cHriStianiTy is a jOkE and cHurChes are tHe cIrCus pt. 2🤡 😈

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All right, Nathan, We're back from the break, so I
want to get into some big.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Stats, you know, overall stats.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
On you know, how much money is going out, how
much they're saving, how much they're giving whatever, whatever statistics
you want to share, and then I want to go
through specific.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Examples of.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Who you've seen with you know, inside the corruption, through
all your research. So we'll start with the big stats.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, so the religion business looks at the nonprofit sector
as a whole, right, And like I said, we go down.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
To the legal architecture. We talked about some history there.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
About one point five trillion a year is given by
individual donors to nonprofits.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
One point five trillion trillion with a T. That's just
individual donors.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Individual donors does not include government grants.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
So this is far bigger than the US military, and
it's kind of a black box. No one knows where
that money goes. So it proves one thing in particular.
Americans are really generous people, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
So these are this is one point five trillion.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
These are people inside the congregation, people that are going
to the church, that are just donating.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Every week, the nonprofit sector as a whole. So let's
dial it down. So Christians global Christians give about a
trillion dollars a year to their churches. Six hundred billion
comes from America, So about six hundred billion is given
every year to Christian churches about five hundred billion is
given every year to nonprofits via American Christians. So you're

(02:46):
looking about one point one trillion in American giving, and
then add another four hundred billion on top of that
to global Christianity. Because I'm interested in people, like in
the religion business, we look at the nonprofit sector and
then a lot of people go, Nathan, why are you
attacking or just looking at Christianity? And I say, well,
I'm looking at Christianity because I hold my faith to

(03:08):
the highest standard.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
I don't care about Islam and I don't care about Buddhism.
I care about my faith.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
So at trillion dollars a year is given by Christians
Christian institutions. Another five hundred billion is given by Americans
to nonprofits here in the US. So it's a massive
pile of money. So where does that money go? About
forty four cents of every dollar that you give to
a church goes straight to salaries. Today forty four cents

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forty four cents of every dollar just goes straight to salaries,
twenty five cents goes to just buildings, and then only
six cents of every dollar ever even leaves the institutional
walls to go to the causes that Christ told us
to support the needy, the sick, the hungry, of thirsty.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Not even six percent of all donations.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Let's just what were the numbers on Christianity again, bet
Or just going to the church?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
A trillion, one trillion dollars globally.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Globally six hundred billion.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Nationally, and only six percent of that goes to charity.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well, it's untraceable, So this is this is voluntary data given.
So remember there's no nine nineties that church's file, so
you don't know what they give. So six percent is
kind of like the best potential outcome because they're giving
you that information or they're giving me statticians this information.
And so that's not six percent creating impact down the

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value chain. So that's not six cents of every dollar
helping that orphan in Africa or that you know cripple
in hunters. No, no, no, that's just six cents making it
outside the walls. And usually what's happening now, because one
thing I want to touch on is these terms auxiliaries,
like we talked about with the LDS church. Then you
also have convention in association and so a lot of

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times now it's just a church passing off that six
percent to another business that they own.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
So we don't even know if it's leaving.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Is what would these these businesses could be anything, anything, auxiliary.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
So basically what we're seeing now is in the last
twenty five years, churches have become businesses.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
They're you know, smart entrepreneurs, I tip my hat to them,
or starting to take over churches, and they're seeing the
opportunity to literally build conglomerates. So like, let's say, Chris,
my business partner has a nonprofit, a secular nonprofit that
files a nine ninety. It works in the mental health space,
and he and I are good buddies. I run Nathan's Church.
It's massive, and I say, hey, Chris, why don't we

(05:43):
bring your secular nonprofit under the fold of Nathan's church
and that church that business. Now your business is a
church and you no longer have to file nine nineties.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
And the excuse is, oh, man.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
That frees us up from paperwork and you know, from
from the government, from a big brother looking down on us.
But what it also does is turn that organization completely dark.
And so churches now are starting to acquire businesses and
bringing them under their fold. And then just because those
businesses are wrapped into my church, they all become churches themselves.

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And so now I can give six cents to Chris's
church and say look at all the or Is business
which is now a church, and say look at all
the good work we're doing. And so I can also
take a salary from Chris's.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Business now and no one ever knows about it.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
And so that's what we're seeing in organizations like ARC
and these church planting organizations, is their whole strategy is
to teach you how to grow your business, how to
grow your church. You're not here to save your souls. Yeah,
of course we're here to save souls, Sean. But their
tagline is launch large. We want you to launch big,
which means you need to soundstage, you need the big

(06:52):
flashy lights, you need people in your seats. So we're
going to teach you how to do that, and then hey,
you can also start starting these other businesses.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
These are still.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I mean, mama goes to I don't know why, but
it goes. I mean a lot of these guys have
private jets. A lot of them have more than one
private jet, you know, and I don't I don't even
know who.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
We're talking about it. But you know there's the one
guy that's.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Got the kind of Copeland is a great example.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Runway behind his house. Four jets.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I mean, So is that you know how it works
with these guys? You know, and I'm not just business
in general, is by private jet a yacht, you charter
it out, you use it when you need it. Obviously,
one person doesn't need four private jets, you know what
I mean? So, is that what they're doing. They're they're
launching a jet rental business that was all picked. So

(07:45):
they're already taxed free from buying the jet, right correct,
Then then they rent the jets out to their corporations
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
I don't I don't see much.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Well, yeah, that'd be an example, could be, but and
I know I've heard of people do that. That's their
excuse for the private jet is hey, we're actually going
to make money with it.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
But I see that as an excuse.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Like there's this thing that we profile on the show
called long term ministry or i'm sorry, long distance ministry.
And a pastor will find an excuse and open a
church one thousand miles, two thousand miles three thousand miles
away from his main church, and then.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
He goes, I need a jet because I have to
go preach the gospel.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
And it's again it goes back to that biblical premise
of what is a church, Like You're here to make
disciples of men and run your ministry, which is your family.
Everything else is just man building layers on top of
Christ's message like Christ and say you need to fly
like this guy needs a private jet to fly over there. Instead,

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the Bible says to build and exhort Christians, raise up.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Christians like you, Sean. And this is the kicker.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
The whole point of a shepherd of a pastor, because
pastor translates to shepherd, is to raise up his flock
and then send them out. So if the biblical form
of churches, I am here to if you came to
my church, whatever that be a home church, a megachurch,
my entire biblical goal is to steward you in the

(09:16):
faith and grow Sean to where Sean goes, I'm ready
to leave.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
I'm going to go start my own That's the point
of the church. But man, what a bad business practice
because you are my money. So no, I'm not going
to send you out.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I need you here, Sean, I need you here building
this this machine that we built, this business that needs you.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
But God didn't tell you to build a building. He
told me to build a body.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
And so those private jets are all excuses over here
in the business side. And they'll point to the Bible
and find a random obscure verse to justify it, and boom,
that jet is justified.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
They'll try to raise twenty million bucks or whatever.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
But all of that again, I'm going to go back
to this Christ set it multiple gospels.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
He goes, you've taken traditions of men.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
So he said this in the temple, you've taken traditions
of men, and you've called it doctrine. And what he's
saying is your culture, as he's standing there in the
temple two thousand years ago. Your culture is not doctrine.
It is not the Word of God. This is just culture.
But you're calling it doctrine. And we're doing it again.
This business over here is church.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
No, it's just culture. This is doctrine. The true body
of believers is doctrine. That is culture.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And planes are thrown into that housing, allowances are thrown
into that lump everything. All the loopholes that we profile
are nothing but culture.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Man, what do keep going? I want to hear more examples. Actually,
I have a question. Yeah, you know, maybe you're familiar
with this, maybe or not, but I've always heard the
Christmas that the birth of Christ was actually in October,
in early October.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Have you heard this?

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I've heard that, yeah, and that the church made it
December twenty fifth and brought up Santa Claus and all
this other stuff to bring more people in for the money.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Is there any truth behind it?

Speaker 5 (11:07):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
That's not my wheelhouse.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
One of our good mentors, very wise man, he goes, Nay,
then there's this so what pile and he goes, you
have to pick your lane, and then everything else is
so what? And like that to me, like if I
would assume christ birth was not December twenty fifth, you know,
and so it's like it's just so what, Like we

(11:30):
want to celebrate his birth just like we want to
celebrate his resurrection.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
I get that. So yeah, so what I could the date?

Speaker 5 (11:37):
To me?

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I don't have the time or the energy to research that.
I have heard that, but I can't speak to it as.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
A Okay, there's some stuff with the Easter or too.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Oh yeah, well Eastern buddies you know about this. Yeah,
let's do it educate me.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Well, well you got to. Well, I don't know much
about it, but I've heard, so what what have you heard?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Man? I don't even know how to how to organize
it into something that I can articulate.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
But it has to do with, you know, the the
symbolism of the Easter bunny and all of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Oh, I haven't heard.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
I just think the Easter bunny is again, it's all
about money, right, It's like the fact that churches. I
went to a church where they had a helicopter fly
over and rain Easter eggs down on the kids.

Speaker 5 (12:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I'm like, where in the Bible could you point to
that this is even remote remotely Christian?

