November 12, 2022 • 44 mins
Happy Saturday, Mark here. In part 1 of this 2 part episode, we get even more uncut. A conversation about good and evil yields a disagreement between the “fact oriented mind of a man”, (me), and the “expanded - detail oriented mind of a woman”, (Jade). I actually wanted to scrap this and start over but my wife reminded me of the importance of transparency here. We jump right into a conversation of how good intentions affect us and whether it will have the same effect on our children. As I relistened, I’m reminded that I must always handle my wife with more gentleness than I’m giving. Especially while she’s 8.5 months pregnant. I had good intentions in the conversation, but are good intentions enough?
Questions
1. Who is in the judgment seat?
2. Should we teach our kids to choose?
3. How did it get “hot in herre”?
Questions
1. Who is in the judgment seat?
2. Should we teach our kids to choose?
3. How did it get “hot in herre”?
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What's good, y'all. It's Markand Jade God Boat here. We're just
a couple of millennials who met atthe peak of our careers as a beauty
influencer and a corporate cool kid whodecided that life wasn't enough without God.
Our platform and this show are allabout how our journey to healing and how
following after Jesus really changed us andour marriage forever. We aren't your traditional
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churchgoers, and we appreciate that aboutourselves. Through our testimonies, we hope
that you find relief, comfort,revelation, and most importantly, the spirit
of God. Welcome back to theGuide Boat Life podcast. This is part
two of last week's episode. Ifyou missed it before you get into this
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one, go back and listen tothe previous episode. I don't know what
we're titling it yet by the timeI'm recording this, so whatever the last
episode was, go listen to thatfirst so you can have a bit of
context as to where we are hoppingback in when continuing the conversation in this
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episode. Again, thank y'all fortuning in. As usual, we love
y'all and we hope you enjoy andreceive something out of this episode. Now,
yeah, how's your day long?Trying to manage my just like I
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wouldn't call it anxiety because I don'thave anxiety, but I'm just ready to
have this baby point yes, andI'm trying to be focused on the present.
But it's hard because I feel likeat any moment the baby could come,
and at the same time, Icould be pregnant for another three weeks.
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So that constant like battle of notallowing myself to be questioning is today
the day every day on top ofhaving contractions and just feeling like a lot
of pressure and also trying to justcreate and work and feel like I'm getting
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enough done before the baby comes.Some of the homies will reach out to,
you know, like how am youdoing? Try to ask a few
people and my response, no,lives are always honestly, I'm just trying
to keep right here our stress oftimes about like, you know, am
I ready if that came like today, Like I'll sit down for a change,
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right Having said that, I sitdown for a change, And I
was like, man, like youyou could be you know, making sure
enough airing the what like just thisyou know thing in my head. But
it's like like yeah, like likethose things are important, but I need
to make sure that I'm being whatever, like my wife needs me to be
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wherever these kids need me to belike and and last or not least calm
for when that time comes, sothat I'm not you know, putting that
on you and frantic and all ofthis because we have a tendency to feel
that when we think that it's allout. We're talking earlier about the pressure.
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There shouldn't be pressure here because it'snot up to me. When you're
operating in full obedience, it's likesome pressure, Like I'm doing what I'm
supposed to be doing, and sureenough when that when that time comes,
like I believe that we'll be ready. I know it will be. I
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mean, it's just the uncle comfortof the vacancy, like I think sometimes
in the past and now, butjust in general, like when you're waiting
on something or anticipating something, you'reor at least for me, I will
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imagine what it's going to be likeand obsessed and get anxious and excited and
all these emotions and they can begood and they can also be bad and
making me go crazy about something becauseas much as we want to think of
excitement as a great thing to ourbodies, it computes as anxiety like it
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really don't have much of a differencein impact. So and I noticed that,
like when I was working through likemy anxiety last year, of just
like recognized zing that like if Iwasn't thinking about it, I couldn't tell
whether I was excited or anxious.So now that I don't operate in that
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way, and I don't allow myselfto, you know, be so wrapped
up in my emotions all the time, there's a vacancy because usually because I'm
uncomfortable in vacancy, I'll make somethingup in my head or I'll start doing
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something like be anxious, and thenall of a sudden, I don't know
why I'm feeling anxious or nervous orwhatever, and I don't feel any of
those things. So I mean,I've also been thinking, like, man,
I just be bored, But it'snot like I feel like bored is
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not the right word. Vacancy ismore accurate in the sense of like I'm
not doing anything that I know I'mnot I'm not supposed to do, so
I'm just waiting for the time tohappen, and I'm waiting for the birth
to happen. But I'm like twiddlingmy thumbs like okay, here, I
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am just waiting, trying not tolike spies out or costs, unwarrantage stress.
But it's a delicate balance. Yeah, I think it is a delicate
balance. And chatting carefully here becauselike I'm starting to appreciate more. I
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have to just talking tomorrow about thistonight, like thirty minutes ago. But
um, one of the things that'sbeen like only heavy. It's just an
appreciation for the beauty that is youas a woman and me as a man
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and so and that appreciation is comingfrom a more understanding place where it's not
this assumption that because we're humans,we're going to think or addressing it's the
same way. But actually there's beautyand the differences because we've been given different
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but equal demanding and so I wantto preface we all I'm about to say
with that, but I believe thatpart of that is you. You've never
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been used to like doing nothing oreven the feeling of that I'm not being
a value And for you, who'syou know, pregnant, and it's like
get the pregnancy. It's like anature at this point, you've been pregnant,
you know, for a consistent partof the last four years, and
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when you get to like these pointswhere you can't quite do what you would
normally do anymore, and it reallyis a waiting game and it's like best
that you do less and more.That's when you like get into this kind
of like moved this mode. Andwho knows if we're gonna have another child,
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that's up to God. But whatI do believe, what we believe
is everything happens on purpose. Andlike I think like during this time,
little did you know, like you'veinspired me and helped me so much,
Like and what you're reading or whatyou're listening to, what you share with
me, like it's it's honestly,I couldn't ask for a better partner.
