The Downfall Of CLANdace OVENs pt.2😈

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You talk a lot of I do. You absolutely talk
a lot about me included. So I wanted to invite
you onto the podcast because a lot of your videos
have been going viral. Obviously, it will not surprise you
to learn that, according to the media, you might be
the most evil person in the world.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
They say that about me, Yes, that's my reputation.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
And definitely anti Semitic, racist, misogynist. There have been real
fears of people speaking about your Graper movement. So I
did something before this interview. As I went back into
my phone and wrote Nick Fuentes, I wanted to try
to remember the first time that I actually heard your name,
and it was in twenty nineteen a text message that

(00:50):
somebody had shared with me that Ashley Saint Clair had
been kind of fired from Turning Point USA, and this
person was speaking about Ashley Saint Clair and had mentioned
that she got in trouble a while back or whenever
it happened, because she took a photo with you, and
that you were this big anti Semite. And then later
that year I had a conversation about the Grapers. It

(01:14):
was something that I had never seen before who were
showing up on college campuses and asking questions about conservatism
to various speakers, whether it was Rob Smith Dave Ruben
and asking hey, we're conservatives, why are we promoting gay people?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
You're the person that is the face of that movement. Yes,
can you just tell me, I guess a little bit
about Nick Flentes before the Graper movement?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, yeah, that was my big claim to fame. That
was kind of when I came on the map in
twenty nineteen. But before that, I was at RSBN, right
Side Broadcasting Network.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I was a freshman in college. I was eighteen years old.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I was at Boston University, and I was a big
pro Trump guy, you know, and I was there into politics,
extremely political, but like a lot of people, I was
pretty mainstream, you know. I was very pro Israel, libertarian,
big prager, you viewer, a Ben Shapiro fan, all that.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
But of course in twenty sixteen everything changed. You know,
he had the rise of the alternative right. And so
it's guys like Jordan Peterson and Stefan Malinu and Richard
Spencer and Jared Taylor, and of course Trump being the
king of them all. So in twenty sixteen everything changed.
I became very racialist, very pro white, very critical of Israel,
very aware of the Jewish phenomenon that's happening in the country.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Man just three quarters Hispanic, not a quarter white, speaking
like this with a woman with a white husband and
Minx children.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
These are two anti Semites.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Tried to come to terms with how they're not into
Semitic Clanders is about to learn just how bad anti
Sempatism can be.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
And so I went to the college campus. I was
freshman eighteen, and I did a big debate with the
student body president at the school, and it was kind
of weird how it came together. I was pretty vocal
on Twitter. Didn't have a big following, maybe two hundred followers,
but I was wearing a Maga hat everywhere I went.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
It's two hundred followers, y'all ain't shit, especially if y'all
have any time Hispanic and your blood y'all definitely ship
for this. Y'all should be a chemyr damn sales. But
tell it this, it's not even an octor room because
the boy is three quarters Hispanic. What the hell is happening? Yeah,

(03:46):
if the boy goes out into the sun, he is
going to look like he should be cleaning up somebody's
hotel or or or replaces somebody's carbortd. But currently us
he is inside and terrified of the world. He looks white.
It's driven snow.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
But it's a lie. He is telling Moond no white.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
That is it.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
He is telling Moon no white. I mean he's now
white at all. He's a die to die, Hispedic in
his blood. His mother is full blood Hispedic.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
He's just God. This woman exists. He should be ashamed
of himself.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Cafeteria to clap and.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Then you got clands. That's enough all you need to know.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's down the street.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
And I became known on the campus as that guy
wearing the Maga hat. And I would go on Twitter
and I talk about my experience. You know, people are
picking on.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Me, saying the walls, talking about his mama.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
People are saying they're gonna beat me up, people are
threatening me, stuff like that. And I said I was defiant.
You know, I was very pro Trump in spite of
all that. And so I got a lot of flat
from the lip roles on the campus. The Democrats and
one of these groups Young Americans for Liberty. They came
in and contacted me and said, would you want to
set up a debate on the campus with one of

(05:10):
your detractors, one of the people threatening you, trying to
fight you. And I said, yeah, I'd love to do that.
You know, I had been a broadcaster in high school,
so I said, yeah, let's set something up. And so
they put out like an open casting call. They contacted
a bunch of the people that had been talking trash
about me, and they said they'd like to set up
this debate. And they found the student body president. He

(05:32):
was like a senior and he was like some Democrats,
socialist or something.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
And I didn't even know the guy.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
But they set up this live event and like three
hundred students.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Came to it. It was like a big deal.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
And actually someone you know, Cassie Dylon who's now known
as Cassie Akiva. At that time, she was a fellow
at Daily Wire. She was like, I guess she was
working there temporarily. They had taken her to Israel. She
had been there a few times, and she was studying
at Mount Hollyoak in western Massachusetts, and she was involved
with some of the campus groups. So she went to

(06:03):
the event and she live streamed it on periscope at
that time, and I didn't even know her.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I had heard about her, I had seen her on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
And when the debate finished, she came up to me
and she said, oh my gosh, I just streamed that.
You had thirty thousand people watching. She goes, Ben Shapiro
watched it. Milo Ynopolis watched it, she said, and you've
got a bunch of different job offers. And we do
a little postgame interview. She's asked me questions. And the
last question she asked me, which is like the big
setup for my whole life, she said, I just got

(06:31):
back from Israel. She said, would you ever take a
trip to Israel? Because I think you'd love it? And
so on, And you know, I sort of knew what's
happening with Israel, but not one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
And I said, yeah, I said, it sounds interesting.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
But I think I have everything I need right here
in America. And she goes, oh okay. She wraps up
the interview and she gives me your card. We exchange information.
I get involved with her. She was involved with RSBN
and if you know, that's right Side broadcasting that work.
They did all the Trump rallies during the election, and
when the election ended, they said they were going to

(07:05):
start up a bunch of original programming man Mike Cernovich,
Bill Mitchell, a bunch of these guys that were on Twitter,
and she had a show it is called Ray's Right.
And so she contacted Joe Seals, who's at RSPN, and
she said, you know, I saw this guy give the speech.
He's really great. He debated this guy on campus. We
should give this guy a show. And so I got

(07:26):
in touch with them. We got to talking. This was
around the end of twenty sixteen beginning of twenty seventeen.
They said, you know, what do you want to call
your show. I said, well, let's call it the Nicholas
JF went to show. They said, that's too long. Nobody
knows who's you. Nobody knows who you are. You know,
we don't want that.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I said, okay. They said you need a different name.
I said, all right.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
So I watched the Trump inauguration, which was January seventeen,
and he said in the speech, he said, a new
vision will govern our land. It's going to be only
America first. And I said, I like the sound of that.
I said, we'll call it America first.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
So question how old are you exactly at this time?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I was eighteen.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Eighteen, Okay, so all this sort of happened seventeen eighteen
years old, or this all happened very quickly at the
age of eighteen, okay.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, And it all happened rapidly, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
And this was a time when I was to leave
in figuring out what I'm about, you know, because I'm
a teenager and I had been extremely political since I
was like twelve years old. I read Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman,
all that stuff, all the libertarian, conservative stuff, even a
lot of the Neokon stuff. Honestly, I was kind of
all over the place, and I started to get red pilled,

(08:34):
you know. I started to go on four Chan, I
started going far right Twitter. I started to get into
some of these more interesting.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Ideas, and I wasn't sold yet.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
That's sort of the thing is, I was sort of
in this questioning phase, not sort of innuendo, but questioning,
you know, my political ideology. Like, you know, I had
these libertarian priors, and I had this kind of pro
Israel bent because that's just what there was on the
Internet at that time.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
All of the online content.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
It was PJ Media, which was Shapiro and Bill Whittell
and Andrew Clavin. It was Praeger, you wright part, That's
what there was. But then in twenty sixteen, you had
this alt right movement and suddenly had all these other
people that were in the conversation. Like I said, these
guys like Jared Taylor and San.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Francis and a whole other crew.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
And so I really was open minded and questioning what
I really believe. And so that's really when I came
into conflict with this establishment, you know, something that I
sort of began to figure it out and started to
pay the price for this line of inquiry. And so
that first conversation I had with Cassie Dillon it prefigured

(09:42):
kind of like my entire adult life until this point.
And at that time, in the early months of the
Trump admin, I was doing some digging on the Israel situation,
and there were some notable news stories with Obama and
then with Trump that made me ask some questions, you know.
In December of twenty sixteen, during the lame duck, Obama

(10:03):
declined to veto in the Security Council a resolution condemning
the settlements in the West Bank, and everybody called them
a Jew hater for doing that. They said he was
an anti Semite. And I said, well, wait a second.
And I was a big conservative I didn't like Obama,
but I said, wait a second. I said, it is
the official policy of the United States since nineteen sixty

(10:24):
seven that we're against the civilian settlements. Every president, Republican
and Democrat, I said, in all Obama did. He didn't
even vote no, he didn't veto it, he didn't vote
in favor. They voted President and they allowed the resolution
to pass. I said, that's consistent with our government's policy,
the American policy. Obviously, Israel and America don't have the

(10:46):
same policy on everything. I said, But now you have
Fox News and Mark Levin and all the usual suspects
are saying is an anti Semite and a Jew hater
because he merely advanced our own position. I said, isn't
that a bit of a double standard. Isn't that hypocritical?
I said, And you know what it sounds like. It
sounds like the left. You disagree with the left on race,
and they say you're a racist. You disagree with the

(11:06):
left on Islam, you're an islamaphobe.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
And all the rest of it.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
And so that was something that really set off an alarm.
Bell I said something's not right here, and I wrote
a big article about it on my blog A couple
months later. Guess who comes to town for Trump's first
visit from a foreign leader. It's bb net Yahoo. I
was the first foreign leader that he hosted at the
White House. And net Yahoo goes out there, they do
a joint press conference and Trump turns to him and says,

(11:33):
I need you to take it easy on those civilian
settlements in the West Bank.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's a big liability for US.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Net Yahoo goes home and authorizes the largest expansion of
the settlements in Israel's history.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
Wait, that's super interesting, is that on camera?

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (11:47):
And secondly, on the settlement issue, are you both on
the same page as far as settlements.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'd like to see you hold back on settlements.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
For a little bit. We'll work something out, but I
would like to see a deal be made. I think
deal will be.

Speaker 8 (12:01):
Bbe and I have known each other a long time,
a smart man, great negotiator, and I think we're going
to make a deal. It might be a bigger and
better deal than people in this room even understand that's
a possibility.

Speaker 9 (12:14):
So let's see what we do. Doesn't sound too optimistic,
but say good negotiated.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
That's the art of the duke.

Speaker 7 (12:26):
That's interesting. I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Yeah, it's pretty obscure, because you know, if you're not
watching this stuff day by day, it kind of slips
through the cracks. But that was the first foreign visit.
I remember it very distinctly, and so I said to
Cassie Dylan, you're.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Just more dialed into it at this time because I
was paying attention to politics definitely, obviously because I was
kind of getting kicked over the BLM stuff. But I
would have never tuned into that because we weren't really
confronted with the Alliance as much in twenty sixteen. But
you're kind of dialed in, and you notice this moment
and BB just kind of as ef you to Trump
and proliferates it further.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Right, exactly.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
No, back then, she just wasn't ad the cemit, but
we will.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Pully And I was paying atten because I was really
big into foreign affairs. I was a big model un
kid in high school. That was like my thing. So
I was really focused on all that, and I, you know,
I just pay attention.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I asked questions.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I noticed the patterns, so to speak, and so I
had at that point I became friends with all the
Daily Wire people. There was Cassie Dillon, this writer named
Elliott Hamilton, a writer named Aaron Bandler. Those guys were
Jewish and they I think they had visited Israel a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
They were involved in Jewish groups.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I thought they were my friends, you know, And they
were talking about they were setting me up with a
writing gig at Daily Wire. They basically did like a
preliminary interview. They wanted me to work over there, and
I did a lot of collaborations with them. I gave
him interviews for articles because I was like a campus
team that was pro Trump and all that.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
It was.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
It was big fodder at that time for the culture
war stuff. And then I started asking them. I said,
why does the United States give Israel three point eight
billion dollars per year? Because at that point, the new
MoU had just passed a new memorandum of understanding that's
the foreign eight for Israel, and they actually increased it
and they expanded it for ten years. So I said,
why are they the number one recipient of foreign a

(14:14):
I said, you know, they're not a poor country, and
I don't even really know what the strategic value is there.
I said, so why since nineteen seventy eight uninterrupted have
they been number one and number two and number three?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
It's the same story. It's Egypt and Jordan.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
They're the second and third biggest recipients, and we basically
pay them because they normalized relations with Israel. It's like
a bribe. I said, So, you know, what do you
make of this whole arrangement? I said, is it because
they are our closest to ally and I'm missing something?
I said, Or are we being lobbied? And there's this
deep contradictory.

Speaker 10 (14:47):
Okay, I don't know if people are just dim dim
with it or what. But on the world stage, if
the Middle East is constantly at war, why strategically would

(15:13):
you not want an alley ally.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
In the Middle East.

Speaker 11 (15:21):
That can help regulate all the foolishness going on? Because
if dairy groups in the Middle East have biological weapons,
nuclear weapons, dirty bombs and are just allowed to carry

(15:44):
on terror unchecked for some reason, the rest of the
world is gonna feel.

Speaker 10 (15:51):
Some type of way. So it is not just America
supports history. There's a lot of other countries in as well.
This is a weird American narrative from a twenty six
year old. We never left the country, motherfucker ain't shit.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
You never gonna be shit. And that to Clander's own
the walls way shit.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
And double standard. And it's obviously being enforced by foreign
influence in money. And I remember they hated the line
of questioning and.

Speaker 7 (16:21):
Who when you say that, you're referring to this friend.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Group, Yes, this Daily Wire friend group.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
They were all writers there and you could still find
their articles online. And they you know, at first it
was sort of playful. They said, oh, ha, very good.
They almost thought I was joking, you know, they said, oh,
it's very funny, you know, but you really shouldn't ask that,
they would say. I'd say, you know, there's a good
answer for all those questions, they'd say, But the way you're.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Asking it is anti Semitic, they said.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
And you know, we're happy to talk with you one
on one in person, like like they're gonna teach me
how to ask a question, they said, because the way
you're saying it, it's just it sounds hateful and it's wrong,
And I said, I'm asking a question. It's free marketplace
of idea, I thought. So I kept pushing and pushing,
and I was tugging on a lot of these different threads.

Speaker 12 (17:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
I was also asking about World War two and about
some of the narratives there, and I was asking about
nine to eleven in the Iraq War?

Speaker 7 (17:12):
Or where are you asking this? Are you in a
group chat?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Are you just face to face like with your friends
eating a burger?

Speaker 13 (17:18):
Like?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Where when you say, I keep asking these questions, what's
the set up for.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
That we're texting in group chats and we're even doing
it one on one?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know, one of the venues.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
We had a big Christmas party out in western Massachusetts
and Cassie Dyllan invites me back to her apartment with
a couple of friends and everyone's drinking wine. I don't drink,
so I wasn't drinking. But we're playing Apples to Apples
and it's a party atmosphere. You know, we're friends, we're
having fun, we're political, we're talking about it, and this
is the venue. And it just got increasingly cold over time,

(17:49):
and it eventually turned into stop, Like you need to
stop asking or else. And eventually, you know, I kept
pushing on a lot of these different things. Cassie hits
me up on Twitter and she texts me this huge
block text paragraph and she says, you know, we're not
in the same movement anymore. She goes, I don't really

(18:10):
recognize what you're about in your views.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
She says, I'm pro Israel.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
She goes, and the things you're asking, the things you're
saying about Ben Shapiro and other people. She goes, you know,
I'm just not a part of that movement. And she said,
so we can't be friends anymore. So she stops talking
to me, cuts me off completely. All the other people
block me, Elliott Aaron, there are some other people involved.
They all block me on Twitter, complete ghosting.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
And I'm shocked. I'm floored.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
You know, this is my first encounter with this kind
of pushback, you know, because you go into it as
an eighteen year old in college and you get involved
in these groups. I was involved in the Trump campaign, yal,
all these groups, and you think this is the free marketplace,
we're here to debate ideas. It's you know, it's a
free speeder.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
It's not debating ideas to say World War two, Hitler
may the point that is not the free market of ideas.
Revisionist history has never been in the free market of ideas.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
You wasn't an academic.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
No, you will actually visially go against people who say
revision is sent you because you're like, you're intentionally trying
to change up for a reason.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Why, Because y'all that's.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
When you specifically all kind will actually start saying a
lot of why.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
He's like, why are you doing this?

Speaker 5 (19:31):
There's no reason. There are books there are like they're historians.
There's no reason for it. There's proof ou Schwitz is there,
like there are things like ou Schwitz is actually.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Saying, like you can visit, like you can go like yo, they.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Actually encourage you in Germany to be like, you know
what mistakes will make. We're not gonna tear it down
because first of all, we're not allowed to because there
are gun to trade on us right now to say, Mitch.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Don't drive his barge's history.

Speaker 12 (20:04):
So what are you like?

Speaker 5 (20:06):
I'm just asking, No, you're not, especially in college, You're
not just as a question, you're being a troll for one,
So don't a innocent say you being a troll and
be good done with it. People could actually probably get
behind that, like, Okay, you just throwing nobody really you
don't really believe that shit. But if you're like, I'm
just asking a question about six million cookies, boy shut up.

