S6E41-Steven & Tiffany Hart

Hart to Hart Joins Fred for a great conversation about relationship.
Family, friends, church and God all important relationships.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (01:12):
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so jump on that sometime. Well, I have the hearts
over here at Heart to Heart are right next to
them at to end. So I'm just excited about having
pastors Stephen and Tiffany Heart with me tonight. And so
they are pastors of River of Hope Church in Muleshoe, Texas,

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and I'm just they also come over to our our
group in Herford and so I've had several people that
attend that group as well, and so we're we're just
gonna share some good things. And they have a couple
of kids that they just sent off and they're empty
nesters now.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
So they're.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Stephen and Tiffany Welcome to the Fred Hughes Show. I'm
so glad that you Jonah join us tonight, and we're
excited about hearing a little testimony and report from you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Thank you, Fred.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's good to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, I'm I'm always kind of thrilled to watch people
say goodbye to their kids when they go off to
school or in your case, Bible college, and uh, it's
I'm excited for you because it's all it's always it's
a little change and a little discomfort, but it's a

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it's a new life, it's a new history, and and
so you know, I wish you well in your journey.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's been really good. Peyton was
out there last year at in Reading, so he is
starting her second year. Caitlyn, the older sister, has started
her first year this year, so they're both excited to
be out there together. We're excited for them the same
place we went to school. We know it's a wonderful place.

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It's a long long way from home. It's a twenty
four hour drive. It's about fifteen hundred miles. And ironically enough,
they didn't decide to go at the same time we
moved Peyton back out there because he knew he was going.
Caitlyn had applied last January, I believe, and she had
gotten a job there in Lubbook that she just really

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loved and really really wanted. And we've just tried to
raise our kids to be obedient and everything that they do.
So when she had gotten that job, she was content
where she was, and the Lord asked her if he
still had her yes, so that her to pursue going

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to school. Again. So we after we moved Peyton, we
turned around and moved her again ten days later. So
I figured out, I'm not going to be a good
truck driver. I don't want to be on the road
that much. I can identify with that statement. That's a
long road out there, and there's not a lot but cactuses.
I tried. I'm not much of a desert fan either,

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but that's the majority of what we see between here
and there.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Well, how's Tiffany holding out with this part full time departure.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
It's been good. You know, there's there's some sad parts
of your kids leaving the nest, and but you know,
it's a good thing. We like each other and we're
he's my best friend, and so we've always been intentional.
We had really good friends years ago tell us that

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don't lose yourselves in the raising of your kids, because
one they're gone, you may not know each other anymore.
So we over the years continued to date and do
things together and not lose ourselves and our kids. And
as we raised them and sending them out to Bethel

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has been so awesome. We're so excited for them, a
little sad for us, a little jealous. They've been on
retreat this past week in their groups and they've been
sending pictures and videos and all the wild and crazy
things happening on retreat and the testimonies of ministry and

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things going on, and it's been so cool. And a
cool testimony from Caitlin is when we were moving her
out there, the Lord Man, he was just so good
to her in this journey, and he told her, you know,
he asked her, do I still have your yes? And
she was like, well, yes, Lord, And she knew that

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the Lord was asking her to lay down her job
and her life in Lubbock to go pursue him. And
when she when she gave that up and said, okay, Lord,
I'll follow you. And I mean, he just showed up
in every way and in ten days. He made it
all happen in ten days and even went above and

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beyond the things that needed to happen and surprised her
with a few awesome things too. And on the way
out there, I rode with Caitlyn and Stephen drove my
car and we had them both packed down with all
of Caitlyn's things and her dog, which was also a
testimony in the Lord that he got to go with her,

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but she said, you know, I've seen this my whole life.
I've seen God show up over and over again again
for our family and our kids have seen sign and
wonders and miracles. They've seen blind eyes open, they've seen
the deaf ear, They've seen tumors disappear, they've seen cancer disappear,

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and all kinds of amazing miracles. And she made the
comment I've seen God do this kind of stuff my
whole life for our family, but that he would do
it for just me just rocked her, and yes, Yes,

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to see God show up for our kids and take
care of them and provide for them, just like he
still does us. Now that our kids are have left
the nest, he hasn't stopped showing us, showing up for
us and surprising us with awesome things. And we're excited
to see what He continues to do in us and

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through us and through our kids too.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah, I want to go on record real quick. Tiffy
said that it's a good thing that we like one another.
I just want to be the first to say that
I really love her. She likes me, but I love her.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I love you too, well, you know, one good thing
about it, y'all. Y'all have time now to tour the
fullness of the city of Muleshoe Textures. That's right place
to take each other out on dates.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
And you know, and.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
We're not held down by kids anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm not restricted are well.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
And that's been a really cool thing too, moving our kids.
He's taken out us on some adventures with Jesus and
surprised us with a few things along the way, and
and just had us. You know, I had asked the
Lord I wanted to see the sequoias in southern California,

