S6E39-Brent Caporale

Unity vs Division
Character development, Leadersip and Love in action

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
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to do that. That's always appreciated, Brent. Brent Hughes says, Hi,
Brent Capriel and as our guest tonight. And I'm just
so excited about having him with us. He's a teacher,

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and so I'm gonna just let him. I'm gonna get
out of the way pretty quickly here and and just
let him teach tonight. And he has some good things
on on the Word coming out of the Word of God,
and that's always good. So he's a good teacher and preacher.
And and we want to we want to just welcome
you the viewer, to be able to kind of chime

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in and and uh, if you have comments or anything,
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You and your wonderful wife, Jennifer. We've known you for

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a while and I'll tell you what, it's been a good,
good relationship with enjoy knowing your little bird. Y'all are
meeting now on a Thursday.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, that's correct, So we're meeting it coust On Ministries
on Thursday night.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Tell us about what where your meeting and kind of
how people might be able to hitch up with that.
We do have something people here in ameral area that Yeah,
he's a little closer than mine. Well, there's I guess
we're on there. Sure, I think we just knocked the

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knocked the camera off. I'm not really sure what happened there. Okay, anyway,
we've had some ups and downstown out already.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, I think there's an adversary that's trying to stop
us and talking tonight. He's always at work because I
understand you really haven't gone through these many complications. So
he can't silence the word of God. He can't silence
the power of the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, the first thing I want to say to you
is thank you so much for having me on the show.
And I really love you and wife or precious wife,
and I appreciate it. Thank you for your patience. I
appreciate it. I know you've tried to get me on
the show several times that I've just been so busy
here lately. So thank for here and I appreciate it
that time he worked out.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
It's it's good. I know. You know, Jennifer is a
lovely lady and we just uh if you might even
say your car are real careful bus you might. But
she's also quite a minister of the of the gospel
as well. Yeah, you're You're just a gift to the
body and appreciate.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, you guys are too.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna quickly get out of the
way and let you. Let you take over here because
I know you have a word, and I know that
you have a good solid word for the for the
body to want to get to that quickly. So okay,
take your take your liberty, and okay, you just kind
of get out of the out of the way here.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
So the first thing I want to say is that
this is something that's been in my heart. It's been
months now, something I've been wanting to talk about, something
I've been wanting to dress and wake of the recent
events and these things that are taking place here in
our country, I think it's timely. It's what they call cairos,
timing God's divine time to act right now. Not chronos,
but cairos tonight, and so I'm gonna jump, you know,

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right on into it. The first thing I want to
tell you is that when I speak about what I'm
speaking about, it is the believer to the believer, not
the believer for the unbeliever. That's very important for you
to understand. And So I want to talk about something.
And if I was going to tag a title of
a text or that, it would say division amongst us.
So I want to talk about division amongst us and

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how the power of You solve that problem. It's a
big problem, you know, in the Body of Christ. And
so if we don't get some things straightened out here,
we're going to be real big trouble. We're gonna gonna
we're going to fail and we're going to fall. We
don't we don't, you know, address this topic. It's concerned
in the Body of Christ. So I want to pray

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real briefly and then we'll get into it. Well the God,
I thank you tonight, Lord, God, that you would ordain
this moment God, and that is a chirost moment. I
thank you God that tonight Lord, that they would have
eyes to see what the scriptures are saying about this subject. God,
and Lord, that the spirit of conviction would be upon
their heart or God, that they would tune into their

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ears the gospel, that they would tune their ears to
the spirit of the Most High God that wants to
speak to them and talk to them tonight. And I
thank you for this. I seek to give you glory
and you glory alone. No man will steal your glory.
O God, we know what happened to Herod did book
of that? So Father, I pray tonight, Lord, that my

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mouth would be a mouthpiece. God. Lord, we thank you
for this opportunity like this to mister and ask a
blessing upon read a huge show that this would go out.
And even if it's just one or a thousand, Jesus Name. Okay,
So I was telling you, it's addressing the believer, not
the believer. The first passage we're going to go into

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is First Corinthians one ten through twelve. And I'll read
to here real quick. Sorry, it might be taking off
my glasses on and off, because I mean I need
to get some new ones here. I need to make
an adjustment. So okay, now I plead with you, brethren,
by the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that you
all speak the same thing, and that there'll be no
divisions amongst you, but that you perfectly joined together in

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the same mind, in the same judgment. Or it has
been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those
of Chloe's household, that there are contentions among you. Now
I say this, that each of you says, I am
of Paul, or am I of Apollos? Or am I
have a Cephis? Or I am of Christ? Is Christ divided?

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Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in
the name of Paul? So the first thing I want
to note is that Paul is writing the Corinthians Church,
and he's writing to them, and the very first thing
I think is powerful as he's addressing the dimsion, the
divisions amongst them, and that they all speak the same thing. Uh,
the Corinthians Church was jacked up. There's no other way

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to say that. I mean, they were really doing some
crazy things that were going on and taking place, and
and and the truth is is that it was happening
then and it's still happening now. It's happening in the
body of Christ. So there's nothing different. The Bible says
there's nothing new, and so there's still divisions amongst us.
And I noticed that when Paul started it out, he said,

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I plead with you, brethren. And so if Paul is pleading,
there's something serious going on, you know, in the Body
of Christ. And so if Paul were alive today, Fred,
you were alive today, Fred, I believe we'd be getting
a letter. Matter of fact, I believe we'd be getting
multiple letters. It would start out like this to the
church first Corinthians like it was in that it'd be

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first Americans, second Americans, third Americans, fourth Americans, and probably
even more than that. And so we'd be getting many
letters in here. But what's taking place in this church
is that there's sexual immorality happening. There is a plethora
of that taking place. There's the perverting of spiritual gifts.

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There's contentions, there's fights, there's people following leaders like we
have today now in the Body of Christ, saying I
am a follower of this pastor in town. I am
a follower of this pastor in town. So they were
exalting themselves because they were connected to a person, not
connecting to God. And what were Fred and I were
talking about earlier is that you know, I believe we

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got something serious in the body. You know, instead of
telling so many secrets, we need to get into the
secret place. We need to go vertical, hey man, not horizontal.
And so we're looking for things, and leaders we're looking
for things, and family members were looking things when we
need to go directly to God on this subject, on
this topic. So yeah, there's a lot that's taking place there.