(20:28):
Ain't gonna use six million cookie as ovens your nuts.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
It's bad.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
It's in bad taste. And again because he's gonna try
to blow it up like he's doing comedy. No, it's
in bad taste, especially when you've got a whole movement
of goofballs online trolling the people because they believe that
you ain't three quarters hispanic.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Your last name is float test hell. That part that's
boy shut up was the first I was like, I
can't take this seriously.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Save this fweat test David due because of shame, and
you've the graded time for It's.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Like, David, what should listen?

Speaker 5 (21:03):
The Grand Dragon is quick because he's like, the movement
is dead man, how do you corrupt.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
The while listen?

Speaker 5 (21:15):
You you the White supremacy movement because you're actually being mayor.
You have infiltrated the group and made the group look
bad by going so extreme and making it so hypocritical.
Because again, if you're Caucasian and you're like, I'm for this,
I'm for the increase and straining of the white race

(21:38):
whatever that means. Cool, boy, that's a quarter of you.
The three quarters of you would whoop your ass being
a part of this movement. What are you talking about?
Zar shout and say? And then Washington strut condemning clans
just for having a white husband, which we all should,
but him being three quarters hispanic. What's everybody has to remember?

(22:02):
This is a three questions like this this bed is
this bed is not white American. He is a He
is bad as a quarter of white. And he is
out here talking about you. Boy, hush, you are an
American project gone wrong. He's everything wrong with the American

(22:23):
degree Jesus Christ atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
And I'm also thinking we're all pro Trump, and that's
another big dimension.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Of this is me.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Trump was a huge influence on me.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
He made me a nationalist when I was a conservative,
and America first was that operative phrase. You know, I
wasn't any longer a small government, you know, constitutional individualist.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
I said, I'm America first. I'm about America everywhere.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
And so there's this deep contradiction on the Trump strain
in particular, and what they're pushing, And I.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Said, it really shouldn't be there.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
If we're America first on China, Mexico, Russia, everybody else, NATO,
why aren't we America first on Israel? So this was
deeply disconcerting and weird and disturbing to me, and I
was honestly just taken aback. I was like, why are it's.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
The love of love entitlement that a child but grown
people is like, we can't fuck with you like that
because you've said it's crazy shit and you know you are.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
And he's like, I was just so kicking that. Oh,
my friends turned the back up.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
They don't want to lose they and they're Jewish. It like,
some people aren't self haters. Some people I like canvas.
Some people aren't actual self haters.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Specially Jews. Gotta have pride. So when somebody's out here saying.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
You know.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
It have been only three times the cookies a set
of ten, they're like, Sarah, get the fuck out, Like
what are you babbling about right now? And again, you
are an eighteen year old. I'm not about to lose
my mind over some food.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Still in college and where's your mama?

Speaker 5 (24:05):
Disowned had to be disowned because the moment she heard
you're like, oh god, such a husband. No, you got
to have white I'm not supported doing this ship.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Yes we're Broman Catholic, but god damn what, it's no far.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
My friends now turning their back on me because of
a disagreement.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well fast, And.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
That's even racist because most so's like, boy, you are
following the religion of Everyspetic in the world and using
that to weapons. Has your racism and you are three
quarters aspetic.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
You can't leave America. You can't go down south anthy
pex Texas you go. You have to go. You have
to go. Wasn't he the name Fen doesn't know who
the fuck you are. Cartel gonna get you.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Anything past makes those absolute to go and get you
South America don't don't matter of fact, you be one
of the passport bros.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Go to Columbia. No Columbia, Oh Columbia that looks white.
As you see how that works out for you, He
won't come back forward.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I'm doing my show on RSPN. This is in my
second semester, so this is winter and spring twenty seventeen,
and I'm doing the show. The show's going, okay, I'm
not getting great viewership. Nobody was. And I get a
call from my boss, Joe Seals, who runs RSPN, and
he goes, you know, you got to keep this between us.
He says, but did something happen between you and Cassie?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Is she still doing her show too? I said, yeah,
you know, we have this.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Remember this is behind a paywall. This behind it does here.
Here we go on the podcast.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Alright, listen, this is behind Clangs's two dollars payball that
I didn't pay for.

Speaker 14 (26:07):
But because Nicholas J. Flint is Jay probably stands for
Jose or Porterhead, one of his people obviously stripped it
from Kansas's website and uploaded it because Kansas is cybersecurity,

(26:29):
ain't shit.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Bec suspitch a stupid But the bitch is not only.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Using him or trying to use him for as the
kids say, cloud, because she feels that her anti Semitism
is not strong enough.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Therefore she has to get King Dragon anti Semite.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
On board, not realizing a his powers of manipulations far
surpassed over one kandas owns because he has managed to
convince a whole bunch of American born what why?

Speaker 4 (27:07):
And I guess I don't know what the fucking niggas
call yourself? That he is not his fan.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
And Candas doesn't understand the power of that type of
manipulation is the power she will never grasp because even
though the hair in her head does not look like
it grew out of it, she is quite black.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Her name is Candas. You know Kandas supposed to try
to talk it.

Speaker 12 (27:33):
She's not.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
She is black woman. He's an idiot, She's a black woman.
Garth Gandessy. She's in control of this situation, but Candas
is not. We're about to shot see of just devolved
and the badness because Cannison's narcissism and this is absolutely

(27:59):
what Kandas can Canna lose control the entire conversation because
Kansas isn't going to understand realize that she is.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Friends with a Jew who hates himself. And Nicholas J.
F Went is the Hispanic is very against.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Jesus and it's not Jewish, so he has something over Candace.
He does not affiliate or associate with any Jews because
he is actually to the Gore and to Semitic. He
is going to proceed to call out Candas on her
affiliation with Jews. Candace is going to do more tactis.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Spinning and differing that a gay in a prime parade.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
This woman is insane and I wish it was theater,
but she literally is gonna get passionate about.

Speaker 13 (28:48):
It, Like.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
You can't blame her for being born that way.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
I'm like, you can't say that, Candace, not you. You're
not allowed to do that, Miss anti gay. You're not
allowed to do born this way. You're not allowed to
do that argument. You're not allowed to do that, miss
born in poverty conditions because you're back people.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Remember, you're not allowed to do that argument.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
See it's kind of crazy when you're back to get
as the corner and you want to go on the
third rail up and that semtism and he's like, you.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Have a self hating jewel in your shiruffle.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
I can't take you seriously. And that is the anti
semi saying this. You're heppanic again. Walking hypocrisy is calling
you out of your hypocrisy and you can't battle it back.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
First of all, he is almost ten years younger than her.
There's no need for him to be maneuvering her out,
like that's there's no.

Speaker 12 (29:43):
For you.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
I wish the child, I wish the twenty six year
old like this wood talks to you. When you allowed
this to happen more than five seconds, you'd be like, boy.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
You are hyspan. What it's like, stop audio, stop talking.
There is the walking contradiction. If you can be a
walking contradiction.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
That's why I'm like, she knows she had to put
this behind the pay well because in retrospect, you're like,
very you gotta beat you got to have to be
a fight this little child, Like you got to put
this behind this because ay, yeah, it's gonna be good publicity.
But be you can't just post us up on YouTube
because everybody with gross nobody would say you were at
the upper hand when they a know who he is

(30:22):
because he is infamous and lives in his infamy. You
are playing infamous but playing innocent at the same time.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
The problem is infamous will.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Call you out on your bullshit because they've lived in
the darkness and they live in the mud.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
He's perfectly fine with being the lion of hypocrite.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
You think you're the upper hand because you're a quote
unquote Christian.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
He's direct. That's what I'm like.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
She's facing the final boss right now and thinking that
she could just cruise through being whoever she is, Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Falling out blah blah blah. Yeah, he goes.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
She's been calling me every day for the past two weeks.
He goes, and she's telling me, well, you know, Nick
said this on his show. Isn't that so racist? Nick
said this on his show. Isn't that so hateful? That's
not conservative, he says, And she's been trying to get
you fired, calling me literally, it.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Is all these Bettan Kanye West.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
But we will get to that because it's all Kanye's
fault because Kanye is associated with both of these thoughs. No,
these talentless hacks have been not only the proximity, have
the direct lad and the phone number as and he
talked to them more than he probably should, meaning on
like a weekly a monthly basis. Two two talentless hacks,

(31:42):
one mixed breed who denies his three quarter Hispanic heritage,
and one who is so anti American she married a
white aristocrat from Britain, meaning that as much as she
talks about white American men, didn't even marry one. Ain't
that bitch.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Nope, May'm not gonna bring that shit up. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, every day for two weeks. I said, wow, I said,
I can't say I'm surprised. I said, she gave me
this very cold, standoff fish thing. You know, she blocked
me all the rest. He goes, Not only that, he's
a pastor. He says, she's talking to me about converting
to Judaism, which of course she now has. You know,
fast forward all this time later, about a year ago,
she marries some Israeli guy and she converts to Judaism,

(32:31):
and he goes, you know, I'm a Christian, he's an
evangelical pastor, he says, and I'm trying to talk her
in off the ledge. I don't know what's gone into
her all this, and so this was how my college
career began.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
That's sort of what created me and.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
Talk as an evangelical pastor, talk the woman off the
ledge of making the horrible decision of confirming that satanis
I mean, sorry, concern that is, I apologize, talk her
off the led because she's obviously a lunatic, because she
has made the disgusting decision to become Jewish because that's

(33:09):
what her husband is. But if a woman was Muslim
or Jewish, she would be expected to convert to Christianity
if her.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Husband was Christian. I find no iron in your hypocrisy
in any of this, not at all.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Then for the next three four or five months, my
life turned upside down where it was these people like Cassie.
This guy Cabot Phillips, he's I think he was a
campus reform I think he might be a daily Wire now.
His father, Tim Phillips, ran this big nonprofit, Americans for Prosperities,
friends with Morton black or Morton Blackwell from Leadership Institute.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
This guy was coming at me.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
He was on me all the time on Twitter, and
these people are just pushing this line. Nick Fuentis is
all right, he's a white nationalist, he's a Jew hater,
he's an anti semi And you know me at that time,
as an eighteen year old guy, I'm thinking, I'm just
asking questions, you know.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Mind you He did.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Not rejected that would just live it at them. He
just said, as an eighteen year old, I would just
say I was asking questions. He never said he did
not not any Jews. He did not not say he
is not not a white nationalist, even though he only

(34:37):
a quarter white. The boy is a lunatic. But again
Clandis has said nothing. It has let this man his
prot along for.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Like twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I'm just doing what we're supposed to do. It's free speech.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I'm America first, the rest of it, and then the
first big hit piece was actually written about me by
media matters. Come to find out media matters sore. First
the material from Cassie Dylon. She sent one of my clips,
and I'll admit, you know, it wasn't the finest clip.
I stand by it, but it was, you know, the
way that I said it was sort of unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
But she took a clip.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
From it was something about something I'm like ninety percent short.
So the stand buying my statement thing, I understand, is
a trend started by Donald J.

Speaker 13 (35:29):
Trump.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Stand by mistake.

Speaker 12 (35:34):
The black boy.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Yes, you should feel them niggas who out here, Raye
Sa and you out here just saying that Donald J.
Trump is out here calling niggas niggas flint.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
That's not true. We know Joe Biden called niggas niggas,
So hush and be even team. My point is he
called all in the worst way possible. I'll say, words
of buff.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Body and this man is still walking around why in Florida.
Well then again, remember yet Georgia man, yep, don't say
all you need to talk.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Shit to Disney the show.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
She sent it to Media Matters and they did this
big hit piece about me, and then I had the
left breathing down my neck, right Wing Watch, Media Matters,
all the rest of them. And this was kind of
like the launch of my career. They were trying to
throttle me in the crib.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Just how do you how do you know that Cassie
sent the clip to Media Atters.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
This was told to me by Joe Seals.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Okay, okay, got it. So she was sending around clips
from your show, right.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
And and that's their move. That's what they do, you know.
As you know, and the show wasn't even big. I
had like a hundred live viewers. I would get a
thousand views per episode. But they were on top of this.
And even Ben Shapiro, you know, he quote tweeted one
of my tweets and said, you know, because I said
something to the effect of, if you're in Mexico, first
live in Mexico. If you're China first, live in China,

(37:14):
you're Israel first, live in Israel. And he quote tweets
me on Christmas Eve and says, well, that's the surest
sign you're an anti semi is to accuse a Jew
of dual loyalty. And I'm sitting there like, it's true.
You know you you do have dual loyalty. You're gonna
sit there and say you don't. So this was like
the It's Madden.

Speaker 15 (37:32):
A smart person would have rolled it back and be like,
I'm not saying you have to do boys, just saying
I'm not sure who you affiliate yourself.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
If you're saying I'm.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
A really and I'm American, I'm even bit forming an
argument that would make a little bit of sense. It's
still wrong. But he could have retorted with this, he said,
but you are as if he knows their passport or

(38:06):
their life as someone under the age of twenty five,
the boy should have had from then. But this is
the real world for lead, y'all.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Just is ain't hell here.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
You know, it's literally will drive you crazy because by
definition it's gaslighting, because you see it.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
If you're a logical person.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
It's obvious, and you know, this is something that maybe
is helpful to explain my mindset.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
I'm pushing on all these narratives, the foreign aid, the
Iraq War, all of it, and I'm waiting for someone
to tell me here's all the evidence, the obvious evidence
that it isn't all just a big thing, it's not
just a big conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
And I'm asking a good faith where.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Is that evidence, Cassie, my friend, and all the rest
of them. And instead of getting an answer, I'm getting
and I'm getting clipped out of context. They're selling me
out to the left. I'm getting called names. And you know,
from the very start this made me extremely cynical and
resentful and furious about the whole thing. And I said,

(39:15):
I'm like it war now with the whole conservative establishment
and the same opportunities for advancement that other people are getting,
you know, they get their spot on Fox News, or
they get to run a turning point chapter, you know,
you name it. I'm now being closed off because there's
this smear campaign now going on behind the scenes of

(39:36):
powerful connected people at Daily Wire, a whisper campaign telling everybody.
This guy's an anti semit And this went on really
for many years, goes on until this day.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
But that was sort of my origin story. That's how
I got started.

Speaker 7 (39:48):
Okay, so you're eighteen years old when that happened.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
How old are you now? I'm twenty six.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
Okay, so that was a.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Long time ago.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yes, And since then would you say that, going through
that period of being rejected.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
As an old person, how much do you mature from
the age of eighteen to twenty six?

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Why did you do that? I'm just asking siple questions.
What a lot you mature a lot? Yes, well what
should one would hope? Alright, what about this generation eighteen
to twenty six? How much have been intelligence captain between
the eighteen year old and twenty six?

Speaker 13 (40:24):
Gar ol? Huge?

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Really you believe so between eighteen and twenty six in
this generation? I mean you believe there's that, but really
not what was previous. I think it's shrunk.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
A lot.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
You said twenty six, Yeah, that's no. Remember that's a
I get that's college. You gone through college. They probably
living in your parents' house. Now say twenty five, I
would say nothing. Oh, you're ridiculous. So you're telling me that.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Wait, so you're telling me the transition between twenty five
and twenty six is that big?

Speaker 4 (41:00):
That's when I get kicked off the insurance.

Speaker 12 (41:02):
Brilliant, got to gotcha? Got you?

Speaker 5 (41:05):
Well, he might be a fraid he's a twenty fresh
twenty six, so I'll give you twenty five minutes. So
between twenty five and eighteen nothing. Okay, This makes it
ninety so similar to the transition of a girl between
seventeen and eighteen yees or eighteen nineteen. Yeah, okay, all right,
that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
So he's an idyant, yes, all right, just making sure.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
And you were literally just asking questions for people who
were your friends and then kind of sold down the river.

Speaker 7 (41:34):
Did that that make you go? Okay?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
No, Actually I do hate Juice because of what you're
doing to me. I'm now responding, and my response is
I hate you all.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
No.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
I never said I hated all Jews, and I've always
had Jewish friends. You know, Laura Lumer actually used to
be a friend of mine back in twenty eighteen. We
did a show together in June twenty eighteen. I hate
a Jewish assistant. At one point in twenty nineteen, after
the groper war. I'm a Catholic. I've always been a Catholic.
I'm a cradle Catholics. So I've never hated anybody.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
You know, that would mean you actually do hate Julie
because the cruise of back Christ because of him beat.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
A Jew again. It makes sense. He knows what he's saying.
She too dubbed understand it because she's gottling.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I do have some provocative statements and some controversial views,
but I never said they're attacking me now I hate
them all.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I never took it that far.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
But what it did do is it demonstrated that you know,
where there's smoke, there's fire. Clearly, if you're pushing on
something and you get that hard of a pushback, I'm
thinking I'm not a big deal. I'm an eighteen year
old kid. I don't have a big show. What do
people care what I have to say. If I'm pushing
on this and I'm getting forceful response from these institutions,

(42:50):
Campus Reform, Daily Wire, the rest of it, I'm thinking
something must be up. So what I did is I
just kept pursuing that line of inquiry and saying, well,
you know, if this is what they don't want us
to talk about. This is what we should be talking about.
Obviously there's something they're hiding there. And this led what
I would describe it as, is like an eight year inquiry.

