August 28, 2025 • 56 mins
In this episode of The Front Porch Chronicles, host Clinton Foshee sits down with FleaRoy Brown — jiu jitsu athlete, PGF competitor, and part-owner of Alabama Twisters. FleaRoy opens up about life on the mats, building a gym in Alabama, and the struggles that shaped him. From his larger-than-life personality to his commitment to the kids he coaches, FleaRoy makes it clear: everything he does is for them. 🎙 What we cover:
– Jiu Jitsu, PGF, and the grind of competition
– Owning part of Alabama Twisters and building community
– Life struggles and chasing purpose beyond small-town New Hope, AL
– Coaching kids and why legacy matters more than titles 💡 FleaRoy Brown is more than just a fighter — he’s a man on a mission to inspire the next generation. 🔔 Listen now and subscribe for more raw conversations that go deeper than the surface.
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– Jiu Jitsu, PGF, and the grind of competition
– Owning part of Alabama Twisters and building community
– Life struggles and chasing purpose beyond small-town New Hope, AL
– Coaching kids and why legacy matters more than titles 💡 FleaRoy Brown is more than just a fighter — he’s a man on a mission to inspire the next generation. 🔔 Listen now and subscribe for more raw conversations that go deeper than the surface.
#FleaRoyBrown #FrontPorchChronicles #PodcastEpisode #PodcastInterview #NewPodcast #PodcastSeries #PodcastCommunity #JiuJitsu #BrazilianJiuJitsu #BJJLife #BJJCommunity #Grappling #SubmissionGrappling #MartialArts #MMA #MMAFighter
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🎧 Front Porch Chronicles — real conversations on healing, growth, fatherhood, and fighting through it. ▶️ Full Episodes on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thefrontporchchronicles
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, y'all, welcome back to front Porch Chronicles and today, fellas,
look we got a fella Alabamian, a jiu jitsu rock
star high school wrestling. Yes, I said, wrastling My Alabama
Ruths are gonna come out today, part owner of pgf's
(00:23):
Alabama Twisters. Look, the hardest working and best dressed man
who in jiu jitsu, mister Flee Roy.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Brown, the Alabama afrodisiac himself.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Brother. How you doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yes, bruh, I been on Flee Roy for a while. Bro,
We've been like kind of trying to get this locked
in for a while. I ain't even gonna lie to you.
I was so stoked. I've been walking around the office today.
I'm like, I'm having my boy on here today and
I'm glad we were to.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You you schedule. What's the past forty eight hours been like?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
All right?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So from Vegas to Atlanta, got stuck in the airplane
because the jet bridge broke. So the city of Atlanta
had to come fix the jet bridge, which I mean,
I think we all know about Atlanta, so you know
how you know how quick that was?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
They finally get done holding old Flee Roy Brown hostage
on that plane. I walk out, my phone's dead, so
I got to walk out to the parking lot and.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Just look for the old Tacoma. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The wife came and picked me up in Atlanta, drove
the old Taco back to Birmingham just so that I
could make the open mat at ten right, went to
the open mat, went after that, taught some taught some wrestling,
and then I had to wake up the next day
at two point thirty in the morning so that I
(01:55):
can make it to the Cat five Duels tournament in
George and Perry, Georgia. Shout out to Bobby Botham. Oh,
Stephen Aiken owns a tenth planet Perry out there. But yeah,
I had to, you know, wake up a little bit
early so that I could drive out and coach that
rastling tournament and uh and then drove back home just
(02:17):
for this brother.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You know what I'm saying. For the people that don't know,
tell them who flee Roy Brown.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Is Well, I don't think there's a soul on this
planet that don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
There's at least there ain't no ladies that don't know.
You know what I'm saying. There might be some men
out there that don't know. But the ladies know because
they're in their dreams every night. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But Lee Roy Brown is the Alabama aphrodisiac, the cat
flice Kid, the Sultan of the South, the Baron Obama.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
All the things that you've heard about him, he is,
except the bad things, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Uh, But man, dude, I'm I'm just a kid from well,
I guess I'm not a kid anymore, and I'm almost thirty.
But I'm just a man from from New Hope, Alabama
that wanted to leave the small town and not get
trapped up in all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And and.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, so I came out here to Birmingham pursuing mma. Actually,
I had started wrestling when I was nine.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Me and my dad were very like the epitome of poverty.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I didn't have a central heating or air until I
until my wife moved me to Birmingham. So came up
my whole life wrestling. Wrestling was the only consistent thing
that I ever had. And then dropped out of high
school because I didn't have good enough grades, you know,
because I had a really inconsistent living. You know, homework
(03:50):
was not a thing for your boy. How you gonna
do homework? You ain't got no home, you know what
I'm saying. So the grades slipped. I actually failed three
years in a row. But I was so halfway decent
at wrestling that they just let it go.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And then finally they.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Were like, look, dude, you can't wrestle anymore. I was like, well,
that's the only reason I come here, dude, so duced
out of high school, didn't have wrestling anymore, ballooned up
to like three hundred and twenty pounds.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I was a drug addict and an alcoholic and a
real estate agent, and you know, and I just got
sick of it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And uh, I actually got into a fight with this
guy and I beat the shit out of him, but
he got up and walked away, and my big, fat,
three hundred and twenty pound ass was crawling on my
hands and knees, puking right. So I was like, man, dude,
this shit can't ever happen again. Yeah, how you gonna
win a fight? And it's still bruised your ego, you
(04:50):
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So it's.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Hard on here, exactly, dog, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I felt like I broke my pimp pant supposed to
stay strong, dude, how you're gonna have a broke pimpian,
you know. So I called up the closest gym to
me because at the time I knew about wrestling and
I'd watched you know, the UFC and stuff like that,
but I didn't really know the ins and outs of MMA.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So I just called the closest gym to.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
The house that I was living in and pretty much
gave him the spiel. I was like, look, dude, I
don't have a dime to give you, but but I've
got all the time in the world, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And so it was.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It ended up being a Tiger Rock Martial Arts run
by Luke Blackburn in Huntsville, Alabama and Bailey Cove, and
it was five minutes away from my house so I
could walk, right, and so this guy let me come
clean up the gym and before and after class so
that I could take class for free. And I ended
(05:52):
up getting my black belt from him in taekwondo, right
just so we're clear taekwondo, and then he asked me
to start teaching for him. So I started teaching, and
that's when I got away from real estate because I
was doing real estate and I was just absolutely miserable,
and I was fat, and I had bad habits, and
you know, I felt like, you know, even though I
was a halfway decent sales person, I felt like I
(06:14):
wasn't completely honest all the time, and you know, it
really started eating away at me.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
But as soon as as soon as I.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Got to give back to the kids, I was like, oh, oh, okay,
this is what I'm supposed to do, right, So I
quit doing real estate and took a huge pay cut
to work for seven to ninety five an hour to
teach four classes a day at Tiger Rock.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And I loved it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I had never been so happy in my adult life.
And so I had a buddy of mine, you know,
we were watching the UFC and this is after I
was a black belt, right, and we were just talking
about this, that and the other, and he was like,
why don't.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
You do that?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I was like, oh, dude, I couldn't do that, you know,
I'm you know, da da da da da. And he
was like, no, man, you totally could. And so I
actually moved out to Birmingham, me and my wife on
a whim, hoping that I could be a making to
the UFC and be a successful MMA fighter. And then
(07:23):
I made it to the pro comp team at the
first gym that I started at, a gym that shall
not be named, right.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And uh should not be made exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
And listen, they know who they are and I ain't
got I don't harbor no hate in my heart for him,
right if they if they hadn't done what they did,
I wouldn't be where I am, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
If it wasn't for the struggle, I wouldn't be flee
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So I am completely thankful for you know, everything that
has happened. But having said all that, you know, I
spent maybe a year on the comp team and I
was like, you know what, dog, this hole getting punched
in the face.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Shit ain't for me. Dog.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I am way too pretty to be getting beat the
fuck up all the time. But I was halfway deep
in at jiu jitsu, right and I and I loved it.
So instead of doing Mma, I just committed to doing
jiu jitsu fucking twice a day every day except Sundays.
You already know, except Sundays, right, Yes, bibble Ball so,
(08:31):
uh so, I mean and then you know, I went
to the gym that shan't be named for a minute,
and I kind of started stagnating in my progress, right.
And I'd been wrestling since I was nine, so I'm
not unfamiliar with grappling. I'm just unfamiliar with jiu jitsu, right,
And so I kind of felt myself starting to stagnate,
and I got to talk into, uh, a buddy of
(08:54):
mine named Jonathan Roberts, the elbow Genie, right, one of
the one the PGFS ogs literally has a point system
named after him, right, And he kind of took me
under his wing and really took care of me. And I,
you know, so I told him, I was like, man,
I feel like I'm stagnating, you know what, what what
do I do? And he was like, look, you need
(09:16):
to you need to cross train. And so he took
me around to a couple of gyms in town. Literally
took me to, you know, held my hand, took me around,
introduced me to different gym owners and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And I'm not going to name any of.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The other gyms either, but like, because Jonathan Roberts went
and showed me around, like I've never had to pay
a Matt fee in my life, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Saying, just because I'm like, hey man, Jonathan Roberts sent.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Me, you know, and I guess, you know, because he's
the the elbow jean boy. He just carries that weight.
He's got that weight to throw around, exactly. So one
of the gyms that I started training at was Cobra
over here in Chelsea, and at the time they were
a brand new Cole Dobbins and his wife Anna Dobbins
had just opened it. And I was at one of
(10:02):
their lunch classes and I was I was a white
like a you know whatever stripe white belt at the time,
and I was going with this older gentleman who I
believe was a purple belt and he hits me with
the with the old Hey man, I'm an old man,
so you know, let's just flow roll, let's just get
a little sweat going. And at the time, I didn't
(10:23):
know what that meant, right at the time prostate exam, Yeah, exactly,
you damn right, exactly right. So you know, I was
being gentle with him, and he torched the shit out
of me, right, And so I was like, oh, okay,
not happening again, right, So, and and back in my
wrestling days, I did what we used to call the
dirty thirty, which they've they've messed with the points system
(10:46):
in wrestling, so the dirty thirty doesn't exist anymore. But
what the dirty thirty was is that you would take
him down and you would do what's called yep. So
you would take him down, put your hands on him,
push him, cut him, let them get up, them get away,
let them get there one point. Then you take them
down again, right, and so eventually you have thirty points,
they have fifteen.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You win by tech fall.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And so that's what I started doing to this this
this older purple belt gentleman, right man, I must have
I must have tecked him five or six times in
a seven minute round, right like, and I was just picking.
I wouldn't be a nice about it either, right because
again white belt didn't understand the etiquette.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know what I'm saying, you gont.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Today exactly right. All I knew was that this guy
lied to me.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And I was like, oh, okay, well that's not about
the we we about to pay the price for that,
right And and Anna Dobbins, the co owner of Cobra.
