How Much More RAW Can We Get?

We are born into a sinful world, not born sinners. There lies a huge difference. This means we learn our behavior and those behaviors shape who we are to ourselves and the world around us. The issue here is God already has a purpose for us - even if we don’t realize it. It’s not until deep rooted conflict arises in our spirit, that we recognize that maybe something is “off” about the life we’re living. So now what? Our vision has to go. All of it. A friend of the world is enmity towards God. Through the hurt, through the tears, through the uncomfort - we tore it all down. This is a requirement to rebuild ourselves into who God has called us to be according to His purpose for us. This episode pushes those limits in full obedience through transparency. This is #Uncut.

Questions

1. Who told you who you were?
2. Who told you what your purpose was/is?
3. Are you ready to kill your will?
4. Once saved, Always saved??

Episode Transcript

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What's good, y'all. It's Markand Jade, God both here. We're
just a couple of millennials who metat the peak of our careers as a
beauty influencer and a corporate cool kidwho decided that life wasn't enough without God.
Our platform and this show are allabout how our journey to healing and
how following after Jesus really changed usand our marriage forever. We aren't your

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traditional churchgoers, and we appreciate thatabout ourselves. Through our testimonies, we
hope that you find relief, comfort, revelation, and most importantly, the
spirit of God. Let's get intothis episode today. We are actually coming
from a different location than the housethe kids. The kids are away.

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We are actually currently in Tulsa,Oklahoma, and Mike Tid of Mayor Bisdom,
y'all would say the gathering place.So we are here at the Version
two conference put on by Transformation Church. When this episode comes out, it'll

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obviously be over. But we arehere because we wanted to take advantage of
being able to get away before thebaby comes, because I am currently what
thirty five weeks pregnant, So yeah, baby MJ is going to be here

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very soon, and so we wantedto capitalize on the time of being able
to just like you know, getsome content out to y'all, but also
just capturing you know, where weare. So we are in a different
location, which means our sound isa little different today, which you know,
my my content hat is kind ofyou know, doing the most because

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I'm a perfectionist and I want thesound to be, you know, top
notch. But we are doing whatwe can. So if you hear any
glitches or kind of weirdness and thesound on this episode, apologies. We
are just in a different location andwe're also in the middle of the city,
so you may hear like cars andwhatnot in the background. But we
just you know, I just neededto say that because I'll add this tour

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so like we were already having aconversations and it was one of those conversations
that like we're having quite often.I think we went from a space where
like maybe we have conversations like thisonce a couple of weeks, like when
we got a chance to like calmdown in science our outside lives. I

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wouldn't even say that, I wouldsay even less than that. I think
let's be realistic. We didn't reallytalk about marriage and what we wanted out
of our relationship until we started doingour anniversary trips. And even at that
it was like, I know,I'm saying like there was a point that

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we I'm not going to all theway back to the beginning because obviously that's
not something that's normal to even talkabout. It's almost like until you're in
it. So I said this toyou, what the theor to I was
like, I didn't know what toexpect from marriage. Yeah, like in

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my mind marriage was a permanent girlfriend. But even the conversation of like actually
communicating what we're expecting of each otherand not even just like in real life,
like I expect you to do thedishes and I expect you to but
like this concept of like what dowe believe about marriage and what are our

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like thought processes, what are welearning and like those types of conversations I
think we started and it started offvery rough with us being like, Okay,
it's our anniversary, we should liketalk about how we feel because like,
yes, it was, we wereplanned it because at that point we

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were actually having these conversations. Wewere watching um um, we were watching
stuff but we weren't talking. No, we will watch Upset the Vows.
Yeah, this was before our firsttrip, but that wasn't no. But
I'm speaking from a perspective of,like, really look at how different those
conversations were. I mean you callthem conversations. I don't necessarily call them

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conversations because I didn't really have muchinput. I was in a learning space,
so like, but we would watchUpset the Vows, which is a
I think what eight part series thatTim Ross and his wife did on um
It's on YouTube. It's like marriagecounseling via the internet. It's incredible.

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But we made this whole thing ofwatching Upset the Vows, talking about them
and being part of the lead upto our first year anniversary of our marriage.
And then when we got to ouranniversary trip, we continue to digest
like what we had learned and likewhat we were taking on from watching the
series. And then after that wereally didn't have a lot more conversations that

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I can pinpoint of like feeling comfortableand open. Because even if you think
about it, when we went toMexico, when was that was that before
after oh maybe the first trip toMexico that I'm thinking about is when we
went for my birthday, so thatwas before. Okay, well even still,
I never was really comfortable with theseconversations until like more recently, because

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they're hard and they're awkward sometimes ifyou're like just trying to start having them,
because I feel like now we're atsuch a comfort place because we talk
about it all the time, SoI don't even feel like it's a comfort
place because it's kind of going backto something that you said. I don't

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think it's an expectation at all anymore. It's this is what it is.
So for me that's comfortable. No. No, but I'm saying it's not.
It's not a matter of I'm expectingsomething from you. It's no.
No, you said like you saidthat, what do you mean I expected

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it? You mentioned expectations, Andwhat I'm saying is right at this point
kind of like the biggest shift thatI see. It's more so because we've
signed on to what the creator ofus in marriage has to say about marriage.

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There's no longer an expectation. It'sthis is what it is. And
if I'm not doing that, thenI need to repent and then get back
on a course. So because it'snot a view of like, this is
what you think marriage is, Thisis what I think marriage is. Yeah,
I figure out how to make thatwork, which is how most marriages
are. Yeah, it's this iswhat marriage. This is the line of

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marriage. So if I'm over here, you over there, we need to
get to this line. But that'swhat I'm saying. It's like it took
us time to get there because westarted off like anybody else, which would
be what do you what do youexpect? We don't know, But I'm
just saying that's I'm trying to showthe spectrum of where someone could fall,

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Like where where if you're listening tothis, you could fall in that idea
of like even vocalizing your expectation orideas is a far stretch from what you
may have been been even doing before, because if you think about it,
For from my perspective, when wewould have those conversations after watching Upset the

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Valves or even what we did premaritalcounseling, I hated it because I did
not I did not like talking aboutmy emotions that I hadn't like deciphered yet,
and I also did not have anunderstanding of what to expect. I
just only had what I was exposedto. So to be able to even

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vocalize anything, let alone be ableto articulate like a need or a desire,
that was like the first step.I couldn't get to even understanding that.
Like, Okay, you've expressed yourselfand you are speaking from a place
of like what you think you needand what you think you expect and what

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you think you want. But nowhere's actually what God says. So it's
like, I think that part ofthe process has been like this idea of
like recognizing what we thought about marriagethe same way you were, Like I
used to think that marriage was likea permanent girlfriend. Think about how loaded
that statement is and everything that created, like that idea that that's the thing.

