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What's good, y'all. It's Markand Jade, God both here. We're
just a couple of millennials who metat the peak of our careers as a
beauty influencer and a corporate cool kidwho decided that life wasn't enough without God.
Our platform and this show are allabout how our journey to healing and
how following after Jesus really changed usand our marriage forever. We aren't your
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traditional churchgoers, and we appreciate thatabout ourselves. Through our testimonies, we
hope that you find relief, comfort, revelation, and most importantly, the
spirit of God. We are pickingback up right where we left off last
week on part one of this episode. Let's get into it. So my
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whole mood is affected. Yeah,and the things around me, especially with
kids, I think about this helpsme too. So I don't care about
how much money is in the bank. Mike doesn't care about that. All
they see is Daddy, Daddy.I want to pray, hide and seek,
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which for them is free. Mit's not. And they're not even
saying, Daddy, I want toride in a Namborghini around the corner like
that that. I want to rideon your back I want to ride on
your back. Yeah, and forthem for a kid and man. We
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talked about this in the Minimo groupcheck yesterday of Black coming to God as
a child. Yeah, because ifevery day camera the guy as a child,
they don't wonder how they're gonna eatevery single day. You know what's
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crazy is I was having my goodprayer cry in the shower. That's how
usual to do about every two tothree weeks. At this point, I
was saying to God, like,I just don't want to be worried about
like paying bills. Not that wecan't do that right now, but it's
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like, even when we've been ina season of abundance, I still be
worried about it. And it's likeI just don't. I don't desire that.
I don't desire that. So inmy mind it goes to, well,
how do you create a life whereyou don't have to worry about money?
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And it's like, ooh, Idon't want to go down But that's
the thing. I don't go downthat road because that thought in itself is
positioning me as the one who's incontrol and the one who is declaring like
the will of my life. That'snot what God wants from us, Yes,
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so I had to so I exactlyor I'm gonna come. It's literally
removing yourself from the position of beingin control. And it is so anti
everything we know and we've grown uparound and especially like it's it's this this
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the entrepreneur in me is like,if I want something, I have to
go out and get it. AndI didn't always used to think that way,
Like I literally still like think abouttimes when I was before I went
started working full time as a creator, which was in twenty sixteen. Even
before then, I was still creatingcontent for years, but I wasn't full
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time, and I remember I alwaysheld on to this idea that like,
all I was was one email orone call away from from another opportunity.
That was what I like sat on. I just had faith that God was
going to bring the opportunities in thebills and not the bills but the checks
that I needed to survive. Andthat was genuinely what was in my heart,
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and it was also paired with excitementof something new, so it kind
of clouded this reality of like orthis question of like, but what if
you don't I didn't even allow thatto enter my headspace because I was just
excited about what he was doing andit was just me. I didn't have
like kids or you, or ora house or anything like that to be
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like really pressed about. So itwas easier in a sense for me to
be like, Okay, I'm justone thing away, like and I'm you
know, I'm in twenty four,twenty five, twenty six, whatever,
and so it was easier. Butnow we thirty one thirty two, we
got small kids, were about tohave four kids between the two of us,
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we have a mortgage, like weare we're out here, and I
keep feeling like God is calling us, calling me to that same level of
faith that I had when I wasby myself and being like you just one
call away, one email away froman opportunity. And I've really been struggling
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with that because I'm like, howdo I have that kind of faith?
But I got all these responsibilities andI feel like this is what I won't
say disconnect from the conversation yesterday.I'm trying to find a word that's I
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don't think it was a disconnect.But I also believe that, like this
is why two becomes one for marriage, because God is I have that faith
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now, but God is trying tobreak something else in me. Of this
is because of me. M hyeah, yeah, yes, So while
you're dealing with that, and likethat's even when I said to you,
like ry, like at any momentGod can he he has, so like
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we just got to focus on beinghere. So no, like that's not
my thing, but that's a strengthof mind that if you correctly, can
help us in those moments. Butthen I have moments of one of my
past, like everything I got wasbecause I went out there and got it.
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So if I don't go out thereand get it, it ain't gonna
be got well. And this iswhy, like when I'm talking literally,
I know not even like I know, yeah, spiritually, God's in obedience.