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And so this church is jacked up lack of better words,
there's just a lot that's going on. And so the
same thing is taking place today, and I want to address
this because I've seen just such an increase in this
take place. So I want to step into this and
kind of really work through this right now. And so

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he's addressing that we all speak the same thing and
that work. There's no divisions among us, so when we
are okay, So we have a ministry, and you know
many of you probably have ministries and those types of things.
So inside of ministry, we know that there's imperfect people.
And you don't get cleaned up before you go to

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the House of God or to the Church of God.
You go there so that the Lord can clean you up.
So there is a bunch of people that are coming
in that are imperfect. And I think that's the thing
the pressure that a lot of ministers get it from
the belief of the non believers on the outside is
that that place is perfect and it should be perfect,
and so there's not. So there's imperfect people. But just

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like the Corinthians Church, there's divisions that can happen among us,
and they do happen, and so obviously they've happened in
our ministries. So one of the things when I when
I am put in a position like that, I say, Okay,
when did this start? Who's involved in this? What person
or people at this point by now? And why did
this even start? Those are the things that I try

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to address when I see these things happening and taking place,
you know, inside the house of God. Why is this?
Why is this taking place? Why is this happening? And
those are the three things that you can do with
you so and those are all the things you really
need to know. So I love that all makes it
known that another congregate like Chloe's household. He throws Chloe's

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household underneath the bus. He says, Chloe's household, saying this
is going on. They know, and they're telling me. And
just because I'm not here doesn't mean I'm not going
to address it. And so just because we're not in
other places doesn't mean that we can't address some of
the things that are going on, you know, in the
in the world. So this is happening in the body
of Christ Christ worldwide, and we need to really get

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a grip on this thing that's taking place here. And
so what does the word division mean? First of all,
die means too and the vision can mean many things,
you know, it has many means. But in this case,
the vision means you're going down a path, a direction.
You've got the vision for this path. And so you

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put those things too together. Both those words die vision
means that got two visions, got two directions, And you've
got two people in here not unified at all. They're
going down these different paths. They're not they're not thinking
the same way. And this is causing serious problems inside
the Body of Christ. And like Fred and I were
talking about earlier, you know, this can be a hindrance

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the people that are really wanting to be there to study,
to prey and to receive things from them. Maybe they
are coming in and they're at their last leg. Maybe
they're maybe they're honestly thinking about suicide. They just want
to be acknowledged. The last thing they want to come
to is convention. The vision. Somebody's arguing they can get
that in the world. You know, it's just not supposed

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to be brought in the church. And so we know
that when this takes place in ministry, that it creates confusion,
it creates chaos, and that it needs to be addressed
fairly quick. Now. I'm one of the ones that I
like to take time, and I like to marinate, and
I like to go to the Lord. I like to
make sure that I don't jump so fast. I like

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to make sure that that He is in the middle
of this thing. Oh, and I don't make any rash decision.
But also in doing that, sometimes you can wait too
long and it can cause more damage. So so division
comes from the devil, and the devil has a much
different path for you. You don't believe it, you should

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just look and see what the world looks like. Because
every good and perfect gift comes from above. And if
it's good and perfect, it's God. If it's not, it's
from the devil. And so you can see that there's
a lot of things taking place from darkness, and it's
the palities that are taking place, you know. With that said,
and so the next thing I want to say is,

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let's talk about division. So Jesus is the only one
that's allowed to do and I say that he's the
one that is allowed to do that. He's the one
that said he would do not you not I. That's
not our job. We have a biblical mandate and that's it.
And so I want to go into a controversial topic.
Or I'd say a scripture and it's in Matthew ten

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thirty four, and I'll just read it off here. Do
not think that I came to bring peace on earth.
I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
Or I've come to set a man against his father,
a daughter against his mother, and a daughter in law
against her mother in law. And a man's enemies will

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be those in his own household. So what that's saying
is is that Jesus said this, He said a very
controversial topic, that he came to bring a sword. So
what does the sword do? Swords a weapon. It's going
to divide things left and right. So it's going to
pure in matter of fact, in scripture it says that
it's a double edged sword, so it's gonna pierce multiple things,

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multiple sides. And so that sword is him, it's the
word of God, it's the incarnated one. It's the one
that came down from heaven Jesus himself, and he said,
inside your household, this is what would take place. That
many people inside this household would be divided because they

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just do not simply, so this is what caused. So
this is between the unbeliever and the believer, not between
the believer and the believer. You know, that is how
that's supposed to take place. Because I've heard people use
the scripture way out of context, and it's just sometimes

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it is just blowing. I'd blowing fred. So I wanted
to clear that up because you know, I mean, that's
that's really really super important. I'm making sure that I
don't skip over anything. So be cautious, very very careful.
When when when you use your mouth, speak against your
own hope, never use your mouth cause division, and you

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you don't want to use it against yourself or others.
Proverbs eighteen twenty says twenty one says there's life death
in the tongue and those who love of it if
it's fruit. So there's fruit of death, fruit of life.
So I can speak life out of this same thing.
It's a This thing needs to be bridled, needs to

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be under control. It needs to have accountability. It needs
to have government oversight, you know how like you have
the FAA, the e A and the CIA, you know,
and all those oversights. We need to have that type
of stuff. Need to have accountability for what we say
and do that comparative and so we never use our
mouth speak against our own hope. So when you operate

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in that manner, you know, when you use your mouth
for something or destroy something or divide something, you're operating
out of the soulish part of your body. Okay, yeah,
that's the soulish part of your body. That's the that's
the place that's not been restored. You know, when you
get saved, your spirit is immediately set apart purpose. The

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Holy Spirit comes to live in your spirit, and that
spirit is that that part of your body, that spirit,
spiritual side is perfect. Soul is not. That's why sanctification
is what they call progressive work. You've got to work
down that path, you know, and to do that, and
so mine ruling. Yes, that's the perfect way to describe it.