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Um and you wouldn't be in thishalf special if he wasn't pregnant. And
so I feel like you've been betterthis time than you've ever been the last
three pregnices. Managing this time umso uncutigue, but continue lating into it,
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be encouraged and whatever it is Godhas you doing during this time,
it's enough. It's more than enoughand whatever it's not. Godn't make that
up because it's not up to usanyway. Like how in mind if you,
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you know, started to start tocut it off sooner every day,
Like now, I feel like youhave to push bush bush because you are
being more valuable than you could everimagine. Even our conversation earlier, I
don't know if you're partnering Meece too. Earlier was a case of our differences
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being loud versus our differences being notcelebrated, not tolerable, on the word,
but on display in its best form. Because what I heard was the
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man's fact and the woman's feelings,and neither are wrong, but they're just
the beauty of my fact being emptywithout your feelings and your feelings having no
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place without my fact. And there'sso much beauty and that that can easily
be taken taken, not taken advantageof, but skipped over, overlooked.
Yeah, I agree for me rightnow, you know, Just with all
that being said, it's just likein a very heightened emotional time, So
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I am more sensitive and more justtouchy right now than you know normal phy
physically, Like I'm just hormonal andinsexy first, like you know, you
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remember, okay, she has abunt right now, y'all, And just
some history about us. Right whenshe would put her hair in this this
this like gently messy bun. Shehad a baby hair scooped on the side.
I would just be like, yo, that woman riding especially, I
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mean like when when that was thecase, Like I've always adored you,
but I feel like that was atime where where an Oregon, there's nobody
else around us, like where youknow, by most people's standards. Yeah,
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just started talking about it like shedid here in the air. She
moved across the country. But likethose things made me, you know,
drawing closer to you. The curlybune, like that whole vibe, that
like that whole you know time likethe curly bones is just like the visual
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I have of that time period,like we were traveling the world and just
it was just us like Oriana orianasin New York. Um and yeah it's
just and when you cut your hair, like last year, we are you
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talking about when I chopped chopped yeah, after Micah. So okay, so
it's a many years since you couldput your hair in the butt. Okay,
So my mom went to a whole. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
That's one thing I can't really dowith my short hair. Mhm's wearing
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in a bun. But like thatthat I don't know, like that look
it reminds me of like that jade. But I like the look and feeling
of this jade now because it justadds so much more. I mean,
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you are so sixy right now.Like seriously, it's like, wow,
I guess this is what happens whenwe shoot at night because I'm clearly yo,
my baby is I mean, yeah, I won't anyway up. Yeah,
I have a little bit from earlierstill on. Yeah, but like
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you know, that's how I like, I don't know, that's right,
y'all. This is why we havethree kids, four kids? Okay,
because she just wow wow. Butno, like I said, all as
to say, in a time wherejust our differences are used to create even
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more unity, and you hear conversationsof you know, men doing this,
women doing that, and why wedon't do that and why you can when
if there's no other place to hearthe reverence that we have for the way
God created this, the way thathe created us, the ways that a
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conversation like yesterday can make me gooff to myself and just like reflect and
see understanding and and not allow mymy ego or pride to get in the
way of what God wants to sharewith me, regarding it and appreciate and
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lean into like who you are,not who are um mold you into or
any of that, but like whogot created Jay Gobbo to be Thank you,
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I love you, love me tooand gave me you thank you because
it's stretching me and Mark I bollneeds it. Yeah you do. I'm
just kidding. But I'm not kidding. But but you're growing, babe,
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and I appreciate that. I appreciateyou being able to articulate yourself the way
that you do because I know thatthat's rare for men, and I think
it's important that we share that partof it. Like it's not it's not
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like you're any different than most guys. But what has happened is that through
us being honest and like growing togetherand really being vulnerable and like not you
know, taking our relationship for granted, but being able to say, like,
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Okay, if she's saying this,then maybe it's something I should change.
Or if he's saying this, maybethis is something I should be more
mindful of. And in so manyways, I mean that's helped me too,
because you help me not be sowrapped up in my emotions where I
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can't think logically anymore. Like Imay have a moment of that, but
it's far from where I used tobe. And you've been able to see
that over all these years, andI appreciate that because I do feel like
I have like a clarity over myselfand who I am now that I don't
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think I could have without you beinglike that mirror to show me myself in
these different like scenarios of conflict andlike just clashing, because we do have
a flow that we usually operate in, and so when we come out of
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that flow and we're clashing, it'slike, okay, hold on, why
are we clashing? And before Ithink it was easy to always feel attacked,
but sometimes it's not an attack.It's just a matter of like,
Okay, get back to like whatare we actually saying, and don't mix
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your emotions in it, because theemotion is what's clouding your ability to like
hear. Because I think about somany other times where we've been fighting or
we've had seasons where we just foughtall the time, and I remember feeling
like I literally don't understand what you'retalking about or what you're saying. Like
it was like I could not understandyou're speaking English, but I cannot understand
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what you're saying. And it's becausewhen you can't calm yourself down to a
point to like not allow your emotionsto cloud your ability to listen to each
other, then things just sound likegibberish. But the more that we've gone
through those seasons and gotten through thoseconflicts and actually like learned from them,
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it's like trained up that muscle oflike, Okay, if we're clashing right
now, we can talk through it, but like there's got to be a
point of like okay, redirection orlike a pausing, like we had to
step away earlier because it was justI started feeling a type of way and
there was no coming back from thatat that point because I'm talking in my
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emotions, not that that's wrong inthat in that space, because sometimes you
just can't, you know, comeout of it instantly. I'm still human,
but you were trying to come straight, factual, straight logic, and
I'm like I can't. We're notspeaking the same language anymore, right now.