If you're bad, guys, youget check. But but even in
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that, God is still in controlbecause God just says go. He don't
say going on the third step,there's gonna be a bag. He just
says, going, as you're going, it might be on the thirty third
step that that bag is there.But you being obedient, that was the
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whole thing, not in you doinganything right, not in you taking the
steps. And I feel like sometimesthat's it's such a fine line because we
start to get ahead of ourselves whenwe start pumping our own egos up,
when we're like, well, Ihad to partner with God to make this
happen, Like God didn't just comedown and do it for me. Like
I still put in the work,I still did this, and yes you
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did. But again, all theway back, there is a sinful nature
that we are all born into,and there are so many things we do
in our lives that we should noteven be qualified qualified to be in the
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positions that we're into that we shouldnot, we do not deserve, we
do not we are not humanly qualifiedyet and still we are here. So
it's like we have to humble ourselvesand recognizing that we don't deserve a thing,
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and even that like that lucky bugsme because I feel like, you
know, especially in marriage, relationshipsand jobs, like there's a lot of
conversations what you deserve, I deserve, And every time I see that d
world, I'm just like, no, we deserve death, And the story
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actually stops there. We deserve mankinddeserves death. So and that messes us
up, honestly, because what happensis in the world. We can get
accolades, and we can get handclaps, we can get certificates, and we
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can get awards, we can getget different qualifications, and we get fame
and we get so then we getto a place of I've done all of
this, So that's why I gotthis. And you don't just turn that
off when you go into the presenceof God. No, it's it's on
you, It's in you, it'son us. And I really, I
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really believe that's what God is breakingin me doing this whole season, because
that's what I grew up in,that's what I've seen, that's what I've
experienced. And so even me,even me saying Okay, this olive collection
and then putting that, putting theexpectation on it and doing all the things
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that would need to be done tobring it to life it happening. Yes,
I would have given glory to God. Yes I would have. However,
there's also a part of that andthat that would have been like,
well, Mark, you did allthe stuff that you've been taught to do,
that thing, so it was you. And that fine line is I
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deserve death. I don't even toeven be able to put some of the
things that we do to get toa goal. We don't think about the
stuff that we didn't have to dothat was just provided. We don't think
about I didn't have to to makethe telephone line so that I can make
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the calls to get to what Ididn't have to go and grow the food
to get the food to feed myfad. It's like we miss all of
those intricacies that God sees because Goddon't is nothing. Yeah, but we
miss all of those things to wherewe get to a place that well I
did this, Yeah, but whyare you going to school? Somebody was
watching your kids? Right, There'sso much, Yeah, but there's so
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much to where I don't deserve nothingbecause I'm not doing nothing but being obedient.
Yeah, and that's at best.Yeah. Sometimes I didn't doing that
right and God still grace still usingeverything, Like like we always say,
God wastes nothing. Yeah, butit's a thin line between realizing that and
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because the world has given us somuch much glory, we come to a
space where I deserve this. Soanything less is a failure and it's like
nah and dead, So anything moreis arace that anything more than anything more
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than more than death is grace.Yeah, and the thing is even beyond
that, not beyond it, becausethat's it. Man. That taste and
desire and yearning for glory that wehave did not start with us, didn't
start with our quote unquote African ancestorsor wherever continent you believe you came from.
