July 1, 2025 • 51 mins
In this episode, the Good Ole Boys take a hard look at Billboard's recently released list of the Top 75 R&B Artists of All Time. With lively discussions, the guys dissect the rankings, highlighting the most egregious placements and omissions. From the surprising inclusion of Summer Walker to the glaring absence of legends like Sade, the conversation is both passionate and entertaining. Tune in as they weigh in on the criteria used for the list and argue over the rightful spots of icons like Marvin Gaye, Luther Vandross, and many more!Don't forget to subscribe and share!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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back here in rock Hill, South.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Carolina and the Charlotte, North Carolina metropolitan area. We all
to go to old Boys on the Forecast Media Radio
Network with Dave Mario, Washington, Black Trump, Graham Wiz queues
out this week man. Uh so check it out, man.
We ain't gonna waste no time like with the particulars man.
(00:41):
Uh we would jump into like uh something that was
like quite egregious, and we had no intentions on doing
this as a show. And then like I stayed up
late on Friday night and I got mad the more
I thought about it, and I said, you know what,
we gotta talk about this. So the Billboard decided to
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release the top seventy five best R and B Artists
of all time full staff picks, Staff, Trevor Anderson and others.
I'm assuming they're all twelve years old, all right, that's
not one or one hundred or one hundred no, no, no,
only one or two artists on here would be in
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your wheelhouse if you was one hundred.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Are you crazy? Right?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Like Ruth Brown, who Steve, that's disrespectful. They agreed on
the following criteria vocal prowess, body of work, career longevity,
industry achievements, game changing influence, and enduring generational cultural impact.
(01:50):
That's a lot and for some reason, there are people
on this list that have absolutely zero business being on
this list, if that is the criteria. Now, but in
this first segment, we want to jump into like some
of the bad placements that we're on here. We'll get
to Ruth Brown later. She was number seventy five. Some
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of Walker's number seventy.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Four, and you know, I'm gonna I mean, she's good,
but I don't know if I can put a top
seventy five yet.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's a little crazy, but I was a little I.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Thought it was weird.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
She's been in the game for about seven years. Yeah,
well women love her.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Let's let's address her like a little bit later though, man,
But like I just was saying that she.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Was on the list.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Is Edna James too low on the list at number
seventy three? Eda James shouldn't be Yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I feel like edit James kid. But see, no, they
got Kisha Cole rated ranked the head of Edna James.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
How many instances Eda James have that you know? Besides
at Last? All I could do was cry, trusting.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Me because I'm not seventy seven years old. But I
think Mario's looking at it right because you don't know
anything outside of ad last career. We used to argue, well,
we used to talk about, Damn, this person has the
greatest hits album and then it has that one song
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five times.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
That's Edna James. She has an at Last, Acapella at Last,
Damn movie version at Last, Extended version at Last featuring
whoever ruthur Brown.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Hated Bobby Womack is at number sixty nine.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah, that's about right. I was trying not to I
was trying not to say it, but it is about right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Both of y'all can like, go, where where do you
have him? I got him in the Damn five in
my list.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Top five your personal list now? Yes, realistic ranking seventy
five R.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And B singers at least top ten, accomplishment at least
top ten.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I mean, I mean he we love hold.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
On what to me and you talk about about when
you know you are a great artist is when they
give you a soundtrack to do He's done one.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, but I mean he was maybe what number eight
out of like male R and B singers, But you got.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Tank ahead of Bobby Wolmack. Tank shouldn't be on the list,
should be on the list.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Tank is the Chauncey billups of male R and B singers, Like.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
How the hell that's gotta have too much?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
How the hell is he on there? And genuine isn't
on there?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, well we will, We'll go get it at that
in a minute. Uh, let's see, uh.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Uh talk about Frank Ocean please, he's forty seven.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Frank Ocean, and Frank Ocean is extremely I they got
Frank Ocean ahead of the likes of Jill.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
They got him ahead of Rick James too.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Jill Scott, Stephanie Mills, Rick James, John Legend, Bobby brown Hill. Well, well,
Lauren is another story. We would get in at that
in the second segment. We get into at a second segment.
But but Frank Ocean, Uh no, Frank, Frank Osan actually
is higher in forty seven. Frank saw Frank gos in
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his top forty he's thirty eight. They got him just
above Maxwell at thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Oh lord, well, we know what what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean he was making good music. But like this,
like geez, Alasia Cheese at thirty three.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I do because Alicia Cheese is one of the worst singers.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
She's got a lot of hiss. She can't sing.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I mean, you can't sing at all.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Bruh, I don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Uh, Erica had twenty eight. That is that too high?
Like because she's way hired than jail, like way hired
in jail.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You and you think Jill should be hired in her
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Alicia Keys ahead of Tony Brexton.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And then she is on this list.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I mean Alicia Keys has more longevity as far as
being on the top. Tony had the first three albums.
Alicia had a run. Alicia is ahead of Babyface. Alicia
didn't have a run like Babyface.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
How many people have a lot too many?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But where would you put Babyface like his baby face
top thirty.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Babyface at least top thirty, at probably top twenty if
you a compass all day he wrote like we don't
get boys to men without Babyface. We don't get Tony
Brixton without baby face. We don't get TLC without babyface.
We don't get John b without babyface getting the way
we don't want to exit.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, we do get Boys of Men and TLC without babyface.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, you don't. Yes, is Dallas Austin great? But I'm
saying Boys and Man doesn't become boys to men without babyface.
Love Face Records doesn't exist without babyface. But I'm surprised
the outcast without baby face?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Who the F is?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I'm surprised nobody said anything about Chris Brown being twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Chris brought us too high. He's twenty six, so that's
way too forty. That's way too high. He's top forty
because he's had a long run.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He's top thirty.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
The kid's say, the kids say he's greater than Michael.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
He's not greater than Mike. Buddy. Top threty is fair.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
The kids are on drugs if they believe that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
They're on drugs either way.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, music, So.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Though, who should be higher? I don't care what you think.
Robert nine, Robert needs to be higher.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We're going to talk about We're going to talk about
Robert a little bit later. But we're talking about the
Billboard list. All the music is the top fourteen artists
from this Billboard list, and we got it as short
as we could possibly get it, so we could end
up like talking a lot longer about this because we're
real mad about this. As obviously as you can see
(08:43):
back on the Good Old Boys Forecast Media Radio Network,
we're talking about this trash Billboard top seventy five list
of R and B artists of all time. Now let's
get into people who didn't make the list. Trump, You
go ahead, and I know you want to. You want
to get this off your chests real fast, man, I'm
(09:03):
gonna curse.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Where the fuck is shot at?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
That is crazy? Is not on this list?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Like?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Like seriously, she should at least be top forty, I'll say,
And that's loose, like she could be hired and she
can be top thirty in my book, But how is
she not on this list at all?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Her being or not on the list is completely egregious,
Like that's it's probably the most egregious. There are several
other egregious omissions from this list, but that was probably
the top top one.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
It was so bad like when me and and Thye
Mario Washington was talking about it. He didn't even notice it,
probably because it was just an expectation that she was
on the list, and then you have to do a double.
You had a double and be like what, No, she's
not on the list.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I like, now, now, here's the only thing that I
could possibly say. And I told you this as well.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Her.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Being more like jazzy as opposed to being R and
B and this is allegedly an R and B list,
I could say that a little bit right.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
There. There's people like like let us See is on
this list. That's true, and let us See is like
a modern day jazz artist and she doesn't have like
a third of the hits that has.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, that is pretty stupid. Why do you put let
us on the list and not?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, So on top of the fact that Shade has
had so many freaking billboard hits, like I don't know
what they were looking at, Like now, now, I will
grant it granted. As far as like having like a
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number one R and B song, She's got one, only one,
and it's not what you would think is Paradise is
the only song that she made that reached number one
on the US R and B chart, So that tells
you that it's not quite R and B in their opinion.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Oh, I mean, like I said, there's there's an other
artist on this list that I don't even know if
they have, like an R and B song like JB. Yeah,
like James Brown, Like give me an R and B
James Brown song.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I told you, please, please please.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
What you call it?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's uh world? Say to I told him, so, whiz
when's got it? What? So?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Uh? So is living in America? Not R and B song?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Does that sound like an R and B song? That
sound like that sounds popped?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
To me? It is pop? But I can't have.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Even cold sweat that's an R and B.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Song tell him, and and let's not forget James Brown
is born in Allendale County, South Carolina. Let's not forget.
So we won't have any James Brown slander over here, sir.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I'm not slamming him. I mean, you know I love him,
But I was just saying for an R and B
singers list, I mean, he he doesn't like.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I'm looking at I'm looking at his so please please
please went to number six on the R and B chart.
Try me, we forgot about try me that went number
one on the R and B chart.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
What about Funky President?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, it sounds r is. There's some songs on here
that like, like, I've never heard of that that went
top ten on the R and B chart by James Brown,
So you can chill with that now. He got a
lot of songs that did not chart on the R
and B chart, and a lot of them are his hits.
So I can't argue Pupa's got a brand new bag
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went number one on the RV chart. I got you
I Feel Good number one on the R and B chart.
It's a man's man's world, number one on the R
and B chart. Like, let's relax a little bit here.