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So you operate out of your emotions. Own will not
the word, So you don't want to operate out of
the soul. And so the tongue is very deadly. I'll
definitely say that. And so let's go to numbers that
numbers twenty one four through six. I want to speak

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about this, and so rumbling and complaining and not being
thankful and not being grateful, and those things have so
much power that you have no idea the power that
they so out of numbers twenty one four through six,

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you know, it talks about this, and basically I'll read it.
Then they journeyed from Mount hor by the way of
the Red Sea to go around that land of Edom,
and the soul, number of the soul, and the soul
of people became very discouraged on the way, and the
people spoke out against God and against Moses. So they

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were speaking out against God himself in the leadership Moses,
why have you brought us out of Egypt to die
in the wilderness, For there is no food, no water
in our soul cloths. That's worthless bread. So the Lord
sent fiery serpents among the people that the people, any
of the people, has died. So they spoke out against

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the leadership of Moses. They were grumbling, they were complaining,
they were causing divisions amongst them. They were not thankful
for having bred. I mean, man Fred, God brought them
out of Egypt, delivered them. He delivered them from Egypt.
And so man, they should be thankful. Four hundred prox

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me four hundred years of slavery that these people were in.
And I don't want to say this about deliverance. Some
people get delivered and they go right back. They want
to go right back to Egypt. So I say, man,
the Lord sets you free and delivers you. Guard that thing.
I heard that thing not in there. I just feel
like the Holy Spirit wanted to tell you that is that, Hey,
don't go back to Egypt. You know, don't look back,

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go forward. You're you're not going that way. Don't look back.
Your loyalty to the future has got to be greater
than your loud the pass when you walk through deliverance,
and like in this case, and so the main part
of this passage, when I want to take out of
this is be very careful how you wield your tone
making divisions. Because I'm thankful that Jesus Christ was sent.

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But in the Old Testament, God sent fiery serpents. It's
people that were doing this, and they died, they got
bit fiery serpents. Now God doesn't send fiery serpents in
the natural now these days. But I want to tell
you supernaturally, you've got to be careful because when you
use your mouth like that to divide people, what it
does is it opens up what we call a door.

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It's called a foothold, called a place. So Fred knows this,
we know this, We've talked about this. You give a
place to the devil, and if you give a place
to him, man, you give him an inch, she'll take
a mile. So you open up that door to your
to yourself. And then once that foothold has started, now
a stronghold becomes part of that, and it becomes a

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place there where that stronghold stays. And now you find
yourself in some serious trouble having to dismantle and tear
down a stronghold. Now your mind has has taken in
all kinds of things, and there's become strongholds inside there
that you have to literally work through and get deliverance
and get set for. They have to be dismantled, they
have to be taken down brick by brick, block by block,

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because a stronghold is just a fortified fortress of lies
being told to your oceans that held you aptive. So
now you're you're being held aptive like the Israelites were.
So don't use your mouth to speak against your own
hope of these you know, we've got to bridle these
tongs and proverbs six sixteen nineteen. You'll put it up,

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but I can just tell you this is that you know.
It starts out by saying, you know, six things, no,
seven things the Lord hates. So inside that passage it
says one of the things that he hates. Now, it's
not often that you see in patent scripture that you
know what the Lord hates. There's many things that he loves, loves,
there's some things that he hates. So he hates when brethren,

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brothers and sisters so discord. So some people think that
it's their job to get on social media just divide people,
destroyed people. Some people think that it's their job end
up slandering, gossiping all through the ministry, dividing people, tearing

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up the church just you know. And so he hates hates,
hates division, He hates those and what takes place as
a result of that that he doesn't send snakes in
the natural, but he sends spirituals. Doors open up, because
why wants bride wants as spotless once a community is

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a see here in later why I'm saying, okay, okay,
I don't know. I feel like those passages should give
us some revelation, some understanding. It's kind of like a mystery,
and that we need to bridle for that. So another
warning from God. It's Titus three ten and eleven. So

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I've got this in front of me too, as a
person who stirs up division after warning him once and
then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing
that such a person is wrapped well, he is self condemning.
That's Titus three and eleven, and that's the version. So

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Titus a young man charge with the church. Paul's given
him that, uh, there's division in the church, there's issues
like what's going on now? And he's saying, hey, stop,
this has happened once it's happened twice, and I'm not
three strikes, You're out. It's not one of those things.
We're going to stop this before this. So so again
they're causing issues inside inside and it's not just inside

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this This division thing is so massive that it goes
over the airwaves and it's happening like crazy, and so
we need to really get a grip on that. So
what he said is he said, hey, you know, since
you've caused up, you know, strife and division then and

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I've warned you once and I've warned you twice that
now I've got to say that you can. So so
they're kind of put out right and and you know,
unfortunately we've had to do this and it's not something
that I love. A matter of fact, I I really
don't like to do at all costs. And I know,

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you know, the Bible tells it this a protocol and
how to deal with these that's you know, that's one
of the protocols. You see them. You see the actual
protocol with the vision in Matthew. And so you know,
we want to love on people, but we want also
to have harmony and unity. And what it does is
it distracts the people that are inside there. Again, I'm

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going to revert back to what Fred and I were saying,
is that we're having conversations about this, and it stops
the move of God, it halts the Holy Spirit. And
actually the scripture you say, it says it wraps the person,
and so it does. It wraps them in sin, you know,
it wraps them in disobedience. What it does is that rapping,

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when that takes place, it constricts the Holy Spirit, doesn't
allow the Holy Spirit to move. We need to move
of the Spirit of God in the church now more
than ever. And we've seen a move of God and
revival the last couple of weeks with what took place
with Charlie Kirk, you know, and there's still divisions amongst that.
And I had to do something Fred that I never

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had to do twenty years of being a Christian. I
had to oh something on my social media page about
the division. And it was it was somebody I knew,
and I was explaining them that this is a this
is a rebuke to you that you should not be
dividing the Body of Christ through this posts or bring

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tensions visions. There's no h that person, you know, is
mature enough to know better. And so I've never had
to do something like that. And I think it was
because I was about to talk about this. You know,
He's like, let's just get this guy stirred up, you
know too, and so because he's talking about it and
let's not have power. So I did it according to
where I felt the Holy Spirit lead you. So so

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I just pray that the spirit of understanding come upon
you right now and some of the things I'm about
to say, because I'm about to say some hard things,
I hope you have me back on Fred, but I'm
gonna have to say some hard things and then we're
gonna shift it over to we're talking about disunity. We're
talking about division, and I'm shifted over to unity that
has been gracious to say. You know, I think I'm

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just want to want you to teach and I'll step
out tonight.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
We don't it's not easy to have. You know, situations
come up to where you know, we have to correct
a brother and sister in the Lord. And you know,
if you're a leader of a group or of a church, uh,
it's your responsibility to to bring to rightly divide the
word and try to bring understanding in and bring that

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unity together, because if everybody gets on the same page,
it gets in agreement with the word of God, then
we should be able to function together, one heart, one mind,
one spirit. It's whenever somebody gets double minded and starts,

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you know, offer rading and in the spirit of self yep.
A lot of times that's what will conjure up things
that that brings division and the leadership of the church
and or if you are just maybe just the division
is just between you and your friend. You know, the

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mature believer is going to have to stand up and
and brings reconciliation to the situation because without it, well
then there's a division. And that's what that's that foothold
you're talking about that the enemy has to get in
and build it, drive a wedge and do his destructive work.

