to foundation,
you compromise the effectiveness of the building. You know, you know,
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most of the time I walk and I see, you know,
when the foundation is being that I see how deep
it goes, and that one tells me I see a
lot of equipments around, you know, and all that and
that one actually tells me that it's going to be
a huge building that is going to come up out
of that, but it will be a little bit worrying
when the foundation is not that deep and they're coming
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up with this big building. Then that one compromised the
effectiveness of the building. And that's the same same thing
even when it comes to life and ministry, when it
comes to disciple making and making disharmles, it's really really
important for us to be king on the foundation that
we are building the people that we're discipling. And Jesus
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Christ was key when it came to that. He brought
around these twelve men who some of them are fishermen,
some of them were learning and all that. But later
in the Book of Acts, we are told that these
same same individuals that are seen as as you know,
not having effect, we are told that they turned the
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world that type, they turn their wild upside down. There
could be a reason why that one happened. Jesus spend
quality time with it. He spent almost half of his
time his public ministry. He spent half of that just
to build solid foundation because he knew that if he
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does that one right, then there will be effective in
their ministry.
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And they will be effective, you know, in their lives.
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And so the big question is, how then do do
we choose what our foundation will be?
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That's a big question. How do we choose the material
for foundation?
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Because when you're building a foundation, uh, then then it
is down to the kind of materials.
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That you use for foundation.
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That's basically when it comes to the Christian life, you know,
and even for us with disciple makers as we as
we are disciple in others, what are the foundational materials
that we use, you know, you just to to build
you know, an individual. And first June chapter two, verse six,
a very very hey Kivas. He says, weever claims to
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live in him must work as Jesus did. Quite an
amazing scripture there. Weaver claims to leave in Jesus must
work as Jesus did. And so the big question is
how and is it possible for us to walk the
way he walked? And that's that's a big question. Somebody says, okay,
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what's God and all? That is not possible for us.
But he showed us the way, He showed us how
to live. You know, he he he was he had
confidence and he was sure enough that we were capable,
through the power of the Holy Spirit, of course, to
live the life that he lived, you know. And so
when it comes to picking the foundation, it's important for
us to look at some of the foundational principles that
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Jesus that we have seen in the life of of
of of a life and ministry of Jesus, and of
the foundational principle is a Holy Spirit empowered life. We
see that in the life of Jesus Christ, everything about
him was about the Holy Spirit. His conception was through
the power of the Holy Spirit. He was led to
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the wilderness to be tempted.
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You know, by the Holy Spirit.
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When he spoke about the you know, he spoke so
clearly what I would refer to his Papa statement says,
the whole the Spirit of God is upon me, for
He has anointed me.
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You know.
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Everything that Jesus Christ did was through the power of
the Holy Spirit. He was led by the Holy Spirit,
and and and and he was clearly letting his deship
pers know that there is a foundational principle that is
really really key and important for their own for their
for for their life, and for the ministry. He realized
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that for them to be effective even in what he
had called.
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Them to do.
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It is important for them to rely on the power
of the Holy Spirit, you know. And Jesus Christ was
so criategor recall, he was so clear to his disciples,
and he told them, yes, I'm living, but do not.
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Live Jerusalem, and til you.
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Are endowed with powerfulm on high, when the Holy Spirit
will come upon you, you're going to be my witnesses.
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So it was very, very clear, was telling them.
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And I had this conversation yesterday that Jesus Christ was
with his disciples.
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You know, God with us in Manuel, God with us.
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But the Holy Spirit is God in us, empowering us
to be effective in what he has called us to do.
And sometimes we want to passive these other things when
it comes. When it when our Christian life and we
ignore the Holy Spirit.
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And there's nothing that we can do meaningful.
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There's no way we can be effective in our ministry
life if we.
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Do not rely on the Holy Spirit.
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And so Jesus Christ insisted that it was important that
they be empowered by the power of the Holy Spirit.
And this is out saying quotes one of the foundational materials.
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That are really important and necessary.
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You know, you know, you know, you know, in a
Christian life, you know, for us to be effective as Christians.
And another foundational principle that we see that Jesus Christ
emphasized so much on on on the on prayer, he
taught them to to be prayerfully dependent. You know. We
see more than thirty times in the New Testament where
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in the Gospel actually.
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Where prayer has been modeled by the Lord Jesus Christ.
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And and several times we see that every time during
those times when Jesus spread something happened. And even when
these disciples came and asked him, Lord, teach us how
to pray, they saw him prayer and and and there
were there were conscious of the fact that every time
Jesus praid, something did happen, you know, something supernatural didn't happen.
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And so he taught them to be prayerfully dependence, you know,
And this is a foundational principles. You know, sometimes when
we talk about prayer, we we we always think that
prayer is only when we come to God and we
need and be asking him to do. You know, it's
like wish list to come with this shopping list is
like it's like a supermarket Worldmark, for example, here in
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the US, and you just that you walk and show
what you want and you walk away. No, prayer is
that relationship that we have with God. You know, you know,
it's it's it's it's it's the intimacy. You know, Prayer
brings intimacy, you know, it's it's it's it's a it's
a vertical. We have intimacy with God. It's horizontal when
we have when we have you know, a relationship and
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fellowship with others. You know, prayer is not just a
wish list or a shopping list.
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That that you bring to God.
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Prayer is actually relating and fellowship and with God. You know,
prayer is having an opportunity to hear from Him. You know,
I have I'm far away from home right now, several
miles away from home, away from.
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My family, you know, you know, my wife and.
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Kids and all that, you know, but we keep talking.
We keep you know, doing you know, online talking and
conversation is going on. And that conversation helps me to
be updated on what is happening back at home.
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Man.
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That keep them updated on what is happening back here.
And that's what prayer does. When when when we pray,
the Lord updates us of the having things that are happening.
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He you know, we we we.
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Don't walk this life as if we are blind, but
we walk in the light because prayer helps us to
do that, and it helps us to understand the mind
of God. The Book of Romans, chapter eight, I can't
remember the boss. The Bible says, for we do not
know what we ought to pray for. But the Spirit
of God is the seed for us with gross that
are not why because the spirit of God knows the
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mind of God. Because the Spirit of God knows the
mind of God, he reveals to us that mind of God,
so that.
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We are to pray according to the God.
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So Jesus is so clear to his disciples as you know,
they have to be only spirit and power, but they
need to depend, you know, they have to leave a
prayer for dependence life as a key foundational priscos. And
then the other thing that is really really a key
foundational principle is obedience.
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To the Kingdom and gender.
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You realize that Jesus Christ in you know, when he
started his minis to the Bible says that he went
to the synagogues. You know, preaching, teaching and preaching the
message of the Kingdom.
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He wanted them to understand how the Kingdom of Plates.
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He wanted them to have you know, and sometimes we
lansk to ask yourself, okay, when we talk about the kingdom,
I don't want to be theological about it. But my
understanding of the Kingdom of God is is where the
sovereignity of God is being acknowledge and submitted to, you know,
because you can you can you can you can acknowledge
the sovereignty of the king, but you're not submitted to
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his sovereignty, you know. And so when you talk about
the Kingdom of God, he made them understand who the
king was. He made them understand the principles of the kingdom,
but he wanted them to submit themselves to the sorevinity
of His Father, you know, and understand.
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That you know that the principles of the kingdom.
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And so this is a foundational principle that is very important,
and I think Christoph Fred sometimes we have men and
women who are in the kingdom, but they're not submitted
to the king you know.
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They are in the.
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Kingdom, but they don't want to, you know, adhered to
what the king, you know, is wants.
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Then they want to live their own lives.
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You know, they want to live as if they are
not submitted to anyone.
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You know, he is not the master of your life.
That he is not the master at all.
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You get the point important And to find that Jesus
Christ all along keep talking about he was talking.
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So much about the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of God.
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He wanted them to want standard of the kingdom now
and the kingdom to come.
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You know, we add in the Kingdom of God yesterday.