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the giant sequoias, and and he showed up, and he
paid for every bit of it and supplied and provided
for us to go do that. And even someone getting
on the elevator with us when we checked into our
hotel asked if we were going to see the trees

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and we said yes, and she gave us her pass
to the park. And I mean, just every little thing.
And you know, he not only he is so good
that he not only takes care of our needs, but
he also gives us our wants and desires. To classic
Ephesians three twenty over and above all, we might ask

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think or imagine, and sometimes he just out of the
blue surprises us with really cool things.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Also, yeah, I want to just add to that just
a little bit. The scripture promises that he gives us
the desires of our heart, and I think that's kind
of a twofold thing. It's like, he actually gives us
the desire, so he puts the desire in our heart,
and then he actually gives us the disa our and
then a lot of times he just speaks through your wife,

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which is which is another manifested place of Holy Spirit
and our current life. But so we Tiffany had told me,
she's like, when we were moving Caitlyn out there, which
is second, we'd move Peyton first to come back, it's
gonna move Caitlyn. And she's like, I'm not gonna make
that drive again with not seeing anything new. She's like,

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we're gonna go see something new, And our bank account
did not reflect that we were going to get to
go see anything new. So I just like, if you
want to go see something, it's like just you're gonna
have to pray it in because financially it just doesn't
support us going to do that. And the Lord showed
up in so many different ways. He'd put that desire

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in Tifty's heart to go see something new, and ultimately
in mind too. But if I'm being all honest, it's
like I didn't have a lot of faith for it,
nor did I want to drive a whole lot more
just I was I was done with driving. But she
prayed in and the finances come in. We didn't tell
anybody about this, And and this is the way we've
worked with God so much at the time, is like

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when we've had specifically financial things come up, it's not
something that we post out there and or we communicate
with a lot of people. We just take it to
the Lord because he promises to be our provider. I mean,
he's he's our pap up with cattle on a thousand hills,
So why would we try to drum up finances or

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resources from anyone else when the scripture promises that he's
our provider. So if you just lived our Christian life
this way, like we'll just take our needs to him,
and he supplied our needs abundantly above anything we could
ever ask, think or imagine, and most of the times
in ways that we wouldn't have ever thought of either.

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So people just begin to bless us through Venmo.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Random Venmos started coming in that people that knew nothing
about you know, what was going on.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
And we were able to go see the sequoias. And
then we come back through Sedona, spend a day in Sedona. Again,
I'm not a desert fan. The trees were way cooler.
If you only have one option, I go see the
trees unless you like red rocks. But it was neat
to see.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
And Tiffany, I think you and God needed to gang
up on any more often.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I agree. It was it was beautiful and the Lord
just showed up and provided and and even the past
to the park. It was it was like the Lord said,
you want to see what I made, come on in,
you know, and he just opened the doors and provided
for every need, want and desire. And it was really cool.

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And then when we were on our way to Sedona,
we stayed in Flagstaff because it was cheaper than staf
in Sedona. So we stayed in Flagstaff for the night
and we were going to get up and go to
Sedona in the morning. And I'll let Stephen finish this
story because it was a huge testimony that the Lord did.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, we shared this the other day at Herford with everybody,
but it's just such a god story. We still had
long days of driving, so we had driven most of
the day. We get to Flagstaff and it was late
and not college town. We expected a lot of things
to be open late. We didn't want to eat a

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bunch of fast food and still be on the road
just once you get our age. That's bad combo. And
so we Tiffany finds this place online and we go
eat and they had closed the kitchen. They only had
a few menu autumns and they told us it was
white meat chicken nuggets, and they brought us the equivalent
of McDonald's chicken nuggets. So I was a little grumpy.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
White meat chicken nuggets, yes, special tater talk.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, So I was a little grumpy. And because they
were expensive and what, so we just uh. I ate
about half of it and I'm like, let's just go
get some rest and we'll have a better day tomorrow.
And we go and there was a hot tub still open.
So we go sit in the hot tub, thinking, well,
we'll go relax a little bit before we go to bed,

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and we encountered this couple and that was the same
day that Charlie Kirk's memorial service was in Phoenix, and
this couple was from Albuquerque and they had it was
evidently a very long memorial service. We haven't had the
opportunity to go back and watch it. But so we're
sitting in the hot tub and talking to these people,

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this couple, and they they were huge Charlie Kirk fans,
but not not believers yet. They were free believers, and
they were telling us about the service. We were asking
them questions and they were like, man, this is like
eight hours of stuff and it's like he said, it
was like a Christian rock concert. And they're like everybody

