S6E44-Jeff Swenson

A Man after God! Authority & Spiritual Power are given to every Christian believer.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
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tonight here, Swinson, and I appreciate you showing up with us, Jeff,
welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Oh, thank you very much. Fred, appreciate you having me on.
I'm excited to be here and see what the Lord
has to say tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
We're excited about it. We have a good visit before
before the show started here, and I'll tell you what
you're in trip for a treat tonight because you've got
a lot of things going on, and he's life and
it's good. He has a beautiful wife as well. And
I hope you'll just kind of look at the uh
little introit thing that we have the poster thing, because

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she's a she's a beautiful woman too, and evidently she's
at KARIS. Is that correctly? Is she is she working
at KARS?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, she is. She's a she's one of the regional
directors for the college's uh Asia Pacific region of the world.
You're a graduate of KARS YEP, third year graduate. We
uh we. My wife and I also lead the second
year mission teams. We leave everyone every year usually in.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, your your mission's got to that's you mentioned that
earlier and I loved that. You know, there's just not
anything exactly like seeing somebody, you know, the light come
on whenever you're out presenting the gospel or out you know, uh,
laying hands on the sick and and and some you know,

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God shows up and does something miraculous. They're just watching
those lights come on.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, there's something to Fred. There's something about when you
leave the country. I don't know what it is, but
when you leave the country and step out and you
do the works of the kingdom, especially in these other
countries like Man, I mean, that's where you see the
Book of Acts come alive. Like the first time I
went I it was my second year. It was my

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second year. That was the first mission trip I ever
had to take.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
And they basically dragged me on that plane. Like I
didn't know of all places we were going to Mexico
and I never really ever left the country. I did
not want to go, Like, and we got down there
and we started seeing miracles. I'm like, what this is?
This is actually real? Like this this is the real deal,

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Like actually they We were in a small village, a
SMA all farming village up in the mountains of Mexico
and Long Story Shore. It was a village. Basically hardly
any men left in this village because they all had
to leave to go work. And it was about five
thousand people, about half the town I think showed up

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that night. We did an outreach and it was a
great time. And then afterwards we had prayer service, Like
we were all standing up front and they were coming there.
We were lined up there, there was a line for
every one of us. I was just saying, like, you know,
just praying, and this little old man brought his wife

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up and I could tell when she's coming up. She
couldn't see. And her kids that were probably even in
their fifties, they were helping her too. She was totally blind.
She was blind for like fifteen years. Diabetes had taken
her vision. M HM, can you pray for my wife
for for she can see? Yeah, I'm like yeah, And

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we had a translator, you know, And I started praying,
and I kind of looked up with the lady and
she had it like she had to grab her handkerchief
out of her pocket and she was wiping her eyes,
and I started looking she'd like jelly, like you know what,
maasoline looks like that yellow like jelly coming out of

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her eyes. And then all of a sudden, she looked
up and she could see, and she was immediately like
crying and praising the Lord and her husband like he
even freaked out. He like kissed me on the cheeks,
like he was just they were all like the family.
And I'm just like, I'm addicted. I mean, I'm in forever.
I'm doing this the rest of my life. And I

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got back to the college. I went right to the
missions director. I said, time me up for leading a
trip next year. And I went back and I've been
doing it ever since.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
You know. I was over in Uganda and we were
praying for a woman. She was she was blind, she
was deaf, and she had her feet turned around backwards,
literally her feet stuck out the wrong way. The pastor

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from over at herford and I were praying for her.
And you know it too to describe what happens, you know,
by the spirit is just just you know, almost unbelievable
as it's likely, like the word says. You know, it's
almost too good to be true. Woman, You know, how

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do you she? She was you gone, and so she
didn't speak the language. We couldn't she couldn't hear, and
she couldn't see. All we could do is just touch her,
you know, and and and and calm her down and
pat on her a little bit, you know, to pray
for her. Her eyes popped open, her ears popped open,

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and her feet began to turn and we heard literally
it's a lot of noise going on, but we literally
heard her her bones kind of popping, cracking and turning. Wow,
those feet turned around the right way, and I swear
she beat us up on the stage and gave testimony

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of what God had just done.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's incredible, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
And to see those kinds of things happen. And you know,
if you if you, if you're not, if you go
to some church that you know, you've never seen any
of that, it's an eye opener. And it's amazing that
God would still do that kind of stuff. But he
does all the time. Yea. And why people preach the

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you know and teach that all that passed away, I
have no idea, and you know they need to hang
out with with you know a few of these guys
that I mean no better, we know better?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, I know. And that ever since my eyes were
really like open too spiritually, and see how God just
wants to reach out. He wants to heal everybody, He
wants to touch everyone's lives, he wants to know everybody.
That's what changed my whole life, Like I don't that's
my fire, Like that's what gets me riled up. And
I'm like, then I got like you said, you hear these.

