Hulu Series Genius - MLK/X Review - The Hulu Series about Malcolm X and MLK

Hulu Series Genius - MLK/X Review - The Hulu Series about Malcolm X and MLK .In this episode of the Gospel of Malcolm X podcast. We discuss the Hulu Series MLK/X . We talk about the Historical accuracy of the series as well as a review of the film as a artistic piece .

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Brothers and sisters. You're tuned intoanother episode of the Gospel of machelm x's
podcast. I'm your host, brotherEric. As always, it is my
pleasure to be back and with youin the studio again. I like to
take the time out, as Ialways do, to give a special shout
out to all of the brothers andsisters that show your love and support to
the Gospel of malchaelm x's podcast.Your feedback messages and such. Are always

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appreciate it. So today's episode isgoing to be kind of a two part
thing, going to be combining twothings that I want to talk about.
So I'm going to finish up myreview on the genius series called mlk X
that I talked about on the lastepisode, and of course I was very

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critical of it, and I havesome more critiques of it, and I
have a few positive things that I'mgonna mention about it. The whole genre
in itself, I feel like it'scounterproductive. All of the money that we
spent on costumes and outfits and dressingpeople up to look like historical figures like
Milchcoel, Maxim, Martin, LutherKing, that money could be spent on

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researching, bringing out more truths andtelling their story in a more accurate way,
I feel. And so that's goingto be one of my critics on
this movie, just to not moviebut series rather. I probably refer to
it a lot as a movie lasttime as well, but it's a series.

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One of my main critiques on itis just the ahistoricity. And for
some people they don't mind that,they don't mind watching a film that has
historical figures in it, that's justa good story. For me, as
a person that considers themselves to bea historian and a student of history,
I find it to be problematic becausewhat it does is it blurs the lines

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between truths and falsehood. And onceyou start enter do some falsehood into the
equation that it makes everything falsehood andpeople don't have a good sense of what's
true and what's not. And thenyour average viewer of such material is not
going to go back and do thehistory on what's true and what's not and

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line up everything, etc. Andthen you also have to think about when
you have a story like this,and this story was told by way of
Disney, you would have to thinkabout why certain things would be omitted from
the story, right, Why certainthings are being Why is this story being

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told in this way with all ofthese omissions that are are being left out
of the story. I'll give youa prime example on a previous episode,
I've read from one of the Gospels, and then the Gospel of Mark during
the time of the crucifixion. Itmakes a reference to the other people that

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were It says they were captured duringthe insurrection. It just says the insurrection,
as if the Gospel of Mark presupposesthat you know what this insurrection is
or whatever. Now it just kindof says that. It just kind of
moves on with the rest of thenarrative. But if you study historically this

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time period that yes Sure or theperson that is called Jesus lived in,
then you would know that there wereinsurrections and rebellions and things taking place against
Rome in this first century atmosphere.So here we have a story that is
being told and something is said,but the full story is not being told.

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There's some history that is being leftout of the context of it.
When they ask Jesus taxes and thesenses and everything like, this was a
time during that time where the taxesand senses and all of that stuff was
a big deal and can't be justhistorically glossed over just as a part of

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a story. So I'm going togo back and look at some of my
notes here of things that I feltduring these last episodes. So when I
did my first review, I thinkat that point only the first two episodes
had been released, and so nowI think it's non total episodes and I've

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watched them all now, So froman entertainment point view, I would say
that things got much better. Idon't have any critiques necessarily for the actors
in terms of their acting job,just to say that may maybe at different
times a lot of the charisma thata Martin and a Malcolm had maybe have

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not been communicated, But that's charismaI'm talking about. These are people that
when they step in the room,you can feel their presence in the room,
and you can't necessarily act that out, you know what I mean,
Like these are are men of greatstature, just their mere presence just kind
of em admitted, just a certainvibrational frequency to it, and that can't

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be carried over. But that's somethingthat I felt like was missing. So
you're kind of getting watered down versionsof Malcolm X and Martin Luther King,
and I could tell that the actorswere trying to communicate some of that charisma
different times when acting out the speeches, like say, for instance, the

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ballot or the bullet speech. Icould see that the actor that played Malcolm
X was really trying to carry thatover when Martin Luther King gave the speech.
The Martin Luther King character gave thespeech at the end the speech where
where Martin Luther King says, Imight not get there with you, but
I just want to do guard aswill. I've been to the mountaintop.

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He totally And I'm not saying thathe's a bad actor. I don't want
to critique his art in that way. I actually think it was an entertaining
film, so I'm not necessarily critiquingthat art that way. But this is
just something that happens in the genre. And then also the words were changed
from the speech. I don't knowif he just couldn't say mountaintop or whatever,

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like it just did not carry theenergy of a Martin Luther King's speech,
I mean, and it was justcompletely warded down. When you go
and watch that actual Martin Luther King'sspeech, and you see that the energy
that this man was pulling down wasliterally shaking his whole body to the point

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that he had to be set down. And I kind of have experienced that.
I know what it feels like whenyou have that kind of electrifying you
speaking and you have that kind ofelectricity that Martin Luther King was communicating,
and he was communicating it well,and I felt like that just didn't get
carried over not too much of aheavy critique for the actors. I felt

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like the actors were solid, evenif they didn't exactly look like the people
who they were playing. I reallyfelt I didn't necessarily have a problem with
the acting and the movie from ahistorical point of view. And let me
say something that might get me ina little a little trouble with the missis

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too. I kind of grew alittle fondness for the lady that played Correcta.
She was she was playing that role, she was doing showing that feminine
energy. She's a little a littlethicker than the the actual Coretta. But
that's a that's a good thing tobrother Eric. But that's a side note.
That's a side note. I mightget ah, I might get a

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lecture about this later from the missus, but it's all good, so let
me look at my notes here.So from an acting standpoint, I would
say yes, much better. Theydepicted Malcolm and Betty meeting very romantic introductions.
They had the Hint and Johnson scenedepicted that you guys have seen in

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the Malcolm X movie. They basicallyjust kind of did the same scene with
Malcolm raises his hands and everybody disperses, and it was cool. They showed
some strife between uh doctor, betweenCoretta Scott King and Doctor King's father,
and they basically kind of had hishis dad playing almost a almost like an

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adversary type role. Yeah, theyhad his dad in like an adversarial type
role in a way, not completely, I mean, there was still cordiality
and respect there, but they definitelyshowed his dad in an adversarial type role.
The Baynard Rusting character was very interestingbecause then they they introduced some themes

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in there, Like they talked aboutan allegation that was supposed to have come
from Adam Clayton Pole about an affairbetween Bernard Rusting and Martin Luther King,
which is just a weird thing tointroduce him to a story. I checked
with one of my OG's about thisand he said that historically and I didn't.
I didn't research. Oh, letme also get into the I want

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to finish this point, and thenI want to get into the butterfly thing
from the last episode as well,because I want to correct something on that.
Yeah, I definitely want to getinto the butterfly thing, but just
finishing this point where Bynard Rusted.They introduced this whole thing in terms of
an alleged affair between Baynard Rustling.I mean, of course in the movie
they don't show what it's accurate,but they try to say that Adam Clayton