Speaker 4 (12:26):
You know? My guess is it goes probably back to
some pagan holiday, because most most things have to do
with pagan holidays, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
But yeah, I don't know much about like if Easter
and what the bunny symbolizes.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, but we'll get into that another.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Time, another time. Let me do some research, give me
a little time, and I'll come back with all that.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Heat, all right, some more examples. Well, yeah, so on.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Another big loophole is it's called in yearmint. So this
is a legal term that the IRIS puts forward and
it's no part of and this is what gives you
five oh one C three status. So I'm gonna buy memory,
repeat the definition of inurement, and then I'm gonna throw
examples out. And I want to know if this is

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in yourman or not. No part of the net earnings
of a five oh one C three may go to
benefit any of the founders, founder's family, shareholders or stakeholders.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
That is in your men. That is illegal.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
So no part of the net earnings of a five
O one C three may an you're to the benefit
of any private shareholder, founder, the founder's family, anybody in leadership. Basically,
so you can take a salary, but you cannot use
the net earnings to benefit yourself.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Is a private plane in your men?

Speaker 6 (13:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Is it what inerement?

Speaker 7 (13:51):
Inurement meaning, So to injure yourself means you're using the
net earnings of that five H one C three to
benefit yourself, not the mission of the not the mission
of the charity.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
So is a private plane in yourman?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I think there are examples where it could be. I'm
sure that the majority of it is not.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Okay, is a yacht now, okay, it's not in your ment.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
No, it's it's that would that would be for personal purpose?

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Okay, So it is in your mean.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
So inuring is if you injure yourself with with the
with the money I give you, that means you are
you're using it for personal You're using it for personal gain.
So so private yachts would be in yourman. How about
you and your buddies start a conference and you all
meet up and you just kind of go on a
ski trip for a week, and then you check the

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box that hey, we met for three hours to talk
about something for the week.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, that would in your right.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
And and the reason why I'm going down this waterfall is,
how about, hey, Sean, you're a good looking dude who's camera.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
A lot back.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
You're welcome. You need a clothing allowance.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I'm gonna pay you, or that you're gonna take a
fifty thousand dollars year clothing allowance.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Is that inuring yourself?

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Okay, So these are the slippery slopes that in Phil
Hackney at the Irs. He says, it too.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
He goes, it's really hard for us to be able
to find what inurement is because technically, I would say
you have a more sane approach to inurement than most pastors.
But hey, I'm a pastor, very successful. I think I
need a private jet and on paper, I'm gonna prove
why I'm gonna fly to the church is my favorite one.
I'm gonna fly to the church I just built in

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the Caymans. It cost me thirty grand. The fuel in
my jet's gonna cost.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Me fifty to get there, you know, so I outspent
the whole build on this church in this durable country
just with fuel alone. But I need that plan to
get there.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
You know what, a lot of people Sean are looking
at me on stage. I need to look good, so
that fifty is valued. Hey, you know what, dot yacht,
that's where I witness to other pastors. I take them fishing.
We go deep sea fishing, man, Sean, You're gonna really
meet God out on that water, I promise you, and
you're gonna land a marlin at the same time. And

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that's how they justify it. And so our argument is
most of the way these big pastors.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
In particular, using money is in your men.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
They're building their brand on top of the generosity of donors,
and those donors are getting to expand the mission of
that church or that nonprofit. But I am building my
brand off the back of it, if that makes sense.
So it's so like a good book sales. This is
my favorite one. And most of these pastors use ghostwriters.

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And I've talked to lots of the ghostwriters. Most of
the pastors use ghostwriters, so they don't even write the
book really, they'll read it and scan through it and
make a couple of notes. They slap their name on it.
They put a title on it, and man sean awesome.
If I was on that New York Times bestsellers list, well,
good news. I have a megachurch, and so we're gonna
buy twenty thousand copies of the book right when it

(17:09):
comes out. So I use donut dollars, I use tithe
money to buy my books, and it immediately puts me
on the New York Times Bestsellers list. It's gonna sit
in the basement of the church for a while, but
don't worry. We'll give it away as free gifts to
new people.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
That come.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
So I have officially inured myself because now the church
is buying my books, I'm on the best seller's list,
I get to launch my brand, and no one's the wiser.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
And all these little scams are happening in the background.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
And so Kenneth Copeland is a prime example of inurement.
Kenneth Copeland is the guy you've seen the video before
where the female news anchor corners him on the runway
and she walks up to him and she's asking him
about the private jets and he gets in her face
and he goes like this, have you seen that one?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Is this the guy that he looks like a demon?

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
And he says, I can't fly. I have to fly
private because I can't have D in the tube with me.
So he's calling people demons. That's Kenneth Copeland. And so
we we we had a great showdown on his property.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
It's in the series and so what happened?

Speaker 3 (18:12):
So he has a nineteen thousand square foot parsonage. A
parsonage is a house owned by the church, so it's
bottom paid for by donor dollars and type givers and the.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Pastor can live there.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
The purpose of this is hey, back in the day,
clergy would live on site, right that that door would
be open twenty four hours a day for someone to
come in get prayer, you know in the Catholic world,
you know, repent. And so that pastor would need to
be on site all the time. And so they would
build what's called a parsonage right next to the church,

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so the pastor could live in this very modest house
that's usually attached physically to the church. Well over over
decades and just through precedent, that parsonage has been pulled off,
and so the church which will pay for the parsonage
of the pastor. So the parsonage is owned by the church,
but the pastor can live in it. There's no stipulation
on how big that parsonage can be, how extra extravagant

(19:11):
it can be. So Kenneth Copeland has a nineteen thousand
square foot parsonage on the lake on his church property,
his church property.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
So this is the story about Kenneth. Kenneth what most
people don't know, was a struggling musician back in the day.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
He became a pilot and started flying Oral Roberts around.
Oral Roberts is like og evangelist. He's like one of
the first old school big boys in the space, similar
to frank Off Billy Graham. And so the story goes
that Kenneth Copeland was flying over Texas and saw this
runway next to this lake, and God gave him this

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vision that he was going to buy this whole parcel
and turned it into a church and turned it into
what he calls the revival Capital of the world.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Lashboard.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
He creates this marketing pitch starts his church and back
in the day, in the sixties and seventies, mailers were
super popular, and so you know, you'd mail, you'd get
a mailing list, you'd mail fifty thousand envelopes out and say, hey, Sean,
give me ten bucks. This is Nathan, his pastor, Nathan,
I need ten bucks to help you spread this message.

(20:20):
We have his mailer from the seventies and he promised
to build six things, he said, and in this pitch,
God gave me the vision to buy this runway. I'm
going to build a radio station, a TV network, ministry facilities,
Kingdom Park, which is which was an extravagant partner for
his church goers. In his tithe payers, an elderly community.

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So once you retire, you'll be able to retire on
the church property and in your rooms. They would pipe
in Kenneth Copeland's TV network, so you could watch Kenneth
Copland preach the gospel twenty four seven a day, and
then elder and you were home.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
And then a hotel for guests to come and enjoy
the lake.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
So he sent that pitch out, raised tens of millions
of dollars. He ever, only built three out of the
show's three three of the things he promised to build.
One was the radio station, two is the TV network, three.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Was the ministry facilities.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
He never built the three things that people would donate
money for. I would want to use the park, I
would want to use the hotel. Maybe one day I'd
want to retire in that facility. He never built anyone
any of them. In the for profit world, that would
be called fraud. He would be in jail. In the
religious world.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
We call it faith. May you got to have faith.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
So in the interim, he buys sixteen hundred acres on
this lake in Texas, He builds the ministry facilities, he
builds the radio and TV networks, and.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Then a gentleman a builder.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
A developer was like, hey, this bottom part of your
sixteen hundred acres is prime for development. So he peels
off four hundred of the sixteen hundred acres and sells
it to a developer. So there is a housing development
there today. It's not for the elder than though, and
he made money off that deal. He just went back
to his church. In the meantime, an I can't remember

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the gentleman's name he put. He drills oil, started going
to the church and he's like, hey, you own the
mineral rights of this land, let's start pumping oil.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
So they've been.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Pumping oil for decades and no one knows how many
tens of millions of dollars have been made off the
oil because it's.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
All this guy's all of it.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
It's all called a church. And so flash forward now
he's an older guy.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Or the oil business falls under the church.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
The church owns the oil business.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
So he has his private two private run ways, he's
got his ministry facilities. He peeled off four hundred acres
to a for profit development. He's got his oil platforms,
and at the very bottom of the lake are the
property near the lake he started building this nineteen thousand
square foot parsonage and now he lives in it. No
one's ever been there before, so no one knows what
it looks like.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Pastors have but like no public, nobody like you and
I have ever been there.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
So that nineteen thousand square foot parsonage word is from
an informant that basically Copeland has epstein tons of pastors.
So there was an electrician back in the day that
wired cameras and audio recording devices into every guest room
in that nineteen thousand score foot parsonage. And so if

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you have pastors so afraid of their rivals, so they're blackmailing.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
He's blackmailing.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, gotta get dirt on people. How did you come
across this information through our pis.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, every single guest room.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
And the guest rooms in a parsonage owned by the
church is wired tapped video and audio to basically archive
dirt on people staying with you.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Whe ever seeing the footage, no.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Because no one can ever get to the house.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
Man.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Wow, Wow, it's not as things aren't as it seems.
So I had the thought that, hey, I want to
see the parsonage, so I start giving money to his
church and I'm like, the church owns that house, no
one's seen it, so I want to see it. So
a YouTuber named Tommy g and I I start going

(24:27):
to his church and we're like, okay. I get a schematic,
a big print out of his property because it's huge.
I tracked the roads, you know, get a visual on it,
and there's one open gate from rain runoff that couldn't close,
and it went from a parking lot to this dirt
road and so I could see it on the map
and I'm like, that's our end. We're just gonna stood.

