Jared Frayer: Tricks of the trade with the current Virginia Tech associate head coach - Ep. 27

Part 1 of Shane Sparks' discussion with current Virginia Tech associate head coach and 2012 Olympian Jared Frayer on  Episode 26 of the Go Earn It Podcast.

Frayer was a two-time All-American and a 2002 NCAA Division I national finalist for Oklahoma. Frayer is a native of Clearwater, Florida. 

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the Go Earn It Podcast, where we bring you stories each week
of people who have battled through adversity, overcame the obstacles, and earned their
dream. You were born for greatnessand our mission is to bring you the
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to the Go Earn It Podcast.I'm your host, Shane Sparks. Today's
guest a four time NCAA qualifier,two time All American, of course,
a twenty twelve Olympian Jared Freyer whojoins us from Blacksburg. One of my
favorite guys in this sport. Andyou know I mean that. It's great
to see her face. Jared,how you doing. I'm great. I'm

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great, Shane. It's awesome tobe to be catching up with you.
It's been a while and just appreciateyou reaching out and doing what you do
for wrestling and man, excited tobe with you this morning. Well let's
get after it. Good hard handfight. I'm gonna be heavy on your
head. I got a pretty goodlevel change. It's gonna be constant pressure.
I can promise you this, Jared. Nobody's getting hit for stalling on

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this one. So you are fromFlorida, which I always find interesting when
guys are from Florida. It's agood wrestling state. But back when you
were growing up, it wasn't inthe likes of Pennsylvania, Illinois, New
Jersey, but you found a wayin Florida. What are your first memories
as a young wrestler in Florida,Man's that's taken away back. Yeah,

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you know, even just the totell you the truth of the best times
a lot where the days that AmateurWrestling News or you know, some of
those magazines showed up at your doorstepand you got to catch up on you
know. I was such a fanof the sport of you know, all
around the country and throughout the worldreally because I was around some great minds
as a kid, wrestling minds,and to be able to catch up with

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all that stuff without the Internet wassomething that I look forward to. I
had that thing cover to cover andtwo or three times, and that was
that's what excited me, catching upon what was going on around the country,
and I'm really catching up my mindon what I was lacking in the
sport, you know, growing upin Florida, you know, and my
dad was my was my coach prettymuch all the way up to high school.

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He was my technic, my highschool coach, but he kind of
passed me off to a to aclub coach, guy named Glenn Goodman,
who was he was always on theladder kind of behind John Smith and then
John Fisher, and you know itwas at Fox Catcher and wrestler at Oklahoma
actually, and just just kind ofhelped me kind of fast track from from
my freshman year through college. Andand that's what, you know, that's

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what I looked forward to, justjust getting better and traveling and and uh,
you know, catching up with whatwas going on throughout the throughout the
country. And usually it was likethe Zadics and oh gosh, you know,
I wrestled Mike Zaddick and Bill Zaddik, you know, when we were
both six seven years old. Youknow, we traveled to Billings, Montana,
and places in Michigan and Indianapolis.AU Nationals was the big was the

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big to do back then. Asa little kid, USA wrestling was just
kind of you know, didn't didn'thave a whole lot of youth group or
age group type type stuff, andit was all AAU so we travel the
country to try and catch up withwith the Zadas. We were doing doing
good by the Zadas. We werein good shape. Who are your favorite
wrestlers? You mentioned the Zadas,but who are your favorite guys growing up

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that you paid attention to? Becauseone thing's Jared and I love history.
But a lot of guys, italways surprises me big time wrestlers were they
tell me, yeah, I didn'tpay a whole lot of attention to college
for wrestling. It always surprises me. So you you're a fan of the
sports at a young age, whoare your favorite guys to follow? You
know, my dad always gave usthe the opportunity to travel the country and

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and go to you know, theUniversity of Iowa wrestling camps. Big camp
that was that was going on wasthe Quest for Gold and it was Andre
Metzger, you know, a guyfrom Michigan wrestled at at Oklahoma. But
you know I would pay attention to, you know, the Barry Davis is
and the you we we get.We got to go to the eighty four
Olympic Trials and watch watch some ofthose incredible matches. Knny Monday, you