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Though, it's had to be brokendown, like that concept had to
be broken down for you, butyou had to express it. You had
to like actually admit that that's whatyou thought. No, I didn't because
I did that. Wait, Ijust told you I expressed this to you
three weeks ago. No, that'swhat I thought. I had never shared
that that's what I thought it was, Because you think that you only expressed

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that to me three weeks ago,but maybe you didn't have a name for
it, maybe you didn't say permanentgirlfriend. It was coming out in your
actions and the way that you thought. So you think that I didn't know
until three weeks ago when you wereable to actually communicate it from like a
labeling perspective, But you were showingme the whole time that like you didn't

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know how to be a husban andI didn't know how to be a wife
like it. But I'm saying itit comes out what you really know and
believe, whether you know it ornot. So that's what I'm saying,
Like it's a process of learning andunlearning to get to a place where we
are now, where it's like,yeah, we have conversations about marriage and

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relationship from a totally different place thanwhat we did even two years ago,
and we didn't have to be marriedfor ten plus years or be in this
like long marriage of like all theseyears to even get to this point.
So I say that to say,your timing is your own timing in that

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growth and understanding process of like beingable to communicate like where you are and
like what you understand about relationship andlike marriage, your timing is your worderness.
Yeah, it's like, because whyyou look at Premat accounsel that way.
I didn't see it that way.I enjoyed it, not because it

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wasn't not because it was easy,because it was hard, but it was
from a place of like, we'recoming out of me cheating. Yeah,
like we're coming out, Well youwere coming out. I was coming in
because I was I was dealing withWell technically no, because yes I was

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when we were in premail to conflict. No, but this was a year
before the confect Like, it wasn'tlike this. I want to correct that,
because there was there was time inbetween. Like I I proposed,
like things that happened you prior toprior to that point. I'm on a

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roll spiritually. So for me,Prema counseling was not as hectic because or
it was not easy, But Iactually enjoyed it because for me, it
was just another step along this journeyof getting the gunk out because I had

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confess to cheating a year before this, so in that year, a year
before that, I was already gettingto those guys. So you have two
years. So by the time Iknow you said how you felt about Prema,
have a counseling. Now I'm sayinghow I felt about prema counseling that

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just happened to be different from yoursbecause because it sounded like you were kind
of making a very objective statement aboutthis process, when I'm like, actually,
I saw this process much different becauseby the time we get to the
point of people out of counseling,I'm like, Okay, God, I'm

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learning more and more about you evenin this process. I'm hungry for that.
So bring that on because that canonly that can only get us further
from where we've been. Yeah.So because of that, my invitation from
the Holy Spirit was tell ju kid, that invitation even before I accepted it

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to actually obey, had kickstarted aspiritual journey. Yeah. By the time
I obeyed, now I'm like,before I can say we out here,
I'm out here. Yeah, Soit nseling that's just gonna do most off
out of me, and I'm supposedto be there anyway. Yeah we are.

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You gotta date, Like, sowhat do I have to lose?
But if I believe what I say, I believe in this word, there's
so much the game and that helpedme to even lean in even in that
Yeah. So that's why I saythe reason why it was probably harsh for

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you was there's still some will thatneeds to be broken, whereas for me,
I'm already in that process because yeah, and I wasn't there. No,
no, So I'm saying your journeyis how long does it take you
to realize that you ain't got theanswer this way? Okay? But listen,

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because when you realize that, thenit's like, what, there's no
point of me trying to control thisone. I don't even know what I'm
doing here, God, but herelisten to this. Though you see how
different our experiences were in the sametime frame, you also have to look
at the fact that you had donethe thing, sat on it for a

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period of time, had this invitationthat you accepted from the Holy Spirit eventually
right, but you still knew youstill had these things that you knew that
you had acted on, that youknew that you had made like decisions.
Simultaneously. I have you and atall opposite point of view, and my

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vision of you and who you wereto me because you hid stuff really well
was drastically different then who you actuallywere. So there's a level of deception
that I'm also grappling with when we'rein and premarital counseling, because yes,

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you told me about cheating, youconfessed a year before premarital counseling, We're
getting married, all these things,but I'm still at that time having to
wrap my mind around something I didn'taccept, something I didn't like willfully.
Okay, I'll deal with this likeit was a struggle because I didn't want

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it. I didn't want to facethis idea that you weren't this perfect person.
That was very difficult for me.You were probably the first person that
God used to like break down mylike people pleasing and trauma like focused way

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of like putting people on pedestals.So that pain that experience was so like
hard. So like while yes,you are going into these paramalal counselings like
okay, let's get it out,let's you know, I'm like freaking the

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hell out, like I'm going throughlike straight up I hate these sessions because
not only it's it's like a freshwound that's getting dug into over and over
again. That wound is touching otherwounds that I, you know, forgot

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about and pushed to the background,and so everything is getting brought up and
at the same time, I'm livingwith you, we have baby, Like
you know, it was, itwas a lot for me, and so
I don't want to diminish what Iexperienced by you know. Yes, I'm
glad that you had the experiences youhave while we were doing that, but

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I can't get over I can't getover how painful that season was because it
affected me in so many ways andthat is my truth. And like,
honestly, it's hard for me tohear you have this, like you know,
I want. I know you're supposedto count it as joy, but

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like right now, that's difficult forme to accept because it's still like that
wasn't enjoy for me. It's stillit's something that like I've forgiven and I've
let go of, but there's obviouslystill something in my flesh about it that's
like hard for me to listen tobecause I'm not I mean, I'm not,

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I'm not all the way there tolike hear you be like I was.
I was. I was enjoying theprimerial counseling, Like wait, what
you was enjoying it? I wasenjoying it because they're dead. I think
one of the things that I don'tknow that you're fully thinking through is we

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had a question their premoder counseling togo through that question there, and for
me, I got the question.I'm like okay, wow, like these
are some to the questions stuff wehad them talked about, Like wow,
Like I didn't think about this,do it turn it in. I didn't

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want to do primioder counseling at first. Um I had tried to get this
therapy through work, didn't work out. Couldn't find a at this point,
I'm looking for a Christian therapist.Couldn't find one, and definitely couldn't find
a black Christian therapist, which iswhat the goal was in Oregon, Like

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there wasn't one within a two hundredmile radis from where we were, So
I put put therapy on the backburner. But I knew I needed it,
and this was post confessional, sothere was already something that gotta based
from my heart. We get topremoter counseling and the first of all,
I don't know about this because Idon't know them. You know them.

