EP117: Ultimate Path to Freedom with Elizabeth’s Healing Power

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Welcome to the Heal Thrive dream podcast, where trauma survivors become healthy thrivers.
Each month will feature a theme inthe trauma, recovery and empowerment field to
promote your recovery, healing and learninghow to build dreams. Here's your host,
Karen Robinson, transformational coach and therapist. Hi, Welcome to the Heel

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for I Dreams podcast. Today,I have a super amazing guest, and
I can say that because I've talkedfor a few times now. I am
interviewing Elizabeth Tip today. Elizabeth isa stress management and historical trauma specialist who

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uses trauma and straint and yoga informedaddiction, recovery coaching, ancestral clearing,
compassionate inquiry, and yoga to helppeople with their healing. Elizabeth, healed
from over forty years of chronic pain, anxiety, variety, panic, tax

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and addiction. See now guides othersto unleash their healing power, find freedom
from suffering, and live a thrivinglife. Elizabeth is the best selling author
of the Way through Chronic Pain Coolto Reclaim Your Healing Power. Elizabeth,
Welcome to the show. Well,thank you so much, Karen. I

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appreciate that beautiful introduction and it's greatto see you. Likewise, anything to
your bio that you would like toadd, it's a great bio by the
way, it's very succinct and clear. Anything you want to add off the
cuff. I would like to saythat I'm a guide to helping people unleash
their healing power. That, yeah, that's that's like, especially in the

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the trauma space, we are soprotective defending our you know, safety or
the best we can that we're almostblocking our healing right because we're contracted.
So that's what anybody in the traumaspace does. That's just the language that

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I use. We help guide peopleto unleash their own healing power. Yeah,
I think that that word is beautiful. I recently changed my Facebook covered
or I'm holding this book, andI wrote this is me reading all the
books trying to find all the answerswhen they're already in me. That's a

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good car and our healing is alreadyin us. And I love the fact
that you helped filitate people see thatand experience it. I also love like
recently we had a chat that bothof us have never met or treated or
worked with someone with addictions that didnot have some sort of trauma. Can

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you say a little bit more aboutthat, sure, I just refer back
to Gabrimante, which as who asked, don't ask why? They didn't ask
why? The pit chronity just forthe audience, is any pain that's physical,
mental, emotional, spiritual, financial, any pain that's felt fifteen days

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for three months or more. So, grief is a chronic pain experience.
The brain can't tell the difference betweena broken bone and a broken heart.
So there's all kinds of things,you know, our attachment wounds that we
have this need to be when ourneeds don't get met. As as a

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youngster, that disconnects us from fromour authentic self because we would rather be
attached, no authentic we I mean, it's not like we think about that
as children, but we're going togo for attachment just for our own safety,
for our survival, rather than ourown authentic We're not going to put

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our authenticity. We'll put that tothe side, right, And that creates
a chronic pain situation because we're notactually we're denying our own true nature.
I hope that made sense. Yeah, So yeah, So people that are

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that are in have addictive behaviors,and nowadays, I mean I think we
all have some kind of addiction.When we think of addiction, it's not
just it's not just drugs and alcohol. It's drugs, alcohol, technology,
food, people there's another one.Uh yeah, well kind of people would

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be another one. Yet that's whatwould fall into people and and uh and
then there's like nation self self doubt, Ah was it right? Judgment?
These kinds of things are are that'sthat's super negative and chronicing the the mind

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that are more negative. We're alreadya little bit negative and normal and a
healthy brain just to keep ourselves safein the world. When something new comes
in, our kind of first reactionis no, which is really a survival
thing that in chronic pain, thethe the mechanisms in the brain gets changed,

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especially in the emotional part. Webrain fog and we can't think straight.
We can't remember what we just did, like we're gonna just put my
keys, I know, I putthem somewhere, that kind of thing.
But the the emotional part gets changed, so that are we become much more
negative. So it's all your fault, It's all my fault. The world

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is you know, there's all kindsof the mind just comes in with all
kinds of negativity, which is alsoyou know, when you've got unresolved trauma
in the system, it just feedson itself. So those are some anybody
who's who's had chronic pain, whichis somebody sitting with unresolved trauma, will

