September 10, 2025 • 23 mins
Coco Madari (they/them) is a queer, neurospicy, multi-talented artist, producer, DJ, speaker, and performer who helps other multi-potentialite entrepreneurs create a business on their terms. They have helped over 100 creative entrepreneurs see their many talents as complementary rather than a hindrance, creating more self-acceptance while generating more revenue for their businesses. Within their programs, Coco teaches you the bullshit-free version of the sales, marketing, messaging, and mindset skills you need be successful, while leaving tons of room for your magical neurodivergent self to blaze your own path and create a business that works for YOU.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Heel Thrived Dream Podcast, where trauma survivors
become healthy thrivers. Each month will feature a theme in
the trauma recovery and empowerment field to promote your recovery,
healing and learning how to build dreams. Here's your host,
Karen Robinson, transformational coach and therapist.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to the Heel Thrived Dream Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Today our guest is Coco, my dearie. They are a queer,
neurospicy multi talented artists, producer, DJ speaker, performer, and business
coach who helps other multi potential light entrepreneurs create a
(00:47):
business on their own terms.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Now, isn't that a fun bio? That's real fun? Yeah,
and I know you sent me a longer bio for
the show notes so people can read more about you.
But is there anything you want to add to it?
Out of the gate? But your credentials are about you?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, first of.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
All, it's pronounced Madari, not yeah right the first time
you did say it right the first time?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, let's let's do it again so people get your
name Poco, yeah Madari. Okay, Well, people wouldn't know what
to do if I said their names, right, They just
would be like, she must be doing drugs and now
she's getting it right. Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Yeah, thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
For having me.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay, this podcast is created for listeners who are recovering
and healing from trauma. What prompted you to want to
be a guest on the show?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
I know trauma very intimately, and there has been a
lot of trauma in my family line, but also just
being labeled as a black woman and all of that,
like racial trauma that comes with that. I'm autistic and
(02:12):
I'm disabled and all the things. So yeah, I just
it's something that i know very intimately and something that
I've been working on for like many years at this point,
only since I was like twenty three and split up
(02:35):
with a partner and well escaped from an abuser actually
and just prioritized my mental health and healing from trauma,
healing from whatever got.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
Me into that relationship.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
And over the past couple of years, I've just seen
such incredible not only progress in myself, but it's almost
like worlds opening up, like feeling like I am I
have been opening the doors on worlds and like situations
(03:12):
that I never would have had access to if I
hadn't done trauma healing, if I hadn't been able to
do the work to allow me to have as much
fun as I'm having now and have as many like
healthy relationships as I have now. Yeah, I guess those
would be like the main reasons.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I love hearing that you're having fun and healing and
working on healthy connections in your relationships. I find that
to be very hopeful, and so I don't want us
to take too much time in this area, and you
can pass as well, but I would like if you're
comfortable to hear a little more about the trauma experience
(03:53):
in the relationship, not too graphic or too detail, then
I really want to hear here healing journey, like what
are the things that you did to heal that's the
most important.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, totally. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
It was just very controlling, emotionally abusive. I was almost
like a prisoner him and he didn't really have any friends,
and because he had a lot of like behavioral issues,
and I was held in that relationship with guilt, and
(04:30):
I also was getting I had chronic pain, chronic utiyes,
and my body was like basically breaking down because of
all the cortisol coursing through my veins, and I read
somewhere that there's something I could do to help with
(04:52):
the UTIs, like protect myself more, and that basically was
just like to grow out my pubic hair. And I
asked him if I if he would be okay with that,
and then he was like, no, no way, I'm breaking
up with you if you do that. So that was
actually kind of my chance. That was my like gateway
to leave, because he broke up with me. He's like, oh,
(05:13):
you're you'll be disgusting, no one will.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Want you, and uh crazy, yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Just off the deep end, just fully off the deep end.
And so I he broke up with me, and then
I moved out the next day and then I knew
that I needed to go straight to therapy because he
was going to try to get me back, like eventually,
and I thought I had like maybe about a month
to get myself there, and so I like worked with
(05:41):
a therapist and just like worked on that like being
able to say no to him when he does.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Come back, and he did and.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I managed to because I was like I was about
to sponsor his like being able to stay in Canada.