(24:47):
I'm gonna open gate and see where it leads us,
and we're gonna try to get to the house. So
this is in the show. We go to service.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Ironically, everybody, all these pastors know me.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
So as soon as I sit down, there's three security
go around me like with their earpieces and sit through
part of the service. I get up and leave and
Tommy walks out and we meet at the cars and
we just start driving. So we get on this dirt road,
we go over this open fence and boom, we're fifty
yards from his runway.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
But there's a gate closed and I'm like, shoot, I
got nowhere to go.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Man.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
We pull up to the gate just opens, and I'm like, well,
this is God. So we're doing this. So we get
onto the runway. So now it's.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Something out of what's that, you know, it's something out
of an action movie. We've got two cars flying.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Down a runway now and I'm like, okay, we're.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Gonna make a hard right here. And this is all
on the show. And there's another gate and boom that
gate opens too, and so now we're like three quarters
the way to his house. No one's been down here before,
no one's ever seen footage of this. And I'm a
big bow hunter.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
And so as I'm driving through this property, it's all
high fenced, so it's ten to twelve foot fences.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
I start seeing bucks everywhere the deer and I'm like,
this is his own hunting ground. And sure enough, we
pull up to his house and there's one final gate
and he has this massive deer stand and I'm like,
this pastor has his own high fenced hunting ground on
his property, on the church property that no one can
see use what they pay for. So we pull up

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to the fence and there's a keypad. So I'm like
we're not getting through this one.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
And now I'm two hundred yards from the house so
we can see it. So we put drones in the air.
We're having fun.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
No one's ever been here and so there's no security.
And so I call the front desk of the church
because I'm like, well, like we're kind.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Of stuck here now. So I call the front desk
and I can't remember the guy's in. Abraham. This nice
guy named Abraham answers and he's like, this is Abraham.
How are you doing Nathan? And I said, WHOA, how
do you know this is Nathan?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
And he goes, we have your number you've been giving
to us, and so they're just a refined call center
and I'm.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Like, okay, awesome. He's like, what would decks do? Would
you like to give money or would you like prayer?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
And I'm like, well, I got a random request, like
we're sitting at the gate of Kenneth's house, like.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I'd love to meet the pastor. And he's like here
what And I'm like I'm at the gate, like we're
down here. We made it through two gates, we were
on the one.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
And I tell him the whole story and he goes,
please hold. He just puts me on hold, and there's
some hymn music in the background.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
We sit there for thirty minutes and I'm like, no
one believes that we actually made it here, so let's
just head back to the runway.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
So we drive back to the runway and we just wait.
I'm like, if we just sit on the runway, someone's
going to see us. So we just sit on.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
This open runway and sure enough, within five minutes, boom,
two private security guards come or cars come drive and
by park next to us.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
They're professionals, like after Ed Young's experience, like I know
private security and I know professional security and then just
like straight cowboys and these guys are professionals. So they
come up and they're like, you know, what are you doing?
And I'm like, hey, we just have a couple questions
about the parsonage. We tried to, you know, get there,
but we couldn't get there. And we're having a cordial
conversation and out of nowhere, we just hear this f

(27:58):
one fifty comes screeching up on us. And this dude
jumps out and he looks like John Ridder.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
From the movies.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
So he comes like flying up to all where he's
almost hits us a couple of feet from us, and
he gets out and tears his glasses off and he
opens his jacket and he walks up to us. He's like,
you out of here now, and he flashes this badge
and he pulls his shirt open and he's got his
like a pistol like nhind or something sitting there in
his pants.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
And luckily Tommy G has been through this enough and
he goes, let me.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
See that badge, and the guy goes, no, get out
of here now, and he goes normal, I want to
see your badge, and this guy grabs both of us
so assault and starts shoving us to the cars, and
right then the professional security is like whoa.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
So they grab John Ritter.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
And they throw him against his truck and they're like,
get out of here.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
And it turns into this funky altercation.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Come to find out he is kend of this private
security like main security guy.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
And again I'm respectful, and so cops show up. There's
kind of this and off, and we're like, hey, we
just have questions about the financials.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
No one's willing to talk. You know, that parsonage is
paid for by the congregants. No one's ever been here,
no one's ever seen it, like at least someone should
be able to look at it. And the cops are like, hey,
can you guys please leave in the private securities, like
can you guys just leave? And we're respectful, We're like, okay,
but we'd love to talk to someone. So flash forward
a couple days. We find out that Cowboy Security is

(29:24):
Kenn's private security and they fire that guy has traveled
around the US to churches.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
He gets hired and fired over and over again. It's
just his moo. But so another major loophole is these
partes parsonages. You could do whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
David Taylor, who was just arrested by the FBI yesterday
twenty six or twenty eight thousand, you know square foot
home in Tampa, Florida. You know, that's just one. He
has about twenty eight million in real estate. And so
just with the loopholes, you can do whatever you want.
And again you're asking for money, whether that be through
high thing or generosity from vulnerable people who are there,

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you know, to be prayed on and loved on.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
And these guys just build empires in the name of Jesus.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Do you think they're preaching anything that is I mean,
what do you think about their teachings?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
And again this is garbage like like I mean, like
when I was there, it was after Trump got shot
in the ear, and he had a photo of Trump
up behind him on the big screen and he literally said,
God gave Trump as our savior, you know, and then
he believes that the crab.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
So this is a great story.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
So in two thousand and seven, or it might have
been two thousand and eight, the Congress was looking at
some really bad players. So our boys in Texas, the
Trinity Foundation had made a big enough stink, and so
Congress was starting to look at prosperity gospel preachers and
the worst players.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
And it led by Senator Grassly and Benny Hen. If
you know who Benny Hen is Magature's pastor.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
He's the guy that whips you with your with his
coat again you fall backwards. Benny Hin spent five million
dollars fighting the signal.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
Is possessed by spirit of irritation.

Speaker 9 (31:18):
If you just don't go like.

Speaker 7 (31:21):
That.

Speaker 10 (31:22):
Man is physically has been a physical assault and people
since the eighties, and people just found I'm like, let
me find out blasting.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Going inquiry at the time.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
So these these guys are hemorrhaging money to stop the
government from looking at their businesses. The stock market crashes,
the real estate market crashes, you know, the whole crash
of eight happens. Kenneth Copeland will say that that was
a gift from God, a miracle from God to get
the government off their back.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
God crashed the economy in two thousand and eight, so
the government's.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
Telling, get it.

Speaker 10 (32:05):
God caught the bubble, so he investigations, what the hell round?

Speaker 11 (32:13):
What I can't not Kennicope was in the.

Speaker 10 (32:21):
Bubble game, so Lord, but stop this investigation on him.
A god, he said it there Kennippa is the closet
and two thousand.

Speaker 12 (32:31):
And one days for pregnant, it was there.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
It was against Jesus.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
So that's the type of crap these guys preach from
the pulpit.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
And then his son in law while we were there,
was up on stage and it's in the show and
he goes, in difficult times, we prosper and we are
getting very prosperous.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
And he goes, the.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Purpose of prosperity is distributution. And in the show you
see this. He literally says it and just starts laughing
when he says distribution, and he catches himself and he's
like distribution because it's like, you're not distributing anything, you know,
you say you are. And they'll say on their website
they say, hey, we give ten percent the way we
asked her ten percent. We give ten percent away, but

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no one knows because there's no nine to ninety filed.
So it's whatever that leadership of that organization wants.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
To say, you have to take it as faith.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
And so Kenneth Copeland committed from he.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Wanted to build those six things. He promised investors he
would build those six things.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
He only ever built three and it was the three
he could benefit from. That is straight up from in
the for profit world. And yet he's on TV to
this day preaching, you know, whatever gospel he's preaching.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
You know, human beings are really good at justifying why
they're doing things, and they it's it's you see so
many people they trick their.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Own mind into justifying why they're doing what they're doing.
Do you think these people actually believe that they're doing good?
Or you do? I do?

Speaker 4 (34:11):
I think the majority of them, But I think they
have to write.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Dan Bramer in the show says, no one believes something
they think is stupid.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, seeh I mean, I don't know. I kind of
disagree with you all this because if they really truly
believed that they were doing good, then what will be
able with I mean, just out there on the brank
you told me, now one of these people have debated you,
have given you any evidence of good that they're doing.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
They haven't even spoken to you, right except the one
guy who.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Who who didn't speak to me, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Spoke to you for like five minutes. It said they'll
do it later.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, I'll point them. The books the Bible all point
to those scriptures. The blind lead the blind. And I
always use the analogy talk about tithing. I'd love to
talk about tithing in a little bit, but someone who
has tied their whole life so given.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Ten percent to their institution.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
And I think about the LDS Church a lot, because
they really do take advantage of the system. Is people
don't want to see their lifelong actions as silly almost,
if that makes sense, Like I put my hard earned
money into this machine and.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Like flip the whole world upside down. We were talking
about that at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
And so the mom like everything is backwards, and so like,
I do believe most of the I believe ed Young
in particular firmly believes he is in the right.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
I believe his lawyer, Dennis Brewer Junior firmly believes in it.
He's right.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
And the ironic part about the lawyer, dennisburg Junior, who
is the CFO and the legal count the General Council
for Fellowship Church, his dad was also.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
A lawyer for Kenneth Copeland.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
And so you have pastors passing down their knowledge to
their kids that take over their business.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
And then on the other side of the spectrum, you
have lawyers who protect these guys and pastors passing down
knowledge on how to beat the system as well to
their kids who become lawyers. So it's it's I don't
even know the analogy to but it's just corruption passing
you know, corrupt passing down corruption.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
It's generational.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, I mean if you think that they I mean,
if you think that they actually believe that they're doing good,
then why wouldn't they talk to you?