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I was I was impressed when we you know, those
those analogy that was brought about an ambassador who represent
the interests you know, of of of of of the
sending authority, and and and and we we we are
a bassadores yah, you know, we are ambassadors.
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Or the kingdom, you know, very important.
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And that that's one of the things that.
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The Americans mindset is a little different than the European mindset,
and that we we really don't have a very good
concept of kingdom.
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Yes we don't.
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We're not under a king or we're under you know,
a different form of government.
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Yes, and so it's a little more difficult for us
to relate sometimes to them. But the sovereignty of God,
the the just you know that that picture isn't as
clear as it is in some places where they have
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more of a king or or something that over the
country and have a sovereign So but it doesn't really matter.
We can come, we can we can learn, we can
all learn. You know what that means? And uh, And
but the foundational thing is do we submit to it?
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Exactly?
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And I think the word is really more about submission.
In whatever authority you might be under, you understand the
word submission exactly, and you know there we have to
be able to submit our will, our desires to you know,
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the leadership you know of either the government or but
more importantly to God exactly. And in order to do
that you have to have trust, true, very true. Submission
is always based on trust, yeah, very true. And so
if I trust you will then all submit.
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Yes.
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If I don't trust you, I might want to submit
to meet you.
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And I think that it's quite quite as I said
in the beginning.
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You can at acknowledge, yeah, but you don't submit. Acknowledging
is not a phenomenon of submission, right.
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You get the point, you know, and.
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Maybe coming from Africa whereby we have those the monarchy kind.
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Of rule, we somehow understand, you know, you know what
it is.
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But I think that Jesus Christ is emphasis the emphasis
that he had during those eighteen to twenty four twenty
five months that between that, you know, it is between
eighteen that he was with his disciples and he's building
you know, those foundational principles. He wanted them to understand,
you know, the kingdom.
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You know, he's trying to hand them, yes, the knowledge
that they could.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
But I love the part though, when he finally gets
to the place of where he says, okay, now you
go do it.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Go ahead, Yeah, you know, they're transferred, they're transferred from
trust and him to trust completely. And when you do
it and in us I've told you about the kingdom.
I've told you about the agenda of the Kiddo. I
want you to be obedient to the kingdom agenda, you know,
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And so going out there and making disciples is an
act of obedience. It is to the agenda of the king.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But it's also a trust because we have to we
have to get back to the point of.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Of of an origin of things.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know that the disciples folding around is basically showing
tail for you know, three and a half years. Yeah,
and you know, they they were all completely convinced that
he could do it. Yes, but they weren't going evinced
that they weren't at all convinced that they could do it.
And whenever he said I give you power, I appropriate
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the authority that I have, and I give you the
power to do the same.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Thing that I have done. Now, then that's a whole
different show.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And it's one thing to be a disciple that observes
and watches somebody else do it. But it's a whole
different story whenever a disciple says, I'm appointed and anointed.
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And called to do this me, Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I am in the position that I need to do
exactly the same things that Jesus did.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And he went out and he healed the sick, he
cast out devils, he raised the dead, and he preached
the gospel in power.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And he told them and as he was sending them,
he told them to God to preach the message of
the Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
All that was in authority. That was just the authority
the believer. Pentecost had even happened.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yet, Yeah, true, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
We talked about being filled empowered by the Holy that
hadn't even happened yet. So he's handing his authority of
the kingdom to these four guys, and he's still and
he's still gives he hasn't retracted that every believer, every disciple,
still has the power to walk in those those same things.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
And he says, so all the things that he did.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He says, all authority in heaven, and that has been
given to me. And he never gave us a quarter.
He gave us they said all authority. You know, sometimes
we think that okay, he just took a little bit
of pusht say. You know, you know, like you know, no, no, no, the.
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Same same authority.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know that the you know, the all authority that
he was given, the fullness of it is I'm given.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And that's exactly what the Sitan wants. You want to get.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Your authority away from you if he wants to subjugate
it over to himself, and he won't be able to operate.
And that's from the beginning, that's what he that that
that was his plant. And you know, unfortunately, we don't
want to become disciples, yes and operate in the authority
that we've been given and operate in the gifts because
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we now that Pentecost has come and we have we
have a lot more available, yes even much much more,
but we still relegate it to not a very high
level of our understanding of what we have. And I
think that one of the big steps of making the
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disciples is helping.
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Them understand who it is they really are.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So it's really more about identity and the identity that
we have in Christ and the authority that we have
been given and the empowerment that He has has bestowed
upon us think to do the works of the kingdom.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I think I think one of the things that certain
will do is you will make you question your identity.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
He did it for Adam and Eve, but that they
did not read it, you know. He did it for.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Jesus if you're truly sign, and then you'll do it
for a believer, you know, just bringing you to a
point that you doubt who you are.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
You doubt, you doubt even if you have that authority
quite quite great.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And and and the other the other foundational principle is
the centrality of the world, you know, and we see
this strongly with our Lord Jesus Christ that that that
that everything that he did was was about the world.
He came to the book of Matthea like what the
Book of Marthy brings it out that that everything it
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was there to fulfill what was prophesied. You know, So
everything that Jesus, Jesus did, he wanted them to depend
that everything should be you know, should be.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Centered on the world of God.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
That was really really really important because you know, I
think that when it comes to you know, when it
comes to this foundational principle is it's it's it's important
every day, very very important for us to realize that
that the Word of God has to be set all
in everything that we do. You know, we wish everything
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that we do as believers should anchored.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
On the Word of God.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And so he left, he says, he speaks to us
through his son, speak to us through his word. In
the beginning those on that word was with God, that
would be and that word has been made manifest today
behold in his glory.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
So it's it's for for a believer to grow strong.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
A foundational principle that is important is the centrality of
the Word of God.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
The centrality of the Word of God.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And then the other one was the principle that the
foundational principle that Jesus cassemphasize was exalting the Father.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And this is around the issue of worship, is around the.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Issue of honoring God in our actions and in our attitude.
And I guess that most of the time that's where
people struggle with. People struggle with honoring God. And when
we talk about worship, worship is not just the words
that you expressed. It's part of it. It's not just
the good music than we listen. Worship is are you
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honoring God? Are you exalting God in your actions.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
And even in your attitude? You know?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And the mind is a strong you know. It says
where the mind goes, the man will follow. And one
of the things that the enemy would want to attack
is your mind, you know. And the Bible tells us
for us to have that mind of Christ. But the
bubble also tells us for us to be, you know,
to be transformed by the renewal of the mind.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
You get the point. And so if we are exalting God, how.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Do we bring a believer to a point whereby they're
exalting God, they're worshiping God in what they do, but
also in their attitude.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
That is really really important.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And the area is a found principle that we see
Jesus Christ emphasizing. And the last foundation of principle is
the issue of relationships. And this is where I want
us to have, you know, kind of a discussion with you,
because I think that most people.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Struggle, you know, when it comes to relating.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
To the Father and relating to each And I think
that when Jesus Christ is talking to his disciples, you
realize that he's emphasising so much about building a community
of love. You know, when he talks about us loving
our enemies, he's talking about the issue.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
For if your brother wrongs you and all that. You know,
if you're going to.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Offer, if you're going to offer a sacrifice, you know,
and you realize that you're not in good.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Terms with your brother and all that. And I think
that it's for me.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I always feel that it's a foundational principle that people
struggle with because in terms of building healthy relationships, he
seems like he's emphasising on us having a community of love,
you know, community of acceptance, you know, and community of papers.
And I think that across the board, even within the
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Christian community, whether enough for go Yes, I think that
there seems to be kind of a kind of a
struggle when it comes to that.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, a little bit of a struggle in there. I
think the reason that we have the struggle with that
is that we don't know how to communicate with him.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
More.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
The better we get to know how to communicate with him,
the better we'll communicate with our wife, and the better
will with our pastors and the people that are around us.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
That if the scriptures say that the Holy Spirit is
here to teach us all things.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
We have native knows all things and that, you know,
we a lot of.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
People want to spiritualize that, you know, and just say, well,
that's just the things you've got.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I mean it's like, how to you know, if I
don't know how to close and my.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Wife is gone. Yes, Lord, I don't need your help.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
The red sox when you comes back, he would get
down to the fundamental.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
You get down to the real you know, and the
everyday needs.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
And the more we really develop relationship with this Holy
God that we can't see, yes, the better we're going
to be able to perform the relationship with people that
we can't see.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And and and I think that you know, in the
in the initial schange of my presentation, and I said
that if you don't get the fundations right.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Then you love the foundational teachings, the whole whole serious thing.