(43:12):
You know, I've been digging into this subject for eight years,
and it's sort of a difficult subject because since it
is so taboo, and since it is so censored, there's
like this layered deception where the first layer is they
make it so that you don't even want to think
about it.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
No one wants to be thinking.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
About the Jews, you know, or Israel, and certainly nobody
wants to be on the wrong side of that. No
one wants to be called an anti semit or a
Nazi or a Hitler. That sort of layer one.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
But layer two.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Because there's so much censorship, you don't even know where
to get the information. If somebody wants to know more
about this topic, try googling it. All the search results
are curated. If you go on Wikipedia, the sources are curated.
So where do you go next, Well, you have to
go to the kooks and the cranks and people that
have been canceled, some of them and canceled because there
are hateful.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
People in this world that do hate Jews.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
There are people out there that are schizophrenic, but they're
lumped in, censored and called names and banished from society,
just like the real scholars, just like people like ron oons,
just like people like Michael Collins, Piper, you know, people
that have investigated this and art intelligent, logical people, and
so once you sort of descend into the second layer,

(44:24):
you know, the second ring of hell, of being and
anti Semite.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
I don't think anybody has ever said Adolph Hitler was
an idiot.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Muscle engineering, that's the word she said.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Yeah, emotional engineering. The way you could even get as
far as he did. You have to have some monicum
of intelligence. You have to have some type of intelligence,
even if you have a good mouthpiece, in order to
formulate the words in order to make a rally cry
that causes that type of unheaval in a country.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
That has not really been known for that type.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Of craziness out of nowhere, you have to have a
level of intailgent. So no one has ever said he
was stupid, So for the narrative to be because you
are intelligent and logical, you cannot be strongly bigoted, a

(45:37):
genocidal It's crazy.

Speaker 16 (45:40):
But that is a very academic argument because their push
is the more you know, the harder it is to
hate other people.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
That is their argument.

Speaker 16 (45:49):
This is why diverson is important, because the when you
actually get to meet someone in person or understand their culture,
it is harder to hate.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
So when you have.

Speaker 16 (46:02):
A personal knowledge of Oh so see that's very much
to other elites.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Oh sure, because again he's an academic. But this is
me as an academic and as somebody who's just smarter
than all these motherfuckers. That's bullshit. Why because if you
meet somebody from Baltimore and you were not racist, you
will immediately become racist. If you meet somebody from the

(46:30):
Rocks and you said black people are an intelligent people,
because all people are intelligent, and then you go to
New York.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
You're like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 17 (46:40):
Which is why Hispanics immediately went across the board become racist.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Justifiably so because.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
If they're like, we're kind of struggling, and we know
that they've struggled before, so they're gonna empathize dark light
and they're like, fuck you, and don't no, I mean
to speaking as I can understand that. That's why I'm like,
there's a point where the academics who've never actually experienced
it are saying things, and then there's people like Douglas

(47:09):
Murray who will sign on academics and be like, you mean,
you've never been on the borders, You've never been to Egypt,
you never been to Israel, and you have a very
strong opinion about this, a very very visceral opinion about this,
and you've never actually been there.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
You're calling it a concentration camp. How do you know?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
How do you know?

Speaker 5 (47:28):
I know what a concentration camp is. You're using a
lot of hyperbole and you've never been there.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Well, you've never been to Germany.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Yeah, you can't time travel, but you can't actually travel,
so you can absolutely go over season be like, how
do they live in Dubai and talk that same American
raw roschan over there? And see how quick you get
thrown in jealousy. Oh, I guess it's customs and courtesies.
You see, That's something we learned in the military about

(47:58):
customs and courtesies. That you go to another country and
you move in that country the way that country tells
you to move. American imperialism don't mean fuck oh would
you cross that border?

Speaker 18 (48:09):
That?

Speaker 5 (48:09):
So I'm like, it is super weird. Well people talk
like this, it's like really weird. But then you know
they ain't never been nowhere.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
And you have to parse out the information and discern
what's real, what's vake? You know, is it a religious thing,
is it a racial thing, is it an Israel thing,
a nation state thing? And then there's subtleties even beyond that,
you know, things we've been getting into, I've been getting
into on my show for the past few years.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
The deception is so much.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
More convoluted and nuanced and subtle and ubiquitous that even
people think, you know a lot of people think, and
you know, not to kind of leap right into the topic,
but people have a vague notion Israel has too much
influence over our government. That's really just the tip of
the iceberg. Because then you get into some of these

(48:58):
people that have coalesced around Trump in the past couple
of years after October seventh, and it's like there's an
obvious reason why there's elements in the right. There's almost
this form of camouflage they'll do and one day they're
limited government, another day they're white nationalists, you know, guys
like Stephen Miller who will present as very racialist and

(49:19):
very nationalistic, very conservative, but yet still extremely loyal to Israel.
And you start to say, it's not just that Israel
influences the government. It's not just there's some vague thing
going on. There is this pervasive penetration of our society
by a fifth column. And it's so sophisticated and multidimensional

(49:41):
and spans many disciplines. It's such a huge topic that
you almost have to be a little bit insane to
tackle it and to get to the bottom of it,
which is sort of me going through.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
The looking glass over the past eight years.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
All right, So I'm going to tell you where I
agree with you and where I don't agree with you.
But first I just want to ask you going back
to your high school years, because obviously you were very
dialed in. You cared about politics. I think you mentioned
that you were involved with the UN. What did you
say when you were.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
In high school? Model UN and what's that?

Speaker 7 (50:09):
What organization is that?

Speaker 3 (50:10):
It's like it's like a debate club. Okay, but you
simulate the United Nations.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
So politics, politics was a passion for you, Yes, Okay.
You mentioned that you're Catholic. Yes, raised cradle Catholic. You said, yes,
mom and dad in the home.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Okay, So I think on your show, so uh that
you mentioned your mom a lot. Were they together married?

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Okay, so you your parents are still married. Yes, to
come from a pretty good home. It sounds like obviously,
so I have a good relationship with your parents.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
And so they allowing the boy to be oh society,
he lives at home, he has to They're like he
has to be tagged, like they have to be just
making out a lot for this, like that's the only
reason they haven't come out against him, Like they have
to be making a lot of they in the real world,

(51:02):
because there's no way, no way in hell. You three
quarter Hispanic, and theyre this is a game to them,
This has to be this is a joke. And it's
insane because these dude booms are having a whole bunch
of ventureol against Israel and no vitriol, just China. They're

(51:27):
talking about Israeli influenced in American politics and China's influenced
in America?

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Are they insane? Are they nuts?

Speaker 5 (51:38):
They're worried about anybody in Israel and China on the
world stage right now.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
I was saying, y'all country ain't shit.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
All while influence y'all policy and y'all using their device
they on TikTok, right facts.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
That's why I'm like, what are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
You went to Boston University, everything going great for you.
You kind of should be, like you said, maybe offered
a contributorship on Fox News and your whole life kind
of gets derailed.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
What I'm gonna push back on you is to say
that you didn't have this anger where you applied it
to everyone because one of the and I don't have
this clip, but I know that recently and this was
after I was fired from the Daily Wire. You kind
of went on the attack about me speaking to Dave Smith,
right and saying, actually, I think we do have that clip, Skylard,

(52:27):
I think we do have that clip of the me
speaking to Dave Smith.

Speaker 7 (52:30):
Do you want to run that clip?

Speaker 5 (52:33):
So she's a ridiculous person because she's trying to do
the Trump thing, but she has like, no, she can't act.
So she was like, yeah, we don't have it. Wait,
we do got that clip? Can you run that clip?
Were you didn't have any clips of him talking shit

(52:57):
about you, and he brought him on the show.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
How fit about you?

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Are we to truly believe Candice, whatever the fuck owens that.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
You had no idea this man was coming and you
weren't prepared.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
You again has been calling the wife of the Prince
Fred President a bad for the path couple of years, Like,
why are you worried about the friend?

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I don't care, mister stupid.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
She has nothing to do with me.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
She wants nothing to do with me, doesn't do anything
with me, no invitation, won't bring me on the space,
won't bring me on the show, no acknowledgment, nothing, But
she is gonna do a show with Dave Smith. You
Aiden Ross, you know? And I like Aiden Ross. I've

(53:53):
said that before. I like Aiden Ross. But it's like
you get canceled and attack by Jews and then you
go and give it away to all the Jews. Really
and finally eight and a half, again Candace.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Was unprepared for what she was getting herself into.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
And again the problem is how bad this makes everyone
in this situation look, because hey, she's right now going
to make an anti semi be the most rational person
in this entire conversation, and she's about to lose credibility

(54:37):
with everything, and we actually get to enjoy the downfall
of a one Candace Owens as you have a man
who is one hundred percent gives Jews, who we would
like to reiterate is three quarters suspect and the Roman Catholics.
So anybody take that for what you will. He is

(55:00):
going to go against Kandadas saying she is hypocritical because
she has been canceled by June, and she's going to
associate all for grievances and Arab all for grievances.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
With a bunch of Jews. Now, to be one hundred
percent clear, these are.

Speaker 19 (55:19):
Both two anti submedian people who are about to argue
or who's more anti submitted and the pure her anti
semi quota spanic three quart aspetic quarter way is going
is going to.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Have the moral high grow. It's about to have the
morror high grounds, all.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
For a insane woman who at any point in this
could say I'm done.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
It was fun.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
I was just doing this for money. I was doing
you for attention. It was a joke. But she in
real life, in real life, w to actually try to
defend her behavior. And unfortunately the anti semit is about to.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Have the moral high ground.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
Because this woman can't help us out. She can't. She
could have, do you know it would have been it
would have been better if she didn't play the clip,
you know that right, Like it would have been a
lot better if she didn't even play the clip, because
now that the clip is saying what insane, it makes

(56:40):
it ten times worse because she now has to box herself.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Out that bag. She could have just not gone down.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
The road of an Semtism, but now that we're here,
she has to literally box herself out the bag because
you're gonna have the king anti Semi like, explain yourself,
my child, why have you failed us? But he really
do bbqua like this likes about to be a pip
You're about to see ai and this boy is ten

(57:09):
years younger than her. So we are about to see
a pipal hole right now because right now Bread was
and I said, but I was about to look at
little and I said and say.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Bitch, you have fucked up the movement. Explain yourself.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
And she's gonna have to talk and she's gonna act
like she's on the defense on the she's.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
The one winning.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
That's the irony of it all, sir, So what are
your thoughts on Nick Fuentis And she gives this.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Load of.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
PC response.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
She goes, well, you know, when he was a kid,
he got attacked by them, and I understand why he would.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Be angry and why he would be mad about that.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
But he needs to grow up and figure out what
he wants to do. Oh really, oh really bought far
Guel Candace. Oh, he needs to figure out what he
wants to do. I think you need to figure that out.
Talk about accusing other people of that which you are guilty.

(58:13):
I think he needs to figure out what he wants
to do. I think you need to figure out what
you want to do, because you're full of and everyone
knows that you clearly have no idea what you're.

Speaker 7 (58:27):
Doing, no idea what I am doing.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
True, Uh, what did you mean? You didn't invite me
on the show?

Speaker 7 (58:35):
But what what does that?

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Just like, let's first go back to the first layer
of what you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (58:40):
She's speaking of Dave Smith. Yeah, what does that have
to do with anything?

Speaker 1 (58:44):
You call out the fact that I spoke to Dave Smith,
that I spoke to Aiden Ross I didn't speak to
them because they were Jewish. I also talked to Peers
Marty all of these shows following me being fired. So
you're just looking at the fact that these two I
didn't even know Aiden Ross was Jewish. I just had
a PR agent say do this.

Speaker 7 (58:59):
I didn't. I swear it's visibly, but just.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
So we're very clear, I genuinely had no idea. Your
PR person comes, here are the shows?

Speaker 7 (59:07):
Okay? Yes, yes, yes, yes, Dave Smith.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
We had amazing conversation when I was on the Daily Wire,
and so your purview here is, okay, well they're Jewish
and she's doing their shows while not saying to your
audience she's doing a bunch of other shows too. How
is that not you just kind of honing in before
we get to the y. You think I'm full of
yeah and don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Well, here's the beef, okay, and it's pretty simple.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
The fact she's bleeping it out because she's a Christian
is actually maddening to be a vent.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
So you're gonna show.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
Us the kids now, so kids will so you say
the content of the cursing that wouldn't throw tough kids off.
But the content of it, as in two raging anti semites.
That's fine to just showed your kids. Okay, bleep, work
out cuss words does be Christian. But this conversation makes sense.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Dave smash in my and I like Dave because I've
done a show with Dave too, and I think he's
a good guy. I respect him and he's super intelligent.
And you know, he gave me a chance when a
lot of people wouldn't. He had me on a show
and he defended me because he got attacked a lot
from the liberal That's why.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
You suck, because you get somebody who comes out and
defends you and has you on the show when you're
being canceled, and then you throw him under the bus
for what because like, I don't even know what your
beef is. It's like, why not just have a be
totally like, oh yeah, that was cool. We had a conversation.
I disagree with him on some points.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Well here's why, because I don't think that I should
be grateful for being given a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
It's not being grateful, it's just being a decent enough
human being. Forget grateful that you don't owe anybody anything.
But the point is is you kind of lament the
fact that you've been canceled. You lament the fact when
nobody will have your platform, and the very same breath
talk about being a hypocrite. You're going after Dave Smith
for what, like, why is she doing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Dave Smith Jewell, I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Tell you can I explain to what I can. So
my feeling on Dave Smith, And although I like him
is that, look, he is Jewish. He's also a libertarian,
which means that you know, when he talks about, for example,
the situation in Iran or Israel, he's an anti war guy.
He says, you know, Trump is a war criminal who
needs to be impeached. I don't believe in any of that.

(01:01:13):
I don't care that Trump violated international law. I care
that he's influenced by a foreign government, he said. On
another show, he said, Israel's a satellite.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Of the US.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
We're the Empire and they're our satellite. They're like our
aircraft carrier in the Middle East, which is something Joe
Biden said, who's an apac man? I think that Dave
Smith is somebody who because he's a paleo libertarian, like
Murray Rothbard, like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Ron Paul, like a lot of these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
He is someone who, because he's anti war, is sort
of forced to confront the Israel lobby because if you're
anti war ideologically, you have to talk about who's driving it,
which is the Israel lobby.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
But he's not somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
He's not a religious Christian, he's a religious Jew or
agnostic or atheist.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
He's not really a right wing guy. He's a libertarian.

Speaker 7 (01:02:02):
He's not a religious Jew.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
He says that he's proud of being Jewish. She's proud
of his ethnicity's proud of Jewish?

Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
Should he not be proud that he's you know, he's.

Speaker 13 (01:02:14):
That.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
You can't do that. You can't make that argument.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
He can't.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
He can't be proud. No, not what he's saying. He's
a raising anti He's like, yeah, he's Jewish.

Speaker 12 (01:02:29):
She's like, but he's not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Stop defending it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:33):
You have to bite that bullet and say accept his
world view.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
She has to Why is she trying to convince that right?

Speaker 13 (01:02:42):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Why why are you trying to convince it might not
to be anti Semitic.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
She's like that, why are you talking to about like
She's like, you got canceled by Jews. I would feel
a way, because I'm anti Semitic and you should come
to the first animitic person if you want to talk about.

Speaker 12 (01:02:58):
Who hate for Jews.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
But you went to Jews to talk about hate for Jews,
which is weird to me because a manti Semitic. And
she's like, well he's doing She's like, yes, that's the problem,
but he's not a practice.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Dude's like it doesn't matter. I'm like, what is happening
right now? What is insane? And she could stop at
any point, she could stop this, but nope, she can't
help herself. She's still going.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
So he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
He's not really one hundred percent aligned with my view.
Now here's why that matters.

Speaker 7 (01:03:25):
I think that it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
No, it does, It doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
It doesn't.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
I'll tell you it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
You can't say I want to create people in the
image of myself.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
No, and I'm no, but I'm completely ridiculous criticizing people
that Hitler literally did that, and there wasn't an image
of himself.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
It was the image that he idled, blue eyes, blond hair.
He did not have neither. So what is he Achievens
talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:03:51):
That is the primary thing of Nazism is to have
a whole a genius society. What is she talking about?
He's all about homogeneity? Is he correct?

Speaker 12 (01:04:03):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
Because he is three quarter Sispeanic, but his philosophy is
sound in.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
What their perspective was.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
So for her to say that it is either intellection
to disingenuous or she's an idiot.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
She's aniot. She has to be an idiot.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
And I have to chop it up to her being stupid,
because honestly, anybody, you don't have to be a you're
not even historian. You understand that everybody that's the whole pectly,
Why so I'm just like, you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Want to make a copy of yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
That is insane because and she has to say that
because she's in an interracial marriage.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
She has to that's the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Like she could just say I just found somebody at love,
but she has.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
To do this weird old stuff, so she can't even
stand up.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
That's when, like I don't know, that's when I don't
know if it's that's when when I think she's short circuited.
Like it's like she's like forced to face herself in
this moment because she's she knows she's a walking contradiction.
But he can fight his way out of that back
because he's been doing it so long and he can

(01:05:09):
hit every point to the gate. The fact is last
name is Squint. He can literally hit all of her
points and distract her. But she could just at the
key point like, boy, your name is sweater Ship, the
fuck up we done here? But she can't even go
down that line because she like, your name is Canada's
Owens and you are abomination to me and it's gonna
offend her and she can't even That's why she can't stand.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
I'm like, ma'am, you're breaking down now.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
You're getting emotional now because you're not even listening to
his argument and he's simply saying it is weird.

Speaker 17 (01:05:40):
If you're claiming you don't like Jewsy, you're going down
this road. If Jews did everything conspiracy theory cool. You
can't be doing the conspiracy theory thing.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
About that with Jews because that's self hating and I
don't support that allegedly even though he is absolutely a
self hating.