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recognize those symptoms. Yeah, that'swhat we have to deal with, that
negative thinking. Yeah, I'm reallyglad that you're talking so openly about emotional
pain being part of the chronic paincycle. There's a lot of survivors.
I think they feel crazy when they, you know, say how much pain

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they're in. The doctors like,no, there's nothing wrong with you.
No, that's not mental health.Well, mental health impacts are physical health
and spiritual health. It's all interconnected, right, So I'm really glad that
I think it validates people who arereally suffering. Yeah, of course everything

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hurts. Yeah. Well, thean integrated the integated model, which is
more and more doctors Western doctors becomingintegrated and recognizing the you can't separate mind,
body from spirit. The Eastern medicalmodels all recognize that, but the

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like are U Vita and traditional Chinesemedicine they recognize that, but Western medicine
is kind of just getting to that. So when I sit in front of
a doctor, which I did foryears, but I have the side background,
so I had I had a littlebit of an edge just in terms

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of kind of understanding a little bitwhere they were coming from. And a
doctor says to me, it's allin your head. My answer to that
is, yes, that's where therain process is pain AWESO. They couldn't

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get away with that with me.And the other thing is another way to
look at someone who says that,because I think it's it's it's harmful,
remember, and I think when someonesays it's all in your head, there's
something wrong with you. Those twothings don't equate. If there is something

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that's a mental and there's nothing wrongwith you, those don't even make sense.
That statement it right. I mean, I'm not sure I would say
there's an imbalance. This is right. Wrong thing is also a nomenclature that's
difficult. It's it's really not it'snot clear, and it makes people feel

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like there's that they're wrong, andit brings shame into the thing, and
that's not healing. So it's likethere's an imbalance somewhere we can't identify it
would be more would be more honest, really more more accurate. And also

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if I'm very clear about the lensthat the doctor, the healer, doesn't
matter, therapist, whatever the lensthey're looking because we're all we all have
a scope of practice and we allhave a perspective and an orientation. It's
telling us about being the limits ofthe model that they're working under. And

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so when I sit in front ofit any healer, and I think this
is really important for people to understandbecause I had to go through this transformation
myself. First of all, Ihave to understand that they do have a
scope of practice and there are boundarieswithin that that they You can ask them
questions within it, but don't askthem questions without outside of that right because

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they won't be able to answer it. So understanding that they have a scope
of practice, and also what aremy expectations of that person that's in the
heal space. Are my expectations inalignment with their scope of practice? So
that I don't walk in as apatient who needs something and a walk out

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not having my needs met because Ihad an expectation that's outside of their scope
of practice. Yeah, this isimportant. Yeah, So you can't go
to a you can't go to anorthopedic doctor or a surgeon, an orthopedic
surgeon and ask them about nutrition becausethey're not going to be able. And

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I have done that. They're notthat's not literally, I have done that,
and there is I've worked with alot of doctors professionally and personally,
and it's really not a big partof our medical school training to begin with.
And do you think about Yeah,exactly, an orthopedic surgeon is is

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going to cut and he knows aboutthe surgery and send you to a physical
therapist to help you rehab from that. But he's not going to take you
through that physical therapy that rehab person, will you see. So everybody's got
a scope of practice. Yeah,yeah, I think that's great. Find
Yeah, I think I don't knowhow to articulate this exactly. But my

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experience with my and is, like, you know, they get compuwed by
the doctor that there's nothing wrong withyou, or in the case of my
mom, my perspective is we don'tknow what's wrong with you. You're complaining
of paint. Here's some obrioids.You know, in forty years of it,

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it feels like a big part ofthe trauma story, you know,
because it did even more damage toher medical and physical well physical and mental.
Well have you seen that a lottoo in your practice, survivors getting
addicted to opioids or other meds.Oh, sure, I work with I
help people. I'm a really I'mnot a therapist or a doctor that helps

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with the toxing. But I'm agreat coach in that space because I've been
through it, and I was onopiates and bits of dazapines for thirty one
years and it created, as yousay, it created more than itsvolved.
And here was the thing that wasAgain I'm going to heart back to this
thing about scope or practice because it'sso important. The doctors in my case,

