January 17, 2025 • 31 mins
HEATHER ECK is a multimedia abstract artist and writer. An intuitive artist and painter, Heather interprets people, places, and experiences through color, a condition known as synesthesia. Like an enormous box of crayons, her gift operates by categorizing through intricate but specific shades of color. While this condition enables her to experience color, she responds to these encounters with people, things, emotions, and spaces by understanding the particular shade of experience that a person dwells in. She uses her gift to detect the most healing color for them to remedy their wounds. Guided by the chakra system and inspired by spirituality and the mysteries of the universe, Heather transforms these vibrant energies into captivating paintings that uplift and inspire and ultimately, heal.
Each canvas becomes a symphony of color and emotion, a visual representation of the unseen connections that weave through our lives. Heather's work is more than art; it's a medium of healing, a testament to the profound influence of color on our well-being.
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Each canvas becomes a symphony of color and emotion, a visual representation of the unseen connections that weave through our lives. Heather's work is more than art; it's a medium of healing, a testament to the profound influence of color on our well-being.
Spirit Portraits: a custom painting experience where I create a painting based on what colors I see around you, and a Zoom session where I share what I see and what the painting means for you!
Website: www.heathereckstudios.com, www.heathereck.com
Gift for listeners: https://heathereck.com/thankyou
Save 25% on a SPIRIT PORTRAIT with code: PODCAST
Join our supportive group community:
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Heel Thrived Dream Podcast, where trauma survivors
become healthy thrivers. Each month will feature a theme in
the trauma recovery and empowerment field to promote your recovery,
healing and learning how to build dreams. Here's your host,
Karen Robinson, transformational coach and therapist.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hi, Welcome to the Heel Thrived Dream Podcast. Thank you
for being here today. Our guest is Heather. Heather is
a multimedia abstruct artist and writer. An intuitive artist and painter,
Heather interprets people, places, and experiences through color, a condition
(00:47):
known as synthesia. Like in the enarm box of crayons.
Her gift operates by categorizing through intricate specific shades of color.
While this can enables her to experience color, she responds
to these encounters with people, things, emotions, and spaces by
(01:10):
understanding the particular shade of experience that a person dwells
the She uses her gift to detect the most healing
color for them to remedy their wounds. Guided by the
chakra system and inspirit, inspired by spirituality and the mysteries
of the universe, how the transforms these vibrant energies into
(01:31):
captivading paintings that uplift, inspire, and ultimately heal. That'spressive little
bio there, Heather. Thank you for being here, Thank you
for having me. I appreciate it. That's the first time
I've read a bio like that, So of course I
want to start off with the how do I say
(01:53):
this word again? The synthesis? Say it one more time?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Synesthesia?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Okay, you got to tell us more about that, because
this is the first time I'm hearing about it.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
It's not very well like widely. Synesthesia is something that
happens when your brain takes in information and then crosses it.
So when I take in a smell, a scent, a taste,
a word, or music, my brain senses sort of get crossed,
and in my mind's eye, I see it as a color,
(02:26):
as a shape. When I listen to music, I see
choreography in my brain. So it's a condition that happens.
Only about four percent of the population have something like it.
There are over eighty different kinds of synesthesia, like sound
to color synesthesia. There's days of the week synesthesia. There's
all different kinds of ways that people take in information.
(02:49):
And then process it through another sense.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's so cool. When did you first realize that you
had this kind of gift?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So I think I grew up all along thinking that
everybody did this, that everybody had it. You know, when
I was a little kid, I would sit in my
room and listen to music and draw when I saw
the music as or you know, driving down the road
listening to MUK in my parents' car and seeing colors
and shapes and dancers in my mind. And it really
(03:21):
wasn't until the last year that I discovered what it
was through another artist who said, you know, I have synthesiesia.
I have sound of color. It's called chrome a sesia.
I think sound of color synthesia. So when she hears music,
she paints what she sees. And I kind of thought,
wait a minute, I feel like I do that too.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And then started to dig into it and endeavored that
I have many forms of it, and I've been using
it my whole life.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I just didn't know what it was called.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And no one in your circle, your parents, your teachers
and that of them creed on to this.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
No, no, And you know what, I I was a
really quiet shy kid. So I don't think I ever
even told anybody about it. It was just kind of
something that I experienced and just assumed that everybody did,
just assumed that wild.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That is so wild to me.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Do you well the other artists that you were talking about,
she also someone who was a quiet kid. Do you
know her story about I.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Know a little bit of her story. Her name is
Sarah Kranik, and I think she sort of I think
she sort of tried to talk about it, and I
don't know that it was shut down or it just
wasn't really like explored, and so she sort of kind
of shut it down a little bit and then came
back into it as she got older too. I think
it's one of those things that a lot of creatives experienced,
(04:49):
musicians and artists and and so you know a lot
of times we shut those gifts down early on too,
and so you know it not you know, it wasn't
until I was close to my forties that I started
to kind of explore art again, and that's when it
kind of started to billow out a bit more.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, I asked the question about the quiet child because
under if that's something common with healers in general or
people that are really intuitive, is my gas is that
they tend to be a little more on the quiet
side because it's a lot to take in. It's a
lot to take in. And I definitely was described as
(05:30):
a quiet child a lot of my life and then
I ended up being an introvert fifty extrovert fifty percent
the ambivert type of things. I think I can weave
in and out, but the quiet part of me is
very intuitive and very healing. H it's interesting. Okay, so
(05:54):
you or a late bloomer with your talent then very
much meaning late blue murmaning leaning into it. It was there,
leaning into it, and I love your for people on
YouTube we can see all your paints in the background. Yeah,
I love that. So you're really leaning in, really leaning in.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
My spiritual teacher, she says that a lot of times
our gifts show up when we're kids, that the things
that we're naturally drawn to or that we are really
interested in, there's a curiosity there that that's really where
our gifts lie.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's really where.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Our you know, our purpose and our interests are. And
a lot of times as kids we sort of intuitively
are drawn to certain things because that's that's part of
our story, it's part of our path. And then as
we get older, we sort of shut it down or
we set about on different paths to explore different things.