Speaker 12 (01:06:01):
Do I need to be more?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
That was a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Jesus sad clinically that I disagree with, and I to
put it very succinctly. I think that this conversation about
Israel has blown up, It's gotten out of their control.
Everyone's getting red pilled. They want to control the conversation.
And I think that Dave Smith is somebody that because
he's Jewish, because he's libertarian, they have selected him as

(01:06:28):
a convenient spokesperson for it because he's not really he
doesn't really have a problem with Jews and their jewish Ness.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
He doesn't really.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Talk about the whole Fifth Column aspect of it. He
talks about a very narrow aspect of it, which is
there's this Israel lobby and they're sort of influential, and
they're driving us toward That's one small selection.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
You think, just to clarify, you think he's like a
psychological operation.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Yeah, yeah, effectively, yes, And I don't think he's he's
doing that knowingly, but I think that they're they're creating
the bounds of the debate by having him be the spokesperson, because.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Who is choosing him as a spoken I mean, John,
I could not disagree.

Speaker 7 (01:07:08):
With that more. I just want to say that I
just I patently disagree with you. I'm this one. This
is this is crazy. I think that he has moved
the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
For she has to.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
She has to because if she acknowledges that he's a
token for Israel bashing, she's a token. She has to
say that because they're in the same vein the same
way that he's half Jewish is the same way that
she is black and conservative. You are a check mark,
as in, there ain't too many like you. They would

(01:07:38):
do this stupid shit and do all of it. And
you just so happened to have a white husband too, and.

Speaker 12 (01:07:44):
He's not an American.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
Oh, you are a perfect token, a perfect token, and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
You can articulate a few words.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
You're not a friend, and you just want attention and
you want some money. Oh, we'll push you for You
have to acknowledge that, especially if that's your friend. That's
your friend, that's your friend. Just saying Kanya is a token,
You're a token. These members of token you either have
Jews talking about Jews, don't again the Jews and trying

(01:08:16):
to switch the narrative sounds like terrorist propaganda. That's how
they use it, social engineering.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
It's how they use it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
They use useful idiots who will absolutely go against their
own country. They like being the bad guy, but when
the real bad guy shows up and calls you on
your shit and you want to back up, that's like, no,
you gotta stand in it now, Dinah Bowdy webs bullshit.
You gotta say, yes, I'm a hypracrit, Yes I'm a token,

(01:08:49):
but nope, you can't help myself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Or so much for first and almost a lot of
American Jews to have the courage to even question is
real because in the same way that we were kind
of brought up in the classroom with the I guess
you want to call it emotional engineering around the Holocaust.
Learning about the Holocaust is like the biggest, most evil
event that ever happened.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
That the emotional engineering about the Holocaust.

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
Now, so I'm assuming because then she's gonna go down
the line of how it's emotional engineering for October seventh,
because that's how they parallel this. So it's emotionally engineering
for nine eleven. Yes, they do believe that, They truly
believe that nine to eleven was an emotional engineer's job,
that those people's deaths were emotionally engineered, as in the

(01:09:38):
people didn't really die. That's like the logic of it
makes no sense, as in, so we're going to pretend
that the Holocaust didn't happen, whether it's the amount or
at all. That's do you know what engineering means?

Speaker 16 (01:09:50):
Okay, again, this is another I don't believen think she
did it, but I can tell you what other.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Probably said. So this is another one that is a
popular retort.

Speaker 12 (01:10:06):
It's that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
And recently a Jewish.

Speaker 16 (01:10:09):
Scholar went and made this argument, and he went on
and he did it beautifully.

Speaker 12 (01:10:14):
Beautifully she did not.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
But what he was saying.

Speaker 16 (01:10:18):
But what he was saying is that he secatared the
schools teaching about the Holocaust because all they focus on
is the emotional impact and.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Not how we get here?

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
What is it?

Speaker 13 (01:10:31):
Right?

Speaker 12 (01:10:31):
And so he.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
So what it's like, She's like, right here.

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
Audience, I'm articulated. Even better, I'm articulated in this perspective.
Shut up, guess ron is we're recording so you can.
You're not gonna hold this against me because you know
what funk I'm doing. It's just an example. So the
reason why slavery being taught in schools is not BIFTI slavery.

(01:11:02):
The reason why slavery is being taught into incorrectly is
because they're just speaking about the impact of slavery. They're
not talking about how we even got our fucking brain
to get there. They never even talked about hey, instead
of also all just kind of working together, and you know,

(01:11:22):
somebody pays for somebody for labor. You know how normal
shit happens, commerce, whatever, community building. We're going to subjugate
a group strictly based off of esthetics because they have
the perception or the reality of being number than us

(01:11:44):
due to us having more whatever the fuck English weapons,
in new resources, whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Just even the will to conquer that area.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
And then also discussed the people who sold said individuals
to people who look different than them, which is a
more difficult compensations people will never have after the fact
that they saw that resources that they never had before
are useful like guns and gold and other shit, and

(01:12:17):
learning about trade and trading people for resources. So again,
those a whole bunch of fun, complicated compensations. So parallel
that with the Nazi shit, as in, how do we
even let a little type psychopathic man with a ridiculous
as mustachs get into this position? And how many people
kept turning up blind eye when she kept building the
building and building and building and building and building the building, in.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Fact that you wake up one day like, how the
hell did this happen? Jesus flying Yes, so yes.

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
These are very, very deeper than children compensation, meaning you
can have this is an idiot and she is unable
to even grasp that concept, and she can't do it.
The thing is, if she went down that line thinking,
it would un her entire world view and she'd have
to stop, can't. I'm saying no, I'm saying she no.

(01:13:06):
I'm not saying inability. I'm saying I think she actually
has the capability and brain power to do it. She
she morally can't do it because based on her morals
and ethics, on how she's moving right now, she can't
because if she started going down how did this happen?
In reverse engineer Nazism and slavery, she'd have to break it.

Speaker 12 (01:13:26):
She have to break I'm saying she is more that
is morally attractive to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Some academics.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
Yes, I understand that, because but because it's a distortion,
That's what I'm saying, because she's not well read enough
to actually go it to its logical end. The logical
end is slavery and Nazism. Obviously that is the logical end.
She's using that as the beginning and building off of that,
as opposed to going backwards and saying how did it start?

(01:13:55):
Meaning how did people get there? She can't get there. Yeah,
So when we're sitting talking about all that nonsense again,
she she is the reason why academics hate Flavor.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
She's the reason because she's a Wikipedia scholar facts.

Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
And he actually is well read on all this because
he just said you would once you once you start
going down that path, you have to go to obscure people.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
Summer wrong, summer right. That means he read all of
the obscure and all the stuff. That's why he was
able to parse out what was bullshit and fault. That's
what I'm like.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
He went down the third rail into the deepest parts
of it to the actual scholars.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Who basically he went to the people who were there
with him, murt that's how far he went. Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
And probably before that, we're talking about people who are
probably conquered him. I'm up pre Pc. I'm talking he's
probably gone down that road. And if he knows that far,
she's way out of her depth. So he's like, on
a surface level, now like battling her and she's thinking
she's getting deep. He's like, oh, you can't even get
guys rule because remember he's like the second circle of

(01:15:18):
and she and she's like in limbo right now. He's like, girl,
I'm like this, he's like second circle of Hell and up.
He was saying it in jest, but he's like, no,
really though, the second circle of Hell. And you're kind
of playing right now. And I've been a demon, that's
what I do. I've been doing this demon shit be

(01:15:38):
cause let me tell you some am Doule de tael
a demon. And I know a little demon when I
see one, that's a little demon. And that little demon
knows good and well.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
How and he's he's good. He's really good.

Speaker 12 (01:15:53):
At what he does.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
That's why when you got a whole day, cuz again
you're that's he's self aware. He's not dumb.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
He knows what he is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
He said right now, his parents are in a happy marriage.
This is from this is just online. In real life, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Pretty sure he's just a whatever, little church boy or
whatever life the fuck.

Speaker 5 (01:16:19):
But because he's battling against evil such as the evil
Jews or whatever like that, Because you know that they
satan in some.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
In Catholicism. You know Judy is a jewsnna look at
as Satan. So we're gonna go down to that weird
ass fucking road.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
Yeah, she's battling way out of her death because even
her carls himself like a Christian. Because remember when I
break down at the end of the day, most black
girls are just innocent little Christians. At the end of
the day when you push him as they get some
real shit AND's like a good push in they head
like what the fuck are you?

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
God help me, Jesus save me.

Speaker 18 (01:16:59):
The day.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Not a bad thing. It just ended the day. That's
just what it ends up being. So beyond all the
WITCHI shit, the conversion, all.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
The other stuff. At the end of the day, gun
press your head. You in a moment of debt, You're
gonna say, God save me, Jesus save you, because that's
how you were raised, perfectly unstidable. Problem is, if you
just an innocent little Christian living in the suburban area,
you ain't been in the dark side of Christianity, been

(01:17:30):
to that dark side of Christianity because you just know
that little regular Christian stuff. You don't know how dark
chicken get and he has been to the other side clearly.
And that's why I'm like, why would she even do this?
Just like just staying with your politics shit, stay service level.
Once you start going down any semitism, this is a

(01:17:52):
road you found. You prepared for what you said.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
He That's what I'm saying. He'slf aware, she's not.

Speaker 5 (01:18:01):
That's what's dangerous because when you have yourself, yeah, because when.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
You have but somewhere a little demon.

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
That's all yeah for somewhere little demon and you've got
cland over here and thinks that she's holdlier than now.
A demon will expose you for the devil you are.
And that to me is funny that a demon is
about to expose the devil.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Crazy talk.

Speaker 20 (01:18:31):
That's the same way that Black Americans in the classrooms
about learn about slavery. So I understood the trigger emotional
response that Black Americans had during BLM because there was
so much conditioning that happened in the classroom that makes
them think that when someone says white supremacy.

Speaker 12 (01:18:44):
Is bad, you have to riot. And I will extend
that same understanding.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
I disagree with it and understand that when October seventh,
happened almost like a childhood trauma for these people. You
learn this your whole existence at essential crisis for you,
that something happened in Israel. And then you add in
the fact that the ADL is sponsoring these trips to
kind of make sure that they stay into this you,
this is who you are. And somebody questions this, like
we could end up in the Holocaust again, you have

(01:19:11):
to have some sort of an understanding, you know, an
understanding even if they're wrong, right.

Speaker 20 (01:19:15):
You have to give them a little bit of time,
a little bit of grace here. And so for him
to be doing what he's doing and to be enduring
a lot of the same stuff that I'm enduring like
he is on lists, he is being attacked by every
single people. All people that are attacking me are certainly
attacking Dave Sis. And your excuse is that he just
didn't Kanti.

Speaker 12 (01:19:35):
No, that's not my excuse.

Speaker 20 (01:19:37):
My Mars was happening, by the way, So that even
that's the part that I even more produced got that
you said, like he's a religious Jew.

Speaker 12 (01:19:43):
No he's not. He's married to it. What I mean,
what I mean by that is my my criticism.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
Of Jews comes from a religious place.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
As a Catholic, we recognize that the Pharisees for Jesus
on the Cross, and the Talmudic Jews are the descendants
of the Pharisees.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
And we also he's not a Talmudist, That's what I
want to say, not any of those things.

Speaker 12 (01:20:05):
He's married to a Catholic.

Speaker 20 (01:20:06):
He's just born on charcanast And I heard you say,
Dave Smith, you I think it conflicts with your point
about how even white.

Speaker 13 (01:20:14):
He's kill Jesus.

Speaker 12 (01:20:18):
He believes he's the people that killed Jesus. I told you.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
I want the joking with is that he literally believes
in chooses Satan.

Speaker 12 (01:20:28):
Is said of the Satan, like.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
Why would you try to argue out of that bag?

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
And again, if you're a Christian, he's saying he's more
Christian than you because he actually goes down.

Speaker 12 (01:20:40):
He's saying that. And I don't think she's understanding that
or she's being ob.

Speaker 20 (01:20:44):
I don't think she's understanding people like you're just kind
of trained that you should just like if you're something
wrong with you for being born white. No one should
feel guilty about how they're born.

Speaker 12 (01:20:53):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Basically is what it is.

Speaker 12 (01:20:58):
It's a form of saying, you know, we're criticizings in Israel,
how do we soften and amp and the poems we're
gonna get called in?

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Would bring out a guy criticized Israel, I don't bring
out a Jewish person because.

Speaker 12 (01:21:10):
Then we get to say I'm not as something. Here's
a Jewish person saying this. Before I even left the
Daily Wire.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
We had a three hour conversation but about talking about war,
and I think sometimes you internet too hard.

Speaker 20 (01:21:27):
The way the way that Dave Smith came onto our
podcast on Daily Wire, he wasn't even on my radar. Skyler,
who just met the producer, was a massive Dave Smith
band for years and just kind of like.

Speaker 12 (01:21:38):
What the libertarian debate was. That was being Hattie, so
you gotta check out the Guidia Smith. I was like,
book on, let's get him on the show.

Speaker 13 (01:21:44):
And we had it was my.

Speaker 12 (01:21:45):
Favorite podcast that I did, a Daily Wire.

Speaker 13 (01:21:47):
So I just liked him.

Speaker 12 (01:21:48):
Okay, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
There was no incentive of like, well, let me get
this guy on again. I was like, can we create
the magic of what we spoke about about war? Because
I'm kind of falling I guess down the rabbit hole
and learning a lot. If he had a lot of defications,
I didn't know, and that was it. There was no
there was.

Speaker 12 (01:22:02):
Nothing behind it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
When I hear you say it, I'm like, Okay, are
you interneting to hard? You know what I mean a
little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Do you think that you can kind of believe your
own ideas? And look, we're all guilty of that. And look,
I mean, I'm going to stand by my point here,
which is that me and Dave Smith are not ideologically
on the same page. It will never be because I
know a Catholic and he is Jewish. Because because he
is Jewish, he still has Jewish people. And so my

(01:22:29):
end game is to say, look, Thomas Whya said that
Jewish people should be basically concerned to the Catholic Church.

Speaker 12 (01:22:36):
I don't believe that. But the idea that we have
Jewish people that are that are running all the idiots.

Speaker 13 (01:22:45):
Like.

Speaker 12 (01:22:52):
So that's what you mean? Okay, all right? You know
the people are again.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Government and they take advantage of the dual citizenship. He
literally cannot be allowed like by by definition, systematically or
systemically and creates problems as how huge people We talk
a lot about satellite of the US. We're the Empire

(01:23:34):
and they're our satellite. They're like our aircraft carrier in
the Middleage, which is something Joe Biden back was an
a back man. I think that Dave Smith is somebody
who because he's a tail l libertarian, like Murray Rothbart,
like Ron Paul, like a lot.

Speaker 13 (01:23:47):
Of these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
He is someone who, because he's anti war, is sort
of forced you can flound the Israel lobby because if
you're anti war ideologically, you.

Speaker 12 (01:23:58):
Have to talk about driving, which is he is reluck.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
But he's not somebody. He's not a religious Christian, he's
religious jew for a gnostic rats. He's not really a
right wing guy. He's a libertarian.

Speaker 12 (01:24:12):
He's he's not a religious Jew. He says that he's
proud of being Jewish. He's proud of us at this
and he's proud of Jewish. Should he not be proud
that he's like, you know, like he's just born this way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Well, here here's the point, though, is so he's not
he's not really.

Speaker 3 (01:24:26):
One hundred percent aligned with my view. Now here's why
that matters. I think that it doesn't. No, it doesn't,
it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
It doesn't.

Speaker 12 (01:24:35):
I'll tell you it doesn't. You can't say I want
to create people. If he was gay and not Jewish,
he would have the exact same the same thing. He
would have the exact same argument. That's why he's being
an assessment that you have the exact same argument.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
It was.

Speaker 12 (01:25:04):
In the image of myself.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
No, and I'm but I'm completely ridiculous and criticizing people
that that I disagree with.

Speaker 12 (01:25:11):
And I to put it very succinctly, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
That this conversation about Israel has blown up. It's gotten
out of their control. Everyone's getting ready. They want to
control the conversation. I think the pay Smith is somebody
that because he's Jewish, because he's Libitarian, they have.

Speaker 13 (01:25:29):
As they because he's not really.

Speaker 12 (01:25:33):
He doesn't really have a problem with Jews and her Jewishness.
He doesn't really talk about the whole column aspect of it.
He taught how to break Darrow.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Driving us to a ward that's disposed person because who
is choosing him as not agree with that?

Speaker 12 (01:26:11):
Or I just want to say that I just had
so much.

Speaker 13 (01:26:14):
On this one.

Speaker 12 (01:26:14):
This is this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
I think that he has moved the ball forward so
much for first and almost a lot of American Jews
to have the courage to even question is real because
in the same way that we were kind of brought
up in the classroom with the I guess you want
to call it emotional engineering around the Holocaust, learning about
the Holocausts like the biggest, most evil event that ever happened.

Speaker 12 (01:26:34):
Uh, imagine if you're Jewish. He wanted about that.

Speaker 20 (01:26:35):
It's the same way that Black Americans in the classrooms
learn about learn about slavery. So I understood the trigger
emotional response that Black Americans had during BLM because there
was so much conditioning that happened in the classroom that
makes them think that when someone says white supremacy is back,
you have to riot.

Speaker 12 (01:26:50):
And I will extend that same understanding.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I disagree with it, but I understand that when October
seventh happens, it's almost like a childhood trauma for these people.