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know John Smith, Barry Davis,you know kind of list of you know,
even Ken Chirptow. He was theguy that kind of came out of
nowhere and made the Olympic team,which was pretty pretty cool in the eighty
eight eighty eight Olympic trials in Pensacola. So you know, some of those
guys, it was just you know, it's typically the international guys, just
because there was no there was nocollege wrestling in Florida. So I really

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paid attention more for the Olympic styles, I guess, and that's all I
wrestled. I didn't wrestle folk stylematch. So I was a freshman in
high school. It was all allau, all freestyle, Greco Roman.
There was there was a thing calledsambo back in the day. You we'd
have what we'd have the g's andand I remember wrestling Mike Zadekin sambo in
the finals of the national tournament whenI was five or six years old.
So so yeah, it was justyou know, I those those type of

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guys, you know, the smallerguys, the Joe Gonzalez, Cory Bays,
these are all you know, crazynames from way back when that I
would follow and I was you know, they scored a lot of points.
And they were little guys one hundredand five pounds. Can you imagine that
that we don't have many hundred fivepunders weren't walking around anymore, but one
hundred five pounds that at the Olympiclevel, one hundred and fourteen and a

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half. All those guys that wouldscore a lot of points, they were
like like little mosquitos. Man,they moved so fast. And so yeah,
some old names there, but that'sthat's who I was. My guy,
Glenn Goodman had had wrestled with thoseguys with Fox Catcher and you know,
wrestling on the on the circuit backin those days. So man,
I would I would follow those guysand those were those were my my heroes.
I didn't have a whole lot ofanything invested in college wrestling. It

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was it was all the international styles. When did you realize, Jared,
that you were good? Wow?I don't. I don't. That's that's
a that's a difficult question. Youknow. I always just did what I
did and and loved it and andmy dad was a coach, and so
that's what I was. I wouldtag along with him. I would videotape

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all this stuff from my for mydad's high school team and travel the country
you know, with with his guys. And I don't think I really gave
myself the credit that that maybe Iwas at a point where I was I
was getting pretty good until until reallymy senior year, I wrestled Mike Zadig.
When I keep bringing up Zadic,but Mike Zadak in the Fargo finals,

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I was, you know, Iwas already committed to a school I'd
signed, I was going to Oklahoma, but I didn't feel like I was
there until until that moment where whereI wrestled Mike Zadak in the finals in
Fargo and and stepped over and gotwrench and pendum, and I was like,
all right, maybe maybe I gotsomething here. You won three Florida

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state championships. What what memories standout still, you know, thirty years
later, Really just the relationships,you know, some of my best friends
or are guys that I grew upwrestling with, and even guys that weren't
even you know, didn't wrestle myhigh school, you know, guys from
around the state of the guys whowas from Orlando wrestled with me growing up,

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ended up playing football in college.But but a guy who's you know,
you know, thick as thick asblood. I mean he's my best
friend to this day. And youknow, being able to travel the country
going to the Southeast regionals and inuh in uh New Orleans, you know,
seeing Bourbon Street and some of thatcraziness for the first time. That,
Yeah, they're definitely the relationships.I go back and do a camp

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or two each year in Florida andjust you know, the guys that are
coaching now in high school and andbeing successful and just that are you know,
you can go back and and shootthe shoot the crap with those guys,
you know, like you're like yourhigh school you know, freshman,
sophomore. So those are those arethe cool things that I that I continue
to to to love about that.And and you know the small circle that

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that wrestling wrestling is in winning thosethree state titles, What's what's some moments
within those matches that stands out?Uh, you know, just remember and
I get I get the opportunity toteach a lot of tech technique at camps
and you know, around the countryand just being able to say, hey
man, this is the stuff Idid when I was, you know,
I'm I'm the I'm the kiss guy. Keep it simple, stupid. The