When you're talking about comparing j Beati shot a Dog.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I'm just saying shot ain't songs say I more R
and B like than most.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Amount Number one is stupid on the R and B chart.
Like he's got like ten number ones.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Well, that shoots your whole argument down.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And trump I'm saying that's just until nineteen seventy one,
he got like ten number ones on the RV char
Come on, dog, okay, ninety seventy one to eighty one
one two three, four, five, six, seven, Like, let's stop.
(14:23):
Let's just start with this, James Brown now being an RBR,
let's just start with that now, Okay, shout, they don't
have that in arithume.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Sorry, Shot should be on the list.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
She should be on the list. She no, Like, I'm
not not denying that at all, man, she definitely should
be on the list.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But let's keep coming up with more and more people
as we continue to add this conversation of people that
they just left out over Ruth Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Ruth Brown built Atlantic Records, who signed Ray Charles, signed
Ruth Brown before he signed Ray Charles, or Ruthur Franklin
at Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Because I mean, if we want to stay on the
jazzy route, I mean, Caimkim is more successful than Lettersy too.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yes, yes, I can't argue against that. I can't argue
against that.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I mean, if we want to do the old school
women's soul artists, Betty Wright, Minie Riperton, Denise Williams, Tammy Terrell,
there's a lot of those.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Many many and Tammy Terrell not being on this list
I think hurts more than more than Shata not being
on the list, almost to me, especially many especially Mini.
You know how I feel about Mini though, Like, yeah,
but I.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Mean, I mean, is like a quiet storm staple. If
that's not R and B.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What A according to Billboard is not.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Clearly they don't have sex for it. You know.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
According to their description of James Brown, he made R
and B first's then it became funk music later.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
That's Ruth Brown made R and B first. That's why she's.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Why you hating Ruth Brown?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
So, which was done because I had never heard of
her until the list.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Well, she's at like number seventy five, and they's nothing
wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And then they disrespect the eighties. They disrespect eighties R
and B two.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What Stephanie Mills is on there?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
But I'm saying people like Freddie Jackson, Alexander O'Neil.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yes, yes, I would put both him on for.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Sure, charrelle I don't know about Gerald Lever, Johnny Gill,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I don't know where mcgirl was the Denise Denise Uh
what was it?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
A silly Denise Williams?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, where's she at?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
She's not on this list?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
No? Why not?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Because they had to put Frank Ocean, Temp, Kevin Campbell,
Jackie Wilson and Ruth and Ruth Brown on this list
and Somer Walker and let us see.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, I really can't see. I can't see some of
Walker being on here ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Of Ashanti should be on him, She should be on
Why why over over all the people that you just named,
over all the people that you just named, I.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Can easily name Tanna Shanty, hit records over all the
people that you just named.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
According to that criteria about like the impact, the cultural impact.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well name me ten letter see songs. I you say that,
you say, let usine don't belong on the list, and I.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Agree, Well name me one.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Ruth Brown?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Why did you talking about Ruth browning fast?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
We're not mad about that. I don't like she's the first, like.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
R and B star A Shanty was from two thousand
and one to like two thousand and five. It was
just non stop hits.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That that has nothing to do with the criteria that
they that they said was required.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
That's what that is. Part of the criteria. It said
longevity and music that made a dent.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
They said impact cultural impact.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Shanty made an impact.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I swear man, I disagree.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Now whether or not you would have a Shanty on
hair over and let me see any find a name
that you that could be debatable.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
They got this top ten right, Well I can't.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I can't really find.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
We'll get it to the top ten here later now.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
But like Brian mcnight's not on this list, Raphael sa
Diex not on the list. Yeah, Trey Songs, Trey Songs
was drop no, not Trey Songs. Trey Songs had like
a two year It was way longer than two years.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Genua isn't on the list.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
It was about six years for Trey songz.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
H all right, we will take a quick break. We're
gonna come back and we're gonna talk about why in
the hell Marvin Gay, the greatest artist ever, is so
damn low on this list. Back on the Go To
Boys Forecast Media Radio Network. Now, we just played R
(19:26):
Kelly stepping the Name of Love and we played him
out of order for their listing because R Kelly, for
some reason, it's ninth while Marvin is tenth. I don't
give a damn what nobody has to say about it.
Marvin Gay is the greatest artist ever. I don't think
about genre of music, none of that greatest artists ever.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I would put R. Kelly over Marvin gay No, I
would put him over there because of the catalog of hits,
the songs he's written. No with Your Faces down.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
R Kelly.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
R Kelly is a clone of Marvin Gaye, bro, but
he has more hits, So does it matter?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Does he? Everyone?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Everyone's a clone of Ruth Brown.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Listen. R Kelly is a brilliant artist and will more
in him than a little bit. But Marvin Gaye, Like,
I want to talk about the versatility of Marvin Gaye.
The reason why I say Marvin Gaye is the greatest
artist ever is because the man made songs like Let's
get It On, Sexual Healing, perhaps the greatest R and
B album ever, and I Want You that's arguably the
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greatest R and B album ever, and then turns around
and makes the greatest album ever according to most lists.
Go google it right now, what's the greatest album ever?
And you will see probably eighty percent of the list
that were made will say What's going On as the
greatest album ever made, no matter what the genre is,
including this publication a couple of years ago, and the
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five hundred greatest albums are all time, What's going On
is number one? Now. The reason why he's the greatest
artist ever is because all the other great artists on
this list, some of them could make Let's get it on,
some of them could make sexual healing, but then those
same people couldn't turn around and make What's going on? Right,
then some of them can make What's going on, but
then they can't make sexual healing. Can you imagine Stevie
(21:28):
Wonder saying it's sexual healing? Can you imagine that.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
R Kelly made I believe I can fly?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
He ain't made What's going On? And on top of
the fact that I just told Trump this today before
we started recording. R Kelly's albums has problems because he
tries to make sure that he has radio friendly hits
on them, so he doesn't create a great, complete body
of work. What is his best album? You're gonna get
(21:57):
like ten different answers if you ask ten different people's.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Three different answers. Well, when you get ten people gonna
say different twelve player, you get the Blue album and
the play isn't great. I'm just saying. People say that
I still think that the.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Blue is his best album, and then something say TV too,
and that's false, And some won't say Chocolate factory, and
that's it, and and and and and then that that
double CD is not good. I don't care what nobody say.
So he should not be a whole and black one.
Oh yeah, okay, the one with uh turn back and
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clip the wings and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So no, Ronald Issley could do all of that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Ron Osley could not make sexual healing. What he could
not make sexual healing because.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Ron Osley could make sexual healing.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Oh, this is a premeditated super pause. Marmony gave you sexy.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Like what Ronald a lot of sex appeal?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
No, not like Marvin.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Pausing.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I don't like. I don't want to be like you
made me say this, and I ain't wanted to say
this appeal that Marvin g Marvin Dough ask him, ask him,
ask him on but ask your mama if if if
ron Easley is sexyer that Marvin Gay, asking if Stevie
Wonder is sexier than Marvin Gay.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I doubt if the don't say Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
On top of the fact that somebody said this on Twitter,
how could R Kelly be so like number nine on
this list? As somebody said, I have like who thinks
that R Kelly is not better than Stevie Wonder. And
somebody said that Stevie Wonder is blind and can play
thirty six instruments and R. Kelly can see and can't read.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I'm going to sleep all that take it down. That's
the worst. And so I think I've ever heard about.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I can't remember, man, but I've been laughing about it
all day. I've given you all the evidence of why
Marvin Gay is the greatest artist of all time.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
He might he didn't do it. He didn't do it
as long as Stevie did it.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
From the fifties until the eighties when he died.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Stevie one has done it from the fifties to when
he dies.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I can't argue. I can't argue about Stevie. And we'll
get to Stevie b in numbre one and we'll get
to that. But I can't argue about it. But it is.
It has sensed me that Marvin was so low on
this list.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Okay, so we'll skip R. Kelly. Marvin Gay versus Marvin
Gave versus Mariah Carrey. Why is Mariah Carey above Marvin?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I don't know, you tell me.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I mean she had the most she had the most
number one hits, she had the longest.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
About none of that stuff I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He has a staple that goes number one ever read December.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And that's great. Like, I'm not saying that she belongs
in the top ten, there's no doubt about that. I'm
just saying, you, who do we move to put Marvin up?
We'll get to that in a moment, but Marvin should
be at least. The only thing that I wouldn't have
been mad about is if Marvin was at number three.
That's the only thing I wouldn't been mad about.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Mariah writes her write song.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
She does write songs. Marvin does too, and produces.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's an obvious person in here whose
name starts with a bat.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh. Yeah. Were more on that in a moment, More
and more on that in a moment, because that might
be the most egregious thing that's on this list. Mmm,
it might be like that's on the list.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
No, let's play that's like what Ruth Brown. We didn't
see it, and we didn't see a list, And someone said, Beyonce,
where would you have her? People are gonna have her
in the top.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And they should haven't, and they shouldn't she'd be in
the top they shouldn't and more on that in a moment.
We will come back and we'll we'll talk about how
artists that don't write their own material or produce and
how they shouldn't be listed as high as those that do.
So if you want to jump into like some conversation
about her a little bit here, we could talk about it.