That's that's beautiful though, because thatis the way that we were created
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to operate. And instead of itbeing like always like bang bang bang bang
bang, it's like, okay,well, god, God, I didn't
mean it that way, Like that'snot like what I was trying to say,
but I felt like it was whatI was supposed to say, and
and it was, you know,theologically sounding all of the above, and
it's like, put my dog.He was coming from how she felt about
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it, and you can telling thestory that she told, and you can
telling like the emotion that she had. That's how I created her, and
I would be wise to handling withcare, just like he does. And
I feel like oftentimes in those scenarios, especially in our past, I mean
like you brought up who we usedto be and like it's wild because I
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never think about that, and whowe are today honestly feels so far from
that, like because we are willfight like a few times a week.
Yeah, And it was just likeoftentimes it was just like dumb stuff.
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It was almost feeling like in aseason that like, Dad, we're gonna
have to always have somebody gonna speeddown or break us up, because we
did at a time. That's howwe did. And it was just but
it never felt like fine. Italways felt like like something talking about and
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that used to really think think aboutit like that used to low key kind
of be a characteristic of our relationship. Like yeah, we didn't realize it.
But like when I was talking tot T one of our close friends,
this was maybe like a year ortwo ago now, but you know
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she's been around us since together asa couple since what twenty seventeen, and
this was like twenty twenty, twentytwenty one when we're having this conversation and
she had she made a comment likeof just talking about our growth and being
like yeah, because like you andMark used to like be at each other's
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show. And in that moment,like it didn't offend me, but it
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was more of a like recognition oflike, oh wow, like we were
not as buttoned up as maybe wethought we were, and we were both
coming from a position of like weare two good people, and two good
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people how to come together to createa good relationship. Yeah, And the
problem with that is with two goodpeople are coming to the table with two
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different expectations of each other and otherrelationship, something has to give because there's
not enough room for everything I wantand everything that I feel like it should
be in everything that you and bothfeeling strongly about that while because we're two
good people. Yeah, Yeah,And it's like I think people would be
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surprised if this is like the versionof us that you are being introduced to,
and like you don't know who wewere before, because I just think
about like going back to you know, having people on speed dial to break
us up, like we used toreally call on people like our parents or
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our spiritual mentors in those moments wherewe are going at it so much so
like we can't communicate, we can'tget past it. We're just like in
a tussle. And I think liketo a point, like people that we
called on, I wouldn't say ourspiritual mentors, because I don't I don't
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feel that's about them. I thinkthey always had faith in us as a
couple, but like I don't knowabout how my mom or your parents felt
how much faith they had in us. I think if we asked them,
they would say that they did havefaith in us. But there were moments
where I felt that they were worriedthat we weren't gonna make it. And
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maybe some of that was my own, you know, insecurity, but there
be times when they were like,y'all need to get it together because y'all
are like going at it and thisis like not okay. And it wasn't
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like abusive towards one another, butit was more of a I think the
two of us thought we were sogood that what we thought couldn't possibly be
wrong. And so when you havetwo people with type A personalities and lots
of confidence, budding heads like verymuch so though man and a woman.
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Yeah, so it's like we havethose those strongness in those two areas that
aren't speaking the same language. Yeah. So it was like like compounded on
top of each other. That's whyI think we can speak so truthfully to
why we chose God's Way because itwas the only thing that we could both
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agree on, and you and Idon't even want to agree on it in
the beginning. Really, most ofthat, I mean, our journey was
me fighting that concept because to partiallythe essence of even the memory I shared
earlier was like, you know,I grew up being challenged to think intellectually
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about how I make decisions, andthat trained me to be very decisive on
top of just already being very likefocused and independent and naturally, but to
also be an environments where I feltlike the smartest thing for me to do
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to protect myself, to take careof myself was to be decisive and know
what I want and go after whatI want and stand by what I believe.
To then be in a situation whereI'm being told your idea of marriage
is wrong, your idea of beinga wife is wrong, from somebody who
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ain't a perfect husband, not aperfect man. And again because we both
built up these identities of ourselves ofbeing like the good person, so like,
so much of that was just likeshaken burnt up because like we had
to. But also I think aboutthis stuff by people, yeah, very
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good people, yeah, which kindof ties even all the way back to
earlier. Like with God, it'slike fool proof, it's going to work.
It's for it, everybody around it. It is the way and good
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or being characterized or classified as goodin our own eyes, in the in
the world eyes, and you know, the public eyes does a means to
that letting you down. There's apath of that that that at some point
says, okay, it's I justhan't work. Yeah, like okay,
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something as it is. Yeah,and it's and it wasn't you know that
we didn't have the right intentions,Like we both have the right intentions,
but it wasn't until we decided toput that down and pick up God's way
that everything transformed. Yeah, sonow we can I mean because in end,
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like we we we have like examplesaround us even now, I mean,
we have healthy marriages around us.But everyone's got their stuff. So
it's not like we can say,well we just you know, read these
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specific books and talk to these specificpeople and they got us on the right.
No, this has been a trialand error, holy spirit driven and
realist surrendering. If I had experience, it's one thousand percent um God,
because like we also went through aseason in in This to where God stripped
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away our emergency contacts. Yeah andye people, Honestly, that's when everything
really turned out because it's like,Okay, we've started to lean on not
bad examples, not bad people,good stuff, give intentions, good examples,
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but we've started to lean on thatversus too much versus God. Yeah,
and then it became like us,me and you and God against everything
and everyone. Not because you know, anyone is insufficient or inadequate or whatever.
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It's actually, well, they're notGod, but it's the very opposite.
It's because everyone is inadequate, everyoneis not consistent, every everyone.
So we were starting to lean onpeople for support, for encouragement, for
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this, for that, when forthe very reason, you can't depend on
people the way that you can dependon God. And we learned in very
tough ways through different family issues thatpopped up and friendship issues that popped up
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over the last couple of years whereit really isolated us created opportunities for God
to just yeah, I'm taking allthese people out of your circle quote unquote
for a season because I need Ineeded to just be me and y'all.
You know, it's crazy to thatpoint, right, So in front of
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art good friends, my big brotherMario, he said this on a car.
He was like, people talk abouteverything Joe lost, like but knowing
did Joe get double back for eightlost? But Joe's also got a kind
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of wife that wasn't a witch becausehis wife, originally the wife to him,
Chause Gotta died and he was likeGod also providing her and his wife.