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Poweer is the one that was throwingthat out there. And basically, in
this particular scene, Martin Luther Kingallows Bonard Rusting to resign because Adam Clayton
Powell was making these false allegations thatMartin Luther King and Banyonard Rusting is having
an affair, when in actuality,Adam Clayton Powell just blew up the spot

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that Banyonard Rusting was gay. Andso at this time in the sixties,
that was something that was going tobe heavily frowned upon, especially with them
having a Christian movement, a churchmovement, et cetera. So Adam Clayton
Powell did blow up the spot ofband art Rustling with that, but it
was never anything where there was anytype of accusations of him and King or

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anything like that. So that Ithink, I thought that that was weird,
thought that they really they didn't depictthe fact that King at least not
that I recall how early this guygraduate he Like, the show is literally
called genius, and we have aguy that enters college at age fifteen,
and you get any more genius thanthat. He had his doctorate really early,

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Like, this guy's mind was amazing. And yet they give all of
the credit for the brains of theoperation to bon Ard Rusting, simply,
in my opinion, because bonart Rustingwas gay, and so they give all
of the credit to Martin Luther Kingthat everybody else that was around. I
guess it was just a bunch ofidiots, and that basically Berard Rusting was

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the brains of this operation. AndI'm not saying that Bernar Rusting doesn't deserve
any credit or that people like what'smy guy that wrote the Fire Next Time,
James Baldwin or whatever like. I'mnot pro that lifestyle choice, but
I'm also not gonna discredit people thathave done amazing things and have that are

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good people despite lifestyle choices. AndI think Baldwin made incredible contributions as well.
Malcolm had tremendous respect for Baldon Baldwin, and Baldwin actually also had tremendous
respect for Malcolm X. I remembera quote from Baldwin when he says something
changed in the universe when they killedMalcolm X, and I thought that that

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was profound, and I agree withhim. So back to the butterfly thing,
which is just a weird thing thatthey They kept this narrative at the
beginning of the movie and they keptit at the end, with this whole
love for butterflies. I was ableto find a New York Times article that
mentioned something about his daughter referencing somethingabout a butterfly collection, so it perhaps

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has some historical place. I wasn'table to find a whole lot about it.
She was the only person that referencedit. I didn't. He wasn't
able to find any references anywhere elseon it. But I thought it was
just kind of a weird thing tozoom in on, and also I hadn't

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seen it reference in any other movies. But he did reference the butterfly at
the end, not like a wholecollection, but he referenced how a butterfly
starts off as a calipitlar and etc. Etc. At the end, which
was I don't know some of thedepictions there as well, with the assassination

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scenes and stuff like that. Someof that scene to be a little cheaply
done for this to be a Disneyproduction. I feel like with all of
this money being spent on producing somethinglike this, they would have been better
off to me just making a reallygood documentary like the Whole Killed Manhole X's

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documentary. As much as I wascritical of it, I would still tell
people to go and watch it.I may not have felt like that at
the times that I first reviewed it, but looking at it now from historically
and what it did and how Ihad people thinking, I would say that
there is definitely an angle there withthe documentary in terms of them letting Thomas

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and Butler off the hook that Istill can't get along with. But being
that the years have passed. Ireally do. I have a I have
more of an appreciation for that documentarythan I first did, and I plan
to a plan to watch it again. I gotta I may watch the whole

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thing again on Sunday and and doan updated review in terms of my perspective
on it, because I feel likeit's maybe something that need to be watched
every February. We might need tobe watching the Who Killed Malcolm X's documentary?
So yeah, So they talked aboutbeing art rustling, like I said,
they overdid. They overdid that.There's a huge water run down of

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all of the messages, the waythat this stuff is spoken in the theaters.
It's just not as radical, notas deep as either King or Malcolm
was. They go out of theirway to make King and Malcolm seems choven
us at times, like there's atime where they have like King they have.

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Coreta makes this call to get Kingout of jail. She calls Kennedy
before Kennedy becomes president. So shemakes this call and she has all of
us insight. And then basically onceKing gets on and he's going to the
White House to meet whatever, hetells Kreta that she can't come to the
White House. It's only for theman. It's weird that seems like that

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was written in. They highlight someof the political differences between Elijah and Malcolm.
They present Lewis Lomax like Lewis Lomaxas a trader if I have time
at the end, that is justdespicable. The fact that Lewis Lomax was
are predicted that Louis Lomax was theone that pointed out that John I Lee
was working for the FBI, likeLewis. Lewis Lomax was basically killed for

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pointing that information out. Like LewisLomax is a hero. So I don't
know who they consulted too and whythey would predict him in there like he
was some kind of trader and thathe was the one that caused all of
his strife with this documentary. Butthat was also problematic, so I talked

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about the show business. They hadthis guy in that the fictional characters.
This kind of reminds me a littlebit of the first Malcolm X movie with
the fictional with the fictional characters,and so one of the fictional characters in
the Spike Lee movie Malcolm X wasa guy named Baines, and Baines was

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about four or five different characters.He was John I. Lee, he
was fay Con at times, hewas so many different he was ideas at
different times. But there's no historicalperson named Banes, and so it always
troubles me sometimes when people ask me, oh, who is this Baines God
when they watched the movie, thereis no Banes and so similar in this

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document not documentary, but in thisseries they have a character named Clyde,
and Clyde is also historical. Ican see at thoms him playing the role
of a fairy Cohn, a JohnA Lee, A I forget the name
of the brother, but he wasAliger's son in law, Captain Shariff.
All of these type of characters arekind of rolled up in one. And

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so this this person, Clyde brotherClyde plays this very institatory role and he's
the one that's keeping the strife goingbetween Malcolm and Elijah, and he's very
jealous of Malcolm and this nation ofIslam. And this movie seems just very
small as well. It just seemslike such a small organization. It doesn't

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show all the businesses and all ofthe temples and all of the like,
you would think that this was likea small church or something. So I
don't even think that the size ofthe organization was shown. The way that
Malcolm went out on the streets andbuilt all of these temples, I don't
really think that that was shown.And just the size of it. It's

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like everything was just kind of focusedon this Harlem temple when really know they
did show I think they had ascene where Sister Betty traveled to another temple,
but still it just really to me, the size of it just didn't
get communicated very well, and theyprobably I don't know what the budget was.