And I like the point that you started with the
Holy Spirit, because that's us today. Yes, okay, the disciples,
the following Jesus around didn't have that option.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yes, but we do.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yes, yes, And so once you're born again, you also
need to be empowered.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And that doesn't have to be a big separation.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
That can be you know, right after you get born again,
you can also get filled the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And maybe what I want to you know, for the
years that are watching, you know, you know, sometimes we
can be struggling, you know, a Christian life and a
Christian world. Yes, and we we do kind of have
this you you know, you experience without they evolving door.
You're in, your out, you're in, you out and this this,
this is happening repeatedly, and you ask yourself, you know,
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how am I not Christian?
Speaker 4 (38:37):
You know, a strong Christian, a better Christian?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Sometimes you you you ask yourself, how are others copying.
I mean, I see brother Fred, I see brother Samson
here it could be like the extraordinary. No, no, there's
nothing extra ordinary.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
You know. There are principles that if you have.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
A good grasp of it, they will help you to
be you know, to be effective. There's no perfect Christian
out to me, you know. We we are also growing
into the and is helping. You know, our righteousness, our
rightiousness is like filthy rags before him.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
So it is the righteousness of Christ has been imputed
in us.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
God maybe him who has no sin to become since
so that we can become you know, we can be
rights standing.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
With gold, you know. But the foundational principles are really
really important.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Could be that that that you're not really really you're
living a life that you want to live it on
your own without depending on the Only Spirit, without empowered
by the power.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Because the Only Spirit does not force himself into your life.
Is a gentleman, you know, it's just for you to
yield yourself to the Holy Spirit, so that the Holy
Spirit the life that we live, we don't live by
our own power. The Spirit of God who is in
us helps us to live this life. You know and
it is a foundational principles. It's quite amazing that Jesus
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been God but still relied on the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
You know that that person of the Trinity in all that.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
And and and all that and and and and could
be also could be about.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Your prayer life. He could be.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
How often do you have time just to to to
communicate with your Father in heaven? You know, you know
somebody has somebody somebody was telling me that, you know,
why why is it that everything that you want to do?
You know you you have to ask God about you
have to pray. Say, but he's my father, He's Michael.
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He knows me, he knows the future, he knows he
knows everything about my life and and and what a
beauty if I ask him about the decisions I want
to make?
Speaker 4 (40:43):
What are beauty? When? When?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
When? When?
Speaker 4 (40:45):
When?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
When I talked to him about the fears that I
have the beauty of just proving myself and just leaning
on his chest and say, Father, I'm just here not
to ask you for anything, but just to relate and
and have a conversation with you.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
You know, you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
You you are a product of your prayer life. No
money is no man is greater than his prayer life.
And we see that Jesus Christ should early in the morning,
when it was still dark, Jesus went.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Into a solitary place and there he prayed.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You know, we see him every opportunity that he had,
he had an opportunity to fellowship with the Father, you know, Yeah,
and so and so so it could be, you know,
it's down to the prayer life and the issue of
the kingdom.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
You know, you know, are you obedient to the agenda
of the kingdom? You know?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Do you even know the agenda of the kingdom? And
how how do you know? That?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Is through the power the Holy Spirit and just getting
into the world. You know, the word of God.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Jesus Christ spelled out, you know, numerous agenda of the kingdom,
you know. And I could be that if there's anything
that he wanted his disciples and during that context of
that particular time, they're waiting for a king to come
and you know, you know, and and there's one disciple
ask him, when are you going to restore to us
the kingdom?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
We all get it ahead. We all want to get
ahead of what God God wants to do.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yes, And he said and then he should receive power
when the Holy Spirit comes upon it. In fact, he
answered that question by saying, he never said, you know,
it is this and it's not your time to know
when passed, they need to receive, will be able to
have an experience of the kingdom. And then how how
hard is it when it comes out with what do
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people do? We study the words? You know, do we
practice it? We just hear us of the words, but
we're not doing.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Us of the world, you know, And I think that's
probably more the case than we wish that it was.
You know, very there are few people that study the
word and they get phartacetical, and.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
They and they and they.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Get into the word and the word becomes their God.
And it's not it's not.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
That's not the purpose of the word. The word is
is God, but it's not, it's not.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
You know, you're taking your focus off of Jesus and
putting it over onto his word. And so if you
my wife used to write me a little love notes
whenever we were separated and we were going to two
different colleges or something, she'd send me a note or whatever,
you know, and I'd get it and I'd read it.
But it would be stupid for me to to be reading.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Her her little letter, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
And if she came in person and I would keep
reading a letter, don't follow me.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I want to read this letter, I hear.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I mean that's stupid, right, you know, it's just foolish.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
And so sometimes we get so and for all of
them trying to study the word or trying to and
and the purpose of that is that we want to
know more than somebody else, you knows, so.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
We can appear.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
But you know, it's it's we want to do others.
We want to prive cry thing.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
We want to show people how deep Jesus never wanted
us to be, you know, it just wanted us to
just I just mentioned that, you know, when I was
dating my life, you know, your little courtship and all that.
So we used to write these letters to each other,
to fred all that. And then then we got married,
and part of stuff that we had in the closet
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was those letters that I used to read, you know.
But now yes, those letters are beautiful, great, but I
have a han with me and all that.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
It's real fun. The thing is what you want to
her the shadow.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
And sometimes and I love their knowledge in the sense
that sometimes Christ to come and even when it comes
to the issue press, sometimes we worship, pray, you know,
you know, Christ to come and your praying and and
and he's tapping you and say, I want to have
a conversation, don't.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
You see on prey? You know, yet he wants to
relate with you and all that.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
And I think that if they're well, if we get
it right, even when it comes to these additional principles,
then we cross believes, yeah, absolutely, yeah, and growing growing.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
In him and knowing him better and better.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
It's just like, you know, I've been married to my
wife for fifty three years, and we dated seven before that,
so we've been hanging around together sixty years.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
And so we know each other pretty well. And you
know it.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
There's no substitute for that. Yeah, you know, I know
her much better now than when I knew her when.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
She was twenty Yes, you know, even.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Though I've been married to her for maybe a little while.
But you know, it's just it's just we grow in
our relationship, and the same thing.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
With the Lord.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
The longer we know God, the more we discover who he.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Is, what what makes him happy, what makes him, how
he responds to him and is that and and so.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
We never we never cease being a disciple.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Yes, you don't have it, gruel, don't.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Ever outrow being a disciple a learner, because you're continuously
learning what your spouse, what some of her and some
of her needs will change, and so our direction of
what we do and how we address and how we
the things that how we respond, they'll change from time
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to time and do some some of those things that
we used to do we don't do anymore because it's
just not necessary.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Now there's other areas that we need to focus on.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And the big question would be then and sometimes maybe
you can be watching as the end, The big question
is what do I do to maybe what.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
The fundational the foundational wrong? So what do they need
to do? What is it? Yeah, and and and and
then the question that I will really ask you again
if if if you realize that there are some cracks
in the world of your house, and to.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Realize that those cracks are because of the faulty foundation,
what do you do?
Speaker 4 (47:21):
See there's a big question, because you can.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Never ever ever, you know, just wish all we a
faulty foundationship.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yes, you know well, and the very first foundational thing
is you must be born again. You must be born again,
and uh, you know, and so I really want you
to kind of address the audience here and if there's
anybody that that needs to be born again, we need
to know about that. If it's anybody just needs to
be filled with the Holy Spirit, yeah, that can happen
right here, right now. And we also have a prayer line.