So there was nothing that was removedor taken away that God didn't bring
back once the process of getting toJoe, what he needed to get to
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Joe, what Joe needed to learn, what the God bulls needed to learn.
When that was up, he broughtpeople. He mended relationships even better
than they were before and much morehealthy ways and healthier ways. Yea.
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And all we have to do istrusting, yeah, quite literally, Yeah,
and trust that our obedience was goingto be all that it took for
the first time because we had spentall of our lives doing things our way,
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and you know, asking people's opinionsof stuff and taking into consideration how
people would feel and allowing those thingstoiles. Yeah, are you a doctor,
You've been mad for fifty years?You right here, it's like those
things are cool, right, butthose things are should be used to confirm
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what God has said that already putin your heart. If something feels you
know, off and again that's that'swhy you have to have personally a serious
conviction, sense of conviction and welcominga conviction of the Holy Spirit, and
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just knowing and being tapped into yourintuition as far as like you know,
okay, if somebody's telling me somethingand it offends me, being able to
quickly to decipher like okay, amI being offended because they're attacking me?
Or am I feeling offended because they'rereally saying something that's true. I just
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don't want to hear it. AndI've been suppressing that quite voice in my
heart that's been trying to tell methat, but I don't want to believe
that. So now that this personis coming and telling me the same thing,
now I'm extramad because I don't wantto change and I don't want to
actually accept that maybe I am theissue in this scenario or whatever it may
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be. And I think that likethat process of allowing the convictions to actually
penetrate through those seasons of like isolation, for us was like the hardest thing
because it was like, yeah,this is painful. It's painful to break
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down this ego and this pride thatyou've built up for all this time,
and even transparently even today, likeI was putting Mica to sleep, and
I've been just you know, kindof thinking about people that have been in
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our lives in the past, andjust like how I'm managing, you know,
just doing a heart check really moment, and I'm scrolling on social media
and I see somebody that we usedto be friends with, and I keep
scrolling, but part of me wantedto go back and look at their post,
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and I almost went back, butthen I stopped because my mind was
like, don't go back, becausethen you're going to teach the algorithm that
you want to see more of theirstuff, So like, don't go back.
But really, in my heart,it was like I felt tempted to
go back, and that's how Iknew, like, Okay, the enemy,
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he's trying to like get me caughtup in feeling like angry or bitter
or whatever. But then the HolySpirit said to me, like, you're
not better than her. You're notbetter than her, because what fleshly,
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what I wanted to do was golook at that post and compare and think
about all the different ways that I'mbetter than her, and my conscience was
like trying to soften it, like, well, you know, it's that's
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not that bad and it's you know, but no, Holy Spirit was like,
You're not better than her, sostop it. And that was what
finally like kind of broke this thingthat's been kind of like bothering me the
last few days, and that thisidea of like past friendships because I actually
filmed a video. By the timethis is up, I would have already
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posted it, but talking about likeex friends and friendships and how when I
see people that I not friends itwith anymore, and I feel that bitterness
or that pettiness in my heart,like I like genuinely will pray for them,
And in this moment, I didnot want to pray for her.
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Every other time it's been a littlebit easier because I kind of just like
go straight into the prayer and likelet it go and keep you it.
But I was stuck in it inthis moment. And then that's when you
know, I think that you know, God will press your heart to pray,
because that's when he what it meansto like pray in the spirit,
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Like you can pray whenever you wantto, obviously, like you're supposed to
pray consistently and constantly, but there'sother times when God is like pressing it
on your spirit to pray. AndI didn't feel a pressing on my spirit
to pray. It was more ofa like pressing of like I'm about to
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go in a bad direction and theHoly Spirit had to like convict me and
tell me something versus me trying totell God something. And so yeah,
I just those are the types ofthings that like I've gotten used to now
because I recognize that that is partof maturing, and I appreciate the maturing
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and the discipline because I know it'sbringing me closer to God, it's getting
me to be a better person andall these things. But it doesn't remove
of the fact that, like itfeels a yucky because there's still parts of
me that tries to compare and contrastmyself out of habit to other people.
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And then just in the nature oflike what I do, you know,
that's so much a part of howI used to operate, in what I
do is like looking at what's outthere, finding a niche, feeling a
void. But in order to decipherthose things, I used to use my
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own ways of thinking and doing todecide what kind of content am I going
to do? What are people searchingfor? What are people asking for?
Instead of purely creating content that I'veled to create and I'm called to do
regardless of what else is going onon social media. And I've always kind
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of like played in this pool ofthat my whole entire career of like,
sometimes I'll be called and answer thecall and I'll post something that I know
that like something in my spirit toldme to post this, and then it
goes crazy. And then other timesI'm posting stuff because well, other people
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that I do, the type ofcontent that I do, they post this
type of stuff, so like,let me post that too to make sure
that I'm you know, and Idon't think that that's necessarily all bad,
but part of it is, like, but it's not our standard, yeah,
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And that's what's different is that we'redifferent now, And so like I'm
hypersensitive to only doing things that Ifeel called or led to do and not
falling back into this like comparing andcontrasting mode. But it's also like I'm
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always going to be convicted about somethingbecause we will always be imperfect quote unquote
like with flaw until the end ofall of this. So I'm not,
you know, trying to get toa place where I'm just completely you know,
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sinless. Obviously I want to be. I want to, but I'm
trying to. I understand that's thegoals. But what I'm saying is I'm
not I'm not beating myself up tryingto do things to get there. I'm
I'm more so following the path whereI'm being led and being quick to handle
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myself gently the way that God handlesmyself gently when I do step off of
path or when i do feel convictedabout something, because I'm still learning,
I'm still growing, and that's justwhat repents us for Jesus tells us to
be perfect events your Father in heavenis also perfect. That just means we're
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aiming for that. And when wefall short, because we're aiming for that,
God's grace is sufficient for that.That's why we're here to live,
you know, a life of repentanceto continue that because that is our goal.
Are going to our mission. Whatwe're here to do is to not
move like the world. Our intentionsare to be lights and it lights.