Speaker 20 (01:26:59):
You learned this your whole existence as a cential crisis
for you, that something happened in Israel. And then you
add in the fact that the ADL is sponsoring these
trips to kind of make.

Speaker 12 (01:27:08):
Sure that they say to this you this who you are.
And somebody questions this like you could end up in
the Holocaust.

Speaker 13 (01:27:14):
Again, you have to have some.

Speaker 12 (01:27:15):
Part of understanding, you know, and understanding even if they're wrong, right,
you have to give them a little bit of time,
a little bit of grace here, and so for him
to be doing what he's doing and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
To be enduring a lot of the same stuff. But
I'm enduring like he is on lists. He is being
attacked by every single people. All the people that are
attacking me.

Speaker 12 (01:27:33):
Are certain to be attacking. And your excuse is that
he just is born Ashkenazi. No, that's not my excuse.

Speaker 20 (01:27:41):
My my problem very Fatatholic, by the way, So that
even that's the part that I may be more confused
about because you said, like he's a religious Jew.

Speaker 12 (01:27:48):
No he's not. He's married to what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
What I mean by that is my My criticism of
Jews comes from a religious place. As a Catholic, we
recognize that the Pharisees put.

Speaker 12 (01:27:58):
Jesus on the cross. That's how motive Jews are the
descendants off with Parisis And we also recognize it's not
a Talmudist, because that's what I want to say.

Speaker 20 (01:28:08):
But if he's not any of those things, he's married
to a Catholic, he's just born Entreganazi.

Speaker 12 (01:28:11):
When I hear you say dates that to okay.

Speaker 20 (01:28:15):
I think it conflicts with your point about how even
white people like you're just kind of trained that you
should just like, here's something wrong with you for being born,
like no one should feel guilty about how they're.

Speaker 18 (01:28:25):
You know what I think so so much is saying Colleen,
It's basically it's talkinesses.

Speaker 12 (01:28:30):
It's a form of saying, you know, we're criticizing the
Jews in Israel.

Speaker 13 (01:28:34):
How do we SOFTI and damp in the blow.

Speaker 12 (01:28:37):
Because we're gonna get called the anti stop.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
By it's if we bring on a guy criticizing Israel,
I I'll bring on a Jewish person because then we
get to say, I'm not assist, I'm.

Speaker 12 (01:28:44):
Here's a Jewish person saying this. And here's here's the reason.

Speaker 13 (01:28:47):
It's not why I.

Speaker 12 (01:28:48):
Had actually I had him on.

Speaker 20 (01:28:50):
My podcast before I even left the Daily Wire. We
had a three hour conversation, but about talking about war
and truly because I think it's a poorant p you
to hear is I think sometimes you internet too heart
the way I mean the way that Dave Smith came
onto our podcast.

Speaker 12 (01:29:02):
I probably wire you people on my radar signed you just.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Meant the producer for those fast Dave Smith, and for
years and just kind of like what the libertarians pete was,
you have to have the idea Smith, I'm like, on
the show he had, he put the Fine Feverite podcastle
I was like, can we create the magic of what
we spoke about? Get down the rabbit hole learning a lot.

(01:29:29):
He had a lot of information I didn't know, and
that was it. There was no there was nothing behind it.
So when I hear you say it, I'm like, Okay,
are you interneting too hard? You know what I mean
a little bit?

Speaker 12 (01:29:39):
Do you think that you can kind of believe your
own ideas? And look, we're all guilty of that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
And and look, I mean, I'm gonna stand by my
point here, which is that me and Dave Smith are
not ideologically on the same page and will never be
because I am a Catholic and he is Jewish. Because
because he is Jewish, he still has affinity with Jewish people.
And so my endgame is to say, look, Thomas Aquinas
said that Jewish people should be basically inserved to the

(01:30:07):
Catholic Church, I don't believe that.

Speaker 12 (01:30:09):
But the idea that we have Jewish people.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
In America that are billionaires, that are running all the
major media conglomerates, that are influencing the government, and they
take advantage of the dual citizenship, it literally cannot be allowed,
like by by definition, systematically or systemically, this creates weird.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
There's no problem, the semantics.

Speaker 13 (01:30:43):
Problems.

Speaker 12 (01:30:43):
So when I got my show, I'm saying, we can't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Have Jewish people in government, like we can't have them
having billions of dollars that this is a problem. It's
like a national security problem because they are a fifth
column and as evidenced by recent developments, they're not loyalty.

Speaker 21 (01:31:01):
There's no problem with anyone in the government who may
be dual Iranian, or dual Chinese or due North Korean.
He has Nope, that makes no Again, his argument makes
no sense from any perspective. And again he is also
stree quarters ispanic. But again Canday, the older person could

(01:31:23):
stop him at any moment and say.

Speaker 12 (01:31:25):
Your ideology, your ideological stand makes no sense.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
But she is focused on her own hypocracy and trying
to fight out that bag because you can't help her out.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
This is narcissism America. Now, so I agree with you,
and that's why I want to have this. I agree
with you on the point.

Speaker 12 (01:31:46):
That there is this operating fifth column of Zionism.

Speaker 20 (01:31:49):
No, no, but I want to be clear and I'll
tell you that this is where we disagree, right, because
I think it's ridiculous to say to someone who's literally
just born, he's like on astronogy, that's that, that is justice.

Speaker 12 (01:31:58):
DNA is married to a Catholic. You cannot you She's
not a Zionist.

Speaker 13 (01:32:04):
He has an.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Advantage, So how do you just condemn him? And then also,
how is that not toxic to what you're trying to do.
So if you're saying that your entire platforms.

Speaker 20 (01:32:13):
I don't go making people to this fifth column. Well,
if I'm a Jewish person, okay, and.

Speaker 12 (01:32:18):
I'm being raised and I'm okay, maybe I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Worried about Israel because I kind of grew up was
told that I have to care about this because of
whatever it is. And I see this guy who's just
going Jew guilty. You're Jew doesn't matter, DNA. You know,
like you're twenty three and me up there Jew, okay,
and you think that your your ideas are.

Speaker 12 (01:32:39):
Going to grow with that perspective. Well they are, so
that's happening. But but is that because if he thinks
to you or thanks to Dave? I think it's thanks
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
But if you look, if you're asking me, I will answer.
If you're lecturing.

Speaker 12 (01:32:51):
Me, no, I genuinely want to. I want to. I'm
asking me the questions.

Speaker 20 (01:32:54):
See, you think it's growing because of you and not
because of people like Dave who are going okay, like yeah,
you can also think like this, it's okay to have
this perspective, like you think it's because they're watching your.

Speaker 12 (01:33:03):
Show and they're going, it's got it right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Let me give you a direct answer about the first
part about Dave Smith just because he's born Jewish. What
did he say when he went on Joe Rogan and
he debated, what what's the guy's name? He debated the
British guy forget us? Douglas Murray, Douglas Murray. When he
debated Douglas Murray, Douglas Murray said, and you hear this,
this is the wulf Right phenomenon, which Dave has criticized.

(01:33:25):
But Douglas said, there is this dark element that is growing.

Speaker 13 (01:33:29):
On the right Bostiers and Jews, they wouldn't blame jew
and agree with you.

Speaker 12 (01:33:40):
Those people are a problem. I'm I'm all right.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
Literally, it's so doom. She's not even understead of the
dark element. You're saying he's offended, been.

Speaker 12 (01:34:07):
Cold out and then that this mass is.

Speaker 13 (01:34:11):
That they've been stopping herself to be like.

Speaker 12 (01:34:17):
Waiting in the darkness.

Speaker 13 (01:34:21):
Now, Also stop kiro.

Speaker 18 (01:34:26):
Tap against j Shields who's a friend of mine and
playing a monster s over over and over again.

Speaker 13 (01:34:38):
I got no reason the thing he's not start talking
about me. I was on the bars and I'm not people.

Speaker 18 (01:34:49):
Like your bs and so I'm not talking about it
because these people to be handling and taking too far.

Speaker 13 (01:35:00):
Just when they say the goals about them says I
are your ground barrier in the business, it's not.

Speaker 18 (01:35:07):
There's the only suffers in your mind. And that has
a lot to do with people make do not maybe,
And I think there's a lot of Juan he stood
being Jewish because he says that his businesses or died
in the Holocaust. No, I don't think that the latter
would be able to say.

Speaker 12 (01:35:23):
In the way that guy.

Speaker 18 (01:35:24):
Can you know that maybe the mother possible should have
been her people. Maybe there's as great woman too because
it's his grandparents. Okay, but he says like the answers
would have been the steps as wits.

Speaker 13 (01:35:39):
I say, I don't hear about us, but I didn't
care about the us.

Speaker 12 (01:35:43):
I don't hearing about it. I don't fit.

Speaker 18 (01:35:45):
But you'll also mentioned Harrol Hooper, and you also mentioned
j Rogan. These people are not be assue.

Speaker 12 (01:35:50):
Right are you saying that they're all condemned?

Speaker 13 (01:35:54):
Like?

Speaker 12 (01:35:54):
Why does it matter? They've Smith?

Speaker 18 (01:35:55):
Maybe he believes that I think he's wrong. He said,
I think Joe Rogan and says that maybe he's wrong.

Speaker 13 (01:36:01):
He pleads it.

Speaker 12 (01:36:02):
Let's say about herol Hooper. What is the difference is
what he's to me to get do with?

Speaker 20 (01:36:07):
Why why is one members of versus your idea? Come
back to what he said, right, let's tackle the idea.
Let's actually debate the idea. So do you not see
how you're run into conflict with yourself. You're like, well,
there's my story. I just wanted to beat the idea.
And then when it comes to Dave Smith, I have
been saying, I asgree with what you just said about
whatever topic, saying that there is distract just actually happened
debate because the better.

Speaker 12 (01:36:28):
That's how I here's why, because this is another firm.
When Joe Rogan says, okay, you're Dave Smith is cool
on Jake Shields all accustom, it's not cool, that's dark.
I think he's cool with real anti feminism. Hear that
all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
They say, are you like a Dave Smith guy? Or
are you a real anti sycause you know what they say,
if you're a real anti semi, you're out of the club.
You don't get your bit on the show. Here's Morgan
won't have me on the show. He banned me as
a school band, and Joe.

Speaker 12 (01:37:07):
Rogan stop, you will never have a real there me.

Speaker 13 (01:38:00):
It's like with a second.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
So you know, clearly some people are able to go
on these shows and express some form of the view,
which is again like what you're speaking.

Speaker 13 (01:38:09):
There is really But if you go out and.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
Say, you know what, six million, I'm not buying it.
You know, I think this is a political narrative. I
think it's atrocity propaganda, serving a fifth column. Suddenly they say,
well that's real anti semitism.

Speaker 12 (01:38:23):
We want nothing to do with that. You know, you
remain outside and so a luck.

Speaker 18 (01:38:27):
It's not to me about you know people that say, oh,
well in you're your anti face.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Look, I love doing my show. I love doing what
I do. I want the real truth to provail. And
there's this this concept of limited hanging up. This is
a CIA tool and I'm sure you've heard of it,
but for your audience that maybe hasn't. When they believe
that disclosure is inevitable, a secret, a taboo, hidden narrative.

Speaker 12 (01:38:52):
That they don't want to get out, what is.

Speaker 3 (01:38:54):
Inevitable that it is going to go out. What they
will do is they will lean out some of the truth.
The public is so enamored with the new information they.

Speaker 13 (01:39:06):
And they actually costims. And I think that you know, we're.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Basically at that point with you just real lobby. You
have the Jewish talk, but it's clearly something is going on.

Speaker 18 (01:39:15):
So you're just distrusting. And that's fine. If you're distrusting
a w I mean, I think it's fine too, And you.

Speaker 12 (01:39:24):
Are correct by the way that there are these operations
where people to hang out.

Speaker 13 (01:39:27):
And I'm very aware of that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
That is true, and sometimes I have that in my mind,
but I'm watching something I'm like, this feels like a
woman to hang out like they're not really kind of
getting to the new place of the conversation.

Speaker 12 (01:39:38):
But I just really disagree with you that life just
deep is just guilty and condemned and prod But on
the clip, I think you just have liked when.

Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
It's like, what does the matter?

Speaker 12 (01:39:48):
And you're wrong time you I'm speaking the tone.

Speaker 18 (01:39:51):
Okay, And I'll tell you another reason why I disagree
with that.

Speaker 12 (01:39:53):
With my producement and I like him and I'm whoever
like I like, I don't point care uh to you know,
out to my opdias on the basis of yours. But
I also just in general feel like I want that
person for BLF. She knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
I was just totally genuine and that was kind of
a wake up called THELM.

Speaker 12 (01:40:12):
I totally accept that the victimperative maybe a little bit
like into talking to support this thing, and I don't
really want to be a Democrat.

Speaker 20 (01:40:19):
And then I had I dealt with the full weight
of an attempted cancelation by the left at first, and
kind of like she's talking from right and people saying, well,
they're only platforming her because she's a black person that.

Speaker 12 (01:40:29):
Frees it doesn't everybody that's true.

Speaker 20 (01:40:31):
Like obviously you like there is an element of tokenism,
but I'm saying what I believe.

Speaker 12 (01:40:34):
You know, I was saying what I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:40:36):
I got to Subcity without a socirity and all my
problematize it.

Speaker 12 (01:40:40):
That's what I'm trying to get to. So it's then
he's out there having to fight.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
Amongst these pro Israel people. He's fighting the same Zionists
that we are on the topic of Asriel. And on
top of that, he's got to deal with Nick Flentz
talking trash about him.

Speaker 12 (01:40:52):
Because my well is just just who cares.

Speaker 20 (01:40:54):
If if he can't help me as I couldn't help.
But I was a black and disagree with BLM. I'm
just a black and disagree with BLF them. Well, here
here's the reason why it's the lead.

Speaker 12 (01:41:03):
That irritating because, thanks you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
Know Robert Flack that he's betting he remains on YouTube,
and he's been on YouTube couple of times.

Speaker 12 (01:41:10):
He remains on he's been on Twitter the whole time.
He has bank accounts, he has payment.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Processors, and now that people are waking up about Israel,
they want to invite the Jewish person.

Speaker 12 (01:41:19):
On to tell us we're not real at sides. You know,
we're not Holocaust deniers, but maybe something wrong with Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
And here I am, having been banned on YouTube, min
banned by banks, every streaming platform, all of it, and
them life destroyed.

Speaker 18 (01:41:34):
And people still are able to make me insane.

Speaker 12 (01:41:36):
Here real anti Semite, and I'm saying, well, you know,
obviously we.

Speaker 13 (01:41:41):
Didn't come far enough.

Speaker 12 (01:41:42):
So I don't doubt it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Sinssarily, he's a big pay you know, he doesn't mind
that I'm trash talking him and I still consider a
friend even though I've been critical of him. But you know,
we have to go a little bit further than to
say something's up with the Zionists or Israel. It's not Israel,
it is the Jews. And I think that Dave Smith,
being a Jewish libertarian, I don't think he's ready to

(01:42:03):
go that far. I don't think you just want to
know what you mean by that.

Speaker 20 (01:42:06):
So I'm just so clear is your perspective that people
don't platform you, it's because they don't want to go
too far.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Yes, maybe that they are that far ideologically.

Speaker 12 (01:42:15):
But that that's my job to push the farther.

Speaker 13 (01:42:20):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:42:28):
I'm not I'm going to come on your platform and
push you further, that is my part, and was like,
what is that purpose?

Speaker 13 (01:42:47):
Is that what you're really trying to do.

Speaker 20 (01:42:50):
Now, that's another thing that they with you. But I'm gay, okay,
but if the more important so for me, it's like
I care deeply about what's.

Speaker 12 (01:43:01):
Happening to Platon.

Speaker 18 (01:43:02):
Obviously, I don't mean every wing to talk about that,
and I very like that.

Speaker 12 (01:43:09):
Very sinister movements. I think it operates on the left
and the right. I don't know whether it's a yell
or a slowing because so well red you can only

(01:43:37):
as amice.

Speaker 13 (01:43:42):
That's what's.

Speaker 22 (01:43:46):
Round what I say, academics just the man you have
to want to attack people on ship that happy, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
To instantly cancel people, to get them fired, and it's vicious.
I mean, it is dirty business and to survive it.
It's hard for most people to even survive. And when
they go through it because they're so smeared, it's like
an effective tar coathering and for a tap them when
you were eighteen.

Speaker 12 (01:44:15):
It's ridiculous. But at the same time, if I'm going.

Speaker 20 (01:44:19):
To use my platform to speak about that, I want
to make sure that I'm hosting people that can explain
that to people that otherwise.

Speaker 12 (01:44:26):
May not even be aware of that run.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
Right, So if you're gonna host, if you're if you're
why are you seeing this person down on your show? Well,
because we're having a conversation something that's important. I can
either learned from that person, right, or I think that
this person can teach something to my audience.

Speaker 13 (01:44:39):
Right.

Speaker 12 (01:44:40):
If I were to host you and that was if
that's coming out, do you think people are gonna go?

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:44:46):
You know that just made me realize here, I am
just believing that we should. I'm a normal conservative like
you you said you were at eighteen.

Speaker 12 (01:44:52):
I like these people.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
And the first thing I hear Niquentes say is, Dave,
they're not gonna think that you're a good persons consider control.

Speaker 12 (01:44:59):
I'm sorry, I don't see just to tell people it's
either you gonna said, it's not, it's not. It is
absolutely saying well, that's back it upase I'm Lacey. It
is not telling me saying. What I am saying is
that you just went through the facts. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:11):
You genuinely were coming up that you were a conservative.
You genuinely liked Ben Shapiro, You genuinely.