Chelsea walked up to me afterwards, and she go after
she watched that round, and she goes, you ever thought
about teaching wrestling? And I was like, man, I used
to teach Taekwonda. You know, I would love love to
(11:54):
teach wrestling, you know. So I started teaching wrestling up
at Cobra H and left the other gym. We all
know how that goes. And then shortly after I got
started at Cobra, I got a phone call, like a
literal random phone call from Chelsea Middle School and asking
me if I was interested in coaching the middle school
(12:15):
wrestling team. And you know, Fleer Roy Brown has done
some things in his life, you know what I'm saying
right now, exactly right. So at first I didn't really
feel like I was worthy, you know, And so I
prayed about it and this that and the other, and
I talked to my wife about it, and I think
(12:36):
I had decided that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
It wasn't it's not a whether you're worthy or not thing.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's like it's a shepherding thing, like God was calling
me to kind of shepherd the youth like I used to.
Right because right now I was teaching adults at Cobra
and don't get me wrong, I love that right, but
maybe that's not what my real purpose is. And God
was giving me another chance to find out what my
real purpose is. So I accepted the job at Chelsea
(13:02):
and we went undefeated in duels for two years in
a row, and then we had a couple what is
the equivalent of a middle school.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
State champion, you know, we had two.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And then I got a call from the high school
coach asking me, hey man, you mind coming up here
and you know, just helping out for a couple of
weeks at the high school. I was like, yeah, dude, Sure,
I came up there helped out for a couple of weeks,
and then he was like, hey man, you mind coming
and helping coach some of the tournaments.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I was like, yeah, dude, I would love to.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I kind of turned into the guy that was
just in the chair the whole time, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So then you know, I went out and coached sectionals
with them, right, and we ended up having a couple
people qualify for state, and then he asked me to
go coach at state and I gave Chelsea there.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I didn't give it right.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
The Lord gave Chelsea their second ever state champion.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Right, So we.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Had a two hundred and fifteen pounds six a state champion,
and a I believe one hundred and sixty pound I
don't know the female weight classes. I'm sorry, female get
third place, right. And prior to that, they Chelsea had
only ever had one state champion ever in their history.
And now since I've been working up there, not to
(14:22):
my own horn or anything, but throughout the couple of
years that I've been working out there, throughout the every
program that they.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Have, we've got five state champions.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So you know we are we are changing, or at
least trying to change the dynamics and the culture and
wrestling over here in Chelsea.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So the facts are the facts, brother, are the facts exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
That's as sure as I make a story. You free, exactly, brother.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You just hey, trust in the Lord and he shall
provide does and he always has always.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You have a.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Fire lit inside you. What do you think that is?
What do you think is.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
To drive.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
My driving force? Dude? It's the youth, man, it is.
It's the kids. I was thinking about this the other day.
A lot of coaches tell their.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Kids that they are proud of them, you know, and
that's cool, and that's what you're supposed to do as
a coach. But I think what a lot of coaches
forget is that you have to give your kids a
reason to be proud of you too.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It makes it a whole lot easier to demand respect
in the room when you don't have to demand it,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know it's part
of the reason. You know, it seems arrogant, and I
tell jokes and stuff when I do it. But the
reason I post my workouts and how often I work out,
and what my schedule looks like, and this, that and
the other, it's not like it's not like so that
(16:01):
you can see it. It's so that my kids can
see it, you know what I'm saying. And you know
now that I'm now, now that I'm reaching a relative
level of success, you know, it's like you got to prove,
you got to you got to show them what success
looks like.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You can't just talk to them about it, right.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Because no offense to a lot of these high school
you know, and in middle school wrestling coaches, But you're
a teacher, dog, you know what I'm saying, and and
that's cool, and we need you and we need you, brother,
but you especially need to be out there doing all
the extra stuff, right. So, you know, part of the
fire is is my kids, man, And and a lot
(16:39):
of the reason that I'm so excited about getting involved
in the PGF is is my kids. Because for for
a long time in wrestling, there was no light at
the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Literally only did it for the love of the game, right, like.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, or you go get beat up, right, you know, yeah,
exactly right. And you know, so like for me growing up,
it was like, man, you better make it to college wrestling.
And if you don't make it to college wrestling, then
your dreams are over. And then once you get to college, man,
you better make it to the Olympic team, because if
you don't make it to the Olympic team, your dreams
are over.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And you know, so part of my fire with you know,
being involved with the Twisters and the PGF is that,
you know, if we can make this thing as successful
as I think it's gonna be, and is you know,
it's already kind of proven to be that light at
the end of the tunnel, Is there right, it's already there.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
We had a kid on our team named Matt Mash
this year. I think he's twenty years old, and he
wrestled in high school and didn't make it to college,
and now look at him. He's a professional grappler in
the PGF. Right, So you know that that's part of it.
And I think the other part, well, I know the
other part is that it's the Lord man, it's God.
(17:55):
I hate preaching to people, right because I'm not always
is correct, you know, and a lot of times none.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Of us exactly right.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So I think what's a lot more effective than preaching
to people is living living the way that God asks
you to live right. And and so that's a that's
that's you know. One of the ways that I can
keep myself disciplined is by always having something to do right,
always people always having to rely on me, right, because
(18:26):
I have found that if I.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
If I rely on myself, I lose, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But you know, if if my wife and my kids,
and Clint and Cole and the PGF and Matt Elkins
and this and that and the other, if they all
rely on Flee Roy Brown, Flee Roy Brown's not not
gonna let them down. You know what I'm saying, I'll
let myself down. I don't mind letting myself down.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
If ain't nobody there to watch the show, then who
gives a shit about the show?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
People ask me, oh, why don't you do bracketed tournaments?
Because nobody gives a shit about bracketed tournaments. Nobody's there
to watch Flee Roy Brown compete.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I like doing super fights because I get to put
on a show. I get to go strup my stuff, right, So,
you know, I try to live that same way like
in Christ.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
You know what I'm saying. I want to be a light.
I want to be a beacon for other people.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And we're so you're very very much cut from the
same cloth.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I lived my life the same way. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I talked to somebody earlier today and we were talking
about that I.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Went through so much pain, so much chaos, and people
are like, why are you you.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Get up every day when everything, every statistic says.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I should be a piece of shit in prison, like.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Dad, all of these things, amen, And it's two things.
My kids because I want to give them all of
the things that I didn't have as a kid. And
I do this podcast and I do all of this
stuff to be a light in a voice for.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
The ones that feel like that they don't.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And so what you're doing, what you're saying, all of
this thing, you already had an immense amount of respect
from me.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
But if quadrup, what if that's even possible?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Man, I appreciate that, And let me say, let me
share this with you too, right, because you know you've
you've you've lived a relatively rough life too, you know,
if and for everybody out there listening, you know, make
make your struggle have purpose, right, don't just suffer for nothing,
you know what I'm saying. If you suffer and suffer
and suffer, and that's what the vast majority of my
(20:36):
life has been, don't get it twisted, right, flee Roy
Brown is built to bear down, dog, I'm built to
carry burdens, right, So I don't mind the suffering. Suffering
brings you closer to Christ if you allow it. But
another thing that suffering does for you is that it
gives you experience in suffering so that you can help
(20:56):
others through theirs. Right, and so like you kind of said, man,
that's why I don't mind getting up every day and
doing what I do.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Right, I went, I went through a very intense staff
infection where I actually got I don't know if y'all
can see the scarring on my chest there, but it's
all over my chest, all over my shoulders and back.
I looked like a burn victim. And it was after
I had found the Lord. It was very shortly after
I'd found the Lord, and I was like literally bedridden
(21:25):
for like a year. Still didn't miss a single wrestling practice,
taught all my kids, Still didn't miss a single jiu
jitsu practice.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Was there taking notes, so there's no excuses.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
But yeah, my wife literally had to do everything for me,
from putting my clothes on me, to helping me in
and out of the bath, to washing and conditioning and
curling my or you know, putting my detangler in and
you know this, that and the other, and you know,
the whole time I was asking myself, man, why dude,
why as soon as I as soon as I really
give my life to you, why would you do this
(21:54):
to me?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And and you know, I feel very blessed because a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Ask those questions and they either don't get the answer
right or or they don't receive the answer. They probably
get it, but they don't receive it, or they don't
get it until a long time afterwards.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But literally the week I got cleared of my staff infection,
I got a call from one of my wrestler's dads
and he was like, hey, man, I just got out
of the hospital. Such and such has cancer. And it
was a kid that I'd worked with, and I was,
you know, very I'm passionate about all my kids, but
as you know, everybody knows you, you know, you grow
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a little bit more, you know, closely to some of them,
and I'd grown very close to this kid.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And it became very apparent.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
As to why I had to suffer for the past year, right,
Because had I not suffered through almost dying, right and
being bedridden and this, that and the the other, then
what good would I be as a coach or a
mentor to this kid who is.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Going through that? Right?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So I think, you know, you got to give your
struggle purpose, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And when one tho.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
You give your struggle purpose by doing like what you do, right,
and by doing what I do and being willing to
help everybody else that's struggling.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Right, So that's the biggest thing. Man's powerful. People call
you charismatic. You got a whole vibe and energy about you.
Was it?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Were you always that way or did you grow into.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
That?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Man, I've kind of always been this way, dude. I
think it's genetics.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
My mom was a prostitute, which you can't be a
non charismatic prostitute, you know what I'm saying, right, They
don't make very much money, you know what I'm saying exactly.
And then my dad, My dad is an artist, but man,
he's the thing that he's most like, the art that
he's the most talented that is the art of talking
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to people.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Right. So, and he he's, you know, to this day,
my best friend.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So I grew up spending and we were homeless and
stuff together. Right, So I grew up spending a tremendous
amount of time with my dad and just you know,
cutting up with him or watching him cut up with people.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Like there were times where we would go to.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
The mall and he would literally pull the the the
Adam Sandler big Daddy you know where he would send
me up to a table to go tell, you know,
and he would come up and he would get their
phone numbers successfully every time. I never never such seen
a woman turned my dad down, and no offense, Dad.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
My dad's not half as good looking as I am.
And tons of times right, and you.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Know did we were We were writing an escalator at
the mall one time and he starts laying the smack
down real thick on the lady in front of us.
By the time we got to the second floor, he
already had her phone number, you.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Know, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So I think I was just kind of born with it.
And then, you know, struggle gives your character.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Man, You know there's you know, even if you end
up on the wrong side of struggle, you probably still
a character, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
So uh, people say the same things. People say the
same thing about me.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm like, when you when you've been through what I've
been through, you don't have any other way to look
at life when you could look at life from a
negative standpoint, But I look at it as a as
a way to laugh.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Because yeah, my life been so shitty I can't stand
any more.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Negativity, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, dog, No,
we're just gonna laugh about this one. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
We're gonna take one for the team. We're gonna take.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
We're gonna take it on the tin brother.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So you know, losses teach more than wins. I know
you're a coach. What's the huff is L that you've
ever taken?