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That's a red flag in the premodercounseling world because it's almost like you have
an advantage based on what I've heard, not based on what I've experienced.
The Holy Spirit said, you're goingto get out of this what you put
into it. So the first sessionwe're talking about my abuse. The first

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session we're talking about my shortcomings froman enjoying its standpoint. For me,
it's I'm here now, I can'trun. I don't know what marriage is,

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I don't know what marriage it's like. But this ain't gonna play with
So for me, you know thatabout me now in life period, especially
in marriage, I'm leaning into uncomfortbecause of that invitation. So the way
God does things is what I didwhile wrong, how I confessed, and

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how God used that, not justfor me, but for you. Because
in that first session, we didn'teven talk about me to you. We
were talking about childhood stuff from bothof us. That's why it's hard for
you. I alway started to talkto you about my childhood stuff. So
my main thing, we're being abused. We talked about it that day,

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but that wasn't your first time hearingit. You're having to say things in
front of me and them that youprobably hadn't even said to yourself before.
That's why it was hard and Godused me cheating to pull that out.
Again, that was bad, butGod uses everything we like to use scripture

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that says um um set the turnfrom your enemy and turning um what you
meant for bad? God meant thatfor my girl. For other people,
yeah, for other people that process. So yet again it wasn't that it
was easy. It wasn't as hardbecause I'd already started to open up to

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you about a whole bunch of stufffrom my childhood. I'd already call it
and apologize to my mom about mychildhood. I was already like giving you
that stuff. You weren't open yet. Premit of counseling was your introduction to
therapy. My intro to therapy wasconfessing that I cheated. So that started

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to we started to be here toour I'm sharing stuff with you that I
never share with anybody else. That'snormally stuff that, especially for black men,
you start with your therapist before youeven tell your wife. I know
men now that I know things aboutthem that their wife don't know because they

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told me as the first person.You were my first person. So it
wasn't I don't want us to getlocked into that one space. But it
was because that was allowed first foryou that experience this emotional. We started

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this conversation because I'm reading and I'mreading about the first marriage and what God
intended for that and bringing that towhere we are today. We are closer

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to that than any marriage I've everhad the pleasure of experience of experiencing.
But the reality is because of whatwe experience every day, because of when
we live in, it's a fightto get back to that and we've been
fighting. So look at our manmarriage and Mike, I said this last

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night and it was incredible, Likethe Instagram ain't the best of our marriage.
Nothing on Instagram was created publicly,Like I have so much confidence in

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what God is doing and has donethrough our marriage for life because of what
we've already been through. Because we'vebeen doing the work. That's why God
can trust us with so much twoand a half years in, because we've

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been acting in obedience, because we'vedied to ourselves. We continue to die
to ourselves. We didn't say,well, I'm gonna get married with the
secret and then you know, seveneight years down the line, I'll continue
to cheat. Then our confess andthen we're gonna go to a marital counseling

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and try to make this thing work. We wouldn't be here like here.
Without that, God wouldn't be ableto use us to the capacity that he's
using us. What about that thestuff that we doesn't foll through just individually,

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to get to a place to wherewe can be a clean slate,
to line up with what God desiresfor marriage, to be able to say,
yeah, what I thought was wrong, how I felt about marriage was
wrong, the experiences that I've seenand what's wrong. And no matter who
feels a way about it, nomatter what they gotta say about it,

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We're gonna go this way because Godhas shown himself faithful. Because when we
were going through me cheating, votewas married, wasn't nobody there? But
that's a God. My friends waslike, you're crazy. You should have
done that. You shouldn't tell himlike God didn't make it to where oh

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or girl lean on that. Godmade us lean on him and each other.
There's a beauty and dad. Evenwith the pain, there's a beauty
and dad. Because we got achance to get to know God in a
special way that we cannot get toknow him about that. Yeah, we

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we have this thing in the Christiancommunity where come as you are, and
we come as we come as weare, but even who we are,
it's not who we are. Sowe end up staying there for a long
time because God is waiting on usus to actually be who we are.

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So all that time when we spenddoing things, praying all night, and
it's like we're lying. I justit's hard because I think that we don't
even know that we're lying, becausewe don't really know who we are.
So we think we are this person, this identity that we've put together in

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our minds based on the life experiencesthat we've had, based on what people
have told us about ourselves, andwe really believe that we are who we
say we are. But when youstart to have to reconcile the fact that

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you actually aren't who you think youare. Yes, you may have experienced
things, yes, and people mayhave told you things about yourself, but
who you are is who God saysyou are. And it's hard when you
get to a place where you're like, I really realize that who I think

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I am does not match up withwhat God says I am. And to
go through that conflict within yourself toseparate out what is your flesh, what
is your ego? What is yourspirit? Because God desires us to get

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reconnected with who we are in spirit. This flesh is fleeting. It's the
way you look. What you experiencein the physical goes away your personality.
It fluctuates, it can it cango this way or that way. It's

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emotional. It's by design because weall have a specific and unique path.
But it's not what should be rulinghow we see ourselves. It's what God
says we are who we are inspirit. He formed us, He knew

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us before we were in our mother'sroomb. So that means that there was
a spirit before there was a physicalbody. There was a spirit before there
was a personality. So if weonly think of ourselves, which most of
us do, that's what happened inthat season for me, Like I thought
I knew who I was because Ihad spent so much time using the world

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as my compare and contrast, like, well, I'm not that, and
I'm not that, and I'm notthat, so I have to do this
and so even that though, thatwas still me figuring it out on my
own, and then all of asudden, you get grown, or you

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get to a point in life whereit's like, yeah, that's not going
to work anymore because it conflicts withlike where God is calling you, and
what's in front of you, what'sfacing you and during that season of the
premier of counseling and like us aboutto get married and all this stuff,
Like I didn't know who Jade wasoutside of the identity that I created of

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who I was. And when youget married or you become a mother or
a father, that's a dynamic shift. That's an identity shift because like,
yes, you're still you, butyou're not the same you that you were
before. So how does that makesense. There's a difference between being born

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into sin and being born a sinner. We are not born sinners. We're
born into sin. So it's learned. So that's why Jesus says come as
a child. That's why Jesus says, if you leave these children astray,

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your punishment is worse because as achild, you are closest to who God
calls you to be. You haven'tbeen tainted by world experiences. You haven't
been told that this is good andthis is bad, and this is pretty,
and this is ugly and this iskind and this is mean, and
this is selfishness. Like, youhaven't learned those things. You haven't been

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exposed to pornography, you haven't beenexposed to wrong doing, you haven't been
exposed to lying. Yet those arelearned things. So by the time thirty
and now, it's like, Okay, I realized, like something is off.
I realized that the way I've beengoing about things is it just something

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off about it. It's it's notworking for me. It's causing me more
harm than good. Let me trythis guy away. Okay, you got
thirty years of unlearning to do that. Hey, are you enjoying the show
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hearing how this show is leaving animpact on your hearts and your minds.