And then a lot of us sort of experience this
(06:55):
either a breakdown or a breakthrough, and we're like, I
need to do something different, And that was that's sort
of what it was for me. I was I was
really in, you know, had a great job, had a
very lucrative career as an HR manager, and then you know,
started to just feel super tired and I just couldn't
(07:16):
muster the energy to get up each day and drive
to the office to do HR work. It just wasn't
fulfilling anymore. And then kind of said, okay, well, let's
talk about what I was interested in as a kid,
what what? And for me, it was always color, drawing, painting, art.
It was like that those things existed around me as
(07:38):
a little kid, and then came sort of trickling back
in as I got older. And so I was thirty
eight thirty nine when I started painting again, and I've
been doing that now for the last five or six years,
so it really really was a late bloomer.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
If you you know, when it.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Comes to like actually acknowledging what had sort of been around.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Me the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, does this mean you no longer do HR work?
Are you a time artist now full time artist? Awesome?
Are you a starving artist? Or has it become a
stable career for you?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Between, it's sort of in between. I think it's one
of those things where you know, you're I'm still trying
to kind of figure out what does life look like.
I spent twenty five years in corporate HR and so
I've only spent five or six years on this full
time artist role.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So I still feel like.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I'm in kindergarten when it comes to owning and operating
an art business.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, I do have a client who's made this pivot
and she's only a few months into it, and she's
so frustrated that she's you know, not you know, a
highly successful artist at this point. I'm like, well, wait
a minute, it's still a new endeavor for you. We're
working full time with the government just so a short
(09:03):
period ago. So yeah, it does take time, especially being
an entrepreneur and all the things that comes with that.
It sounds a lot easier than what it actually is.
Is my experience. I think I'm fairly new too being
an entrepreneur. I was working for the government for seventeen
years and then I've been a therapist for twenty five.
(09:27):
A lot of it was with companies and agencies or
the government. So being on my own it's been different.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, it's not a faint part.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
There's a lot to the day to day.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, but one of my favorite parts is having my
own schedule. Are you enjoying that piece?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I do enjoy that piece. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Like I think that that freedom that it offers is
really sort of for a sensitive spirit, you know. I
think growing up so much you have to be here
at eight, you can't leave until five, it feels so restrictive.
And what I'm learning about myself as I get older
and as I just kind of listen to my intuition
(10:11):
more as I sort of moved through life, is that
the things that make me feel restrictive or tight are
not for me.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But the things that.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Make me feel a bit more open and free are
where I really want to be. Those are the things
that I try. I try to follow that feeling, but
that makes me feel the most cared for I think
as a spiritual person being a human.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I know we've talked about before recording. We talked
about a couple of things. I want to update the
body ince on is Heather is not a She doesn't
identify as a trauma survivor, but does identify as someone
who can be a healer, you know, through her our work,
her poetry, and just her nature intuit just intuitive learning
(11:03):
and with the chakras, so people can be very healing
as well. Why did you get involved in the chakra
system or is that part of your your gift as well?
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, for sure, Spirituality, the chakras, all of that was
very interesting to me throughout my childhood. You know, in
age years, I was that kind of my parents that
I was born in the wrong time I was. I
probably should have been like a flower child, you know,
in the sixties or something.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I was really into into that. Cutting it was.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
It was probably as soon as I started to notice
that I was able to see color around people and
intuitively see people through color, that I instantly connected the
color that I saw to the chakra system. And that
tells me a lot about sort of where people are
dwelling in their bodies, and because the chakras are associated
(11:55):
with the physical, spiritual, or emotional energy centers of the body,
that gave me a lot of activity points. And I
kind of said, oh, well, I see green around you,
and so greens about the heart, So let's look at that.
Let's talk about the heart. You know, what color do
I see and what's it telling me about you?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
There?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So that was kind of an interesting connector. Other Sinistites
and people who have synesthesia don't associate color that way,
so they just kind of see the color and then
they're like, Okay, well that's green. But for me, I
associate it with the spiritual side of things because I
believe that everything hasening. I think everything has, you know,
some sort of function or purpose in there. And so
(12:35):
that's sort of how it came together.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Very cool. You know, this might be on the spot
we talked about. This is the Organic show, So I
don't preplan my question. So anything I ask you that
feels uncomfortable or not something you want to do, just
just say that it's okay, sure, I want to be flexible,
but are you comfortable saying what color you're seeing? With
me talking with you. Yeah, sure, comfortable if you were.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, absolutely So I sort of see you in like
a yellow green color. So yellow is associated with the
sacral I'm sorry, the solar plexus chakra, which is sort
of right around our belly button, and green is associated
with the heart. So for me, when I see the
yellow green, it sort of tells me that there's that
(13:23):
you might dwell in the space of the heart, which
and in the space of identity. So it's about helping
to sort of connect between you how you want to
be seen, how you want people to see you, but
then also moving into this place where there's sort of
unconditional love and acceptance for who you are, regardless of
(13:44):
what other people think. So it's sort of dwelling in
that space of loving yourself just exactly as you are
in this moment.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well, I'm so glad that that resonate with you at all.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Do you feel I love that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I definitely have been working on self love for a while.