Speaker 3 (26:02):
That shaped you?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Man?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I don't really take l's due, To be honest with you,
I mean, I guess I would say being homeless. But again,
like I said, dude, if it wasn't for the struggle,
I wouldn't be fleet.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So I've gotten my ass whoopd a bunch of times.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I've gotten you know, I've been in some pretty rough
situations here and there, but I don't consider any any
any of them else because it all added up.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
It's shaped, Its shaped who you are. People ask me
that all the time, and I'm like, bro, I don't
really think I took an al because everything that I've
been through shaped who I am and allows me to
be a voice for God to other people, and that
helped them to the light. So it's kind of like
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you know, a friend of mine's what said. I told him.
I said, I feel like at times.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I'm a martyr for God, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, dude, at all times, at all times, brother, here's
my thing, and no such thing as an l.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
It's only God's will being done, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And I have to explain that to I mean, I
don't even really have to, you know, explain that to.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
My wrestlers, but because we win so often, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
When they do lose, right, if they're a Christian, right,
that's that's what we talk about. It's like, hey, dude,
you know when we prayed before the match, did we
pray to win? No, we prayed that God's will was
done right, and God's will was done. You've got nothing
to be There's no l here, brother, You've got nothing
to be upset for. And like you said, a loss,
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in my opinion, a high quality loss is better than
any win, you know, because exactly character experience. We can
take notes on those, right, you know. So Yeah, man,
I don't look, I don't. I mean, Travis Thomas beat
the shit out of me for like five minutes one
time in MMA, I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Beat my ass.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
We'll get to that later, I mean, whoop my ass
like I owed him money, dog, And I was still fat,
and I you know, I was smoking cigarettes. I still
smoked cigarettes, but I was fat.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It was about halfway through the we had an hour
and a half of sparring. It was about halfway through
that I sucked. So they had me over sparring with
you know, the the one hundred and twenty pound men
and the women. Right, Travis Thomas was like the number
one ranked welterweight in the Southeast at the time.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, and he.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Goes flee Roy Brown, me and you and He's standing
over there in the heavyweight corner and I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Like, fuck me, dog, what you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
And so I mean, he woped my ass one time, dude,
But again that I wouldn't be me if it wasn't
for the struggle, dog. So I don't I don't mind
taking an ass whooping. I don't mind taking you know.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And I've been taking ass whoopings my whole life, and
I'm okay with them now I did.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
It's a whole look at me. I dish a whole
lot of them, a whole lot of them. And I
tell people I hear.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's funny because people hear this Southern accent and they
get fool I say, look, I'm the most friendly, Southern
nice guy you'll ever meet. But zero to Chris Brown
as quick as I need to go. And I'm from Montgumery.
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I tell people all the time, like they'll hear me
and they're like, oh, where are you? What part of Alabama?
I'm like, I'm from Montgomery. I always preface. Now, this
is my disclaimer. I always give them this. I wouldn't
suggest you ever go and I heard heard Alabama is
really you'll get murdered. That's why I tell you you'll
get in the city of Montgomery. You are likely to
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get robbed and shot at.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And that's and that's why I let them know.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Dude, listen, Fleerroy Brown doesn't pray for war, but if
that that's what it comes down to, that's what Lee
Roy Brown is built for.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
You know what I'm saying exactly to.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
You?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Know, if you with the in regards to your coaching,
if you had sixty seconds to tell an happily what
to do to separate themselves from the pack, what would
you say?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Attitude?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I mean, listen, you hear that people preach about it, this, that,
and the other.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It's man, your.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Attitude will will get you a lot of places, and
it will keep you out of a lot of places.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And I'm and I'm speaking from experience.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Right throughout my twenty years of being in the wrestling game,
I have seen good attitudes get bad wrestlers into good places,
and I've seen bad attitudes get good wrestlers into bad places.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Right, Like, look at Ferrari. You know Aj Ferrari he was.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I mean, I'm not going to name all the names
of the D one schools that he was wrestling at,
but now he wrestles at like a D three school
just because he couldn't get out of his own way
because his bad attitude. Right, So, man, you gotta you gotta,
you gotta keep your composure, win, lose or.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Draw.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
You know, you gotta you gotta act like you've been
there before. You know what I'm saying, Like this ain't
nothing new to you, brother. You got to play the game, dude,
play the game and be willing to learn.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
And you got to know that you know one.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Like we said earlier, there's no such thing as losses, right,
It's just the big man's will being done. And and
a lot of the times you need that loss, right,
even if you're you're so used to winning, you've put
so much.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Into it, this, that and the other.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You know, that's probably when you need to lose the most,
you know, be most. So adjust your attitude to being
okay with losing. I'm not saying stop being competitive. I'm
not saying lose the fire or lose the zeal, right,
but be willing to lose, man, It's gonna make you
a lot better. It's gonna make you a lot better.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I had a kid who had wrestled.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Since he was like four, right in the same program,
and I got him in seventh grade, and he was
a good wrestler, Like he was good, and he was
probably the best wrestler at his weight class.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You know, for the kids that he that he'd wrestled.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And he had a good season, but he didn't have
the season that he could have because as soon as
something didn't go right, he would lose it. He would
absolutely lose it, and he would lose the match because
he lost it up here, right, and then once he
lost the match, he lost his.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Composure would freak out. You know this that and the other,
and he would spiral right.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And so I kind of made working on his wrestling
and I worked on his attitude for a year straight.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And so he went from consistently coming in third or second,
you know, to being a middle school state champion. And man,
the only thing I adjusted was his attitude. I didn't
teach him anything new. I didn't give him any new
way of any special this that or the other. There
was no special fairy dust that we flicked on him
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or nothing.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And it was his.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Attitude that changed, right, and it changed his whole game.
And you know, like I said, man, it's in number
one thing that like collegiate recruiters look at is attitude.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
They'll look at your record.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
You know, they don't get me wrong, they'll take a
peek at your record, but if they don't like your attitude,
they do not care what your record looks like. And
if they love your attitude, they do not care what
your record looks like. I had to give that speech
to a wrestler who they had gotten second in the
state the year before, they got third in the state
the year after, right, and they were like, well, how
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do I explain that to college recruiters. I was like, dog,
you go back and you win the state the year
after this, Right, They're not going to care that you
went back.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
It's about how you come up afterwards.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
You know, That's all they care about.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Exactly right, So young athletes, change your attitudes because I
see it.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
A whole lot more these days.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Dude, y'all got terrible, terrible attitudes, terrible terrible etiquette, and
your talent is the only thing that's taking you anywhere.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
And that goes away, brother, And that.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Parents co signing is the parents love it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
And I'm like, bro, my kids like I can't score
go at like you've been there. I'm not saying, don't
be stoked. I'm not saying after the came down. So,
but all that extra stuff and that attitude and oh.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'm listen, I've I've disqualified kid, my own kids from
tournaments for that. You know, you get up, you you
throw a fit, you cry, you this, that or the other.
You're not wrestling again, not for me, not today, you
know what I'm I mean.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So PGF Brandon mcnangel my brother by another mother.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I love that dude. By the way, I'm a big
time fan of him. You know with the Alabama Twisters,
what is you know, your part on it? What is
the vision for the Alabama Twisters?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Uh, dude, I mean the vision is to put the
rest of the world on on watch dude. You know,
because Alabama's had some of the best grapplers in the
world for a long time, you know, Tex Johnson, Matt Elkins,
Jonathan Roberts, Travis Thomas, Flee.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Roy Brown.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
You know what I'm saying, some of the goats when
you're talking about grappling.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
So you know, we we've been ready for it, right, and.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
This is this was just kind of our our chance
to get to get in there and to get.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
To show show the world what we're about.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So you know, that's that's one thing is kind of
you know, showing the world that we've been ready to
growing the community in Alabama, right. And then you know three,
like I kind of mentioned earlier, giving a light at
the end of the tunnel for these kids where man, it's.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
All they got, you know, So I mean, and that
was It's real easy to sum up. It's real simple.
You know, there is no there is no extra this,
that or the other.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You know, we're doing it for the love of the
game one, two because we've been ready, and.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Then three for the kids, man, for the youth.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I agree that the state of Alabama people sleep, but
the state of Alabama has some of the And this
ain't because I'm from the grace that at Alabama we
have some of the most legendary greatest athletes not just
time of all time.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
We produce, brother, we produce, you know what I'm saying,
And we are heavily slept on.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, so I'm glad you guys. You guys are actually
put on, putting on for the state. Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And I couldn't have asked for a better better group
of guys.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Oh dude, me neither, or a better looking group of guys. Right.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
But but you know, to your point that you said earlier,
it's kind of hard to get people, you know, of
Alabama behind grappling. You know it is when you're just
selling the idea of grappling, but when you're selling Alabama
pride with it too, because this is the Alabama Twisters.
This isn't just grappling, right, you know what I'm saying.
This is for the people of Alabama, not just for
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the grapplers, right, Because you know you're from Alabama, so
you know this. But yeah, I mean listen for the
people that aren't from Alabama. Just based on the amount
of times that me and Clinton have said Alabama, you
can tell there's just some weird type of pride that
you're born with when you're born in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I don't know what it is. I can't explain it.
It's some sort of zeal, it's some sort of fire
that that you're just born with when you're born here.
So like you could get Alabamians behind anything as long
as you toss.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
On Alabama brand.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Definitely, I'm definitely trying to get me.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I'm trying to get me one of them Alabama Twisters
shirts whatever, so I can represent out here.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Listen, follow us, Follow the Alabama Twisters on Instagram, click
the link merchant.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Our bio and buy away.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
We've got shirts and rash guards for sale. I'm trying
to get all of the above.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Everybody, you heard the man go on there, follow the
Alabama Twisters. I know you got a tight schedule.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Let's rap out aney of time.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You're good when your kids or athletes.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Talk about you years from now. What is it that
you hope they sign.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, this is the one that I was talking about earlier. Man,
I just.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's not really about what they say. You know, I'm
sure they're gonna have a lot to say. I know
I've got a lot to say about my coaches. I'm
sure I've given them a lot to say. But I
just I just hope they know that I care.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
That's that's the biggest deal for me, right is kind
of kind kind of being being the man for these
kids that that I needed when I was their age,
And I just I just hope that they grow up
and they know that they had that, you know what
I'm saying. That's the biggest deal for me. That's why
I do everything that I do now. That's why I
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wake up every day and and go lift weights and
get my training in and go talk to my kids
and do all.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
This PGF stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Is just so that these kids have a positive, you know,
male role model to look up to, you know, and
not just that, but but somebody who's you know, got
some life experience that they can legitimately reach out and
and talk to.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So, you know, I just hope when when my kids
are adults, I hope that they that They just know
that I was there.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I can see it through through through social media, not
even I ain't even gotta lay eyes on it, but
I know that they know because you exude exude and
this is hard because you grow up like me, it's
hard to take compliments.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
We say that we're okay with it, but not.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
But you exude this positive energy and this positive vibe
about you, and I know it's God's plan, but it's
also you, and I want you to give yourself credit.