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I'll put that up. But I want to just kind
of let let Samsung close this out here by by
addressing you. I want to pull the third dimension in
here and let you know that it's not just me
and Samson having a conversation here, but but you're participating,
You're watching, You're you're you're involved in that's saying too.
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If you have some need, well then we want to
address those need drive now.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
Yes, my friend, my brother and sister.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I mean, I gave my life to Christ as a
sixteen year old boy. I was struggling with identity. I
didn't know my passion, my purpose in life. I was,
I mean lost, you know, into the things of the
world and all that I had. A gospel been presented
to I realized that Jesus Christ had died on the
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cross for me, that if if at all I was
the only scene.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
At that particular time in the world, we could have
still died for me.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
You know. You know, while we were yeting, I was saying,
Christ died for us. And so almost thirty two years ago,
I have seen Jesus Christ and the impact that you know,
he has had in my life.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
I have an assurance of an afterlife. I know that
even if my life is done today, I'll be with him.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
But he wants us to have, you know, life and
have it more abundantly here. And so if you're there
and you have not said yes to the Lord Jesus Christ,
if you're there and you know you you you're wondering
what is that that I need to do to please him?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
It's very easy. He died on the cross. He died
for us, so that by accepting his death and the.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Resurrection of the cross, we be able to be restored
back to the Father. You know, one thing God said
his son to bridge that grap between him and offended.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
God and a man that was that was not There's
nothing that he.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Could do by himself, you know, you know, And there's
no way we could reconcile ourselves back to the Father,
but accept our Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
So I want to give an opportunity today the way
I did that two years ago.
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Today can be the most important day in your life.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
This moment, this time could have been.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
It can be one of them, you know, the transformative.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
And turnaround moment in your life.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
And I really want to pray with you that you
may be able to give your life to Christ.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
You're hearing you're a believer, and you hear.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Us having this conversation, say, how can it be true
for me? Can I be empowered by the power of
the Holy Spirit? Can I be someone who exhort God through.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
My attitude and through my Actually it's possible. The Holy
Spirit will help you to do that.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
And maybe you're out there and you're watching this, and
you're listening to this, and you have a particular need.
You have a particular need that you want us to
God to step in. I don't know what it is,
but God knows. You're going to pray together. So let's
us pray with you right now now. Father, in the
name of Jeesus, assuming we thank you this day, We
thank you this moment for an opportunity that You've given
us to be here.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
I pray for that brother of.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
There, Pray for that sister out there who deep within
their spirit they know that they need to be reconciled
back to God. I pray, my Father, Lord, that even
as they take that step to say yes to You,
that you'll be able to accept them and forgive them
or their sues, that they may be able to start
this new journey, a journey that has a time of
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life at the end.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Of it of God.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
A prayer for a believer out there who is struggling
in this life, this Christian life. A prayer to your
spirit the way it happened during the day of Pedecost,
that the spirit of God will rest upon them in
a great and mighty way to help them Jehovah, God,
to overcome whichever struggles they have in the name of
Jesus Christ, that they be able to live for You,
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exulting You and glorifying You in everything that they do.
A prayer for those who have needs out there. Pray
for them, Lord God Almighty, that or whatever it is
a prayer may step in. A prayer for your intervention
in the name of Jesus, be it healed, be t restoration,
bid provision, bid protection, big decisions that they need to
make of God, and they desire you to help them.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Blood.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
I pray that right now, as they hear this, as
I watch this, there is spirit will help them Jehovah God,
and Lord, they'll have a testimony of your greatness of Jehovah.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
God.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
I know that the people out there were ready to
go Lord, even to save you, to share the gospel.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
I pray your oh for.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
God, that is spirit really empower them, the Lord God,
because the harvest is ready.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
I mean, they go into the harvest field of Jehovah
to the glory and on of your name. We love you, Lord,
and we bless you in Jesus' name. Ch Amen. Thank
you so much, Thank you for Thank you so much.
Thank you so much. That was really great.
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To know at least you could just pray and find
ourselves and we maybe like fo yeah, took on some
guess for us to do that. I'm gonna just a
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Yeah, So anyway, that's good.
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We're glad to I'm glad that you're here to samson
Is he has been he's been around for a while
and he's been on our program before already. But we
we have grown to big friends and and I just
see as hard as being very compassionate toward really training
training disciples more more than more. You know, there's the evangelist,
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but then there's also the discipler, and there's the teacher.
There's the preacher, there's the there's there's there's gifts that
are in place to build a kingdom and not just
not just get people born again, but to facilitate learning
and understanding the power and the presence of the kingdom
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and so that that's important. We all have a role
to play. Yeah, and then it's all important. Yeah, I
think that.
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Yes, we talked so much about evangelism and wild evangelism,
that great habits, you know, but disciple making starts and
ends with evangelism. You know, Yes, you win the lost,
but how do we journey with them and you know,
for them as believers, then becoming one kind then eventually
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sending them to go out there and also do the same.
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So I say that it starts with evangelic and ends
with the activisi.
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So yeah, that's that's the reason why I'm passionate so
much about I'm passionate so much about the disciple, disciples, disciple.
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Making, you know.
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But it's great to be here once again, Afraid. I
was here last time and we had a great conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have. Uh we were over at
her for the other day with the group that we
meet with over there and have.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
They're very always, always good to get to get There's
a lot of deep.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Wells in the room and I really love being in that,
in that group and in that in the company of
folks that come through there.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, I mean the conversation yesterday for example, you know
any I mean just sharing about the light and across
the room and you hear from every minister and all this.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
That was just amazing. That was just great. You know,
I enjoyed it. I mean it has been aroun for
I mean, yes, for this.
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Yeah.
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I think I've been going to Herford for over twenty
five years.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Personal wow, and they it went on, it was it
was it pre existed.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
That so I don't know when Dorman and Jenna dorm
that church, but it's been probably thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's been Yeah, that's good. It's good to see me
and it's just coming together. I don't fat two of
them yesterday, still about it every Tuesday. Just seeing people
of different denominational backup but being brought together because they
want to be edified and they want to build each other.
I think that was amazing.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, yeah, I think that was That was just amazing
just to see that it is that. It is amazing,
really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
So I want to I don't don't really want to
delay letting you kind of have the floor a little
bit because I really think it's the teaching that you
have or some of the instruction that you have. I
like for you to share that with people and just
kind of give us a little overview of.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Kind of what you're teaching and want and what not.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
But basically, you have a you have a group that's
up in Colorado Springs, and that's where you've you've kind
of been there and they've they've been building something. And
then you're gonna take kind of what's been built there
and and take it back to Kenya with you and
and and establish what like a school or or an
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average post.
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You see, when we talk about whether you talk about
disciple making, you know, it's it's it's to us, it says, go.
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And make disciples of all right, you know, and people.
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Of different ethnic backgrounds. And it's it's not just limited
to a group of people. It's also different age.
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Groups, you know.
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And so you know this group in.
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Color Glorado, in Denver, actually Colorado, they're they're they're strong
when it comes to evangelizing the teenagers.
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You know, the students you know, and you know.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Just came coming along just to help them on how
to disciple those images so that they can mobilize them
equip them so that they can also go out there
and make disciples, to make other disciples. So we see
what is happening, a strong, robust movement that is happening
back in in in Denver, that is affecting you know,
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I would say part.
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Of the us. It's not all of the need to
be affected. So we want we wanted that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Also we want to take a part of that and
contextualizing you know, back back back back in Kenya and
be able to see students, you know, being evangelized.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
So that's just really great. But also I'm also.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
The country leader for Life you know, Jaylife Nure, which
is a you know, it's.
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Part of Jay Life Africa.