It's been part of my message for others to take
that on because I'm a survivor and the people I
work with our survivors, so it's been really hard to do.
I tell people, as kids, we have these we're beliefs
(14:22):
based on our experiences. So if you're someone who's been
abused at all, you're kind of stuck with this belief that, well,
since good things happen to good people and bad things
happen to bad people, I must be bad if this
is happening, and we internalize it and our behaviors show that.
(14:45):
So the fact that you can see that is like,
oh my gosh, all these healing things I do. Some
thing's working. But I'm also very spiritual, and I really
think that being a spiritual person is super healing too.
For sure in those gifts, for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Can I also share with you, So the the green
and the yellow and sort of where they dwell in
the So the heart is the bridge between the physical
body and the spiritual body. And so when I see
somebody who's sort of in that heart space, the colors
that are going to be the most supportive for you
will be some of the upper chakra colors. So I
(15:26):
don't know if you like to wear purple or violet
or indigo or white, but those colors will be especially
supportive when you're moving through that healing space, to offer
you reminders that you're connected to a higher power, that
you're deeply loved, that you have a strong inner knowing
and intuition, and that you're able to connect to a
(15:49):
higher power to receive healing and love and support as
you sort of move through those moments or those feelings.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
That come up.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's very cool. My mom's favorite color was purple, so
I do have a few things of her. So that's
that's very nice. It's actually very comforting. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, And so how do you share your gifts with others?
Like do you do one on one sessions? Do you
have courses workshops? What did your with others look like?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
The primary way that I really like to work with
people one on one is through spirit portrait paintings. I mean,
in that way sort of what we did here, but
at a deeper level. I will sit with somebody's picture
or energy and really move through all your chakras and
sort of read where they are. So I'll look for color.
(16:44):
Do I see for each of the chakras and what
symbols or messages are coming through for each one, and
then I kind of sort of say, well, here's the
primary place where you dwell, and then here's the color
that will be most supportive. So there are a couple
of spirit portrait examples behind me here. But I'll do
an individual painting for somebody, write down what messages come through,
(17:06):
and then we hop on a zoom call and talk
about it and kind of say, where I see you,
Here's what your colors are, here's your painting, and here's
it's what it's telling me about how it will be
supportive for you. And the conversations are intimate and really
I think just as healing for the person that's receiving
the painting as it is for me to be able
(17:28):
to kind of share those messages and a lot of
times leave somebody with you know, my goal is always
to leave somebody with messages that are uplifting and inspiring
for them so that they leave going Okay, I've got
some I've got some tips, I've got some tools, and
then I also get this painting I can hang in
my room that will minister to me on a daily basis,
(17:51):
and I love I love doing that for them.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I feel that your gift is so impactful for people.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, that's you know.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
When I was asked to have you on my show,
I was yes, which is odd because I tend to
have you know, survivors and you know everyone some other
is someone who isn't. But most of the past couple
of years has mostly been survivors. But I think you have.
(18:23):
Do you believe in past lives?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Let me ask that I do.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I thought so when you talked about
you when your parents were you know, said you're born
in the wrong time, I'm probably living time too. Yeah yeah, yeah.
So that was also a hard concept for me too.
But I have to do some energy work. I'm in
(18:48):
a certification program right now, so learning about the chakras
and stuff, and so, you know, my coaches trainers when
they talked about it with me. At first, I was
through a workshop with a group of people and I
was very I've got a lot of fear in me,
like I didn't want to be around thousands of years
(19:12):
ago and tortured or hurt in some way. I didn't
want that. And now that I understand that, my it's
been part of my healing journey as a healer too,
I think it's more beautiful, right, So I wanted to
share that I love that.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Okay, So do.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You offer any classes or workshops at this point or
is it just one I'm not jazz, but do you
do one on one only?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I do also do workshops too, mostly local in person
workshops for therapeutic art. I'm trying to find a way
to bring that to the virtual space too. But it's
it's really nice to be able to work in person
with somebody. But I like to use I mean, art
is art is healing, right, So there's art therapy or
therapeutic art that we can use. So a lot of
(20:00):
the stuff that I will do in person is related
to help people process their feelings and emotions through art
and color, and then to be able to learn what
those colors mean for them, or what the symbols or
shapes that they create might be going them and all
of that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Are you comfortable with saying a little more on how
this is healing to someone who's experienced trauma, Like, have
any of your clients identified as being survivors?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I think in some ways, yes, they might, they might
align with that identity a little bit. I think for
the most part, when I'm doing a painting for somebody
and we're talking about where they dwell, there's often pain
associated in that area. So, for example, I have a
(20:52):
client who is going through cancer, cancer of bladder, and
the bladder sits at the same girl chakra area. So
when I spoke to her, we sort of talked about, Okay,
here are some of the things that you might be
challenged with if you're in your dwelling in that space.
Lack of boundaries, not feeling like you're able to creatively
(21:15):
express yourself, not feeling like you're able to emotionally connect
with people or even just feel connected to your own
emotions about things and to be able to express it.
Carrying the weight of the world or carrying just the
weight of responsibility around there. So we'll talk a little
bit about those things, and then we'll say, okay, so
(21:38):
what are your what are your practices around.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Being able to express yourself? Are you journaling, are you writing?