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I mean, I'm from a church that preached that. I
mean Lutheran church that was where I was raised, and
God bless them. I think the Lutherans a lot for
the foundational things, but man, when it came to like
the miraculous stuff and.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Like they got us born again, and I'm hum m hm.
You know, I do wish that more churches understood the
power of the whole of the Holy Spirit and the
presence and how I actually I wish I wish a
lot of people would just know the authority that we

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have as born absolutely. And I know that you're you
you have a book and you have you know, some stuff.
We'll get to that in a little while, but but
authority is one of those things that I want to
touch on tonight. I know that you have focused on that,
the spiritual warfare and authority, but I really like it

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whenever you know, if you look at all four gospels
record the fact that Jesus went to his disciples and
he said, I give you know, I give you authority.
This is pre Pentecost, so it didn't have anything to
do with that. This is just pure simple. Every believer

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has the authority to do about four things. If you read,
you know there's there's different versions of it there, but uh,
basically heal the sick, raised the dead, cast out demons,
and priests with Gospel. I mean, you know, every believer
has that authority. And I don't think you know most

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believers have no clue.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
No clue the majority of the church, Like I mean,
I mean, I ain't gonna lie. I struggle with that
whole concept when I got born again and on my
walk with the Lord and I was hearing these teachings,
but my carnal mine, my religious mindset whatever, I did
not want to fully accept it. And I mean God

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had a work on me for years to finally get
me to fully see it. And man, once he did,
it's just amazing. Like I told my wife, if you
took all the faith, all the revelation, everything I had
up to even a year ago, yeah, it's not a
tenth of what he's given me now. It's because the

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faith and revelations are exponential. With the Lord, everything the
Lord does is exponential. But man, it's just oh I
do that's my passion. I want to see all believers
come to the revelation knowing their authority, because if you
used to just think about all the things for it,
all the reasons like apheists give agnostics like if there's

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a God, why would he allow this? Or why do
the good always die young? You know? Or the Lord
only takes the good ones? I mean, those are lies
from the pit of hell. Like now that I know,
I'm like, this is the biggest scheme, the biggest scam
the devil's ever pulled over the church. He's got the
whole world believing it, and all it takes is opening

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up your Bible and reading it in the context it
was there from the very beginning. Like it's just like
it's just like if a rich man, let's say, a
big rich rancher, you know, you and I can relate
to that, a big rich rancher gave part of his
ranch to one of his children, like sign the title over.

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He is no more legal a legally, he has no
more rights to that ranch. He signed him over to
his son. That's what happened when God made the earth.
He made the earth for man and gave it to him.
It says he delights in that pleasure to give his
children the kingdom of God, and he gave that. That

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was the first commandment, as you know, you know, that's
the first commandment that God gave Manlet was take dominion
over the other and subdue it. And even that word
subdue means to put in subjection, to fight, and till
you know, you put things under your feet, you make
him submit to you. And that's how the Lord originally

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intended it. And then as you know, when Adam sinned
and gave in to the devil, the devil basically robbed
the authority for man, and he had it all the
way up until Jesus came to earth, and Jesus restored
all that authority. That's part of the reason why God
had to come as a man, because the authority was

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originally given to man. That's why Jesus had to be
man to walk that life out perfectly sinless, to regain
that authority and give back to man. Now in this
new covenant, he's the king, he's the lord, you know,
the king of king, the Lord of lords. But he
shares that authority with us, and when he's in heaven,

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he's like, look, you got to do my will you
got to exercise my authority on earth. And we do
this for reasons because he wants he doesn't want pain
and suffering on the earth. He doesn't want sickness on
the earth. He doesn't want anything that's not of him
on the earth. It's basically that simple. And that's even
like why he commanded, you know, lay hands on the sick.

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He told us as believers, because we have the authority
to heal the sick by the stripes of Jesus. He
obtained that healing, purchased it, and we're supposed to carry
out that assignment for the Lord.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, we really are. And that's that's so important. You know,
we have we have an assignment and and it's an
important assignment, you know, And and that's that's part of
the authority. That's the reason he gave us the authority
is to do the assignment. And I think, you know,
I love Charis because they they they really focus in

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on Okay, you need to immerse yourself in the Word,
and you need to get full of the Word, because
that's the in my opinion, it's like the Word of
God is like a tuning fork. It tunes your spiritual
error into the voice of God and that is so vital.
And you know it's a Bible school, so for crime
all loud, you need to read your Bible, you know.

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But the other thing that that that Chris is really
big on, and that is to discover who it is
that you are. Absolutely, you know, we all have vague
idea of who we are, but we don't you know
who we are in Christ as a whole diver ball
game and as one of the hallmark features of of

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Charis is they really and you can you can speak
to this because you've been there, but man, they really
pressed that that the presence and and and understanding of
you know what am I called it? What's my job?
What's my purpose? God's plan for me? That's really that's

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really so key exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
You know that that first year Chris was so it's
always instrumental to everyone that goes through it because that
first year they're really just really in who you are
in Christ. You're like, you are righteous in the eyes
of God by that blood of Jesus. Like when he
looks at you, he sees Jesus, he sees the blood.