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stuff that I did when I wasa freshman in high school is the same
stuff I'm teaching right now and thestuff that I do to my college guys
right now. So so just justthinking back on all that, the cool
things where you know, I pinedthe guy in the in then my junior
year in the state finals and youknow, a bundle or a you know,
they uh give all these names,the barbed wire that, you know,
all these things. It's just it'sfun to just rein reenact those those

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moments and and uh, you know, one of one of the coolest ones
for me was it wasn't me wrestling, it was my actually my brother in
law was losing the match and theguy, the kid that he's losing two
ten seconds, I hyping up thecrowd kind of show show boating. My
brother in law catches this guy onhis back to win the state title with
the time you know that the breathholds that the last newar fall point for

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for dramatic experience and and throws upthe three points and he was down to
and he wins by one, andit was just you know, something something
cool like that that you know tothis day, I remember like it was
yesterday talking about technique. And you'vebeen around this sport for so long at
the highest levels, at a tonof success to yourself. You've been around
some great coaches when it comes totechnique, Jared, over the years,

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what's a technique you've gained a newappreciation for and maybe what's something that you're
like, Yeah, not as bigof a fan as is this particular technique
as maybe I was ten years ago. Well, I think the old the
old risk role, the roll throughtilt. Man if I if I would
have known that in high school andcollege, golly, that's that's a that's
a that's a fun move and it'sa movie you get caught in and it's

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it's you know, obviously really reallydifficult to defend. You know, you
got like Spencer Lee and you knowthe list goes on and on and on
that that you get a cross riskor a wrist on a guy, it's
going to be it's he's gonna scorea lot of points with it. So
that's something that man, I waslike, golly, what what a simple
move and something that man, itis it is so difficult to defend.

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So that's that's one that man,I wish I would have would wish I
would have known that. I reallyspent a lot of time, you know,
trying to perfect that position, whetherit's from the wrist roll or that
the you know, the guy tofans and I can find that reinforced bar
and you know, just it's justsuper cool to just break that that that
situation down. And then really theother one is going backwards where my mind.

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You know, if I got toan undertook, I knew I was
gonna score, I would definitely putthe guy in uh in defense mode,
you know. And and the olderI get, my you know, I
need a shoulder reconstruction, I needall kinds. So I don't get to
do that as much. So that'skind of I have to. I have
to find another way to score whenI'm rustling these young bucks. So definitely
the underhook is something that I've lost. It's lost this luster, but I

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love teaching it, you know,guys, you know, my guys Kayle
Penson and Andonian and those guys thatthey they're so good in that position.
So it's still fun to teach.But I can't do it as much,
so it's lost a little luster forme. Talk about the recruiting process coming
out of Florida. You said youhave won far ago. What was the
recruiting process like for you. Ialways wanted to go to Penn State,

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and that's before Penn State was becausethere was his there was a coach there,
a Japanese coach who had coached mycoach, my club coach, Glenn
Goodman, and and we just hadthat, we had that connection. I
was a huge growing up in Florida. What are you doing in Florida as
a kid? You you root forcollege football teams? You know. I
was a Hurricane. I was bornin Miami. I was a Hurricane fan.
Man. I loved college football.And there was not not a man

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in sports that didn't identify to meas a wrestler, like Joe Paterno.
And you know, and obviously it'sa it's a touchy subject now, but
he was a guy that was hardnosed. He was you know, pack
your lunch and go to work andand do things the right way. And
so that's why, you know,really that's why I wanted to go there.

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It was I had a little bitof a connection there and I Joe
Joe Paul was the man. Souh so I got the opportunity pretty much
the same opportunity as I did withwith Universal Oklahoma, and I just fell
in love with with uh. Youknow. Jack Space was the coach there.
Mark Manning was the assistant coach.It was my my boyhood hero,
this kid, David Kilgard who wonsix Fargo titles. He was a stud

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coming out of Iowa. Veryone thoughthe was gonna go to Iowa. He
went to Oklahoma. Jack Spates talkingto me and going Oklahoma. He was
there, he was my host,and I was like, dude, this
is this is this is perfect.So yeah, I ended up at Oklahoma.
I canceled my visit to to OklahomaState. John Smith called and it
just broke me on the over thephone. You're not gonna come to You're