I was going to sponsor him and all the things,
So I had to get out of all of that,
and like this all happened within the months.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
After that, I just continued being therapy and I started
discovering things that I knew I was interested in but
never really allowed myself to explore. Oh my friends said
(06:26):
shoes going to.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And hm hm.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
They were doing on Vancouver, to doing freestyling and starting
experience of having world open up in a way that
I didn't. I had an adam because I was, you know,
just in this relationship and going to work.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
That was pretty much it.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
And yeah, and then I just continued like reading and
eventually found coaching, and then my mind blew even more.
And then I went into coaching and started coaching people,
and yeah, just kind of has been a continuation of
(07:29):
all of that. And being able to work with the
most golden hearted people has also been super healing and
kind of opened me up to you know, not everyone
in the world is going to hurt you thing, and yeah,
(07:50):
starting to trust people more.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
But it's been like a wavy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Damn.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
So it looks like experience.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh we're having a little crow. Yeah, we're having a
little bit of tack difficulties. If you have other applications
open on your computer. If you close them, that might help.
But I'll do the same thing. Okay, okay, I should
help with the bandwidth a little pro Yeah, okay, so
(08:43):
we what you are to say got cut offs. I
don't know if you have a thought you want to
finish before I ask my next.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Question, what was the last thing you heard?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It started to grobble, It started to garble like the
last thirty seconds or so.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So okay, yeah. Basically what I was saying was just like, oh, yeah,
that it's been kind of like.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
A yeah, yeah, but I feel like now it's kind
of stabilizing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Okay, that must be relieving.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
It is relieving, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, okay. So my question is about your coaching. I'm
guessing that some of the people that you coach are
also trauma survivors of some sort, because it's such a
common experience for people, the different types of trauma. How
has being a survivor helped you and your work as
(09:41):
a coach?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Oh, such a good question.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
First of all, I am a Gemini son cancer Moon, cancer,
rising cancer, mercury, and cancer venus. So I have a
ton of cancer placements and I a have been hurt
a lot, and also have done a lot of work
(10:06):
to heal my hurt. And so when I do that,
when I like cross an emotion, for example, like a
really really challenging difficult emotion, more equipped to like handle
a client's difficult emotion and have you know, many different
(10:30):
tools through that. Also, I recently decided that all of
my programs, like my coaching programs, are also going to
include three sessions with a licensed therapist, so that if
there are things that come up that are outside of
my scope or even if the three sessions are included
(10:52):
either way. Right, they're amazing spiritual queer therapist and just
kind of like enables us to go deep without worrying
about causing damage.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Because I'm not a therapist. I do have lots of.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Tools and lots of skills and helping people maneuver their
emotions and working through things and breaking cycles and everything,
but I do have a limited scope.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, you're the first pach I've heard say that they
put that in their program. I'm very impassed by that.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, for every client that I sign, I'm gonna I
give money to the therapist for those three sessions. And
that's just like included from now on because I have
experienced a lot of harm from coaches myself.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So yeah, same, yeah, and sometimes sometimes the wrong therapist too.
Sounds like, sounds like you really put some time, energy
and effort into that. I think that's really beautiful.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So important, especially now, like when people are a lot
more aware of the potential harm that can happen when
you know someone is coaching outside of their scope or
there is like like malicious things happening, Like people are
just a lot more just like okay, like here.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
For people.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So now I want to ask you
we still are having a little bit attach just might
be everybody's on the internet in the world right now.