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had their hands up. They're like, what the world was
that all about. So we were able to share with
them a little bit about what worship looks like and
what it looks like to surrender daring worship. And then
the husband said, you know, Erica Kurt got up and
said that she forgave the man that shot her husband,
and he's like, I just couldn't get behind that. He's like,

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I don't understand how somebody could forgive somebody for murdering
their spouse. And then they said Trump got up and
it's like, oh, let's kill the guy. You know had
this paraphrase obviously, but and he was like, I can
get behind that. I can get behind you know, this
guy needs to serve justice, he needs to pay the
price for what he did. And he's like then all

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day long, they just kept mentioning the Gospel, the Gospel,
the Gospel, and they're like, we looked up the definition
of gospel and it just didn't really satisfy anything in us.
And they're like, uh, you guys, pastors, what is the
gospel to you guys? And it was such a divine moment.
I got over being grumpy over my chicken nuggets all

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of a sudden and just be like, here's here's what
the gospel is. The Gospel is Jesus. And just as
Erica forgave the shooter that killed her husband, Jesus forgives
you of all your sins, and if you accept Him
as Lord and savior of your life, like you get
to spend the rest of eternity with him. And that's
the only way you get to that portion of eternity

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is through Jesus. And we had an honor to lead
this couple. Both couple are the husband and wife to
the Lord that night and just standing outside the hot
tub and flagstaff Arizona, and it's like, Lord, you were
in all of this. You weren't just in taking us

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to go see the things that we wanted to see
and giving us rest and providing and all the things.
But his heart is eternal, and the simple everyday thinks
that's putting the desires in our hearts and then actually
giving us the desires of our heart, like led us

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to the opportunity to introduce this couple to Jesus and
change to their family tree.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, and in that he gives us the desires of
our heart. He puts those desires in us and then
he gives them to us. But we also have to
keep in mind that his desire is people. So as
we are having adventures with Jesus or going about our
day or at the grocery store or doing anything the

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Lord calls us to do, or just going about our
daily life, we have to be aware that his desire
is people, and we have to slow down sometimes and
listen for his voice and pay attention to what he's
doing and what he's showing us. And I mean moments
like that, like that, and in the hot tubur pretty obvious.
The door is the Lord is kicking the door wide open,

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but sometimes aren't as obvious. Sometimes it's just his still
small voice saying, hey, notice this person. And we've had
lots of those things happen over the years as well,
but it's it's so cool when we get to be
in it with the Lord and and just be his vessels.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah. So, ironically enough, I think we get back from
that trip on possibly a Sunday night or Monday night.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
I thought it was Tuesday night.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Well, no, because we made it to Herford that Tuesday. Okay,
so we made it to be with you guys in
Herford that day and then kind of doing our best
to get caught up for the rest of the week.
And then Thursday, that Thursday night, we get a call
from someone that works for a company that takes tours
to different places and she goes to church with us,

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and it's this Thursday night. She said, hey, if you
guys can get everything in order, Uh, there's there's a
couple that has canceled their trip. They weren't able to go,
but that it was already paid for and obviously it's
non refundable, you know. Within that short of a notice. Uh,
she said, We'd love to bless you guys with this trip.

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And so we have awesome people in church. Uh, we
have a bunch of believers that can just preach in
season out of season. So uh, we made a few
phone calls and and by Friday morning we needed to
be in Lubbock to catch this bus to go to
Albuquerque and watch the balloon Festival. And it didn't cost

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us anything. It was just it was just the Lord
reminding us too. It's like, hey, I want to take
you back to a place of rest. And Uh, to
be honest, we've been yeah, an adventure. So uh we've been.
We've been married to eight years and the best that
I can remember, I don't ever remember being on a
trip with tiffany where I wasn't driving or in charge

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of or responsible for. And it was all laid out.
It's like it didn't cost us anything. All the food
was was planned, all the the hotels. Uh, we got
to sit back and I didn't have to drive, like,
we get to relax, and it was it was so good.
It's just such the heart of the Lord to bring

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us back to a place of rest after what like
not not that we labored for our kids, but it
like it cost us something emotionally and physically and financially
and all the other things. And this was just God
just hitting a reset button again for us.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
And and another cool thing about that testimony is years
ago my dad had went to the balloon Festival. He
and his wife had went, and it was back in
the days of film cameras and you know, the actual
physical pictures, you know. And I was looking through the

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pictures and thought, man, that'd be cool to go to someday.
And so it's always kind of been on my bucket list.
And recently the Lord said to me, I miss when
you called me daddy, because I used to start my
prayers with daddy, and somewhere over time I started calling

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him Lord and so or father, God or you know.
And so he said to me, I wish when you
I miss when you called me daddy. And so I
started calling calling him daddy again. And and then he
shows up and does such a dad move, you know,