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Now, let's get back to theshow. Because the last time you probably
knew who you are, he wastoo. So now we've compounded twenty eight
years on top of that of learningthe wrong of going in the wrong direction.
God don't need twenty eight more yearsto get you up to speed.
But that's gonna mean we have toa linguished control of who we thought we

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were, and that starts were sayingthat's not who I am. I'm not
a cheater. So that process ofwow, thank you, Oly Spirit,
the process of me getting invitation toconfess, me saying it out loud to
myself, and then from then totelling you, was God's showing me,
son, that's not who you are. Me telling you was the last straw

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I did that. Yes, thatwas a reality, but that's not God's
purpose for me. That's not ofhim. God's life been in him.
There's no darkness at all. None. We have to understand that we're boring
into sin, but we're not boringsins. What will it take for you
to throw out who you think youare and actually look to become look to

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God to become who He's called youto be. That's what this whole process
was always about. God used thatin me to show me who his son
really is and who his daughter reallyis, so that he can make us
one flesh, to be literal lights, so that others can see whole.

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I've had some of those experiences,and I can have that. I can
have a kingdom marriage. We arenot getting a divorce ever, because you
are my real there's nobody else fromme. That never was. I put
people in that place. I did, But we've continued to live a lifestyle

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of well, God said this,and I'm going to remove God said this.
So even if I've abat to putsomething in that place, that's got
to go so that God can putthere what he wants to put there.
That's become a lifestyle for us.Now that started with us, That's started

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with us individually. So the oneGod made us one, that's what it
actually was, one with us knowingwho we are, with us knowing that
who we are, it's for this, it's for marriage. That was how
this conversation started prior to us gettingon because I'm reading and we're talking about

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like one flesh, and I thinkwe take that for granted. We put
it through our lens, through theworld of what it means. So we
say, what the Bible says,when you get marriage, you one flesh.
But I still got to take careof me, but I gotta make
sure that I don't lose me.That's not biblical. That's the whole point,

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and that's its counter to everything thatwe know in the world, and
you know, before we got married, that offended me. It hurt to
hear that. It hurt to think, like you mean to tell me everything
I'm I'm built up to this pointis now joined. Yeah, because that

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wasn't God's purpose for you, right, But I just I just just thinking
back to like how far we've comein all of that, and like the
transformation that has happened truly, becauseman, like that was so hard,
that was so hard to let goof. I mean, obviously it's still

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like is it's sensitive because it's like, you know, it's still pretty fresh.
Like I consider us both healed.I consider us both overcame. You
know, we've overcome and we arereally truly operating in God's will, and
that's why we have this level ofpeace and comfort with one another. We

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have this confidence in one another.We can say, you know, two
and a half years in the marriage, like we're never getting divorced, and
I don't feel no kind of convictionabout that not being the absolute truth because
we're we operate differently, you know, and I know that for facts because
we are so honest and transparent withone another, and we we operate on

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one accord, and I just,you know, it's like it's hard to
look back sometimes because I just rememberwhat a struggle it was to like approach
where we are now because I didn'tknow that where we are now even could

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be a possibility. I didn't knowthat we could have the level of peace
and joy in our lives that wehave now back then. So it was
scary and it felt like death trulyso much, so many different ways,
because, like you said, allthat time that I had spent building up

(39:00):
this identity of myself, I hadto break down and God had to reveal
to me exactly what aspects and itwas like, man, I gotta kill
my entire flesh. I have tocrucify my entire flesh, every finger,
every limb, every everything. Likethe way Jesus got he drank that cup.

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He didn't want to, but hewas like, Okay, God,
your will, Father, your willnot mine. If there's a way for
me not to drink this cup,let me know. But I'm not gonna,
you know, go against what youwant. And that's what salvation is.
We're supposed to be walking in Christ'sfootsteps because we are also heirs in

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the way that he is there's aninheritance for us. But he was the
path. He is the blueprint.So if you think that confessing that Jesus
is your lord and Xavier getting baptizedand continuing to like slowly but not really

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changing your heart is going to getyou into your rightful place in the kingdom,
You're mistaken. You've got it.There's flesh that needs to be killed.
There's pride that needs to be takenout. There's there's jealousy and envy

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and covetedness and all of these thingsthat are permeating our culture, especially with
social media. Like we have somuch in our hearts that are not of
God that we don't even recognize ituntil He starts to really show us.
And like that was the hardest thingbecause I genuinely felt like I was a
good person before, and you know, when you would stand us up against

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other people, they're like, oh, yeah, I'm better than that murderer.
I'm better than that person over therethat's like don't got the stuff together,
don't take care of their home.I was still kind of strassed,
like you do all these things thatlike make you think that you're better than
other people, and that's how youmeasure whether or not you are a good

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person. So Jesus said, giveeverything that you have to the poor and
come follow me and watch the tomb. Just I get to the poor,
I'm nice to people. I'm I'mnot you know, blasphem, blasphem,
must I'm not, I'm a goodperson. Cool? Do you every so

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everything you have and give them money? To the point called me, can
you do that? But you knowwhat is crazy about that that I feel
like some people would take that storyand be like, I have to give
up all my worldly possessions to followChrist. I have to be poored,
I have to be out here inrags, I have to be No,
that's not what that's saying. That'snot the live. Don't take it literal,

(42:15):
take it literal. But some peoplethat actually did that, never without
food. No, But I'm sayingit's a heart check. That's my point
is that Jesus knew by spirit inthat moment that the true heart check for
that person wasn't are you are youdoing this? Are you that right?