Why by that, I mean God gives us things right
and a lot of people try.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
To hold open doors that were meant to be closed.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And God can put his foot on your throat and
you can still turn the other cheek and run from him,
but you continue to fight the good fight.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
You get up and you do.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You know, we all have made mistakes, but you get
up and you do and be better each day. So
for me, aut respect, I just want you to know though,
that it comes out in you.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
And I'm appreciative.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Man, man, I appreciate that, and you know it makes
me think.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
We had the.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
We had a freestyle in Greco's state tournament and my dad, who,
like I said, he's my biggest fan. Dude, he hasn't
missed the wrestling tournament my entire life, right, and he
rarely misses ones that I'm coaching, you know. So he
comes out and he watches this, you know, this state
tournament and it was on Father's Day and this kid,
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kid of mine, he won and he immediately walked up
to my dad and gave my dad the gold his
state championship gold medal.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Right, And so man, dude, it I'm just thankful, dude.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
I just.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I wouldn't have things any other way, you know what
I'm saying. If I could go back and do it again,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't wouldn't have a single thing changed.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Again, who are powerful in ways that you don't see,
but you're You're a light to a lot of people
there had I can't tell you how many days I
opened up my phone and I'll see something that you
post or whatever that takes my day and completely shifts
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that around. So keep being that light that you are
and know that you're loved and appreciated.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
By a lot a lot of man. I appreciate that, dude.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Like you said, it's it's hard to believe, right, but
I do appreciate hearing it.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
What's your personal definition of toughness.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Man, I think we've defined it in this conversation. I
just just being willing to get up every day regardless
of the situation. You know, you can't just lay down
and die. You got a cowboy up, dude. I mean,
you know, you can't just you can't just lay there
and bleed. Half the time. I don't even really consider
myself very tough, you know. And I've I've pulled my
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own teeth and I've you know, cracked my own fingers
back into place, and you know this, that and the other,
and you know, but you know it's it's you know,
and then I kind of remember, man, that that's not
really like physical toughness is cool, but you know, a
chimp could do that, man. The real tough thing is
is getting up every day, knowing your purpose and serving
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your purpose, regardless of the circumstance right or regardless of
influence or regardless of you know, other people's opinions. You know,
because people look at me like I'm crazy, you know,
like people that know me in real life, that that
get to see the every day you know, because a
lot of people are like man, it's just a you know,
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character for Instagram, and it's like, not a dog, dude,
We're out here doing it.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
So a lot of the people that that see me
in my life every day are like, dude, you're crazy,
You're insane.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
I'm a shark.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Brother, Dude, I'll die if I stop moving, you know
what I'm saying. So, like I guess my my definition
of toughness. Like I said, dude, you just gotta wake up,
take take shit on the chin, eat a shit sandwich. Dude,
fucking do what you gotta do, and go to bed
at night knowing that you did your best.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Wake up the next morning, do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
You know, because it's gonna be different for everybody, right Like,
just because me and you have lived particularly rough lives
doesn't make us tougher than somebody who hasn't.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
You know, pain is sane and suffering are relative.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
That is the epitome of because a lot of people
would suffer a while, you know not. My grandmother rest
in peace, She told me one time, My cousins are crackheads.
One of them died a few years ago in pratty
or she was running from the well. She was in
a car they were running from the police. She ended
up hitting a eighteen wheeler head on disease. But all
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of them live in a victim mindset. And we grew
up in chaos, and we grew up in and some
of us worse than others. But my grandmother once told me,
and she grew up. She's from Clinton, Chilton County, Alabama,
and she grew up during the Great Depression. And she
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said they would literally they were so dirt poor they
would have to take the potato sacks.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
And make clothing out of them.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
And she had rheumatoy to arthritis to the point of
where her feet literally turned sideways and her hands were
I never want heard that woman complain, and so I
asked her. We got towards the end she had cancer. Man,
it was so bad that the cancer was growing out
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of her skin literally, And I asked her one time
what made her and she said, you know what, Life
is hard.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
And you got two choices.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
You can either lay there and die, or you can
get up, keep moving and going about your business.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I could sit here.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
And whine and cry and give you a sob story
and lay over here in the corner and act like
but at the end of the day, what is really
gonna do? Even bigger than that? Am I serving God's
purpose of myself? If I'm wasting my breath on crying
about things that happen, go be the light and the
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truth to those that need it.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Exactly, brother, exactly, brother. Are you gonna lay there and bleed?
Or are you gonna cowboy the fuck up? Dude? My
advice to everybody out there is the cowboy the fuck up,
regardless of your situation, dude, And listen, I've lived a
rough onean, so there's you know, there's not very many
excuses that up.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
You know, I peel my kids all the time when
you see these trials and tribulations. I'm here to help you.
But also you gotta, as you said, cowboy up. You
gotta buy a cowboy up. Take it on the brother.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Life Life's gonna thump you. Life is gonna thump you.
You gotta be one to.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Take hard harder than some of us, get it harder
than others.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
But hey, everybody getting it one way or another, one
way or.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Another, one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
What's the what's the biggest lesson.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
That the MAC has taught you about life?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Man? It might not be a lesson.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
It might just be the the structure, right, Uh, the
structure and.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
The stability that that it provides. Right.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
So, you know, I'm kind of a cave man, right, So,
so rarely do I leave and I'm like ugly learned
about my life in there, you know. I mean, don't
get me wrong, A lot of people do, and I
think that's beautiful. It's just not me, Like I'm just
a cave man, right. So, but what it did do
for me, you know, was was provide structure and stability
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when you know the rest of my life was chaos, right,
And so what that did for me was it it
taught me how to build structure and stability for myself,
you know.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
And I think.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That for me is the biggest thing, like I kind
of mentioned earlier, is the biggest thing that kind of
keeps me out of my own way, is giving myself
a structure and stability and a schedule that I have
to do. I have to do it, you know, I'll
have and I'll melt down if I don't get up
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at six so that I can be at the gym
at seven thirty so that I can start doing my
chest at seven thirty.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Five, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
So so that's that's been the biggest thing that I've
pulled off the mats is structure and stability, and with
those things come discipline.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Everybody likes to talk about discipline, but you don't get
disciplined without structure or stability.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
That's the thing that it did for me as well.
I grew up in chaos, so it gave structure and detail.
It's funny like now dating, it's one of those things,
the same thing.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Like, girls, what is it you're looking for? I just
want peace, structure, detail and peace that I ain't girl.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Look, you ain't even got to I can wash my
own clothes, I can coop my I can make my
own sandwiches.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Well, you shit, you a better man than me. Dog,
I don't even hit my own penails.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I didn't make this coffee. I didn't even download this dog.
My wife did all of that. I don't brush my
own hair, right, like, I am a man child.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
I go out the world exactly.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I will go out and I will single handedly conquer
the world.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
But when I'm at home, I am a mama's boy. Dude.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
You know what I'm saying, who would be your dream
role or match against somebody?
Speaker 3 (50:29):
All Right? You know what, dude.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Actually kind of brought it up earlier, Travis Thomas. I
want you at one hundred and thirty five pounds, brother,
me and you on the PGF on the freaking summit
at my gym, at your gym, I do not care.
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Meet me at one hundred and thirty five pounds and flee.
Roy Brown will be there. He done. He whooped my
ass so bad about four or five years ago that
I lost sleep over it.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Dog Right, I I listen, I said earlier.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I haven't taken an L, right, I don't necessarily count
it as an L.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
But I'm definitely gonna turn it into a duve if
you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying,
that one who I've had my ass whooped so many times,
they're all a blur except that one.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
That's the one that sticks.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
It's always it's always that one. So look, we definitely
got that.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
That's up to them, right, But I mean, PGF, You know, streets,
it don't make no difference to me.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Dog let me now when this is when this is
I need an mbox so you know, I gotta jump
on a plane.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Let me know, because I'm definitely there, dude.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
I will let you know asap. Dude.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
I don't think Travis Thomas is man enough to cut
down to one thirty five, dude, but I'll meet him
there if he does. Quite frankly, I think I think
he ain't gonna take it. Listen, I wouldn't take it neither, dude.
I'd hate to fight me at one hundred and third.
I'm the biggest one hundred and fifty five pounder in
the world, so at one thirty five, dude, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
It'd be absurd, it would be stupid.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Honestly, let's just if we're hashing it out and we're
being real, it would be stupid for Travis to meet
me at one thirty five.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Bad business deal on his end.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Bad will. We're gonna wait and see. Let me ask
you the age old question. You do you wrestled, you
do jiu jitsu? Which one wins in the street five?
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Okay. People are gonna hate this answer, so to.
Speaker 4 (52:48):
Be fair, people are gonna hate what No matter what you're.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Saying, people are gonna hate this answer, dude. But I'll
tell you this. If me and you are gonna fight
in the street, I'm gonna wrestle you first.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Right. I'm not gonna try to risklock you while we're standing.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I'm not gonna try to jump a triangle on you, right,
I'm gonna try to double leg you and dome you
off the double leg, and if that doesn't work, then
I'll do some jiu jitsu, you know. But I'm not
pulling guard and inverting into ashigarami, you know. No, I'm
gonna double leg the shit out of you. Hope that
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it knocks you the fuck out, and if it doesn't,
then I'll go with plan B, which is jiu jitsu
nine percent of the time. I call it baptism in
the concrete. If I can't do is going on, God forbid, dude, listen.
I only said double leg because if I high crouched
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somebody in the streets, jiu jitsu ain't even gonna come
into play, you know what I'm saying. That'll be the
end of that.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
That's look and that's a wrap jack.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
And cross done over with us.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
I know you got to go, man, this has been
straight fire. I definitely we need to do a follow
up so we can sit down. We're both gonna cry already,
feel it. Uh, you gave some stories, some wisdom.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Your charisma and the person that you are can't be duplicated.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
I said this a couple of times before, and I'm
gonna say it again. What you're doing and the voice
that you're putting out and the work that you're.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Doing, it's.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Beyond words of what you're doing for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
So keep being you and a lot that a lot
of people are going to hate.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
A lot of people are gonna say this and that.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Continue to shut the doubters out because you are.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
A voice to a lot of people that need and
want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
You want to drop your social media so that people
can go give you a follow.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Man, it should just be I mean, I'm I'm probably
the only flee Roy Brown on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Right working, best drink then only one handsome.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
If you need me to be your commentator, hardest working, best,
I can even hear the Rick flair on them if.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
You need me to.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, just lying you're wearing.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
You know, I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
I know you got to go get to coaching them
youngins h If you ever need me.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
You've got my number, call me, text me.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Anything that I can help you with, you know, the
school donations, anything that I can help you guys with.