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See, if you didn't spend timefocusing on budgets to remake stuff like
that, then you could just showactual footage of the size of it so
you can see like the Savior's Dayrallies, et cetera. So another thing
that I talked about from the recentepisodes, they had Malcolm getting suspended for
confronting Aldjah about the babies. Sobasically Malcolm makes his in this movie is

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like Malcolm makes his comments about Kennedy, which I don't think that they completely
I won't, I won't I don'tknow. I thought that that maybe could
have been communicated a little better aswell, into the context of what was
going on internationally. It did referenceit, it did reference Patrice La Momba

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and stuff like that, which ismore than some other pieces have done.
But I would like to see thatcomment since it was deemed as soak controversial
and it led to all of thisconflict, when really it was just a
pretext that the writing was already onthe wall for Malcolm anyway in terms of

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his getting kicked out of the nation. This was just used as a as
a pretext, and unfortunately he walkedright into history with it, you know,
when they when they asked him thequestion, he just walked right into
the history. So it is whatit is. But so in this one,

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so after when Elijah is talking toMalcolm about his comments, Malcolm fires
back at Elijah and he's like,oh, I know about these babies and
BASSI blah. He talks to himabout Sister Evelyn, when really it was
a whole lot more than just SisterEvelyn. It was several secretaries that were

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impregnated, and there's even allegations thatyou can check out from Leon Muhammet on
Barbershop Conversations, where lee On Muhammadis basically saying that it was said that
Elijah was dealing with his own grandchildren, the granddaughters that he was dealing with,

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and so this caused some kind ofstrife which had just disgusted Clara and
she was just kind of away fromElijah during this time. But yeah,
you can check those allegations out overon Barbershop Conversations, his interview with lee
On Muhammad, who was a memberof the Nation of Islam during that time

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and had some connections to the InnerCircles. So yeah, so that was
kind of ahistorical because they didn't that'sit was about that, But it wasn't
like one conversation, So that justkind of got summarized in the sense where
it's like I'm here by suspending youda da dada, But it just it

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just wasn't how it happened, andthere was just so much more detail,
so much more many things that wasleft out. So we have this growing
and differences between Elijah and Malcolm that'sbeing depicted but was not talked about and
was not shown at all in themovie, is that one of the FBI's
goals at this time was to separateMalcolm and Elijah Muhammad. So there was

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letters being sent back and forth.There wasn't just some brother named Clyde.
There was members of Elijah Muhammad's ownfamily that were getting paid so much money,
and Malcolm was a threat to allof this money. That these people
were living high off the hog.And so this story that's being told here
is almost like the preschool version ofeverything that was going on. And there

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was governmental hand. This was oneof the objectives was to separate Malcolm and
Elijah Muhammad. And knowing that Malcolmseparation from Elijah Muhammad and the climate of
how the Nation of Islam worked couldlead to conflict and eventually something would happen
like what happened without government having totake responsibility for what happened, despite government

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playing an instigatory role, and whatin the conflict that was going on.
So it's like, hey, wewe don't start the We we started upont
a bit, but we didn't pullthe trigger or whatever. So it kind
of leads to plausible plausible deniability,so to speak, where we look at

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the situation with Malcolm and that lieutenant. He was a lieutenant from the Nork
mosque that pulled the trigger was MustafaMustapha Muhammad what aka William Bradley was his
government name, twenty seven year oldguy. All of these guys coming from

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the Newark Marris. These guys weren'tFBI agents, you know, they weren't
FBI agents. But the tension hadbeen so thick. Now, John I
Lee, on the other hand,who I do believe met with these guys.
He was directly compromised, no doubtabout it. So I mean in
that sense, yes, but theseguys were being used as a part,

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a part of this religious call,and all of that information is being left
out of what was happening. Thelevel of surveillance on Malcolm, on the
temple, on Elijah Muhammad, ElijahMuhammad himself, there's thousands of pages of
There's more FBI pages on Elijah Muhammadthan I think on Martin Luther King or

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Malcolm X. He was being thereorly surveiled because of his potential. However,
I feel like, and this isgoing to lead into a whole other
topic, but I feel like hisinvolvement with Freemasonry, his love for money,

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and all of that. For whateverreason, the government couldn't see that
that would not allow him to fullybe a threat. So I don't I
won't go too far down that rabbithole, but I do feel like Elijah's
he wasn't. He was a freemason, and there's checks and balances. He
was one of them. And hebegins showing he began wearing that hat with

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that upside down pentagram on it.If you notice back in the day,
the hats that Elijah had had thepentagram that were upright had the upright star.
With the pentagram, we know thatit has five the word pentammemes five
and so the two it's a representationof man. So when you have the

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one point at the top, thatrepresents the spirit, and then the course
the legs and the arms down atthe bottom, it's a representation of man.
But when you invert the pentogram,then you have one point down at
the bottom and there's two points upat the top, So it's almost as
if man is on his head right. So that means that now spirit is
down at the bottom and the materialworld is ruling. And so basically that's

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where really what it was for Elijahis that he chose material over spirituality over
doing what was right over whatever.I mean. I never say that Elijah
Muhammad was a bomb and he didn'thave potential or whatever. If you listen
to the lyrics of my Happy SaviorsDay song, I say that Elijah he

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could have changed the world if heonly was honest. He loved the money
and the cloud and his holy persona, so he enjoyed being the guy.
He's the messenger of a lot.He's the closest thing to go walking earth.
Can you get in? That's betterthan being a rapper, That's better
than being a basketball player. Thesepeople think that this man is basically God

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on earth. He's being worshiped atthat level. So for him, this
is you can't beat it, youknow what I mean? Like, this
is this is a dream come true. This is a guy with a fourth
grade education from Sandersville, Georgia that'snow taking trips on private planes. And

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we got this guy who I taughthim. He's he's talking about the revolution.
He don't even I gave him ahouse. Elijah gabs Malcolm a house.
Malcolm didn't even have the common senseto put it in his name.
He left it in the name ofthe nation because he thought that look,
this should be a sharing thing.We can all put our our we had

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share all things to come. Andgoing back to the scriptures once again,
we go back to the Book ofActs where it talks about the early disciples
of Yeah, sure, how theyshared all things in common. This is
something that Malcolm had in mind,being a true Messionic figure, not a
false prophet like I will allege thatElijah Muhammad is. Malcolm being a true
Messionic figure, felt like, hey, I'll leave it in that. I'll

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leave everything in the name of thenation. We build in a nation.
It's not gonna be my personal property. It's for all of us. Where's
Elijah Muhammad? He put all thatin his name, all the cars or
whatever. And then when he diedbecause he had so many children out of
wetlock and etc. It all endedup going back to the state because they

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were fighting over who got what andwhatever. And that's kind of the sad
thing about the lifestyle that he wasliving. And he never called those other
women wives, and it got playedout like that, and unfortunately, or
however you see it. The thingis going to happen with fay Con when

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it's his time to become an ancestor, because he too has several different children
that are not with the woman hecalls wife, and a lot of people
don't know this. I discussed itin other and other podcast episodes, and
I even played a clip of himtalking about it kind of in colde the
last time he did a savior statespeech. So but that's that's neither here

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nor there. So another thing thatis depicted is this Malcolm's house was getting
constant calls and death threats. Theywasn't showing they were showing Martley the King
getting the constant They started picking itup when I wrote this note. They
wasn't showing that it as much,but they did start showing that Malcolm's house