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We are now God's children, We are adopted sons and
daughters of the most high and that was all thanks
to Jesus we are. That's where our identity is. You
have to see that because that's the only way you
can actually exercise your authority, which is more like in
the year two they teach more of your authority. You

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got to know who you are in Christ before you
know what you can and cannot do in your authority.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
That's so true, and you know that that is that
that's one of the main things, is who you are
in Christ. And making that discovery is so critical, yep.
And it's just so it's so fundamental. But you know,
people people wonder their whole life and they have no

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idea really who they are. They they know what they've done,
they know what they've you know, accomplished, they know who
they've run around with, and they know a lot about
and all stuff, but they really never have tapped into
their the one that created them they really are.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's so fun to watch people, you know, step into
that understanding of who they really are in Christ and
it's just nothing different. I mean, it's nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I even feel like that's the biggest one of the
biggest hindrance has always been to the church. In the
last centuries. Is they had a sinner's conscience like they
they saw themselves. They identified as sinners, which we all know.
We're born. We're born sinners like that is our that
was your identity when you were born. You're a born

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a sinner. It's not that you did a specific sin
that made you one. You were born that way. But
they always disregard or downplay what Jesus did. He didn't
just give them a t get to heaven. That's not
what he died and went through that horrible sacrifice for
he died to get you into heaven, yes, but he
also died to bring Heaven to earth. Now like in

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a sense, the kingdom on Earth is that hand he
said he wasn't seeing that in the future cans He
meant that hand, right.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
I love that scripture in one John four seventeen. It's
as as he is.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
So are we in this world?

Speaker 1 (19:26):
So are we in this in this world? I mean,
you know it's not after we die and fly. You
know it now it's real now a word in it.
And we need to know who we are. We need
to know whose we are, and we need to know
what we're here for. Absolutely, you know, that is just
so so good. And if you look at that scripture,

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you look back and you say, Okay, what Jesus did
on this earth, he just he said that we're going
to be able to do the same.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yep. And greater you learn.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
About him is the more you learn about what you're
capable mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Absolutely. And then man, yeah, then he ascends into heaven
and we get the Holy Spirit living in us, and
he's at like, that's why he said, you'll do works
I did, and greater because I go to my father.
So he's up there with the Father one and one,
and he's given us his spirit here on earth. People

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have got to realize the power that comes with that
Holy Spirit.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
That dunamus power and the Greek you know, the word
for powers dunamus, like where we get a word dynamite.
There is so many even spiritfield believers, that they don't
fully comprehend the power we have in our authorities that
when we're born again believers.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
They don't know. No, I don't know, you know, and
you and and you know, if you don't know, you
don't know. But but there's not a real good excuse
for not knowing because there's so many things that are
available to us. Yeah, you know, especially in this day
and in time. You know, there's no there's so many

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good things that are distractions too granted, but there really is.
If you if you're really desiring to find out, you
can do it. I mean, there's tons of ways to
tap into what to real answers.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
I just believe, like the most crucial step is you
got to know him. You gotta press in every single
day because he wants to know you. It's just like
it's just like a father and a son here on earth.
The more they spend time together, the more the more
they walk with one another. Let's say, if they go
on more like spend all their hunting trips together, and

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the more of that son becomes like the father, whether
good or bad. That's why it's so crucial. Like how
you men, even all these boys, they need a father
figure in their life and a good father figure. But
it's the same way for us. The more time we
spend with the father, the more we become like him.

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And so many people, you know, they even fight like
sin and addictions and temptations and stuff. But if you're
walking with him every day, the more you walk with him.
Just like a son walking on the earth with his father,
he's gonna, like, he's not gonna be trying to do
something he's not supposed to do when he's with it,
when he's walking hand in hand with his father, Just

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like we the more we walk with the Lord, the
less our our eyes around him instead of align ourselves
and sin and temptations and everything else.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
You know, a lot of guys, a lot of people
really have a poor father figures and growing up and
and I understand that, I get that. But on the
other side of that, you know, if you're if you're
going to be like your father, you have to spend
some time with you. If you're family father will, you
need to spend time with him. And I really think

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that that's a real key to learning how to be
a better father yourself, is to spend time with the father. Yeah,
he's going to teach you all things you have need
of knowing.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Absolutely, And so yeah, I really I really knowing that
that is what Like, I have such empathy on sons,
and you know, boys and girls that have to grow
up with either no father at all or they grew
up with a bad father. Just man, I mean, a

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lot of us are super blessed. I was blessed with
amazing dad. A lot of us are. There's a lot
of us that aren't without without ever being around like
being exposed to being with a good dad. That's why
a lot of people struggle going to the earthly I
mean their heavenly Father, because they just can't see a
dad being good. But you know, the heavenly Father is