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He comes only to steal, kill and destroy. Yes, that's
all that's all he's up to, and division is one
of the ways that he gets. So I'm sorry, I insert.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I love the I love the dialogue, and so I
know that you know, there's a protocol and we won't
get into it, but there's a protocol that that ministers
need to follow in order to do this in the
right heart of it, you know. And you know the
problem is, and I know Fred will hear my heart
on this, and not to offend him or anything like that,
because it's not him. If it was him, I wouldn't

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be here sitting and doing this podcast. But no offense.
But you know, there are people that have five hundred
dollars in a microphone they throw on a podcast and
they have not been tested, they have not grown their character,
you know. And they're building their platform on contentions, building
their platform on divisions, and you know, they want subs,
they want likes, they want those types of things, they

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want comments, and they think it's their job to call
everything out because they want to look like, you know,
they're doing what they're doing. They want to look like
the leader in the body of Christ. You know, they
want to look strong and courageous. But really what they're
doing is they're dividing. They're dividing the body of And
I know I would say this, I would say this,
you know, and I'm going to say this lovingly, but

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who marshaled you, who put a badge on you? You know?
Are you are you really supposed to be a digital
assassin in this time is that where you feel like
the oil of God on your life is taking you
And I don't believe that's that's the truth. So a

(30:21):
real leader will will unify people. They'll they'll bring them in,
they'll they'll they'll stir up strength, they'll get them to
to come in alignment, immunity, with a vision, with a goal,
with a purpose, you know, and they'll be headed down
the same direction. Now, of course we know there there
are some things that take place like this, but man,
this is something that we have got to look into,

(30:44):
look into it fast and address as the body of price.
Me as a leader, I feel like I have a
clarion call to talk about. And so I don't want
to stand in front of God and I don't want to.
I'll just say this, I don't want to stand in
front of God, and I hope you don't want to either.
Leader person that we're talking to right now, organization and him,

(31:07):
say on that day, why are your people that I
have given you in this sheepfold that you are to guide,
Why are they so ignorant of the word, They don't
under they don't know it. Why do they not know
how to operate and walk spirit Where was the power?

(31:29):
And so I've got a divine responsibility from God to
navigate this with wisdom, under standard, with love, but with authority.
Two and so and and I say that again. I
say that because it's important. So and uh leaders, I

(31:52):
feel this is imperative. Is that you know, if we're
going to examine correct people, which we have to, and
if you're a leader on a podcast, you know, uh,
you know the same thing must happen too if you're
correcting other ministries. I feel like you should reach out
to them personally, follow follow a protocol that you have,

(32:13):
you know. And the only way that people are going
to uh receive correction in this hour because there's a
spirit of lawlessness upon them, sin is rampant and bound
rebellion is inside of them is if you have relationship.
So relationship relational, invitational, relationship correctional. So you're correcting them

(32:34):
by having a relationship because then you can speak into
them because they want to see inside of you if
you're walking the walk and talking the talk. Because so
many ministers have fallen, so many minutes have said one thing,
their lips say one thing, but their actions and they
show another thing, and so so they're like, I don't
really want to hear it from this person that's randomly

(32:54):
saying this to me. So when you're when you're doing that,
have a relationship with that at least know them, you
know how to sit down some of those things. Do
you have the ability to speak into their life? You know,
I think that's important for it, don't you absolutely?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
And you know one of the things about it, you
you mentioned character, and that's the whole the whole basis
for ministry is that of that Jesus demonstrated. It's concerning
love and you have to do all of these things.
You know, we bring correction, but we bring that correction

(33:34):
in a spirit of love, because you know, we're not
there to tear down a brother. We're there to build
them up or there to bring a correction so that
things will be unified once again and a restoration of
of all good things will come from that rebuke. Sometimes,

(33:55):
you know, a rebuke can be with malice, or rebuke
can be with love. And you know, Jesus was was
the absolute epitome of rebuking in love. And that's what
we need to do is emulate him. We're we you
know the whole the character that you operate in is

(34:16):
going to is going to set the tone of your
minister and if and if and if you're there to
get you know, lives and and all of that, like
you mentioned, your podcast is probably going nowhere. But you know,
if you're there to bring the truth and rightly divide

(34:36):
the truth and explain it and build up the body
with then you'll go a long way and you'll create
that unity in the body that we need so badly.
And so it's just a matter of check your heart,
check your character. Are they right? You know? Are you

(34:57):
are you? Are you willing to move and do the thing.
And sometimes God will as a leader, cause you to
bring a rebuke to somebody, and other times he'll cause
you to come and bring bring an act you know,
building you know, complementary, you know, to build them up

(35:20):
and to lift them up, you know, and and pick
up somebody that has maybe fallen, uh maybe take a side,
one that's been going down the wrong road and doesn't
have the character and help them develop that character. But
that's that's the whole deal of the body of Cross
has got to operate in love or it doesn't work
at all. And love cast out a multitude of sin.

(35:44):
So you know your brother and sister might might have
missed it really bad, but with a gentle, loving rebuke,
you can perhaps restore them to unity and to a
function of glory.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Well, let's get because that's where I was going next
with it. You're speaking about it. So the idea behind
it is for reconciliation. And we know that everybody arrives
on certain levels, they'll leave on certain levels.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
With We all have that ability because God said the
scripture says, did I gave you a word of reconciliation?
I gave you a ministry of reconciliation?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And so first, well you have to reconcile with God
and get our heart right.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yes, and then we're equipped to go and.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Wreck and bring reconciliation to other people.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
And so yes, and you look inward, you turn it
in word, you know, you say it yourself, like, hey,
you know I spent time asking the Lord if this,
I've been prayed about this, and you go to God
about this. I was saying a lot of times, I
see forty of people purchase isn't right in that situation
because there's no way that I would I would say
that they know that they went and prayed or if

(36:55):
they did prayed and they were an intercession with God
session session, I would tell them, but in this inner
in this way, you know where it causes division and
contention where it doesn't literally like like like shift the
atmosphere right, or it doesn't where it doesn't allow reconciliation,