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That wasn't for him. What thatheart check was for that person was their
materialistic possessions. So you have toask yourself, is there anything that I
wouldn't trade to be in God's presence, to being God's will if it is
there anything that I would not give, because if there is, you got

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a heart check issue? Oh man, man, who who he's asking is
key? If that man would havewent to John or Peter, whoever you
want to name. We can't seeeach other's heart, right, So to

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the little bit like, oh okay, baby brother, get you clean.
You you seem nice? Yeah,talk right, take care of yourself.
You you passed the ourt check.Okay, cool? Poor? But my
dot told Samuel man looks at theouter Yeah, I look at the end

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word. Yeah. Stuff that otherman man, other women can't see.
So the fact that he went toJesus who could see his heart, Yeah,
it was the only way that heeven walked away with the next step
without even realizing it. Yea,until you do that did what should have

(44:12):
done for all we know maybe inthe future he actually didn't do that to
get into the kingdom. But it'sgonna be whatever that thing is for you.
So when you take that to thankyou, No, the spirit,
that's why you have to go toGod to get your purpose. Yeah,
you can't go to another man,you can't go to yourself. You have

(44:34):
to go to him. Yeah,because he's gonna tell you what you can't
see. He gonna tell you whatyou may not even know about yourself.
Yeah. And it's gonna be painful. It's gonna it's gonna feel like offense.
It's gonna feel like God, whywould I do that? Why would
I do that? Because in anotherseason that was a blessing that you gave

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me. Why would I do that? That's what I'm built my identity on.
It's like you spend twenty years buildingyour dream house and then God comes
and says, that's not your lot. Huh. Yeah, I got a
lot of few over there. Ohhere, but I don't built this.
I spent all my don't spending tears, all my savings yea on this.

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Okay, So are you gonna giveit away? Yeah? Are you gonna
live over here knowing I'm gonna callyou to this so I'm not protecting you?
Yeah? Or do you trust aneye for you? And for being
honest? Before that season of OurLives, we were living in the house

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that we did for ourselves. Yeah, that was nowhere near because the lot
we on out looks nothing like thatlot, nothing like it. Whole different
state. But when you think aboutit, though, we were both and
positions where what we had built waswhat the world would see as successful or

(46:05):
as a beautiful home. I wishI could switch space. I wish I
could do what you do for aliving. I wish I could be,
you know, living the type oflife you live. And that was And
again, I think it's so interestingthat God has called us to this place
because you talk about precision, excellence, hard work, ethics, like you

(46:32):
talk about, yeah, we're notcoming halfway, we gonna come correctly and
we're going to be successful at it, and like that ambition was heavy on
both of us, so we didthings at such a high level. And
to then be like, Okay,God, now you want me to kill

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everything that I've worked, blood,sweat and tears so hard for without you,
without you, and you want meto walk into a season where I
don't know what it looks like andI don't know who I am and I
have to be fully dependent on you. And at the very same time,

(47:17):
I'm gonna be opposed, I'm gonnabe misunderstood, I'm going to be essentially
persecuted in a sort of way,not just by random people, because listen
to us. Especially for me,I've had random people come at me crazy
on the internet since I was fourteenyears old. I'm thirty one. I
don't care about some bots and peopleget comments and dea, listen, I've

(47:43):
been through that. It wasn't untilpeople I knew started to have different feelings
about me because of what we believedin the way that we move now that
actually hurt because we were so usedto being the favorite, the most liked,

(48:07):
the you know you best dressed inthe yearbook, like the popular kid.
And I'm reading this book or listeningto this book rather and something that
the author said was like, it'susually the people who are the most gifted,

(48:30):
who have you know, really operatedin their gifts and believed essentially that
their gifts were their purpose that havethe biggest like like breaking up, breaking
season, because it's one thing tobe like, you know, I'm just

(48:51):
normal and I have, you know, some skills here and there, but
you know, like if God callsme to something, then I'm here for
and I'm not really you know,it's the people like us who were like,
no, this is who I am. World I'm telling you who I
am. I've built who I amin the back when I was down and

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out and struggling and kind of believein God but like not really, but
he gave me these gifts, andso I'm gonna lean on these gifts because
they're without repentance, and so they'regonna work whether I'm using them for God
or for myself. And they workwhen I used them for myself. So
I know how to capitalize on thesegifts because they work. Or be honest,

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you don't even think that they Youdon't know that when we're doing that,
Like you don't know, but justsomehow, some way it works out.
You think God is blessing Oh yeah, yeah, that's the reality people
think because of positions. But Godis there too. Yeah, So we
do things like what I try todo. I'm a Nike I'm I'm having

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this experience with God and Guy's Ileave. Yeah, but I'm like,
oh nah, but surely Guy,now you're really gonna start blessing me because
now I'm really down, so likeI should be, I should I'm working
fasting. Yeah, I'm watching mytime messages on my lunch break instead of

(50:25):
going to play basketball with the coolkids. So, yeah, guy,
you now you gotta bless where Ialready am. And as you were talking,
the Holy Spirit blew my mind becauseI've never seen it this one before.

(50:45):
Husbands, we're establishers. Our wivesare expanders. Whatever you established,
she will expand. I established sellingout my desires for his. So December

(51:15):
thirteen, twenty nineteen, or reallyNovember twenty eight, something like that,
twenty nineteen, I obey God finallyand putting in my twenty to nineteen what
I've been known as, what I'vebeen known for for almost ten years of

(51:36):
my life. I put that asideout of obedience to God. I didn't
get fired. I didn't. Iwas about to take a higher position out
of obedience to God. And thenfast forward, God, has you change
your platform. It's not by coincidence, that's obedience. That's the Hey,

(52:00):
y'all doing good, like y'all beenobedient thus far. You know, he's
just shaking your marriage, is youknow good? But you know heart check,
Yeah, that's still in your heart. That's still somewhere that I want
to be. Yeah, somewhere thatbefore where I'm taking y'all, I meet

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to be. Yeah, good tome. The reality is everybody's not gonna
do it. We're gonna keep movingin our gift and then we're gonna say
what God is blessing me? Well, it was faith. No, you
work, not stop, and youwork based on the world's measure. So

(52:45):
like it's not rocket science. Ifyou understand an industry, you understand how
to work in that industry, youcan make it happen. Like it's actually
like, no, you're not workingyour tail off. Yeah like you yeah,
yeah, like we know, weknow what it takes, Like we
know what it takes in the world, like it's it's it's some people from

(53:07):
the outside looking in. Or ifyou're on the come up and you're trying
to achieve and you're trying to grow, you're like, man, it would
be so crazy to make sixty thousanddollars a year. It'd be so crazy
to make one hundred thousand dollars.Ye, it would be so crazy.
But it really in the world,it ain't that. It ain't even that
hard when you really look at it, when you really understand that, like,

(53:29):
Okay, I just got to dedicatemyself. I just got to commit
to doing like X, Y andZ and then it's going to happen.
And I know that if I likekeep pushing at it, it's going to
happen. That's not hard. What'shard is recognizing that you don't even play
by those rules. God is callingyou out of the world and into his

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will. That is opposite. That'snot like world at all, and not
even a little bit. Where there'sso many places in the Bible, I
mean too many account where we're specificallytold to not be bl the world,
not be like the Birld. Whatwe do is we are like the world.