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There's no darkness otherwise it can't belike so yeah, like, that's where
we hold ourselves, that's where Godsees us as his children. That's how
we identify it as children of Godand know we won't be with our flaw
ever until we're with Him. Butthat's showing me our goal. Mark and
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I hope you enjoyed today's episode.It's truly a pleasure to be a part
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What's good, y'all. It's Markand Jade God Boat here. We're just
a couple of millennials who met atthe peak of our careers as a beauty
influencer and a corporate cool kid whodecided that life wasn't enough without God.
Our platform and this show are allabout how our journey to healing and how
following after Jesus really changed us andour marriage forever. We aren't your traditional
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that you find relief, comfort,revelation, and most importantly, the spirit
of God. Welcome back to theGuide Boat Life podcast. This is part
two of last week's episode. Ifyou missed it before you get into this
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one, go back and listen tothe previous episode. I don't know what
we're titling it yet by the timeI'm recording this, so whatever the last
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context as to where we are hoppingback in when continuing the conversation in this
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episode. Again, thank y'all fortuning in. As usual, we love
y'all and we hope you enjoy andreceive something out of this episode. Now,
yeah, how's your day long?Trying to manage my just like I
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wouldn't call it anxiety because I don'thave anxiety, but I'm just ready to
have this baby point yes, andI'm trying to be focused on the present.
But it's hard because I feel likeat any moment the baby could come,
and at the same time, Icould be pregnant for another three weeks.
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So that constant like battle of notallowing myself to be questioning is today
the day every day on top ofhaving contractions and just feeling like a lot
of pressure and also trying to justcreate and work and feel like I'm getting
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enough done before the baby comes.Some of the homies will reach out to,
you know, like how am youdoing? Try to ask a few
people and my response, no,lives are always honestly, I'm just trying
to keep right here our stress oftimes about like, you know, am
I ready if that came like today, Like I'll sit down for a change,
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right Having said that, I sitdown for a change, And I
was like, man, like youyou could be you know, making sure
enough airing the what like just thisyou know thing in my head. But
it's like like yeah, like likethose things are important, but I need
to make sure that I'm being whatever, like my wife needs me to be
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wherever these kids need me to belike and and last or not least calm
for when that time comes, sothat I'm not you know, putting that
on you and frantic and all ofthis because we have a tendency to feel
that when we think that it's allout. We're talking earlier about the pressure.
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There shouldn't be pressure here because it'snot up to me. When you're
operating in full obedience, it's likesome pressure, Like I'm doing what I'm
supposed to be doing, and sureenough when that when that time comes,
like I believe that we'll be ready. I know it will be. I
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mean, it's just the uncle comfortof the vacancy, like I think sometimes
in the past and now, butjust in general, like when you're waiting
on something or anticipating something, you'reor at least for me, I will
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imagine what it's going to be likeand obsessed and get anxious and excited and
all these emotions and they can begood and they can also be bad and
making me go crazy about something becauseas much as we want to think of
excitement as a great thing to ourbodies, it computes as anxiety like it
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really don't have much of a differencein impact. So and I noticed that,
like when I was working through likemy anxiety last year, of just
like recognized zing that like if Iwasn't thinking about it, I couldn't tell
whether I was excited or anxious.So now that I don't operate in that
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way, and I don't allow myselfto, you know, be so wrapped
up in my emotions all the time, there's a vacancy because usually because I'm
uncomfortable in vacancy, I'll make somethingup in my head or I'll start doing
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something like be anxious, and thenall of a sudden, I don't know
why I'm feeling anxious or nervous orwhatever, and I don't feel any of
those things. So I mean,I've also been thinking, like, man,
I just be bored, But it'snot like I feel like bored is
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not the right word. Vacancy ismore accurate in the sense of like I'm
not doing anything that I know I'mnot I'm not supposed to do, so
I'm just waiting for the time tohappen, and I'm waiting for the birth
to happen. But I'm like twiddlingmy thumbs like okay, here, I
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am just waiting, trying not tolike spies out or costs, unwarrantage stress.
But it's a delicate balance. Yeah, I think it is a delicate
balance. And chatting carefully here becauselike I'm starting to appreciate more. I
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have to just talking tomorrow about thistonight, like thirty minutes ago. But
um, one of the things that'sbeen like only heavy. It's just an
appreciation for the beauty that is youas a woman and me as a man
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and so and that appreciation is comingfrom a more understanding place where it's not
this assumption that because we're humans,we're going to think or addressing it's the
same way. But actually there's beautyand the differences because we've been given different
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but equal demanding and so I wantto preface we all I'm about to say
with that, but I believe thatpart of that is you. You've never
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been used to like doing nothing oreven the feeling of that I'm not being
a value And for you, who'syou know, pregnant, and it's like
get the pregnancy. It's like anature at this point, you've been pregnant,
you know, for a consistent partof the last four years, and
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when you get to like these pointswhere you can't quite do what you would
normally do anymore, and it reallyis a waiting game and it's like best
that you do less and more.That's when you like get into this kind
of like moved this mode. Andwho knows if we're gonna have another child,
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that's up to God. But whatI do believe, what we believe
is everything happens on purpose. Andlike I think like during this time,
little did you know, like you'veinspired me and helped me so much,
Like and what you're reading or whatyou're listening to, what you share with
me, like it's it's honestly,I couldn't ask for a better partner.
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Um and you wouldn't be in thishalf special if he wasn't pregnant. And
so I feel like you've been betterthis time than you've ever been the last
three pregnices. Managing this time umso uncutigue, but continue lating into it,
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be encouraged and whatever it is Godhas you doing during this time,
it's enough. It's more than enoughand whatever it's not. Godn't make that
up because it's not up to usanyway. Like how in mind if you,
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you know, started to start tocut it off sooner every day,
Like now, I feel like youhave to push bush bush because you are
being more valuable than you could everimagine. Even our conversation earlier, I
don't know if you're partnering Meece too. Earlier was a case of our differences
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being loud versus our differences being notcelebrated, not tolerable, on the word,
but on display in its best form. Because what I heard was the
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man's fact and the woman's feelings,and neither are wrong, but they're just
the beauty of my fact being emptywithout your feelings and your feelings having no
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place without my fact. And there'sso much beauty and that that can easily
be taken taken, not taken advantageof, but skipped over, overlooked.