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The fact to go to Boys Forecast Media Radio Network,
d Mario Washington like Trump Grand Wiz tittles back next week.
H We're talking about this Billboard R and V artist
list that you know, obviously like the thing that got
my blood boiling the most if you could, you couldn't
tell is Marvin gave me into like I'm sorry, Like
I was a shocker. I don't know why I love
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more so much. Man. I think because I understand what
greatness is. Now. We talked about it a little bit
about artists that don't write and produce their own material.
And there are a handful of people in this top
ten lists that do not write or produce any of
their music. Now they may get some credit for writing,
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but they don't be writing. And the main person on
this list that is in the top ten that we
know don't write or produce is and be have come
from me if you want to, I don't care. Beyonce
does not write or produce her own material.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Then her latest album has like one hundred and forty
seven thousand songwriters on.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It, well, the main ones being the Dream No not
on this new one. I forgot to cut the Carter
Cowboy Carter album. He's yeah, but it's I.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Think it was legitimately one hundred and seven songwriters. That's
insane to compare to her first album, which had forty nine.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So she's the main person that does not write. She's
jay Z of R and B.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
She's a jay Z R and B.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I'm not I'm not a writer. I'm a biter. I'm
not a writer. I'm a biter. Nah, she ain't that,
but I mean, and again, we're not taking away from
anything that she actually is because she is like the
greatest of a generation. There's no doubt about that. I'm
talking about R and B artistry, and to me, it's
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all encompassing. Man, it's a five two player man like.
It's it's being able to write, it's being able to produce,
is being able to sing, is being able to do
all the things that make your music great. And she
can sing a little, a little now, I'm good enough.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's like her her catalog is kind of weird to
in difficult to rank. I feel, I give you if
you exclude the Destiny's Child portion of her catalog, and
then you pretty much exclude the last two albums, then
you're pretty much judging b DA two.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Lemonade, Yeah, yeah, And I will say the only people
in the top twenty that do not write and produce, Well,
it's three, maybe four because I don't know. No, no,
it's five because we Janet don't right now, and she's
number seventeen, and.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I may say dangerously in love to Lemonade, yeah, but
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
So Janet don't right now, right, but I don't know
if Mary Mary right, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Her and her sister would write.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, but then you got to share my world and
beyond user at number twelve, which is a whole nother
story that we'll get into in the moment. Uh No,
we could go ahead and get into that now. Usher
being number twelve is the second most egregient stay on
this list.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
It is not egregious.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I mean, did you see the impact at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I get it. My problem isn't that he's on the
listen that he's higher on the lists. My problem is
that he's above Sam Cook, He's above Curtis Mayfield, He's
above Isaac Hayes. He's above Mary, he's above Janet, he's
above Al Green, he's above Smokey Robinson, he's above oldest reading.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, let's compare Usher and Mary because they're contemporary.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And Mary got as many hits as Usher, if not more.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
But Mary's career pretty much. And we're working on the
show called Spoiled Milk where we're talking about artists that
you know their best days are behind them. You know, artistically,
what is Mary drop that anyone has really cared for
in the last What difference does that make sixteen years?
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What differences last sixteen years? What difference is Usher has
still dropped stuff that people will have care sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Who wrote it, who wrote it, who produced it?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
But does that matter? That doesn't matter as much as
the final product. I mean, you know, you gotta look
at the final album. You gotta look at the impact
of the album. You can't discount somebody who is continually
and currently making hits because they didn't write them for
somebody who last had a head ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
All I know is is that Usher had an usher
in your book, because I think that her stuff is
U you You. When you point the usher, you're gonna
point to the one album you don't.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You know, you don't talk about.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
No No, which you ain't heard his conversation. All he
brought up was Confessions, that's all. And I said, I said, Tate, Brian,
Michael Cox and JD away from him, and then we
won't get confessions.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And Mary Mary was working with the gigga on the corner,
beating the drums, putting music together, so she didn't have
Hall of famers working with her even.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
The first two albums. The third album was.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Her and I'm saying, and then she started working with
Dre like the fourth album.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
And didn't Darth Child do stuff for her.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Too, That's what I'm saying. But the third album didn't
have the influence of of of of that which will
not be named on this program right now until we
get a conviction.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
But I'm saying. I'm saying it's like Mary started high
and then when higher with my life and then started.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Going does Okay, okay, let's le's go with this. Does
Usher half shaft? Does Usher have hot buttered soul?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Does? Does does Mary have a Super Bowl halftime show
that had women saying, hurry up and get this football
off so we can watch the Usher concert Paul's because
that's what they were saying. I mean, I was seeing
it all over the place. Are you all ready to
watch the Usher concert? I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
It's the super Does Usher half of Black Moses?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He has a confession? Does there are too many people
that have a confession?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And you keep bringing that up. And I just mentioned
like four albums that Isaac Harden that that he made himself.
That's not even getting into all the stuff that he
wrote for Stacks.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
The got like four songs, like it's got three.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Three, it's got three on it. Don't tell me pull
it out. It's got three songs on it, and they're
all great by the time I get to Phoenix, walk
on By and Southern however you say it, but the
do don't do that one? It's three on that. Don't
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talk to me about my people, boy.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
It's got five songs on it.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It's three because you're talking about the part twos and stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, walk on by hyper hyper Bowl lists.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yes, that one Yes, and by the time I get
the Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah, and then the rhythm with the rhythm section of
the of all the above tunes features the barcades.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That's right, so so so so so Usher. Usher didn't
make that a three album, a three song album that
we still talk about that was made in nineteen freaking
sixty nine. We still talking about it today. And he wrote,
produced in all of it. Hey sung yet get out
of here. If you got Usher ahead of him stop.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I was surprised to see what it was fifteenth. I thought
Isac would have been in the thirties.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
How much? How much you like Sam and Dave soul Man,
who wrote and proves.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
That I'm saying produced it. I'm just saying. If someone said,
Isaac Cayes, where does he rank in the top seventy five,
then I would have been like you.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'm here to fight. Why is Al Green at at?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Because he stopped singing after grips Like that's an important
fact there. If someone is dropping nothing but hits for
thirty years, then you can't talk about them. He made
me hits after that, but I'm saying, if Usher is
a dropping nothing but hits for thirty years, like, what
can you say.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That I can? I can say he didn't write any
of it.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
If he's making hits for thirty But like I said,
you making this out like I don't like Usher, You
making me like making it sound like you forced to
making you forced.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Me to take the position that he shouldn't be No,
you should like I'm saying he shouldn't be ahead of
those great artists that I just named.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
And I'm saying I don't see a problem with top
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
He's in the top twente. Yeah me, top twenty five.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Blind guess he's in a ten to twenty range twenty
fight without even seeing this list, he's ten to twenty twenty.
Some of those other people are our Green is ten
to twenty, Teddy Panagrass is like eight to sixteen.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They got him way too lu for my course.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
In my head, that's what I'm automatically.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
But the most egregious that he's ahead of is at
number twenty two, and that's Luther Vandross. How is Luther
Vandross not at the top five?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I mean, he's my personal number one but I mean
if anything outside of top five is crazy when it
comes to Luther, in my book, this.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Is a little crazy. What about Smokey Robinson being at.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Nineteen, Yeah, somebody who we don't get the Temptations without him, don't.
We don't get the whole motown without him? And we
also are and we also don't get Gasms without Smoky.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I mean he he has the solo output. He has
the solo out and the group output. But we're not
counting groups here, right we should though, Yeah, and that's
the case in ron Isley will be top two.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, Teddy is number twenty three, which is stupid. Ron
Isley isn't on the list because he's with a group.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
You know, he does all the singing.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, I swear boy.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Let me see who else? Who else I haven't mentioned yet? Yeah,
Like we talked about Willie Uch before the call.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Willie Hutch shouldn't like the fact that Willy Hutch isn't
in the top seventy five is stupid because again, when
you make soundtracks, that means you the man, right. Willy
Much did the soundtrack for the mac Willie Hutch did
the soundtrack for Foxy Brown. Willie Hutch did the soundtrack
for The Last Dragon Somebody better go there or what?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And we don't get three six Mafield without Willy Hutch,
dam right, damn right tell them again. Yeah, we don't
get my Man from Hustling flo.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Out here for pill because because if no three six,
then no hard out here for pill Man.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Luther is really twenty two. It's crazy, boy.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I'm just saying, like, what are they listening to?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Not good stuff?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I mean, I'm still I'm still kind of trying to
figure out even if we're talking about the pop discussion,
why Janet is seventeen and then Beyonce, Mariah and Whitney
Yes in the top, Yes, yes, why the significant Now?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Before this Lizz even came out, I had a random
thought one day and I asked, you, is Janet good?
Do you remember this? Because I was like, without Jimmy
Jabb and Terry Lewis giving her all that great material?
Would would would she be good? Do they give her
that great material? If she's not Michael's little sister?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
They were giving like songs like like that the Charrelle,
They were giving songs like that Alexander O'Neil. Yeah, giving
songs like that to you know, sounds a black man.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
They didn't give they they didn't they didn't give They
didn't give Charill miss you much. They didn't give her escapade.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Which affair sounds like miss too much.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
They do that to give you some So that's not
like something else like Human League. Uh.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Who was it that was I was listening to? Uh
it was Terry Lewis. I heard Terry Lewis talking about this.