Do you meditate?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Do you have a spiritual practice that you that you
work in. So we sort of talk about here's where
you might be some of the things that you might
be struggling with are this, And then what are you
doing or what can we help you do to sort
of lift you up out of that? And so we
have those conversations then and you know, I'll create a
painting for them and kind of say, well, here's what
(22:09):
I see for you, and the painting does this symbol
resonate with you? Or does this message resonate with you?
And so in that way, I think there they leave
that conversation with more insight about just even their own emotions,
how color is supported them, or just generally how they're
kind of moving through life and how they can choose
(22:30):
to move through.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Life differently beautful.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What about grief have you worked with people actively crieving
and what's that been like, Yes, a.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Lot recently, so much so that I've been thinking about
putting together some therapeutic workshops around art in grief because
there are a lot of people who are experiencing grief
right now, and I sort of see people in the
grief space as like a bl blue gray color, and
that to me sort of tell me that they're in
(23:04):
a place of feeling there's like a lack, right because
when we're grieving, we've often lost to someone, so there's
a lack of something there. But with the blue gray,
it's also about not being able to communicate or not
feeling like you're able to communicate. The feeling of grief
or just how deep the grief is. And everybody goes
through grief, and so a lot of people, I think
(23:27):
struggle with how do they express their grief when it
seems like have expectations around how we're supposed to grieve.
And so those folks, for a lot of them, colors
like orange or yellow are going to be especially uplifting
for them because they're more energizing. They offer optimism, they
(23:47):
offer confidence and courage, and so it sort of helps
them lift up out of that. But I think that
there's more that we can do in the therapeutic art
space to help people with grief, and I have seen
that more and more lately.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Okay, Well, as you know, podcasts live forever, so as
you develop and offer programs like that, let me know
so I can add it the links to the show notes.
So if people in the future are listening, they know, Oh,
I'm grieving right now. This is my person that could
be so helpful to me. Yeah, I think that's beautiful.
(24:26):
All right, Well, what else do you want to talk about? Like,
what else do you feel? Are you getting any downloads? Like, oh,
I really should share this because I remember the people
listening are survivors. They could be grieving a lot people
with pain. I think the pain is probably the common denominator.
(24:47):
Are you having any images that you want to say
to that person that maybea suffering right now?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
One I would just say, you're not alone in your pain,
and you're not alone in general. And I there are
so many people out in the world like me, like
you who are here to help and are here to
offer healing in some way and to be of service
in some way, and to reach out to people and
to look for the people who have their hand out
(25:16):
to help you, to pull you into a safe space,
and to pull you into a place where healing is possible.
And I think that's the thing that's most important to
me recently is I'm learning about the connection between physical
pain and the spiritual body, and you know how you
can sort of associate pain in the body with a
(25:39):
spiritual dissatisfaction. I guess so like if you have high
blood pressure that's associated with anger, and so you know,
if you look at, well, what's the root of my anger,
then healing is possible in the heart. And so I
think it's important to sort of pay attention to how
you really feel about something and to find different ways
(26:00):
is to create space to just feel, to feel the feelings.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Then.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I know that probably sounds really simple, but I think
we spend all of our lives running from how we
actually feel about something and just finding time to get
quiet and to connect with yourself and knowing that healing
is possible for just about all of us. I think
when we get really clear about how we feel about it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, you're right, And therapy we call that word avoidance
when we're trying not to feel. Yeah, And it is
a big deal, the avoidance because the pain of the
feelings themes to be so over wrong. It's why people
(26:49):
turn to drugs or alcohol or you know, emotionally eat
or gamble or expects like there. We will do almost
anything to not feel, especially for those of us who
who have a lot of pain from you know, past winds.
And it is a simple solution to just allow yourself
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to feel. But it's so interesting that people will self
destruct in order not to do it. Yeah, and the
simple of just being and feeling, if people could allow themselves,
I want to say that gift of pain. So it's
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a terrible way to put it, but they actually will
move through it. The pain more quickly and to start
to feel better.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, I think there's like the pain that you're feeling
that you're avoiding by going into another form of pain.
And yeah, there's pain on both sides. You know, choose
the pain that's going to help you move through it
and then be able to find the heeling. And teacher
always says, like, you have to excavate the wound, right,
you have to get all the possible, the gross. You
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got to get all that out. You gotta it's gross,
it's nasty, you don't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You don't want to look at it. I'd rather not.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
But as soon as you clear it out, then it
can start to heal. And so there's I think for me,
that's the thing. Whether you know, choose whatever form of
art you choose, there's healing in it. I think that
beauty and just creating something with your hands, whether it's journaling,
making music, singing, dancing, whatever it is, there's something in
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there that allows you to nect to a deeper aspect
of your spirit that will open you up to the
possibility of healing.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But it's there for you.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Hey, your teacher's example is the wound is when I
use all the time. Really yeah, yes, because our emotional hurts.
It's it's like having a huge wound in your debt
and avoiding it just then you gotta heeeal it. You
gotta go into surgery, let them clean everything out, and
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it hurts and you get a dig in there. Yeah,
but then they can once it's clean. And I kind
of describe it too as like the cleansing. You know,
the water and then you know, maybe there's some ointment,
and then there's stitches, right, and then that scar from
the stitches is that beautiful reminder that you've survived some
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really hard, hard things, but now you're a survivor and
you're healing and there's more hope than that. And then
they just walking around with this big keeping mood, right yeah,
or hope and believing that you're siving things.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's beautiful. I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, it's been really wonderful having you here with us today.