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Because this doesn't they give you the information that you
need to clear their their congregation, their name.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Because.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Now is the time I'm from to believe God is
working and now is the time for reform. And this
is where it was sixteen years of research and speaking
and listening to the most brilliant minds in the world.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
God is, I.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Believe, using me to bring the most brilliant minds in
the world together to present the argument.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
It's not me on the religious presenting this argument.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
I'm presenting it to you now because I'm regurgitating what
I've heard with these genius minds. But these minds have
never been brought together, and so to debate tithing would
mean they're gonna love. They've been presenting and misunderstanding the
scriptures on that for two hundred years, about two hundred
years now, pastors.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Have been preaching tithing. They didn't preach tithing before. So
that's what's so fascinating is their whole theology, which.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Is just the study of the scriptures, is off. And
so if you really look at it, I'm going to
tear you to shreds. You're not going to be able
to handle a discussion with me on tithing. And then
what happens as soon as your congregation sees you questioning
or can they they can question your ask for money.

(37:49):
It's a house of cards. Once you flick that one,
the whole thing callouses. And so that's why no one
will debate me. They'll sit and they'll fly around with
the private jets and make fun of me and make
funny memes of me with devile horne and call me
tmud Judas, which I think is pretty funny. That's kind
of my online name now is Tamo Judas. But it's
like it's because they can't debate me biblically, and so

(38:12):
they might have good intentions, but we always say good
intentions pave the way to help.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
And these guys, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Give them the benefit of the doubt, have great intentions
and they are rapidly paving the church to help, just
out there every Sunday. And I would call it a
false a false gospel.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Who says good intentions are the gayway to hell.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
We we say it in the show. I'd say it's
a very popular term, but we use it. We've used
it in the show. It's in our trailer. We've that's
been one of our mantras. Humans will human slow as
fast and good intentions pave the way to hell is
our our mantras.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Could you give any other examples of good intentions? Is
the gayway to hell?

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah? Man, I want to say, I'm gonna I'm gonna
use a church.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Man.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
I want to say souls. I want to present Christ.
Christ Is has saved me.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
You know, He is the way the truth in life
known gets to the Father, yahway except through him. And
I want to tell people about that. I had a
radical transformation. So I'm gonna go to seminary. That's a
good intention to go to seminary. Most seminaries today teach
you how to build the business. So that's the first
good intention of mine. That's paving my way. That's that's
that's laying out this road. And remember that MS thirt

(39:27):
team member, you got ten bad decisions till you murder someone.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
They why that is right?

Speaker 5 (39:55):
Absolutely no, No.

Speaker 12 (40:01):
For paull a lot.

Speaker 10 (40:03):
As a doctor, you are taught alive indigenally with the
hippocratic oath, as in I am here to preserve life,
which you know is a lot. That is not why
you got into the medical field, specifically a doctor who
got in there for the white coat and the money.

Speaker 8 (40:22):
That's it.

Speaker 12 (40:23):
We're gonna be honest.

Speaker 10 (40:25):
Now, the business part of it is, I mean, you
would only assume they would think that the core salary
is all their kind of gunning.

Speaker 12 (40:34):
Now they're gonna learn all the ends and outs.

Speaker 10 (40:36):
Want to get into a little white coat doctor club
and they're gonna learn, like listen, So this is how
this actually works. And that's like the intricacies of the
actual thing. But you know, the whole concept of a
doctor is, you know, knowing the human body generally, ideally
is supposed to be teaching people how to heal themselves
ideally or create the racket that is the industrial medical

(41:00):
complex and just keep feeding sidneys, fitting sittys, feeding sendents
in school, you're not taught that. You would not think
right like even nurses. You're not talking about the industrial
medical companies. We are in bed with the pharmaceutical company. Therefore,
we're going to continually keep people people take instead of
telling them, hey, get off your laser ass and cancer

(41:21):
may not come baseline, that doesn't earn them their salary
or actually keep hospitals in the business.

Speaker 8 (41:29):
But you already know that's medical admin people.

Speaker 10 (41:32):
They're the ones who learn the business now think of
a pastor and all of them is medical advent, you'd understand.

Speaker 13 (41:38):
The true.

Speaker 10 (41:42):
Right supposing true, I agree, because the pastor is supposed
to be there to heal, and there should be the
people in admin for the ones word about the money.

Speaker 8 (41:53):
Now the same inversion with the doctor.

Speaker 12 (41:57):
I agree, be the ones who understand how.

Speaker 14 (42:01):
The work says they confess how why if passage you
know how to.

Speaker 10 (42:06):
Prom because if the church is a business that is
tax free, meaning they're going to be a multimillionaire.

Speaker 12 (42:12):
But for whatever age they figured that out. And yeah,
you didn't hear, so, yeah, you did't hear, like the.

Speaker 10 (42:19):
Beginning part of it when he's like, oh no, anything
under a church officially becomes a church, Like, yeah, you know,
on planes are taxes in the house of worship? He
said what he said, Yeah, they prey on the plane.
It's officially a house of worship, therefore a tax Like wait,
so your meaning anything that they can get land, anything
they prad's like, yep, anything that they can.

Speaker 8 (42:41):
Is a house worship. Yes, in the it's in the
tax code.

Speaker 10 (42:49):
It's listen, it's if the tax code be the quote
unquote separation of church of state. But With that said,
the separation the church and the state has led to
all churches having to go under one specific construct in
order to comply and get Hey, you can get these

(43:11):
tax free benefits.

Speaker 12 (43:12):
However, you're gonna have to have this construct that you
are within.

Speaker 11 (43:17):
For us to.

Speaker 10 (43:18):
Recognize you as this house of worship, for you to
get this such and such.

Speaker 8 (43:22):
So yeah, it's a whole racket. It's a whole racket.

Speaker 10 (43:26):
And then everybody and then you're not even gonna get
into the fact that don't they have like the presidential
dinner some stupid shit like the Roman Catholic Church, like
they got that. So you got to feed into that racket.
That's why it's like separation the church and state. Is
it not really cond disorder?

Speaker 12 (43:42):
But no, it's a.

Speaker 10 (43:47):
There was a man named Peter Pump again crept flow
dollar existed, and no one said this is a this might.

Speaker 12 (43:55):
Be a scam.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
You can you.

Speaker 15 (44:02):
Because how many how many trucks can he fight?

Speaker 4 (44:06):
What is he doing now?

Speaker 8 (44:08):
Trump Way straight?

Speaker 14 (44:10):
Trump Way straight and Turkey hurts hewn excite mine Sula
part of the line of pressure Campain again.

Speaker 15 (44:19):
How many frunts can he fight?

Speaker 8 (44:21):
A war on simultaneously.

Speaker 12 (44:24):
This man is clinically insane, so he's fighting all of them.

Speaker 10 (44:27):
This man said, down with Venezuela, Like, what the hell
are you talking about? He's like, we have warm we
have warships, ben winning, we got all the people in
our head, and we still.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
Pro Israel.

Speaker 10 (44:42):
Because listen, y'all can bothering that. Yahoo said, fuck it,
we burn it on. We burned the time the leaves down.
So Trump said, great, let's focus.

Speaker 8 (44:53):
On Vince Small.

Speaker 10 (44:53):
We like, now that that's out of the way, and
I ain't gotta rim about all that. Y'all will be
CUsing his ass after we're gonna do wolf his ass.
Dot's focus on these drugs and pretended that Venezuela is.

Speaker 12 (45:05):
Ain't sentegrade your motherfucker's up here.

Speaker 8 (45:08):
Well, that's been an ongoing fight.

Speaker 14 (45:09):
It's been like just it's just chicken put on your
plate at once. But you know, like he is such
a thing as capacity had with all of you.

Speaker 10 (45:23):
All of you will call it racist, but everything south
of the border he basically classifies as corrupt, terroristic, and
likely cartel activity.

Speaker 12 (45:46):
So yes, Donald Droe's back. Trump basically is saying, all.

Speaker 10 (45:51):
The brown people who speak Spanish, blow it sheds wild chicken.

Speaker 12 (45:55):
Y'all can't get your politics together? Is he incorrect?

Speaker 10 (45:58):
No, there's not a government below Texas in Gloom, Texas
possibly that actually has anyone saying definitely any text I.

Speaker 12 (46:10):
Suldn't listen, I mean consistent.

Speaker 8 (46:13):
You want to podcast that one tonight? Oh, we can go.

Speaker 14 (46:16):
I've already because I got a lot of shit to
say about Texas.

Speaker 8 (46:19):
It's fine.

Speaker 10 (46:20):
We could completely do that cause them we could go
back on about the r the rise and Fall of Crockett,
cause I need cricket.

Speaker 12 (46:27):
Just stay hiding.

Speaker 14 (46:29):
And when I was getting my mbah and I had
to make a customers played because I wanted policy and
it wasn't There weren't a lot of policy focus class
so I had to like build it and get some
group most to have professors from the schools and then
teach classes do independent study with all things. And I
had one of the best professors. I did a S

(46:50):
one classmen and it was like super close to like
Texas state policy. It was something like that that learned
about and he was and he had been for her
somebody's legislative aid whatever he had worked for this down
at the state.

Speaker 15 (47:08):
House, and he put me aside and he was like,
I would advise you to change your career.

Speaker 14 (47:14):
Playing was like, nothing is going to get done in
Austin Sirst, nothing is going to get done in on state.

Speaker 15 (47:22):
You would have more time, you would have a better
luck with local politics.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
I was like, first of all, my.

Speaker 15 (47:28):
Plan wasn't in the state federal, but damn like really like,
wow you he was saying like he had thrown in
the town, like he was done trying to.

Speaker 8 (47:43):
At the book.

Speaker 12 (47:45):
Now local politics is problematic in Texas.

Speaker 8 (47:47):
I actually that he said that.

Speaker 15 (47:50):
He said, don't try to do state politics.