He said, when they were working on what's the what's
the song? She screamed with Michael. Yeah, they were competing
back and forth on who could do the lyrics the
best and tweak the lyrics, and he would say she
was holding her own with Michael very much impressed.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, of course I believe that.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I mean, I don't know, man. Her stage presence is great.
You ever see her perform.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I watched her entire concerts and stuff when they used
to be on HBO back in the day.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
They used to have had the dude scrapped up.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, well that not that that was later. I wouldn't
have been able to watch that. When I was watching
the concerts. All right, we're gonna come back and we're
going to talk about should Mike Prince and Beyonce being
the top ten considering dr pop stars back on to
go tole Boys Forecast Media Radio Network. Man, I feel
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like I got like a blood vessel about to pop
in my neck, man, Like you know, especially after that
Marven conversation a little while ago, that was real bad.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Nah, but at least it wasn't egregious the point where
they had somebody that had no business being number one.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Of course, of course, now with the three that are
in the top ten, since we've already established that JB
should be in the top ten considering all the number
one R and B hits that he made. Trump, you're
backing off of.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
That, right, I'm not saying the word.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I'm gonna tell my pops that you don't like giants
James Brown to see what you got to say about it.
That's his.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'm just saying. We were talking about whether shot A's
music was R and B, and I was like, it
didn't sell like James Brown's music was R and B.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Well, according to the Billboard US R and B chart,
it was. Now was is beat it R and B?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
That is that rock and roll? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Definitely a rocket?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Uh is anything after I Want to Be Your Lover
by Prince R.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
And B Most Beautifulest Girl in the World.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
The later stuff. But I'm talking about the height of Prince,
talking about under the Cherry move Press. I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Purple Ray prens Adore.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
A door is adoor is Yeah, scandalous that that was
the Batman soundtrack. You know that was the only thing
that was RB on that whole soundtrack. He ain't make
a lot of RB. Mike made a lot more R
and B than both Prince and Beyonce.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Then why did they keep playing that song? Okay, maybe
they're playing the same songs over and over on the
R and B radio.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
It's Mike, so it's it doesn't matter that it's rock
and roll. They don't care this Mike because because if
you go out here on the block and you ask
people its beating the R and B song, they'll probably say, yeah, well,
why is Eddie van Halen ripping his damn guitar on it?
Does that any van Hellen does? Does this Valley play? Uh?
(41:49):
Does he play RB guitar? That's not RB.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Prince doesn't really have a lot of art.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
That's right now. He came back later in like the
late two thousands and started making when he made that up,
what's the song called me that? But like he but
he he don't have a lot of R and B. Man,
like he was whatever he was doing, you know what
I'm saying. And to me and it's and and and
and and and princess to me like one of the
one of one of the five greatest artists of all time. Right,
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but that doesn't this is an R and B artist list.
He shouldn't be side of the times times. Yeah, he's
got a couple here and there, but he wasn't really
making R and B. And there's no doubt about that.
And we and we went, we went like a decade
of beyonestly not making R and B. And then she
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came back with Drunken Love and you know, rocking and
stuff like that. You know what I'm saying, They.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Don't feel like I'm educated enough on like her cattle
Full album.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Let's let's let's call the Dreams since he wrote all
of it.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Wait, wait, did you say Beyonce with a decade without
R and.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
B pretty much? When was this she was making pop music? Man,
that wasn't R and B.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
She had the Halo Halo song love on Top or whatever,
and she was.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
That repetitive song.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I like that song, but who wrote that? The dream
when she made an R and B song like, oh hey, Neo,
you got something funny? You know I can't make it myself.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
And you don't like eric ib I do being a
twenty eight I didn't no.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
No, no no no, don't know be putting words in
my mouth. I said, I don't feel like she should
be that that the gap between her and Jill should
be that far.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I put in neither Baker a lot high in too.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yes, even though she ain't gonna be happy about you regardless,
because she just stays mad for some reason. That's like
the angriest woman alive.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Bro all right, ain't got no problem with it. That's all.
Kick baby Face off of tour, though maybe baby Face
is hard to work with.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh I think it's her. Oh, I think it's her.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Uh Patti LaBelle twenty five, stupid lionel Richie thirty two, dumb.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Damn line Richie is thirty two.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
I mean, I think the top like if you legitimately
ranked the top twenty five to thirty, it would be tough.
So people like Lionel and Patty would be kind of
seem like they're misplaced. But it's because all the other
people that there's a lot of legends, but Luther Vandross
should not.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Be Luther Vandross at twenty two, all right, that's the
that's like I take it back.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
A summer at thirty four, Like, I think that's too
she's probably in the sixties.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
That's just way too high for done. Even though she
dominates you. She dominated that. That wasn't R and B.
That was a disco and I was saying she shouldn't
be like that high. But I'm here to say now, man,
Luther Vandross at number twenty two is the worst thing
on this on this list, I.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Gotta agree with you there. And baby Face at thirty five.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
That's pretty rough too, But but the Luther at twenty
two is pretty bad. Like like that's that's the most
Like I want to beat somebody ass for like like that,
because you can't make a list of top five and
I have Luther and the top five. Let me talking
about just R and B artists like now, now Luther
in my top five, my personal top five. No, But
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if I had to make a list of like the
greatest like R and B artists. If I'm making this list,
Stevie has to be in the top five. Marvin Luther, Aretha.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Whitney, Uh sure, forty two. That stupid, right, stupid, if
we if we, if we have teddypl Isaacay Isaac, he's
in that same as in that same air. I mean
(46:07):
because he was running in the orchestra.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, hits swell into the nine that the rest of
those artists didn't have. Tell me your secret, so I
mean to me, yeah, he should be at least twenty five.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
We're gonna come back and we're gonna quickly tell you
if Stevie Wonder should be number one on this list.
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Top seventy five R and B artists of all time.
Stevie Wonder is number one. I said this to multiple people.
(46:45):
I wasn't mad about it. Even though I think Marvin
is the greatest artist ever, I'm not mad about Stevie
being there because, as Trump pointed out earlier, Stevie has
done it over several decades, several decades, and he's made
a lot of a lot of really good music. I
don't know if the versatility is there like somebody like
(47:06):
Marvin or even An R. Kelly, But the ability to
write like like y'all love Minnie Rippertson, loving you who wrote.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
It, Stevie.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
You see what I'm saying, Like like to me, man
like that that that counts for a lot more when
you're able to give other like give material to other people.
When when people can remake your song and then make
it go to number one, like O'Brien took his You
and I and made it his own thing, but Stevie
wrote it.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Jo took lately, Stevie wrote it Ribbon in the sky.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
It's so many freaking hits, man. So it's kind of
hard for me to say that he shouldn't be number one.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Donelle Jones, like I said, like I said before, Stevie
could do a versus against himself and against the eighties,
and it would be hard to pick a win. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, his his catalog is probably his catalog out of
everybody on this list, I think it's the most consistent catalog.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
He's definitely number one. Yeah, problem with one.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's kind of hard to have him
not be number one.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Man, I just don't want want the Grammys to put
him on stage anymore to sing or anything. Why right now?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Why? Because it's over?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, sadly.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Who's doing his hair though? He's still got that long
dreds in the list?
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Man, his his hairstyle is his business in the front,
party in the bag though.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
No, somebody, somebody's been making a good living taking advantage
of him.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
That's not true, but somebody needed to tell him a
long time. I go to get rid of him. proNT
of the dreads half a half a half a half
a dread Predator.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
But nobody says anything about Rihanna at forty six? How
did y'all miss that?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I don't mind that.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
I mean she has a cowboy.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, she wasn't making she wasn't making R and B.
That is a fact. She's got a couple of rbs.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
And Anti has more R and B in it than
most her other stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, but no, uh, they got it right with Stevie
and Areta. That number two. I think I can't argue
with that. U.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, wrong everywhere else?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, pretty much wrong everywhere else, Marvin, anything below three
is bad to me? Sorry, Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Omitting all these people. Yes that I'm about to run
through real fast, shot a shot A, Brian McKnight, Rafael Sadig,
Gerald of Vert, Trey Songs, Robin Thick, timber Late, Johnny Gill,
Faith Evans, Monica, genuine to me, Tammy Therrell, Willie Hutch,
Vanessa Williams niece, Williams, Many represent Caim, Freddy Jackson mcgual,
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Betty Wright, and Alexander O'Neill.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
How the hell is Monica not on his list? But
Brandy is?
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Well, Brandy should be on there, and Monica should be
on there.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Monica was a bigger star. And when they first hit
than Brandy out the gate, number one, out the gates,
out the games.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
What do you think she was the youngest of their numbers.