Can you share a website or a way and I
will have it in the show notes too. But what's
the best wait for people to reach out to you
if they resonate with your work?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Sure, I'd love to connect with people on Instagram I'm
at Heatherack Artists there and then my website. I've got
a couple of freebies out there for folks to learn
more about color or to even book a fifteen minute
color discovery session with me. That's all free, and that's
at heatheric dot com slash thank you. Yeah, that's beautiful too,
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But thank you and your gift.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I like that a lot. I great head there. It's
been a joy. Please stay in touch and I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I appreciate you. Thank you so much for having me
this morning. My pleasure.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Thank you for listening in today. Please join us next week,
same day and time. Also, I would love for you
to check out my website heel Thrive dream dot com.
Welcome to the Heel Thrived Dream Podcast, where trauma survivors
become healthy thrivers. Each month will feature a theme in
the trauma recovery and empowerment field to promote your recovery,
healing and learning how to build dreams. Here's your host,
Karen Robinson, transformational coach and therapist.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hi, Welcome to the Heel Thrived Dream Podcast. Thank you
for being here today. Our guest is Heather. Heather is
a multimedia abstruct artist and writer. An intuitive artist and painter,
Heather interprets people, places, and experiences through color, a condition
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known as synthesia. Like in the enarm box of crayons.
Her gift operates by categorizing through intricate specific shades of color.
While this can enables her to experience color, she responds
to these encounters with people, things, emotions, and spaces by
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understanding the particular shade of experience that a person dwells
the She uses her gift to detect the most healing
color for them to remedy their wounds. Guided by the
chakra system and inspirit, inspired by spirituality and the mysteries
of the universe, how the transforms these vibrant energies into
(01:31):
captivading paintings that uplift, inspire, and ultimately heal. That'spressive little
bio there, Heather. Thank you for being here, Thank you
for having me. I appreciate it. That's the first time
I've read a bio like that, So of course I
want to start off with the how do I say
(01:53):
this word again? The synthesis? Say it one more time?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Synesthesia?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Okay, you got to tell us more about that, because
this is the first time I'm hearing about it.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
It's not very well like widely. Synesthesia is something that
happens when your brain takes in information and then crosses it.
So when I take in a smell, a scent, a taste,
a word, or music, my brain senses sort of get crossed,
and in my mind's eye, I see it as a color,
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as a shape. When I listen to music, I see
choreography in my brain. So it's a condition that happens.
Only about four percent of the population have something like it.
There are over eighty different kinds of synesthesia, like sound
to color synesthesia. There's days of the week synesthesia. There's
all different kinds of ways that people take in information.
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And then process it through another sense.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's so cool. When did you first realize that you
had this kind of gift?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So I think I grew up all along thinking that
everybody did this, that everybody had it. You know, when
I was a little kid, I would sit in my
room and listen to music and draw when I saw
the music as or you know, driving down the road
listening to MUK in my parents' car and seeing colors
and shapes and dancers in my mind. And it really
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wasn't until the last year that I discovered what it
was through another artist who said, you know, I have synthesiesia.
I have sound of color. It's called chrome a sesia.
I think sound of color synthesia. So when she hears music,
she paints what she sees. And I kind of thought,
wait a minute, I feel like I do that too.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And then started to dig into it and endeavored that
I have many forms of it, and I've been using
it my whole life.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I just didn't know what it was called.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And no one in your circle, your parents, your teachers
and that of them creed on to this.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
No, no, And you know what, I I was a
really quiet shy kid. So I don't think I ever
even told anybody about it. It was just kind of
something that I experienced and just assumed that everybody did,
just assumed that wild.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
That is so wild to me.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Do you well the other artists that you were talking about,
she also someone who was a quiet kid. Do you
know her story about I.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Know a little bit of her story. Her name is
Sarah Kranik, and I think she sort of I think
she sort of tried to talk about it, and I
don't know that it was shut down or it just
wasn't really like explored, and so she sort of kind
of shut it down a little bit and then came
back into it as she got older too. I think
it's one of those things that a lot of creatives experienced,
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musicians and artists and and so you know a lot
of times we shut those gifts down early on too,
and so you know it not you know, it wasn't
until I was close to my forties that I started
to kind of explore art again, and that's when it
kind of started to billow out a bit more.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, I asked the question about the quiet child because
under if that's something common with healers in general or
people that are really intuitive, is my gas is that
they tend to be a little more on the quiet
side because it's a lot to take in. It's a
lot to take in. And I definitely was described as
(05:30):
a quiet child a lot of my life and then
I ended up being an introvert fifty extrovert fifty percent
the ambivert type of things. I think I can weave
in and out, but the quiet part of me is
very intuitive and very healing. H it's interesting. Okay, so
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you or a late bloomer with your talent then very
much meaning late blue murmaning leaning into it. It was there,
leaning into it, and I love your for people on
YouTube we can see all your paints in the background. Yeah,
I love that. So you're really leaning in, really leaning in.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
My spiritual teacher, she says that a lot of times
our gifts show up when we're kids, that the things
that we're naturally drawn to or that we are really
interested in, there's a curiosity there that that's really where
our gifts lie.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's really where.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Our you know, our purpose and our interests are. And
a lot of times as kids we sort of intuitively
are drawn to certain things because that's that's part of
our story, it's part of our path. And then as
we get older, we sort of shut it down or
we set about on different paths to explore different things.