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was getting constant calls and death threats. They were showing Martley the King is
working the long hours, and andthat being the thing. Really that was
Malcolm X that was working the longhours, and Betty was tripping. She
wanted her man to be at homemore, which is understandable. She had
a lot of kids and she wantedthe comfort of her husband. They did
show Malcolm getting hang up calls,and I think that this goes back to

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speak to They should have been showingthe people that was on the other end
of the phone making those calls becausethe Nation of Islam was at this particular
time acting like a terrorist group.They were acting like a terrorist group.
They were absolutely terrorizing Malcolm's family withthese phone calls, trying to stab on
the outside of his house and atthe orders of Elijah Muhammad Junior. When

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Elijah Muhammad came to New York togive a speech, so they had like
a fruit meeting, a meeting withthe fruit of Islam. This is talked
about in the Who Killed Malcolm X'sdocumentary, and one of the guys that
went to jail for he got outeventually for the assassination. He was there
and they basically some of the transcriptstalk about how Elijah Muhammad said, oh,

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go cut his tongue out, putit in the envelope and we'll stamp
it with the silver approval and sendit back to my dad. So this
is the kind of and after hesaid this, there was guys outside of
Milchael's house with knobs trying to gethim in front of his kids. Luckily
Malcolm narrowly escaped. They showed theytalked about the stuff with the car bombing

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and etc. Like. They hada scene that was kind of about that
where Malcolm had to have his daughtersit on the steps and start the car
away from her so that they couldgo and get ice cream. I liked
some of the depictions of them,showing Malcolm as a husband and as a
father, dancing with his wife anddancing with his daughters and things like that.
Those were very friendly depictions, andI had an appreciation for them.

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There's a book about Betty Shabaz thatI think better covers it. I think
it's called Living Betty X or somethinglike that. I always highly recommend that
book because it really gets into thedomestic life of Malcolm X and he really
did have an appreciation for ice creamand uh, you know, spending time
with his daughters and and things likethat. So I I like the I

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like the fact that some of thosesome of those softer sides were depicted in
the in the movie, and hewasn't just shown as this monster that had
horns coming out of his head.Still looking at my notes here, but

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yeah, so the Nation of Islam, I think I think that those calls
should have been depicted. Y'all goingto show the calls show who was making
the calls off it was the FBI, then show them making the calls as
well, but a lot of thatwas coming from the n o Y at
that particular time, just really beingand on it, you know, really

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being on it with the phone calls. Another thing that got talked about was
that it showed that immediately after Malcolmgot suspended that was talking, there was
already talk about killing him, thatwas taking place as early as January.
And so why is this important?Because we got to get our timelines right.

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I was talking to my mom,she was watching She was listening to
a speech that I think I'm goingto play at the end of this,
and she said something that I hadto share with my mom, the historicity
of So she was like, yeah, once he talked about Muhammad, Malcolm

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was done. And also in thisfilm they say Malcolm stilled his fate once
he said something about Muhammad, orhe he disparaged Muhammad or whatever cases.
Here's the problem with that because atthe time that Malcolm was, before Malcolm

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had even fully left the nation,the car bombings and all of that was
already in play. So this iswhat I'm saying, they was already trying
to kill him as early as January. He didn't even fully announce he was
leaving until March, so a lotof the murder stuff was already in play
in terms of like, hey,brother, they talking about killing you or

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whatever. That was Abdullah Rasat,who really needs a show of his own
based off of some of the thingsthat we've been learning about in him recently,
possibly being a trader in other things, a spy, and he was
accused of such. Abdula Resat alsoknown as John James I'm sorry, James

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sixty seven X definitely was accused ofbeing a spy by several people that were
around Malcolm, and oh Marsha Bazdid a very good documentary I think,
providing solid evidence that he actually wascompromised, either compromised for the FBI,
the NY or both because both ofthem played the games of surveillance and spies

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and et cetera. But so,yeah, the Malcolm, they were trying
to kill him anyway before he saidanything. He didn't say anything about the
babies I believe until May or June, so he had already so this was
months before. Only thing would havehappened if Malcolm didn't expose Elijah Muhammad is

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that he would have died without exposingElijah Muhammad. And I think that the
fact that he did expose Elijah Muhammad, it brought it got a lot of
people out of that call. Sothis was bigger than Malcolm that he had
brought a lot of people into thiscall, and thankfully he had got a
lot of people out of it aswell and brought them into greater truth.
So I think that I'm happy thathe was Elija Muhammad for the sake of

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history, and he exposed him withgreat detail, not only for the compromising
situation he was in with these teenagesecretaries, but also his affiliation with h.
L. Hunt and how afraid ElijahMuhammad was after Kennedy's assassination. Malcolm
X stated that he had never seena man more afraid than Elijah Muhammad was

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after Kennedy was assassinated, and thatto me goes back to the height of
Elijah Muhammad's Masonic connections. I don'tthink that Malcolm fully knew how much of
a aristocrat or a higher up ElijahMuhammad had become. He had basically brought

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himself up into another social class.He was not just a little boy from
Sandersville, Georgia anymore, he'd hereally became high up in freemasonry. Believe
he studied the York Right Freemasonry,and he he ascended, he ascended into

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a different social class. And forhim, it really wasn't about revolution.
It was about religion. And becausereligion was profittarian, it wasn't about spirituality
either. It was about religion andpreaching the dogma, preaching the yaku theory,
preaching only the parts of Islam thatwouldn't be a threat to the status

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quo. And so when Elijah beganwearing those hats with the upside down pentagram
on it, I believe that hewas sending a message that, hey,
y'all, I'm with the status quo. I'm on the side of Satan,
just like y'all to me the battle, and I'm going to do a full
episode on this if it be God'swill. The battle but between Malcolm X

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and Elijahammad wasn't just between Elija Muhammadand Malcolm X. This was a battle
between light and dark, the forcesof light and the forces of evil.
And Elijah Muhammad was certainly on theforces on the side of the forces of
evil. This is why he didthe job of evil. Several, uh,

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several a lot of people were killedbehind just leaving the nation and beat
up just behind leaving the nation.Up in Boston, people were getting killed
just for leaving because Malcolm X,by speaking his truth, had taken several
a lot of people began they beginto lose numbers. So I really believe

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in Elijah's elite affiliation that he wason the side of the devil, like
he was on the side of darkness. That's my personal belief, and I
believe that Malcolm X was on theside of righteousness. And we see how
that ended, Malcolm X dying amessianic death, unfortunately in front of his

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family, but yeah, sure alsokilled and martyred in front of his family.
And sometimes that's how it how itgoes. Elijah Muhammad got to die
peacefully of natural causes, et cetera, and the cult legacy got to live
on and be passed down to hisson and then eventually even taken to another

(39:28):
level by none other than the carman that was there during the whole time.
Uh. Lewis X a ka LewisFaircomb. But this is uh,
this is a part of it,you know, this is a part of
it. Let's see. So there'sa weird fictional scene at the end,

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uh that shows Malcolm talking to hismother. I do believe at the end
of his life he did talk tohis sister and say that they need to
get their mother out of Colambazoo,but definitely not her being like right there
at the table and saying a prayerwith him. It's a beautiful scene,
but it's certainly a fictional scene,and it just was a historical They showed