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But then try to put on God'sT shirt and say, Jesus did
it. No, you did itwith his gifts that are without repentance.
Yeah, so because he didn't.It's crazy because Salt is king for another
almost forty years after the Holy Spiritleft him. So in salts, my

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salts play like, well I'm good. Yeah, because if I was God
and I did this, I wouldjust kill that person. I would just
take that opportunity. So because thathasn't happened to me, God is still
spotowing me. No, it's calledgrace. And guess what that grace us

(55:00):
run out. Yes, it's waylonger and fuller than ours by a whole
lot, exponentially. But there isjudgment to come. Judgment is inevitable.
It's going to happen. There isno escaping it. Yea. So we
can play and it's not even.And this is a thing too. Judgment

(55:25):
is not about nobody but you atall. Only you know what you've done,
what you've said, what you've believedin your heart. So just because
people are not calling you out,just because people may praise you for this
or that or whatever, you know, and when you don't know, God

(55:50):
will reveal. And from that point, if you do not change, you
will have to give an account forthat. So don't wait on the world
to call you out and find youout and say, well, I'm gonna
keep doing it until I get caughtor well it says that in the Bible,
but like, I'm not really doingit like that, and I'm not.

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No, No, God does notchange. Jesus fulfilled the law,
but he fulfilled it as far asshowing you, so you're supposed to be
now following in his footsteps. Heis the blueprint. So if you are

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not crucifying yourself for God's purpose,you are out of step and God is
so gentle he is literally the definitionof loving kindness is a gentleman. He's
not gonna push you, he's notgonna cool you. He's going too gracefully

(56:59):
and gently weighed on you. Butwhat he ain't gonna do is change the
purpose he has for you because youwant to do something else, because you
feel too trapped in the world,because you are too overcome by your flesh.
That's not gonna cut it and ithurts like it's painful. Death.

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Death is death, but but butbut but hold on before we listen with
all that being said, with allthat being said, because I don't want
us to focus on the death wehave to I know, I know,
I know, But what I'm sayingis, with all that being said,

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Jesus was resurrected with life. Soeven through all of the breaking down,
the kill of your flesh, theletting go, the stepping out of God's
way, all of those things,you have life after that God can actually

(58:13):
allow you the experience of living,because right now you may not. You
may think you're living, but you'rereally not. Like we didn't know what
real peace and joy felt like untilwe went through our wilderness, until we
went through the process of killing andcrucifying our flesh and recognizing that God will

(58:39):
use everything. But we have waymore to receive from Him through our salvation
than just being able to say we'resaved and we just gonna wait till Jesus
come back. And in between thattime, we're just gonna, you know,
kind of be mixed up in theworld, except in a little bit

(59:00):
of Jesus, mixed up in theworld, mixing a little Jesus. Like
back and forth, you don't haveto be in the back and forth.
You can actually live fully and holyin righteousness. See, I don't believing
those black and forth, but that'sjust me. See, I think that
there is, But I think that'sa debatable that's not going forth because that's

(59:27):
only one way. If you gothat way, there's no back and forth
because before you give your life,because it's not a matter of dying is
figurative because you're not like literally killingyourself. You're dying to a chid.

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Again beyond a child doesn't understand.Yeah, so dying to yourself. It
is Jesus saying, as an adult, who you are to day as an
adult is not who you are createdto be. As a child. Yeah,
so you're dying to that. Yeah, so that now your life as

(01:00:16):
unto a child, to where Ican teach you my ways. Yeah so
if I'm doing that like a child. Yet again, a child has to
be comfortable with you before they staywith you. Our kids, they gotta

(01:00:37):
become like they're not just gonna evenfor an hour. Then if I don't
know you, yeah before so I'mdefinitely not giving my life. I'm not
going to choose you if I don'tknow you. Yeah. So the way
is gentle limitations from the Holy Spirit. I get to know God, Okay,

(01:01:04):
invitation to confess. I hear you, but I don't know about that.
Okay, get to know God.I will go to his work.
There's a message. Whatever you gottado. You know what. I can
doctor him. I can trust himhe used to. I mean, I've

(01:01:30):
been doing this and I'm more peacefulnow when work is hell, I'm more
forgiving at home. Wow, Iain't never. I ain't never. I
ain't never experienced this before. Likeit's different. Cool, you know what,

(01:01:53):
God, the way I've been doingit is wrong. I repent.
Jesus, Please come into my heart. You are my Lord and save you,
I could repent. You're saving mefrom eternal death, and now you're

(01:02:14):
my lord. So I'm doing whatyou say. And I can stay there
because I've already gotten to know Godin my heart before making that decision.
So it's not emotional. It's notbecause I'm of my feelings. And I
came to adult conference and it wasno. I've gotten to know you God.

(01:02:37):
I know what I'm giving, Iknow what I'm dying for, not
what who? And then he revealsto me what. See now that that
stuff that I've never taught you,it's gone, it's out of you.
Now. I can reveal to youwho you are supposed to be, who

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you working for. You were inyour mother's womb. But there's no room
for that. There's no room forhis purpose and your purpose. There's not
enough room for that. Because wetalked to your purpose. That's what we're
dying to. We're dying to whotalks to you? What you know the

(01:03:24):
world? You wouldn't read the bibbleof too. You aren't secluded to where
you was only in the presence ofGod too. We was out here.

(01:03:45):
So to think that I'm twenty aded, I'm gonna just say God come into
my heart and I'm oh, justlike pornography wasn't just I want to stop.
No, I've been in there fortwenty years. It don't work like
that. There's some unlearning that hasto take place. There's some learning that

(01:04:10):
has to take place. So thisI would stay where I'm at and they
just bring us some God on it. No, there's no back and forth.
You would never end. That's thereality. Yeah, because without that

(01:04:30):
blueprint, you can't. There's noway to be really in. Nobody just
breaks a habit. I don't carewhat people tell you know that it's not
the way it works. The sunain't blue. I don't care. Well,
nobody tell you that's not the wayit was created. No, So

(01:04:54):
yeah, I don't know people.That's why I can say things like we're
not getting a divorce because we followguy's bootprint. Yeah, not our own,
not what somebody told us. Iagree. I definitely agree. And

(01:05:15):
I think that that's one of thoseplaces where I think people have pushedback because
it's a matter of like what istruth versus what you're experiencing and what your
perspective is. Because I think likethe back and forth is a matter of
like perspective and like not understanding theclear line that's drawn in the sand,