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like this thing that you put on your bucket list
years ago that I had forgotten about. He's like, surprise us,
let's go, let's go do it. And on that trip,
we got to pray for and with a lot of people,
and you know, he showed up in the way that
he does and and it was just it was really

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cool and out of the blue surprise from the Lord,
from our Daddy that.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
That is so special.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
You know, Uh your River of Church uh River of
Hope dot church is the church's address in case somebody
wants to know. But obviously you have some some some
beautiful people that take care of their pastor and that's
always appreciated. But one of the things that's on your

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little Heart to Heart of Facebook page that I like
you says it.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's a little quote up there.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
It just says, preach the Gospel everywhere you go when necessary,
open your mouth.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I like that little thing.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
But but it's so good that God always puts people
in front of us so that we can minister too.
And it's just, you know, it's just such a privilege
minister and the power, the nurture, the admonition and the
word of God wherever we do go, and you know,
and sometimes when we can't afford to go, we get sent. Yeah,

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it's nice.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Blessed, absolute blessing.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Absolutely that quote one of my favorite quotes Uh, it
was one that we learned while we were in school,
and I believe it.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Was uh Saint Francis of as.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
YEA, yeah, I say it like a sissy, but but yeah,
and it's so good. And we were born again later
in life and uh, in radical encounter with Holy Spirit.
A longer story than I think what we have left
is like I tell people all the time that a
demon possessed man led me to Jesus in jail, And

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if you're interested in the story, come talk to me.
I'll love to share it with you. But man, we
just once we were born again, we met the Lord
in so many ways, and didn't realize how important love
was before we were born again. And love is everything.
It's the number one commandment that he gives us in

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the New Testament, out of all the commandments that he
had in the Old Testament, all the laws and all
the tradition. He says, it's all about love. It's all
about love and perfect love cast out fear, and fear
involves punishment. And I was raised knowing about God, but
I didn't know God. And I always thought I'd been

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told that God is a god of punishment, and had
that belief that God's sitting in heaven and just waiting
to thump us on the head when we've done wrong.
And it is so opposite. The kingdom is so opposite.
It's like our sin never surprised God. In fact, he
he had planned on it so much that he sent
his only son to die for all the bad things

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that I ever did, do, have done, or will do.
And it's the perfect love cast out fear. And it's
like I no longer have to fear and angry God.
And that that quote is so good for me to
get that. It's like, preach the gospel. The gospel is

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the good news. The gospels Jesus. The gospel is that
he paid the price for all the things. It's all
about love, yeah, and getting back to our first love.
And it's like and necessary we open our mouth.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
And we preach the gospel out of who we are,
by the choices we make, how we respond to people,
how we love people. You know in the Gospel of
John's as the world will know that you're my disciples
by your love and the way we love people. That's
how we preach the gospel everywhere we go without opening
our mouth. It's it's not necessary to like push people

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down or push them over, or you know, be zealous
or any of that. We just have to love and
love well. And Peyton, he said something that really radically
impacted me when he was home this summer. He said,
God is not mad at you. He's madly in love

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with you. And you know, the Lord has just been
loving on us in this season and radically providing and
surprising us and just reminding us that he has called us.
He knows our purpose, and our purpose is found in
him and he he is the one that makes it happen.

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We don't have to make it happen. We don't have
to fulfill our calling like it's found in him and
who Jesus has called us to be. And we just
have to walk with him daily. And that's that's how
we find our purpose as we walk with him daily.
And it's all found in the heart of the Lord
and the way we love his people because the people

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are his prize.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, it's a genesis moment. We just walk in the
cool of the day with the Lord. Yeah, and and
he wants to meet us there all the time.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
That's so good man.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I'll tell you what, There's there's nothing like walking in
the rest of the Lord.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Uh, you know, there's there's peace.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
It's he's the Prince of peace and he and he
just you know, to walk in his love and to
be able. I mean, that's how we get filled with
his love, is we.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Walk around with him.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
We we enjoy the fellowship, when we read his word,
we do the things that we need to do to
stay plugged into Him. And then in turn, that overflow
you know, comes up and out of us and and
it goes out to pour out, you know, the over flow.
I heard some preachers say, you always preach out of

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the overflow, and I'm going like, well, I think, always, minister,
whatever you're going to do out of the overflow, because
that's good stuff that's coming out. You know, that's stuff
that God gave us. A ministry of reconciliation. Yeah, of course,
he gives us a word of reconciliation so he gets
us right, and then he puts a ministry of reconciliation

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so that we can go and help other people get
reconciled to Him. And I just God is just so good.
He is what you were describing earlier. But so many
people believe that they are they're really stuck in that
vacuum of you know, trying to please or a peas.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, and then we think that we have to please
him by beating people over the head with the Bible
and you should, you should, you should, and and I
love Danny's Silk says, you know, the Bible says, train
up a lot a child in the way he should go,
and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