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It started with Adam and Eve.It started with that fruit. It
not even with the fruit. Thefruit was the action of it. It
started it in the heart because wehave to recognize what It really started with
Satan and his desire for God's glory, and when he could not achieve that,
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it became his whole mission for thefor the course of time, including
Adam and Eve, to try totrick us and them into thinking that we
could get a taste of it too. But in all actuality, he never
got it. He never got it. I feel like think about that too,
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right, did you hit me?So we read the scripture that talks
about like when Jesus said I sawI think it's in luke. Jesus said
I saw Satan far from hill likeLatin mh. And we often assume that
that's like forward tense like because Godknows everything. That's what happened after Jesus
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died and all that, but thathappened where before because time, in God's
viewpoint is not the same way weconceptualize time. So even what you just
described happened at the beginning. Yeah, and it's for Sating to even be
in a position to talk to Adamand Eve, and it's had to fall
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from help from heaven, literally,and it happens with every single instance of
us stepping in front of God inour situation, Like even if you got
a word, a prophetic word ofGod spoke to you in a dream,
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whatever, the moment that you startto think that anything you do caused the
the the the the inedible thing,like the end result that is you trying
to take some of that glory awayfrom God. And that is exactly what
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Satan didn't. That's exactly what gothim kicked out of heaven. And even
in that the more I think aboutit, because we've been saying this for
a while, like Adam, youdeserve way more credit than they get,
more credit than they get. Andhonestly, if we think about how,
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then that line is Satan was anangel m hm. So it ain't like
he was just always from the inceptionthis evil thing. But how then that
line is yeah, and that's againwhy, which is honestly why he's probably
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so jealous of us. He isbecause we have the ability. But that's
why, yes, because we getgreat. The angels didn't get grace,
and the fallen angels the one thirdthey fell and I was it and God
denied you half and that I waslike, yeah, all right, you're
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not hadn't even finished writing his petitionfor them, and that was all you
like, Nah, yeah, Isee you doing that. But like let
them know, and they're gonna beyou know, and hates pretty much forever
and come, well, they're gonnabe a hates to judgment. They come
judgment. They're gonna be thrown intothe same fire that something's gonna be thrown
in that don't get together during thisgrace period that is, as long as
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you have breath. Our very breathis grace, Our very breath is is
an opportunity to get closer to Him, as an opportunity to go through this
process that clearly we're going through ofjust on learning and more than anything else,
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recognizing that God loves us so much, he is not I'll say this
again, He's not angry with you, he's not upset, he's not coming
after you, he's not ignoring you, he's not forgotten about you. He
loves you. It's it's us recognizingwhen we have fallen short, when we
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have tried to take His glory,when we have tried to take something that
is God's and God's alone. Thatis what gets us jacked up in so
many different ways, to the pointwhere we don't even see straight no more.
We can't think straight no more.And we are the only ones made
in God's likeness, in his image. So as parents, we understand this
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more than ever. I don't carewhat sor I do. So where I
could literally denounce me, try totry to burn the house down, try
to she could do all those things. I will never not love her the
way that I love her today withoutdoing all of those things. There's no
way that anything she does could removethat love that I have for her.
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That is times I don't even know, because it's not numerable times that by
infinity, and that's how God feelsabout us individually. However, God has
to also protect their love with hiswrath, which I'm talking about the ones
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that belong to him, the onesthat belong to him. Because listen,
this is something that I actually wasthinking about the other day, which we
need to close in the next fewminutes. So I'll just leave this here,
um, and if you have audiencelisteners out there, if y'all have
thoughts and comments on this, feelfree to tap in send us a message
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or dams or whatever. Comment thisconcept that everyone is not a child of
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leaving an impact on your hearts andyour minds. Now, let's get back
to the show. Only those whoare adopted slash reborn through Christ belong to
Him. So this idea that likeGod loves every single person on earth the
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same way is not the case,which when it came to me the other
day, I was like, WHOA, I never thought that before. Well,
let me let me add this though. So, yes, and to
identify as a child of God.If so these are two separate things,
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then right we're talking about Okay,So let me let me let me clear.
Yeah, I'm specifically because God aboutthe world. God loves the world,
but he but we're not all hischildren. And that I didn't know
what's two separate things? Because seehow I just did it again? Was
that conjoining the idea that God lovesus and that were his children as one
thing, when in all actuality heloves us all, but we are not
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all his children. You can lovea family member from a distance that I
can love you, but safe amyou end up in my home because of
the way that we act. Yeah, So to something that you said about,
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like, for example, from anadoption standpoint, we go out,
we adopt the child. It's oftheir best The best thing for them to
do in that position is to actlike they belong to similar to always someones
they live in this house. Wehave some ways that we go about things,
drop some things we do. Whenyou go outside, you you are
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identified as a god boat based onhow you look, based on how you
act. That's it. Yeah,So if you look and you act like
your gob boat, whether you wereborn from jay gobot or not, you're
a god boat. Yeah. Youpassed those you passed those tests. Yeah.