(37:15):
you know, in the spirit of love. So we're going
to get into that with on the loving said, I
would say this, when you do this, make sure that
your own heart is right, like we talked about, and
so you don't come with a superior judgment. Got to
humble yourself. You know, there's a great book out there.
I would I would suggest all of you by And

(37:39):
he is a writer, a spiritu writer, powerful writer. And
he was born eighteen twenty and he was in South Africa,
ended up pastor and missioneer. Yet sown writings about ability.
You know done. So the first thing is is uh,

(38:00):
not to act elevated. The second thing is is that
you restore the person. That means bend right, That means
to bend that person, that you reconcile that person. No,
and and uh you know you're restoring that person back
to that that state. The third thing is is watch yourself,
so make sure that you aren't tempted in the same

(38:21):
way that you're helping restore this person. So in that
in that temptation, maybe maybe because you help that person
get through it, that now the enemy attempter is coming
for you. Reguard yourself, know that that that could be coming,
but also that you're not tempted to do the same

(38:42):
exact thing then that person does. So if they don't
react how you think they're going to react, you know
that situation and that circumstance, you don't do the same thing.
You don't do an eye for an eye. You know
it's turned, it's turned the other cheeks. So I think
those are the things. And then the last thing you
do in that situation is that you this isn't that
you carry, that you carry their burden for them, and

(39:04):
so they know as a shepherd that you care, that
you care in that moment about them because you're you're
you're lightning the load, You're carrying that burden with them.
So I think those in the spirit of that, that's
the right heart, the right posture, the right direction that
you go go in in with that and so it's funny.

(39:25):
You know, we talked about you know, I talked about
like the online you know, you know, maybe somebody is
doing something that you really feel convicted about, like maybe
you're like, hey, they're dabbling in witchcraftnicle and they don't
know it on themselves Christians, which that does happen absolutely.
I mean you see that, you know all the time,
more than you think that maybe they're doing and they're

(39:46):
preaching literally false doctrine. Okay. The first thing is is
that don't fight and don't divide over tertiary issues. Those
are secondary issues. Yeah, don't fight over Kenne Christian abademer
you know, should they be cast out or no, no
reason to divide and fight. Don't fight on hey, on
pre trib versus post trib. There's secondary issues. We got

(40:09):
a lot of secondary issues on the body of price
that we're tearing each other up about. Fred is just
is just crazy. So I would say that, and uh,
let's go to Ephesians five ten through eleven, say that,
and then we'll switch this thing and we'll go on
to the other side. It says finding out what is
acceptable to Lord and have no fellowship with unfruitful works.

(40:33):
Of darkness, but rather expose them.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
And so.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Let's just say that's going to twelve. We're as shameful
even to speak of those things which are done by
them in secret. Need to but yeah, I think I
think you do. It's just a different translation was Ephesians
five ten, Yeah, eleven dollars. So in another translation it
talks about like like, be careful how you approach this.

(41:04):
You know, that is what talking about. Be very very careful,
finding out what is acceptable and pleasing to the Lord
first on this matter. But if you say yourself, well,
you know, I'm I'm just exposing darkness, it says Brent
that we're supposed to expose darkness, and so, yeah, we're

(41:25):
supposed to expose the darkness. What's going on, it's not
it shouldn't be aimed at the individual, look at the sin,
not the person. You know, and this will help you.
I believe it will help you, because man, again, you've
got to get this thing right. You know, it's causing chaos,
it's causing distraction in the body of Christ. Now you

(41:46):
know how many times people are spending time on you know,
we're supposed to be resisting the devil, not resisting one another.
You know, resist the devil, but you're trying to resist
people and make them flee, and that's not you know
that that's God's job to be that. And so I
would say this is you know, it's different than calling

(42:09):
out darkness came at the person. I understand you. You
may feel like this, Bulb. I don't know, Fred. I
feel like people are perishing because of lack of knowledge,
and they don't fully understand that we're not. We're not
waging war against flesh and blood. And so when you
do that, you wage war against flesh and blood, there's
something much bigger. And so two kingdoms are colliding right now,

(42:31):
right you know, Light wants your soul and darkness wants
your soul. Neither one of them will stop until they
get it. And you're feeling that colliding and that colliding.
So you're supposed to wage war against that, against principalities,
against darkness and spiritual wickedness, you know, those.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Types of life, not by power, but by my spirit.
Says to the Lord. It's a spiritual war.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yep, yep, it's a spiritual war. Yeah. Yeah, So yeah,
I feel like, you know, you know, some people will
get distracted so again, it's the biblical mandate to preach
the gospel. It's a biblical mandate to fill the commission.
I mean, that's one of the last words that our
Lord Jesus Christ said in the Book of Mark, in

(43:17):
the Book of Matthew Matthew twenty eight eighteen through twenty
and Mark sixteen fifteen through eighteen. So we're spending more time.
And I would say this. The last thing is is
that we're part of a body, part of a body,
the body of Christ. Right, So what good is a
body part away from the body. And so when we're
divided away from the body, it causes problems. Again, we're

(43:41):
we're supposed to be unified. We're supposed to be one,
supposed to be part of a body, and so a
body part. And if my arm was severed from this body,
you know, if it was, are you getting what I'm saying?
Is if it was severed from the blood, severed from
the blood, it'll die. And so same thing with the
body of Christ. Once it's severed, once it's off and

(44:05):
away from the body, it dies die. So we're supposed
to be We're supposed to be Hebrews ten twenty five
in it. You know, supposed to be part of a
body first of all, and we're supposed to be unified
in them. So so okay, next I want to talk
about unity. We're will shift here and so what are
some words of unity? It means one, one, accord, harmony, unity,

(44:33):
that all means together.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
There.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, and so the first thing I want to show
you is that God's kingdom is unified. So look at
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They're three,
but they're one. Everywhere they went, they mirrored each other.
They never went against each other, they never contradict each other.
The scriptures don't contradict each other. They're perfectly in harmony.