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But we train up our children in the way. They shouldn't.
They shouldn't. They shouldn't, they shouldn't, they shouldn't go. And
I think that we do that as the church too.
We focused on the shouldn'ts, and we forget about the
shoulds because we're so focused on do not, do not,
do not, that we forget what we're supposed to be doing.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I saw a comment that one of our spiritual leaders
back at Bethel, Steve Backland, just a hero of our amazing,
amazing guy and we've learned so much from him and
got so much from him. But I saw this quote
that I posted on Facebook years ago, and it wouldn't
let me share just as a memory, but so I

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just retyped it out. But what he was talking about
was in Luke the prodigal Son story, and it should
be the it's called the prodigal Son in the Bible,
but it should be called the lavish Father. But what
his comment was, the older brother was looking what was
wrong in people, but the father was looking for what

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was right in people. And I think if the world
knew that, yeah, they would want him to And if
we u I heard a comment I believe it's Bill
Johnson and said, you know, we represent we are ambassadors
of heaven. If we represent him, well, if we represent
the King, well the world will want him also. Not

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only will they want him, but the one his body,
which we're the body or the body of Christ.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
So that's very good.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
You know, the Old Testament we had we had ten commandments,
you know, and uh, we've God figured out we couldn't
keep ten commandments. You would look down in Matthew the
twenty second verse, I mean twenty second after starting at
about thirty seven, and he narrows it down to just two,

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you know, love me and then love other people. It
may maybe maybe we're not even doing a good job
with those two, you know, but I think that's that's
that's the face of ministry is to love God first
and then love other people. And that's that that overflow
that we talked about earlier is so important, and that's

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that's that's how people discover that he's not a bad God,
that he is loving God, and that we can address
him as Papa or you know, dad, and uh, you know,
the God of this universe. We can run and jump
in his lap and call him daddy. Goodness, that's that's

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the kind of really true love machine he is.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
We've gotten to go to Israel twice. And that was
one thing that I was wrecked by, was that the
little kids running around in the streets of Jerusalem, they'd
be going ah ba ahba abba. And that's what Jesus
called God was abba and it means daddy. And you

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know the Lord saying that to me. I miss when
you called me daddy. Like there, it's an intimate relationship,
but it's not always Lord, Father, God, most Gracious, heavenly Father,
you know, like he is all of those things. And
he is the alpha and Omega, and we we don't
forget about his power because alpha and omega means the

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beginning and the end, and and he has final say
of what goes on in our lives, and he has
final say of who we are and what we're called
to do. But he also we can't forget about the
daddy part. We can't forget about the intimacy. We have
to pursue him an intimacy, and I love I think

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it's Bill Johnson says, we have to seek his face
and not just his hand. And I think that when
we seek his face in intimacy, then we see his
hands show up in power and provision and providing for
needs and all of those things. But it comes out

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of that place of intimacy when we seek his face
and seek him as daddy.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Yeah, the two commandments you were talking about earlier. This
is why I believe overflow is so important. He says
love your God with all of who you are, and
it says love your neighbor as you love yourself, And
the least we get to that place of overflow. I
don't know about you guys, but it's really hard for
me to love myself until I get to that place

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of overflow. I have to get over myself before I
get love myself.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, I have more trouble with the first commandment than
I do the second one right right.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
The overflow is so so important, and uh, from my
experience is where I find the overflow is the secret Place.
And uh, just where I get when when I crawl
on his lap, when I have those quiet moments where uh,
we just have those one on one encounters with the

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Lord and we we were introduced to the secret Place
by a woman when we were in school, Judy Franklin
was their name, and she led us all through this
encounter and where where we actually find ourselves in a
garden with with the Lord. And I'm doing it really

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not not good justice by trying to describe it ten.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Seconds, but I called it a trip to heaven. She's
written two books about it.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Yeah, but my secret place with the Lord is is
I don't know if you've seen the show Full House.
It's a show that's spaced out of San Francisco, and
they live in these houses that are built right on
top of one another. And there's beautiful park across the
street from their home. And my secret place is in

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that park. And most of the time I'm on a
park bench sitting next to Jesus. And uh, I've encountered
him so many times that I've actually had the opportunity
to physically go there, and we've walked through the park
and I have not found the bench, but I think
that's that's in the heavenly places that I get to
sit with him. And I haven't found that in then

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naturally yet, but but I'm able to find that place,
whether it's in my living room or my bedroom or
wherever I just get quiet and go to my prayer closet,
that's generally where I sit with Jesus and he speaks
to me, and that that's where I find my overflow.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
You know, the secret places is uh is a I like?
I like that wording.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
You know, I just just Jesus says innumerable times, you know,
come away with me, you know, just spend time with me,
or or he'll take he took his disciples aside privately
or you know it was it was it was intimacy
and closeness and he would go away and spend time
with the Father and uh, you know it. He modeled