(01:05:43):
thinking that you can go back andforth, but you really can't. And
I think, like I always youknow, it's still this is still pretty
you know, it's so different.Like I think, like when I think
about us and the way we thinkand the way we move, I don't

(01:06:05):
see a lot of other people doingit. So I always like try to
like be I always try to appreciateother people's experiences from a perspective of like
you may just not be there yet, and it's okay, it's okay it
but I agree with everything that you'resaying because that is the stance that we've

(01:06:27):
taken and that's the only way thatwe've gotten here. Honestly, it's like,
yeah, you know that, Andthat's the hard part. I think.
It's like, you know, youlove people and you want people to
be comfortable, and I mean,we appreciate how hard it is. We've
been through, you know, somuch ourselves, so like we can appreciate
the struggle, like the real truestruggle. And at the very same time,

(01:06:50):
there's a decision that has to bemade and it's not one that like
you can really go back and forthon because once you make a decision that
you belong to Christ, like inthe spirit world, there's no back and
forth. It's either you're you belongto Christ or you belong to Satan.

(01:07:11):
So like there's no and that's thething. So like the world, the
royal will have you thinking, andthat's part of that. Like you know,
unlearning, that habitual unlearning is likeyou're used to. Like for me,
I grew up all over the world. I've been lived in multiple different
types of countries with multiple different religions, multiple different lifestyles around me, And

(01:07:38):
for a long time I was veryaccepting and embracing of like all these different
types of lifestyles and to be ina place where like we are very definitive
on where we stand that we belongto God and we are part of His
kingdom. That means that we standagainst other things. And so if you

(01:07:59):
are someone that's flip flopping back andforth, it's like you may think you're
flip flopping, but are you reallylisten to this. We listened to this
on our way to Tulsa. JuneI was in vers John and I was
listening through and then June first,second, third, John, and then

(01:08:24):
June. I'm gonna read the edgeof the version, because that's all have
access to um here. But theother versions, I think well even help
you understand more of over Sane becauseit uses a lot of the land girl
from today. But I'm gonna juststart on UM. I'm gonna start at

(01:08:50):
three. It says, beloved,when I gave all diligence to write unto
you of the common Salvation, itwas needful for me to write to you
and exhort you that ye should earnestlycontend for the faith which was once delivered
unto the saints. So Judas thoughtoff, like, Hey, I wanted

(01:09:13):
to write to you about someone else, but I've been hearing something crazy,
So now I am about to writeto you about that, because that needs
to be addressed immediately. He goes, honestly, for there are certain men
crept in unawares, who were beforeof old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly

(01:09:33):
men turning the grace of our Godinto lascituousness, and denying the only Lord
God in our Lord Jesus Christ.I will therefore put you in remembrance,
though ye once knew this how thatthe Lord have you saved the people out
of the land of Egypt, afterwarddestroyed them that believed not and the angels,

(01:09:59):
which kept not the first estate,but left their own habitation. He
hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness, unto the judgment of the Great Day.
Even as Sodom and Gomora, andthe cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication and goingout with strange flesh, are set

(01:10:19):
forth an example suffering the vengeons ofEaton of fire. What he's saying is
that people have encrupting your church.That is saying that you can continue to
do whatever you want to do becauseGod's grace is just so great. Let
me warn you that grace runs out. Gives you three examples. Brought these

(01:10:45):
people out ages by grace, andthen kill them for their unbelief, for
their unbelief, for they're not changingthe way that they were acting, still
acting like they were in Egypt.The Golden Paves the whole nine dead,
wholely generation. Moses didn't even getinto the Promised Land. Two people from

(01:11:11):
that whole two people out of thewhole generation got to the Promised Land.
Two fallen angels read about him.Enoch talked about him in June, talk
about him in Genesis, came down, had sex with women, made these
giants of the same origin as thatas Goliath and Goad and all of them.

(01:11:38):
They are now awaiting judgment in chainsand darkness, sienka mora, grace
after grace after grace, including Lotand his family, grace sitting so crazy
side of me, fire boom,y'all gone, So let me with mind,

(01:12:00):
y'all. God's grace has an endiepoint. This ain't to play with.
Ain't no back and forth. SoJudah's addressing. Then there's people in
y'all churches crept in underwarares turning thegrace of our God into lascidiousness that where

(01:12:21):
in the Greek means from a compoundon their part, presume um filthy one
time this you're making the grace ofGod filthy because of your words, Lord
Jesus, and he Oh Jesus.When you say it like that, to
even put God and filthy in thesame statement, it's just it. That's

(01:12:50):
it's painful, that's in the bibble, I know, but it's you know
what I'm saying, Like I mean, I'm just like reating like that is
just so, because God is soholy, He's only holy. So this
idea that something he made in hisown image can make something of him filthy,

(01:13:11):
it is so ah. It justso when we really think about repentance
and how that's different from an apology, it's I can't say that I that
I've turned and I'm still go inthe same direction. Those two things cannot

(01:13:34):
be true at the same time.So it's not a back and forth.
It's that I have a turn.That's the question. Because just because I
said it with my mouth don't meanthat I did it. Yeah, it
don't mean that I believe it.Yeah. So we hear things like believe

(01:13:56):
you believe it? Yeah, believewhen you believe something that comes with an
action, Yeah, otherwise do youreally believe it? And there's proof,
there's fruit, there's evidence, Soyeah, you can too going back and
forth. But eventually, I meanthat's all an angels like they trying to

(01:14:23):
get Enoch to go to God inthe behalf, Like we're trying to go
back and forth and God was like, nah, you over there, yeah
yeah, because God, because it'slike my grace for you as an Angel
is there like you. You know, you got everything, like you know
more than man does. You knowme more than man does. And you

(01:14:45):
still chose how you were literally inmy presence and you chose to be tricked
in the persuaded to coming down here. There's my grace for you, Um
Egypt um Israel. Like y'all sawme spread to see for y'all, y'all

(01:15:13):
saw me feed y'all, y'all werein my presence at the end of the
mountain, like y'all know me.Y'all saw the cloud, y'all see in
a provision. Y'all see me,take y'all the palm trees and clean water.
Y'all have experienced me, and youstill want to go do that?

(01:15:33):
Bye? Like, how do youhave experiences with God and still be like,
Yeah, but I want to liveover here? Yeah, but I
still love the world. Yeah,The world is darkness. God is only
like any him. There is nodarkness. Now, there's a little bit

(01:15:55):
of darkness. That's some shave overhere I can get in Him. Is
no darkness. First, John,So clearly this wasn't a twenty twenty thing.
Do write about this thousands of yearsago? None of this knew.