I'm gonna go buy my jersey. I'll be supporting the
Alabama Twisters. I'm supposed to come home in the next
couple of months. I'll let you know ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, keep me up.
Speaker 4 (56:09):
I appreciate you. Brother. You have a great rest of
your day.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yes, sir, Man, you have a good one.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
Thank you, Bob. I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
Twisters up, baby, Let's go, Let's go.
All right, y'all, welcome back to front Porch Chronicles and today, fellas,
look we got a fella Alabamian, a jiu jitsu rock
star high school wrestling. Yes, I said, wrastling My Alabama
Ruths are gonna come out today, part owner of pgf's
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Alabama Twisters. Look, the hardest working and best dressed man
who in jiu jitsu, mister Flee Roy.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Brown, the Alabama afrodisiac himself.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Brother. How you doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yes, bruh, I been on Flee Roy for a while. Bro,
We've been like kind of trying to get this locked
in for a while. I ain't even gonna lie to you.
I was so stoked. I've been walking around the office today.
I'm like, I'm having my boy on here today and
I'm glad we were to.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
You you schedule. What's the past forty eight hours been like?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
All right?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So from Vegas to Atlanta, got stuck in the airplane
because the jet bridge broke. So the city of Atlanta
had to come fix the jet bridge, which I mean,
I think we all know about Atlanta, so you know
how you know how quick that was?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
They finally get done holding old Flee Roy Brown hostage
on that plane. I walk out, my phone's dead, so
I got to walk out to the parking lot and.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Just look for the old Tacoma. Right.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The wife came and picked me up in Atlanta, drove
the old Taco back to Birmingham just so that I
could make the open mat at ten right, went to
the open mat, went after that, taught some taught some wrestling,
and then I had to wake up the next day
at two point thirty in the morning so that I
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can make it to the Cat five Duels tournament in
George and Perry, Georgia. Shout out to Bobby Botham. Oh,
Stephen Aiken owns a tenth planet Perry out there. But yeah,
I had to, you know, wake up a little bit
early so that I could drive out and coach that
rastling tournament and uh and then drove back home just
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for this brother.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You know what I'm saying. For the people that don't know,
tell them who flee Roy Brown.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Is Well, I don't think there's a soul on this
planet that don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
There's at least there ain't no ladies that don't know.
You know what I'm saying. There might be some men
out there that don't know. But the ladies know because
they're in their dreams every night. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But Lee Roy Brown is the Alabama aphrodisiac, the cat
flice Kid, the Sultan of the South, the Baron Obama.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
All the things that you've heard about him, he is,
except the bad things, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Uh, But man, dude, I'm I'm just a kid from well,
I guess I'm not a kid anymore, and I'm almost thirty.
But I'm just a man from from New Hope, Alabama
that wanted to leave the small town and not get
trapped up in all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And and.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, so I came out here to Birmingham pursuing mma. Actually,
I had started wrestling when I was nine.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Me and my dad were very like the epitome of poverty.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I didn't have a central heating or air until I
until my wife moved me to Birmingham. So came up
my whole life wrestling. Wrestling was the only consistent thing
that I ever had. And then dropped out of high
school because I didn't have good enough grades, you know,
because I had a really inconsistent living. You know, homework
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was not a thing for your boy. How you gonna
do homework? You ain't got no home, you know what
I'm saying. So the grades slipped. I actually failed three
years in a row. But I was so halfway decent
at wrestling that they just let it go.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
And then finally they.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Were like, look, dude, you can't wrestle anymore. I was like, well,
that's the only reason I come here, dude, so duced
out of high school, didn't have wrestling anymore, ballooned up
to like three hundred and twenty pounds.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I was a drug addict and an alcoholic and a
real estate agent, and you know, and I just got
sick of it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And uh, I actually got into a fight with this
guy and I beat the shit out of him, but
he got up and walked away, and my big, fat,
three hundred and twenty pound ass was crawling on my
hands and knees, puking right. So I was like, man, dude,
this shit can't ever happen again. Yeah, how you gonna
win a fight? And it's still bruised your ego, you
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know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
So it's.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Hard on here, exactly, dog, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I felt like I broke my pimp pant supposed to
stay strong, dude, how you're gonna have a broke pimpian,
you know. So I called up the closest gym to
me because at the time I knew about wrestling and
I'd watched you know, the UFC and stuff like that,
but I didn't really know the ins and outs of MMA.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So I just called the closest gym to.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
The house that I was living in and pretty much
gave him the spiel. I was like, look, dude, I
don't have a dime to give you, but but I've
got all the time in the world, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And so it was.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It ended up being a Tiger Rock Martial Arts run
by Luke Blackburn in Huntsville, Alabama and Bailey Cove, and
it was five minutes away from my house so I
could walk, right, and so this guy let me come
clean up the gym and before and after class so
that I could take class for free. And I ended
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up getting my black belt from him in taekwondo, right
just so we're clear taekwondo, and then he asked me
to start teaching for him. So I started teaching, and
that's when I got away from real estate because I
was doing real estate and I was just absolutely miserable,
and I was fat, and I had bad habits, and
you know, I felt like, you know, even though I
was a halfway decent sales person, I felt like I
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wasn't completely honest all the time, and you know, it
really started eating away at me.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
But as soon as as soon as I.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Got to give back to the kids, I was like, oh, oh, okay,
this is what I'm supposed to do, right, So I
quit doing real estate and took a huge pay cut
to work for seven to ninety five an hour to
teach four classes a day at Tiger Rock.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And I loved it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I had never been so happy in my adult life.
And so I had a buddy of mine, you know,
we were watching the UFC and this is after I
was a black belt, right, and we were just talking
about this, that and the other, and he was like,
why don't.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
You do that?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
I was like, oh, dude, I couldn't do that, you know,
I'm you know, da da da da da. And he
was like, no, man, you totally could. And so I
actually moved out to Birmingham, me and my wife on
a whim, hoping that I could be a making to
the UFC and be a successful MMA fighter. And then
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I made it to the pro comp team at the
first gym that I started at, a gym that shall
not be named, right.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
And uh should not be made exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
And listen, they know who they are and I ain't
got I don't harbor no hate in my heart for him,
right if they if they hadn't done what they did,
I wouldn't be where I am, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
If it wasn't for the struggle, I wouldn't be flee
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So I am completely thankful for you know, everything that
has happened. But having said all that, you know, I
spent maybe a year on the comp team and I
was like, you know what, dog, this hole getting punched
in the face.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Shit ain't for me. Dog.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I am way too pretty to be getting beat the
fuck up all the time. But I was halfway deep
in at jiu jitsu, right and I and I loved it.
So instead of doing Mma, I just committed to doing
jiu jitsu fucking twice a day every day except Sundays.
You already know, except Sundays, right, Yes, bibble Ball so,
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uh so, I mean and then you know, I went
to the gym that shan't be named for a minute,
and I kind of started stagnating in my progress, right.
And I'd been wrestling since I was nine, so I'm
not unfamiliar with grappling. I'm just unfamiliar with jiu jitsu, right,
And so I kind of felt myself starting to stagnate,
and I got to talk into, uh, a buddy of
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mine named Jonathan Roberts, the elbow Genie, right, one of
the one the PGFS ogs literally has a point system
named after him, right, And he kind of took me
under his wing and really took care of me. And I,
you know, so I told him, I was like, man,
I feel like I'm stagnating, you know what, what what
do I do? And he was like, look, you need
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to you need to cross train. And so he took
me around to a couple of gyms in town. Literally
took me to, you know, held my hand, took me around,
introduced me to different gym owners and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
And I'm not going to name any of.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The other gyms either, but like, because Jonathan Roberts went
and showed me around, like I've never had to pay
a Matt fee in my life, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Saying, just because I'm like, hey man, Jonathan Roberts sent.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Me, you know, and I guess, you know, because he's
the the elbow jean boy. He just carries that weight.
He's got that weight to throw around, exactly. So one
of the gyms that I started training at was Cobra
over here in Chelsea, and at the time they were
a brand new Cole Dobbins and his wife Anna Dobbins
had just opened it. And I was at one of
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their lunch classes and I was I was a white
like a you know whatever stripe white belt at the time,
and I was going with this older gentleman who I
believe was a purple belt and he hits me with
the with the old Hey man, I'm an old man,
so you know, let's just flow roll, let's just get
a little sweat going. And at the time, I didn't
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know what that meant, right at the time prostate exam, Yeah, exactly,
you damn right, exactly right. So you know, I was
being gentle with him, and he torched the shit out
of me, right, And so I was like, oh, okay,
not happening again, right, So, and and back in my
wrestling days, I did what we used to call the
dirty thirty, which they've they've messed with the points system
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in wrestling, so the dirty thirty doesn't exist anymore. But
what the dirty thirty was is that you would take
him down and you would do what's called yep. So
you would take him down, put your hands on him,
push him, cut him, let them get up, them get away,
let them get there one point. Then you take them
down again, right, and so eventually you have thirty points,
they have fifteen.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You win by tech fall.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And so that's what I started doing to this this
this older purple belt gentleman, right man, I must have
I must have tecked him five or six times in
a seven minute round, right like, and I was just picking.
I wouldn't be a nice about it either, right because
again white belt didn't understand the etiquette.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You know what I'm saying, you gont.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Today exactly right. All I knew was that this guy
lied to me.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And I was like, oh, okay, well that's not about
the we we about to pay the price for that,
right And and Anna Dobbins, the co owner of Cobra.
Chelsea walked up to me afterwards, and she go after
she watched that round, and she goes, you ever thought
about teaching wrestling? And I was like, man, I used
to teach Taekwonda. You know, I would love love to
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teach wrestling, you know. So I started teaching wrestling up
at Cobra H and left the other gym. We all
know how that goes. And then shortly after I got
started at Cobra, I got a phone call, like a
literal random phone call from Chelsea Middle School and asking
me if I was interested in coaching the middle school
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wrestling team. And you know, Fleer Roy Brown has done
some things in his life, you know what I'm saying
right now, exactly right. So at first I didn't really
feel like I was worthy, you know, And so I
prayed about it and this that and the other, and
I talked to my wife about it, and I think
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I had decided that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
It wasn't it's not a whether you're worthy or not thing.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's like it's a shepherding thing, like God was calling
me to kind of shepherd the youth like I used to.