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it so well for us, and we have to we
have to really take that time to go away and
be with him because he wants the relationship more than anything.
That's what he created us for, was that relationship with him.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
So for for me.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
The secret place just it just says I'm going to go.
I'm going to intentionally go aside and be with be
with Daddy, be with my my create And you know,
sometimes so many people go with their little you know,
laundry lists and all the things they want God to
do for him and they really miss out on just

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the intimate time with him when they work for no
reason except to experience him. Yeah, honor him.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Absolutely. We were challenged when we were in school. It's like, obviously,
the model prayer that Jesus taught us to pray in
Matthew six was you know, our father in heaven, he
will be your name, Your hum will come or will
be done on earth as it is in heaven. And
it says, you know, give us today our daily bread.
So there is a portion of prayer that it's okay

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to ask for things, sure, But the challenge that we
were given in school was like, I challenge you guys
to go thirty days without asking God for anything. And
we realized really quickly it's like we don't have a
prayer life. Yeah, Like we've shared this with lots of people,
but it's like so I never want anybody to hear

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that it's bad to ask God for things because it's
modeled that way. It's like give us today, or that's
asking God for things. But if that's all we do,
it's like we're missing this relationship thing.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
There you go, that's good, that's an Actually that is
That is revelation for a lot of people right there,
because I don't think there's I think a lot of
Christians have no idea what you just talked about.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, prayer is so much deeper than just asking God
for stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Indeed, about it is that He starts revealing you know
who you are and what giftings you have, and what
he and his plans for you, plans to prosper plans
for you. I mean He has big plans for every person. Yeah,
you know, hardly anybody. I mean so many people have

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no idea what God's plans are for their life because
they've never spent enough time with Him to find out.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Right the truck, So yeah, it was it was so
challenging for us in that season. And it's like we
would we would intentionally set aside so much time of day.
It's like, Lord, do we want to develop this relationship
with you, and we don't want it to be like
we go to a restaurant and ask a waiter for things. Uh,

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because the worst thing that we can do is ask
God to serve us. It's like we're called to serve
Him and h when we just get in that quiet
place and and you know, for for a while, it
was really awkward for me. It's like I would just
sit there and I'm like, oh, man, I don't know
how to do this. And I'm notorious too. It's like

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not trying to have to talk all the time. I
can sit in a car with somebody next to me
and we can go hours without saying anything but one
another and just enjoy each other's presence. And Uh, that
that's how I begin to learn to sit quietly with God.
It's I had to learn to hear his voice. I

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was when when I began to pray, when I was
a new believers, I didn't know how to hear his voice,
and and He began to teach me his voice by
being by me shutting up and listening. I have so
many testimonies of how I've learned to hear the voice
of God and and uh, ironically enough, his first language

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is not English. Uh, so he speaks through so many
different ways and through dreams and visions and all of
these things impressions. And I have some really really cool
testimonies of of just learning to hear his voice and
him teaching me that by me just being quiet. And then, uh,

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I remember one time when I worked for General Mills,
I would travel and I was going to Clovis. We
were living in Lubbock, and I had this vision of
this lady in a bookstore and saw what she was wearing,
how her hair was fixed, and the Lord teld me
her name was Pam. And so I go to all
the bookstores that I know of in Clovis. I was

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calling on Albertson's and Walmart and so I went and
did my deal and I didn't find this lady. And
I'm like, well, maybe that was just you know, a
pizza vision or whatever. And I walk out of Hastings
because that was back in the day of Hastings, and
I look over and there's a bookstore. It was a
Christian bookstore that's no longer opened and Clovis and so

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I'd never seen that store before, and I drove over
and I saw this lady, and I was so afraid
to go talk to her. I was a new believer,
so I went in the store. She was outside having
a conversation with somebody. And I went to the store
and I bought a CD or something just to waste
some time, thinking, well, hopefully she'll be gone by the
time I come out. But she wasn't, obviously, and so
I went to her and I'm like, hey, this is

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not how I recommend anybody opening a conversation with a stranger.
And I just went up to here and I was like, hey,
I'm not a stalker. The Lord give me a vision
of you and like showed me you in a vision
and it's like, by the way, is your name Pam?
And she looked at me really strange, like I was
a stalker, and she's like it is, Bam, my name
is Pam. And my jaw, I'm sure hit the floor.