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However, if you go out thereand you act like a Johnson or
whoever, m you don't belong tome. Yeah, I can't identify you
based on your the way you lookand your actions. I can't identify I
can't and it can't be just lookeither. It's really based on because well
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because people say, look, isyou will look a certain way. I'm
not gonna be out here naked asa child. I'm cot hmm, like
that's not the way. No,Well well okay, well would you say,
look, I think you're I thinkthat's where I'm taking like physical appearance.
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I don't want to I would becauseeven you being naked out in public
and saying like you're not a childof God, which technically like that's not
that's an action, it's an actionto put on clothes. So I'm saying
it's based on how you live.Based on how you live, which is
what the looks like is not physical, is based on how your actions.
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So literally, from an outside perspective, like I'm looking at you to know
like how you act every single day, then all I get is a snapshot.
I saw you in public for tenminutes. Yeah, and that's oftentimes
enough and that but I have tosay, but I'm trying to help clean
that up because it's like, well, well, what if I look like,
how does it What does it meanto look like a Christian? That's
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not what we're talking about. That'snot what it means. Look like a
Christian is to show love, tobe kind, but that's through action.
That's not love, that's through action. But if you don't know me,
and it's hard to say that Iknow how you act by a ten minute,
No, that's exactly what it is. No, but that is exactly
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what it is. In ten minutes. I should be able to tell who
you belong to in ten minutes likeshe'll be able to. However, No,
but I could be having a moment. No even if you even if
you're having even if no, no, no, stop using the word look.
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No, stop using the word look. That word is not It doesn't
follow through with logic because take itby if it take look by itself.
I don't want to ever look likea Christian because people's idea of what a
Christian looks like differs and its subjective. Don't use the word look, you
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have to use the word action.The way you are identified in christ is
by the way that you act theway that you live, because a lot
of times people could look at usand say, well, they don't look
like Christians, but spend ten minuteswith me, and I will act like
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who I belong to, and thenyou'll know more than anything that's true.
Well, yeah, so act theact. I stand corrected, it's for
you acts, but yeah, it'show you act. Yeah, And that
pretty much tells, well, youlive in that house or you live in
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another house. Yeah. And it'sliterally that simple, because God is one
house. Yeah, and then sayingthat as all his other houses, now
we can we can keep it,keep it going into you know, episode
two. Oh not episode two,but like a second part of this conversation
would be, you know, butthe reality is people will say that they
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are Christians but not act like Christians. And that is a whole different conversation
because we are very much so capableof not acting like who we belong to,
but still belonging, but still belonging. That is possible, and that's
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not necessarily a detriment to God.It's a detriment. Hold on, it's
a detriment only to ourselves and toother people. Because God does not change
once he has written his name onus. Once he has claimed you,
you are claimed forever. You aresaved by grace. You are That is
it? Crucify with Christ. Youare good, whether you decide to live
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out your salvation the way God intendsyou to or not. But while you
you're going to hell. No listen, Jesus says. Will they not say,
I we testify on your name,We heal people, your name,
we cast out. Then he say, get away from you apart from me,
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ye who practice iniquity. I neverknew you. But that's okay.
Well so there's there's that's the waydiscussion on this thinking. People think that
Okay, I'm gonna say this prayerand then we gucci can live while I
want to. And that's what wesee Christians oftentimes do when God is like,
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yeah, but if I'm really yourdad, my child is a peacemaker,
Jesus said this my child, mychildren, My children keep my commandments.
My children do what I tell themto do. If Sarah decided to
Sarah brings her friend home and thatfriend is doing things that we don't do
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in this house, well that's notmy child. Yes, she's in my
home visiting. I'm gonna make surethat she's protected and that she's good.
But that's not my child. She'sgonna leave my house and go out to
do what she wants to do.Sarah. No, if you live in
my house, you ought to dofollow my commands. But this is the
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thing. That's why the is neverbecause there's a lot more people that have
said to sin Us prayer than havenot. So that's why the path is
now, because only a few peopleactually transform and become the new. But
I think this is where we dissentfrom one another beause I where my head
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is at and where my understanding isat at this point in time in September
twenty twenty two, let mean timemark this because obviously we will continue to
grow and learn and study and allthese things. But the idea that there
is no removal once you are saved, once you are born again, there's
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no removal. There's what you haveto do then to what you're saying,
what you have to specify what bornagain is you believe in Christ. So
there you go. When you believein something, what changes your heart?