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And ideally what we do is we mobilize disciple making
movement throughout the churches.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
In Africa. We do that through equipping.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Through training, through mentorship, through coaching, just to see that
leaders are more geared and focused on doing what Christ called.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Us to do, just to make disciples.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yeah, so that's basically what I'm doing. But I'm excited
to be here.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I'm excited just whenever we have a conversation with you
and having you've traveled across the world there, yeah, so
just getting to hear from you and the experiences you've
had and we were having a conversation with you today
and you feel that there's a need for for leaders
to be training. It's just great to hear that. I
feel that that's the movement right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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thanks so much.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah yeah, So who do you want.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
Me to Yeah, I think I'm gonna just let you
go ahead and I'm gonna I'm gonna this is your
camera up here, so I'm gonna switch you over to
that and just let you go ahead and do the
presentation there.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Okay, that's great, great friend to have for inviting me
to be with with you today and just this broadcast
that you know that is there to build and edify
the Body of Christ.
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So, as I've indicated in the beginning, this.
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Is my second time here, and last time when I
was there, we had an amazing conversation. And so when
I went back to Kenya, and of course when the
broadcast goes out, I was able to share with my peers,
the church family, and that was an amazing conversation.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
So again I would want to argue that kindly check.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
On the website, you know, you know, subscribe, you know
to the YouTube. Just hear what God is doing, you
know through this, you know past and how the body
of Christ is is.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Being impacted ugi you know by this. So I want
to share with us today as I've indicated that.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know, I'm mulco pastor overseasy because after got churches
until certainly in January that I stepped back as a
reading pastor. But I'm amazed at what God is doing.
So today I want us to look at, you know,
something to do with foundation, especially when it comes to
disciple making. And I want us to read from Marth
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chapter seven, verse twenty four through twenty seven, and I'll
be reading from I'll be reading from new trans the
NLT New Translation, New Living Translation, and I would just
really disease Matthew. That is Marth with chapter seven, verse
twenty four to twenty seven. And the Mooble say is
that anyone who listens to my teaching and follows it
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is why it is wise. Like a person who builds
a fund a house on solid drop.
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Though the rain comes.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
In torrents and the flood waters rise and the winds
beat against that house, it won't collapse because it is
built on bedrock. But anyone who hears my teaching and
doesn't obate is foolish. Like a person who builds a
house on sand. When the rains and floods come and
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the winds beat against that house, it will collapse with
a mighty crash.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
And sometimes when you you you you listen to those.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Words of our Lord Jesus Christ, it's it's it's actually
a metaphor. And Jesus Christ is having a conversation, you know,
and it's talking to his disciples about foundation. And the
big question that we should ask ourselves that from that metaphor,
how does it relates to life and ministry? You know?
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Of course Jesus Christ is talking about you know, the
two builders, you know, and basically, when crisis came and
when fried floods and torrents came, this particular house that collapsed.
And sometimes when you think about that and you ask
yourself this question, how does that metaphor relate to your
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life and ministry? You know, Jesus Christ came and he
was with his disciples for three years.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
He allowed them to see his life.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Bible says that, you know, he called them to be
with him, and after that he may be able to
send them out to make disciples. But you realize that
between eighteen to twenty four months, Jesus used that opportunity
to build solid foundation for his disciples that would help
them later when they're out there and they're making disciples.
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You if you looks knowologically, you realize that during that
period Jesus never allowed them out to go out there
and make disciples or do ministry. From that particular time,
there were things that Jesus was building them home. There
were things that Jesus was rooting them. You know, you know,
very very important that those who are you know the
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foundational principles. You know, even when it comes to disciple making.
Can we just think about it.
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If we get the foundation wrong, we.
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Will compromise our effectiveness as individuals. The building is not
how beautiful it is. It's down to the foundation. It's
down to what it is underneath. You know, if the foundation,
if you get it wrong when it comes to foundation,
you compromise the effectiveness of the building. You know, you know,
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most of the time I walk and I see, you know,
when the foundation is being that I see how deep
it goes, and that one tells me I see a
lot of equipments around, you know, and all that and
that one actually tells me that it's going to be
a huge building that is going to come up out
of that, but it will be a little bit worrying
when the foundation is not that deep and they're coming
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up with this big building. Then that one compromised the
effectiveness of the building. And that's the same same thing
even when it comes to life and ministry, when it
comes to disciple making and making disharmles, it's really really
important for us to be king on the foundation that
we are building the people that we're discipling. And Jesus
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Christ was key when it came to that. He brought
around these twelve men who some of them are fishermen,
some of them were learning and all that. But later
in the Book of Acts, we are told that these
same same individuals that are seen as as you know,
not having effect, we are told that they turned the
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world that type, they turn their wild upside down. There
could be a reason why that one happened. Jesus spend
quality time with it. He spent almost half of his
time his public ministry. He spent half of that just
to build solid foundation because he knew that if he
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does that one right, then there will be effective in
their ministry.
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And they will be effective, you know, in their lives.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And so the big question is, how then do do
we choose what our foundation will be?
Speaker 4 (16:35):
That's a big question. How do we choose the material
for foundation?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Because when you're building a foundation, uh, then then it
is down to the kind of materials.
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That you use for foundation.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
That's basically when it comes to the Christian life, you know,
and even for us with disciple makers as we as
we are disciple in others, what are the foundational materials
that we use, you know, you just to to build
you know, an individual. And first June chapter two, verse six,
a very very hey Kivas. He says, weever claims to
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live in him must work as Jesus did. Quite an
amazing scripture there. Weaver claims to leave in Jesus must
work as Jesus did. And so the big question is
how and is it possible for us to walk the
way he walked? And that's that's a big question. Somebody says, okay,
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what's God and all? That is not possible for us.
But he showed us the way, He showed us how
to live. You know, he he he was he had
confidence and he was sure enough that we were capable,
through the power of the Holy Spirit, of course, to
live the life that he lived, you know. And so
when it comes to picking the foundation, it's important for
us to look at some of the foundational principles that
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Jesus that we have seen in the life of of
of of a life and ministry of Jesus, and of
the foundational principle is a Holy Spirit empowered life. We
see that in the life of Jesus Christ, everything about
him was about the Holy Spirit. His conception was through
the power of the Holy Spirit. He was led to
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the wilderness to be tempted.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
You know, by the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
When he spoke about the you know, he spoke so
clearly what I would refer to his Papa statement says,
the whole the Spirit of God is upon me, for
He has anointed me.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Everything that Jesus Christ did was through the power of
the Holy Spirit. He was led by the Holy Spirit,
and and and and he was clearly letting his deship
pers know that there is a foundational principle that is
really really key and important for their own for their
for for their life, and for the ministry. He realized
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that for them to be effective even in what he
had called.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Them to do.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
It is important for them to rely on the power
of the Holy Spirit, you know. And Jesus Christ was
so criategor recall, he was so clear to his disciples,
and he told them, yes, I'm living, but do not.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Live Jerusalem, and til you.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Are endowed with powerfulm on high, when the Holy Spirit
will come upon you, you're going to be my witnesses.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So it was very, very clear, was telling them.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And I had this conversation yesterday that Jesus Christ was
with his disciples.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
You know, God with us in Manuel, God with us.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
But the Holy Spirit is God in us, empowering us
to be effective in what he has called us to do.
And sometimes we want to passive these other things when
it comes. When it when our Christian life and we
ignore the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
And there's nothing that we can do meaningful.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
There's no way we can be effective in our ministry
life if we.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Do not rely on the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And so Jesus Christ insisted that it was important that
they be empowered by the power of the Holy Spirit.
And this is out saying quotes one of the foundational materials.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
That are really important and necessary.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You know, you know, you know, you know, in a
Christian life, you know, for us to be effective as Christians.
And another foundational principle that we see that Jesus Christ
emphasized so much on on on the on prayer, he
taught them to to be prayerfully dependent. You know. We
see more than thirty times in the New Testament where
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in the Gospel actually.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Where prayer has been modeled by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And and several times we see that every time during
those times when Jesus spread something happened. And even when
these disciples came and asked him, Lord, teach us how
to pray, they saw him prayer and and and there
were there were conscious of the fact that every time
Jesus praid, something did happen, you know, something supernatural didn't happen.