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good and he's persistent. He's going to get through to
the ones that are searching for him. But yeah, it's
just it's all. That's what it comes. It's crucial to
spend time with the Lord, just like Jesus did. He
didn't he spent all that time on his own on
the mountain, praying, spending time and only doing what the
Father showed him to do.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
And that's and that's why I think you have your
book has has has has said some a lot of
things about I want you to just take a little
bit of time and tell us about the book that
you've written, because I think it's real crucial to what
our conversation here anyway. So I'm gonna but out for

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just a few minutes and let you do that. I'll
try to try to get a picture of your book
cover or something to do it after.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay, well, yeah, I this book stemmed. I mean it
started back in twenty twenty two. I would just share,
you know, some of my revelations and my testimonies with
some friends. I had one good friend always like, when
are you going to write that book? When are you going?
You should write a book? And then the then the

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Lord kept getting on getting on me to write this book.
Write the book, write the book. Finally I'm like, okay,
I've never wrote a book in my life. I'm like,
I don't know where to start. And I felt like
the Lord said, sit down and just start typing. So
I did. It was August of twenty twenty two, and
it's all based off my revel like my testimony in

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other testimonies I've had, but it also the biggest revel
like how I got this revelation goes back to I
had a bad accident when I was eleven years old,
a bad go kart accident. Long story. Sure, miraculously I
got healed, but I had a lot of scar tissue
in my lungs and anyway, that led to years and

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years of battling pneumonia. Like I never could go a
year without having pneumonia. I mean I was in and
all the doctor and hospitals and so many times, and
it never really got better. I mean, every cold and
flu season, I would just start planning on being sick.
And sometimes these pneumonia would last three weeks, four weeks.

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And so it was my third year actually at Karris
at the Bible College, and man, it was like one
of the worst years I had. Like I was thinking,
I was going on my sixth time in that school
year having pneumonia, and it was March and I was

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starting I was missing out on a lot of things
at school. I had projects going on and internships, and
I'm like, I'm so sick of being sick. And I
mean I was praying, I was believing. I was confided,
like declaring I'm healed by his stripes, and pneumonia just
kept coming back and back, and finally one day I'm

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just like, I'm I'm going to get in my truck.
I ain't coming home. I ain't coming back until I'm healed.
I know the word. The word says I'm healed. I
believe it. I'm going to find out. And I ain't come.
I'm refusing to give in this time, I'm going out.
I'm getting my truck. I'm just driving, me and the Lord,
and I'm going to get to the bottom why I'm sick.

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So I did. I hit the road and I was
driving along. I was praying in the spirit, praying, and
finally I'm like, Lord, just I need answers. Why am
I not getting delivered from the sickness I've had it?
I mean, I was twenty what was I about twenty
nine at the time. And it all started when I

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was eleven and I heard the Lord say, He's like,
you're not getting mad enough. You're not getting mad enough
at the things of the devil. Sickness is not of me.
Sickness is of the darkness. And that's basically all he said.
And something lit up in me. It's hard to explain

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with words. I really, I mean, it's the name of
my book. I got pissed off. I really did. I
got righteously pissed off. And finally I'm like, I am healed.
I was yelling. I was like, I am healed, and
this is it. And I was delivered. The sickness was gone.

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I was praising God I came home. After five hours,
I came home. That was in two thousand and March
of twenty sixteen. I've never had pneumonia again. It's never
came back. I'm like, and I started like building on
this revelation because I'm like, this is my biggest testimony,

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because I literally thought I was gonna struggle with that
with the rest of my life. But it was getting
so angry and fed up with the things of darkness,
the things of the devil. That's what it took is
me getting so fed up in my spirit that it
drove out all that fear, drove out the unbelief. And

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then I kind of started basing, you know. I'm like,
if I can be if I can be healed, why
can't I do other things? You know? So I just
started sharing, you know, this message with others, you know,
the same message, and boy, like just sharing with some
other people, and when they would get the revelation in

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their spirit, they too would get mad, like they would
stay like put their foot down and like say no more,
this is it. I mean, we've recently just even I
shared part of my chapter or one of the chapters
out of the book on a mission trip in Panama,
and there was a pastor there at this conference, and
he heard what I was speaking on. He went home

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and told his wife, who was had twelve or fifteen
years battling chronics, guietic neuropain. It would never go away.
She heard. All she all the pastors did was tell
his wife what I talked about, and she got it
right away. She stood up, threw her foot down. She's like,
that's it. I'm healed. That's it, I'm healed. She get mad,

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and instantly she was healed, like the pain went away.
And they found a way to get a hold of
us to tell us the testimony. They were so happy,
they were crying. There's more and more. But that's the thing,
is this righteous anger, you know, Fred, so many, so

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many of us, I mean, including myself, the Church, the world.
They've always kept teaching angers a bad thing. Anger is bad.
Don't be angry. Well, God made us in his own image.
He gave us all these emotions. And the Lord clearly
gets angry, like we saw that with Jesus flipping the tables.