That's right, she was a young team. But Brandy, So
I want to be down and I want to be down,
remix and best friend and broken hearted?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Oh that was great.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
So how is Monica bigger?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
She should be with the list.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Yeah, if you put Brandy on there, I can see that,
but then side by side.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Why Brandy brother ain't at list.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Because he's on a snitch, he's not talented.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
And then it's his fault that the Kardashians are here.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Well we're going to close with what I think is
the quintessential Stevie Wonders.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Song and looking back at it, man, that TAPEVD was.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Me, it was Ben. But this is an ass by
Stevie and we will see you on the radio next week.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
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Uh we would jump into like uh something that was
like quite egregious, and we had no intentions on doing
this as a show. And then like I stayed up
late on Friday night and I got mad the more
I thought about it, and I said, you know what,
we gotta talk about this. So the Billboard decided to
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release the top seventy five best R and B Artists
of all time full staff picks, Staff, Trevor Anderson and others.
I'm assuming they're all twelve years old, all right, that's
not one or one hundred or one hundred no, no, no,
only one or two artists on here would be in
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your wheelhouse if you was one hundred.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Are you crazy? Right?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Like Ruth Brown, who Steve, that's disrespectful. They agreed on
the following criteria vocal prowess, body of work, career longevity,
industry achievements, game changing influence, and enduring generational cultural impact.
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That's a lot and for some reason, there are people
on this list that have absolutely zero business being on
this list, if that is the criteria. Now, but in
this first segment, we want to jump into like some
of the bad placements that we're on here. We'll get
to Ruth Brown later. She was number seventy five. Some
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of Walker's number seventy.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Four, and you know, I'm gonna I mean, she's good,
but I don't know if I can put a top
seventy five yet.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's a little crazy, but I was a little I.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Thought it was weird.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
She's been in the game for about seven years. Yeah,
well women love her.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Let's let's address her like a little bit later though, man,
But like I just was saying that she.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Was on the list.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Is Edna James too low on the list at number
seventy three? Eda James shouldn't be Yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I feel like edit James kid. But see, no, they
got Kisha Cole rated ranked the head of Edna James.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
How many instances Eda James have that you know? Besides
at Last? All I could do was cry, trusting.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Me because I'm not seventy seven years old. But I
think Mario's looking at it right because you don't know
anything outside of ad last career. We used to argue, well,
we used to talk about, Damn, this person has the
greatest hits album and then it has that one song
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five times.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
That's Edna James. She has an at Last, Acapella at Last,
Damn movie version at Last, Extended version at Last featuring
whoever ruthur Brown.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Hated Bobby Womack is at number sixty nine.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yeah, that's about right. I was trying not to I
was trying not to say it, but it is about right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Both of y'all can like, go, where where do you
have him? I got him in the Damn five in
my list.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Top five your personal list now? Yes, realistic ranking seventy
five R.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And B singers at least top ten, accomplishment at least
top ten.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I mean, I mean he we love hold.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
On what to me and you talk about about when
you know you are a great artist is when they
give you a soundtrack to do He's done one.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, but I mean he was maybe what number eight
out of like male R and B singers, But you got.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Tank ahead of Bobby Wolmack. Tank shouldn't be on the list,
should be on the list.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Tank is the Chauncey billups of male R and B singers, Like.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
How the hell that's gotta have too much?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
How the hell is he on there? And genuine isn't
on there?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, well we will, We'll go get it at that
in a minute. Uh, let's see, uh.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Uh talk about Frank Ocean please, he's forty seven.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Frank Ocean, and Frank Ocean is extremely I they got
Frank Ocean ahead of the likes of Jill.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
They got him ahead of Rick James too.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Jill Scott, Stephanie Mills, Rick James, John Legend, Bobby brown Hill. Well, well,
Lauren is another story. We would get in at that
in the second segment. We get into at a second segment.
But but Frank Ocean, Uh no, Frank, Frank Osan actually
is higher in forty seven. Frank saw Frank gos in
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his top forty he's thirty eight. They got him just
above Maxwell at thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Oh lord, well, we know what what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean he was making good music. But like this,
like geez, Alasia Cheese at thirty three.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I don't have a problem with that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I do because Alicia Cheese is one of the worst singers.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
She's got a lot of hiss. She can't sing.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I mean, you can't sing at all.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Bruh, I don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Uh, Erica had twenty eight. That is that too high?
Like because she's way hired than jail, like way hired
in jail.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You and you think Jill should be hired in her
I'm not saying that.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Alicia Keys ahead of Tony Brexton.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And then she is on this list.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I mean Alicia Keys has more longevity as far as
being on the top. Tony had the first three albums.
Alicia had a run. Alicia is ahead of Babyface. Alicia
didn't have a run like Babyface.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
How many people have a lot too many?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
But where would you put Babyface like his baby face
top thirty.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Babyface at least top thirty, at probably top twenty if
you a compass all day he wrote like we don't
get boys to men without Babyface. We don't get Tony
Brixton without baby face. We don't get TLC without babyface.
We don't get John b without babyface getting the way
we don't want to exit.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, we do get Boys of Men and TLC without babyface.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, you don't. Yes, is Dallas Austin great? But I'm
saying Boys and Man doesn't become boys to men without babyface.
Love Face Records doesn't exist without babyface. But I'm surprised
the outcast without baby face?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Who the F is?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I'm surprised nobody said anything about Chris Brown being twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Chris brought us too high. He's twenty six, so that's
way too forty. That's way too high. He's top forty
because he's had a long run.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He's top thirty.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
The kid's say, the kids say he's greater than Michael.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
He's not greater than Mike. Buddy. Top threty is fair.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
The kids are on drugs if they believe that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
They're on drugs either way.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, music, So.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Though, who should be higher? I don't care what you think.
Robert nine, Robert needs to be higher.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We're going to talk about We're going to talk about
Robert a little bit later. But we're talking about the
Billboard list. All the music is the top fourteen artists
from this Billboard list, and we got it as short
as we could possibly get it, so we could end
up like talking a lot longer about this because we're
real mad about this. As obviously as you can see
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back on the Good Old Boys Forecast Media Radio Network,
we're talking about this trash Billboard top seventy five list
of R and B artists of all time. Now let's
get into people who didn't make the list. Trump, You
go ahead, and I know you want to. You want
to get this off your chests real fast, man, I'm
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gonna curse.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Where the fuck is shot at?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
That is crazy? Is not on this list?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Like?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Like seriously, she should at least be top forty, I'll say,
And that's loose, like she could be hired and she
can be top thirty in my book, But how is
she not on this list at all?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Her being or not on the list is completely egregious,
Like that's it's probably the most egregious. There are several
other egregious omissions from this list, but that was probably
the top top one.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
It was so bad like when me and and Thye
Mario Washington was talking about it. He didn't even notice it,
probably because it was just an expectation that she was
on the list, and then you have to do a double.
You had a double and be like what, No, she's
not on the list.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I like, now, now, here's the only thing that I
could possibly say. And I told you this as well.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Her.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Being more like jazzy as opposed to being R and
B and this is allegedly an R and B list,
I could say that a little bit right.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
There. There's people like like let us See is on
this list. That's true, and let us See is like
a modern day jazz artist and she doesn't have like
a third of the hits that has.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Yeah, that is pretty stupid. Why do you put let
us on the list and not?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, So on top of the fact that Shade has
had so many freaking billboard hits, like I don't know
what they were looking at, Like now, now, I will
grant it granted. As far as like having like a
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number one R and B song, She's got one, only one,
and it's not what you would think is Paradise is
the only song that she made that reached number one
on the US R and B chart, So that tells
you that it's not quite R and B in their opinion.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Oh, I mean, like I said, there's there's an other
artist on this list that I don't even know if
they have, like an R and B song like JB. Yeah,
like James Brown, Like give me an R and B
James Brown song.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I told you, please, please please.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
What you call it?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's uh world? Say to I told him, so, whiz
when's got it? What? So?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Uh? So is living in America? Not R and B song?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Does that sound like an R and B song? That
sound like that sounds popped?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
To me? It is pop? But I can't have.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Even cold sweat that's an R and B.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Song tell him, and and let's not forget James Brown
is born in Allendale County, South Carolina. Let's not forget.
So we won't have any James Brown slander over here, sir.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I'm not slamming him. I mean, you know I love him,
But I was just saying for an R and B
singers list, I mean, he he doesn't like.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I'm looking at I'm looking at his so please please
please went to number six on the R and B chart.
Try me, we forgot about try me that went number
one on the R and B chart.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
What about Funky President?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, it sounds r is. There's some songs on here
that like, like, I've never heard of that that went
top ten on the R and B chart by James Brown,
So you can chill with that now. He got a
lot of songs that did not chart on the R
and B chart, and a lot of them are his hits.
So I can't argue Pupa's got a brand new bag
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went number one on the RV chart. I got you
I Feel Good number one on the R and B chart.
It's a man's man's world, number one on the R
and B chart. Like, let's relax a little bit here.
When you're talking about comparing j Beati shot a Dog.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I'm just saying shot ain't songs say I more R
and B like than most.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Amount Number one is stupid on the R and B chart.
Like he's got like ten number ones.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Well, that shoots your whole argument down.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And trump I'm saying that's just until nineteen seventy one,
he got like ten number ones on the RV char
Come on, dog, okay, ninety seventy one to eighty one
one two three, four, five, six, seven, Like, let's stop.