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And so he taught them to be prayerfully dependence, you know,
And this is a foundational principles. You know, sometimes when
we talk about prayer, we we we always think that
prayer is only when we come to God and we
need and be asking him to do. You know, it's
like wish list to come with this shopping list is
like it's like a supermarket Worldmark, for example, here in
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the US, and you just that you walk and show
what you want and you walk away. No, prayer is
that relationship that we have with God. You know, you know,
it's it's it's it's it's the intimacy. You know, Prayer
brings intimacy, you know, it's it's it's it's a it's
a vertical. We have intimacy with God. It's horizontal when
we have when we have you know, a relationship and
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fellowship with others. You know, prayer is not just a
wish list or a shopping list.
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That that you bring to God.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Prayer is actually relating and fellowship and with God. You know,
prayer is having an opportunity to hear from Him. You know,
I have I'm far away from home right now, several
miles away from home, away from.
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My family, you know, you know, my wife and.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Kids and all that, you know, but we keep talking.
We keep you know, doing you know, online talking and
conversation is going on. And that conversation helps me to
be updated on what is happening back at home.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That keep them updated on what is happening back here.
And that's what prayer does. When when when we pray,
the Lord updates us of the having things that are happening.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
He you know, we we we.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Don't walk this life as if we are blind, but
we walk in the light because prayer helps us to
do that, and it helps us to understand the mind
of God. The Book of Romans, chapter eight, I can't
remember the boss. The Bible says, for we do not
know what we ought to pray for. But the Spirit
of God is the seed for us with gross that
are not why because the spirit of God knows the
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mind of God. Because the Spirit of God knows the
mind of God, he reveals to us that mind of God,
so that.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
We are to pray according to the God.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So Jesus is so clear to his disciples as you know,
they have to be only spirit and power, but they
need to depend, you know, they have to leave a
prayer for dependence life as a key foundational priscos. And
then the other thing that is really really a key
foundational principle is obedience.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
To the Kingdom and gender.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You realize that Jesus Christ in you know, when he
started his minis to the Bible says that he went
to the synagogues. You know, preaching, teaching and preaching the
message of the Kingdom.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He wanted them to understand how the Kingdom of Plates.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
He wanted them to have you know, and sometimes we
lansk to ask yourself, okay, when we talk about the kingdom,
I don't want to be theological about it. But my
understanding of the Kingdom of God is is where the
sovereignity of God is being acknowledge and submitted to, you know,
because you can you can you can you can acknowledge
the sovereignty of the king, but you're not submitted to
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his sovereignty, you know. And so when you talk about
the Kingdom of God, he made them understand who the
king was. He made them understand the principles of the kingdom,
but he wanted them to submit themselves to the sorevinity
of His Father, you know, and understand.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
That you know that the principles of the kingdom.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And so this is a foundational principle that is very important,
and I think Christoph Fred sometimes we have men and
women who are in the kingdom, but they're not submitted
to the king you know.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
They are in the.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Kingdom, but they don't want to, you know, adhered to
what the king, you know, is wants.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Then they want to live their own lives.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
You know, they want to live as if they are
not submitted to anyone.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
You know, he is not the master of your life.
That he is not the master at all.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
You get the point important And to find that Jesus
Christ all along keep talking about he was talking.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
So much about the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
He wanted them to want standard of the kingdom now
and the kingdom to come.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
You know, we add in the Kingdom of God yesterday.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I was I was impressed when we you know, those
those analogy that was brought about an ambassador who represent
the interests you know, of of of of of the
sending authority, and and and and we we we are
a bassadores yah, you know, we are ambassadors.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Or the kingdom, you know, very important.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
And that that's one of the things that.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
The Americans mindset is a little different than the European mindset,
and that we we really don't have a very good
concept of kingdom.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Yes we don't.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
We're not under a king or we're under you know,
a different form of government.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yes, and so it's a little more difficult for us
to relate sometimes to them. But the sovereignty of God,
the the just you know that that picture isn't as
clear as it is in some places where they have
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more of a king or or something that over the
country and have a sovereign So but it doesn't really matter.
We can come, we can we can learn, we can
all learn. You know what that means? And uh, And
but the foundational thing is do we submit to it?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I think the word is really more about submission.
In whatever authority you might be under, you understand the
word submission exactly, and you know there we have to
be able to submit our will, our desires to you know,
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the leadership you know of either the government or but
more importantly to God exactly. And in order to do
that you have to have trust, true, very true. Submission
is always based on trust, yeah, very true. And so
if I trust you will then all submit.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
If I don't trust you, I might want to submit
to meet you.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
And I think that it's quite quite as I said
in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
You can at acknowledge, yeah, but you don't submit. Acknowledging
is not a phenomenon of submission, right.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
You get the point, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Maybe coming from Africa whereby we have those the monarchy kind.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Of rule, we somehow understand, you know, you know what
it is.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But I think that Jesus Christ is emphasis the emphasis
that he had during those eighteen to twenty four twenty
five months that between that, you know, it is between
eighteen that he was with his disciples and he's building
you know, those foundational principles. He wanted them to understand,
you know, the kingdom.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
You know, he's trying to hand them, yes, the knowledge
that they could.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
But I love the part though, when he finally gets
to the place of where he says, okay, now you
go do it.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Go ahead, Yeah, you know, they're transferred, they're transferred from
trust and him to trust completely. And when you do
it and in us I've told you about the kingdom.
I've told you about the agenda of the Kiddo. I
want you to be obedient to the kingdom agenda, you know,
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And so going out there and making disciples is an
act of obedience. It is to the agenda of the king.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
But it's also a trust because we have to we
have to get back to the point of.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Of of an origin of things.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know that the disciples folding around is basically showing
tail for you know, three and a half years. Yeah,
and you know, they they were all completely convinced that
he could do it. Yes, but they weren't going evinced
that they weren't at all convinced that they could do it.
And whenever he said I give you power, I appropriate
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the authority that I have, and I give you the
power to do the same.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Thing that I have done. Now, then that's a whole
different show.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
And it's one thing to be a disciple that observes
and watches somebody else do it. But it's a whole
different story whenever a disciple says, I'm appointed and anointed.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
And called to do this me, Yes, I am.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I am in the position that I need to do
exactly the same things that Jesus did.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
And he went out and he healed the sick, he
cast out devils, he raised the dead, and he preached
the gospel in power.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And he told them and as he was sending them,
he told them to God to preach the message of
the Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
All that was in authority. That was just the authority
the believer. Pentecost had even happened.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Yet, Yeah, true, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
We talked about being filled empowered by the Holy that
hadn't even happened yet. So he's handing his authority of
the kingdom to these four guys, and he's still and
he's still gives he hasn't retracted that every believer, every disciple,
still has the power to walk in those those same things.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
And he says, so all the things that he did.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He says, all authority in heaven, and that has been
given to me. And he never gave us a quarter.
He gave us they said all authority. You know, sometimes
we think that okay, he just took a little bit
of pusht say. You know, you know, like you know, no, no, no, the.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Same same authority.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
You know that the you know, the all authority that
he was given, the fullness of it is I'm given.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And that's exactly what the Sitan wants. You want to get.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Your authority away from you if he wants to subjugate
it over to himself, and he won't be able to operate.
And that's from the beginning, that's what he that that
that was his plant. And you know, unfortunately, we don't
want to become disciples, yes and operate in the authority
that we've been given and operate in the gifts because
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we now that Pentecost has come and we have we
have a lot more available, yes even much much more,
but we still relegate it to not a very high
level of our understanding of what we have. And I
think that one of the big steps of making the
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disciples is helping.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Them understand who it is they really are.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
So it's really more about identity and the identity that
we have in Christ and the authority that we have
been given and the empowerment that He has has bestowed
upon us think to do the works of the kingdom.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I think I think one of the things that certain
will do is you will make you question your identity.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
He did it for Adam and Eve, but that they
did not read it, you know. He did it for.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Jesus if you're truly sign, and then you'll do it
for a believer, you know, just bringing you to a
point that you doubt who you are.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
You doubt, you doubt even if you have that authority
quite quite great.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And and and the other the other foundational principle is
the centrality of the world, you know, and we see
this strongly with our Lord Jesus Christ that that that
that everything that he did was was about the world.