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which very similar to your mom,it's like we they knew, they
they thought they knew what was wrongwith me. I had an indistability on
back instability in my back. ByWe had surgery on but the pain never
went away, and they within theirpractice they didn't understand why. But they
didn't understand the nature of chronic howto heal it. I had to actually

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find a doctor who specialized in that. So their answer was, here are
your opiates and your benzodzodazepines and addinganxiety medicine because you're not going to get
better. They just made this assumptionthat I wasn't going to heal from chronic

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pain. So and I remember whenthey gave me that prognosis. I was
about two years into this problem andthem into the surgery, but the thirty
one years of that medication, andthey said, you're not going to get
better, and this is the bestwe got. And I was very upset

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to hear that, and I didn'tlike that trajectory that they decided that I
was because of my science background,I realized they were operating in this model
of healing and it has limits.And then the science and that's within science,
and science can only can only commenton that which you can observe,

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measure and describe. But we livein the all that is not just in
the part that science can measure.And I knew I'd have to look outside
of that if this was what medicinecould give me, and I went all
over. I tried things from allover the world to heal me, and
I finally found a doctor who wasintegrated in Eastern and Western medicine models and

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really understood the brain and the waychronic pain operates in the brain, and
so he brought in healing modalities toheal the changes that happen in the brain
because of the chronic pain, andopiates and benzodiazapines do not heal those changes.
So then we have suffering. Andyour mother suffered, and I suffered.

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Lots of people suffer. I thinkthere's more more doctors that are coming
in nowadays that are integrated and understandthis thing happening in the brain and how
to shift that. But it's it'sit's it's it's very sad how common it
is. Yeah, yeah, thisisn't a great segue, but I definitely

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want us to focus on this andthat short time to get together. Is
there? Do you have a segueon this what we're talking about now and
transgenerational trunk? Oh? Sure,well some of the some of the that's
great. Yeah, so some ofthe It was interesting when I went into

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I went into a pain management programto detox off the medication and to actually,
you know, see if I couldreset my stress response, which is
another thing that happens to chronic pain. Our stress response which is supposed to
kind of go on when stressed andthen off when where Coons gets stuck in
the on position so way and balancesall the time. We're not built for
that at all. It's very kindof corrosive to the to the to the

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mind, body spirit system. Andwhile I was there, one of the
things that we that one of thepeople that was there was John Newton,
who was a wellness practitioner and anancestor clearing practitioner, and he brought that
in as a as as a modalityand I learned, now I knew something

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about some of my family history andI but I knew I was carrying the
burden. I just know what todo it do it. I knew I
was carrying it, but I didn'tknow like nobody talked about it. And
I was like, this is mylife, I think. And he brought
this process in and uh, andit was very helpful and it and I

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could feel a lightning and so didI could see the whole everybody in the
room. There were twenty people inthe in this in this program, and
everybody was getting relief from their painas a result of this, which was
which is interesting. Now we don'tsay in ancestral clearing, we don't say
we heal anything, but we dosee results. We see certain results,

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and I get really curious about that, and so I uh started looking into
that from the kind of the science. And and that's really an epigenetic change,
which is environmental change that we whichis why we can heal. We're
shifting actually shifting the on off switchesin within the the DNA part of us.

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If you think about DNA two ways, hardware and software, like in
computeries, and the hardware is likeyou know, eye color, skin color,
hair color, things like that thatthey're they're kind of unchangeable, and
everything else is the softwaring. Sothe computer the itself is the hardwiring.

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But the software, the programs thatyou put into the computer, that's the
software. And that's and it dependson the computers working in as to what
programs are on it. And that'sepigenetics. That what's happening in with the
environment, how's the organized person interactingwith their environment. Well, those things
get passed down. Uh, thoseexperiences get passed down both as benefits and

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as burdens. So ancestral clearing.It's not the only one, but it's
one way. Yoga can do thistoo, helps us release the burdens of
these old unresolved uh effects of intergenerationaltrauma in the system. Uh something stand
Like a couple of examples would belike worry energy. I mean, we

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do have mirror neurons, and wetend to mirror people, you know,
as we grow up. But butwhen my grandmother and my mother and my
aunt and my everyone kind of inhas this, has this behavior and then
the tray us about their their motherand grandmother, then then you've got to
then you've got all right, sowe cattern here. Yeah, so we

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come in with the energy the frequencyof the information that that are that our
lineage has been experiencing. And someof those again some of that is some
of that is our gifts like resiliencyand disease resistance and things like that and
and other things are are burdens fromunresolved TRAUMPA. So that's that's the connection.