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We saw it all throughout the Bible, like he would
get angry at Israel. He get angry at when enemies
came against his people, so we got it, like, why
did he give us this anger? What's the point of
the anger? And it's never against your fellow man or
your fellow brother. It's that anger is against darkness, the

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things of sin, the things of all evil. We are
not to tolerate him. And we have authority over them,
and they have God like the things of darkness say,
and all the demons everything has to answer. They have
to submit to us. The problem is we have too
much unbelief in our mind. And interesting enough, I just

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actually recently we found this out.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
I'll tell you what. The doubt and unbelief is one
of those one of those things that you know that
that's really the the the problem with deception is is
so deceiving, you know, yep, you know, and and so
many people are they just you know, they walk in

(32:23):
a lot of deception. And it's a spiritual problem that
we have. It's because we lack authority, we lack understanding,
we lack scripture. We like, we like relationship with a father,
and you know, it's just so so many things are
tied into that. But you know, in order to understand

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who you are in Christ, you really have to tap
in and we need each other for that. You know,
we need to so much. The more that as we
see the day approaching, we need to be encouraging each
other a lot. And I love your book. I tried
to get it up on the screen for a few
minutes there, and I like, I like, I like your title.

(33:10):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
You know, I struggled with that title. I really, I'm like,
when I sat down and I typed it, I type,
having righteous anger and the Lord, the Lord, I mean,
I argued with him back and forth because he's like, no,
I don't want you to call it that. I want
you to call it for what it is. You call
it having pissed off faith. I'm like, Lord, Church, I mean,

(33:32):
who's going to buy that from the church. She's like,
the people I want to buy this book are going
to buy it. The people I don't want reading this
book are the ones that aren't going to buy it.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
They're too religious to pick up that sort of a book.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, but I was, I was saying, like, what's cool.
I just found this out, Like the Lord even made
us our brains. I just found out we're in a
scientific perspective. Our brains are made this way, so opposite,
you know, all opposite of faith. It all rips from fear.

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I mean, that's all. That's that's what stops faith from
working is fear. Even doubt, unbelief is rooted in fear.
It's fear of being sick or fear that even like
I was having, I was having a fear that these
prayers I was praying, this the authority I was speaking
wasn't working. And just that it just takes a little
bit and it can block it all from happening. I

(34:28):
found out just recently, is that part of the brain,
like when we're met with a threat, you know, where
it could be a fire, it can be any kind
of threat, sickness, whatever, the brain can it. There's a
fork in the road in the brain and that part
of the brain where that threat is at, it can

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either go into anger or it can go into fear.
And fear, you know, there's that flight what is they
called flight fight or freeze mode. And even that kind
of fight that you could go into that's not an
offensive fight, that's a defensive fight. But when you go
into that anger mode, that part of the brain, that's

(35:11):
an offensive anger. And what's interesting is when you. They can't.
They can't. They can't be simultaneously. Like the brain cannot
be angry in fighting an offense and be in fear
at the same time. It's impossible. So when you get
like righteously angry, just so ticked off, you fed up,

(35:33):
You're like, you're gonna get it, devil, I'm done with you.
There's no place like the fear, the doubt, the unbelief,
it can't exist in your brain. And it's like, this
is why God made us this way, this is why
we're made in his own image. He gave us every
all of his same you know, only emotions he has.
And my like, that's my what I feel like the

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real the Lord's really calling me to do is teach
people you gotta stand up. You can't tolerate the things
of the devil. And like that scripture James four seven,
that that whole verse, if you break that down into
the Greek, if you can pull that, can you do?
You have that up there you go, if you pull

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that up into the Greek. You know in the English
we always have in our minds. You know, therefore semit
to God resists the devil, and he will flee from you.
When we think of resisting English, we think like, well,
I gotta, I gotta withstand this storm, I gotta, I
gotta hunker down and take shelter. No, that word resist
in Greek is a military word to actively fight against

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your enemy and do not even give him one inch
of what is yours, like hold your line. You don't
let him cross that line at all if he crosses
like that's the military term. And that word flee there,
that's another word in the Greek that describes. It's the
adjective to describe a coward, and it also means to

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actively seek shelter with haste. So when we like submit
ourselves to God, we submit to him his righteousness, like
our identity that He's given us. When we submit to God,
we got to fight against that devil and remind him
who we are, who we are in Christ, our righteousness.