Speaker 10 (47:52):
Nothing is going to change oh state yea, oh hell no, no,
I don't do state politics.

Speaker 8 (47:57):
That's what he's went.

Speaker 15 (47:58):
He was like, don't go down.

Speaker 16 (47:59):
And the governor was walking through books and on her protest.
This man has lost his mind. He just needs to
bite the bull.

Speaker 8 (48:15):
Brandon Scott and that weak ass Fade.

Speaker 10 (48:19):
And your governor were walking through Baltimore.

Speaker 12 (48:22):
To say we are fine.

Speaker 17 (48:26):
Two men were shot hours drink whether walking.

Speaker 12 (48:32):
These men have lost their mind.

Speaker 8 (48:34):
They talk about biting the bullet. Stop it's Baltimore.

Speaker 17 (48:39):
Maril Mosby is free fright now, y'all need to stop,
leave me alone. I'm here and to him here, I
hope he dragging Marylyn Mosey's name to the earth's been.

Speaker 12 (48:53):
At a blond wig. He's as saying to be a shackles.

Speaker 15 (48:58):
Left it beloone that social media page.

Speaker 17 (49:01):
Get offline, criminals get off line.

Speaker 15 (49:07):
Her professional page looks like tipper, looks like it should be.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
She's selling ass. Get off again. She's a disgraced attorney.

Speaker 15 (49:16):
Be that there's an escapee.

Speaker 12 (49:19):
He'll be back.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
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let the DNA say. Just let the dog say, fucking
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You go bring it. Look at them, bring yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
And that's me being grumpy on the freeway. Someone you know,
cuts me off. I flash my brights. That's issue too.
I tell him to pull over because I want yell
at him. That sitsu three. He's armed and I am armed.
We both get out of the car.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
All these poor decisions can lead a decent, upstanding person
to kill someone and then boom, he pulls a gun,
eye pull a gun.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Someone dies.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
And so you look at these good intentions. So I
go to seminary. Now I know how to start a church.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
The banks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
My seminary is actually aligned with the local bank, so
they're gonna get me a loan. I'm gonna take that
debt on because I think I want to preach the gospel.
So there's another good intention to move. But now I
have debt, I got to pay them, and I don't
even have a congregation yet.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
And so can you see the angle to where hell
is me being frustrated with my work, me cheating on
my wife. Like you, you look at the you look
at the field of church leadership, and it's just rot
with adultery, you know, theft, fraud, abuse. And it's because
all these good intentions in this system have led me

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to help. And so unless I use Christ as my
beacon and I'm walking towards Him and I'm studying those
scriptures and in prayer, I'm going to end up in
hell the Bible, I will end up in hell, whether
it be whether it be I become a pastor or
work in filmmaking.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Well, without good intentions, I mean, what do we have.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Oh, this is a big one.

Speaker 11 (01:10:48):
You have Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
It's not you as a Christian. It's not you, it's
not me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Pastors always say, Nathan, I'm doing my best, and I say,
I hate that term.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
Christ, and say do your best.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
He said, you will fail, but every day you will
get up, die to yourself, pick up your cross, and
follow me to the point where all I where. All
When I look in the mirror, I don't see Nathan anymore.
I see Christ because I see the fruits of the spirit, love.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Joy, peace, patience, kindness, good and as gentle and self control,
faithfulness like that is what I want to look in
the mirror and see. And I will never get up
and be like, dang, I did my best. My brother
and I who's a brilliant Scholl like brilliant biblical scholar.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
He and I wrestle with that all the time because
he's like, I never want to hear myself say I
did my best. I failed, but God's through grace, is
going to give me another attempt at this, And so
good intentions.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
I don't care about good intentions, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
It's like I care about emulating Christ because my daughter,
who's seven, who's the show.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
I'm sitting in this chair because of hurt, and I
don't ever I want her to be like my dad
did his best.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
I want her to be like my dad was a
broken man who every day tried to emulate Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
And so I'm going to do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
And it's that's as simple as Christianity is. It's nothing else.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
So everything over here, the business, the machines, the good intentions,
I don't care. God didn't say, or Christ didn't say,
Nathan go out with good intentions. He said, sine no more.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
And he gave very clear directives and he knew we
would fail, and that's what grace and forgiveness is for.
But I don't go out and saying, man, see, this
is the slippery slope. I was raised in the Christian Church.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
I say, I can confidantly say I did not know Christ,
and I wrestled with this idea that He is the Way,
the truth, and the life until my early thirties, tell
until my daughter came into the world. Because I had
faith in my faith. So you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
I had so many good intentions to be like Jesus.
Go to church, I'd seeing it, put my hands up,
I'd put money in the then I'd volunteer, I'd go
to camps. I was a train wreck in my twenties.
I did drugs like I just couldn't get my life together.
I had no order in my life. And it was
all good intentions. And I heard a lot of people
along the way because man, I love Jesus, I'm a

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christ follower, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
But no, I had good intentions. I wanted to be
like Jesus. But I had no spine.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
I had no moral backbone because all my leaders around
me didn't have a spine in a.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
Backbone because I was looking at them to say this
is what I should emulate. And who are they?

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
They're sexually abusing their adopted kids, they're committing adultery, they're
divorcing their wives, and I'm like this is this is
jump like these all these guys have good intentions too.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
So it's when you finally.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Experience Christ and see Christ to say that is my
that is my focal point and nothing else, and then
good intentions don't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
And it's like I'm I'm gonna live. I'm gonna I
have my damnus to live up to him, and I
will fail every day. But when I die to myself,
Christ shines through me. And Paul says it best, you know,
he goes diet out of myself. So Christ literally comes
through me. It's not I who live, but Christ to me,
and as.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
A Christian and Christ for all, that is the only
thing we look at. Everything else is just smoking mirrors
in a trillion dollars.

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Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
At the end of the world, we will revisit it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
But I mean, what.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Would you like to see happen out of all this?
I mean, is it transparency that you want to see?

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Is?

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
Or is it? What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
I mean? Yes? So because you're making money off the documentaries, were.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Losing lot, we're losing money.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
So I'll tell you right now, transparency is step one,
and that is just shining a light into the business
center saying transparency needs to be brought in.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
That's all I could care less.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
In my business partner, we always say we could care
less if your pastor makes twenty million bucks a year,
or if he makes or if she makes one hundred
thousand bucks a year. The only thing we care about
is that you know because you will make the right position.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
And so are in.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
The Reformation fifteen seventeen Martin Luther? Do you know much
about the Reformation?

Speaker 6 (01:18:09):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Okay, So the Vatican was at its peak. They were
fighting wars, they were building the Basilica.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Have you been to the Vatican? Incredible?

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Right, So they're they're hemorrhaging money the Roman Catholic Church
is almost broke. They start selling indulgences, which has no
real even tie to the scriptures, because they have to
raise more money. They've they've got a stranglehold on the Bible,
and so they're the ones that read the scriptures. And
Martin Luther and a few others you're like, this is ridiculous.

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This book needs to be out for everybody to be
able to read. You know, they translated into German and
a few other languages. In boom, the Reformation happens because
now that Bible, that massive Bible, you can read at
your house.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
You don't need the Vatican anymore to do that. And
so you have the Protestant Reformation. But what had happened
is all power had sighload at the top of the Vatican.
So it was a monarchy. There was a few.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Select people at the very top, controlling the literature, controlling
what people do, asking for money, and you had to
give the money up the value chain to this top leadership.
Martin Luther writes in one of his books, he goes,
I see them in Rome now sitting around drinking their
fine Italian wines, laughing at all the stupid beer.

Speaker 4 (01:19:24):
Drinking Germans that have paid for it all.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
And so you have this select feu that are controlling
all the resources and demanding for salvation that you give
to this institution. So what happens is the Reformation happens,
and that whole system gets flipped on its head.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
Now the Bible is in your hands. You can read
the Bible.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
You don't have to give to an institution. Because we
burned most of them down and broken all the stained glass.
No one wants to go anymore. And now this is
the birth of marketing in the church too. So what
does the Vatican do. Well, we have good art, so
they bring in all these amazing artists and painters.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
And they build the Basilica. So boom marketing. The Church
has officially.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Begun, and so the Protestant Reformation happens. Everybody's faith is
their own again, because it's it's you doing the work,
it's me having to read, it's me having to be
in this body, the small Eglacia and talk about it.
And church went organic again, so.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
That organism starts moving through it moves to the US.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Now the organism is moving across the US because America's
being founded and discovered all the pilgrims are pushing over.
They've got that Bible literally, that vibe came across with pilgrims,
and they're reading around campfires to each other, and boom,
what happens. America gets established, cities get built, churches start
building buildings again. So it's no longer just around campfires

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and people moving. Now we got buildings, we got overhead.
Flash forward to today, we've just built many Vaticans all
over again. There's not one Vatican though, there's four hundred thousand.
Now does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
So there's four hundred thousand churches in the US. And
so where I'm going with this is the Protestant Reformation
tore down a monarchy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
But look at every church in the US today. It's
all monarchies. All the powers at the top. There's a
select few that control the money, and they say, everybody
give out of faith and will do because we are
anointed what God says we should do with your money.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
So this is just the Protestant Reformation two point zero.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
And it's now because enough people are frustrated and sick
of it that the religion business is the first. I
think of many stories to come out where it's going
to reform the church, and reformations are not fun. And
so now it's so to your point in the beginning
with you, which your gentleman's question on Patreon was, are