(44:56):
And one that's that's one that's a beautiful example of
where we need to be as a body of believers too,
is we need to be unified. Fred did a great
job at talking about how we unify and love and
I'll get into that just a minute. And so that
the Trinity is unified, you find that at Deuteronomy four five.
We don't need to go there, but we are to

(45:18):
be unified for the purpose of power. This is probably
going to be one of the most important things that
I say. I'm going to say it again. We are
to be unified. The purpose of power, Acts one eight.
You shall receive power from the Holy Spirit. Why to
be witnesses, have power to walk in your calling, to

(45:41):
do your calling, to live your life worthy of your calling.
So we shall receive power. So the first thing division
does is destroy power. When you're not unified, there's no
there's no power, you know. And so let's go to
Acts two one free. So you see here you see

(46:03):
and I'm going to read it when it gets up there.
And so you see that the Holy Spirit, the Holy
Spirit comes upon a body of believers, comes upon the disciples.
Do you think that day before that Holy Spirit came
because Jesus told them to wait, you know in chapter
one the Holy Spirit would come. Do you think that

(46:24):
those believers had to work some things out in that
upper room? You think there there was some contentions, there
were some divisions. I think the Holy Spirit knew when
he was supposed to come at the right time. But
when he came, what you saw was due to miss
you saw power. I'm going to read it to you.
Due to Missus. The Greek languages, when the day of

(46:46):
Pentecosta had fully come, they were all in one accord
in one place, powerful one accord, one place. They're unified, right,
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as a
mighty rushing filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Then there appeared to them divided tongues as a fire.

(47:08):
One sat upon each of them, and they were all
filled with the Holy Spirit, speaking of the spirit. And
so basically what you see here is you see where
there is no unity, there's no power. Scripture shows it.
Scripture shows it that they were unified on accord. I

(47:30):
just think that sometimes that we should still have you know,
we should still have an old fashioned conversation. Why can't
we talk? Why can't we have dialogue now? Why can't
we find out what the other person is talking about
for the sake of understanding that working towards a common goal,
a common thread, so that we can operate in power.

(47:51):
That's why so many ministries don't have power. There's two
reasons why they don't have power. The first one is
they don't believe the power of God. They say it's
dead for today, such as sensations say it's dead for today.
That and that, you know, that's not what God did.
That God did it back then and now. But I
would say to that that you know Abew's thirteen eight

(48:13):
says He's the same God yesterday, today and for everyone,
and power is still available we needed. Otherwise he wouldn't
have sent the Holy Spirit to how them power. So
there's no biblical justification for that. So the first thing
to power is you've got to believe. The second thing
is that you know where where find no power in

(48:35):
the church. You see a body of unbelievers not walking in,
so that that's why there is no power. The Bible
tells us that that's one of the thing you know God.
So what happens is is when you see no power,
it doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit is not there

(48:56):
at all. A matter of fact, it does mean that
the Holy Spirit is there. But the Holy Spirit now
has to do something else because he's a he's a man.
To he he has a body. You see that in
Luke when he descends upon him in bodily form, and
so he has to come with a different part of

(49:16):
his character. So he has to come out of John
sixteen is what he has to come out of John sixteen,
seven through eight, And he has to come in the
manner of spirit of conviction. So yeah, John sixteen, I
didn't give that to you, John sixteen, seven through eight.

(49:39):
And so in this passage, in this scripture, when you
see it, there's three main things the Holy Spirit does,
you know, and he convicts the believer in the world
of its sin, God's righteousness in the coming judgment. So
he has to come now, he has to come with

(50:00):
convicting because there's no uni there, there's no power's only division.
So now the spirit of conviction is going to come
upon you, not the spirit of power. There's a shift
that has to take place on that. And so because
you know, where where there's sin, there's unrighteousness. So it
is sin to do what you know you're supposed to do,

(50:22):
which is unify. Clearly here divide. So where can unity
be bad? Unity can be bad in one area. It's
when you all get together. Somebody gets together and we
get together. What we do is we unify and a
common goal to take something down. You know, I would

(50:44):
say this is that sometimes we've seen leaders do that
with people in churches. We've seen congregates do that with leaders.
So this is where unity is bad. This is where
unity can be as a as a weapon to wield.
And when you plot the downfall of somebody, this is

(51:06):
where when you can two or more get together, try
to come against somebody destroyed that matter of fact. You know,
here's a story today. I was I was a red
light and I cut over. Well, a guy thought I
would cut over too quick for him, and and and

(51:30):
he got up out of the car, jumped out, and
his buddy came up to the car. And I'm thinking, Okay,
I'm gonna have to rebuke these people. I'm gonna have
to take authority over this situation.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Thankful I didn't have to do that.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
So they were trying to unify against me. They were
getting out of the truck and they're screaming, yelling me passin,
And I gave him a plenty of space. But I
guess they didn't assume that I didn't thought I didn't,
so they were headed in my direction. The light turned green.
You know. God fought for me, obviously patient And so
this is where union can ba be bad when you

(52:03):
you know God's so you'll find where unity is bad.
And Luke four eighteen also find it Acts seven fifty six. Okay,
here's here's What really big is that the Ten Commandments
in unity. And so when you look at the Ten Commandments,
you'll find it in Exodus twenty verses one through seventeen.

(52:27):
So why am I bring up the Ten Commandments? The
Ten Commandments are powerful, you know, they're in the Old Testament,
but Jesus uses them to minister to people. He basically
was ministering with him quite a few times. The Sermon
on the Mount talked about adultery in the heart. That's
talked about dau shall not murder, you know. And then
also there was a rich young ruler, which is symbolic

(52:49):
of the day. There's a lot of rich younger people
day that are out there as a generation that become
millionaires faster than ever it's generation. And so there's a
lot of rich young workers out there today. And Richmonds
were asked, you, how must I how can I inherit?
You know? And he gives them the Ten Commandments, tells

(53:12):
them that's this, do this, says well, I've done all that.
He says, well, then sell everything, tell everything that you have,
give it to the point. Well, Richard that so he
walked away. And I can only imagine because Jesus has
a ministry of reconciliations. So so why am I using

(53:35):
these well, Jesus said, Jesus said one thing he said,
and this, this is very imperative. Pharisee that was trying
to set up in a lawyer that was trying to
set up asked him this question. When they asked this question,
they said, teacher, you know what is the what is

(53:56):
the most important commandment? And everything hinges on this said,
love God with all your heart, love thy neighbor. So
he put it in a twofold direction, love God, love
your neighbor. And so everything hinged on love that circumstance
in that situation when he was talking, is all guided

(54:17):
by love. And everything we do should be in coming
from that place of love, whether it's love and truth,
you know. But but you know, obviously in context of that,
the main focus of those commandments was love. So why
is this important? Out of the temper glad you? So

(54:44):
I say it to say this that when you understand
this commands, you're able to prophetically or profoundly to other passages.
Scriptures may't couple up with something else, you know, something
can come alive mysteries. So love God, love your neighbor.