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And those things can because it providesit kind of points us in a
direction on a trajectory in life.The influences of those that can can create
chronic pain by itself. If Ihave a year of worry and I'm just
I'm just worried all the time.Well, actually called chronic stress, and

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that's a stress response stuck in theon position, and that's a nervous system
that's now got a habit and it'swhere in your body if you need to
ever arouse like that all the time. Yeah, So that's that's an example
of how transgenerational trauma can end upin this in this time here, just

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that that's in there, and Icould we could sit here for another thirty
minutes that I can roll off abunch of other examples. But that's that's
the answer to your question. Yeah, And for those of you listening in
the new year. January twenty twentyfour, Elizabeth is our presenter at the

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Finding Freedom after Trauma's Summit and she'sexpert on friends generational trauma healing, the
ancestral clearing. This is about allkinds of certification and coaching credentials. We'll
be talking about that. So therewill be a link to register below.
And it was after January. Youcan still get in contact with us to

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get the replayback age so you cankind of hear her training but also,
Elizabeth, if you could share yourwebsite and some of the things that you
offer your clients, so the guestslistening know that they feel like a connection
with you and how to get ahold of you too. Sure, thank
you. Yes, you can allfind me on my website, which is

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Elizabeth with a hyphen Kip dot comKipp like peterpan dot com. You have
to put a hyphen between my firstand last name, otherwise you'll get the
websiginer and photographer Elizabeth Kip, Sothat's not me. So Elizabeth with a
hyphenkip dot com. I offer.I really in the in the trauma healing

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spaces. As we talked about chronicpain, I'm I'm I'm really good at
the chronic pain piece of it.I've been in that space for so long,
you know, forty years of it. You can't kind of come to
me with a block I haven't alreadyseen or dealt with myself, like move

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through myself. So I'm really goodat kind of spotting blocks and and helping
helping you to release that and kindof get past that. I'm great at
that. I offer ancestral clearing.Of course, she released the burdens of
the of the past, whether it'sin the lineage or in this lifetime.
And I teach trauma informed yoga aswell well teach yoga. I'm I'm,

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I can teach meditation of any kindof yoga of any kind. But I'm
really really in this space because ofthe chronic pain and the trauma, I
really fut to yoga, so Iteach that as well. So you can.
You know, you can book asession. You can book an introductory
session with me for free, oryou can book a twenty five or fifty
minute session. It's all up onthe website. There's plenty of free resources

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on the website and lots of freeinformation. Be glad to get in touch
with you. Yes, so awesome. Also, before we wrapped up,
I want you to talk about yourbook for a couple of minutes too.
Sure to promote your book here alittle bit. Thank you. So the
way through Chronic Pain Tools to Reclaimyour Healing Power is actually the companion to

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the book With Pain and Innovative MyBody Approach by doctor Peter Prescott, who
was the doctor that took me.He was the that detox me and really
helped guide me into my own healing. He wrote a great book. He
passed away in twenty sixteen, buthe wrote this list, this beautiful book,
and it's a little more toury,and he's got beautiful exercises at the

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end of the book that I myself, So they're wonderful. And then I
wrote this, which is more likethe voice of a chronic pain sufferer,
like what has happening inside of thehead, so that doctors, nurses,
healthcare practitioners, family members, andchronic pain sufferers can really understand kind of

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what's happening in the mind. AndI don't think there's a book quite like
this. It's not a very bigbook. It's kind of a short book
that it speaks to that and thetools that we use to help shift the
mind and the perspective on pain sothat we may still feel pain, but

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it doesn't break us out so much. It's not like bad. It's just
information in the system. But toget from pain is bad. I want
to get reformation in the system.What is it showing me, What is
it helping trying to teach me?That takes work. That book shows that.
Yeah, so in chronic pain,we don't tell the truth. Yeah,

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we're either quiet and we don't sayanything, or we complain all the
time, and neither one of thoseis the truth. So I just fell
both of those ways in my family. Yeah, and I've been both of
those people. I have both ofthose people. So this is this is