Right because right now I was teaching adults at Cobra
and don't get me wrong, I love that right, but
maybe that's not what my real purpose is. And God
was giving me another chance to find out what my
real purpose is. So I accepted the job at Chelsea
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and we went undefeated in duels for two years in
a row, and then we had a couple what is
the equivalent of a middle school.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
State champion, you know, we had two.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And then I got a call from the high school
coach asking me, hey man, you mind coming up here
and you know, just helping out for a couple of
weeks at the high school. I was like, yeah, dude, Sure,
I came up there helped out for a couple of weeks,
and then he was like, hey man, you mind coming
and helping coach some of the tournaments.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I was like, yeah, dude, I would love to.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I kind of turned into the guy that was
just in the chair the whole time, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So then you know, I went out and coached sectionals
with them, right, and we ended up having a couple
people qualify for state, and then he asked me to
go coach at state and I gave Chelsea there.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I didn't give it right.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
The Lord gave Chelsea their second ever state champion.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Right, So we.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Had a two hundred and fifteen pounds six a state champion,
and a I believe one hundred and sixty pound I
don't know the female weight classes. I'm sorry, female get
third place, right. And prior to that, they Chelsea had
only ever had one state champion ever in their history.
And now since I've been working up there, not to
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my own horn or anything, but throughout the couple of
years that I've been working out there, throughout the every
program that they.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Have, we've got five state champions.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So you know we are we are changing, or at
least trying to change the dynamics and the culture and
wrestling over here in Chelsea.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So the facts are the facts, brother, are the facts exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
That's as sure as I make a story. You free, exactly, brother.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You just hey, trust in the Lord and he shall
provide does and he always has always.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You have a.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Fire lit inside you. What do you think that is?
What do you think is.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
To drive.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
My driving force? Dude? It's the youth, man, it is.
It's the kids. I was thinking about this the other day.
A lot of coaches tell their.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Kids that they are proud of them, you know, and
that's cool, and that's what you're supposed to do as
a coach. But I think what a lot of coaches
forget is that you have to give your kids a
reason to be proud of you too.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It makes it a whole lot easier to demand respect
in the room when you don't have to demand it,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know it's part
of the reason. You know, it seems arrogant, and I
tell jokes and stuff when I do it. But the
reason I post my workouts and how often I work out,
and what my schedule looks like, and this, that and
the other, it's not like it's not like so that
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you can see it. It's so that my kids can
see it, you know what I'm saying. And you know
now that I'm now, now that I'm reaching a relative
level of success, you know, it's like you got to prove,
you got to you got to show them what success
looks like.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You can't just talk to them about it, right.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Because no offense to a lot of these high school
you know, and in middle school wrestling coaches, But you're
a teacher, dog, you know what I'm saying, and and
that's cool, and we need you and we need you, brother,
but you especially need to be out there doing all
the extra stuff, right. So, you know, part of the
fire is is my kids, man, And and a lot
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of the reason that I'm so excited about getting involved
in the PGF is is my kids. Because for for
a long time in wrestling, there was no light at
the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Literally only did it for the love of the game, right, like.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, or you go get beat up, right, you know, yeah,
exactly right. And you know, so like for me growing up,
it was like, man, you better make it to college wrestling.
And if you don't make it to college wrestling, then
your dreams are over. And then once you get to college, man,
you better make it to the Olympic team, because if
you don't make it to the Olympic team, your dreams
are over.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And you know, so part of my fire with you know,
being involved with the Twisters and the PGF is that,
you know, if we can make this thing as successful
as I think it's gonna be, and is you know,
it's already kind of proven to be that light at
the end of the tunnel, Is there right, it's already there.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
We had a kid on our team named Matt Mash
this year. I think he's twenty years old, and he
wrestled in high school and didn't make it to college,
and now look at him. He's a professional grappler in
the PGF. Right, So you know that that's part of it.
And I think the other part, well, I know the
other part is that it's the Lord man, it's God.
(17:55):
I hate preaching to people, right because I'm not always
is correct, you know, and a lot of times none.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Of us exactly right.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So I think what's a lot more effective than preaching
to people is living living the way that God asks
you to live right. And and so that's a that's
that's you know. One of the ways that I can
keep myself disciplined is by always having something to do right,
always people always having to rely on me, right, because
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I have found that if I.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
If I rely on myself, I lose, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
But you know, if if my wife and my kids,
and Clint and Cole and the PGF and Matt Elkins
and this and that and the other, if they all
rely on Flee Roy Brown, Flee Roy Brown's not not
gonna let them down. You know what I'm saying, I'll
let myself down. I don't mind letting myself down.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
If ain't nobody there to watch the show, then who
gives a shit about the show?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
People ask me, oh, why don't you do bracketed tournaments?
Because nobody gives a shit about bracketed tournaments. Nobody's there
to watch Flee Roy Brown compete.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I like doing super fights because I get to put
on a show. I get to go strup my stuff, right, So,
you know, I try to live that same way like
in Christ.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
You know what I'm saying. I want to be a light.
I want to be a beacon for other people.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And we're so you're very very much cut from the
same cloth.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I lived my life the same way. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I talked to somebody earlier today and we were talking
about that I.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Went through so much pain, so much chaos, and people
are like, why are you you.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Get up every day when everything, every statistic says.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I should be a piece of shit in prison, like.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Dad, all of these things, amen, And it's two things.
My kids because I want to give them all of
the things that I didn't have as a kid. And
I do this podcast and I do all of this
stuff to be a light in a voice for.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
The ones that feel like that they don't.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
And so what you're doing, what you're saying, all of
this thing, you already had an immense amount of respect
from me.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
But if quadrup, what if that's even possible?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Man, I appreciate that, And let me say, let me
share this with you too, right, because you know you've
you've you've lived a relatively rough life too, you know,
if and for everybody out there listening, you know, make
make your struggle have purpose, right, don't just suffer for nothing,
you know what I'm saying. If you suffer and suffer
and suffer, and that's what the vast majority of my
(20:36):
life has been, don't get it twisted, right, flee Roy
Brown is built to bear down, dog, I'm built to
carry burdens, right, So I don't mind the suffering. Suffering
brings you closer to Christ if you allow it. But
another thing that suffering does for you is that it
gives you experience in suffering so that you can help
(20:56):
others through theirs. Right, and so like you kind of said, man,
that's why I don't mind getting up every day and
doing what I do.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Right, I went, I went through a very intense staff
infection where I actually got I don't know if y'all
can see the scarring on my chest there, but it's
all over my chest, all over my shoulders and back.
I looked like a burn victim. And it was after
I had found the Lord. It was very shortly after
I'd found the Lord, and I was like literally bedridden
(21:25):
for like a year. Still didn't miss a single wrestling practice,
taught all my kids, Still didn't miss a single jiu
jitsu practice.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Was there taking notes, so there's no excuses.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
But yeah, my wife literally had to do everything for me,
from putting my clothes on me, to helping me in
and out of the bath, to washing and conditioning and
curling my or you know, putting my detangler in and
you know this, that and the other, and you know,
the whole time I was asking myself, man, why dude,
why as soon as I as soon as I really
give my life to you, why would you do this
(21:54):
to me?
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
And and you know, I feel very blessed because a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Ask those questions and they either don't get the answer
right or or they don't receive the answer. They probably
get it, but they don't receive it, or they don't
get it until a long time afterwards.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But literally the week I got cleared of my staff infection,
I got a call from one of my wrestler's dads
and he was like, hey, man, I just got out
of the hospital. Such and such has cancer. And it
was a kid that I'd worked with, and I was,
you know, very I'm passionate about all my kids, but
as you know, everybody knows you, you know, you grow
(22:32):
a little bit more, you know, closely to some of them,
and I'd grown very close to this kid.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And it became very apparent.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
As to why I had to suffer for the past year, right,
Because had I not suffered through almost dying, right and
being bedridden and this, that and the the other, then
what good would I be as a coach or a
mentor to this kid who is.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Going through that? Right?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
So I think, you know, you got to give your
struggle purpose, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And when one tho.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
You give your struggle purpose by doing like what you do, right,
and by doing what I do and being willing to
help everybody else that's struggling.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Right, So that's the biggest thing. Man's powerful. People call
you charismatic. You got a whole vibe and energy about you.
Was it?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Were you always that way or did you grow into.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
That?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Man, I've kind of always been this way, dude. I
think it's genetics.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
My mom was a prostitute, which you can't be a
non charismatic prostitute, you know what I'm saying, right, They
don't make very much money, you know what I'm saying exactly.
And then my dad, My dad is an artist, but man,
he's the thing that he's most like, the art that
he's the most talented that is the art of talking
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to people.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Right. So, and he he's, you know, to this day,
my best friend.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
So I grew up spending and we were homeless and
stuff together. Right, So I grew up spending a tremendous
amount of time with my dad and just you know,
cutting up with him or watching him cut up with people.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Like there were times where we would go to.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
The mall and he would literally pull the the the
Adam Sandler big Daddy you know where he would send
me up to a table to go tell, you know,
and he would come up and he would get their
phone numbers successfully every time. I never never such seen
a woman turned my dad down, and no offense, Dad.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
My dad's not half as good looking as I am.
And tons of times right, and you.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Know did we were We were writing an escalator at
the mall one time and he starts laying the smack
down real thick on the lady in front of us.
By the time we got to the second floor, he
already had her phone number, you.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Know, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
So I think I was just kind of born with it.
And then, you know, struggle gives your character.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Man, You know there's you know, even if you end
up on the wrong side of struggle, you probably still
a character, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
So uh, people say the same things. People say the
same thing about me.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm like, when you when you've been through what I've
been through, you don't have any other way to look
at life when you could look at life from a
negative standpoint, But I look at it as a as
a way to laugh.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Because yeah, my life been so shitty I can't stand
any more.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Negativity, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, dog, No,
we're just gonna laugh about this one. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
We're gonna take one for the team. We're gonna take.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
We're gonna take it on the tin brother.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
So you know, losses teach more than wins. I know
you're a coach. What's the huff is L that you've
ever taken?
Speaker 3 (26:02):
That shaped you?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Man?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I don't really take l's due, To be honest with you,
I mean, I guess I would say being homeless. But again,
like I said, dude, if it wasn't for the struggle,
I wouldn't be fleet.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So I've gotten my ass whoopd a bunch of times.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I've gotten you know, I've been in some pretty rough
situations here and there, but I don't consider any any
any of them else because it all added up.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
It's shaped, Its shaped who you are. People ask me
that all the time, and I'm like, bro, I don't
really think I took an al because everything that I've
been through shaped who I am and allows me to
be a voice for God to other people, and that
helped them to the light. So it's kind of like
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you know, a friend of mine's what said. I told him.