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That's how we fight him.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
As soon as you do that, when he when he
he cannot stand, he cannot withstand, He can't even be
in the presence of truth because he's a liar. When
you speak the truth he has he runs for cover.
He's he's seeking his own self preservation. At that point,
that's what that word means in the Greek. And what's
so interesting too, is like people got this mentality that

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we're victims. You know, even a lot of us more spiritual,
we have this victim mentality that you know, the devil's
just the devil just took one another one, or he
just how is just making me struggle so much? No,
we got to change that mindset because actually, when you

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read the New Testament, that whole, like even the epistles,
if you go from like acts all the way through Revelation,
sixty to seventy percent of that in the Greek, in
the Greek language that they used to write it is
in the military tone, meaning sixty to seventy percent of

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it is military language. Even the epistles that Paul wrote,
which is really interesting is he they are written the
exact same way that Rome would send the marching orders
to the Roman soldiers the troops all around the region.
Like those those marching order pa like the papers they

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would send, they were divided like a up in two
and the first part basically told them this is who
you are, this is your you know, you're called to
be this specific platoon or whatever. Basically told them who
they are, who their identity is, and then it told
them their mission to go out and attack or do

(39:20):
this or whatever. And I just find it interesting that
the epistles are written in that exact same structure. Like
I think, what we got to have the mindset of
is a soldier. It's all about being a sold Like
the scripture is clear. After the Resurrection, we're referred to as,

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you know, soldiers. The apostle Paul, he referred to us
as soldiers all the time. We have to realize we
are at war with the enemy. Before that, you know,
the war is over. That was between man and God.
Jesus settled that. But now it's us versus darkness. It's

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God's light going through us against the darkness of this world.
That answers why, And that makes that because clears up
all these questions believers have had for years. Why Why
does God only take the good ones? Why? Why does
this happen? Why is there so much evil in the world.
It had nothing to do with God. It has to

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do with there's darkness in the world. We're at war.
You're at war with the enemy and God. And what
Jesus did gave us every weapon that we ever need
to destroy him. And we gotta we gotta know this,
We got to know who we are. We can't tolerate
this nonsense any longer.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Absolutely, you know that I love The scripture says love
cast out all fear. Those one of those things that
and it's not you know, sometimes people missed that scripture
because really it's talking about love himself. He's the one
that cast out fear.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
And so whenever you know that your father loves you
and you have a loving relationship with him, he will
remove that fear out of your life. You're not fearful
because you know the one that backs you up, you know,
is encapsulating you and giving you all that you need.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I just I just want to encourage you with that
because it's so important that we understand. You know that
that God loves us. He is we're truly we are.
He gave us power to become children of God Most High.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Absolutely. Again, that's the cord at all, that's the cord
to our salvation is knowing how much He loves us.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
And we get and knowing who we are.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yeah, in him.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
I mean my kids whenever they whenever they came home,
they didn't come to me and asked me permission to
go get in the refrigerator. No, that's my home. I'm
gonna go get that whatever. You know that they had
a huge name on them, you know, at the Jesus
name on us. Brother.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
No, that's so good. Yeah, you know, even when I
go do these mission trips or whatever or nothing will
destroy the works of darkness more in a person's life
then getting them to understand how much God loves them.
I mean it that that love of God. Hearing that
love of God, that's really that's what separates the darkness

(42:43):
from the light. And that's another like another reason why
so many people struggle Christians is they don't know how
much God loves them. They they start doubting you. And
that's even where that doubt and unbelief come in, Like, well,
God must be giving me this sickness to teach me
a lesson. What kind of loving father would ever give

(43:07):
their children sickness that that isn't a loving father. What
kind of loving father would want their child to be
broke or poor or lonely or go through any tread
like that's actually the one of the father's worst nightmares
that we have to suffer calamity and chaos. That's why

(43:29):
I like, that's why Jesus came again, like he wanted
to like rescue us from this mentality. And it's time
we have to start preaching it again. We have to
get to know who we are and who we're battling. Yeah, oh, Fred,

(43:54):
I think I lost you. O there, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
There you are?

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, Okay, anyway, I think we have to have a
little pissed off faith, So take what's done. You know,
it's important that we that we get mad at the
devil and keep and keep our focus on on Jesus
and our eyes on him. You know, I love I
love the the scripture talks about Peter and he took

(44:31):
his eyes off of Jesus and kind of started looking around,
you know, and it says he began to sink. You know,
I'm having trouble visualizing that beginning to sink part. You know,
I know that for me, I go down quickly if
if I take my eyes off of him, if I
lose my focus. Uh. It is it is something very

(44:53):
very important, and part of keeping the focus on him
is understanding and that we do have an enemy that
wants to.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Take our focus off him.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
He's seeking whom he may and he's got an m
he know, he comes to steal, kill and destroy. Ye
And you know, you know, I understood that the kill part.
I understand the steal part, but that destroy I never
did quite get that. I finally found it scripturally, you know,

(45:27):
and got got it all lined out. And what it
means is it means that he wants he wants you
off of the planet, as if you never existed. I
don't know if you've ever seen the Little Christmas Story
where you know, the guy wipes the mountains he didn't