(01:16:17):
There's still there's lays when people thatare trying to flip out. There's ars
when people that take advantage of God'srace. That's why I say this is
the way it is. Not I'msaying it sent us prayer because you don't
know what you're dying to yet.The way it is, I'm getting to
know the father. Wow, Godloves me like he really is a provider.

(01:16:49):
Before the childener Israel received the Law, they'd already gotten to God.
God didn't take them out of Egypt. And then as soon as that got
passed, the rest he said,I I need you to give me your

(01:17:13):
life. He prought the rest seat, he was feeding them, He provided
for them. They got to knowhis protection. And then came the law.
And then after the law, chooseyou this day you're gonna go whatever,

(01:17:34):
or you're gonna be overhere. Hedidn't make them do that. Before
you brought them out of Egypt,they had an opportunity to get to know
who he was as their father.So now you can just this all the
what I just brought you out ofwhich one do you choose? That's always

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been that way. He's never gotto trick us into a relationship. He's
never used the emotion to draw usinto relationship while because he know that don't
last. He knows that up ahead, that's gonna be bounds, that's gonna
be giants. So I'm not trickingyou into nothing, but to get past

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that, you're gonna need me.You're not gonna be able to go back
and forth because when you see agiant, I don't need you to go
revert to back to who you usedto be because you represent me. So
choose ye this day before we getinto the hard stuff. Choose ye this

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day. Who you will hurt y'allain't gonna pick it. So I'm not
gonna kill y'all because y'all know toomuch. Like y'all, let's start with
these children who if they're learning myprovision, they're learning my law. So

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by the time that y'all age,they're have the faith to do what I
wanted to do, to walk inand their actual purpose. But the ones
that we're get to know Jesus andforty yeah, yeah, y'all, y'all
know too much. Few of y'allto get it and realize that I am

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like, but the rest of y'alldon't nah, So y'all gotta go.
That happened. So when we saystuff like look, God grew gracious enough,
stop it, it's not. It'snot difficul That is a beauty God's
grace and there's no place for that. Let me can do at all.

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Check out June one, y'all.Check out June one, and in any
try lation you want. Because Godhadn't planned man said a lot, Yeah
we did, We didn't. Thatone didn't. Fos comes to us at

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feel like I've been through like anemotional world coaster or a good one.
Baby. It's not taking lightly whatGod has done for us. Yeah,
it's not taking lightly how we gothere. Yeah, because if you don't
know these things about us, youwould think that, oh they you know,

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look at it. She's bad.She like girl, so she's bad.
So her life is just should Godbecause everybody else being in a quiet

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until something good happening and then comeout and say I thank God for that.
If God blessed you with that,God was in it before you hut
it as a blessing, So itain't when it happens, God in it's

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God. I wanted to see itright now, but you promised me that,
So you're in this too. That'swhat it really is. So people
see that, oh should ain't gotno like, this is God. Even
though we no longer get a checkevery two weeks. Ye, Gods still
a provider. Even though we don'tknow where rent gonna come from, oh

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mons from now, God was stilla provider and I would have to worry
about that. That's God. Igot to be obedient to what he said.
That's it. That's lighter than theburden of trying to figure out how
I'm gonna make it happen. Yeah, Like that's the reality that we live
in. Now. You can't livein this reality. If you see a

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thing like the world, it's impossible. Yeah, that's why we have to
die to it. So it's notthat dying is not dying. Dying is
dying to everything that got you herethat wasn't God. That has to go
coming to y'all live from the gatheringplace, the place of gathering place of

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God. We love y'all. Yeah, we love y'all like man, like
these conversations we have that you know, most of the time people don't ye
like, Yeah, we have likeyou know, friends that come over and
let's stay over. We've been talkingabout the stuff. Yeah for hours,
Like we tell our friends to bringour bag spending that list because we get
into these conversations and we get ourbold child. Yeah, we just start

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to go again. Yeah, it'sall spirit d Like we're not talking about
the latest thing that pop our phonesout of the TV or whatever. Like
we're like kingdom work. Yeah,let's educate, let's edify, let's you
know, step into purpose. Let'ssee how we can help each other,

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you know, because time is ofthe essence, and we need everybody to
wake up to their calling as soonas possible, because there are other people
bull who are literally in need ofyou, not who you think you are,

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but who God is called. LikeI can't even I can't even go
into that anymore, but because thatwould be a whole other hour and a
half. But there's people depending onyou and not from a place of It's

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your responsibility to show up. It'syour responsibility to partner with God. It's
your responsibility to take your own heartand soul seriously and recognize that there's so
much for you, so much love, so much peace, so much joy

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in our Father, to where youwill have overflowed to give people, but
the overflow to you is a greatneed for them. We're not here just
for ourselves and our families and ourlegacy alone. We are here for one

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another. We are here trying toget God's kids back to him. There's
a mission and a purpose on eachand every one of us. Especially even
if you are you don't you know, you may not think much of yourself,
or you may think a lot ofyourself. But if you're listening to
this, if you're here, ifyou if you listen to this podcast,
yeah, that means that there's somethingyou're supposed to be here. You're supposed

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to be here, and so weare grateful for you. And because like
oh man, I was thinking ofyou're driving here, I'm going through podcasts.
I'm looking for a podcast and I'msorry, oh man, Like it's

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so mean podcasting, so much content, and what yous have to discover if
you really on this water for real, when God calls you to stuff,
especially in such a convoluted space asthe podcast world, If you got here,

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there's a reason why you're here.Yeah, lean and yeah, open
up your heart like cry, likelean in because the childs are Israel.

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You needed needed clean water. Itjust got out like and they're like,
man, they go to most oflike your most is like God brought us
out here to kill us of thirst, Like what's going on? And Moses
like, Y'all'm mad at guy.Y'all, I'm mad at me. Moses
went to God in behalf and Godsaid, take up this of wood or

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in the water, clean water.That's it. Yeah, the point was
you coming to me God, Idon't need much Like that is great.
That may be a step, butto jump soot that step. Guy's gonna

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just take the thing that you've alwayshad access to, maybe you just overlooked,
and he's gonna say, yeah,listen to that, and if your
heart is open, it can doexactly what God intended for it to do.
God Guy has talked to donkeys likeGod created everything. He don't need

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much. God created us. Hecan use us to get to you.
And it ain't us. Let's getthat straight. It's the Holy Spirit of
working in us as vessels so thatyou need some water, go drink.
So yeah, don't if you're here. That's purpose. Everything have his own

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purpose. Lean into it. Youdo get your box of it. Mark
and I hope you enjoyed today's episode. It's truly a pleasure to be a
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