I said, I feel like at times.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I'm a martyr for God, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, dude, at all times, at all times, brother, here's
my thing, and no such thing as an l.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
It's only God's will being done, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And I have to explain that to I mean, I
don't even really have to, you know, explain that to.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
My wrestlers, but because we win so often, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
When they do lose, right, if they're a Christian, right,
that's that's what we talk about. It's like, hey, dude,
you know when we prayed before the match, did we
pray to win? No, we prayed that God's will was
done right, and God's will was done. You've got nothing
to be There's no l here, brother, You've got nothing
to be upset for. And like you said, a loss,
(27:42):
in my opinion, a high quality loss is better than
any win, you know, because exactly character experience. We can
take notes on those, right, you know. So Yeah, man,
I don't look, I don't. I mean, Travis Thomas beat
the shit out of me for like five minutes one
time in MMA, I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Beat my ass.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
We'll get to that later, I mean, whoop my ass
like I owed him money, dog, And I was still fat,
and I you know, I was smoking cigarettes. I still
smoked cigarettes, but I was fat.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
It was about halfway through the we had an hour
and a half of sparring. It was about halfway through
that I sucked. So they had me over sparring with
you know, the the one hundred and twenty pound men
and the women. Right, Travis Thomas was like the number
one ranked welterweight in the Southeast at the time.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, and he.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Goes flee Roy Brown, me and you and He's standing
over there in the heavyweight corner and I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Like, fuck me, dog, what you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
And so I mean, he woped my ass one time, dude,
But again that I wouldn't be me if it wasn't
for the struggle, dog. So I don't I don't mind
taking an ass whooping. I don't mind taking you know.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
And I've been taking ass whoopings my whole life, and
I'm okay with them now I did.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
It's a whole look at me. I dish a whole
lot of them, a whole lot of them. And I
tell people I hear.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's funny because people hear this Southern accent and they
get fool I say, look, I'm the most friendly, Southern
nice guy you'll ever meet. But zero to Chris Brown
as quick as I need to go. And I'm from Montgumery.
(29:27):
I tell people all the time, like they'll hear me
and they're like, oh, where are you? What part of Alabama?
I'm like, I'm from Montgomery. I always preface. Now, this
is my disclaimer. I always give them this. I wouldn't
suggest you ever go and I heard heard Alabama is
really you'll get murdered. That's why I tell you you'll
get in the city of Montgomery. You are likely to
(29:51):
get robbed and shot at.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And that's and that's why I let them know.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Dude, listen, Fleerroy Brown doesn't pray for war, but if
that that's what it comes down to, that's what Lee
Roy Brown is built for.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
You know what I'm saying exactly to.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
You?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Know, if you with the in regards to your coaching,
if you had sixty seconds to tell an happily what
to do to separate themselves from the pack, what would
you say?
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Attitude?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I mean, listen, you hear that people preach about it, this, that,
and the other.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It's man, your.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Attitude will will get you a lot of places, and
it will keep you out of a lot of places.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And I'm and I'm speaking from experience.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Right throughout my twenty years of being in the wrestling game,
I have seen good attitudes get bad wrestlers into good places,
and I've seen bad attitudes get good wrestlers into bad places.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Right, Like, look at Ferrari. You know Aj Ferrari he was.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I mean, I'm not going to name all the names
of the D one schools that he was wrestling at,
but now he wrestles at like a D three school
just because he couldn't get out of his own way
because his bad attitude. Right, So, man, you gotta you gotta,
you gotta keep your composure, win, lose or.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Draw.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
You know, you gotta you gotta act like you've been
there before. You know what I'm saying, Like this ain't
nothing new to you, brother. You got to play the game, dude,
play the game and be willing to learn.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
And you got to know that you know one.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Like we said earlier, there's no such thing as losses, right,
It's just the big man's will being done. And and
a lot of the times you need that loss, right,
even if you're you're so used to winning, you've put
so much.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Into it, this, that and the other.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
You know, that's probably when you need to lose the most,
you know, be most. So adjust your attitude to being
okay with losing. I'm not saying stop being competitive. I'm
not saying lose the fire or lose the zeal, right,
but be willing to lose, man, It's gonna make you
a lot better. It's gonna make you a lot better.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I had a kid who had wrestled.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Since he was like four, right in the same program,
and I got him in seventh grade, and he was
a good wrestler, Like he was good, and he was
probably the best wrestler at his weight class.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
You know, for the kids that he that he'd wrestled.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And he had a good season, but he didn't have
the season that he could have because as soon as
something didn't go right, he would lose it. He would
absolutely lose it, and he would lose the match because
he lost it up here, right, and then once he
lost the match, he lost his.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Composure would freak out. You know this that and the other,
and he would spiral right.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
And so I kind of made working on his wrestling
and I worked on his attitude for a year straight.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
And so he went from consistently coming in third or second,
you know, to being a middle school state champion. And man,
the only thing I adjusted was his attitude. I didn't
teach him anything new. I didn't give him any new
way of any special this that or the other. There
was no special fairy dust that we flicked on him
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or nothing.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And it was his.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Attitude that changed, right, and it changed his whole game.
And you know, like I said, man, it's in number
one thing that like collegiate recruiters look at is attitude.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
They'll look at your record.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
You know, they don't get me wrong, they'll take a
peek at your record, but if they don't like your attitude,
they do not care what your record looks like. And
if they love your attitude, they do not care what
your record looks like. I had to give that speech
to a wrestler who they had gotten second in the
state the year before, they got third in the state
the year after, right, and they were like, well, how
(33:35):
do I explain that to college recruiters. I was like, dog,
you go back and you win the state the year
after this, Right, They're not going to care that you
went back.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
It's about how you come up afterwards.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
You know, That's all they care about.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Exactly right, So young athletes, change your attitudes because I
see it.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
A whole lot more these days.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Dude, y'all got terrible, terrible attitudes, terrible terrible etiquette, and
your talent is the only thing that's taking you anywhere.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
And that goes away, brother, And that.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Parents co signing is the parents love it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
And I'm like, bro, my kids like I can't score
go at like you've been there. I'm not saying, don't
be stoked. I'm not saying after the came down. So,
but all that extra stuff and that attitude and oh.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I'm listen, I've I've disqualified kid, my own kids from
tournaments for that. You know, you get up, you you
throw a fit, you cry, you this, that or the other.
You're not wrestling again, not for me, not today, you
know what I'm I mean.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So PGF Brandon mcnangel my brother by another mother.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I love that dude. By the way, I'm a big
time fan of him. You know with the Alabama Twisters,
what is you know, your part on it? What is
the vision for the Alabama Twisters?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Uh, dude, I mean the vision is to put the
rest of the world on on watch dude. You know,
because Alabama's had some of the best grapplers in the
world for a long time, you know, Tex Johnson, Matt Elkins,
Jonathan Roberts, Travis Thomas, Flee.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Roy Brown.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
You know what I'm saying, some of the goats when
you're talking about grappling.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
So you know, we we've been ready for it, right, and.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
This is this was just kind of our our chance
to get to get in there and to get.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
To show show the world what we're about.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So you know, that's that's one thing is kind of
you know, showing the world that we've been ready to
growing the community in Alabama, right. And then you know three,
like I kind of mentioned earlier, giving a light at
the end of the tunnel for these kids where man, it's.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
All they got, you know, So I mean, and that
was It's real easy to sum up. It's real simple.
You know, there is no there is no extra this,
that or the other.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You know, we're doing it for the love of the
game one, two because we've been ready, and.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Then three for the kids, man, for the youth.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I agree that the state of Alabama people sleep, but
the state of Alabama has some of the And this
ain't because I'm from the grace that at Alabama we
have some of the most legendary greatest athletes not just
time of all time.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
We produce, brother, we produce, you know what I'm saying,
And we are heavily slept on.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, so I'm glad you guys. You guys are actually
put on, putting on for the state. Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And I couldn't have asked for a better better group
of guys.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Oh dude, me neither, or a better looking group of guys. Right.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
But but you know, to your point that you said earlier,
it's kind of hard to get people, you know, of
Alabama behind grappling. You know it is when you're just
selling the idea of grappling, but when you're selling Alabama
pride with it too, because this is the Alabama Twisters.
This isn't just grappling, right, you know what I'm saying.
This is for the people of Alabama, not just for
(37:08):
the grapplers, right, Because you know you're from Alabama, so
you know this. But yeah, I mean listen for the
people that aren't from Alabama. Just based on the amount
of times that me and Clinton have said Alabama, you
can tell there's just some weird type of pride that
you're born with when you're born in Alabama.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I don't know what it is. I can't explain it.
It's some sort of zeal, it's some sort of fire
that that you're just born with when you're born here.
So like you could get Alabamians behind anything as long
as you toss.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
On Alabama brand.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Definitely, I'm definitely trying to get me.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I'm trying to get me one of them Alabama Twisters
shirts whatever, so I can represent out here.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Listen, follow us, Follow the Alabama Twisters on Instagram, click
the link merchant.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Our bio and buy away.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
We've got shirts and rash guards for sale. I'm trying
to get all of the above.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Everybody, you heard the man go on there, follow the
Alabama Twisters. I know you got a tight schedule.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Let's rap out aney of time.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
You're good when your kids or athletes.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Talk about you years from now. What is it that
you hope they sign.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, this is the one that I was talking about earlier. Man,
I just.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's not really about what they say. You know, I'm
sure they're gonna have a lot to say. I know
I've got a lot to say about my coaches. I'm
sure I've given them a lot to say. But I
just I just hope they know that I care.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
That's that's the biggest deal for me, right is kind
of kind kind of being being the man for these
kids that that I needed when I was their age,
And I just I just hope that they grow up
and they know that they had that, you know what
I'm saying. That's the biggest deal for me. That's why
I do everything that I do now. That's why I
(39:23):
wake up every day and and go lift weights and
get my training in and go talk to my kids
and do all.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
This PGF stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Is just so that these kids have a positive, you know,
male role model to look up to, you know, and
not just that, but but somebody who's you know, got
some life experience that they can legitimately reach out and
and talk to.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So, you know, I just hope when when my kids
are adults, I hope that they that They just know
that I was there.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I can see it through through through social media, not
even I ain't even gotta lay eyes on it, but
I know that they know because you exude exude and
this is hard because you grow up like me, it's
hard to take compliments.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
We say that we're okay with it, but not.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
But you exude this positive energy and this positive vibe
about you, and I know it's God's plan, but it's
also you, and I want you to give yourself credit.