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like he never existed before, you know, and it was like,
you know, the whole the whole picture changes whenever the
enemy would be able to take you out and remove
any any notion, any knowledge of your existence. That's how
deep his hatred is for us. And you know, honestly,

(46:12):
that's the kind of love that God has for us.
Just in reverse of that God really loves us, is
that he wants to protect us from that very thing
the enemy has in store for us. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
So true. Yeah, And then we gotta we gotta remember
too that he is a defeated vote the devil has
been stripped of his power. The only the only power
he has now is what we give him. And we
still always out of ignorance we give him power, yep,
like when you conform, Like all the power we have

(46:48):
on earth is through the word, Like through what we confess.
You know. It's like as the mouse speaks, so be it.
You know, That's how it is in this world. Our
authority is out of our mouths. So when we sit
there and we say, well, you know, must be God's
will that I gets cancer or I think, you know,

(47:11):
God just wants us to be humble and poor and
you know, just be a good person. That gives the
devil legal access to do that because he can go
to God and like just like you know, it's the
same way in this physical realm, when someone is arrested,
what's the first thing they're told. They read them their

(47:31):
rights and they say, whatever you say shall be held
against you in the court of law. It's the same
way in this spiritual you know, spiritual courtroom. The devil
will go to the spiritual courtroom and tell you, well,
look this is what they said. And it's not like
we can't. God's a god of truth and order, and

(47:54):
that's why he had like it has to like it
happens when you confess you're gonna get sick and die,
the devil's going to have legal right to steal and
like destroy and kill you. Yeah, we have to watch
our words. It's one of the biggest things. You know,
in room taught me. You gotta know what you gotta
watch your words.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, you know, the words are so powerful. People really
don't have any clue as to how powerful the word is.
And put God's word in your mouth and release that.
It is so different now the abundance of the heart
the mouth speaks. You want to know what's really in
your heart.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
You just listen to what you're saying exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
You know what's coming out of your mouth, and you
know you need to judge that you're going, like which
kingdom is this just coming out of and kind of
judge what it is that's coming out of our own man,
because we want to be sowing good seed. We want
to be powerful words of God of Jesus because if

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we his word when he's sent out, it'll perform have
to do and we need to expect that. We had
believers need to expect and anticipate a performance of God's
word that's coming out of our mouth.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yep, big, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
And we didn't touch on spiritual warfare, but that's really
what spiritual warfare is. It's it's it's taking the word
of God. That's that's the offensive weapon that we have
mm hm, taking the word of God and putting it
in our mouth and speaking it.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
For Yeah, well that's why, that's why the Bible calls
you know, the apostle Paul, I believe was Paul that
said we are kings and priests. God has made us
kings and priests. Yes, well, if you think about it,
what does a king do? The king actually doesn't do
anything physically. Usually he sits and gives orders. He speaks.

(49:54):
That's how you get stuff done. And I think that's
you know, means basically the physical realm is I don't want,
I don't want if I say fake or whatever, but
it all roots from the spiritual realm. It is if
a lot, if we could all see what really is
going on this, we would all shape up real quickly.

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We only look at the physical and our circumstances. But
it's it's those words because we're kings we're kings in
that spiritual realm, and when we speak, we release that authority,
whether for good or bad.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
And that's why it goes back to knowing who you
are in Christ and knowing your father. And you know,
like we were talking about knowing and knowing that how
much he loves you, because you if you knew him
that much, you wanted to say things like God must
want me to suffer or whatever. You know, the age
old stories and sayings that they all say. And but

(50:53):
I'm just you know, it's this this anger, I got,
this righteous anger. That's part of the reason I wrote
this book is I too. I can feel the heart
of the Father. He's so fed up. He's like he's
angry watching his children get destroyed here on earth and
you can just get drugged through the mud, and like

(51:15):
he's wanting the truth to be established, that he's for us,
that he only wants the best for us. He's he
doesn't want us to be sick. And this time, you know,
and the time there's a lot of there's time now
that a lot of us have to rise up and
make this know.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, well I'll tell you what I really do want
to press on, but we're about to run out of time,
and so I want to I want to give you opportunity, Jeff,
just to kind of wrap up our discussion right quick
and then and then pray for folks that are watching us.
I want you out there to understand that you know

(51:53):
the prayer of a righteous man, and this is a
righteous man over here and avails much. That means to
prevail over. That means that he can take care of
business in your behalf. He will join you in a
prayer of faith. And whether you need to be born again,
or you need to be filled with the Holy Spirit,
or you need to be healed in your body, whatever

(52:15):
it is, as Jeff praised for you, I want you
to hitch up with him and believe God will work
through him into you.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah. I'll wrap it up quick, Fred. So there's three
things I want to speak to the audience and speak
to those listening. There's three like foundational truths that you
have to understand as a believer. That first one, the
most fundamental one, is like what we are saying, you
have to know the Father. You have to know how

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much he loves you. That you have to know Jesus.
You have to walk with him. You have to know
him just like you would know anyone around you, your
best friend, your dad, your mom. And you have to
have that knowing relationship and know that he's deeply in
love with all of us. We are his children in
his eyes. Two, you have to know who you are

(53:10):
in Christ. You have to know what he died for,
that he made you righteous. Your sins are no longer
accounted to you once you are born again. He gave
you his blood. And when you're sitting there staying, well,
I'm just a sinner, you're basically telling the devil or whoever,
your blood wasn't enough. You have to repent of that.