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And I thought, the Lord's going to show up and
give me this amazing prophetic word for her. You know,
angels are probably going to show up. She maybe get
slain in the spirit or whatever. But now Allie told
me to tell her is like hey, Telor, I love her,
And I'm like, come on, Lord, can't you have something
a little more profound than that? And like, unknowingly, that's

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as profound of a word as you can actually get
from Papa, as hey, I love you, and I prayed
over and I left, and he just began to teach
me his voice, and those just have to get quiet
sometimes and yeah and quit talking and just just getting
his presence.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I love when he shows up in the obvious ways,
but I think it's a cooler eperiences. And some of
the sweetest spots we have with the Lord, and the
sweetest memories we have with the Lord are out of intimacy,
those times where we just slowed down a minute just

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to hear the still small voice. Because in those places
you can completely miss it, and you completely can just
go on about your day and thank God, that was
just me or I'm too busy for that or whatever.
But when we do surrender and we do just slow

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down for a minute and ask him, what are you doing?
What are you showing me? And he always does, and
his treasures are found in people. And I was reading.
I've been doing a chronological study of the Bible, and
it's been cool because I've read the Bible multiple times

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all the way through, and multiple translations, but I had
never read it chronologically, and man, when you read it chronologically,
it just puts so many pieces in place. But I'm
nearing the end of my chronological study. I'll start Revelation
next week. But I've been in Hebrews and and He's

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he's just been showing me so many things about like
Paul and Paul's ministry, and and I've been reading Timothy
and Titus, and you know all of Paul's letters and Paul,
you know, his his secret place, his sweet intimate moments

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with the Lord were in prison. And sometimes I think
we think about this secret place and we think it's this,
you know, glorious place and in places of comforts and
glory and have the Holy ghost goosebumps and and all
of that. But it also can be found in trials
and and tribulations and persecutions and and prison. And that's

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where Paul found his secret place with the Lord and
wrote a third of the New Testament in those places
of intimacy. And and he says multiple times throughout those
books that though he may be in chains, he knows
that the Lord has laid up for him spiritual riches

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and eternal glory and a crown of righteousness and in
all of these amazing spiritual things. So I think that
sometimes we get stuck on it has to look a
certain way, or or we want a certain testimony or
a certain impact or certain results. But Paul wasn't driven

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by results. Paul was in prison. His his drivenness came
from eternal glory, from spiritual riches. And I think that
we have to slow down and think about those things too,
about spiritual riches and and storing up things in heaven
and not just on earth, and pursuing those things, and

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pursuing the things of the spirit, and not worrying about
the things of this world.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
That's that's so so on track, you know. You know,
I really I always contend that you know, it's going
away with the Lord, just taking taking that time to
uh he said, to come away with me in a
place or two and he can't. He said, he said,
you know that that he wants us to pursue him.

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And I think that that that that's one of the
things not only him, but his word. And I think
whenever we get into his word, we study it, we
read it, we get it down into our spirit. It's
the Bible says that it's out of the abundance of
our heart that the mouth speak. I think true praise
comes from true and you know, true relationship comes out

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of out of you know, we have. I had one
guy say, and I love this, and said, the Word
of God is like a tuning fork.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
It will tune.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Your your arts ears into who I am and what
I'm saying. And I love that because it's it's it's
an intimate revelation of who he really is. It's a
love letter that he wrote to us, and we need
to read it kind of in that format.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Sometimes.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
You know that he loves us enough that he wrote
all this stuff, He had men stuff for us to
read and to experience who he is before we actually
get to be with him. And I remember, you know,
going going off to college or whatever. Irene and I
wrote we were class high school sweethearts, but we we

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went to two different colleges, and so we wrote letters
back and forth, and you know, being with her was
a whole lot better than those dumble letters.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
But ill I.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Would never read the letters. Well she was their prison.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
You know, yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Anyway, I would love it if you guys, would just
kind of wrap us up by by given, give given
maybe one last testimony or two that that of things
that God has done in your life and uh, and
then offer our viewing audience here, you know, opportunity to
just receive some ministry from you.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
So you take your.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Leisure and and uh and we'll close out just with
some with some good prayer time or some good uh
uh testimony or whatever y'all want to do. But if
you'd kind of close close it when you get to
the end, well then we'll we'll do that. And once again,
I appreciate you guys coming and being on our show,

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But right now I just really sense that the Holy
Spirit really kind of wants to move and do some
things with with you guys finishing testimonies. So I'm going
to turn that over to you guys.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah, I I was praying and I saw a vision
of At first it looked like a drain, you know,
swirling and and you know, sometimes we feel like in
our lives we get caught in the drain, or we
feel like we're going down the drain, or we feel like,

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you know, we get caught up in the rat race
of busy and you know, life circumstances and whatever, and
we're just going around and around around, But this this
dram wasn't just water. It was like iridescent, beautiful colors,
and and the Lord. I was like, Lord, what is that?