Why by that, I mean God gives us things right
and a lot of people try.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
To hold open doors that were meant to be closed.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
And God can put his foot on your throat and
you can still turn the other cheek and run from him,
but you continue to fight the good fight.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
You get up and you do.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You know, we all have made mistakes, but you get
up and you do and be better each day. So
for me, aut respect, I just want you to know though,
that it comes out in you.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
And I'm appreciative.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Man, man, I appreciate that, and you know it makes
me think.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
We had the.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
We had a freestyle in Greco's state tournament and my dad, who,
like I said, he's my biggest fan. Dude, he hasn't
missed the wrestling tournament my entire life, right, and he
rarely misses ones that I'm coaching, you know. So he
comes out and he watches this, you know, this state
tournament and it was on Father's Day and this kid,
(41:36):
kid of mine, he won and he immediately walked up
to my dad and gave my dad the gold his
state championship gold medal.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Right, And so man, dude, it I'm just thankful, dude.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
I just.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I wouldn't have things any other way, you know what
I'm saying. If I could go back and do it again,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't wouldn't have a single thing changed.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Again, who are powerful in ways that you don't see,
but you're You're a light to a lot of people
there had I can't tell you how many days I
opened up my phone and I'll see something that you
post or whatever that takes my day and completely shifts
(42:28):
that around. So keep being that light that you are
and know that you're loved and appreciated.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
By a lot a lot of man. I appreciate that, dude.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Like you said, it's it's hard to believe, right, but
I do appreciate hearing it.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
What's your personal definition of toughness.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Man, I think we've defined it in this conversation. I
just just being willing to get up every day regardless
of the situation. You know, you can't just lay down
and die. You got a cowboy up, dude. I mean,
you know, you can't just you can't just lay there
and bleed. Half the time. I don't even really consider
myself very tough, you know. And I've I've pulled my
(43:18):
own teeth and I've you know, cracked my own fingers
back into place, and you know this, that and the other,
and you know, but you know it's it's you know,
and then I kind of remember, man, that that's not
really like physical toughness is cool, but you know, a
chimp could do that, man. The real tough thing is
is getting up every day, knowing your purpose and serving
(43:40):
your purpose, regardless of the circumstance right or regardless of
influence or regardless of you know, other people's opinions. You know,
because people look at me like I'm crazy, you know,
like people that know me in real life, that that
get to see the every day you know, because a
lot of people are like man, it's just a you know,
(44:01):
character for Instagram, and it's like, not a dog, dude,
We're out here doing it.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
So a lot of the people that that see me
in my life every day are like, dude, you're crazy,
You're insane.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
I'm a shark.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Brother, Dude, I'll die if I stop moving, you know
what I'm saying. So, like I guess my my definition
of toughness. Like I said, dude, you just gotta wake up,
take take shit on the chin, eat a shit sandwich. Dude,
fucking do what you gotta do, and go to bed
at night knowing that you did your best.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Wake up the next morning, do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
You know, because it's gonna be different for everybody, right Like,
just because me and you have lived particularly rough lives
doesn't make us tougher than somebody who hasn't.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
You know, pain is sane and suffering are relative.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
That is the epitome of because a lot of people
would suffer a while, you know not. My grandmother rest
in peace, She told me one time, My cousins are crackheads.
One of them died a few years ago in pratty
or she was running from the well. She was in
a car they were running from the police. She ended
up hitting a eighteen wheeler head on disease. But all
(45:08):
of them live in a victim mindset. And we grew
up in chaos, and we grew up in and some
of us worse than others. But my grandmother once told me,
and she grew up. She's from Clinton, Chilton County, Alabama,
and she grew up during the Great Depression. And she
(45:28):
said they would literally they were so dirt poor they
would have to take the potato sacks.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
And make clothing out of them.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
And she had rheumatoy to arthritis to the point of
where her feet literally turned sideways and her hands were
I never want heard that woman complain, and so I
asked her. We got towards the end she had cancer. Man,
it was so bad that the cancer was growing out
(45:56):
of her skin literally, And I asked her one time
what made her and she said, you know what, Life
is hard.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
And you got two choices.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
You can either lay there and die, or you can
get up, keep moving and going about your business.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I could sit here.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
And whine and cry and give you a sob story
and lay over here in the corner and act like
but at the end of the day, what is really
gonna do? Even bigger than that? Am I serving God's
purpose of myself? If I'm wasting my breath on crying
about things that happen, go be the light and the
(46:40):
truth to those that need it.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Exactly, brother, exactly, brother. Are you gonna lay there and bleed?
Or are you gonna cowboy the fuck up? Dude? My
advice to everybody out there is the cowboy the fuck up,
regardless of your situation, dude, And listen, I've lived a
rough onean, so there's you know, there's not very many
excuses that up.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
You know, I peel my kids all the time when
you see these trials and tribulations. I'm here to help you.
But also you gotta, as you said, cowboy up. You
gotta buy a cowboy up. Take it on the brother.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Life Life's gonna thump you. Life is gonna thump you.
You gotta be one to.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Take hard harder than some of us, get it harder
than others.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
But hey, everybody getting it one way or another, one
way or.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Another, one way or the other.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
What's the what's the biggest lesson.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
That the MAC has taught you about life?
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Man? It might not be a lesson.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
It might just be the the structure, right, Uh, the
structure and.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
The stability that that it provides. Right.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
So, you know, I'm kind of a cave man, right, So,
so rarely do I leave and I'm like ugly learned
about my life in there, you know. I mean, don't
get me wrong, A lot of people do, and I
think that's beautiful. It's just not me, Like I'm just
a cave man, right. So, but what it did do
for me, you know, was was provide structure and stability
(48:21):
when you know the rest of my life was chaos, right,
And so what that did for me was it it
taught me how to build structure and stability for myself,
you know.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
And I think.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That for me is the biggest thing, like I kind
of mentioned earlier, is the biggest thing that kind of
keeps me out of my own way, is giving myself
a structure and stability and a schedule that I have
to do. I have to do it, you know, I'll
have and I'll melt down if I don't get up
(48:57):
at six so that I can be at the gym
at seven thirty so that I can start doing my
chest at seven thirty.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
Five, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
So so that's that's been the biggest thing that I've
pulled off the mats is structure and stability, and with
those things come discipline.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Everybody likes to talk about discipline, but you don't get
disciplined without structure or stability.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
That's the thing that it did for me as well.
I grew up in chaos, so it gave structure and detail.
It's funny like now dating, it's one of those things,
the same thing.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Like, girls, what is it you're looking for? I just
want peace, structure, detail and peace that I ain't girl.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Look, you ain't even got to I can wash my
own clothes, I can coop my I can make my
own sandwiches.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Well, you shit, you a better man than me. Dog,
I don't even hit my own penails.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I didn't make this coffee. I didn't even download this dog.
My wife did all of that. I don't brush my
own hair, right, like, I am a man child.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Right.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
I go out the world exactly.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
I will go out and I will single handedly conquer
the world.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
But when I'm at home, I am a mama's boy. Dude.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
You know what I'm saying, who would be your dream
role or match against somebody?
Speaker 3 (50:29):
All Right? You know what, dude.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Actually kind of brought it up earlier, Travis Thomas. I
want you at one hundred and thirty five pounds, brother,
me and you on the PGF on the freaking summit
at my gym, at your gym, I do not care.
(50:54):
Meet me at one hundred and thirty five pounds and flee.
Roy Brown will be there. He done. He whooped my
ass so bad about four or five years ago that
I lost sleep over it.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Dog Right, I I listen, I said earlier.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I haven't taken an L, right, I don't necessarily count
it as an L.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
But I'm definitely gonna turn it into a duve if
you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying,
that one who I've had my ass whooped so many times,
they're all a blur except that one.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
That's the one that sticks.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
It's always it's always that one. So look, we definitely
got that.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
That's up to them, right, But I mean, PGF, You know, streets,
it don't make no difference to me.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Dog let me now when this is when this is
I need an mbox so you know, I gotta jump
on a plane.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Let me know, because I'm definitely there, dude.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
I will let you know asap. Dude.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
I don't think Travis Thomas is man enough to cut
down to one thirty five, dude, but I'll meet him
there if he does. Quite frankly, I think I think
he ain't gonna take it. Listen, I wouldn't take it neither, dude.
I'd hate to fight me at one hundred and third.
I'm the biggest one hundred and fifty five pounder in
the world, so at one thirty five, dude, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
It'd be absurd, it would be stupid.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Honestly, let's just if we're hashing it out and we're
being real, it would be stupid for Travis to meet
me at one thirty five.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Bad business deal on his end.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Bad will. We're gonna wait and see. Let me ask
you the age old question. You do you wrestled, you
do jiu jitsu? Which one wins in the street five?
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Okay. People are gonna hate this answer, so to.
Speaker 4 (52:48):
Be fair, people are gonna hate what No matter what you're.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Saying, people are gonna hate this answer, dude. But I'll
tell you this. If me and you are gonna fight
in the street, I'm gonna wrestle you first.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
Right. I'm not gonna try to risklock you while we're standing.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I'm not gonna try to jump a triangle on you, right,
I'm gonna try to double leg you and dome you
off the double leg, and if that doesn't work, then
I'll do some jiu jitsu, you know. But I'm not
pulling guard and inverting into ashigarami, you know. No, I'm
gonna double leg the shit out of you. Hope that
(53:25):
it knocks you the fuck out, and if it doesn't,
then I'll go with plan B, which is jiu jitsu
nine percent of the time. I call it baptism in
the concrete. If I can't do is going on, God forbid, dude, listen.
I only said double leg because if I high crouched
(53:46):
somebody in the streets, jiu jitsu ain't even gonna come
into play, you know what I'm saying. That'll be the
end of that.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
That's look and that's a wrap jack.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
And cross done over with us.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
I know you got to go, man, this has been
straight fire. I definitely we need to do a follow
up so we can sit down. We're both gonna cry already,
feel it. Uh, you gave some stories, some wisdom.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Your charisma and the person that you are can't be duplicated.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
I said this a couple of times before, and I'm
gonna say it again. What you're doing and the voice
that you're putting out and the work that you're.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Doing, it's.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Beyond words of what you're doing for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
So keep being you and a lot that a lot
of people are going to hate.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
A lot of people are gonna say this and that.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Continue to shut the doubters out because you are.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
A voice to a lot of people that need and
want to hear it.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
You want to drop your social media so that people
can go give you a follow.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Man, it should just be I mean, I'm I'm probably
the only flee Roy Brown on Instagram.
Speaker 4 (55:18):
Right working, best drink then only one handsome.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
If you need me to be your commentator, hardest working, best,
I can even hear the Rick flair on them if.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
You need me to.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, just lying you're wearing.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
You know, I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
I know you got to go get to coaching them
youngins h If you ever need me.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
You've got my number, call me, text me.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Anything that I can help you with, you know, the
school donations, anything that I can help you guys with.
I'm gonna go buy my jersey. I'll be supporting the
Alabama Twisters. I'm supposed to come home in the next
couple of months. I'll let you know ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir, keep me up.
Speaker 4 (56:09):
I appreciate you. Brother. You have a great rest of
your day.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yes, sir, Man, you have a good one.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
Thank you, Bob. I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (56:18):
Twisters up, baby, Let's go, Let's go.
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