He came to the book of Matthea like what the
Book of Marthy brings it out that that everything it
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was there to fulfill what was prophesied. You know, So
everything that Jesus, Jesus did, he wanted them to depend
that everything should be you know, should be.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Centered on the world of God.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
That was really really really important because you know, I
think that when it comes to you know, when it
comes to this foundational principle is it's it's it's important
every day, very very important for us to realize that
that the Word of God has to be set all
in everything that we do. You know, we wish everything
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that we do as believers should anchored.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
On the Word of God.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And so he left, he says, he speaks to us
through his son, speak to us through his word. In
the beginning those on that word was with God, that
would be and that word has been made manifest today
behold in his glory.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
So it's it's for for a believer to grow strong.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
A foundational principle that is important is the centrality of
the Word of God.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
The centrality of the Word of God.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And then the other one was the principle that the
foundational principle that Jesus cassemphasize was exalting the Father.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
And this is around the issue of worship, is around the.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Issue of honoring God in our actions and in our attitude.
And I guess that most of the time that's where
people struggle with. People struggle with honoring God. And when
we talk about worship, worship is not just the words
that you expressed. It's part of it. It's not just
the good music than we listen. Worship is are you
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honoring God? Are you exalting God in your actions.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
And even in your attitude? You know?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And the mind is a strong you know. It says
where the mind goes, the man will follow. And one
of the things that the enemy would want to attack
is your mind, you know. And the Bible tells us
for us to have that mind of Christ. But the
bubble also tells us for us to be, you know,
to be transformed by the renewal of the mind.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
You get the point. And so if we are exalting God, how.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Do we bring a believer to a point whereby they're
exalting God, they're worshiping God in what they do, but
also in their attitude.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
That is really really important.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And the area is a found principle that we see
Jesus Christ emphasizing. And the last foundation of principle is
the issue of relationships. And this is where I want
us to have, you know, kind of a discussion with you,
because I think that most people.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Struggle, you know, when it comes to relating.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
To the Father and relating to each And I think
that when Jesus Christ is talking to his disciples, you
realize that he's emphasising so much about building a community
of love. You know, when he talks about us loving
our enemies, he's talking about the issue.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
For if your brother wrongs you and all that. You know,
if you're going to.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Offer, if you're going to offer a sacrifice, you know,
and you realize that you're not in good.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Terms with your brother and all that. And I think
that it's for me.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I always feel that it's a foundational principle that people
struggle with because in terms of building healthy relationships, he
seems like he's emphasising on us having a community of love,
you know, community of acceptance, you know, and community of papers.
And I think that across the board, even within the
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Christian community, whether enough for go Yes, I think that
there seems to be kind of a kind of a
struggle when it comes to that.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, a little bit of a struggle in there. I
think the reason that we have the struggle with that
is that we don't know how to communicate with him.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
More.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
The better we get to know how to communicate with him,
the better we'll communicate with our wife, and the better
will with our pastors and the people that are around us.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
That if the scriptures say that the Holy Spirit is
here to teach us all things.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
We have native knows all things and that, you know,
we a lot of.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
People want to spiritualize that, you know, and just say, well,
that's just the things you've got.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I mean it's like, how to you know, if I
don't know how to close and my.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Wife is gone. Yes, Lord, I don't need your help.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
The red sox when you comes back, he would get
down to the fundamental.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
You get down to the real you know, and the
everyday needs.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
And the more we really develop relationship with this Holy
God that we can't see, yes, the better we're going
to be able to perform the relationship with people that
we can't see.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
And and and I think that you know, in the
in the initial schange of my presentation, and I said
that if you don't get the fundations right.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Then you love the foundational teachings, the whole whole serious thing.
And I like the point that you started with the
Holy Spirit, because that's us today. Yes, okay, the disciples,
the following Jesus around didn't have that option.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yes, but we do.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yes, yes, And so once you're born again, you also
need to be empowered.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And that doesn't have to be a big separation.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
That can be you know, right after you get born again,
you can also get filled the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And maybe what I want to you know, for the
years that are watching, you know, you know, sometimes we
can be struggling, you know, a Christian life and a
Christian world. Yes, and we we do kind of have
this you you know, you experience without they evolving door.
You're in, your out, you're in, you out and this this,
this is happening repeatedly, and you ask yourself, you know,
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how am I not Christian?
Speaker 4 (38:37):
You know, a strong Christian, a better Christian?
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Sometimes you you you ask yourself, how are others copying.
I mean, I see brother Fred, I see brother Samson
here it could be like the extraordinary. No, no, there's
nothing extra ordinary.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
You know. There are principles that if you have.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
A good grasp of it, they will help you to
be you know, to be effective. There's no perfect Christian
out to me, you know. We we are also growing
into the and is helping. You know, our righteousness, our
rightiousness is like filthy rags before him.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
So it is the righteousness of Christ has been imputed
in us.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
God maybe him who has no sin to become since
so that we can become you know, we can be
rights standing.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
With gold, you know. But the foundational principles are really
really important.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Could be that that that you're not really really you're
living a life that you want to live it on
your own without depending on the Only Spirit, without empowered
by the power.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Because the Only Spirit does not force himself into your life.
Is a gentleman, you know, it's just for you to
yield yourself to the Holy Spirit, so that the Holy
Spirit the life that we live, we don't live by
our own power. The Spirit of God who is in
us helps us to live this life. You know and
it is a foundational principles. It's quite amazing that Jesus
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been God but still relied on the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
You know that that person of the Trinity in all that.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
And and and all that and and and and could
be also could be about.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Your prayer life. He could be.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
How often do you have time just to to to
communicate with your Father in heaven? You know, you know
somebody has somebody somebody was telling me that, you know,
why why is it that everything that you want to do?
You know you you have to ask God about you
have to pray. Say, but he's my father, He's Michael.
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He knows me, he knows the future, he knows he
knows everything about my life and and and what a
beauty if I ask him about the decisions I want
to make?
Speaker 4 (40:43):
What are beauty? When? When?
Speaker 3 (40:44):
When? When?
Speaker 4 (40:45):
When?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
When I talked to him about the fears that I
have the beauty of just proving myself and just leaning
on his chest and say, Father, I'm just here not
to ask you for anything, but just to relate and
and have a conversation with you.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
You know, you know, you know.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
You you are a product of your prayer life. No
money is no man is greater than his prayer life.
And we see that Jesus Christ should early in the morning,
when it was still dark, Jesus went.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Into a solitary place and there he prayed.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
You know, we see him every opportunity that he had,
he had an opportunity to fellowship with the Father, you know, Yeah,
and so and so so it could be, you know,
it's down to the prayer life and the issue of
the kingdom.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
You know, you know, are you obedient to the agenda
of the kingdom? You know?
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Do you even know the agenda of the kingdom? And
how how do you know? That?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Is through the power the Holy Spirit and just getting
into the world. You know, the word of God.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Jesus Christ spelled out, you know, numerous agenda of the kingdom,
you know. And I could be that if there's anything
that he wanted his disciples and during that context of
that particular time, they're waiting for a king to come
and you know, you know, and and there's one disciple
ask him, when are you going to restore to us
the kingdom?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
We all get it ahead. We all want to get
ahead of what God God wants to do.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yes, And he said and then he should receive power
when the Holy Spirit comes upon it. In fact, he
answered that question by saying, he never said, you know,
it is this and it's not your time to know
when passed, they need to receive, will be able to
have an experience of the kingdom. And then how how
hard is it when it comes out with what do
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people do? We study the words? You know, do we
practice it? We just hear us of the words, but
we're not doing.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Us of the world, you know, And I think that's
probably more the case than we wish that it was.
You know, very there are few people that study the
word and they get phartacetical, and.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
They and they and they.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Get into the word and the word becomes their God.