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youre just are you here just to point out a
problem or bring a solution. We are here to point
out the problem, but then bring a solution. So hopefully
the reformation can be sped up a little bit. If
that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Yeah, let's get into tyding. We'll get into the how
we focus us at the end.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
Tithing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
So churches need money, the businesses need money to run.
To your point, there's salaries, insurances, operation cost overhead, you
name it. So there's two ways to get that money.
One is through tithing, which is an Old Testament Biblical term,
and then two is through just generous.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
Giving, give out of love. You know, it's more Christ centered.
So tithing. In the early founding of America, churches didn't tithe.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Nowhere in the history or literature does any pastor ever
require tithes when we read through you know, sermons and whatnot.
It wasn't until the Civil War, when America was really
broke that we start seeing tithing come back up and
it's because churches were poor, and so church's pastors went
back through the Bible and they went to the Old

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Testament and the story of Moses coming off Mount Sinai.
He brings what's called the Mosaic Laws off the mountain,
which is the Ten Commandments and the sense of the
set of laws to rule Israel.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
And this is a really big point. At this moment
in history, politics and religion were combined.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
They were not separate. In America, they're separate. Back then,
they were not separate. Within those Mosaic Laws, there's three tithes,
and a tithe literally transferred or translates to a tenth,
So when you hear someone say a tithe, it means
one tenth.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
That is, it just means a tenth. So there was
three tides.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
There was the festival tithe, the levitical tithe, and then
the charity tithe. The charity tithe was taken every third year.
So technically you're supposed to be giving twenty three point
three percent of what you have to the temple, not
ten percent.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
If you point to the Mosaic Covenants.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
If you're a pastor that says, I preach tithing, which
is the Kenneth Copelands of the World, the Russell Johnson's
of the World. Most prosperity pastors point to tithing. So
from the very baseline, their argument is flawed because they
just picked one of the three, and the one they
picked is the levitical tithe.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Because they've positioned themselves as the Levites who took care
of the temple. And so here's the kicker. You have
the Jewish temple where you brought your tithes, you'd slitch
your animal's throats. The Levites never took a salary, they
owned nothing, and are you a hunter?

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Okay, we're gonna get into some nerdy stuff about hunting
and slaughtering animals real quick. So the Levite's sole purpose
was to upkeep the temple and bring your.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
Tithes and offerings to God and offer them to God.
You could not do it, and so a couple rules.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Levites could not own any land and they took no money.
So these current pastors are positioning themselves as the levitical priest.
So right there, they're flawed. If you want to mirror
the Old.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
Testament, you can't take a salary, you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Own land, and then yeah, you could, I guess, ask
for a tithe, but she asked for you have to
ask for all three. So the tithe, this tithe in
particular is I would offer my goat, my lamb, my sheep,
my cow, whatever I'm bringing.

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
To the altar.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
The Levites would slit his throat, process it. And then
God asked for one thing, the fat of the animal.
As the story goes, so God says, burn the fat
to me as.

Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
I like it. It's a sweet smelling aroma. And then
they put the rest of the animal in a pot
and basically boil it down the Levite.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
This is where the Levite would benefit from the tithe.
They would take one back quarter of the animal. I
can't rememberf it's the left or right because they have
to feed their family. So they would take a quarter
of your tithe. And then guess who got the best
the rest of the tithe back? You did, and you
fed your family with it. But the whole point was
to bring this animal, bleed it out, burn the fat

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to God.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
You as the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Levite, would get one of the quarters, and I would
take the rest back and eat it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
So that is the point of tithe.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
It's saying I'm bringing bringing this as an offering to you.
But here's the kicker. You only ever had to tithe
if you were Jewish and you owned.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Land in Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
If you were a sojourner or a gentile, you did
not tie it. Interesting, So the tithe rules of the
Old Testament, Mosaic law, Jewish landowner.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
And then what came off the land? So the story
goes since Israel, since the Biblical story is Israel was
a gift. The land was a gift to the Jews
by God.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
God required something off of that, and that was agriculture
and livestock off the land itself. So when you read
the Old Tepe or when Jesus talks about tithing of
mint and dill, it's what's coming off your property. It
has nothing to do with money. So got pastor's positioning
himself as the Levite, which the Leevites are gone, so

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you're not of a levitical priest. And then he's positioning
his church, his modern day institution.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
As the temple. Guess what, And Jesus he said, we
don't dwell in temples. No building holds God. You are
the temple now sean, So our very Christ, that all
these churches preach say we.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Are the temple. The building is not the temple. But
to fund it, we say the building is the temple,
and I am the levitical priest. So it's all botched.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
And so this is why it's so important to get
all these different perspectives, because what I've noticed through my
journey is that people will cherry pick, you know, parts
of Scripture to fulfill their own desires and dreams and.

Speaker 34 (01:27:43):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Well, don't get me wrong, Like this is what I
encourage everybody to do.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
The first time that Bible really came at me and
it came alive was when I read it as a
history book.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
I was not here. Oh my God, just let me
read it as a story.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
And as soon as I did that, it came alive
because then these wars meant something, these profits being martyred
meant something, you know, Like then it wasn't I wasn't
trying to cherry pick anything out of it. So you
moved to the New Testament. Christ gives very specific details
on how to give, and like I said, if you're
a Christ follower, everything follows with you.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Your resource is your time, your talent, everything you have
and so Christ told you to be very generous, and
he said in Matthew twenty five thirty one, help the hungry,
help the thirsty, help the naked, help the prisoner, help
the soldierer. And then he was obsessed with helping the
orphans and the wheels. So if that is Christ's main focus,

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help the needing, help the helpless. I look at the institutional.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Church today when I said only six cents of every
dollar and even leaves the walls. We're not doing that
job at all, not even remotely close to it. Sure
there's going to be fraud and abuse. You can never
get that out of a system, but we should. Our
system should at least somewhat mirror our quote unquote savior.
And it's antithetical to it. All with good intentions, by

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the way, that's the kicker is all of this was
built with good intentions.

Speaker 34 (01:29:18):
What do we mess in before we're moving out of
what you'd like to see? And how do we what
is the good news? Yes said you had good news.
Have great news Christians.

Speaker 3 (01:29:30):
Christians and American Christians in particular, the most generous people
in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
We give And this is my.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Every christ Follower out there, you are are trying to
emulate your savior, and you can see that in your giving,
Like hats off to you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
But that doesn't mean we just give and let it go.

Speaker 5 (01:29:53):
And and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
Some of the worst offenders right now that are being
exposed and money are in prison say hey, Sean, your
money is not yours, it's God's. So give me ten
percent and we're going to do what we feel we
need to do with it and leave it up to God.
I would argue christ is it would would disagree with
that entirely because Christ says, Sean, pick up your cross

(01:30:16):
and follow me, and what he is saying there, I
think there's an expectation baked in that you will be
the light of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
You will spread my gospel.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
And what that means is I will make sure the
limited resources I have create impact for his cause. So
I will actually demand accountability with my money that I
give and demand stewardship of that money. Because it's a
limited resource. I'm just not going to give it away
and let you do whatever you want with it. Like no,
Christ told me to make disciples of men to heal

(01:30:51):
the sick. I am here to do that, to feed hungry,
to clothe the naked, you know, to visit the prisoner
and the sojourner and help the sojourner.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Like that is what we're here to do.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
So hey, if I give five bucks, I want to
make sure that five bucks goes towards the cause, and
sure you're leading the organism or equipments.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
SERTs call one three three horizon to switch today.

Speaker 15 (01:31:12):
I sparait advice to these monthly.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
Right, I'll be bringing an existing Night Investomers.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Organization. You deserve a salary, you deserve your kids to
be paid without a doubt, but that doesn't mean you
inure yourself off of it, right, steward the money well.
And the way we do that is by bringing accountability.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Into that system, into those churches, into those auxiliaries, into
those conventions, into those associations. Or we're just going to
have trillion dollar hedge funds everywhere with every church eventually,
and then then then the church becomes the state again,
which has happened in the past as well.

Speaker 4 (01:31:56):
Pallow, I want to get to pollowaite before we Paulo
Wait is the faith advisor to our current city President Trump.
We were given by an individual her bylaws. So remember
in the beginning I was talking about we have to

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separate the business from the true church.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
PAULOW White is a corporation. It is a business, and
businesses have bylaws. Her by laws are stamped confidential on
every single page. In her bylaws, it says she can
never be fired. In her bylaws, it says she can
never be removed until death.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
When she dies or resigns, the business gets passed off
to her son.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
There is no vote on who takes it over. They
have a board of directors. The board of directors can
make decisions. She can fire any board of director at
any time. If she doesn't like the vote of the
board of directors, she can veto it. She has full
carte blanche reign of that organization. So she can say

(01:33:04):
she's a corporation with bylaws and a board of directors.
But it's just it's all smoka mirrors. She is literally
a monarchy. And then the kicker is in those bylaws
it says you will find Jesus through your pastor President
PAULA White.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
So it says, Sean, if you go to Paul White's church,
you can't get to Jesus. You have to come through me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
So again, she's positioned herself as the middleman, and then
she's out there schlepping thousand dollars, you know, on TV
and saying you're gonna get a blessing like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
This issue goes all the way to the White House.
And then this is the woman who's giving our sitting
president advice on Christ. Her entire system is antithetical to
the very Christ that she says. She worsips. You have
to practice what you preach.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
And that's the problem is people today in the lay
Christian are looking at the pulpit and even paul A
White might have some decent message, but then you look
at the organization and it's antithetical. It's running a contradiction
to the very message from the pulpit. It's hey, don't
ask for accountability, don't ask for transparency.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
Hey, you know he sexually abused some kids. It's a
moral failure. Robert Morrison Dallas, he raped a twelve year old.
It's a moral failure. It's not criminal.