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not gonna come to still Water atyour last visit. You know, this
is the worst mistake you're ever gonnamake. I remember my sister was on
the phone. It was a collectcall and she was like, wow,
he really gave it to you.Johnson is like your hero, and he
said, you just made the worstmistake in your life. I was like,
oh gosh, so we've had we'vechopped it up a couple of times,
me and Coach Smith and about thatcall, and and uh it turned

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out okay. How many visits didyou take? I wrestled in the sun
Kissed Sunkissed Open, which was outof Arizona State. So I took an
unofficial to Arizona State. And thenI took four visits for official business,
Penn State, West Virginia University,North Carolina, and then Oklahoma. And
what was it about Oklahoma? Twoor three things that really ice the deal?

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Uh? Kill Guard being the guythat I that I anticipated in being
now he's still to this day oneof my best friends, in my wedding,
all that good stuff. Just anunbelievable person. As anybody who knows
David Kilguard will tell you, justbeing on that campus felt like it was
it was home. And that's whyI still tell these kids these days,
you know, you don't know untilyou know, and and so you know,

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give us the opportunity to come oncampus and and and feel that feeling
that that you can't you can't sellover a zoom or a phone call.
I felt that there and then yeah, just kind of it was it just
it just felt right and uh,you know, Jack Space is one of
the best that's still on a programand uh building a program for for that

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for that matter, and uh yeah, just uh it was cool. It
was It was further than I probablyyou know, thought I would ever go
to school, but uh, man, it worked out. And and you
know, to this day, I'llbe a be a Sooner fan, through
and through Bloom Sooner. What doyou remember from the first meetings with Jack
Spates and Mark Manning. Man,they're good, They're good, some of

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the best in the business that asfar as uh, you know, they're
not, you know, and Ithink they've getting to know them better.
You know, they're not the usedcar salesman that that maybe they were back
then. Uh, but man,they were. They were good. Coach
Manning was was not too much outof out of college, I think.
And he showed up in my doorstep. He's in sunny Florida and a freaking

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Camaro convertible. Man, let letthat hair flow. Jack Spade showed up
with his with his guitar and playa song of you know, his latest
national champion that he made up andman, they're they're good. They're there.
They they brought the heat, andI think they brought it to anybody,
you know, whether it was awalk on or a full scholarship guy.
They they they could, they could, uh, you know, throw

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the wool on you real fast.And and Coach Manning actually left. He
recruited me, he got me,and you know, he was the guy.
Dude he was, he's like heis today, but but you know,
thirty years younger and man, hecould he could sell a place.
And he had left and taken theYou and I job over that summer,
and I was like, dude,man, that was my guy. I
might have to look elsewhere. Andthen I actually got a CW do I

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get a call from? So Ifound out Chuck Barbie took the head assistant
job, and I was like,dude, I don't know this guy who's
Chuck Barbie? And Kendall Cross wasa really good friend of the family.
And Kendall actually called and I wasdoing a camp with Kendall and he said,
hey, man, just Chuck Barbie, best technician you ever be around,
Probably the best guy never to winn SA a title that I've ever

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been around. You're gonna love thisguy, and sure enough he was.
He was what the program needed,what I needed and uh just a just
a you know, crushed it asas a coach for me, you're one
of the best recruiters in the country. I mean, your resume speaks for
itself. And I know you can'tgive away all the secrets, Jared,
but you know what, You've beenon both sides and the table for a

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long time in these situations. What'syou know? What's you know? Tell
me something that's maybe a little underthe radar that really has a big impact
on recruiting that most people might nototherwise think. Man, it's like you
said, it's a secret sauce alittle bit. I think it's the relationship
game. It's getting to know thekid, being around the family, obviously

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getting into these these living rooms,creating those relationships you know, and and
and making them as genuine as possible. And a lot of these kids,
you know, the vast majority ofthem, you're not going to get a
chance to coach, but that doesn'tstop you from from creating that relationship.
And you know, you never knowwhat comes full circle and and those relationships,
you know, become true relationships.You know where where they're you're on