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Let's just start with this, James Brown now being an RBR,
let's just start with that now, Okay, shout, they don't
have that in arithume.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Sorry, Shot should be on the list.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
She should be on the list. She no, Like, I'm
not not denying that at all, man, she definitely should
be on the list.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But let's keep coming up with more and more people
as we continue to add this conversation of people that
they just left out over Ruth Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Ruth Brown built Atlantic Records, who signed Ray Charles, signed
Ruth Brown before he signed Ray Charles, or Ruthur Franklin
at Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Because I mean, if we want to stay on the
jazzy route, I mean, Caimkim is more successful than Lettersy too.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yes, yes, I can't argue against that. I can't argue
against that.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I mean, if we want to do the old school
women's soul artists, Betty Wright, Minie Riperton, Denise Williams, Tammy Terrell,
there's a lot of those.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Many many and Tammy Terrell not being on this list
I think hurts more than more than Shata not being
on the list, almost to me, especially many especially Mini.
You know how I feel about Mini though, Like, yeah,
but I.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Mean, I mean, is like a quiet storm staple. If
that's not R and B.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What A according to Billboard is not.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Clearly they don't have sex for it. You know.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
According to their description of James Brown, he made R
and B first's then it became funk music later.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
That's Ruth Brown made R and B first. That's why she's.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Why you hating Ruth Brown?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
So, which was done because I had never heard of
her until the list.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Well, she's at like number seventy five, and they's nothing
wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
And then they disrespect the eighties. They disrespect eighties R
and B two.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What Stephanie Mills is on there?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
But I'm saying people like Freddie Jackson, Alexander O'Neil.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yes, yes, I would put both him on for.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Sure, charrelle I don't know about Gerald Lever, Johnny Gill,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I don't know where mcgirl was the Denise Denise Uh
what was it?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
A silly Denise Williams?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, where's she at?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
She's not on this list?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
No? Why not?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Because they had to put Frank Ocean, Temp, Kevin Campbell,
Jackie Wilson and Ruth and Ruth Brown on this list
and Somer Walker and let us see.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, I really can't see. I can't see some of
Walker being on here ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Of Ashanti should be on him, She should be on
Why why over over all the people that you just named,
over all the people that you just named, I.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Can easily name Tanna Shanty, hit records over all the
people that you just named.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
According to that criteria about like the impact, the cultural impact.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well name me ten letter see songs. I you say that,
you say, let usine don't belong on the list, and I.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Agree, Well name me one.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Ruth Brown?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Why did you talking about Ruth browning fast?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
We're not mad about that. I don't like she's the first, like.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
R and B star A Shanty was from two thousand
and one to like two thousand and five. It was
just non stop hits.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
That that has nothing to do with the criteria that
they that they said was required.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
That's what that is. Part of the criteria. It said
longevity and music that made a dent.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
They said impact cultural impact.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Shanty made an impact.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I swear man, I disagree.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Now whether or not you would have a Shanty on
hair over and let me see any find a name
that you that could be debatable.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
They got this top ten right, Well I can't.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I can't really find.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
We'll get it to the top ten here later now.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
But like Brian mcnight's not on this list, Raphael sa
Diex not on the list. Yeah, Trey Songs, Trey Songs
was drop no, not Trey Songs. Trey Songs had like
a two year It was way longer than two years.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Genua isn't on the list.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
It was about six years for Trey songz.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
H all right, we will take a quick break. We're
gonna come back and we're gonna talk about why in
the hell Marvin Gay, the greatest artist ever, is so
damn low on this list. Back on the Go To
Boys Forecast Media Radio Network. Now, we just played R
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Kelly stepping the Name of Love and we played him
out of order for their listing because R Kelly, for
some reason, it's ninth while Marvin is tenth. I don't
give a damn what nobody has to say about it.
Marvin Gay is the greatest artist ever. I don't think
about genre of music, none of that greatest artists ever.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
I would put R. Kelly over Marvin gay No, I
would put him over there because of the catalog of hits,
the songs he's written. No with Your Faces down.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
R Kelly.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
R Kelly is a clone of Marvin Gaye, bro, but
he has more hits, So does it matter?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Does he? Everyone?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Everyone's a clone of Ruth Brown.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Listen. R Kelly is a brilliant artist and will more
in him than a little bit. But Marvin Gaye, Like,
I want to talk about the versatility of Marvin Gaye.
The reason why I say Marvin Gaye is the greatest
artist ever is because the man made songs like Let's
get It On, Sexual Healing, perhaps the greatest R and
B album ever, and I Want You that's arguably the
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greatest R and B album ever, and then turns around
and makes the greatest album ever according to most lists.
Go google it right now, what's the greatest album ever?
And you will see probably eighty percent of the list
that were made will say What's going On as the
greatest album ever made, no matter what the genre is,
including this publication a couple of years ago, and the
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five hundred greatest albums are all time, What's going On
is number one? Now. The reason why he's the greatest
artist ever is because all the other great artists on
this list, some of them could make Let's get it on,
some of them could make sexual healing, but then those
same people couldn't turn around and make What's going on? Right,
then some of them can make What's going on, but
then they can't make sexual healing. Can you imagine Stevie
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Wonder saying it's sexual healing? Can you imagine that.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
R Kelly made I believe I can fly?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
He ain't made What's going On? And on top of
the fact that I just told Trump this today before
we started recording. R Kelly's albums has problems because he
tries to make sure that he has radio friendly hits
on them, so he doesn't create a great, complete body
of work. What is his best album? You're gonna get
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like ten different answers if you ask ten different people's.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Three different answers. Well, when you get ten people gonna
say different twelve player, you get the Blue album and
the play isn't great. I'm just saying. People say that
I still think that the.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Blue is his best album, and then something say TV too,
and that's false, And some won't say Chocolate factory, and
that's it, and and and and and then that that
double CD is not good. I don't care what nobody say.
So he should not be a whole and black one.
Oh yeah, okay, the one with uh turn back and
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clip the wings and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So no, Ronald Issley could do all of that.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Ron Osley could not make sexual healing. What he could
not make sexual healing because.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Ron Osley could make sexual healing.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Oh, this is a premeditated super pause. Marmony gave you sexy.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Like what Ronald a lot of sex appeal?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
No, not like Marvin.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Pausing.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I don't like. I don't want to be like you
made me say this, and I ain't wanted to say
this appeal that Marvin g Marvin Dough ask him, ask him,
ask him on but ask your mama if if if
ron Easley is sexyer that Marvin Gay, asking if Stevie
Wonder is sexier than Marvin Gay.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
I doubt if the don't say Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
On top of the fact that somebody said this on Twitter,
how could R Kelly be so like number nine on
this list? As somebody said, I have like who thinks
that R Kelly is not better than Stevie Wonder. And
somebody said that Stevie Wonder is blind and can play
thirty six instruments and R. Kelly can see and can't read.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I'm going to sleep all that take it down. That's
the worst. And so I think I've ever heard about.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I can't remember, man, but I've been laughing about it
all day. I've given you all the evidence of why
Marvin Gay is the greatest artist of all time.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
He might he didn't do it. He didn't do it
as long as Stevie did it.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
From the fifties until the eighties when he died.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Stevie one has done it from the fifties to when
he dies.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I can't argue. I can't argue about Stevie. And we'll
get to Stevie b in numbre one and we'll get
to that. But I can't argue about it. But it is.
It has sensed me that Marvin was so low on
this list.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Okay, so we'll skip R. Kelly. Marvin Gay versus Marvin
Gave versus Mariah Carrey. Why is Mariah Carey above Marvin?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I don't know, you tell me.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
I mean she had the most she had the most
number one hits, she had the longest.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
About none of that stuff I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
He has a staple that goes number one ever read December.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
And that's great. Like, I'm not saying that she belongs
in the top ten, there's no doubt about that. I'm
just saying, you, who do we move to put Marvin up?
We'll get to that in a moment, but Marvin should
be at least. The only thing that I wouldn't have
been mad about is if Marvin was at number three.
That's the only thing I wouldn't been mad about.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Mariah writes her write song.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
She does write songs. Marvin does too, and produces.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's an obvious person in here whose
name starts with a bat.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh. Yeah. Were more on that in a moment, More
and more on that in a moment, because that might
be the most egregious thing that's on this list. Mmm,
it might be like that's on the list.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
No, let's play that's like what Ruth Brown. We didn't
see it, and we didn't see a list, And someone said, Beyonce,
where would you have her? People are gonna have her
in the top.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And they should haven't, and they shouldn't she'd be in
the top they shouldn't and more on that in a moment.
We will come back and we'll we'll talk about how
artists that don't write their own material or produce and
how they shouldn't be listed as high as those that do.
So if you want to jump into like some conversation
about her a little bit here, we could talk about it.
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The fact to go to Boys Forecast Media Radio Network,
d Mario Washington like Trump Grand Wiz tittles back next week.
H We're talking about this Billboard R and V artist
list that you know, obviously like the thing that got
my blood boiling the most if you could, you couldn't
tell is Marvin gave me into like I'm sorry, Like
I was a shocker. I don't know why I love
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more so much. Man. I think because I understand what
greatness is. Now. We talked about it a little bit
about artists that don't write and produce their own material.