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Malcolm with a beard, but Idon't I never saw him take the trip
to Mecca and the pilgrimage, fully, the trips to Africa, all of
the speeches that he was doing inAfrica, him being poisoned by the CIA
while he was in Africa and havingto get his stomach pump, and how

(40:30):
this also this international thing that hewas doing with starting the OO, the
OAAU and turning black people struggle froma I don't know if I'm going to
play that clip at the end,guys, I think I'm gonna just end
up wrapping it here. Taking Blackpeople struggle from just a civil rights struggle

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to a human rights struggle and internationalizingour struggle and combining it with the African
struggle on the continent and with theblack people struggle in the Caribbean. And
what they didn't want, and Ibelieve this isn't a document somewhere, what
they didn't want is black people gettingreconnected with that route that's called Africa,

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and even those Caribbean brothers and sisters, our brothers down there, getting all
of us reconnected again. So hewas internationalizing our struggle and he was also
making the move that would be embarrassingto any oppressive government by showing that,
hey, we have a human rightsstruggle right here in America, especially if

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that government is predicting as projecting itselfas basically the leader of the free world,
so to speak. Malcolm was planningto drag them into the court of
the United Nations and embarrass them,and that this was very problematic and certainly
expedited his assassination. The Nation ofIslam just basically were like contry killers,

(42:00):
so to speak. But his politicalhis true political passion and what he was
doing would be more of the causeand basically the Nation of Islam stuff they
would just used as an effect.Some niggas hired out by the government to
do this, this little beef thatthey had going on, when really,

(42:22):
if anybody in the Nation of Islamhad any common sense, they could see
that what Malcolm was doing was somuch bigger than this little beef that was
brewing between Malcolm in a logia,Now, do I feel like Malcolm was
on the right side of the beefand exposing everything, Absolutely, because once
again they are on the side ofevil. They are working with the powers

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of evil to maintain the status quo. By number one, teaching a false
religion. I'm not saying that there'sno truth in it, but the overall
concept of it is definitely based infalsehood. And so they're certainly working on
the side of evil, not justwith their religions belief everybody has the right

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to, in my opinion, believewhatever you want to believe, but the
actions UH say otherwise in terms ofthem being righteous, because it's one thing
to say you righteous, But goingback to the words of UH, the
one that was called Jesus, wejudge a tree by the fruits at bears.

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And so when you involved not onlyin Malcolm's assassination but attempted assassinations,
on College Muhammad and members are gettingbeat up and killed just for leaving,
et cetera. That's some horrible fruit. Not only that, no pun intended.
Not only that, but also allof the children that were born out
of they didn't get to grow upwith their father, Elijah Muhammad, all

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of the children that were quote unquoteborn out of wetlock because of all of
this was going on, and ElijahMuhammad wasn't the only ones sleeping around having
babies out of whatever. The wholething is. It's like, hey,
you stay married, don't mess upyour family, and you don't be messy.
But basically they were able to alldo what they want. So there's

(44:13):
some things here that I didn't putin my notes that I do want to
touch on while I'm thinking about it, and then I'll decide whether I want
to play that last club. Sothe Martin Luther King thing, he definitely
got watered down a lot. Sobetween nineteen sixty seven and nineteen sixty eight,

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King was certainly moving in a directionwhere he was becoming more and more
like milcaelm X, not only inhis deed but also in his presentation,
etc. Like he was just becomingmore and more radical, and they did
show the decision and the conversation ofwhat drove King he had to eventually speak

(44:59):
out against his Vietnam War, andthey had a scene that actually showed Correta
speaking out against the Vietnam War first, and that's what pushed King. I
don't know whether that's historical or not. If it were historical, it wouldn't
be surprising, because our women makeus all better, and our women they
showed things. They help us seethings that we wouldn't ordinarily see. Now,

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one thing that could have been depictedin this movie too, and I'll
go back to the point that Iwas about to make with King, is
that Betty was really the one thathelped Malcolm see the corruption in the Nation
of Islam and everything that was goingon, because she was like, Hey,
look at our house versus look attheir the way that they live in
Zazi Bla. Now they kind ofgloss over that in the movie, but

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they there's no scene where she justis straight up exposing the nation for how
their leadership is living versus how Malcolm'show Malcolm and Betty are are living,
and a lot of that is notthat Malcolm couldn't have lived like that if
he wanted to. But he hadthis I don't want to say calmunists because

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that word has just been whatever.But he had the idea that I don't
have to live high off the hog. This is not for me to live
high off the hog. I'm justtrying to sustain, maintain, and we
can leave this in the name ofthe nation and we can build. We
can build as one. I don'thave to be the crown royal or whatever.

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But that wasn't what was in themind of the leadership. This was
all a racket in them and theywere all profitent, profiting from it as
much as they could. But Bettywas she played a role in opening Malcolm's
eyes and that should have been depicted. But going back to Kreta, I
don't know if that was historical ornot. But eventually Martin Luther King got

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around to speaking out against the VietnamWar. What I saw as the motivating
factor for historically for him speaking outagain the Vietnam War was that he was
actually on a flight to Jamaica andbefore he got on this flight, he
got his hands on a newspaper.And you know, back then newspapers could
be graphing, and he saw thebodies of these Vietnamese that were being blown

(47:14):
up and whatever, and he justit just pushed him over the edge.
So Martin Luther King gave a speechin nineteen sixty seven. April fourth,
nineteen sixty seven, he gave aspeech speaking out against the Vietnam War,
in which in this speech he calledAmerica the greatest purveyor of violence. One

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year later, to the date ofApril fourth, nineteen sixty eight, Martin
Luther King was killed, So oneyear to the date of him speaking out
against the Vietnam War and given thatspeech on April fourth, nineteen sixty seven,

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he was Now that speech should havebeen they kind of they showed it
in the movie, but I don'tknow. It just didn't carry the charisma
of a king speech. And itwas a lot of key things that was
left out with him talking about boycottand wonderbread and Coca cola. I mean,
like the amount of radicalness in itwas just over the top. I

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mean, this thing was so watereddown that it is absolutely ridiculous. It
was so watered down. So Ireally struggled with that. But both before
monthly the King spoke out against theVietnam War. Malcolm X has spoke out
against the Vietnam War even before that, so I think that those parallels could
have been drawn up as well.But Doctor King, more closely to his

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death, begins speaking out against theVietnam War, and they showed him going
to Memphis to work with the sanitationto stand with the sanitation workers down there,
So I thought that was also,you know, it was cool.
Like I said, a lot moremoney could have been invested in the historicity

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of this and it would benefit viewersa lot more than just watching some watered
down representation of these two great menbecause the acting and all of that,
And like I said, I'm notcritiquing any of the actor's craft. More
power to them in their craft.And I thought that the film was somewhat

(49:27):
as entertaining as it as could befor something that is largely a historical And
so for me, the a historicalpart and things being changed, etc.
It just as a historian, thisgenre itself is just not for me.
But I feel like it would justbe more productive for humanity itself and more

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valuable for humanity itself if we spenttime into peeling through all of these FBI
files that were on MLK and orMartin Luther King and more FBI foles.
I think of mL case FBI fileshaven't been fully released yet, but when
they are, I don't want tosee a movie redepicting any of this shit.