(55:05):
So everything hinged on that, right, and if we don't
do that, then we're disobedient sin. So it's the opposite.
But I'd say it with this is that it comes
down to this, is that we're supposed to clothe ourselves
with comes from from the world. So if we go
into Colossians three fourteen, I'll tie this in. Get ready

(55:26):
to set up in here Colossians three fourteen. So no problem.
Why I'm spending so much time on this washing tent
three fourteen? Sorry, uh yeah, colustions. Why I'm spending so

(55:47):
much time on this because man, I feel like it's imperative. Okay,
there's a lot to have to cover your and this
could go on. These conversations can go on forever, right,
I mean we're talking forever, forever, forever.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
And well, you know, I love the part that you
just finished with because it really and truly said all
of the all of the scripture, I mean, all of
the all of the all of the prophets, and all
of the all of the law and all the prophets
hang on these two things. Yeah, love love God, love

(56:22):
love each other. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the New
New Testament condensation of of the ten commandments.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Uh, he gave us the ten commandments knowing that we
couldn't keep them, but he gave us these last two
understanding that by because He's empowering us today, we can
keep those. We can love God.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Yes, we can love God and each other gives us
and it is very important. And you know they hinge
on it because they're an old Testament doesn't mean them.
But you know obviously we're not. We're not justified by
the amen. Were justified by faith. No grace alone. And

(57:06):
I want to say this too. You know, grace is
not a doctrine, it's a person. It's not a licensed sin.
It's permission to pursue right, the beautiful thing and beautiful, beautiful.
I love the grace of God. It is there for
when you really fall short, when you really fall short,
really fall short, Grace is there. You know what it's

(57:27):
like when you now the Bible says that we all sin,
we all fall short of the glory of God. And
it says if you if you say you've never sinned,
the truth is not in you. I want the truth
to be in me.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
What about you?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Fred?

Speaker 1 (57:39):
You want the truth to be in you.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
So, so class in three fourteen says this, and lieu
of the ten command put into this scripture, got an
old testament, path got a new Testament their little brothren,
so three fourteen mm. But above all these things, put

(58:03):
on love. What is the bond action. So in another
one it says, in these things, put on and clothe yourself.
Clothe yourself love. And so you see here that you
don't just have a garment of praise the spirit of heaviness.

(58:26):
You have a garment love. So you're supposed to love
God people above all, you're supposed to clothe yourself with love, says,
which binds us all together and perfect. So if we
go into the NLT version, I'm want to read this
above all, clothe yourself with love. So first of all,

(58:49):
you're supposed to close yourself with love, which binds us,
binds us together perfect harmony. Man. So so we're going
from the commandments to love your God and love one
another and love your neighbor. And then Colossians the right

(59:11):
of Colassian says, clothe yourself love, which binds us together
in perfect harmony. And so it's it's it's a beautiful thing,
and it points out that that when we when we
when we break the first and the second commandment, and

(59:32):
when we don't clothe ourselves with love, like Claus says,
when we don't observe that passage, there's all about love,
you know. It we operate out of the soul. What
it does is it shatters unity, brings on a spirit
of division. It brings the spirit of anti Christ. Because
there's an anti Christ spirit right now that's sweeping fascination,

(59:54):
sweeping through the division. And we have to stop to
We've got to say, when we're in the moment when
we things are heated, we feel like we're going to
call somebody out, you know, we feel like we you know,
I want to give somebody the fivefold ministry. We want
to give them something for Jesus to heal, some kind.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Of the spirit of slap comes over.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
We've got to stop and say, hey, you know what, man,
I gotta getta both myself with love and I want
to bring I want to bring unity. I don't want
to be in vision. No things have to be addressed.
Maybe I have to walk away for a minute to
do this, but you know, so so there's not just
a garment of of praise for no And when you

(01:00:38):
think about this, no love, no unity, no unity division.
And that brings us to one of the last passages
in the Book of John. Here that Jesus prayed specifically
for us, you know, very specifically. But before that, how
can we overlook the most famous passage in the Bible,

(01:00:59):
John three sixty seventeen and John three sixteen by itself,
you know, isolated as just the most famous passage. I mean,
it was on Tim Tebow's eye. You know, millions of
people googled it that night that the internet broke down.
And so when most people think of the Bible, they
can quote that passage, even some unbelievers for that or

(01:01:20):
know that you know and says this. For God so
loved the world that he gave love oothe yourself with
love with binds us together. For God so loved the
world that he gave has only begotten son, that whoever
believes in it shall not perish, but have everlasting, an
eternal life. For God did not send his son into

(01:01:42):
the world to condemn it. This is not condemnation tonight.
This should be revelation, not condemnation. He didn't send his
son into the world to condemn it. But he sent
his son into the world that it might be saved him.
So how can we overlook famous passage nexts us Intolassians

(01:02:02):
three fourteen and amandments the first and second commandment of
numbers twenty one through seventeen. Okay, so there's no love.
There's three things that happens. We become disobedient in sin
as the Lord commanditists to love, to love one another. Right,
love binds us together in unity. Where there's no love,

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there's no unity. That bring division. Importantly, Bible says, this
house divided against itself cannot stand. So if we're divided,
we cannot stand. We can't stand. And there's so much
division amongst us. Look, there's division up on people or atheists, Christians, Democrat, Republicans, black, vaccinated, unvaccinated.

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I mean you can just go down the list, Fred
and go down the list. You know, there's so much
division among us, and so we cannot stand, we cannot fight.
Say this, we're so busy fighting each other that the
real fight never gets fought. That's right, enemy, the enemy
never gets fought. We don't resist the devil the truth.
It's very very sad, and it's very very true. So

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John seventeen twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Such an important thing that we love each other. The
whole precept of God's word is that we love each other.
And you know sometimes that division causes it just it
just it. It's the it's the enemy of love come

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because it just it takes away, it separates us from
what we need to be doing. And yeah, it's just
so so sad that we allow the division and the
rhetoric and the very fact that people the enemy can
put it in somebody and they can stir it up.