And then a lot of us sort of experience this
(06:55):
either a breakdown or a breakthrough, and we're like, I
need to do something different, And that was that's sort
of what it was for me. I was I was
really in, you know, had a great job, had a
very lucrative career as an HR manager, and then you know,
started to just feel super tired and I just couldn't
(07:16):
muster the energy to get up each day and drive
to the office to do HR work. It just wasn't
fulfilling anymore. And then kind of said, okay, well, let's
talk about what I was interested in as a kid,
what what? And for me, it was always color, drawing, painting, art.
It was like that those things existed around me as
(07:38):
a little kid, and then came sort of trickling back
in as I got older. And so I was thirty
eight thirty nine when I started painting again, and I've
been doing that now for the last five or six years,
so it really really was a late bloomer.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
If you you know, when it.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Comes to like actually acknowledging what had sort of been around.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Me the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, does this mean you no longer do HR work?
Are you a time artist now full time artist? Awesome?
Are you a starving artist? Or has it become a
stable career for you?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Between, it's sort of in between. I think it's one
of those things where you know, you're I'm still trying
to kind of figure out what does life look like.
I spent twenty five years in corporate HR and so
I've only spent five or six years on this full
time artist role.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So I still feel like.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I'm in kindergarten when it comes to owning and operating
an art business.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, I do have a client who's made this pivot
and she's only a few months into it, and she's
so frustrated that she's you know, not you know, a
highly successful artist at this point. I'm like, well, wait
a minute, it's still a new endeavor for you. We're
working full time with the government just so a short
(09:03):
period ago. So yeah, it does take time, especially being
an entrepreneur and all the things that comes with that.
It sounds a lot easier than what it actually is.
Is my experience. I think I'm fairly new too being
an entrepreneur. I was working for the government for seventeen
years and then I've been a therapist for twenty five.
(09:27):
A lot of it was with companies and agencies or
the government. So being on my own it's been different.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, it's not a faint part.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
There's a lot to the day to day.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, but one of my favorite parts is having my
own schedule. Are you enjoying that piece?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I do enjoy that piece. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Like I think that that freedom that it offers is
really sort of for a sensitive spirit, you know. I
think growing up so much you have to be here
at eight, you can't leave until five, it feels so restrictive.
And what I'm learning about myself as I get older
and as I just kind of listen to my intuition
(10:11):
more as I sort of moved through life, is that
the things that make me feel restrictive or tight are
not for me.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
But the things that.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Make me feel a bit more open and free are
where I really want to be. Those are the things
that I try. I try to follow that feeling, but
that makes me feel the most cared for I think
as a spiritual person being a human.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, I know we've talked about before recording. We talked
about a couple of things. I want to update the
body ince on is Heather is not a She doesn't
identify as a trauma survivor, but does identify as someone
who can be a healer, you know, through her our work,
her poetry, and just her nature intuit just intuitive learning
(11:03):
and with the chakras, so people can be very healing
as well. Why did you get involved in the chakra
system or is that part of your your gift as well?
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, for sure, Spirituality, the chakras, all of that was
very interesting to me throughout my childhood. You know, in
age years, I was that kind of my parents that
I was born in the wrong time I was. I
probably should have been like a flower child, you know,
in the sixties or something.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I was really into into that. Cutting it was.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
It was probably as soon as I started to notice
that I was able to see color around people and
intuitively see people through color, that I instantly connected the
color that I saw to the chakra system. And that
tells me a lot about sort of where people are
dwelling in their bodies, and because the chakras are associated
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with the physical, spiritual, or emotional energy centers of the body,
that gave me a lot of activity points. And I
kind of said, oh, well, I see green around you,
and so greens about the heart, So let's look at that.
Let's talk about the heart. You know, what color do
I see and what's it telling me about you?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
There?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So that was kind of an interesting connector. Other Sinistites
and people who have synesthesia don't associate color that way,
so they just kind of see the color and then
they're like, Okay, well that's green. But for me, I
associate it with the spiritual side of things because I
believe that everything hasening. I think everything has, you know,
some sort of function or purpose in there. And so
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that's sort of how it came together.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Very cool. You know, this might be on the spot
we talked about. This is the Organic show, So I
don't preplan my question. So anything I ask you that
feels uncomfortable or not something you want to do, just
just say that it's okay, sure, I want to be flexible,
but are you comfortable saying what color you're seeing? With
me talking with you. Yeah, sure, comfortable if you were.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Yeah, absolutely So I sort of see you in like
a yellow green color. So yellow is associated with the
sacral I'm sorry, the solar plexus chakra, which is sort
of right around our belly button, and green is associated
with the heart. So for me, when I see the
yellow green, it sort of tells me that there's that
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you might dwell in the space of the heart, which
and in the space of identity. So it's about helping
to sort of connect between you how you want to
be seen, how you want people to see you, but
then also moving into this place where there's sort of
unconditional love and acceptance for who you are, regardless of
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what other people think. So it's sort of dwelling in
that space of loving yourself just exactly as you are
in this moment.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well, I'm so glad that that resonate with you at all.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Do you feel I love that.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I definitely have been working on self love for a while.
It's been part of my message for others to take
that on because I'm a survivor and the people I
work with our survivors, so it's been really hard to do.
I tell people, as kids, we have these we're beliefs
(14:22):
based on our experiences. So if you're someone who's been
abused at all, you're kind of stuck with this belief that, well,
since good things happen to good people and bad things
happen to bad people, I must be bad if this
is happening, and we internalize it and our behaviors show that.
(14:45):
So the fact that you can see that is like,
oh my gosh, all these healing things I do. Some
thing's working. But I'm also very spiritual, and I really
think that being a spiritual person is super healing too.