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And He's like, it's not a dream, it's the portal
to my glory. And you know, his word says we
go from glory to glory, and in different seasons, we
experience different measures of his glory. And I just feel
like someone needs to hear that when it feels like

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the end, it's never the end with the Lord, that
he has new levels of glory, and he has new
anointings and purposes and callings, and he's never finished with you.
His word promises that he'll work in us and through
us until he perfects his work within us. And I

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do feel that perfection will be achieved when when we
do get to enter into his glory in eternity. But
I also think that he continues to work in us
every day as long as we're pursuing him. He is
working in us and through us, and we just have

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to lean into what may feel like a drain, what
may feel like a trap, what may feel like just
getting caught up in the whirlwind of life. But lean
into it, but don't lean into it without him. Take
him with you and ask him, ask him questions, what

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is this and what is that? And I was reading
in Second Timothy earlier, and the Lord showed me in
Second Timothy three, verse ten, it starts, but you have
carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, persecutions,

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afflictions which happened to me at Antioch and Iconium and
at Lystra. What persecucutions I endured? And out of them
all the Lord delivered me. Yes, And all who desire
to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But
evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving

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and being deceived. But you must continue in the things
which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from
whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you
have known the holy scriptures which are able to make
you wise for salvation through faith in and which is

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in Christ Jesus. You know Paul prepares us for life
in Christ. And he says that we'll all experience persecutions
and will all experience trials, but in the Word, the
Word promises. When we endure in the Word and stand
firm in our faith, that endurance promises eternal glory and

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heavenly rewards. So if you're fighting the good fight, and
life in Christ has been hard, and you've faced some things,
health issues, family issues, whatever you're going through, I just
want to encourage you that you go from glory to glory.
So the good things you've experienced in the Lord are

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not over and he's not done with you yet. Lean
into the Word, lead into the presence of Jesus, and
know that through the Holy scriptures that they're able to
make you wise, and he will give you a plan
and He will always show up and give you wisdom
and direction in every season.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Yeah, I just really feel like there's maybe a group
that have listened to this, whether it's listening to it
live or even after that, the Lord just says, hey,
like he's proud of you, like he sees your heart.
Maybe you feel like you were just going kind of
through the motions and and you're doing all these things
and and you kind of got a bit of a

(54:18):
checklist to like, here's what I feel like the Lord's
wanted me to do, and I've done all this and
I've not experienced the joy of the Lord, the true love.
So it's like, I just want to release that over
you guys in Jesus name that that we all get
to get back to this place where we see Papa

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as a as a good, good daddy, that that he
endured the cross for the joy set before him. It
doesn't say that he enjoyed the cross. He endured it
because of the joy. It's like, you, guys are the
joy that was set before Jesus that he endured the
cross for. So I just I just just release a

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place back in in your lives of favor where the
Lord shows up with the testimonies of the he wants
to see your desires come to pass, that he's actually
put your heart. Sorry, release that over over the people
that are listening. I also feel like I hear the
Lord saying that he's healing hip, a right hip, specifically

(55:25):
a right hip if like, uh, I'm dyslexic, so if
you have a left hip that he's healing too, He's like,
he's good enough for that. So in the name of Jesus,
we just command hips to line up with Heaven. Right now,
we commend the enemy to turn loose of of people's infirmities. Lord,
we just release healing. Uh, just the glory of Heaven

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to come over people and heal their bodies. That it's
it's your presence that heals. It's it's the the resurrected Jesus.
It's it's the that touches people's mortal bodies. That Lord,
we just we just thank you for healing. We thank
you that by your strips we were healed. That it
was not only something that you did in the past,

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but it's something you're currently doing. So Lord, we just
speak life over spirit, souls, and bodies and Jesus name Fred.
We've enjoyed it. We thank you for inviting us. That's
been a joy to be with you.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Amen, thank you guys for ministering to us.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
All.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
It's been a good.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
God is always good and he's always on our side,
and you know, sometimes we just need to be reminded
of that and that he wants us to come away
with him in that secret place. He wants to tell us,
give us information that will be beneficial to us.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
He wants to bless it.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Amen, he wants to be a blessing, and you guys
have been quite a blessing tonight. Thank you so much
for sharing your testimony and your life with us.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
We so appreciate it. For now, I.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Think all of you guys that are out there, tune
back in again every Thursday at seven o'clock. We try
to have somebody special and we just we just want
you blessed.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
We want you in the word of God.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
We want you to know that God loves you and
made you and loves to have conversation with you. So
for now we're going to say bye bye. We'll see
you guys later. Thanks again to Tiffany and Steven. We
appreciate your your testimonies, and we just speak a blessing

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over your children off out there in school and you're
a good time together for as in the new step
of a head.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Bye bye bye, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
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