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What else then heart change? Thenwhat the way you act? Bingo?
Okay, So to say I believein God. I believe that Christ died
for my sins. I believe thathe rose again, that he's my Lord
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and savior. That means my actions. For if my heart starts to change,
then my actions change. If Isay that I believe that, but
my actions have not changed, thenyou didn't just lie to yourself. You
lie to God and God knows.So that's why I'm saying I'm still though,
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because I can still come back.I could still come back at that
with this idea that time is usuallyrequired between the proclamation of you believing in
Christ and you actually walking and talkingin a different way, because when you
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come into the faith in Jesus,you are a baby in it. So
it's not like you have this likewealth of understanding and all of this conviction
and all these things where you canjust switch up and you can just change
right then. No, but I'mtalking about those people, right God.
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Only God is the only one whoknows what's in your heart. So whether
you tell people or not, itis what it is. And that's the
thing when I think of that scripturethat you're talking about, where people are
going to be like we prophesied inyour name, we did that in your
name, and Jesus is like,I didn't know you. I think that
he's saying I didn't know them froma perspective of you may have done those
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things, but in your heart youdid not actually believe. Because the gifts
come um without repentance. So ifyou have a gift of healing, a
gift of problems, and a giftof certain things, and I'm not okay,
we're kind of convoluting a few thingsgifts of the Holy Spirit versus natural
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gifts. And with this analogy,because Tim rots gate this analogy when talking
to um To, I think itwritin him is Tunisia. But Michelle widens
right, okay to that scripture,um Um Jesus saying out, I never
knew you. They work out anoutberform and they have a ton of workers
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of this albaform, and then somebodycomes to the altberform to like pick up
albums and they're like, yo,I caught somebody in the you know,
backupping sex. Okay, cool enough? Problem Well, like, don't they
message your values? Yeah yeah,but thanks for telling me? Cool?
Um time passed? Hey, umum, somebody stole snobber Okay, not
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cool they're still showing off for work. They're still then it's time to get
paychecks. And I only got ahundred paychecks, but I got a one
hundred fifty people that say they're workingfor me. Give out all the paychecks
to the people that's been coming towork. Then the people that's been coming
to work but doing all those otherthings. Oh I um, we're the
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high your check here. Maybe youwork for this other company. Let's come
to your wickedness. They got yourcheck to pay you for the deeds that
you've done. See, because thereare people to still pay the people to
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still pay the people, and sayI'm paying you just because you're coming to
work, but then you're not working. That goes against the very nature of
a business, the very nature ofGod. Because if that was the case,
what we need Jesus for. Ifeverybody's getting in regarledge just because you're
a child, no no, no, no, no, Now you're going
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too far. That's not what I'mThat's not what I'm saying. You had
me at the analogy. Okay,okay, but I'm not saying from a
everybody. I'm specifically speaking to believers, and I'm specifically work at an outperform
that was supposed to be the believer. I understand that. But then your
actions, your name tag say thatyou work for me, but your actions
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say that you work for somebody else. No, but but they're still showing.
That's the part where I'm like,I don't know, s I can
I give you one more salvation.The building is burning. We're in a
sinful world. Mario says this oneall the time. In a cinful world.
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Christ came as the redeemer to giveus a pathway out of this burning
building. You have to first acknowledge, Hey, there's a path out of
here, Jesus Christ. It don'tstop there. You have to actually get
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up and walk out the building.God's grace is you're still here as you're
walking out of the building. I'mnot saying you gotta get up a run
out. As long as you're movingtowards the exit, you're good. I
get that andree with this, andthat's what I'm saying. But if you
sit talking, oh, thank God, Jesus, now open up a door,
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but you're still sitting on the floor, You're gonna burn up in that
building. Okay, I get that, and I agree what I'm saying is
more so to the idea of likethe reality of that. Okay, I
stood up in the burning building.I'm walking towards Christ. But maybe you
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running towards Christ in the burning buildingand I'm taking baby steps. No,
yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That it's make us awake. We're
gonna get him. We're just gonnafinish this out really quick. But it's
that that tension. No, no, no, but that tension is what
I'm talking about when it comes tolike what we experience other Christians and maybe
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Christians that may um not exemplify whoJesus or God wants us to truly be.