And it's not it's not.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
That's not the purpose of the word. The word is
is God, but it's not, it's not.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
You know, you're taking your focus off of Jesus and
putting it over onto his word. And so if you
my wife used to write me a little love notes
whenever we were separated and we were going to two
different colleges or something, she'd send me a note or whatever,
you know, and I'd get it and I'd read it.
But it would be stupid for me to to be reading.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Her her little letter, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
And if she came in person and I would keep
reading a letter, don't follow me.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I want to read this letter, I hear.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I mean that's stupid, right, you know, it's just foolish.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
And so sometimes we get so and for all of
them trying to study the word or trying to and
and the purpose of that is that we want to
know more than somebody else, you knows, so.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
We can appear.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
But you know, it's it's we want to do others.
We want to prive cry thing.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
We want to show people how deep Jesus never wanted
us to be, you know, it just wanted us to
just I just mentioned that, you know, when I was
dating my life, you know, your little courtship and all that.
So we used to write these letters to each other,
to fred all that. And then then we got married,
and part of stuff that we had in the closet
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was those letters that I used to read, you know.
But now yes, those letters are beautiful, great, but I
have a han with me and all that.
Speaker 3 (44:38):
It's real fun. The thing is what you want to
her the shadow.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
And sometimes and I love their knowledge in the sense
that sometimes Christ to come and even when it comes
to the issue press, sometimes we worship, pray, you know,
you know, Christ to come and your praying and and
and he's tapping you and say, I want to have
a conversation, don't.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
You see on prey? You know, yet he wants to
relate with you and all that.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
And I think that if they're well, if we get
it right, even when it comes to these additional principles,
then we cross believes, yeah, absolutely, yeah, and growing growing.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
In him and knowing him better and better.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
It's just like, you know, I've been married to my
wife for fifty three years, and we dated seven before that,
so we've been hanging around together sixty years.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
And so we know each other pretty well. And you
know it.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
There's no substitute for that. Yeah, you know, I know
her much better now than when I knew her when.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
She was twenty Yes, you know, even.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Though I've been married to her for maybe a little while.
But you know, it's just it's just we grow in
our relationship, and the same thing.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
With the Lord.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
The longer we know God, the more we discover who he.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Is, what what makes him happy, what makes him, how
he responds to him and is that and and so.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
We never we never cease being a disciple.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Yes, you don't have it, gruel, don't.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Ever outrow being a disciple a learner, because you're continuously
learning what your spouse, what some of her and some
of her needs will change, and so our direction of
what we do and how we address and how we
the things that how we respond, they'll change from time
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to time and do some some of those things that
we used to do we don't do anymore because it's
just not necessary.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Now there's other areas that we need to focus on.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
And the big question would be then and sometimes maybe
you can be watching as the end, The big question
is what do I do to maybe what.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
The fundational the foundational wrong? So what do they need
to do? What is it? Yeah, and and and and
then the question that I will really ask you again
if if if you realize that there are some cracks
in the world of your house, and to.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Realize that those cracks are because of the faulty foundation,
what do you do?
Speaker 4 (47:21):
See there's a big question, because you can.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Never ever ever, you know, just wish all we a
faulty foundationship.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yes, you know well, and the very first foundational thing
is you must be born again. You must be born again,
and uh, you know, and so I really want you
to kind of address the audience here and if there's
anybody that that needs to be born again, we need
to know about that. If it's anybody just needs to
be filled with the Holy Spirit, yeah, that can happen
right here, right now. And we also have a prayer line.
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I'll put that up. But I want to just kind
of let let Samsung close this out here by by
addressing you. I want to pull the third dimension in
here and let you know that it's not just me
and Samson having a conversation here, but but you're participating,
You're watching, You're you're you're involved in that's saying too.
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If you have some need, well then we want to
address those need drive now.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
Yes, my friend, my brother and sister.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I mean, I gave my life to Christ as a
sixteen year old boy. I was struggling with identity. I
didn't know my passion, my purpose in life. I was,
I mean lost, you know, into the things of the
world and all that I had. A gospel been presented
to I realized that Jesus Christ had died on the
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cross for me, that if if at all I was
the only scene.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
At that particular time in the world, we could have
still died for me.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
You know. You know, while we were yeting, I was saying,
Christ died for us. And so almost thirty two years ago,
I have seen Jesus Christ and the impact that you know,
he has had in my life.
Speaker 4 (49:02):
I have an assurance of an afterlife. I know that
even if my life is done today, I'll be with him.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
But he wants us to have, you know, life and
have it more abundantly here. And so if you're there
and you have not said yes to the Lord Jesus Christ,
if you're there and you know you you you're wondering
what is that that I need to do to please him?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
It's very easy. He died on the cross. He died
for us, so that by accepting his death and the.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Resurrection of the cross, we be able to be restored
back to the Father. You know, one thing God said
his son to bridge that grap between him and offended.
Speaker 4 (49:42):
God and a man that was that was not There's
nothing that he.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Could do by himself, you know, you know, And there's
no way we could reconcile ourselves back to the Father,
but accept our Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
So I want to give an opportunity today the way
I did that two years ago.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Today can be the most important day in your life.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
This moment, this time could have been.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
It can be one of them, you know, the transformative.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
And turnaround moment in your life.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
And I really want to pray with you that you
may be able to give your life to Christ.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
You're hearing you're a believer, and you hear.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Us having this conversation, say, how can it be true
for me? Can I be empowered by the power of
the Holy Spirit? Can I be someone who exhort God through.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
My attitude and through my Actually it's possible. The Holy
Spirit will help you to do that.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
And maybe you're out there and you're watching this, and
you're listening to this, and you have a particular need.
You have a particular need that you want us to
God to step in. I don't know what it is,
but God knows. You're going to pray together. So let's
us pray with you right now now. Father, in the
name of Jeesus, assuming we thank you this day, We
thank you this moment for an opportunity that You've given
us to be here.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
I pray for that brother of.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
There, Pray for that sister out there who deep within
their spirit they know that they need to be reconciled
back to God. I pray, my Father, Lord, that even
as they take that step to say yes to You,
that you'll be able to accept them and forgive them
or their sues, that they may be able to start
this new journey, a journey that has a time of
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life at the end.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Of it of God.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
A prayer for a believer out there who is struggling
in this life, this Christian life. A prayer to your
spirit the way it happened during the day of Pedecost,
that the spirit of God will rest upon them in
a great and mighty way to help them Jehovah, God,
to overcome whichever struggles they have in the name of
Jesus Christ, that they be able to live for You,
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exulting You and glorifying You in everything that they do.
A prayer for those who have needs out there. Pray
for them, Lord God Almighty, that or whatever it is
a prayer may step in. A prayer for your intervention
in the name of Jesus, be it healed, be t restoration,
bid provision, bid protection, big decisions that they need to
make of God, and they desire you to help them.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Blood.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
I pray that right now, as they hear this, as
I watch this, there is spirit will help them Jehovah God,
and Lord, they'll have a testimony of your greatness of Jehovah.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
God.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
I know that the people out there were ready to
go Lord, even to save you, to share the gospel.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
I pray your oh for.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
God, that is spirit really empower them, the Lord God,
because the harvest is ready.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
I mean, they go into the harvest field of Jehovah
to the glory and on of your name. We love you, Lord,
and we bless you in Jesus' name. Ch Amen. Thank
you so much, Thank you for Thank you so much.
Thank you so much. That was really great.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
I appreciate Listen to prayer line is open area code
eight oh six three four zero zero one six two
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call that number that speak English, Spanish. Both of those
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languages are available through some They may not give one
that speaks the one that you need, but we'll try
to get you over to quick. But anyway, We we
just want to offer the opportunity for everybody to pray
that prayer with that with something that that that they
get a minister to one way or another. And uh,
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next week join us again. I have we have Ron
Anslow with us next week. It's gonna be a good
time coming up. And uh, there's just some awesome things
going on. No, Ron's going to be tomorrow and next
week Sampson will be be on down the road just
a little bit.
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We're recording.
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I keep forgetting hey, get you back to Kenya.
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Anyway, We're gonna wait by our for now right now.
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