Speaker 20 (01:45:18):
Thought these things that wasn't you would not look back
on yourself and say, well that I was problematic?

Speaker 12 (01:45:22):
You know, you know, like that makes sense, right, And I'm.

Speaker 20 (01:45:24):
Saying to you that the majority of people have that perspective.
You don't have to assign an evil motive. You get
into something because you believe that that's it.

Speaker 12 (01:45:30):
It's just that simple, okay. And if you're then gonna
have somebody who's.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Condemning them, what are we What are we learning? If
you're just gonna say you're this, you're.

Speaker 20 (01:45:37):
That, it's like you've forgotten yourself, like some people just
aren't there wherever you are.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
Okay, but I missed the part where I condemned him.
I missed the part where I condemned him and I
talked about the Dave Smith Park repeatedly. And by the way,
you're mixing it up and saying, well, you know, if
people watch a show are what are they gonna think
if they see that clip.

Speaker 12 (01:45:52):
I'm just trying to say to you, why would someone
may be saying talk at on?

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
I mean, so you know, look, I'm a funny guy,
I'm bombastic, I'm provocative.

Speaker 12 (01:46:02):
That's part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
You know what be in concerntrol and tone police about
you know whether I don't know are I don't believe
you have this we're laughing during the class. Yeah, and
I like funny and I want you making fun of me.
I don't mind you making fun of me.

Speaker 12 (01:46:16):
Yeah, And I don't mind how you making fun of
me if you've ever done that. I mean, and I'm Jill, No,
I don't care. I'm not, like I said, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
It's I like that about you because I think that
you're you're hardcore. I think we're kind of similar in
that way. We don't have ben skin so and I
appreciate that about you. And I know that Dave Smith
is the same way. And I said on that show
and other shows, I like him. I think he's a
good guy, and I agree with you. I think he's
sincere and I respect him, and I think he's a
good person. Actually he is and I but I do

(01:46:43):
think that we've disagreed and to the ex said that
I'm critical of the situation.

Speaker 12 (01:46:48):
It's not a personal directed at him.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
I know maybe it comes across that where it sounds
like that to you, but I've said it repeatedly on
my show in and that's not the only time I
talked about it. I said, the problem this idea and
again intentional or not, that we need permission from a
Jewish person sitting there, so we're not real anti Semites
to talk about the issues. And I also disagree with

(01:47:11):
Dave Smith on the extent of it. Now, maybe he
fundamentally disagrees. I'd love to talk to him about it.
That'd be fine with me, but it does come from
a place of disagreement.

Speaker 12 (01:47:20):
I'm not condemning yet I think he generally disagrees with you.

Speaker 20 (01:47:22):
And that's kind of the point I'm say when I
say don't Internet too hard, is that sometimes you can
assign a conspiracy where it's just not nothing remote if
like for me, I just wanted to have they with
my Show's where I think he's great a stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:47:33):
It's one of my jew that's him.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
I don't even think about the packages and choose let
me have him on and tookenize the situation and don't care.

Speaker 13 (01:47:39):
I just like him, you know.

Speaker 20 (01:47:40):
And in terms of why I could try to appreciate
where if somebody's trying to wake somebody up to something,
you know, you could dump, I guess a bucket of
ice on someone when they're sleeping and wake them up,
or you could kind of say, okay, you know, are
you starting to with my sisters, we have this be
it right now about be being a Catholic.

Speaker 12 (01:47:59):
My sisters are not like I don't need to be
like you must understand. I want to complicated just right.
And it's like I got there, they're not there yet, Chill,
like you know what I mean. Here's where I was.

Speaker 20 (01:48:08):
My sisters were a Democrat when I got into politics,
and we've always kept the sense of humor about things,
so it never became this copixing being calling simple it was,
but it's like, you know, with a sense of humor
about it, Like my sisters would be like had one
at your climbing rally and cool, I said.

Speaker 13 (01:48:21):
Ask you to watch my cat.

Speaker 20 (01:48:23):
But the idea that I think that at the moment
that I recognize I'm there, or at the moment that
I become something, everyone else must therefore become that thing.

Speaker 12 (01:48:33):
I think that's asinine. I did, yeah, but I'm not
saying that. But look, my show is my platform, and
I say what I feel about the situation and my
audience is already there with me.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
You know, I'm doing a show. And by the way,
I don't even do it for the audience. I say
what I say. I said it eight years ago when
it really wasn't popular. I said it five years ago
and it was a little more popular.

Speaker 12 (01:48:52):
I'm saying it now, and you know so. And that's
the difference, I.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
Guess is this is a common critique of me and
my audience. People say, well, are you being tactful? Are
you being strategic? These kinds of things. I'm not setting plays.
You know. I will acknowledge I'm impulsive, i am bombastic,
I'm out there.

Speaker 12 (01:49:11):
I'm a maniac, you know. But my job is true though.
I am the bucket of ice cold water, and I'm
dumpig it on people, and some people are gonna get it,
and some people are gonna take it longer. I'll let
other people set the place. I'll let other.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
People kind of do the bread pumps and do this
incremental approach. Me I kind of figured it out. I
was off to the races from the beginning, and I
just want to cut to the chase and and get
to the most fundamental part of the idea. And so
you know that's why some people don't like me, granted,
but I think the big picture is that.

Speaker 12 (01:49:44):
I have been suppressed for ten years.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
You can say that we can sit here all day
long and say where you meet to this one? Where
you mean to that one? Was this out of pocket?
The fact of the matter is I have been more
censored than anybody for ten years. Yeah, that's the real
reason this is.

Speaker 12 (01:50:00):
So you're not still being censored. I'm just trying to try.
I buy me that I am provide back to what
you just said in that clip, like, why wouldn't they
have me on their platform? I'm not told pleasing go
on your show? Shit, whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
Actually, I would make the ug mead that you're kind
of telling policing our shows by saying, why won't they
look whatever? I'm just saying, don't assign evil motive where.

Speaker 12 (01:50:16):
They just might not be one. Like Okay, I was.
I had that you wouldn't. Well, you don't believe me,
but I was mad that. You know, you're thinking, okay, okay,
you're mad that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
Well, I was mad that you wouldn't have me on
the show because you know, look, I stand so hard
on Twitter. I was stand the Sons and the Boipers
were there for you for Daily Wire and they wanted
to collapse so bad last year, and you were kept saying.

Speaker 12 (01:50:39):
Well, we'll do it, We'll do it. Okay, what are
you talking about this? Let's get me up there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
If I didn't want to get to actually be something
that I'd find be very funny. First one, I don't
know who the braker is. Okay, this is and I
will give you the credible credit is due. You have
managed to infect the brains of fort plus year old men.
You and that is actually I think the most compelling
part about you is I watched as I was coming

(01:51:07):
out in my career, and I will say I've had
four kids in the last few years.

Speaker 12 (01:51:11):
I don't pay attention to I think you were on
Cozy TV. You were bands everywhere. I only know that
because forty.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
Year old men were like obsessively asking me to come
out and content you. And I've only wanted the step
dealing the Babylon But he lives in a Broyper simulation,
and I'm just to me interested in the idea of
an eight Then the eighteen year old kid who's been.

Speaker 12 (01:51:34):
Banned everywhere, and you have to jump through the hopes to.

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
Watch him on this obscure Cozy dot tv has managed
to completely send you, Matt.

Speaker 20 (01:51:44):
That's fascinating to me. Credit where credit is due. The
broikers like are truly living in the minds of the Aposto.

Speaker 12 (01:51:51):
There's no question about it. Okay. So for me, genuinely,
I didn't watch your.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Prong times that guy said you're not for moms, like
I'm married, bandivac, stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:52:01):
Like no one's I'm not talking a night after five
days a week.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Of the show before geting coz what's then one test
saying over at Cozy TV.

Speaker 13 (01:52:10):
Not no, I am not.

Speaker 12 (01:52:11):
And so the first time that I had clips, I'm at.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
The same moment that I got fired because at the
same time it shit went look back on Twitter and
I am active on Twitter, and I've seen I's here
and I'm seeing clips there, and I did see the
clips of you speaking about.

Speaker 12 (01:52:25):
The Cristis King a scenario, some which were hilarious, just
kind of getting theology of it, and I'm starting to go, Okay,
I'm kind of getting this one test thing, especially when
Jeremy Boring, then the.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
CEO of Daily Wire, posted this Cristis King audio live
and that was the first time I ever heard your backstory,
so I genuinely was So I guess not blind to
the graper movement, but like, how I guess how influential
you were that these people, as Jeremy admitted in that audio,
were watching your show, which was on an.

Speaker 20 (01:52:54):
App that I had never even heard about. So I
want to give credit where credit is due. But your
strategy of I'm gonna go on my show and call
this person out for not having me on the show
when you didn't ask to come on the show and
you had a mind.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Of communit uston because of some people felt that was
happening in the background where I was asking you to
do a decent thing and tell the truth about the
fact that we didn't have this relationship that I think
some people thought that we had going on in the background,
a political relationship, were like strategizing together.

Speaker 12 (01:53:29):
So I have this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
It was chigulous, Like I'm like, if you wanted to
come on the show, why didn't you just send a
big boy message and say, hey, Candice.

Speaker 12 (01:53:35):
We should call up. And that's what I mean when
I say think you've dinnet too hard.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Like you think your way to get that is to
go Roy forer war Roy first, so I can I
am the exact opposite demean If you do that, I.

Speaker 12 (01:53:48):
Will limit and definitely not have you on the show.
And the irony is we had had the discussion, so
I think I messed you and I was like, what's
to deal with you?

Speaker 13 (01:53:55):
On YouTube?

Speaker 12 (01:53:55):
I have you on the show. We were just kind
of getting set up here are you allowed to when
you answers.

Speaker 13 (01:53:59):
I don't know?

Speaker 12 (01:54:00):
You said some people have had me on to who
have gotten.

Speaker 20 (01:54:01):
Hit, and I'm like, okay, well, you know we're still
trying to figure this thing out. And the next thing
I know, you've launched a grip or war and I'm going, if.

Speaker 12 (01:54:07):
You think this is the last strategy you should possibly take,
you everyone to get with me. I don't respond to
like anonymous accounts. I'm sorry, I'm not thirteen. I have
topers of home like.

Speaker 20 (01:54:16):
I get like I want, I want, I want, and
I say to them, if you'd like something, you need
to use your manners.

Speaker 12 (01:54:22):
You just say can I please have? And thank you?
And that's how I felt you were kind of executing
this orquest was in a really immature way. Imature.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
Well, I think you're kind of starting in the middle
of the story because when when you wepenjally wire Prebuddy
was on Twitter and in your live chat and in
the comments saying you want the collab with Milincess, and
you said in the live chat we're gonna do it.
We have the screenshots. In the live shot for your show,
you said we're going to do the collab. I have

(01:54:54):
the screenshots.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
So you know, are you are you potentially speaking about
like like a live chat that was going and you
think that I responded to somebody saying.

Speaker 12 (01:55:03):
Your channel said we're gonna do a collab.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
Okay, maybe you know I are you talking about YouTube? Genuinely,
I don't know what you're talking about, but we can
add the screenshop, we can add it, because I thought,
I definitely not remember saying we're gonna do the collab,
even if I indicated I was.

Speaker 12 (01:55:17):
I did reach out to you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
And say what's the deal because we were talking about,
like I said, we were like, we should get him on.
Then in between me saying we should get him on
and you say, I don't know about YouTube, suddenly there
was like we're.

Speaker 12 (01:55:29):
Launching a war on her.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
And then I was like, I don't plays talk about
that and get a good story, because you know, people
were pushing for the collab and there's a screenshop where
you said, yeah, we'll do the collab. And this was
like a period of many months.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
Okay, back jes Nick quentech again here So he sent
us two screenshots where he sent me he said, people
to the collab.

Speaker 12 (01:55:51):
And I do not believe these screenshots say that.

Speaker 20 (01:55:53):
So these are the ones that he sent us. Here
is number one. He doesn't show us what I was
responding to, but we can guess because I said yes,
I would talk to Nick why not?

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
So that makes me believe that a person who probably
said would you ever have Nick on the show or
would you ever speak to Nick twent test and I
said yes, I would talk Dan why not? I never
said we were plotting. And then this is the second
speech that Nick sent us. It reads literally, speak to
anyone on my podcast. My podcast is not prime means
pain speech. I'm not starting how people do intermed that

(01:56:24):
as I confirmed I was doing collab with him, But
those of the spreach on to be submitted, So I
will allow you guys to interpret that yourself.

Speaker 12 (01:56:31):
Back into the conversation, and then you go into a
Twitter space with Dandalsarian and there was I think one
of those Jewish guys was on there.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
I produce name my Something, Meyer Something Myers, and my
father Andrew Meyer was on Yeah, you brought him on there.

Speaker 12 (01:56:48):
I think Andrew Tate was on there. People said in
your replies, get Dave Smith, get Dave Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
You said he's invited to everything I do. All the
replies that get Nick Twents is on there, I'm not
on Twitter, and so hear that was after you had
launched this like, oh it wasn't.

Speaker 12 (01:57:04):
Yeah, I think it was. I'm sick it was. But
either way, here's the point.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
It just felt like you were making excuses which was, oh,
well it's the YouTube thing.

Speaker 12 (01:57:13):
Oh it's a legal thing. If it's YouTube, we could
have done it on my plot.

Speaker 20 (01:57:16):
You know, the legal thing was real. I can't I
still can't speak about what that legal thing was.

Speaker 12 (01:57:19):
But that was very real. That was very real, and
I was just a nod an effect. Now something changed.
Not for a discussion for another time, but the point
being is like, that wasn't a joke. You know, that
wasn't a joke. You run from with my lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:57:30):
I know I would as the accusations that were being
thrown at me were just inaccurate and regarding about legal thing.
And so when I reached out to you to ask
you to just clarify that this wasn't real whatever it was,
I was asking you to just do a decent thing
like that was not on.

Speaker 12 (01:57:43):
A okay, well let's clad not on. Was like, Hey,
this is my real life trying to be impacted by
something I had to do.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
But but then you kind of in a really crappy manner,
spoke about that on your shows. You know I was
privately going through but that is still lasting. Okay, I
have a lot of stuff going on in the background,
and I just.

Speaker 12 (01:58:00):
Like, what kind of person is this? Like, you know,
I'm fighting for my life, I've been attacked by Zionists,
I've just gotten fired, I have kids home. I mean,
no point, you just go like and and then you knew.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
That I had some legal stuff drama going on in
the background.

Speaker 12 (01:58:11):
No point, you just go like, maybe she genuinely just.

Speaker 20 (01:58:14):
Like or I'm just gonna reach out to her and say, hey,
because we're already talking, do you want to maybe collab
down the future that's the adult thing to do.

Speaker 12 (01:58:21):
And going to your point when I said, so, this
was a thing.

Speaker 13 (01:58:26):
She thinks.

Speaker 12 (01:58:29):
He's a decent person. We've said this like eight times
and she's stopped going through things to showing how he
would do.

Speaker 4 (01:58:37):
All manners of evil.

Speaker 5 (01:58:38):
And okay, first he created a platform for himself and
his antisemitic community.

Speaker 12 (01:58:47):
He literally said, everybody has denied me. She'd on full
more car and you did again. The fact you have
him as about the floral high ground is crazy. And
then she's like your webinard in real life.

Speaker 5 (01:59:11):
His life has been destroyed. You don't think she would
do that to somebody else? Are you insane? His life
has been destroyed.

Speaker 12 (01:59:18):
That's all he does. He is literally walking chaos. What
the hell are you surprised for? And now you've got
your platform this after you said.

Speaker 5 (01:59:28):
Then she's saying I will not get bullied into being
platform and look fully in the platform of him, because
he's platform.

Speaker 12 (01:59:36):
This pitch is nuts.

Speaker 5 (01:59:38):
Facts, she is insane and the fact she can't see
it is crazy that but had him in her hunumber
and I don't now I know why she put behind
a payball because this looks bad. He's literally like anybody
would bob.

Speaker 12 (01:59:52):
Crazy say she looks bad because he's.

Speaker 5 (01:59:57):
A bad person. Like when a bad person, you're trying
to be self pregnicus to a bad person, that's crazy.

Speaker 12 (02:00:06):
He's always in my day. I literally had not invite it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
I went just yeah, I know, I had not invite him.
I'm just saying, if he wants to jump on and
say let me on, I'll be come on, Isaiah.

Speaker 12 (02:00:15):
Yeah. Well, and here's the thing I think that you
can't have your.

Speaker 3 (02:00:18):
Cake into Okay, because you also went and said I've
never spoken to neck Funches before in my life. But
that was a lie.

Speaker 12 (02:00:26):
Okay, but or you didn't know, but we have spoken before. Okay, Yeah,
let's clarify that. Yes, I was wrong that there was that.
Oh he's doing the Jesus thing. I wish you denied it.
Breads up. No, if she saw a fight the way
out of it, stop because we have.

Speaker 5 (02:00:41):
Everybody knows if you know what they think. Whences, you
would deny that fucking name, ask you fucking you should,
and if you were yours company, you.

Speaker 12 (02:00:48):
Would absolutely deny that name. If you can't talk to him,
you people say I've never known this motherfucker.

Speaker 18 (02:00:54):
If it was happening by having the people, same things
don't happen.