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Let's get excuse my language. I'msorry, guys, I don't want
to see a movie redepicting any ofthis. Let's just get into the nitty
gritty of what's there and talk aboutwhat's there a movie of it. Spending
all of this money on costumes andmaking people look like Michael Mex and Correta,
Scott King and Betty Shabbaz, etc. And working on having these accents

(50:37):
or whatever. At the end ofthe day, it's just it's a waste
of time and it's already been done. I don't think that anybody would be
hard pressed to do as good ofa job as Spike Lee did on recreating
a movie as problematic as the SpikeLee Malcolm X's movie may be. For
me in terms of it having characterslike Bangs, etc. It'll be hard

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to outdo Denzel and all of themillions of dollars that went into it.
But what if the millions of dollarswent into research. You know what if
we put the millions of dollars intoscouring through these records and scowling through the
history and interviewing people that were thereand et cetera. And unfortunately, the

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time for that is just running outbecause as the history goes on, we
know less and less witnesses of thesetwo great men that were actually there because
people are just getting old and dyingoff. So I think I've pretty much
decided against the playing of that.Let me see if I could pull it
up. I've been sitting here debatingthis in my head but communicating it to

(51:45):
y'all this whole time whether I wantto play it. My mom called me
while I was on here, somaybe that's a sign I should I should
play it. And I thought theycould have played more of the speeches in

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this movie in this series as wellof the actual people, like let's hear
their actual voice, you know,like, let's hear their actual voice.
So I'll go ahead and do it. It's gonna carry me. He's gonna
make this probably longer than I wantedit to be, but it is what
it is. I appreciate y'all forbeing with me brothers and sisters. Mister

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Malcolm, when you broke with ElijahMuhammad back in March, you said it
was because the Black Muslims were toonarrowly sectarian and inhibited, and because Elijah
Muhammad had become blindly jealous of youand the personal following you had gathered.
I said the first part, butthe last part. I didn't say that
Elijah Muhammad himself had become blindly jealous. I mentioned that it was his family

(52:55):
and the officials in Chicago. Everythingthat I said all was designed to protect
mister Muhammad himself, primarily because theimage that he had created was the image
that enabled his followers to remain strongin faith and things of that sort,
and I didn't want to see anyadverse effect or negative result developed in the

(53:19):
faith of all of his followers.But actually, despite the fact that I
tried to protect the Muslim movement,if you'll notice, they used their newspaper
to slander me and to label meas a hypocrite and as a rebel,
and mister Muhammad himself said that Idefected. Well, in reality, I
never even left the Muslim movement.They put me out, and they put

(53:42):
me out because of what I knew, and what I knew was told to
me by mister Muhammad's son, WallaceMuhammad himself, they put me out and
they put him out. Well,now, first of all, let's find
out what it is that Wallace Muhammad, Elijah Mohammad's son told you. Well,
number one, if you notice,the stick that I always used in
presenting, representing and defending the Muslimmovement was the fact that it had the

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ability ability to reform the morals ofthe so called negro community. It eliminated
drug addiction, alcoholism, fornication,adultery, loose sex, sexual behavior,
which meant that I eliminated bastard babies, illegitimate children. Well, as long
as I knew that this was whathad represented and it gave me a strong

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stick, I could represent it anddefend it. But we had a law
which meant which means which was thatwhenever any Muslim became involved in any kind
of sexual relationship with someone to whomthey weren't married, that person would be
brought before the Muslim community, humiliatedand then isolated for from one to five

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years. This was our law.Well, in nineteen fifty four, a
teenage sister left Detroit and became oneof mister Muhammad's person secretaries, and they're
in the Chicago office. She becamepregnant after being there for a year,
and she was brought before the move. So let me stop there. So

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so Malcolm says, this sister wasa teenage sister left Detroit. Now this
might be the lady named Hughes.Something huge. Ola Hughes, I believe
is the name of the teenage sister. So what Malcolm is talking about here
now and is gone beyond just fornication. We're talking about statutorial Petty. You

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know, we get you're getting inthat in that room some community and humiliated
and isolated. And a year later, another secretary, this time one from
Lansting, Michigan, came to Chicago. She also became pregnant. She was
brought before the community and humiliated andisolated. And because the other person was

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never brought forth during this court set, it was concluded by all of mister
Muhammad's followers that it was a nonMuslim who was the other party. Well,
we grew so rapidly that in nineteenfifty seven or fifty eight the secretarial
staff was expanded to I think eighteenaged sisters. In nineteen fifty nine,

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six of them disappeared. Two ofthem reappeared in Philadelphia about two or three
months later, and they were allright. The other four reappeared in nineteen
sixty. All four of them hadbabies. All four of them had become
involved with someone and become pregnant andhad these children. So it was from
what I now know, when thefour of them got back to Chicago and

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began to compare notes, they foundthat the same man had told all of
them the same story and had madeall of them pregnant. That the same
man was the father of all fourof their children, and had also been
the father of the children brought forthby the two secretaries who preceded them.
So this story was kept among thesesisters until nineteen sixty two. Two of

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them rebelled against the person who wasresponsible and began to tell the story all
over the city of Chicago. Itcaused many of the Muslims in the Chicago
mosque to leave and go back outin the street. They knew it,
and I knew nothing about it untilnineteen sixty three, when mister Mohammad's son,

(57:21):
who had been in prison came out, and he was he had been
a minister. He was very religiousand spiritual, and when he began to
hear these rumors around Chicago, hewent to one of the sisters, and
the sister admitted to him that therumor was true, and it was he
who first told me about it.And when he told me about it,
I wrote to mister Mohammad and toldhim about it, and he admitted that
he had a knowledge of it,and that he'd given me a religious explanation

(57:45):
that would fit into prophecy and allof that. So I was quiet,
And it wasn't until October of nineteensixty three that it came up again.
And when it came up again,I realized that the same person who had
made these other sisters pregnant was stillbusy doing the same thing. He hadn't
stopped. Two of the sisters hadtwo children by the same man, and

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one of those two sisters was pregnantstill getting ready to have a third child
by the same man. So whenit was known among the Chicago officials that
I had a knowledge of this,they become very fearful of me. They
became very antagonistic towards me, andtried they had to do something to diminish
the authority that I had, forfear that if this became public knowledge,
the followers would leave the Muslim movementand follow me. And it was at

(58:29):
that time that they used the statementthat I made against President Kennedy as a
pretax to cut my authority, andsome other things happened that finally produced the
split or forced the split. Andwhen I made this split, the only
reason that I didn't make this publicknowledge was I knew the implications, and
I felt that if the Muslims whowere in the Nation of Islam knew it

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that Whilch enabled them to be sostrongly religious and exercise moral discipline, would
be shattered and it would cause allof them to go right back and start
doing the things that they had beendoing previously. Who is the so that
that part that may seem like aminor thing to you guys that haven't been

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in haven't been in the cart,or haven't been a part of religious institutions,
but I have actually seen it withmy own eyes. A brother that
was from the street had his lifechanged by religion, and the pastor of
this church that he was in waseither sleeping with his wife or just sleeping

(59:34):
around just period. And this brotherended up back on the street, back
on drugs, ended up dying notlong after that. So it can happen.
The father of all of these variouschildren whom you have enumerated, the
first one to tell me who thefather was was Wallace Muhammad, and he
told me that the father was ElinjeMuhammad himself. One of the sisters too.