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And that's what's happening a lot, is that that you know,
the enemy puts it in somebody's heart. I'm you know,
a believer or an unbeliever. There's at this point it
doesn't really matter, you know, it's just whoever he has
a gateway, whoever he has a foothold. You know, if
he's established the beach's head in your mind, you know,

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he'll put thoughts in your mind and out of your mouth,
out of the abundance of your heart. Start the mouth starts.
It's what you know, if if you're stirring up, strive,
you know, it's coming out of the abundance of your heart.
You need to check. You need to listen to what
your what your mouth is saying, because that's that's the
way you know what's in God.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Yes, and when you hear that, that check, when you
have that accountability in the checklist, when check it, you
have oversight like that. It's a good thing because the
Bible says, oh, I want to sew no vision right life.
I don't want to show those things, you know, into
the you know, into the kingdom of God. So John

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seventeen twenty through twenty three says this, and this is
very very very powerful. This is Jesus's prayer. He's praying
for us. And you know, I mean, I think about
another time where Jesus says this, Father, forgive them not
what they When he was that cross, he was thinking

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of us. You know, he's praying for us on this cross.
And now he's doing it here too. And you know,
even though they may call it, you know, the model prayer,
I call it, you know, Jesus' prayer that And so
I do not pray for these alone, but also for
those who will believe in me do their word, that
they all may be one as you Father are in me,

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ey in you, that they also may be one in us,
that the world may believe that you sent me, and
the glory which you have given me, I have given them,
that they may be one, just as we are one,
I in them, you and me, that they may be
made perfect in one, and that the world may know

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that you have sent me and have loved them as
you have loved me. Man, what a beautiful prayer. I mean,
that's amazing powerful. And his focus here, fred is he
says that we are one five times. He says it
five times and three passages. It is said. You know

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that when you see these words repeated in scripture, find
out what they're there for. They're there for a reason,
and that pay attention because the man I'm telling you,
I mean with Paul, the spirit was on him. It
was breathing things. It was breathed life into his past

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and put it to pious. But these are the words
of our Lord Christ, our savior. I mean, this is
actually him, the word of God is him. I mean,
he dwelt among us, he was made flesh, and he
left us this. You know, if he wanted us to
do it any other way, he would have given us
something different. So he gave us the Bible and these
are his words five times three passages, you know, verse

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twenty through twenty three. But the most important thing to
take from this, what is this saying He's leaving us
something very powerful. He says that the world may believe
that you sent me by how you're unified one that

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is a witness, and so we have a divine responsibility
to become one so that the world knows that Jesus
Christ is real and that the Father God sent him.
That is a testimony, that is a witness, so that
it's very imperative Jesus prayed that we're one. And so
I would say this at the very end, how do

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we What do you think Brad? I don't know. I'm
just tossing this out here. What do you think is? Is?

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
In in closing? What do you think well we can
do about this?

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
How?

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
How how do you think here to fixesay?

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
What is your perspective? What is your vice? And you
were you were a pastor at a church?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Well, the biggest, the biggest thing that I would say
at this point would be that you have to check
which which kingdom are you operating out of? And you
know you if you're born again, you have been given
a new nature and you you just you know, are

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are you operating in that nature? Or are you oper
rating in the old man, which should be dead, crucified
and put away. But sometimes we allow through the flesh
because of the mind, will and emotion, because of that
soulless ram that we that we still have, we tend

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to float over into that and begin to kind of
resuit up with the old nature. And that's not that's
that's not the nature you are now. That's who you
used to be. That's not who you are. And so
you know, as Christians, we need to rediscover who we

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are and we need to operate in that new nature
rather than the nature that was that we were born to.
But we've been reborn to the new nature. So that's
in the world is going to operate in that old
nature because that's all they have. Yep, that's all that's

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available to yea. So we can't be really shocked that
the world is doing the wrong thing because that's who
they are, that's who their father is, and it's our
responsibility to preach the good news of the Kingdom and
get them converted so that they can take on that

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new nature. That we don't have. So I would say
it's a nature problem.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
I love that. Examine yourself, look to see which which
kingdom you're operating. Realize you're a new creation, said, going
to take a moment and say, hey, am I operating
out of the spirit of my having and the soul.
I really love that. That's why I wanted to see
what your thoughts were on it too. And I just
want to give a couple no practical ways that we this.

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I'd say, pray about a time, so let's pray, you know, pray,
Andrew Murray said, A man that doesn't schedule trying to
pray probably doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
The second thing is go to the secret place, I mean,
go right straight into God. That's another way that you
can do the as leaders. Let's teach the people what
the word of God says about. Yes, well, thank you
for your time and a pleasure and very good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Very good, thank you, and we hope that you were
blessed as well through the whole whole uh dissertation that
we had here, because there's there's there's powerful good news
that that comes from the Scripture, and that's what we've
tried to present to you and right Now before we
go away, I want I want Brent to lead us in,

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you know, in just a just an opportunity two change
our mind. That's what repent means. It just simply means
to change your mind. And uh so, if we if
you've had your mind set on maybe the wrong things,
it's an opportunity for you to change your mind and

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start thinking the faults of God and start returning to
the truth and operating in it, because that's your nature
if you're born loved you Father.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
I thank you for this golden opportunity God, to speak
to your people. Lord, and so I pray tonight God
that these people would have an opportunity to see Lord,
that they'd have eyes to see what they're doing. God.
Are they are they Are they bringing people into alignment?
Are they unifying? Or are they operating out of a
soulish realm? God? Are they operating out of that? God?

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I pray that they would be new creations God, like
we said that they would live the life of being
born again.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
God.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
And I pray as Jesus prayed. Lord. In times like this,
sometimes you don't know exactly what the pray God, but
I pray like Jesus prayed, Lord, Father, forgive us or
sometimes we know not what we do. Lord God, and
I pray God that we would be all unified, so
that the world would know that Jesus Christ was sent

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from God the Father Yahweh, so that we can be redeemed,
so that we can be saved. Lord, and I pray
God that we would be empowered by the Holy Spirit
to do this God, and that we would go in
the secret place, and that we wouldn't be concerned with
slaying giants God, but we would be concerned first and
foremost with the battle of bears. That we would do

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these things behind the scenes, that you would perfect our character,
that we would fight like David did before David was
raised to kingship. God, he fight many battles with bears
behind the scenes. He wasn't concerned with being out in
the public and having an eye. So Father, I pray
that Lord tonight God, that someone would hear this and
just check, send that check right in their spirit, that

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Holy spirit she would love on them. God. It is
in the spirit of love that we do this, and
without love, we're nothing but a creaking of a usty gate. God.
And so we thank you for your love God that
you sent your son to die for us God, so
we can even have conversations like this. In Jesus Name,
you pray.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Thank you so much, Brent, appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Thank you sir.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
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