Speaker 5 (02:01:00):
I don't fucking know, smart a little bit boring. That's
likely true, you bitch, No, you clipped on, you flatly comfortable. Likely,
But again, can't be mad when he feels some type
of way that you denied him. Now you've got him
in front of you. You can't be mad and.

Speaker 12 (02:01:16):
Be like, oh, you know it was a mistakes that
you can't do the mistakes, but made things. But you
can't do that shit, not to not to his face.
He's calling you.

Speaker 5 (02:01:24):
Out on it because you're trying to backfeil it, because
he's saying.

Speaker 12 (02:01:27):
To your audience, she's just bitch, been lyon. That's basically
what you're doing. I can't believe she gave him a
platform to come.

Speaker 5 (02:01:33):
And take her audience, because right now that's what she
He right now has taken her audience, because her audience
is again, if her audience is even on.

Speaker 12 (02:01:42):
That side, they found oh our real home. Oh this
is the real one.

Speaker 5 (02:01:49):
It's her younger audience who don't really know what a
hitler looks like. They're like, oh, this is the an
article you were the broad this is the real one.
I won't because.

Speaker 20 (02:02:05):
One conversation you worked out about what my husband was
working for. What was the app called parlor app arloer.

Speaker 12 (02:02:11):
Oh, I'm sorry, so there were two actually yeah, but
like I mean, come on, thin if the verses like
we had this long relief Excity, but we can't play
this hat now, they can't then get on my case
and say what you know the book I'm a lot
of I was crappy stuff going on. No, I'm not
saying but either all.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Got this story, yo, but I'd have forgot about the
conversation the other one years ago. I mean, okay, yes, okay,
you're right on ours I there was a conversation that.

Speaker 12 (02:02:37):
You and you can read this live opnion. Well we should.
We should throw it up. Let's throw it up and
post people can read what you're.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Okay, Like back in twenty nineteen when as a eighteen
nineteen there was a communication, I.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
Hadn't been in twenty twenty two during the Kanye Yeah,
I've always been honest.

Speaker 20 (02:02:49):
I've talked about that many times. That was on the
first time I remembered us having a conversation was the
Kanye sub So when I was saying, first time I
still Sam so fun. Yeah, I've been very honest.

Speaker 12 (02:02:58):
I'm sad that after because first you say we had
never spoken, and then.

Speaker 13 (02:03:01):
Implanted to oh.

Speaker 12 (02:03:03):
Maybe that's not true, and then you said, oh, we talk.

Speaker 20 (02:03:05):
I can legitimately tell you that that's a factually you're
very wrong, because.

Speaker 12 (02:03:09):
I had to.

Speaker 1 (02:03:10):
I had to confront that because of.

Speaker 20 (02:03:12):
Some legal stuff that was going on. I was like,
I was very open about the fact that I had
a conversation with you when you were hanging out with
yay I.

Speaker 12 (02:03:18):
We talk about the COMI right now, I can't care less.
But the point is that what was the difference, and
what we're.

Speaker 20 (02:03:22):
Talking about is a communication about a certain situation versus
like Kennison and Nick have some like background relationship or ordinating.

Speaker 12 (02:03:28):
That's just not true, you know. And so that was
what I was trying to expell because people.

Speaker 1 (02:03:32):
Were very seriously creating an insane conspiracy theory that I
was coordinating with you.

Speaker 12 (02:03:38):
It was it was insane. All I can tell you
was that retrospectfully was insane. And so if I forgot
one communication, that's a great conspiracy theory. Yet she is
now alive. An anti Semitic narrative and he was like
the prime and at that time kind of.

Speaker 22 (02:03:52):
Was involved with that anths emitting narrative that he is
a prime and then now she's.

Speaker 5 (02:03:57):
Spouting that stuff and they're like, aren't you talking to
It was, so, I haven't told you like that relationship. Stop,
we have relastip with Kanye, have replaced it with him
because he had buve with Kanye.

Speaker 12 (02:04:11):
About Parler. You are corrected by the chat and I
was like, yeah, no, he's right.

Speaker 18 (02:04:14):
I told him that my husband was not working I
think for like a Google or was.

Speaker 12 (02:04:19):
I don't know what you thought was happening, but it
wasn't real.

Speaker 13 (02:04:21):
And I told you that.

Speaker 12 (02:04:22):
So I just kind of shut down some conspiracy that
you were on.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
And then it was to Kanye was theirs and there
were other people who genuinely believed that you and I
are like in this communicative relationship coordinating I'm ordering with drivers,
and that was.

Speaker 12 (02:04:38):
It was just I don't know what to say.

Speaker 1 (02:04:40):
It was it was really looney the m me from
older men, and I realized that you were kind of
very effectively getting to people.

Speaker 12 (02:04:47):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
But yeah, I mean, look I've been you know, there's
a long time ago now, it was a year ago.
I didn't I didn't prepare the timeline in advance. But
the way that I recalled, we said we had never
talked before, and you said when we talked once during yay, No,
then we don't believe though was the case.

Speaker 12 (02:05:04):
But maybe I'm wrong about that. But like I said,
I don't have it in front of me, but it
felt like I felt like you weren't being completely forthcoming
about it. Be forecoming.

Speaker 20 (02:05:12):
I'm the most enters my audience, so nothing is off
record if we don't.

Speaker 12 (02:05:15):
Know about you wrong right now we broke them.

Speaker 3 (02:05:17):
What did I like about I did forget? The parlor
said we had never talked before. We had actually talked
a couple of times. Yeah, but about the same situation.

Speaker 12 (02:05:24):
You get my point. We were dealing with something with gay.
This was not like chars beating out, like hey.

Speaker 3 (02:05:29):
Nick, But that's what when I read her music and
we talked about unrelated things and we talked before, Kay,
he said, we've.

Speaker 12 (02:05:34):
Never talked before. I don't know anything about him. I
don't know. I didn't know anything about me.

Speaker 18 (02:05:39):
That's just.

Speaker 5 (02:05:41):
I was okay, I said, Yeah, she said she's clinically insane.
She said and she slighted me, Well, aren't sound word?

Speaker 12 (02:05:55):
Are these children? I thought he was the child. What
has happened? You have kids?

Speaker 5 (02:06:02):
You can't as the adults be like, He's like, you
denied knowing me. She's like, now we had said. She's like, no,
you didn't have something to say certain something matter. She said,
I don't know nothing about it.

Speaker 13 (02:06:17):
We never talked.

Speaker 12 (02:06:18):
She's like, well, you know, She's like, why are you? Like,
why are you saying well, She's like, say, standing be
like I did, I haven't. I bet you a hundred dollars.
He would have backed off because she's like, I did.
I fucked up?

Speaker 5 (02:06:31):
And he'd be like, cool, so you lie, and she
would have been like yump by line. She would have stopped,
but it would have had her audience and that would
have made her have to be live like the most
honest work no liars. The first thing they say is
I'm the most honest person in my audience. How are
you the most honest person in your audience? You don't
know those people well? And how are you part of

(02:06:55):
the audience?

Speaker 13 (02:06:55):
You're there's your career, how are.

Speaker 12 (02:06:59):
You anna vict it and a narcissist at the same time,
that's crazy. I don't know. That doesn't confuse my brainway,
I don't know that they're like, I.

Speaker 13 (02:07:11):
Can't understand how you can, don't you?

Speaker 12 (02:07:14):
At the same time, like you're no when you're confronted. No,
when you're confronted because follow narcissus died why staring at his.

Speaker 5 (02:07:24):
Reflection and eventually drowned because of seeing them, like, well,
face then come down here if you wone to stare
at the waterloo fifty woman died when the narcissists face
with her little reflection actually.

Speaker 12 (02:07:37):
Any bold relation. She can't face it. That's crazy, that's
confusing to me. She cannot face her reflection. Remember, she's
gonna atipt the ices stement on the scene. So he's
literally sayings, di me, and you're trying to be a victim.

(02:08:01):
Fits I've lived through this, How dare you? That's manipulative
to the always you have to think about it is
he actually has he actually has the.

Speaker 5 (02:08:16):
Real experience to say he has been a victim for
just cause, to be clear.

Speaker 12 (02:08:22):
But he has been a victim.

Speaker 5 (02:08:24):
And she's facing the same backlash now and he's saying, bits,
you denied me when I was going through it, and
after even you're going through it, How dare you not
bring me hoor to talk about this and you denied me?

Speaker 12 (02:08:36):
Then you try to have you So he's offended because
you're both ATHLETs and she doesn't even understand that weird
is that I said to based on my own assess things,
like I thought that there was a bigger risk because
somebody was getting involved in his campaign, had bill for
that individual to be open about our feeling people. Obviously

(02:09:00):
as a friend of day.

Speaker 18 (02:09:02):
That was going on, as I expressed that is and
the best playing that Jesus Rise.

Speaker 22 (02:09:11):
Of Mount says an anti semi and he affiliates with
the known anti semi.

Speaker 5 (02:09:16):
So of course Candas you're helping with Kanya with politics,
Candas denied h white fraight sing.

Speaker 12 (02:09:24):
Nancy Sami, and.

Speaker 5 (02:09:26):
You're a black politician, of course you would not to
your playing for fault. It's bad optics when you can't
when you're now in the same bonus hill at the
devotion because Kanye in the same people.

Speaker 12 (02:09:39):
Will you know what's gonna.

Speaker 13 (02:09:40):
Do If to the son of Kanye you're prosing.

Speaker 12 (02:09:43):
He'll be like, why Kane denied me?

Speaker 3 (02:09:46):
Just like you?

Speaker 12 (02:09:47):
This is Kanye's pard enough you was more than Kanye
and play the female guards to the mission. Guess what
I'm at your neck now? Why you deny me? Kannie's
part of the backup with You know.

Speaker 5 (02:10:00):
He's Mark, he knows it. Fischool know he tuck, he did,
he didn't want room. Everybody knows enough. Here's lord them
won't have him on sok ain't God count speak. But
you're a bitch, fitch me go up because the little sucker.

Speaker 18 (02:10:19):
I'll sell people. Fuck he winship the time. They're my
fucking team. And it's just thinking about like it's just
a cute. But at the end of the day, I
will never have said it. But I will never have
him lot because he knows that he does. He'll have
his left, He'll have him sence, He'll have people for

(02:10:40):
all the hatch.

Speaker 12 (02:10:41):
And that's the problem is that people go all.

Speaker 22 (02:10:43):
The way to the fucking right and on the way
into somebody. It's people just don't know. It's the wireless masses.

Speaker 13 (02:10:51):
He can turn them.

Speaker 12 (02:10:54):
And can say, don't ask us him understand what the
fuck she did her people for all the ducking he'd
like he's crazy or he's not. She's not to be
alarmed because he's stayt like and you're just said a

(02:11:22):
person as the fact that he has an affective She
has had to have the side he has to.

Speaker 13 (02:11:33):
Put on the prophet and helps the sort of.

Speaker 12 (02:11:39):
Because he can be like he's happens with everybody. He's
not yet.

Speaker 13 (02:11:50):
And I like missus.

Speaker 5 (02:11:55):
And I have the girls she's given understand and she said,
and saying fear because they see what's happening.

Speaker 13 (02:12:02):
They know.

Speaker 5 (02:12:05):
Like he's more the generation song thout years ago killed
and they see us understand.

Speaker 23 (02:12:16):
If I'm still sitting and seeing her a lie.

Speaker 12 (02:12:21):
That's a problem and you're stupid.

Speaker 5 (02:12:23):
That's like nasizing whoa if president trumping? President da no
babar a lie? She said, We're like, you're not even
noticing he's calling he's calling out chastising everybody.

Speaker 12 (02:12:41):
She I'm like, she doesn't kid. I'm like, how dim
with it can you be? That's just like, that's a
level of narcissism.

Speaker 23 (02:12:50):
That is not dangerous here because this thing is like see.

Speaker 13 (02:13:03):
That she secret the moment.

Speaker 12 (02:13:11):
She put out her audience is done. She's done. She
knows it. She knows it. Her upside is the said,
don't break put the sun on your website. You're getting
to put to sit out freak. He know it. He
has to as a white has a white girl, he
has to know. He's like, Nope, Nope, nope, this person

(02:13:32):
don't get killed. Nope. They don't realize. She's like nope,
because she didn't kick the loss.

Speaker 13 (02:13:38):
She said to the horns, and she fucking to the
main one. She got the main.

Speaker 12 (02:13:45):
Baby, No, this motherfucker's presid this is a demon.

Speaker 13 (02:13:50):
That's what I'm like. I'm like, so fucking brush and I'm.

Speaker 12 (02:13:54):
Like this prisiness, so fucking dope.

Speaker 13 (02:13:56):
And she don't know Saven know what's.

Speaker 12 (02:14:02):
It's.

Speaker 13 (02:14:06):
I can't.

Speaker 12 (02:14:09):
Seculate and I can find this song, I find this something.

Speaker 13 (02:14:21):
It was easy find me.

Speaker 24 (02:14:23):
You see you see a psychopaths like what last so easy?

Speaker 18 (02:14:38):
Calls the parkment are you cannot wants me? You're setting
up present. Don't person you.

Speaker 5 (02:14:49):
Have been dripping out of back and baby May said, don't.

Speaker 13 (02:14:54):
What they take go on?

Speaker 5 (02:14:56):
So this is right, This is how hard is they're
trying to stop this. He's go pres leftist. I'm not
even joking, that's not even a joke. He is the
fear of every college professor.

Speaker 22 (02:15:14):
Because again remember everybody has everybody turn.

Speaker 12 (02:15:18):
Their back on him, everybody that they thought was the extreme.
They're like, yes, Rin Sapiro, Yes he's the little canvass.
Yes he is not at gunpoints if you are for
men to come here. They're like, he's everything that they
say that Donald Trump, No he is again again rum compsation.

Speaker 5 (02:15:46):
Potatas because again this is an alivenment between presidents, alignment
between the.

Speaker 22 (02:15:56):
National media, alive between and a pandic medium.

Speaker 12 (02:16:01):
Why people everybody.

Speaker 13 (02:16:04):
Should be saying, we are.

Speaker 12 (02:16:07):
To give him.

Speaker 13 (02:16:08):
You said, I want to becoming.

Speaker 12 (02:16:12):
Find why the they said that, because you want to
be like, ask a question, answer if you're approximated him.

Speaker 1 (02:16:22):
He's mad at me for this, Isn't that because he
was mad at me for a couple.

Speaker 12 (02:16:25):
Of days and I said, please just tell him this.

Speaker 13 (02:16:27):
That was it.

Speaker 12 (02:16:28):
So our communication about my law and then you vouch
for me with you, Yeah, and my own I want Yeah,
Milo and I since t have talked about it, you know,
because and he respects the fact that Ques said, I'm
very honest. So you're not gonna catch me your day.
I'm gonna try to catch but I don't even lecture mate. No,
you can talk.

Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
I want you to be as open as possible about
this because I just think that there's been so.

Speaker 12 (02:16:48):
Much crap that's been said that's just untrue. Yes, the
person was Mile. I wasn't gonna identify him. But Myle
and I have six talked about it because he recognizes
that I was just concerned about Yay is the recent communication.

Speaker 20 (02:16:58):
He was because the person that I knew was not Hugh,
it was not my Low, it was Yay And I
was concerned obviously with everything that was going down. He
had been in my house when things were going down.
I was just concerned and I wanted to make sure
that I was protecting him because what I what I
knew from mylot publicly, because I didn't know my Lie either.
Have I had a correspondence with Milo in the past
in order to you, Yeah, I saw him have David
Harwich's Radom Foundation, But I didn't know mylog.

Speaker 12 (02:17:21):
I didn't know you, and I was just trying to
protect ye. And so the extent of our conversation was
about what you were not related to this man, this man,

(02:17:42):
this is fair or your idol. I think it's because
she doesn't have another because she don't come another. Yes,
she don't have another person that's more and you know

(02:18:06):
is not America.

Speaker 13 (02:18:07):
So she's like.

Speaker 1 (02:18:13):
Trying to be a good friend to somebody else. It
wasn't like and I told people that it wasn't I
didn't tell the audience.

Speaker 12 (02:18:18):
Is that what I'm saying is that I didn't tell
you off. But that's key because I'm not a part
of the other common I didn't know you. I didn't
know you just because I communicate with you about Yeah,
it doesn't mean that we know each other. I don't
know if we've never talked, I've never had anything to do.
That's that's not true. I've never never talked. That's not true.
That's the implication if you say you don't know nobody

(02:18:39):
with the answer like do you know? You know?

Speaker 13 (02:18:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (02:18:41):
It's the tone. She knows what you're trying to She's
trying to articulate, like you know what you mean if
you say you don't know somebody and you've never talked,
but you don't follow up with I've never talked when
you've talked to them like you have, at least in professional.

Speaker 13 (02:18:56):
Relationship, you did you say.

Speaker 12 (02:19:00):
That, But that is people are going to ask why
are you I said, you.

Speaker 5 (02:19:05):
Know that's going to be a follow up ques what
you said, okay, and then.

Speaker 12 (02:19:09):
I said, we did talk. Okay, We're going to give
you the right to pull the clip of.

Speaker 1 (02:19:14):
Me saying I have never thought I've never talked any
pointest because I.

Speaker 12 (02:19:17):
Can't get into that. I'm talking about that, okay.

Speaker 20 (02:19:19):
And honestly, Wilarify spoke to Milo about that, like you
know and said, look, he understands that.

Speaker 12 (02:19:26):
That was my perspective obviously getting into the movement.