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personal personal level later later in theircareers, whether it's through the RTC or
what you know, this this transferportal, who knows, who knows when
you get a chance to coach thesekids, so you know, make them
good, make them lasting, youknow, don't just it's it's just not
a fake. You know, it'snot a fake relationship. It's not all
surface. It's it's we dig deep, and you know, I want to

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make it not a not a fouryear relationship, but a forty year relationship,
but where you know, I'm goingto be in these guys weddings and
you know, be friends with themfor the long haul. So you know,
it takes. It takes a village, you know. Coach Roby and
I do. We are super Wego back and forth really really, really
really well. And and that's kindof our motto to create those relationship because

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you never know what's going to happenin the future. And you know what
we were excited about about getting guysto to brighten our our culture. I
think our culture is really really strong, and we do a really good job
of of of vetting these guys andfiguring out if they're the right ones.
If you know, we're not justgoing to get guys because they're really really
good at wrestling. We we haveto make sure they fit what we're trying

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to do here. And it takesa certain guy to to uh build this
culture and and and uh, youknow, one guy can unravel it real
fast. So I think that's that'swhat we're looking not to do. So
that's kind of that makes it easyfor us because we know what we're looking
for. John Smith told me oncethe most disappointed that he ever was and

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not getting somebody was Lincoln mccoraby.So looking looking at your career as a
coach, I want to know what, Jared, you got one guy?
You got one guy. I wantto know the guy that, for whatever
reason, when you got him,you were the most fired up, whether
or not he panned out, justat that time. Who's the guy that
you were most fired up to getAnd who's the guy that's giving you the

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call saying he's going someplace else that'sstung the most. Give me those two
guys who, well, I say, like when I when same thing about
like winning Fargo and kind of sayingokay, I'm I'm pretty good at this
same thing goes while I was whencoach coach Prince Lap and I were,
and when Madison getting that call fromDestin McCauley. He was the number one

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guy all around dudes five time Minnesotaor six time, I don't even know
how many Minnesota state titles he won. But you know, he had just
gone to Ohio State, he'd goneto these other places and he was number
one pound for pound guy, andhe called us and said, I'm going
to be a badger and I wasjust like it was. It was like,
all right, we've made it.Man. I think we had the
number one, one, one ortwo class in the country and you know

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we I think we just taken forthin the country. So it was it
was an exciting time. And Iwas, you know, I thought he
was he was the real deal.You know, he had beat some really
really good guys and not only inthe high school levels, but but but
above him, and so that wasreally exciting. And then and then the
bitter losses. I guess it's reallybeen in the last six or seven years

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here because I think, you know, it's a little different, recruits a
little different. We don't have torecruits as big, a broad based,
so we can really focus on onthe guys that we really really want.
But Mason Paris was a hard one. Makes some Paris and probably Sammy Sasso
though, and they but obviously,you know it's different when you see how

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how successful they've been. But uh, but just the impact they've had on
each program, right, you know, Sammy Sasso is he's an unbelievable recruiter
in his own right. I mean, the guy can, the guy sells
his program. He's a he isa loyal dude that you know, he
just continues to build his his brandand his base and and just does an
unbelievable job with it. And youknow, obviously we've been able to stay

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close to the family now that wehave Sonny, and you know he's gonna
he's gonna be a savage in hisown right. But same people makes some
Paris. I mean, dude's dude'sbranding himself at a whole another level.
And you know he could be thefavorite to win a gold medal in Paris
this year. So that's that's prettypretty exciting stuff. I know Roby had
the same kind of a year ortwo before I got here. He had
the same type of relationship with KyleSnyder. You know, we've we've been

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top two and in a lot ofthese studs, you know, same with
Carterisharracci and you know a couple otherguys that man, it came down to
the last two and it's stung.I mean, and we thought Carter was
was going to be a hoky fora long time. So but kudos to
him. Man, the guy theguys is that savage. And I'm excited
to see see what his where hiscareer takes him. The recruiting stuff is
fun because it all works out.Everybody's got their own path and I'm a