Yeah, I agree for me rightnow, you know, Just with all
that being said, it's just likein a very heightened emotional time, So
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I am more sensitive and more justtouchy right now than you know normal phy
physically, Like I'm just hormonal andinsexy first, like you know, you
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remember, okay, she has abunt right now, y'all, And just
some history about us. Right whenshe would put her hair in this this
this like gently messy bun. Shehad a baby hair scooped on the side.
I would just be like, yo, that woman riding especially, I
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mean like when when that was thecase, Like I've always adored you,
but I feel like that was atime where where an Oregon, there's nobody
else around us, like where youknow, by most people's standards. Yeah,
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just started talking about it like shedid here in the air. She
moved across the country. But likethose things made me, you know,
drawing closer to you. The curlybune, like that whole vibe, that
like that whole you know time likethe curly bones is just like the visual
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I have of that time period,like we were traveling the world and just
it was just us like Oriana orianasin New York. Um and yeah it's
just and when you cut your hair, like last year, we are you
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talking about when I chopped chopped yeah, after Micah. So okay, so
it's a many years since you couldput your hair in the butt. Okay,
So my mom went to a whole. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
That's one thing I can't really dowith my short hair. Mhm's wearing
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in a bun. But like thatthat I don't know, like that look
it reminds me of like that jade. But I like the look and feeling
of this jade now because it justadds so much more. I mean,
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you are so sixy right now.Like seriously, it's like, wow,
I guess this is what happens whenwe shoot at night because I'm clearly yo,
my baby is I mean, yeah, I won't anyway up. Yeah,
I have a little bit from earlierstill on. Yeah, but like
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you know, that's how I like, I don't know, that's right,
y'all. This is why we havethree kids, four kids? Okay,
because she just wow wow. Butno, like I said, all as
to say, in a time wherejust our differences are used to create even
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more unity, and you hear conversationsof you know, men doing this,
women doing that, and why wedon't do that and why you can when
if there's no other place to hearthe reverence that we have for the way
God created this, the way thathe created us, the ways that a
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conversation like yesterday can make me gooff to myself and just like reflect and
see understanding and and not allow mymy ego or pride to get in the
way of what God wants to sharewith me, regarding it and appreciate and
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lean into like who you are,not who are um mold you into or
any of that, but like whogot created Jay Gobbo to be Thank you,
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I love you, love me tooand gave me you thank you because
it's stretching me and Mark I bollneeds it. Yeah you do. I'm
just kidding. But I'm not kidding. But but you're growing, babe,
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and I appreciate that. I appreciateyou being able to articulate yourself the way
that you do because I know thatthat's rare for men, and I think
it's important that we share that partof it. Like it's not it's not
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like you're any different than most guys. But what has happened is that through
us being honest and like growing togetherand really being vulnerable and like not you
know, taking our relationship for granted, but being able to say, like,
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Okay, if she's saying this,then maybe it's something I should change.
Or if he's saying this, maybethis is something I should be more
mindful of. And in so manyways, I mean that's helped me too,
because you help me not be sowrapped up in my emotions where I
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can't think logically anymore. Like Imay have a moment of that, but
it's far from where I used tobe. And you've been able to see
that over all these years, andI appreciate that because I do feel like
I have like a clarity over myselfand who I am now that I don't
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think I could have without you beinglike that mirror to show me myself in
these different like scenarios of conflict andlike just clashing, because we do have
a flow that we usually operate in, and so when we come out of
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that flow and we're clashing, it'slike, okay, hold on, why
are we clashing? And before Ithink it was easy to always feel attacked,
but sometimes it's not an attack.It's just a matter of like,
Okay, get back to like whatare we actually saying, and don't mix
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your emotions in it, because theemotion is what's clouding your ability to like
hear. Because I think about somany other times where we've been fighting or
we've had seasons where we just foughtall the time, and I remember feeling
like I literally don't understand what you'retalking about or what you're saying. Like
it was like I could not understandyou're speaking English, but I cannot understand
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what you're saying. And it's becausewhen you can't calm yourself down to a
point to like not allow your emotionsto cloud your ability to listen to each
other, then things just sound likegibberish. But the more that we've gone
through those seasons and gotten through thoseconflicts and actually like learned from them,
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it's like trained up that muscle oflike, Okay, if we're clashing right
now, we can talk through it, but like there's got to be a
point of like okay, redirection orlike a pausing, like we had to
step away earlier because it was justI started feeling a type of way and
there was no coming back from thatat that point because I'm talking in my
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emotions, not that that's wrong inthat in that space, because sometimes you
just can't, you know, comeout of it instantly. I'm still human,
but you were trying to come straight, factual, straight logic, and
I'm like I can't. We're notspeaking the same language anymore, right now.
That's that's beautiful though, because thatis the way that we were created
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to operate. And instead of itbeing like always like bang bang bang bang
bang, it's like, okay,well, god, God, I didn't
mean it that way, Like that'snot like what I was trying to say,
but I felt like it was whatI was supposed to say, and
and it was, you know,theologically sounding all of the above, and
it's like, put my dog.He was coming from how she felt about
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it, and you can telling thestory that she told, and you can
telling like the emotion that she had. That's how I created her, and
I would be wise to handling withcare, just like he does. And
I feel like oftentimes in those scenarios, especially in our past, I mean
like you brought up who we usedto be and like it's wild because I
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never think about that, and whowe are today honestly feels so far from
that, like because we are willfight like a few times a week.
Yeah, And it was just likeoftentimes it was just like dumb stuff.
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It was almost feeling like in aseason that like, Dad, we're gonna
have to always have somebody gonna speeddown or break us up, because we
did at a time. That's howwe did. And it was just but
it never felt like fine. Italways felt like like something talking about and
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that used to really think think aboutit like that used to low key kind
of be a characteristic of our relationship. Like yeah, we didn't realize it.