Speaker 13 (02:19:30):
I like just like you.

Speaker 12 (02:19:31):
When I first find was.

Speaker 1 (02:19:31):
Coming in, I was reading a lot of Milo's blogs,
a lot of his writings at Breibart, and he kind
of turned the.

Speaker 12 (02:19:38):
Lights on for me in terms of feminism and the
b LM movement. Uh so we.

Speaker 4 (02:19:44):
So malois is a gay?

Speaker 12 (02:19:47):
Never really had I would say the same, he's a
gay Trump before Oh no that no no no, no, no, no,
no no no, he's reading the last name. I think
it's more like or you get a black one, you

(02:20:09):
black guys. And the reason why he.

Speaker 5 (02:20:12):
Got kicked a guy's life gets really popular, one more
properly like the bad old one before he gets really good.
What he did he got in hot water because he's
got his famous and two one was drunk and everything
like that said, it's not like he basically said, like
most gay relationships aren't necessarily like, it's not necessarily predatory.

Speaker 12 (02:20:33):
Because it's not a man on the other.

Speaker 13 (02:20:37):
Him.

Speaker 12 (02:20:38):
Yes, And then he was carefully on top of it, dobating.
Really man, Yeah, he bought it.

Speaker 22 (02:20:48):
I want to know how, No one he bought and
he kept talking. He kept trying to battle his way
out of it. But everybody like none toy, it's weird.
And then the game people like fish.

Speaker 13 (02:21:04):
That's what I heard about it.

Speaker 12 (02:21:05):
Yeah, because the gay people were.

Speaker 25 (02:21:06):
Like, you fucked up the cost father of us, and
the gap church like you fucked up the cass bambus
And he's like this a bitch fu and he gets
fall back because they like.

Speaker 12 (02:21:20):
The probably he's like, you fucked up the cause for
all of us trumps.

Speaker 13 (02:21:25):
Like the talk.

Speaker 22 (02:21:29):
I have to say, like kind of felion, dude, why
And he kept saying like something strumo and they're like, dude.

Speaker 12 (02:21:39):
I'm real, they're talking about yourself and that that makes
you see it's still bad.

Speaker 5 (02:21:46):
So yeah, that was him. That's so that's the Miley En.
So since then he's been on like a Sports Girls mission.
He's like still like sheep, they kind of like doing Trump,
still like trying to do what they trying to rebuild
their career.

Speaker 13 (02:21:57):
But he's like all the game, that's some.

Speaker 5 (02:21:58):
Retire so out he's definitely going on Sports Her because
Kanye projected him, so he was definitely talking shit about
Kansas began kids.

Speaker 12 (02:22:06):
Just say making put the handholder and a speti and
he said he definitely hands samatic and he.

Speaker 5 (02:22:13):
Doesn't counter and he semi early, but she's trying to
press charges and that's the case. He's talking of boats.
So now that it's true, the case's like the case
is on go and don't want to missake. Like now
you mentioned his spile, the vilel colter an semitic early
he's like this biscuit.

Speaker 12 (02:22:27):
Hand semitic beau. That's when Big like, oh this motherbuck's.

Speaker 5 (02:22:30):
Anti semitic and you don't play that that to day
with Gianopolis and his pama definitely, and he's gay and
he's very like he's very anti Nazi. So once he
found out that, she's like, oh well cannt. Yeah, then
you told he's behind us.

Speaker 22 (02:22:44):
So he's been kicked out ROMMS Honorable.

Speaker 12 (02:22:49):
Society after the ship that he said, because it's still
like roming phrase, but behind the scenes in real life
he's out going to the.

Speaker 22 (02:22:56):
Tier like no, he's playing suspended more bucks in the
file and that's what's just talking about it.

Speaker 12 (02:23:05):
So now again the two people forces. The people are saying, like, stop,
I didn't I didn't really know my love. I knew
was writing into his perk, So I just don't understand
what I did wrong by saying I don't know that
I didn't. I don't know you, but you know, well,
once again we're kind of massaging the words you said.

(02:23:26):
We never talked. I know nothing about him. I don't
know him when we had talked, and then you got
to change the statement and said, oh no, let told
I got on it up. Okay, we come on, you
gotta hould it up.

Speaker 5 (02:23:35):
Now we can't.

Speaker 12 (02:23:35):
I don't have it on me. I didn't know I
was coming in you said it was.

Speaker 13 (02:23:40):
But that's fine.

Speaker 12 (02:23:41):
Profited you wanted to. You wanted to litigate the beef.
I'm happy to do it. I don't have what you
received prepared, but if we could do it perfect, I
do not know Nicks. I don't know you, but you
all everyone can see what you guys are doing to me.
Your power is well established the world.

Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
I die, and the and the world's waking up to
round of just having stuff for myself against.

Speaker 12 (02:24:03):
Your network of spears. I'm responding to the ad L
and saying I don't know you.

Speaker 13 (02:24:07):
I didn't know.

Speaker 12 (02:24:07):
I didn't know you.

Speaker 18 (02:24:08):
I did.

Speaker 12 (02:24:08):
I thought you got the only statement it was on
my show. I don't have it. Okay, if you want to,
just so everyone can this is this is pre reported.

Speaker 1 (02:24:20):
So I'm just gonna say, if you do all home
and find the clip of me saying.

Speaker 12 (02:24:24):
Something that you believe was lying, then I'm happy to
share it because I don't like to let just not
share in my head, Ronda, just help you to fuel
the consequences.

Speaker 1 (02:24:33):
So I had three separate communications, two separate communications with
you before I got fired.

Speaker 12 (02:24:38):
And they were limited to a discussing bars us discussing game.
Which think that's a fair assessment of justice.

Speaker 1 (02:24:43):
Okay, fine, done, Okay, fact checking when test because.

Speaker 12 (02:24:48):
We told him obviously that you could send us anything
in post would drop it in, he said that I
denied that I had contact with him.

Speaker 20 (02:25:01):
This is the proof that he sent us right here,
and you can see that I tweeted on November twenty.

Speaker 12 (02:25:05):
Fifth, twenty twenty two, I tweeted, I have that for
my life. But in contact with Milo, anopolis was born
Nick contact rational trying to either of them, and is
simply the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:25:21):
I met Milo twice, both times the Naven Harwich Freedom Center.

Speaker 12 (02:25:25):
We were often invited as speakers years ago as.

Speaker 1 (02:25:37):
Nick, and this was technically not true because I did
have public contact with Nick that then kind of rolled
into a private correspondence.

Speaker 20 (02:25:48):
All reato, this is what I tweeted the publicly, I tweeted,
this isn't true, responding to Nick. He was tweeting something
about Parlor, which as the CEO of Parlor, so I was.

Speaker 12 (02:25:57):
Inventing my husband. I said, this is not true. Bapple
was under a serious pressure.

Speaker 1 (02:26:08):
Why they reinstated the APPR term though in my opinion,
if Nick dun't student Apple.

Speaker 12 (02:26:15):
Firm Marler again, I'm not here to depending my husband's honor.
But to Nick's credit, I then.

Speaker 1 (02:26:20):
That right after said this to him via DM, a
private correspondence basically just again talking about Parlor.

Speaker 12 (02:26:27):
And saying that I couldn't say anything just yet, and
that was our correspondence that we had, but I believed
it never Apper can see it stated in April nineteen,
twenty twenty one. I was sincere when I said, but
I didn't have any contact with Nick in twenty twenty two,

(02:26:49):
but I did forget this correspondence stuff. Back to the conversation,
but going on to the other of the broader point,
and I wanted to make I'm gladly want to be
back because I think that there's been a lot of
people on the Internet that have said things that are
not true. So that is the basis of the community
that we've had and the whole when I was very
aware of obviously like the law of.

Speaker 1 (02:27:09):
The boy perswading when I got fired, genuinely didn't knows
what the draper movement.

Speaker 12 (02:27:13):
Was outside the sea. You guys got a pop up
which campuses and begin to ask some questions that I
actually thought were very fair and the questions that I
hadn't considered. You know, why was I when I was
working at Turning for a USA Tory peperman who is
being homosexual married man?

Speaker 1 (02:27:31):
Can you talk about person foremost where the raper is
and how the moving this story, well, it.

Speaker 3 (02:27:36):
Got started in twenty nineteen while Charlie Kirk was doing
his first big college sport and I forget actually the first.

Speaker 12 (02:27:44):
One I think it was Doporado and a couple of
bands on my show. I didn't not want to do this. Actually,
people as before should we do this? This a good idea?
And I said no, I don't think so. But you
guys WO watched the show. They went out on their
own and the.

Speaker 3 (02:28:00):
One guy asked a question about legal immigration. They're guess
the legal before legal immigration?

Speaker 12 (02:28:05):
How's that conservative? And then another guy came up and
he said something about Israel.

Speaker 13 (02:28:10):
You know, you seem to be Israel.

Speaker 18 (02:28:11):
The first one about America and the two clips to
move up and I on my show, I said that
was unbelievable. That was really awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:28:19):
I said, because you know, we show up in maga
hats and rosaries. Who we are you know, which is
Trump pro trunk Catholics, and we present is the real
right wing? This is unignorm and people start to ask
these questions. So the following day did another event I
think in Iowa. Once again there were a couple of
roipers asking these types of questions. Then the third day

(02:28:39):
in New Hampshire, same story. I remember doing a show
covering the latest bathsot climps to turn into a thing.
You're covering them on the show every night. The climpse
of these questions, Pats of.

Speaker 13 (02:28:54):
Broad there's a new.

Speaker 18 (02:28:55):
Variation there that maymar of who they would work with,
one of them of being personal fraud.

Speaker 12 (02:29:02):
Why is it named Raper? I don't know. I literally
doesn't know the Graper mean. He came from a Twitter
account called bat Brouper. He just named it. Doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 3 (02:29:11):
No, yeah, it was technically called easter Toad was the drawing,
the proprietary drawing, and some Twitter users started calling it grouper.
And at that time, you know people would personalized Grouper's
and make.

Speaker 12 (02:29:23):
Them an avatar, so you know they'd have different themes and.

Speaker 3 (02:29:26):
Different personalities, and Yper became synonymous with like a far right,
like the pre target like Grouper was like, this guy
is painfully obnoxiously far right.

Speaker 12 (02:29:38):
And so I said on my show Managing, you're Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (02:29:42):
You're standing up there on the stage sweating and you
have a line of roipers asking you questions about the
USS liberty and dancing Israeli. I said, what must be
going through is had and ever since then, they took
the Grouper standing upright because the famous picture as he's
sitting down like this, but they took a picture of
the groupers standing up right. And there was a meme

(02:30:03):
at the time of Alex Jones walking down an alleyway
and they copy pasted a bunch of Alex Jones.

Speaker 12 (02:30:09):
They said it was an army of Alex Jones as
someone took that meme.

Speaker 3 (02:30:13):
And they did it with Grouper's. They had an army
of Royper's marching down the alley and I said, that's us.
That's the Groyper's lining up to ask Charlie character question.
So that that was the origin of the name interesting.

Speaker 12 (02:30:23):
I was always wondering to like, what does raper actually mean?
And so it's a lot of people that have these
anonymous accounts, anonymous accounts, and I like, I said the
show a little bit, but I thought it was very
interesting because it was a guess question I hadn't really
wrappled with, which is I do? On stage, I'm saying
that I'm a Christian and you have per born with
somebody who is an almost actual married man. How do
I reconcile that?

Speaker 1 (02:30:44):
And rather than kind of getting the answer, I think
I particularly remember one Cliff with.

Speaker 13 (02:30:50):
What is his name?

Speaker 12 (02:30:51):
I'm totally blanking here, black army backs, you know, Brop Smith.

Speaker 3 (02:30:57):
It.

Speaker 12 (02:30:57):
Yeah, it was a moment with Rob Smith, and I
think somebody doubted down the person.

Speaker 1 (02:31:01):
And said that they were a hope like homophoba that
the question is homophobic, And at that moment I went, yeah,
you can't do that.

Speaker 12 (02:31:07):
You've got to actually answer the question. There could be
an answer, but we can't be like lem and just
call people these because we don't maybe want too good
products that there is in this question, but that you
guys put them or maybe at something you disargu.

Speaker 13 (02:31:23):
Core.

Speaker 12 (02:31:24):
Who are the grippers behind the scenes? Do you have
to engage with the agils? They're really obviously My point
is that like this, when you guys are bought a
group cat, you know the individuals you get into graphic
Are they older? Are they younger? Who are the groupers?

Speaker 3 (02:31:41):
Well, they are real human beings. They're all young white
men or there's other men too. I mean some of
them are spanning, some of them are black, some of
them are Jewish for that matter. But they're mostly young
men college age generation. See some of them even high
school aged. And they and all of them very Christian,
very Catholic. Also they're fans of the show. You know

(02:32:02):
a lot of people say have this cult like following.
People watch the show and they adopt the political viewpoint,
the religious viewpoint, and so they're basically far right.

Speaker 18 (02:32:12):
Romar Catholic at that time, big Trump supporters and young.

Speaker 12 (02:32:16):
Guys right and they have question their nicktest. She definitely
watched them. Let's watch them blind the.

Speaker 3 (02:32:23):
First one macanad that showed me Skyler, Why is it
the canis Son's will interview harved your lives?

Speaker 12 (02:32:29):
You know before she'll talk to me so true? Am
I glad yourself? People said, when can is so? And
split with Daily Wire? People begged her to do a
collaboration with me. They said, talk to Nick Wentzes. You
stole always talking points and.

Speaker 23 (02:32:48):
Talked to Ness.

Speaker 12 (02:32:49):
You get all your ideas from him, all your Stullians.

Speaker 13 (02:32:55):
He was a martyr.

Speaker 3 (02:32:55):
He made the sacrifices that made it popular for you
to do this.

Speaker 12 (02:33:00):
So you can't pause, I'm on YouTube. I also can't
kind of remem on my web, so I prost lost through.
I'd also grappy that parts were proud watching it. That no,
I do want to say, we don't have to get
anything of it. That's crappy to me because it was like,
I don't know. I just think that I tried to
do a really good docuting a human being offline, you know.

Speaker 13 (02:33:19):
What I mean, and people are going through stuff or whatever,
and that.

Speaker 12 (02:33:21):
It was very my god, I'm like you pint of me, victim.
It was my real. My life was kind of you
saw I was throwing.

Speaker 1 (02:33:25):
It was thrown up in the air. But we don't
do any focused on that. But I do want to
get some point. Do you actually believe that I was
getting all my ideas from you?

Speaker 12 (02:33:32):
But do you actually I was watching THROSTV because I then.

Speaker 1 (02:33:35):
Somebody showed me a clip of you saying the same
thing because I had I guess you said.

Speaker 12 (02:33:39):
The same week where you said Blastophe. If I was
talking about this on this we be cancer just talking
about it.

Speaker 1 (02:33:43):
And it was purtaining to the PBS documentary The Savage Piece,
which was about the German geneside that took place after
the war had ended, and.

Speaker 12 (02:33:53):
That documentary opened up my eyes, a lot of the fact,
the whole kind of one strand regarding World War Two,
and I've told my audience they should watch it. And
there was a clip of you kind of suggesting that
I got that from you. So did you actually leave?
I remember that I was watching your chos, feeling your ideas,
not that one.

Speaker 3 (02:34:11):
I don't know if that's all about I don't think,
but but look, I mean, you left Daily Wire with
the whole crisis King America first. For years, that's what
I was known for. Now, if you want to say
you'd never heard of me until a couple of years ago,
or now I've heard of you in twenty nineteen. You
said you said earlier though that you know you didn't
really watch anything or know anything until about a year ago.

(02:34:33):
If that's what you say, okay, that's fine, but it'd
be a pretty stunning coincidence. And I will say I
heard from other people. I'm not going to say who,
but I heard from a mutual friend you watch my
show back in twenty twenty. Maybe that person's lying. I
don't know that, but i'd heard that from multiple people.
So you can name the person because I'm telling you so.
And then I'll ask this question again. So you said

(02:34:54):
Crisis King. That's very interesting.

Speaker 12 (02:34:56):
Do you think that any person that says cristis King. No,
I didn't say that.

Speaker 13 (02:35:00):
Yeah, I actually do.

Speaker 12 (02:35:01):
You want to understand I'm not I'm not genuinely pushing
back here because I was very confused by this. I'm like, yeah,
just named his whole album Jesus Kingdom, right.

Speaker 20 (02:35:09):
Yes, he talked a lot of you, absolutely talk a
lot about me included.

Speaker 12 (02:35:14):
So I wanted to invite you onto the podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:35:17):
Because a lot of your videos have been going viral. Obviously,
it will not surprise you to learn that, according to
the media, he might be the most evil person in
the world.

Speaker 12 (02:35:29):
I say that about me. Yes, a reputation and definitely
anti Semitic.

Speaker 1 (02:35:35):
Racist, and misogynist. There have been real fears of people
thinking about their career of movement. So I did something
before this interview. As I went back into my phone
and wrote Nick Flentest, I wanted to try to remember
the first time that I actually heard your name, and
it was in twenty nineteen a text message that somebody
had shared with me that Ashley Saint Clair had been

(02:35:58):
had acquired Turning Point USA, and this part was speaking
about Ashley Saint Clair and had mentioned that she got
in trouble or whenever it happens, because she took a
photo with you and that you were this big anti semite.
And then later that year I had a conversation about
the growth m so it's Luke is moldy over.

Speaker 12 (02:36:21):
That was the beginning of it. Okay, yes,

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