Speaker 28 (01:34:29):
He was doing his best.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
He had good intentions, like that's what we chalk it
up to.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
And so as lay Christians are looking at this right
now and looking at the institutional church going, everything's running
antithetical to Jesus. What's coming from the pulpit is nice
with good intentions, but there's this collision right now, and
it's a trillion dollar collision running straight into Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
And that's where we're at. And so through religion business
is right at that epicenter.

Speaker 5 (01:34:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Yeah, it'd be great if we get some transparency.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
That's that's all we're asking for with the religion business.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
We don't think that's all you need. Yeah, you know,
to correct maybe not even maybe correct is the wrong word,
but you people need the transparency to make the decisions
on who they're going to follow, where they're going to go.

Speaker 4 (01:35:20):
And people are smart. This is the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
So remember there's four hundred thousand mini vaticans that are
that are all just monarchies, all the power at the top.
You just need to flip it power, it's democracy. Power
needs to go back to the people. People need to say, hey,
I need to know where my money's going. And then they,
once they are educated, will make the right decisions. And
so we have a list of questions on our website
that you once you watch the show, you can download

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and set up a meeting with your pastors. They're very
juvenile questions, but most people just don't know how to
articulate it because no one knows and has ever looked
inside the machine.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
So it's a dozen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Questions or so, and hey, just take it in and
be like, okay, pastor, I'd like to know this in
this the questions, it's really simple. We've talked about it's
like what's the top you know, what's the top two
to five people salary? Like Congregan should know that. Does
our past to take a housing allowance? And if so,
how much do you take a car allowance? Do you
take a housing allowance? Who's the board of directors? Because

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churches don't have an obligation to say who their board
of directors are, and so most of the time it's
just family and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Friends and big and big donors, and so you're literally
just it's so sad.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
But a lot of these organizations are leveraging the very
vulnerable populations that we were told to protect and nurture.

Speaker 4 (01:36:38):
And so again it's just simple questions like that. It's
what this is, my kicker.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
It's what every secular nonprofit has to declare on their
nine ninety every publicly traded company has all this information
out in public. If you're an investor, you know every salary,
you know, you know where the want you see p
and ls. We're not asking for anything else than any
other business. So that's why you have to set break
the eclaisea from the building and the business and say
it's a business.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Run it like a business.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
And this is our saying is transparency demands accountability. Accountability
demands reform in reform demands impact. And so we're just
bringing the transparency piece in and then we know and
we have faith that Christians will bring the accountability because
of it, and the rest is up to God and

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it'll happen. So transparency, you nailed it all. Just turn
that light on and the rats and cockroaches are going
to scurry. And then John three talks about this. Christ
came into the world to be the light, but men
love the darkness rather than the light.

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
For fear that his deeds will be exposed.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
And so you just turn that light on and people
and then it says and those who come to the
life are looking for the light, are looking for Christ.
And there's great pastors out there who have hit us
up on social media who have called us. We've sat
on hundreds of calls where they are coming to the light.
They're like, we get it, dude, this is a broken system.
Let's be a part of a solution. And then you
also have the rats and the cockroaches scurrying, and so

(01:38:05):
reform begins the day.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Have you seen have you seen any churches start to
implement transparency since you've been doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
You know, the show is only we sawt launched a
few weeks ago, so it's it's shocked. It's already having
a shock in the system. And a lot of them
are saying, Okay, what.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Do we do?

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
That's what do we do? Yeah, I'm like, well, you
just be transparent.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Yeah, and so open the books up.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
Yeah, open the books. What you do all you do
is you open the books up and your your congregensle
will know. And so we are seeing the pastors.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
Yeah, they do know, they do know what's right and wrong.
This is I mean, this is what do we do
about this upstein stuff? Release the fucking files.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Release them. Yes, just like you said you were going to. Yeah,
you know, be transparent. Yeah, that's what everybody wants. We
just want to know where the money is going, yeah,
that's it. Yeah, and then everybody can make their own
decision on it if they want to.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Stay here or not. We're nice. It's not rocket science, right,
but they won't do it because they know what's wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
They will though, if the money moves, and so that's
our goal. A brilliant man who helped the LDS Church
grow to three hundred billion. One of their main investors.
He blew the whistle in twenty nineteen on it, and
that's how that whole system even got exposed because churches
don't have to be transparent. But he blew the whistle
with sixty minutes. He goes, Nathan, I don't know if

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you realize what you guys are doing. But he goes,
the smartest minds.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
In the world see everything as rivers, so rivers of capital,
rivers of humans, rivers of resource, rivers of you know,
rare minerals. And he goes, you're tackling a trillion dollar river.
And he's like, you're at the river right now, and
he goes, smart people, don't damn the river off, which

(01:40:09):
means we're not just going to point.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Out a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
He goes, smart people divert rivers and he goes, so,
where do you want to divert the river? And all
I said was two accountable organizations. Because there's good people,
good pastors, good nonprofits, great nonprofits out there doing amazing work.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
I want to divert that trillion to them. And he goes, cool,
go do it. So that's all we're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
And that's what Broken Shepherds is is an app that
just diverts money. It shows the accountable organizations and the
shady ones side by side, and you see it. I mean,
you get to figure out what based on educating the donor,
you decide where you give your money.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
That's it. It's not rocket science.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
What kind of blowback are you giving? We've had a
lot of hate, you know, yeah, flipped how many people
go to church?

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
Uh talk about something million go to church in the US?

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Something million people. You just flipped our entire world upside down.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
Yeah, the majority of I think there's two point three billion.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
Your entire life. Yeah, just got flipped upside down because
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
But we're not like that's the thing. The Bible hasn't changed,
you know. The Bible always has this concept of a
refiner's fire. You know, refining is not easy. It's painful,
but it burns off impurities, and so we always say, hey,
burn it down, and what's left standing is of God.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
And what isn't left standing and a God that's a man.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
And then out of the death of what dies, beautiful
things will resurrect.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
Like that's why Christ is such a fast his life,
his death, his resurrection. Everything is so fascinating when you
start mapping it out over life. A great example is Gateway.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Gateway is a church outside Dallas, massive megachurch, and the
lead pastor was Robert Morris. Come to find out he
was he raped a twelve year old and so they
let him go. And instead of saying, hey, this whole
system is rotted, like this man built this organization, everything

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about it is tied to him. What should happen is
you should let this business die and let all those
brilliant Christians sitting in those pews with good intentions, with
a love for Christ, with families go out into their
community and beautiful things will resurrect. But instead, what is
the board of directors doing. We're a fifty million dollar
a year organization.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
We got to hold onto this.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
They're still good here, and it's like, nah, dude, that's like,
let it die, and beautiful things will resurrect out of that.
New churches, new home churches, new megachurches, new whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
But beautiful things will resurrect.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
And I am so confident that in a decade the
religious landscape in America will look radic different and it
will be ran with accountability and transparency, and the church
will be the light of the world. Because guess what,
we have a trillion dollars a year to literally solve
the top thirty global social issues, the top twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:43:13):
Here's how crazy. Let's get into some fun stuff. The
top twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Global social issues can be solved for around thirty five
billion a year.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
That's ending deaths from.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Malaria to briculosis, just really low hanging fruits that aren't sexy,
and this white governments don't solve them. And so just
if we brought accountability into the system and stopped some
of the theft that goes on internally, the Christian Church
could solve the top twenty global social issues and it
would affect no one's bottom line. And so what I

(01:43:44):
mean by that is ninety two billion with a beat
every year is stolen by church staff from their coffers
ninety two billion, two almost almost ten percent. Just bring
accountability and like, let's say we drop that to fifty billion.
The Christian Church could solve the top twenty global social
issues just with that savings. So you could still have

(01:44:06):
your megachurches and planes and all that. We're not even
changing the system. Now, think if we actually reformed the
system in twenty cents of every dollar started going to impact,
the Christian Church could radically transform the world.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
Be the light of the world tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
Still have your buildings, still have your private planes. You
just need to bring accountability and transparency into it. So
when I hear a pastor say it's because we don't
have enough money, I'm like, you.

Speaker 4 (01:44:30):
Are full of crap.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
You have no accountability in transparency, that's the problem. And
so bring that into the system and the church could
be the light of the world tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
Man. And that's what's so exciting is Christians are the
most generous people in the world because we try to
emulate our Savior. But then leadership and wolves. Bible talks
a lot about wolves, you know, devouring widows houses, and
so that's what we're doing. The institution is literally doing
everything the fits of the Old Testament preached against and

(01:45:02):
spoke of and everything Christ spoke of that he he
was against turning my father's house into money in devouring
widow's houses.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
So back to back to the original book.

Speaker 28 (01:45:14):
I mean, is the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
We've talked about some of the blowback, you know, offline
on breaks before we started the interview.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
I mean, where is the majority of the blowback.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Coming from, as if from pastors people's worlds that were
flipped upside down and they realize, oh shit, yeah I've
been wrong this entire time.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
Sorry, I had a head injury, so it's hard for
me to remember what I've said here. And I was
but there's like two splits of the world. You know,
you have your congregate and if they watch it, they
are so supportive. I was at a i'll call it
a religious institution a couple Sundays ago, and this woman
came up and she's like, are you the religion business?

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
And I'm like yeah, and she just hugged me and
then she just walked off.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
And that's the response we're getting from the day from
the average Christian who wants to read that byble and
deep in their faith. The only blowback we're getting is
from people who make their living off the institution.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
What is the blowback?

Speaker 4 (01:46:10):
We've had security teams call us and say that there's
you know, bad things are going to happen to us.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
And one is one person in particular paid one hundred
grand dig up dirt. And then this security detail said,
put a hit out.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
Put a hit out. Yeah, yeah, well that's not very
curse jam like, no, no, and uh, how are you
handling it?