And there are a handful of people in this top
ten lists that do not write or produce any of
their music. Now they may get some credit for writing,
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but they don't be writing. And the main person on
this list that is in the top ten that we
know don't write or produce is and be have come
from me if you want to, I don't care. Beyonce
does not write or produce her own material.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Then her latest album has like one hundred and forty
seven thousand songwriters on.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It, well, the main ones being the Dream No not
on this new one. I forgot to cut the Carter
Cowboy Carter album. He's yeah, but it's I.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Think it was legitimately one hundred and seven songwriters. That's
insane to compare to her first album, which had forty nine.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
So she's the main person that does not write. She's
jay Z of R and B.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
She's a jay Z R and B.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I'm not I'm not a writer. I'm a biter. I'm
not a writer. I'm a biter. Nah, she ain't that,
but I mean, and again, we're not taking away from
anything that she actually is because she is like the
greatest of a generation. There's no doubt about that. I'm
talking about R and B artistry, and to me, it's
(28:34):
all encompassing. Man, it's a five two player man like.
It's it's being able to write, it's being able to produce,
is being able to sing, is being able to do
all the things that make your music great. And she
can sing a little, a little now, I'm good enough.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
It's like her her catalog is kind of weird to
in difficult to rank. I feel, I give you if
you exclude the Destiny's Child portion of her catalog, and
then you pretty much exclude the last two albums, then
you're pretty much judging b DA two.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Lemonade, Yeah, yeah, And I will say the only people
in the top twenty that do not write and produce, Well,
it's three, maybe four because I don't know. No, no,
it's five because we Janet don't right now, and she's
number seventeen, and.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I may say dangerously in love to Lemonade, yeah, but
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
So Janet don't right now, right, but I don't know
if Mary Mary right, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Her and her sister would write.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, but then you got to share my world and
beyond user at number twelve, which is a whole nother
story that we'll get into in the moment. Uh No,
we could go ahead and get into that now. Usher
being number twelve is the second most egregient stay on
this list.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
It is not egregious.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I mean, did you see the impact at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I get it. My problem isn't that he's on the
listen that he's higher on the lists. My problem is
that he's above Sam Cook, He's above Curtis Mayfield, He's
above Isaac Hayes. He's above Mary, he's above Janet, he's
above Al Green, he's above Smokey Robinson, he's above oldest reading.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Well, let's compare Usher and Mary because they're contemporary.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
And Mary got as many hits as Usher, if not more.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
But Mary's career pretty much. And we're working on the
show called Spoiled Milk where we're talking about artists that
you know their best days are behind them. You know, artistically,
what is Mary drop that anyone has really cared for
in the last What difference does that make sixteen years?
(30:53):
What differences last sixteen years? What difference is Usher has
still dropped stuff that people will have care sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Who wrote it, who wrote it, who produced it?
Speaker 4 (31:02):
But does that matter? That doesn't matter as much as
the final product. I mean, you know, you gotta look
at the final album. You gotta look at the impact
of the album. You can't discount somebody who is continually
and currently making hits because they didn't write them for
somebody who last had a head ten years ago.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
All I know is is that Usher had an usher
in your book, because I think that her stuff is
U you You. When you point the usher, you're gonna
point to the one album you don't.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
You know, you don't talk about.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
No No, which you ain't heard his conversation. All he
brought up was Confessions, that's all. And I said, I said, Tate, Brian,
Michael Cox and JD away from him, and then we
won't get confessions.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
And Mary Mary was working with the gigga on the corner,
beating the drums, putting music together, so she didn't have
Hall of famers working with her even.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
The first two albums. The third album was.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Her and I'm saying, and then she started working with
Dre like the fourth album.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
And didn't Darth Child do stuff for her.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Too, That's what I'm saying. But the third album didn't
have the influence of of of of that which will
not be named on this program right now until we
get a conviction.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
But I'm saying. I'm saying it's like Mary started high
and then when higher with my life and then started.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Going does Okay, okay, let's le's go with this. Does
Usher half shaft? Does Usher have hot buttered soul?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Does? Does does Mary have a Super Bowl halftime show
that had women saying, hurry up and get this football
off so we can watch the Usher concert Paul's because
that's what they were saying. I mean, I was seeing
it all over the place. Are you all ready to
watch the Usher concert? I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
It's the super Does Usher half of Black Moses?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
He has a confession? Does there are too many people
that have a confession?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And you keep bringing that up. And I just mentioned
like four albums that Isaac Harden that that he made himself.
That's not even getting into all the stuff that he
wrote for Stacks.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
The got like four songs, like it's got three.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Three, it's got three on it. Don't tell me pull
it out. It's got three songs on it, and they're
all great by the time I get to Phoenix, walk
on By and Southern however you say it, but the
do don't do that one? It's three on that. Don't
(33:47):
talk to me about my people, boy.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
It's got five songs on it.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It's three because you're talking about the part twos and stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, walk on by hyper hyper Bowl lists.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yes, that one Yes, and by the time I get
the Phoenix.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah, and then the rhythm with the rhythm section of
the of all the above tunes features the barcades.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That's right, so so so so so Usher. Usher didn't
make that a three album, a three song album that
we still talk about that was made in nineteen freaking
sixty nine. We still talking about it today. And he wrote,
produced in all of it. Hey sung yet get out
of here. If you got Usher ahead of him stop.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I was surprised to see what it was fifteenth. I thought
Isac would have been in the thirties.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
How much? How much you like Sam and Dave soul Man,
who wrote and proves.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
That I'm saying produced it. I'm just saying. If someone said,
Isaac Cayes, where does he rank in the top seventy five,
then I would have been like you.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I'm here to fight. Why is Al Green at at?
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Because he stopped singing after grips Like that's an important
fact there. If someone is dropping nothing but hits for
thirty years, then you can't talk about them. He made
me hits after that, but I'm saying, if Usher is
a dropping nothing but hits for thirty years, like, what
can you say.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That I can? I can say he didn't write any
of it.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
If he's making hits for thirty But like I said,
you making this out like I don't like Usher, You
making me like making it sound like you forced to
making you forced.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Me to take the position that he shouldn't be No,
you should like I'm saying he shouldn't be ahead of
those great artists that I just named.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
And I'm saying I don't see a problem with top
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
He's in the top twente. Yeah me, top twenty five.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Blind guess he's in a ten to twenty range twenty
fight without even seeing this list, he's ten to twenty twenty.
Some of those other people are our Green is ten
to twenty, Teddy Panagrass is like eight to sixteen.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
They got him way too lu for my course.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
In my head, that's what I'm automatically.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
But the most egregious that he's ahead of is at
number twenty two, and that's Luther Vandross. How is Luther
Vandross not at the top five?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I mean, he's my personal number one but I mean
if anything outside of top five is crazy when it
comes to Luther, in my book, this.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Is a little crazy. What about Smokey Robinson being at.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Nineteen, Yeah, somebody who we don't get the Temptations without him, don't.
We don't get the whole motown without him? And we
also are and we also don't get Gasms without Smoky.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I mean he he has the solo output. He has
the solo out and the group output. But we're not
counting groups here, right we should though, Yeah, and that's
the case in ron Isley will be top two.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, Teddy is number twenty three, which is stupid. Ron
Isley isn't on the list because he's with a group.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
You know, he does all the singing.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, I swear boy.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Let me see who else? Who else I haven't mentioned yet? Yeah,
Like we talked about Willie Uch before the call.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Willie Hutch shouldn't like the fact that Willy Hutch isn't
in the top seventy five is stupid because again, when
you make soundtracks, that means you the man, right. Willy
Much did the soundtrack for the mac Willie Hutch did
the soundtrack for Foxy Brown. Willie Hutch did the soundtrack
for The Last Dragon Somebody better go there or what?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And we don't get three six Mafield without Willy Hutch,
dam right, damn right tell them again. Yeah, we don't
get my Man from Hustling flo.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Out here for pill because because if no three six,
then no hard out here for pill Man.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Luther is really twenty two. It's crazy, boy.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I'm just saying, like, what are they listening to?
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Not good stuff?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I mean, I'm still I'm still kind of trying to
figure out even if we're talking about the pop discussion,
why Janet is seventeen and then Beyonce, Mariah and Whitney
Yes in the top, Yes, yes, why the significant Now?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Before this Lizz even came out, I had a random
thought one day and I asked, you, is Janet good?
Do you remember this? Because I was like, without Jimmy
Jabb and Terry Lewis giving her all that great material?
Would would would she be good? Do they give her
that great material? If she's not Michael's little sister?
Speaker 3 (38:22):
They were giving like songs like like that the Charrelle,
They were giving songs like that Alexander O'Neil. Yeah, giving
songs like that to you know, sounds a black man.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
They didn't give they they didn't they didn't give They
didn't give Charill miss you much. They didn't give her escapade.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Which affair sounds like miss too much.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
They do that to give you some So that's not
like something else like Human League. Uh.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Who was it that was I was listening to? Uh
it was Terry Lewis. I heard Terry Lewis talking about this.
He said, when they were working on what's the what's
the song? She screamed with Michael. Yeah, they were competing
back and forth on who could do the lyrics the
best and tweak the lyrics, and he would say she
was holding her own with Michael very much impressed.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, of course I believe that.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
I mean, I don't know, man. Her stage presence is great.