For sure in those gifts, for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Can I also share with you, So the the green
and the yellow and sort of where they dwell in
the So the heart is the bridge between the physical
body and the spiritual body. And so when I see
somebody who's sort of in that heart space, the colors
that are going to be the most supportive for you
will be some of the upper chakra colors. So I
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don't know if you like to wear purple or violet
or indigo or white, but those colors will be especially
supportive when you're moving through that healing space, to offer
you reminders that you're connected to a higher power, that
you're deeply loved, that you have a strong inner knowing
and intuition, and that you're able to connect to a
(15:49):
higher power to receive healing and love and support as
you sort of move through those moments or those feelings.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
That come up.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
That's very cool. My mom's favorite color was purple, so
I do have a few things of her. So that's
that's very nice. It's actually very comforting. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, And so how do you share your gifts with others?
Like do you do one on one sessions? Do you
have courses workshops? What did your with others look like?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
The primary way that I really like to work with
people one on one is through spirit portrait paintings. I mean,
in that way sort of what we did here, but
at a deeper level. I will sit with somebody's picture
or energy and really move through all your chakras and
sort of read where they are. So I'll look for color.
(16:44):
Do I see for each of the chakras and what
symbols or messages are coming through for each one, and
then I kind of sort of say, well, here's the
primary place where you dwell, and then here's the color
that will be most supportive. So there are a couple
of spirit portrait examples behind me here. But I'll do
an individual painting for somebody, write down what messages come through,
(17:06):
and then we hop on a zoom call and talk
about it and kind of say, where I see you,
Here's what your colors are, here's your painting, and here's
it's what it's telling me about how it will be
supportive for you. And the conversations are intimate and really
I think just as healing for the person that's receiving
the painting as it is for me to be able
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to kind of share those messages and a lot of
times leave somebody with you know, my goal is always
to leave somebody with messages that are uplifting and inspiring
for them so that they leave going Okay, I've got
some I've got some tips, I've got some tools, and
then I also get this painting I can hang in
my room that will minister to me on a daily basis,
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and I love I love doing that for them.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I feel that your gift is so impactful for people.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, that's you know.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
When I was asked to have you on my show,
I was yes, which is odd because I tend to
have you know, survivors and you know everyone some other
is someone who isn't. But most of the past couple
of years has mostly been survivors. But I think you have.
(18:23):
Do you believe in past lives?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Let me ask that I do.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I thought so when you talked about
you when your parents were you know, said you're born
in the wrong time, I'm probably living time too. Yeah yeah, yeah.
So that was also a hard concept for me too.
But I have to do some energy work. I'm in
(18:48):
a certification program right now, so learning about the chakras
and stuff, and so, you know, my coaches trainers when
they talked about it with me. At first, I was
through a workshop with a group of people and I
was very I've got a lot of fear in me,
like I didn't want to be around thousands of years
(19:12):
ago and tortured or hurt in some way. I didn't
want that. And now that I understand that, my it's
been part of my healing journey as a healer too,
I think it's more beautiful, right, So I wanted to
share that I love that.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Okay, So do.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You offer any classes or workshops at this point or
is it just one I'm not jazz, but do you
do one on one only?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
No.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I do also do workshops too, mostly local in person
workshops for therapeutic art. I'm trying to find a way
to bring that to the virtual space too. But it's
it's really nice to be able to work in person
with somebody. But I like to use I mean, art
is art is healing, right, So there's art therapy or
therapeutic art that we can use. So a lot of
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the stuff that I will do in person is related
to help people process their feelings and emotions through art
and color, and then to be able to learn what
those colors mean for them, or what the symbols or
shapes that they create might be going them and all
of that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Are you comfortable with saying a little more on how
this is healing to someone who's experienced trauma, Like, have
any of your clients identified as being survivors?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I think in some ways, yes, they might, they might
align with that identity a little bit. I think for
the most part, when I'm doing a painting for somebody
and we're talking about where they dwell, there's often pain
associated in that area. So, for example, I have a
(20:52):
client who is going through cancer, cancer of bladder, and
the bladder sits at the same girl chakra area. So
when I spoke to her, we sort of talked about, Okay,
here are some of the things that you might be
challenged with if you're in your dwelling in that space.
Lack of boundaries, not feeling like you're able to creatively
(21:15):
express yourself, not feeling like you're able to emotionally connect
with people or even just feel connected to your own
emotions about things and to be able to express it.
Carrying the weight of the world or carrying just the
weight of responsibility around there. So we'll talk a little
bit about those things, and then we'll say, okay, so
(21:38):
what are your what are your practices around.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Being able to express yourself? Are you journaling, are you writing?
Do you meditate?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Do you have a spiritual practice that you that you
work in. So we sort of talk about here's where
you might be some of the things that you might
be struggling with are this, And then what are you
doing or what can we help you do to sort
of lift you up out of that? And so we
have those conversations then and you know, I'll create a
painting for them and kind of say, well, here's what
(22:09):
I see for you, and the painting does this symbol
resonate with you? Or does this message resonate with you?