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
Security? And I firmly believe.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Do worry about your family?

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
No, my firmly We've.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
God's got got me and we take precautions. You know,
We're not out there just doing whatever we want. But
I think I'm on the right side with my creator
on this one. And uh, the world needs And one
thing we present in episode seven is men we have
abnegated our role as Christian leaders.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
We don't teach our children the Bible anymore. We let
other people do it.

Speaker 5 (01:47:15):
And men, male.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Pastors in particular, have chased fame in the stage, in
the celebrity, in the spotlight. And it's women that have
stepped up. And I've seen this around the world and
you see this in the show Quiet Humble. Women have
stepped up to be the hands and feet of God
in Jesus, and it's time for men to step back up.
And I look at the founding of America and those

(01:47:38):
founding fathers. You know, we talk about politics and religion
kind of mirroring courses. Those funding fathers died for the cause.
They put their life on the line.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
Those individuals in DC are literally supposed to be public servants.
That is what church leadership needs to become again. We
need to be servants because Christ said you are a servant.
He goes, I came to serve you, I washed your feet.
Do this to others, and instead we like to stand
on stages and collect money and build buildings and create institutions,

(01:48:11):
which again aren't inherently bad, but it's to ourselves.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
We're building that to ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
Yeah, and so I firmly believe that with this reformation,
this next generation of young leaders is going to come
in with a servant's heart and the church will radically
reform and generosity will not drop. Because everybody's like, are
you afraid that people are going to stop giving? And
I'm like no, man, if I was like, help, like

(01:48:40):
I single mothers, here's a great example. Christian churches love
to promote pro life. We're marching to DC. We're going
to stand on those steps steps, we're going to sing
songs because we are pro life. And I've sat down
with pastors and I've asked this, Okay, what do you
guys do for your single mothers in your town? What
do you mean, Nathan, Well, you're so pro life, what

(01:49:01):
do you do? Well we go to DC. Well, I
don't care about this. What do you do for the
local single mothers in your in your town? And one
in particular, they had spent two million dollars on a
new child's child care facility of their church and they
were so proud to show it to me, and.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
I'm like, this is awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
It's like Disneyland basically. And I said, okay, well you
use this every Sunday, right, And they're like yeah. I'm like,
why don't you open it for single mothers in your
neighborhood that are struggling? You know, they can't pay for
a nanny or a babysitter, but they need to get
to work. Why don't you say, hey, one of our
programs is going to be single mothers. If you're so

(01:49:39):
pro life, and their response was literally, well, it would
ruin the facility, and I'm like, that is the point
of the facility, but you want it squeaky like squeaky clean.
And there's an organization that's very close to Trump, a
nonprofit called Samaritan's Purse, which we expose in the show,
or we explore in the show. Billy Graham's son, Franklin

(01:50:03):
Graham runs it now and man, they do good work
with refugees in Europe. But again, you put a dollar
in the top of the Samaritans first machine and a
penny falls out the bottom.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
And I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Whenever I see I don't love it. It breaks my heart.
Whenever I see all their natural disaster programs. Every truck
that pulls out of their spot is so perfect, it
doesn't have a single scratch.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
When you see them.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Drop in medical aid that's never been used before, and
I'm like, what, Like, you're stockpiling resources and in the
last three years they've doubled their net assets and I'm like, yeah,
you do some good work, but you're just building a
kingdom just like the LDS churches and saying, man, look
at the good work we're doing. As you have two

(01:50:49):
billion sitting. It's a God never told us to store
up on earth. He actually said, get rid of it,
you know, let me be have faith in me. The
daily bread has been lost from the institution. And I
was going to bring up a hunting analogy. God wants
the fat right of the animal on the altars in
the Old Testament, and he said, it's a sweet smelling aroma.

(01:51:13):
And as a hunter, when you break down an animal
and you look at the fat stores, this animal took
a full six months to put this on, and it's
going to burn up over winter, and that animal hopes
to survive that winter to put it on again. Right,
So is there a correlation between God demanding the fat

(01:51:34):
of the animal in God saying, hey, Sean, I need
you to put your faith in me. I've got you
for tomorrow. Give me your fat, give it away, and
I've got you. And if you're doing the right thing,
I've always got you. And then you look at the
religious institutions and they're fat as hell? Helds is three
hundred billion going to hit a trillion? Samaritans purse just

(01:51:56):
hit two billion.

Speaker 4 (01:52:00):
Kenneth Copeland seven hundred and fifty million, Day Star seven
hundred and fifty million cash they've made off of buying
out struggling individual's life insurance policies all.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
The name of Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Yeah, how do you think we'll get to transparency by
people demanding our laws?

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
People demanding So that's where the show has to be
seen because it at least educates, and our goal is
to educate. And I firmly believe Christians once they know
the problem and they can articulate it, they will take.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
It into their own hands.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
Do you think you'll do another docu series once churches
start opening up their books becoming transparent.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
Do you think he'll do a series on Here's here's
some good Ones.

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
The show shows good ones.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
It does, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
We show episode three is called Saints and Sinners. We
show the good ones and the bad ones.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
We show an awesome homeless program in Rockford, Illinois called
the Rockford excuse me, the Rockford Rescue Mission. We show
awesome operations overseas like we showed the good ones, and
that was the goal.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
I bring no judgment.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
I don't I do say Kenneth committed fraud it because
that is fraud. But I don't say this guy did
it maliciously, I say, I give him good like with good.
He probably had good intentions. But my goal in the
show is to put up Kenneth Copeland alongside his sister Rosemary,
who dedicated her life to chill child fighters in Uganda,

(01:53:32):
you know who were who were taken off the streets
and from homes by Joseph Coney, like I got to
sit with her and ironically, you know, And then that's
the goal, is just to put them side by side
and you make the decision who's more christ Like, you know,
And that's what I wanted to show.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
So at the end of the show, at the end
of the series, you almost feel.

Speaker 3 (01:53:49):
Sick to your stomach because you're like, I should be
like sister Rosemary and Pastor Wilfred and all these amazing
individuals that if I'm a Christ follower, these individuals pick
up their cross, you know. And again it's dangerous and
you risk it and you can't have fat. But the church,
the institution, those buildings are fat. Now we've become fat,

(01:54:09):
and so we need to offer that fat up and say, okay, God,
you ask for faith. Let's in Christ ask for faith too.
Just pick it up and pick up a cross and
follow me.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Sean, it where it needs to go. Yep, man, what
are we missing?

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
Christ?

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
The church is missing. Christ is the uh as the
head of the church. There's only and there's a big one.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
Someone. I can't believe. I'd never realized this.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
Until a call last week, this guy named Chris. He's like, Nathan,
you know, there's only one church, right, And I've been
working on this for sixteen years and I'm like, wait,
what it's like. There's only one church, Christ Church. It's
the body of Christ, it's the people. There's no other church.
So when you say I'm going to go to a
Ridgeline church, that's not a church. That's a brand. When

(01:55:02):
I say, oh, I'm going to go to a fellowship
that's a brand, it's not a church. There's only one church.
And we've built all these brands and businesses on top
of that church. And that's why we have forty four
thousand nominations today, forty four thousand denominations of Christianity because
we all have to be different. My church has to
be different than you, Sean, because if we're the same, Yeah,

(01:55:24):
what does that mean? Yeah, nothing to argue about. Bro,
We're gonna we're gonna emulate our Savior. So there's one church.
That's what I would encourage everybody to do. There's one church.
It's the body of Christ. You are an active, breathing
part of that organism.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
Read the Bible cover to cover, live in it, breathe it,
and pray like meditate by yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
I think that's a great message. I mean, that is
of all is stuff I've learned through the Bible study
of my house.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
That is probably the one thing that stuck out the
most was when Todd said, you know that the church
is in a brick and mortar building.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
It is the living body of believers, and that's all
that matters and who.

Speaker 18 (01:56:12):
Who is?

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
If you can educate your children on that, and I
can educate mine, in one generation, the world will look
radically different.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
And so my only ministry is my child because if
I can teach her what took me forty one years
to learn, the place is in good hands.

Speaker 5 (01:56:34):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
You know well, Nathan, I love what you're doing. It's dangerous,
and they did a lot of rocks over here. But
I wish you the best luck. I thank you for coming,
and I'd love to see what's coming next.

Speaker 4 (01:56:49):
Yeah, thank your brother, cheerish me.

Speaker 21 (01:57:19):
You want to go to wall.

Speaker 5 (01:57:25):
Go with me?

Speaker 9 (01:57:29):
You wanna go go?

Speaker 11 (01:57:32):
Say you go with me?

Speaker 5 (01:57:36):
Sunday take your life.

Speaker 13 (01:57:38):
You want.

Speaker 31 (01:57:45):
Me sty the time, the hand till the morning.

Speaker 22 (01:57:56):
I said it turble b miss the sunfucking.

Speaker 5 (01:58:00):
From the world.

Speaker 19 (01:58:01):
A way to say you got to drop break.

Speaker 20 (01:58:04):
The boss talking the cost and the guy cregas in

(01:58:28):
the earliest in the Body and the paying where.

Speaker 22 (01:58:32):
The mistaken the furnish was there.

Speaker 20 (01:58:35):
Mistaken in sud I understood that when the store is
straight down the.

Speaker 22 (01:58:40):
Water, David is hold of the team is a big
broken and bleeding.

Speaker 11 (01:59:08):
So I talked to by by six.

Speaker 21 (01:59:15):
Play by by by exacts see.

Speaker 19 (01:59:36):
Okay Ole tub My.

Speaker 13 (02:00:52):
But my alcohol

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