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big believer and it all worked.It is what it is, and and
uh but it's just the what ifsare fun And you're right. I remember
doing an interview with Kyle Snyder.This has got to be eight years ago.
It's been a while, and Iasked him, if you didn't go
to Ohio State, where would youhave went? And you're right, Virginia
Techy. So I was like,really, never knew that, never knew

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that. And uh, I rememberasking him, you know what, what
was the secret sauce with Ohio State? It was it was a It was
an email Tom Ryan sent him aboutabout faith and he said that just really
you know, that was kind ofthe hook. So with you, Jared,
if you don't go to Oklahoma,where would you have gone? Probably
Penn State. Penn State was,you know, definitely a close second.

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They they it's it's wild. Theywere kind of the front runners and the
uh, you know, the grayshirt type stuff. They had another stud
by name by the name of JamarBillman who was coming in from from Pennsylvania
at that kind of the same wayclass, and they wanted me to gray
shirt and he was going to wrestleand they would kind of flip flop and
my my mom wasn't real keen onthat that idea yet, so uh so

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it didn't happen. And that waskind of the only the only the only
black mark on them. And soOklahoma was the spot. What were the
early days like for you in thatroom? They were? They were difficult,
man, they were difficult. Iwas, you know, I always
I always had a couple of tricksup my sleeve. So I wasn't the
guy that got you know, beatup and never got a take down for

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for a year or two. Butbut uh, you know, it was.
It was difficult that the kill guards, the lightners, this guy named
Rod Jones who was a four timeAll American for the for the Sooners,
and and it was just it wasa fun room to be in. It
was we were in the stadium,so it was like, you know,
it was it was an old,old room. I mean that that that
program has been around for a longlong time. And man, there were
cats falling out of the ceiling too. It was. It was awesome.

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It was just the old school,old school wrestling and uh he uh it
was it was. It was agreat time. It was a great time
to be a Sooner back then.I'm always fascinated by those early times in
the college room because a lot ofthese guys, yourself included, you win
three state titles. I mean,you've done a lot of winning, a
lot of winning on big stages,and there's levels and everything. Get into

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a college room and it can bebeat down city and and and you see
a lot of guys that just can'thandle it mentally. Why were you ready
mentally? That's that's a good question. I don't know that that maybe,
well, I take that back.I had a lot of a lot of
great mentors, and in in uhhigh school, there was a kid named

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Dustin de Nunzio is a three timeAll American for Harvard who took a gap
year my senior year, so hewas in He was in clear Water the
whole the whole time, a wholesenior year. So I took a lot
of beatings from him. Made mebetter. He brought some guys in,
got him seat Cinhiro Abbe, carryCo Lot actually came down for for two
or three weeks. So I'd beenaround a lot of high level minds,

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so it was it was difficult.It was definitely something that you know,
you had to pick yourself up fromyour bootstraps and get back in there.
But uh, yeah I had Ihad some some experience in that, getting
beat downs from carry co Lot andthose guys in the in in high school.
But uh but yeah, man,it was just that, like you
said, you know, I didn'tknow. I didn't know if there was

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gonna be away. Actually there probablywouldn't have been away into the lineup if
they if the tragic you know,passings of the guy's cutting weight. That's
when it all kind of all theall the way classes separated and allowed me
a spot to uh to get inthere at one forty nine, where this
guy David Kilgard was a forty twopounder. I was a forty two pounder
or a thirty four pounder. Iwasn't beating Michael Leitner. We had some

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really good matches, but I couldnever could never beat him, And so
Lightner was going to go forty onekill guard couldn't make forty nine on a
two hour way, and he couldthe day the day before he was fine.
So he went out to fifty seven, which gave me a spot into
the one forty nine pound weight,which I don't know that what it would

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have happened without the you know itwas so it was ninety seven ninety seven
when all that went down and theweights we were the seven pounds were out
of or the seven pounds, yeah, seven pounds out of each way class.
One thing Jared that I'm blown awayby in this conversation is the amount
of studs you were around when you'rea high school kid, Like, I