But like when I was talking tot T one of our close friends,
this was maybe like a year ortwo ago now, but you know
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she's been around us since together asa couple since what twenty seventeen, and
this was like twenty twenty, twentytwenty one when we're having this conversation and
she had she made a comment likeof just talking about our growth and being
like yeah, because like you andMark used to like be at each other's
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show. And in that moment,like it didn't offend me, but it
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was more of a like recognition oflike, oh wow, like we were
not as buttoned up as maybe wethought we were, and we were both
coming from a position of like weare two good people, and two good
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people how to come together to createa good relationship. Yeah, And the
problem with that is with two goodpeople are coming to the table with two
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different expectations of each other and otherrelationship, something has to give because there's
not enough room for everything I wantand everything that I feel like it should
be in everything that you and bothfeeling strongly about that while because we're two
good people. Yeah, Yeah,And it's like I think people would be
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surprised if this is like the versionof us that you are being introduced to,
and like you don't know who wewere before, because I just think
about like going back to you know, having people on speed dial to break
us up, like we used toreally call on people like our parents or
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our spiritual mentors in those moments wherewe are going at it so much so
like we can't communicate, we can'tget past it. We're just like in
a tussle. And I think liketo a point, like people that we
called on, I wouldn't say ourspiritual mentors, because I don't I don't
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feel that's about them. I thinkthey always had faith in us as a
couple, but like I don't knowabout how my mom or your parents felt
how much faith they had in us. I think if we asked them,
they would say that they did havefaith in us. But there were moments
where I felt that they were worriedthat we weren't gonna make it. And
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maybe some of that was my own, you know, insecurity, but there
be times when they were like,y'all need to get it together because y'all
are like going at it and thisis like not okay. And it wasn't
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like abusive towards one another, butit was more of a I think the
two of us thought we were sogood that what we thought couldn't possibly be
wrong. And so when you havetwo people with type A personalities and lots
of confidence, budding heads like verymuch so though man and a woman.
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Yeah, so it's like we havethose those strongness in those two areas that
aren't speaking the same language. Yeah. So it was like like compounded on
top of each other. That's whyI think we can speak so truthfully to
why we chose God's Way because itwas the only thing that we could both
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agree on, and you and Idon't even want to agree on it in
the beginning. Really, most ofthat, I mean, our journey was
me fighting that concept because to partiallythe essence of even the memory I shared
earlier was like, you know,I grew up being challenged to think intellectually
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about how I make decisions, andthat trained me to be very decisive on
top of just already being very likefocused and independent and naturally, but to
also be an environments where I feltlike the smartest thing for me to do
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to protect myself, to take careof myself was to be decisive and know
what I want and go after whatI want and stand by what I believe.
To then be in a situation whereI'm being told your idea of marriage
is wrong, your idea of beinga wife is wrong, from somebody who
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ain't a perfect husband, not aperfect man. And again because we both
built up these identities of ourselves ofbeing like the good person, so like,
so much of that was just likeshaken burnt up because like we had
to. But also I think aboutthis stuff by people, yeah, very
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good people, yeah, which kindof ties even all the way back to
earlier. Like with God, it'slike fool proof, it's going to work.
It's for it, everybody around it. It is the way and good
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or being characterized or classified as goodin our own eyes, in the in
the world eyes, and you know, the public eyes does a means to
that letting you down. There's apath of that that that at some point
says, okay, it's I justhan't work. Yeah, like okay,
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something as it is. Yeah,and it's and it wasn't you know that
we didn't have the right intentions,Like we both have the right intentions,
but it wasn't until we decided toput that down and pick up God's way
that everything transformed. Yeah, sonow we can I mean because in end,
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like we we we have like examplesaround us even now, I mean,
we have healthy marriages around us.But everyone's got their stuff. So
it's not like we can say,well we just you know, read these
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specific books and talk to these specificpeople and they got us on the right.
No, this has been a trialand error, holy spirit driven and
realist surrendering. If I had experience, it's one thousand percent um God,
because like we also went through aseason in in This to where God stripped
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away our emergency contacts. Yeah andye people, Honestly, that's when everything
really turned out because it's like,Okay, we've started to lean on not
bad examples, not bad people,good stuff, give intentions, good examples,
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but we've started to lean on thatversus too much versus God. Yeah,
and then it became like us,me and you and God against everything
and everyone. Not because you know, anyone is insufficient or inadequate or whatever.
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It's actually, well, they're notGod, but it's the very opposite.
It's because everyone is inadequate, everyoneis not consistent, every everyone.
So we were starting to lean onpeople for support, for encouragement, for
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this, for that, when forthe very reason, you can't depend on
people the way that you can dependon God. And we learned in very
tough ways through different family issues thatpopped up and friendship issues that popped up
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over the last couple of years whereit really isolated us created opportunities for God
to just yeah, I'm taking allthese people out of your circle quote unquote
for a season because I need Ineeded to just be me and y'all.
You know, it's crazy to thatpoint, right, So in front of
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art good friends, my big brotherMario, he said this on a car.
He was like, people talk abouteverything Joe lost, like but knowing
did Joe get double back for eightlost? But Joe's also got a kind
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of wife that wasn't a witch becausehis wife, originally the wife to him,
Chause Gotta died and he was likeGod also providing her and his wife.
So there was nothing that was removedor taken away that God didn't bring
back once the process of getting toJoe, what he needed to get to
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Joe, what Joe needed to learn, what the God bulls needed to learn.
When that was up, he broughtpeople. He mended relationships even better
than they were before and much morehealthy ways and healthier ways. Yea.