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That's what the word repent means, is a change direction
of your thinking. You have to realize all that He
did for you, that his blood was more than enough
to make you righteous. The actions that you do in
this world and this body, that's your flesh. Your flesh
is dead to God. He doesn't see your flesh. He

(53:53):
sees your spirit. Your spirit is his. He's made you righteous.
You have to know who you are in Christ. Third,
you have to know your authority. You have to know
the authority that He's given you the power that your
words speak. You have to see yourself as the king
that he made you. He's the king of kings, the

(54:16):
kings that the plural part that's us. You have to
realize that he's the ultimate king. He's the one we
all bow our need to. But here on earth. He's
given every one of us a small part of his
kingdom to rule over, whether whatever that is, whether it's
a part of an industry or a ministry or whatever.

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He's made you a king. You have to remember when
you're a king of authority and the authority is given
through words. If you spend time with the Father, he's
just like Jesus. He's going to show you what to do.
He's going to show you what actions would authority to
carry out to do the will of our heavenly Father.

(54:57):
So I just want to I want to pray. I
want to wrap up in prayer. So yeah, I'm gonna
start right now. In the name of Jesus, we pray, Father,
We thank you for everyone listening. Lord. We pray that
they have a fire ignited in them tonight. Did they
come to this realization that they do not have to

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tolerate the things of the devil. They don't have to
tolerate this sickness. They don't have to tolerate poverty. Lord,
they don't even have to tolerate strife. They have the
authority to get rid of strife in their life through
even That's how you overcome the strife with love. But
all those listening, those one struggling with sickness, that believe

(55:40):
the Word, that know by his stripes your heal, we
pray that a new fire, that you draw that line
in the sand. Like James four seven says, you resist
the devil. You tell him, no more, devil, You're not
robbing me anymore. He's been robbing God's children like a bully,
robs other kids in schools from taking their lunch money.

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You said no more. You put your foot down in
the sand, and you actively fight against him, because he's darkness.
Darkness cannot they can't exist in the presence of light.
We are God's light. Father. We thank you for giving
us your light, giving us the opportunity and the power

(56:23):
to share that light and to drive out darkness. We
pray for all those struggling with poverty. Lord, poverty is
not of you, it's not of God. It's not of you. Lord,
get that instilled inside people's hearts and souls that they
realize poverty is of the devil. That's another thing we
can fight them against. And lastly, Lord, we just we

(56:48):
just pray for all those listening that are still questioning.
They are still like struggling with themselves seeing themselves. Is
that old sinner Still they're not identifying with what you
did for him. We lift them up in prayer, Lord,
that you make known to them the truth that they

(57:08):
are righteous while you're blood, that what you did was
more than enough. We pray this and give you all
the thanksgiving, the praise and the glory and Jesus name.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Thank you, Jeff. We appreciate
you joining us tonight. There is a prayer lie down
there that I've got it up on the screen right
now eight oh six three four zero zero one six two.
We have people that speak English and Spanish both it

(57:41):
can kind of pray with you and get reach you know,
help you out, So call that number. Jeff. We just
so appreciate your your joining us tonight, and we just
thank you for being blessing us with your with your
presence and such powerful words that you had there that
that's good. I hope people will find your book and

(58:02):
uh and and find out I bet that you don't
forget your title at least.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Well, it hasn't officially launched yet. It'll be January fifteenth
and on Amazon, and uh, it'll be on Amazon, and
it'll be on my Facebook pages. You know, find me
on Facebook, Jeff Swinson. And also be we'll have you
having a website. You can order right off the website.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Also, so you have a you have a website.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
We will what's being made yet so, but it'll be
that'll all be pronounced like I'll be on my Facebook page.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
We'll have you back on sometimes so you can kind
of get information out more. But in the meantime they
can they can find you on Facebook, right.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Right, yep, Okay, appreciate it, Fred, thanks for having me on.
It's been a blessing. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Hey, listen, we'll just remind all you guys out there
join us every Thursday. Every Tuesday, Thursday. There we go Tuesday,
it's not Tuesday Thursday. I've been thinking about doing a Tuesday,
but I haven't gotten there around to that yet. So
every Thursday at seven o'clock pm Central time join us

(59:16):
and when just be blessed, we can share the little
thing and ring the little bills and do all that
kind of stuff, and we really appreciate it. But until
we meet again, we love you, and we thank you,
and we'll see you later.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
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