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anyway. So that's about my book. Yeah, yeah, thank you.
I have not read it yet.I would love to do that. It
looks really powerful. We haven't,so I just want to mention. We
have the it's in paper back andI'm I'm it's now under projection audible.
So I'm really excited that I'll becoming out this year, probably probably in

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the first half of the year.We'll have that out. Excited, So
thanks so awesome. Oh. Ialso wanted to mention too, like how
I met you is Lura DeFranco isa healing writing publisher. I'm sure I
did it that the best way,but she introduced us, and I noticed

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that you're part of her writing circleand you're doing a training for ers.
Could you just say things about that? Yeah? Sure, Yeah, it's
the it's a it's actually a journalingfor trauma recovery. Is the the segment
of teaching. It's so exciting tome. To be able to bring this

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in because writing for me has allowedme to hear parts of me that I
didn't even know. We're in there. It's a beautifully healing space, and
I like to bring them to thetable. Is because people want to be

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very nervous about writing. Is kindof ways to calm and ease. Find
calm and ease in the writing spaceand relaxation so that you can just let
kind of things flow, and sothat that that that segment in the in

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the Writer's Circle will be journaling fortrauma recovery will be about, you know,
how do you find a safe placewithin the writing world so that you
write whatever is on your heart.It's I was sold when I saw that
I'm actually joining the circle today.I tried the other day and there was
a little weird thing with the link. So I'm gonna do it again today.

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I want to come to your thing, but I'm gonna be traveling to
the replay. But it's awesome.I was so really, I can't tell
you how excited I was. Ohmy love, all the things I love
and when when teaching, so notall the things, but you know what
I'm saying. I was excited.I do believe journaling is extreme healing.
I love how it taps into hersubconscious, you know, and like the

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find all kinds of surprises that canbe healing when we do that. That's
beautiful. Yeah, and a plugout for Laura DiFranco because she's a ghost
sponsor of the summit that we're doing, so I'm super appreciative of her and
for helping survivors have a voice throughwriting. Yeah, it's really Brave Healer

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Appictions. She's she's got a beautifulcommunity, Grave Healers Production. Yeah,
yes, Brave Healer Productions. Thankyou for saying that I was spacing out
a little bit today. Not enoughcoffee yet, No worries in any final
words of wisdom, Well, I'dlike to say that I want people to

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you know, one thing I'd likehere to remember from this podcast is that
the greatest healer lives within you.Doctors, therapists, coaches, all of
us. We can guide you andand and point you to the kind of
what are the optimal one of thethings that can help you optimize your healing.

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But the healing, that wisdom isinside of you. It's not in
the doctor or the therapist. Somake sure that we kind of remember that
that we're oriented in the direction andso that we begin then to that helped
me be really tap into my selfcare and kind of understand, oh,

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it's happened here, it's not forthat, right, which is another thing
we do in addiction chronic pain,reaching out there and it's in here,
So that that would be the thingI want people to remember the most.
Yeah, but I think for somepeople, not everyone, to connect that
to knowing that that's your higher powergoing is loose within you. And so

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like once I learned that, Ithink I've always well, always known it
to some sense because I was bornlike this little old lady. When I
was a baby, it was alwaysan old lady, and so I think
I've always known. But when Iknew new that was life changing too.
It's like, oh, I don'thave to search and search and search,

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it's all here. I just haveto be quiet, which the learnest thing
in the world when you're a survivorand the anxiety and arousals going, but
learning to be quiet. And sothat's why that yoga in the medical works
and the energy work is so importantto get quiet. Yeah, that's why

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I bring in a breath meditation practice. Three different little breath practice for people
to help them regulate, calm thenervous system and uh and for the for
the summit. So and I loveteaching that because it's so effective. Yeah.
Yeah, we are very fortunate thatI'm black us that you're coming to

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speak, So thank you, thankyou. All right, Well, thanks
Elizabeth for being on our show today. We appreciate having you so much.
It was a beautiful discussion. Well, thank you, Karen. It's well,
it's great to see you and I'mso grateful that you have this platform.

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Thank you for listening in today.Please join us next week, same
day and time. Also, Iwould love for you to check out my
website heel Thrive dream dot com.Eight

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