You ever see her perform.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I watched her entire concerts and stuff when they used
to be on HBO back in the day.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
They used to have had the dude scrapped up.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, well that not that that was later. I wouldn't
have been able to watch that. When I was watching
the concerts. All right, we're gonna come back and we're
going to talk about should Mike Prince and Beyonce being
the top ten considering dr pop stars back on to
go tole Boys Forecast Media Radio Network. Man, I feel
(39:47):
like I got like a blood vessel about to pop
in my neck, man, Like you know, especially after that
Marven conversation a little while ago, that was real bad.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Nah, but at least it wasn't egregious the point where
they had somebody that had no business being number one.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Of course, of course, now with the three that are
in the top ten, since we've already established that JB
should be in the top ten considering all the number
one R and B hits that he made. Trump, you're
backing off of.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
That, right, I'm not saying the word.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I'm gonna tell my pops that you don't like giants
James Brown to see what you got to say about it.
That's his.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
I'm just saying. We were talking about whether shot A's
music was R and B, and I was like, it
didn't sell like James Brown's music was R and B.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Well, according to the Billboard US R and B chart,
it was. Now was is beat it R and B?
Speaker 4 (40:42):
No?
Speaker 2 (40:43):
That is that rock and roll? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Definitely a rocket?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Uh is anything after I Want to Be Your Lover
by Prince R.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
And B Most Beautifulest Girl in the World.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
The later stuff. But I'm talking about the height of Prince,
talking about under the Cherry move Press. I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Purple Ray prens Adore.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
A door is adoor is Yeah, scandalous that that was
the Batman soundtrack. You know that was the only thing
that was RB on that whole soundtrack. He ain't make
a lot of RB. Mike made a lot more R
and B than both Prince and Beyonce.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Then why did they keep playing that song? Okay, maybe
they're playing the same songs over and over on the
R and B radio.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
It's Mike, so it's it doesn't matter that it's rock
and roll. They don't care this Mike because because if
you go out here on the block and you ask
people its beating the R and B song, they'll probably say, yeah, well,
why is Eddie van Halen ripping his damn guitar on it?
Does that any van Hellen does? Does this Valley play? Uh?
(41:49):
Does he play RB guitar? That's not RB.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Prince doesn't really have a lot of art.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
That's right now. He came back later in like the
late two thousands and started making when he made that up,
what's the song called me that? But like he but
he he don't have a lot of R and B. Man,
like he was whatever he was doing, you know what
I'm saying. And to me and it's and and and
and and and princess to me like one of the
one of one of the five greatest artists of all time. Right,
(42:21):
but that doesn't this is an R and B artist list.
He shouldn't be side of the times times. Yeah, he's
got a couple here and there, but he wasn't really
making R and B. And there's no doubt about that.
And we and we went, we went like a decade
of beyonestly not making R and B. And then she
(42:41):
came back with Drunken Love and you know, rocking and
stuff like that. You know what I'm saying, They.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Don't feel like I'm educated enough on like her cattle
Full album.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Let's let's let's call the Dreams since he wrote all
of it.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Wait, wait, did you say Beyonce with a decade without
R and.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
B pretty much? When was this she was making pop music? Man,
that wasn't R and B.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
She had the Halo Halo song love on Top or whatever,
and she was.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
That repetitive song.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I like that song, but who wrote that? The dream
when she made an R and B song like, oh hey, Neo,
you got something funny? You know I can't make it myself.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
And you don't like eric ib I do being a
twenty eight I didn't no.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
No, no no no, don't know be putting words in
my mouth. I said, I don't feel like she should
be that that the gap between her and Jill should
be that far.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
I put in neither Baker a lot high in too.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yes, even though she ain't gonna be happy about you regardless,
because she just stays mad for some reason. That's like
the angriest woman alive.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Bro all right, ain't got no problem with it. That's all.
Kick baby Face off of tour, though maybe baby Face
is hard to work with.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh I think it's her. Oh, I think it's her.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Uh Patti LaBelle twenty five, stupid lionel Richie thirty two, dumb.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Damn line Richie is thirty two.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
I mean, I think the top like if you legitimately
ranked the top twenty five to thirty, it would be tough.
So people like Lionel and Patty would be kind of
seem like they're misplaced. But it's because all the other
people that there's a lot of legends, but Luther Vandross
should not.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Be Luther Vandross at twenty two, all right, that's the
that's like I take it back.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
A summer at thirty four, Like, I think that's too
she's probably in the sixties.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
That's just way too high for done. Even though she
dominates you. She dominated that. That wasn't R and B.
That was a disco and I was saying she shouldn't
be like that high. But I'm here to say now, man,
Luther Vandross at number twenty two is the worst thing
on this on this list, I.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Gotta agree with you there. And baby Face at thirty five.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
That's pretty rough too, But but the Luther at twenty
two is pretty bad. Like like that's that's the most
Like I want to beat somebody ass for like like that,
because you can't make a list of top five and
I have Luther and the top five. Let me talking
about just R and B artists like now, now Luther
in my top five, my personal top five. No, But
(45:30):
if I had to make a list of like the
greatest like R and B artists. If I'm making this list,
Stevie has to be in the top five. Marvin Luther, Aretha.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Whitney, Uh sure, forty two. That stupid, right, stupid, if
we if we, if we have teddypl Isaacay Isaac, he's
in that same as in that same air. I mean
(46:07):
because he was running in the orchestra.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, hits swell into the nine that the rest of
those artists didn't have. Tell me your secret, so I
mean to me, yeah, he should be at least twenty five.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
We're gonna come back and we're gonna quickly tell you
if Stevie Wonder should be number one on this list.
For the full length version of The Good Old Boys
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Top seventy five R and B artists of all time.
Stevie Wonder is number one. I said this to multiple people.
(46:45):
I wasn't mad about it. Even though I think Marvin
is the greatest artist ever, I'm not mad about Stevie
being there because, as Trump pointed out earlier, Stevie has
done it over several decades, several decades, and he's made
a lot of a lot of really good music. I
don't know if the versatility is there like somebody like
(47:06):
Marvin or even An R. Kelly, But the ability to
write like like y'all love Minnie Rippertson, loving you who wrote.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
It, Stevie.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
You see what I'm saying, Like like to me, man
like that that that counts for a lot more when
you're able to give other like give material to other people.
When when people can remake your song and then make
it go to number one, like O'Brien took his You
and I and made it his own thing, but Stevie
wrote it.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Jo took lately, Stevie wrote it Ribbon in the sky.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
It's so many freaking hits, man. So it's kind of
hard for me to say that he shouldn't be number one.
Speaker 3 (47:48):
Donelle Jones, like I said, like I said before, Stevie
could do a versus against himself and against the eighties,
and it would be hard to pick a win. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, his his catalog is probably his catalog out of
everybody on this list, I think it's the most consistent catalog.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
He's definitely number one. Yeah, problem with one.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's kind of hard to have him
not be number one.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
Man, I just don't want want the Grammys to put
him on stage anymore to sing or anything. Why right now?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Why? Because it's over?
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, sadly.
Speaker 4 (48:37):
Who's doing his hair though? He's still got that long
dreds in the list?
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Man, his his hairstyle is his business in the front,
party in the bag though.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
No, somebody, somebody's been making a good living taking advantage
of him.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
That's not true, but somebody needed to tell him a
long time. I go to get rid of him. proNT
of the dreads half a half a half a half
a dread Predator.
Speaker 4 (49:05):
But nobody says anything about Rihanna at forty six? How
did y'all miss that?
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I don't mind that.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
I mean she has a cowboy.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, she wasn't making she wasn't making R and B.
That is a fact. She's got a couple of rbs.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
And Anti has more R and B in it than
most her other stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, but no, uh, they got it right with Stevie
and Areta. That number two. I think I can't argue
with that. U.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Yeah, wrong everywhere else?
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, pretty much wrong everywhere else, Marvin, anything below three
is bad to me? Sorry, Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
Omitting all these people. Yes that I'm about to run
through real fast, shot a shot A, Brian McKnight, Rafael Sadig,
Gerald of Vert, Trey Songs, Robin Thick, timber Late, Johnny Gill,
Faith Evans, Monica, genuine to me, Tammy Therrell, Willie Hutch,
Vanessa Williams niece, Williams, Many represent Caim, Freddy Jackson mcgual,
(50:04):
Betty Wright, and Alexander O'Neill.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
How the hell is Monica not on his list? But
Brandy is?
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Well, Brandy should be on there, and Monica should be
on there.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Monica was a bigger star. And when they first hit
than Brandy out the gate, number one, out the gates,
out the games.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
What do you think she was the youngest of their numbers.
That's right, she was a young team. But Brandy, So
I want to be down and I want to be down,
remix and best friend and broken hearted?
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Oh that was great.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
So how is Monica bigger?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
She should be with the list.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
Yeah, if you put Brandy on there, I can see that,
but then side by side.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Why Brandy brother ain't at list.
Speaker 4 (50:47):
Because he's on a snitch, he's not talented.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
And then it's his fault that the Kardashians are here.
Speaker 4 (50:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Well we're going to close with what I think is
the quintessential Stevie Wonders.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Song and looking back at it, man, that TAPEVD was.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Me, it was Ben. But this is an ass by
Stevie and we will see you on the radio next week.
Speaker 4 (51:14):
Here we out this fucking thing.
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