And so in that way, I think there they leave
that conversation with more insight about just even their own emotions,
how color is supported them, or just generally how they're
kind of moving through life and how they can choose
(22:30):
to move through.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Life differently beautful.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What about grief have you worked with people actively crieving
and what's that been like, Yes, a.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Lot recently, so much so that I've been thinking about
putting together some therapeutic workshops around art in grief because
there are a lot of people who are experiencing grief
right now, and I sort of see people in the
grief space as like a bl blue gray color, and
that to me sort of tell me that they're in
(23:04):
a place of feeling there's like a lack, right because
when we're grieving, we've often lost to someone, so there's
a lack of something there. But with the blue gray,
it's also about not being able to communicate or not
feeling like you're able to communicate. The feeling of grief
or just how deep the grief is. And everybody goes
through grief, and so a lot of people, I think
(23:27):
struggle with how do they express their grief when it
seems like have expectations around how we're supposed to grieve.
And so those folks, for a lot of them, colors
like orange or yellow are going to be especially uplifting
for them because they're more energizing. They offer optimism, they
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offer confidence and courage, and so it sort of helps
them lift up out of that. But I think that
there's more that we can do in the therapeutic art
space to help people with grief, and I have seen
that more and more lately.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Okay, Well, as you know, podcasts live forever, so as
you develop and offer programs like that, let me know
so I can add it the links to the show notes.
So if people in the future are listening, they know, Oh,
I'm grieving right now. This is my person that could
be so helpful to me. Yeah, I think that's beautiful.
(24:26):
All right, Well, what else do you want to talk about? Like,
what else do you feel? Are you getting any downloads? Like, oh,
I really should share this because I remember the people
listening are survivors. They could be grieving a lot people
with pain. I think the pain is probably the common denominator.
(24:47):
Are you having any images that you want to say
to that person that maybea suffering right now?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
One I would just say, you're not alone in your pain,
and you're not alone in general. And I there are
so many people out in the world like me, like
you who are here to help and are here to
offer healing in some way and to be of service
in some way, and to reach out to people and
to look for the people who have their hand out
(25:16):
to help you, to pull you into a safe space,
and to pull you into a place where healing is possible.
And I think that's the thing that's most important to
me recently is I'm learning about the connection between physical
pain and the spiritual body, and you know how you
can sort of associate pain in the body with a
(25:39):
spiritual dissatisfaction. I guess so like if you have high
blood pressure that's associated with anger, and so you know,
if you look at, well, what's the root of my anger,
then healing is possible in the heart. And so I
think it's important to sort of pay attention to how
you really feel about something and to find different ways
(26:00):
is to create space to just feel, to feel the feelings.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Then.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I know that probably sounds really simple, but I think
we spend all of our lives running from how we
actually feel about something and just finding time to get
quiet and to connect with yourself and knowing that healing
is possible for just about all of us. I think
when we get really clear about how we feel about it.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, you're right, And therapy we call that word avoidance
when we're trying not to feel. Yeah, And it is
a big deal, the avoidance because the pain of the
feelings themes to be so over wrong. It's why people
(26:49):
turn to drugs or alcohol or you know, emotionally eat
or gamble or expects like there. We will do almost
anything to not feel, especially for those of us who
who have a lot of pain from you know, past winds.
And it is a simple solution to just allow yourself
(27:14):
to feel. But it's so interesting that people will self
destruct in order not to do it. Yeah, and the
simple of just being and feeling, if people could allow themselves,
I want to say that gift of pain. So it's
(27:34):
a terrible way to put it, but they actually will
move through it. The pain more quickly and to start
to feel better.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yeah, I think there's like the pain that you're feeling
that you're avoiding by going into another form of pain.
And yeah, there's pain on both sides. You know, choose
the pain that's going to help you move through it
and then be able to find the heeling. And teacher
always says, like, you have to excavate the wound, right,
you have to get all the possible, the gross. You
(28:05):
got to get all that out. You gotta it's gross,
it's nasty, you don't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You don't want to look at it. I'd rather not.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
But as soon as you clear it out, then it
can start to heal. And so there's I think for me,
that's the thing. Whether you know, choose whatever form of
art you choose, there's healing in it. I think that
beauty and just creating something with your hands, whether it's journaling,
making music, singing, dancing, whatever it is, there's something in
(28:33):
there that allows you to nect to a deeper aspect
of your spirit that will open you up to the
possibility of healing.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But it's there for you.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Hey, your teacher's example is the wound is when I
use all the time. Really yeah, yes, because our emotional hurts.
It's it's like having a huge wound in your debt
and avoiding it just then you gotta heeeal it. You
gotta go into surgery, let them clean everything out, and
(29:06):
it hurts and you get a dig in there. Yeah,
but then they can once it's clean. And I kind
of describe it too as like the cleansing. You know,
the water and then you know, maybe there's some ointment,
and then there's stitches, right, and then that scar from
the stitches is that beautiful reminder that you've survived some
(29:30):
really hard, hard things, but now you're a survivor and
you're healing and there's more hope than that. And then
they just walking around with this big keeping mood, right yeah,
or hope and believing that you're siving things.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's beautiful. I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, it's been really wonderful having you here with us today.
Can you share a website or a way and I
will have it in the show notes too. But what's
the best wait for people to reach out to you
if they resonate with your work?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Sure, I'd love to connect with people on Instagram I'm
at Heatherack Artists there and then my website. I've got
a couple of freebies out there for folks to learn
more about color or to even book a fifteen minute
color discovery session with me. That's all free, and that's
at heatheric dot com slash thank you. Yeah, that's beautiful too,
(30:26):
But thank you and your gift.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
I like that a lot. I great head there. It's
been a joy. Please stay in touch and I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I appreciate you. Thank you so much for having me
this morning. My pleasure.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Thank you for listening in today. Please join us next week,
same day and time. Also, I would love for you
to check out my website heel Thrive dream dot com.
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