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mean, what, uh you know, Kendall Cross, Carrie Cole at what
when you look at all the peopleyou were around, and I know,
it's so much wisdom you had.So I'm really putting on the spot here.
I'm just curious about this stuff.What's one thing, What's one thing
that you learned at debt from oneof those guys something they showed you something

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they said that it was like,man, that was that was so big,
that was gonna pay off in somany big ways. And you never
would have known him at that time. Well, I guess, I guess
a couple of things kin across definitelytechnically his mindset going into somebody's you know,
it was like ninety six. Imean I was around him after right
after he made the team, rightafter you made the team, and in

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between him making the team and goingand win in winning the Olympics, you
know, he was he was justjust go get it. You got all
this stuff in your box. Andthat's a lot of the reasons the way
I wrestled the way I wrestled becauseyou know, I was around him three
or four summers in a row andjust taught me so much about you know,
the overhooks and you know, thewizard kicks and being good you know,

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the high gut wrenches, all thisgood stuff. And he's like,
you know, you get taken down. Who cares? You know, you're
gonna score a bunch of points,and you got to be able to be
the guy that goes out there,let's let's fly. That's the way you're
gonna wrestle. And you know that'sthe that's the type of person you are.
And then to this day, Iremember sitting in the stands carry Colot

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was was talking about kind of givingus a little mindset session, and he
said, every you know, whetherspiritually, whether it's athletically, mentally,
socially, you should be you shouldbe improving every single day in each of
those categories. And to this day, you know, I kind of use
the quote of you know, whybe good at one thing when you be

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good at or don't be good atone thing, be good at everything,
or you know something that along thoselines, and that's, you know,
that's kind of the way it is. Don't you can't you can't just excel
at one thing and and and leteverything else fall by the way. So
you know, that was something bigthat that he talked about, you know,
improving in every single aspect of yourlife each day and not just one

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one one position. So kind ofyou putting those things two things together and
that was that was that that wasbig. And then to this day I
used the preparation changes, preparation changes, gosh ya, I'm losing losing my
train, Preparation changes expectation. SoI you know, I tell it to

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my guys. I use it inmy And that was Jay Robinson way back
in the you know, early nineties. I heard that from him, and
man, that's something that to thisday, you know, I talked to
my girls about I talked to myathletes about my campers. You know,
if you prepare the right way,it's going to change. You know,
whether you know or not, itchanges your expectation. So yeah, man,

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what are non negotiables with you?Absolutely no negotiables. If I talk
to your guys, are gonna say, when you're wrestling for coach Bryer,
you better be doing this, thisand that, and you better not be
doing this beyond time, beyond time. And that's gonna. That's gonna that
that that wins a lot of thingsin my mind. If you're if you're
there early and doing you know,doing the right thing when when the time

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is and your time is is called, you know, that's that's gonna.
That's a lot of wins in mybook. And and uh so you know,
they they know, they know ifthere's something going on, we got
an individual or or I'm leaving asix thirty from the from the hotel parking
lot, you're gonna be there sixthirty, you might you might get left.
So so yeah, I mean theythink that's that's that's one of them.

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And you know it's that that thatcovers a lot for me, It
really does. It shows a lot. It shows a lot about your character,
your morals, and and you knowthe respect you have for not only
the person you're dealing with or showingup for, but but the business you're
going about. Jared, if Icalled up any of my kids right now
and said, what's the number onerule? I don't have many rules.

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I don't have many rules. Ikind of got two of them that I
wrote, be on time and don'tlitter. That's it. I mean,
if you can do those, butyou're right, because if if you are
late, everything else crumbles. Likeyou gotta take care of step one,
you can do everything else right.It's like I was gonna do this this
and this look you weren't on.You didn't get to do it. Because

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you weren't at the meeting or whateveryou lost. You might not know what
you lost a huge opportunity because youshowed up late and the guy was like,
we'll go through this interview or tothis meeting, whatever it might be.
But I know you're you're dead inthe water because you were late,
Like, can't trust you. Yep, Jared, awesome stuff. This is
part one. We're coming back withpart two. Thank you so much.