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He went through the home of oneof the sisters and when he walked
in the door, she says,I want to let you see something,
and she showed him her child.She said, here's your brother, and
your father is the one. Yourfather is the father of this child.
And then I questioned the sisters myselfbecause I was shook up, and they
admitted to me that Elijah Muhammad wasthe father of their children. And I
took it to him, and itwas at that time he told me that

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he was Mohammed the prophet, andthat Muhammad had nine wives. He also
told me that he was David,he was the modern David, that he
was the modern Solomon, and thathe was meant. It was meant for
him to fulfill today all of thethings that they did back there, And
how many of these illegitimate children didhe father with the sisters, Well,
he made six sisters pregnant. Theyall had children. Two of those six

(01:00:45):
had two children. One of thosetwo is having a child right now.
I am told that there is aseventh sister who is supposed to be in
Mexico right now, and she's supposedto be having a child by him.
That's true. When you first separatefrom your wife, it's a physical separation,
but it's not psychological. You stillhave feelings for her and you protect

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her. But after the physical separationhas taken place for a while, it
becomes a psychological separation. It wasthe same way with me and the Muslim
movement. When I first separated,it was a physical separation, but my
feeling was still there. And itwas only after my trip into the Muslim
world and my pilgrimage to Mecca thatI really was able to exercise the objective

(01:01:28):
approach to it that enabled me tosee that something had to be done to
bring this to light, otherwise awhole lot of innocent people would be killed
needlessly. Well, these revelations thatyou are now making about Elijah Muhammad,
what effects should they have on hisfollowing. Well, I very much doubt
that any of his followers, whoreally are aware of what he has done

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would continue to follow him. Hemay try and justify it by saying that
he's a Maslim, a Muslim,and that a Muslim has a right to
these wives. If this were thecase, these sisters should not have been
humiliated. These sisters have been lookedupon for the past five years, or
six years or seven years as beingguilty of having committed fornication. They have

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been debased, they have been degraded. I have heard he, I have
heard him himself referred to them ashaving disgraced him. So if they were
his wives, he should have giventhem a position of respect, so that
all of his followers would respect themand that they would have the protection of
his followers today. That is suchan excellent point. And this goes back

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to why I always have to becausea lot of these people want that I
talk to in the nation of Islam, and they always calling me an Asian.
I must be the biggest Asian ever, because any time I confront them
with this evidence or even ask themwhat happened to the money from the million
man marches. It has been twomillion man marches now, But what happened
to the money from it? Orwhatever? I'll get called all these Connor

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agents. But if these women werewives, and Malcolm are already jumped on
this type of justifica. He alreadyknew what the bull crap was gonna be.
He said, if they were wives, and they should have been given
this type of and he never calledthem wives even after the fact. Even
excuse me, even after this,Elijah Muhammad never referred to these women as

(01:03:19):
lie as wives. That lie wassomething that was created in the cult of
Farakhan when he rebooted the Nation ofIslam after he left Wallace's movement and he
rebooted it, he kicked off thosethat that lie about these women being wives.
But Elijah never called them wilms.And even in fact Joseph said that

(01:03:45):
those women weren't wives. Even JohnR. Lee say that those those women
were never wild. So, Imean, as much as they are problematic
and disgusting to me, I'll saythat in that regard that least spokes truth.
Well, do you feel that youthen, perhaps now should take over
the leadership of the Black Muslims.No, I have no desire to take

(01:04:08):
over the leadership of the Black Muslims, and I have never had that desire.
But I do have this desire.I have a desire to see the
Afro American in this country get thehuman rights that are his due. I
believe that the Islam religion is thebest religion for our people because it creates
unity, and it gives one dignityand racial confidence and all of these things

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that are necessary to make a completehuman being. Are you not, perhaps
afraid of what might happen to youas a result of making these revelations?
Oh? Yes, I probably ama dead man already. Well, when
you understand the makeup of the Muslimmovement and the psychology of the Muslim movement,

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as long as any if I myself, by having confidence in the leader
of the Muslim movement, if someonecame to me and I had no knowledge
whatsoever of what had taken place,and they told me what I'm saying,
I would kill them myself. Theonly thing that would prevent me from killing
someone who made a statement like this, they would have to be able to

(01:05:11):
let me know that it's true.Now, if anyone had come to me
other than mister Muhammad's son. Inever would have believed it even enough to
look into it, but I hadbeen around him so closely. I had
seen indications of the reality of it, but my religious sincerity made me block
it out of my mind. Haveyou received threats on your life? Oh?
Yes, I first received fats onmy life in December. Rather no,

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yes in December. No, notin December, in January. So
this once again. So in January, he was still the member of the
Nation of Islam, still on suspension. That would have been the extension of
his suspension, but nothing. Hewould have said nothing about our lives.
To remember, he was already silenced. He was already silenced at that point,

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but he was still a member ofthe Nation of Islam, and so
he wasn't saying anything. He wasjust serving all his suspension or whatever.
Why would they be threatening to killthis man in January? So all of
you people out there to say,hey, if Malcolm wouldn't have said anything
about Elijah d guys. Before Malcolmsaid anything, when he was still under
Elijah Muhammad's gag order of not speakingfor ninety days, they were already trying

(01:06:28):
to kill him. Elijah Muhammad,guys, is on the side of evil
unrighteousness. The play was already ineffect to take this righteous man out.
And it may have been this ispure speculation. This is ahistorical, but
speculation on my part, and ifthe history proves it, then whatever.