But yet those are the only Christiansthat we may be exposed to or
have only known in our lifetimes.So it's like we don't we may not
know any believers that are actually livingthe way that God has called us to
live, Yet all of these peoplearound us are claiming to be Christians.
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That's what I That's that's the waydisconnect. Just because I say I work
for ten don't mean I work forTesla. Don't stay sticky just because I
so you know this, You've beencatfished. So are you telling me that
because those people claim to be you, that they you. I don't get
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how that makes sense. I cansay anything I want to say, Oh
okay, so what you're saying,But I can claim anything I want to
go. But to me, thateverybody's word for truth. But there are
people who literally claim to be meand they were believed because they didn't know
me. That's the That's the pointI'm trying to make is that no,
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no, no, no, no, no lie. The only people that
is God from a standpoint, I'mtalking about the people who are interacting with
that person who is claiming something thatthey are actually not that I'm talking about
what's the perception. Yes, butit's not a lie that they chose.
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It's a lie that was presented astruth that is actually a lie. So
that that's that's what I mean.We should cut that part all that.
But I was because it was itwas very comming loot and it does not
connect to anything we talked about it. It kind of went on a who
another thing, But I would saythat end end the other topic. I'm
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definitely going to listen to this againjust as a husband, because a lot
of what you said, while itwas tough to hear because I'm doing my
best, and even that was inmy mind. I was doing my best
like that response yesterday. But Ican also see the opportunity in that and
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in everything that you said, especiallyfrom Sometimes God just comforts us. Yeah,
sometimes we just He's not gonna changewhat is happening, because that's exactly
it's doing what it's supposed to do. Clearly, Yeah, it's refining you.
It's burning out the things that can'tbe there for where he's taking just
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listening to that channel war when he'slike I want to burn um refiner.
Yes, yeah, that came intomy mind and he said that that's exactly
what that is, and it andit sucks. And normally when you're being
refined, like gold doesn't have amind of the sown. But imagine gold
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as it's burning, just screaming likethis hurts, Like this sucks. Yeah,
but the few but what they becomewhat's left is like wow, to
think that the only way to getthis was to be burned. So like
part of this conversation felt like,you know, burning because on my shoe,
like I was doing my best.I was where I thought I was
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supposed to be, just like goldis, and it's like you are,
but you're in a process. You'rein a process and that process ain't for
you, Like the gold ain't postedto stop, but like hold on,
why am I burning? It's I'mjust going through it knowing that honestly not
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knowing. But we trust God outsideof gold, so we trust God.
It's like, okay, what Godis doing through me? What God is
doing right now, like there hasto be some reason why he's doing it,
and let me basking that part andlike stay focused on him. This
was encouraging. Good. Well,clearly there's a screaming baby in the background.
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I sent Sir Ride to go checkon him, but you know he
needs us. But yeah, wellthank you for saying that. I appreciate
you listening and like really like hearingme. You sorry for a long time.
So I was like, she ain'tsh going. I'm like, okay,
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podcast podcast that I'm just a guestbecause the guest doctor Jade, is
getting But you've been going on yourlong talks too. This one was like
twenty minutes, you're gonna see whoediting. I was like, and it
hurts like you was like with asword just swinging swing. I'm like,
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hey, got you but yeah,yeah, thank y'all for tuning in.
We learned, we're growing. Ithink this is also a dope episode too,
because it's I think normally we're likehot Horse, but we'll be talking
about stuff that we are a comfortto bull in because we've gone through it.
Yeah, this is one of thefirst worst. Like now that's where
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we're in, yeah, right now, yeah, and like this is how
we're navigating it. So this waslike a version of therapy for me.
I love you, Mark, andI hope you enjoy today's episode. It's
truly a pleasure to be a partof your day. Keep up with us
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Until next time, Chat soon.Bye.