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And all we have to do istrusting, yeah, quite literally, Yeah,
and trust that our obedience was goingto be all that it took for
the first time because we had spentall of our lives doing things our way,
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and you know, asking people's opinionsof stuff and taking into consideration how
people would feel and allowing those thingstoiles. Yeah, are you a doctor,
You've been mad for fifty years?You right here, it's like those
things are cool, right, butthose things are should be used to confirm
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what God has said that already putin your heart. If something feels you
know, off and again that's that'swhy you have to have personally a serious
conviction, sense of conviction and welcominga conviction of the Holy Spirit, and
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just knowing and being tapped into yourintuition as far as like you know,
okay, if somebody's telling me somethingand it offends me, being able to
quickly to decipher like okay, amI being offended because they're attacking me?
Or am I feeling offended because they'rereally saying something that's true. I just
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don't want to hear it. AndI've been suppressing that quite voice in my
heart that's been trying to tell methat, but I don't want to believe
that. So now that this personis coming and telling me the same thing,
now I'm extramad because I don't wantto change and I don't want to
actually accept that maybe I am theissue in this scenario or whatever it may
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be. And I think that likethat process of allowing the convictions to actually
penetrate through those seasons of like isolation, for us was like the hardest thing
because it was like, yeah,this is painful. It's painful to break
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down this ego and this pride thatyou've built up for all this time,
and even transparently even today, likeI was putting Mica to sleep, and
I've been just you know, kindof thinking about people that have been in
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our lives in the past, andjust like how I'm managing, you know,
just doing a heart check really moment, and I'm scrolling on social media
and I see somebody that we usedto be friends with, and I keep
scrolling, but part of me wantedto go back and look at their post,
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and I almost went back, butthen I stopped because my mind was
like, don't go back, becausethen you're going to teach the algorithm that
you want to see more of theirstuff, So like, don't go back.
But really, in my heart,it was like I felt tempted to
go back, and that's how Iknew, like, Okay, the enemy,
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he's trying to like get me caughtup in feeling like angry or bitter
or whatever. But then the HolySpirit said to me, like, you're
not better than her. You're notbetter than her, because what fleshly,
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what I wanted to do was golook at that post and compare and think
about all the different ways that I'mbetter than her, and my conscience was
like trying to soften it, like, well, you know, it's that's
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not that bad and it's you know, but no, Holy Spirit was like,
You're not better than her, sostop it. And that was what
finally like kind of broke this thingthat's been kind of like bothering me the
last few days, and that thisidea of like past friendships because I actually
filmed a video. By the timethis is up, I would have already
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posted it, but talking about likeex friends and friendships and how when I
see people that I not friends itwith anymore, and I feel that bitterness
or that pettiness in my heart,like I like genuinely will pray for them,
And in this moment, I didnot want to pray for her.
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Every other time it's been a littlebit easier because I kind of just like
go straight into the prayer and likelet it go and keep you it.
But I was stuck in it inthis moment. And then that's when you
know, I think that you know, God will press your heart to pray,
because that's when he what it meansto like pray in the spirit,
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Like you can pray whenever you wantto, obviously, like you're supposed to
pray consistently and constantly, but there'sother times when God is like pressing it
on your spirit to pray. AndI didn't feel a pressing on my spirit
to pray. It was more ofa like pressing of like I'm about to
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go in a bad direction and theHoly Spirit had to like convict me and
tell me something versus me trying totell God something. And so yeah,
I just those are the types ofthings that like I've gotten used to now
because I recognize that that is partof maturing, and I appreciate the maturing
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and the discipline because I know it'sbringing me closer to God, it's getting
me to be a better person andall these things. But it doesn't remove
of the fact that, like itfeels a yucky because there's still parts of
me that tries to compare and contrastmyself out of habit to other people.
(40:12):
And then just in the nature oflike what I do, you know,
that's so much a part of howI used to operate, in what I
do is like looking at what's outthere, finding a niche, feeling a
void. But in order to decipherthose things, I used to use my
(40:35):
own ways of thinking and doing todecide what kind of content am I going
to do? What are people searchingfor? What are people asking for?
Instead of purely creating content that I'veled to create and I'm called to do
regardless of what else is going onon social media. And I've always kind
(41:01):
of like played in this pool ofthat my whole entire career of like,
sometimes I'll be called and answer thecall and I'll post something that I know
that like something in my spirit toldme to post this, and then it
goes crazy. And then other timesI'm posting stuff because well, other people
(41:21):
that I do, the type ofcontent that I do, they post this
type of stuff, so like,let me post that too to make sure
that I'm you know, and Idon't think that that's necessarily all bad,
but part of it is, like, but it's not our standard, yeah,
(41:46):
And that's what's different is that we'redifferent now, And so like I'm
hypersensitive to only doing things that Ifeel called or led to do and not
falling back into this like comparing andcontrasting mode. But it's also like I'm
(42:09):
always going to be convicted about somethingbecause we will always be imperfect quote unquote
like with flaw until the end ofall of this. So I'm not,
you know, trying to get toa place where I'm just completely you know,
(42:30):
sinless. Obviously I want to be. I want to, but I'm
trying to. I understand that's thegoals. But what I'm saying is I'm
not I'm not beating myself up tryingto do things to get there. I'm
I'm more so following the path whereI'm being led and being quick to handle
(42:53):
myself gently the way that God handlesmyself gently when I do step off of
path or when i do feel convictedabout something, because I'm still learning,
I'm still growing, and that's justwhat repents us for Jesus tells us to
be perfect events your Father in heavenis also perfect. That just means we're
(43:14):
aiming for that. And when wefall short, because we're aiming for that,
God's grace is sufficient for that.That's why we're here to live,
you know, a life of repentanceto continue that because that is our goal.
Are going to our mission. Whatwe're here to do is to not
move like the world. Our intentionsare to be lights and it lights.
(43:38):
There's no darkness otherwise it can't belike so yeah, like, that's where
we hold ourselves, that's where Godsees us as his children. That's how
we identify it as children of Godand know we won't be with our flaw
ever until we're with Him. Butthat's showing me our goal. Mark and
(44:01):
I hope you enjoyed today's episode.It's truly a pleasure to be a part
of your day. Keep up withus on social media, but also feel
free to email us at team atthe guiboatlife dot com if you got any
prayer requests or questions that we couldanswer until next time, Chat soon. Bye.
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