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But it may have been like,hey, Elijah and family, y'all,
they did have a tax issue thatwas coming up in terms of their tax
status or whatever the case is.But when you're a religious organization, you
don't have to pay taxes. ButMalcolm moving in this political way could be
problematic. So some of them didhave tax issues. So it could be

(01:07:12):
like, hey, y'all get ridof Malcolm X, and we'll leave y'all
alone, you know what I mean, Like we all Masons here, we
all whatever, we all get ridof Malcolm X and this radical stuff he's
got going talking about black people's hearingrights and people sharing and blasi bla.
Get rid of this brother and whatever. Now that's that's ahistorical, I will

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say. I don't know for sure, but the way that it was carried
out to me and the nation's fervorfor getting rid of this man, even
before he had left or said anythingabout anything, was either a contract or
simply because he knew all of thisstuff that it seemed like malcol might have
known even more problematic stuff than it, maybe even more details than was set

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here now. Most of the timepeople were just like, yeah, he
was sleeping around with these young secretaries. But mind you hear Malcolm is saying
teenage secretaries. So this thing isdeeper than what we generally think, because
we're talking about some heavier stuff herethan just somebody sleeping around on their wife.
We got somebody sleeping around on theirwife with underage girls. When it

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first became noon that I had cameback to come back to New York and
told the Captain of the Fruit inNew York, who was my right hand
man formerly and also the secretary ofthe New York Mosque, and the Minister
in Boston. When it became knownthat I had told them, I never
was made to shut me up.One brother encouraged to go out to my

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house and shut me up, Andfortunately it was a brother who was well
capable of doing so. But itwas a brother who was highly intelligent.
He was academically equipped to think forhimself, and what he was told to
do didn't add up. Unfortunately,He was the one who put out a
feeler to me to find out whatwas wrong. And I opened his eyes,

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and then he opened the eyes ofthe same crew whose job it is
to do this kind of work.You mean he was going to kill you?
Oh, yes, one of themwas. An attempt was made to
get one of them to wire mycar with an explosive. That one is
with me right now. Well,fortunately, so that is amazing to me
right where. And this just kindof shows you the power of a Malcolm

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X and not only the charisma,but the righteousness of this man, Like
you hire a team to kill thisman, and the same members of that
hit team did you hire to killthis man? They end up joining this
man and becoming a part of hisfollowing. Tell me that's not messionic.

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That is very much messyonic. WhileI was among the Muslims, I never
lived beyond my means, and Ihave learned how to live within means.
And I still have the clothes thatI that was provided for me at that
time. I'm in the house thatwas provided for me. Although we're in
a court battle, they're trying toget it back, and I have made
this statement to them concerning the house, that they could have it if they

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would take me back, that theywould permit me to come before the Muslim
movement, the rank and file andexplain or defend myself against all of the
charges that they've made against me.They could have the house, but they
are going contrary to their own lawsby standing up in the mosque and indicting
me, but never giving me achance to defend myself. And they say

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that no one can judge me butmister Muhammad. In this case, mister
Muhammad can't sit as judge because he'sinvolved in the case. Elijah Muhammad says,
of the Muslims, we carry noarms, and we do not seek
to win victory with arms. Wedo nothing to others that we would not
have done unto us. The twobrothers were sent after to me with revolvers

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by Joseph, the captain of theFruit in New York. They were armed
when a Muslim is attacked, andyou'll find this to be the pattern when
the Muslims were attacked in Monroe,Louisiana. Elijah Muhammad gave no signal to

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anybody across the nation to come tothe defense of their brothers. When our
brothers were attacked in Los Angeles.Again, Elijah Muhammad gave no signal to
anybody to come to the defense ofthose brothers. Never have the Muslims anywhere
in the country gotten any kind ofinstruction from the National Office or headquarters on

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how to defend themselves when they areattacked by outsiders. The only times the
Muslims have ever been given any instructionsto commit violence is when that violence is
directed against the fellow Muslims. Hisfollowers are violent against negroes, against Negro.
Yes, his followers will go outand attack another Negro like they will

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attack me, or they will brutalizefellow Muslim who breaks the law. But
you don't find those same followers goingout and becoming involved in the Negro struggle
in any way and whatsoever. Now, the violence that he accuses me of
is my tendency to want to participatein the struggle of the Negro at all

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levels. This is what he callsviolence. One question before we go further
with that, has Wallace Muhammad leftthe Black Muslims. Wallace Muhammad was put
out of the Muslim movement right alongwith me. As far as you're concerned,
you will accept the fealty if youwill, of any Negro anywhere under
any conditions. Now you notice Malcolmwas willing and definitely taking into account everything

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that Malcolm was saying, like they'renot willing to get violent with anybody else
besides black people, etc. Allof that still stands today. Everything Malcolm
is speaking all facts here. Theother thing to take into account is they
didn't need to even go to thecourt battle for this house. They saying
that Malcolm ran to the white manby Malcolm revealing all of this to wireless

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Mike Wallace. But what they aren'ttalking about is that Malcolm say, look
y'all could keep the house. Let'sjust give me my let's just give me
a trial, unless let's just talkabout whatever. But they don't want to
do that because they know, ofcourse that Elijah Muhammad would be fully exposed
during this process. You have todefine failty well, you won't want them

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to give you their loyalty, notme their loyalty. I'm not seeking for
the loyalty of any negro, buti am seeking that negroes, for negroes
to learn how to be loyal tothemselves. When the negro learns how to
be loyal to himself. Our problemis pretty well solved. Mister Malcolm.
You have suggested that there are areall kinds of movements in Harlem growing that

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you and I don't know about.Oh yes, frustration itself has been sufficient
all that was necessary to make Negroesrealize the importance of banning together. And
Negroes are banning together, banding together? And what kind of movements? Different
kinds of movements, all kinds ofmovements. And they remain almost invisible,

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They remain almost unknown, but yetthey are there. When I say invisible,
I mean invisible in the sense thattheir existence is unknown, and no
matter how much you try and trackthem down, you can't find them,
and never try and find them throughthe Negro leaders. The Negro leaders are
famous as apologists. If you recall, one of the most famous Negro leaders
in nineteen fifty nine was asked byyou about the Black Muslim movement, and

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he said he knew nothing about it, And the next moment you flashed the
picture on the screen with him shakinghands with me. So, if you
will recall, so, this istheir policy, this is their attitude or
their reaction. They never know what'sgoing on. In the Negro community,
and what form will the activities ofthese various so called invisible movies. Let's
take this summer an example, CommissionerMurphy. Almost every statement that Commissioner Murphy

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makes would give you the impression thathe's encouraging the police rank and file,
police touches anything else. Instead ofbeing so worried about what the negro is
going to do, the government shouldstop dragging its feet and take the initiative
necessary to eliminate the injustices that frustrateNegroes and drive them into a method of

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defense such as this. You've said, Minister Malcolm, you have to expect
the negroes to rise up sooner orlater. Oh yes, what does that
mean, Well, just the samething that it meant in South Vietnam and
these other places where you find oppressedpeople. Sooner or later they rise up
against the oppressor. When the allright, so very very deep segment there.

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I'm gonna just wrap that part upthere. I thank y'all so much
for listening, brothers and sisters.It's definitely a privilege. Just so many
of y'all stay on and listen tome through these long podcasts. I doubt
it hanging on for the last part, but I'm glad that I played that

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last clip, so I felt likethat was some beneficial of it and something
beneficial from it. And after severalhours of watching that Michael X movie,
it's a relief to hear the realmichaelm x's voice and to see the real
Michael X person. So that's gonnabe it. Brothers and sisters for the
day. I thank you so muchfor listening. Feel free to contact me,

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write me anytime, ask me questions, et cetera, relieve comments,
whatever, And until the next episodeof the Gospel of Michael X podcast,
peace, he