So my next question is more specifically about your coaching
you tell us, So, if someone's listening and they're like
(12:46):
a coach like Cokecrow, what tell us a little more
about what your coaching looks like. I love the therapy piece,
but what else do you do in your therapy in
your coaching sessions.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
So one of the main things things that I do,
or one of the first things that I do with
a client, especially like they have their own business, typically
they have a creative business, is to look at the
area creating too much work for themselves, where they might
be overworking, where they might be people pleasing, where they're
(13:18):
like pushing their own boundaries, where there might be like attached,
where they might be attaching their worst to how much
they're working, and really just like assessing how the business
is doing. One of my one of my biggest strengths
is being able to like see patterns and like have
insight into areas that the client might not.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
And so that's one thing we do.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
I work a lot with from a lens of decolonization,
so really looking at the different systems of oppression that
might be impacting my client depending on their intersttionality. So
if they're a woman, you know they might or and
(14:06):
like have a harder time speaking up. Having some like
education around how the patriarchy has like created that and
relieving the shame from those barriers. I also really I
would say one of my biggest strengths is helping the
(14:28):
client design a business that works for them and they're
neurodivergence and their energy levels, because it's so often that
people start businesses and then are doing the nine to
five and like working how they think they should work
when their bodies are like No, I'm more of a
(14:49):
like intense burst of energy and then lots of rest
kind of person. So kind of like looking at like
how what actually works for you? What are the ways
of generating income consistently at work for you? And yeah,
just like really making creating a business that is sustainable
(15:13):
that really.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
What's the word enhances.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
A client's life and isn't like a big like stress
pressure cooker.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah. Is your coaching mostly one on one or do
you have a group coaching sessions?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
It's mostly one on one, but if I have multiple
one on one clients, I might do like a monthly
group coaching call or something. But yeah, it's primarily one
on one.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And what about classes or courses or workshops? Have you
tapped into that yet?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you mean like for other organizations
and stuff like that, or.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, or just like maybe somebody is not ready for
individual coaching, but they're curious about some of your strengths
and that you can provide. There might be a little
course or something that you could come up with.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I have.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I've done a couple of trainings that I could paint
people to for sure.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Awesome Okay, So for anyone that's listening who's a survivor
and maybe they're also a neurospacy, how would you guide
them and getting started with becoming an entrepreneur, Like, what's
a foundational tip that you would stay to them?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yeah, well, I typically work with people who already have
a business, but if they are first starting out, I
would say, honestly, like finding a mentor that you trust,
(17:03):
finding like, who do you actually want to guide you?
Because there is so much noise out there, And to
find that mentor, I would say to follow your intuition,
start practicing, getting into your intuition to make decisions. And
(17:26):
I understand that's not everyone's cup of tea, Like, not
everyone like goes by their intuition, but whatever way works
for you to find that, Yeah, because I think a
lot of my strife as a business owner has come
from listening to.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
The wrong people about what I should be.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Doing and giving away my authority to be able to
like walk my own path, because walking your own.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Path is scary, It really is very very scary.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
And I totally understand why if you're like a beginner entrepreneur,
you want to get rid of that fear and have
someone who can just tell you what to do and
then you can whatever. But and that can be and
that can be helpful. But just yeah, even if you
do something like that, really making sure you're always checking
(18:25):
in with yourself and making sure that you're doing things
that are right for you.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean that advice is stellar. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, Yeah,
I love that. I think the intuition he's is strong
because when we are working with the wrong people, we
know because our voice inside our inner wisdom does try
to tell us. Yeah, So that was good practicing listening
(18:52):
to that or finding a mentor that you can really
connect to with and that you trust. That was really
good totally.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
And like when you're a traumas if I wad harder,
like I almost want to do a course on how
to not fall into a cult because a cults are everywhere,
They're all over business, and certain people are more susceptible
to that kind of abuse, right, people who don't trust
(19:19):
themselves very much, people who are looking for some sort
of answer, people who are neurodivergent, like me, being autistic
made me more susceptible to getting wrapped up in cul
tbs because autistic people from what I've read are more
(19:39):
likely to adopt like other people's like thoughts and perspectives,
like they can get like into that and oh yeah,
like also, I was just coming out of an abusive
relationship getting into business. Of course, my patterns are going
to continue you even though I'm doing a lot of work.
(20:01):
So just like being aware of your patterns and like
tapping into the intuition as much as you can, which
does involve getting into your body, which can be difficult
if you're a trauma survivor. But doing that with the
help of some like.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Professional somatic therapy. Yeah, yeah, totally really good. Well when
you build that class, mm hmm. How to recognize the cult?
Let me know so I can add it to your
show notes. I can probably sense the people you're aware.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yeah, I agree, yea, I think it would be because
like a culty culture environment can just happen within lots
of different human groups. Yeah, and it can happen accidentally there. Yeah,
there's lots of things to look out for that. Thank
(20:52):
you for inspiring me to.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I think it's a great idea. And I run some
and I do three times a year, and I've done
a summit on church trauma, religious trauma. So I think
the cult one's a great topic too. I'll never run
out of ideas of trauma. Unfortunately, that's correct.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Job.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
It looks like, yeah, totally. Hopefully one day you won't.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That would be beautiful. I would love to learn something
new because some more trauma in the world. I'll take it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
I wonder if you're a generator, do you know your
human design? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That did come up when I did it.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yep, Okay, there you go to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Cocoa, our time is nearing the end. Do you have
any other words of wisdom? I know we did that
from a coaching perspective, but what about words of wisdom
for a listener who feels really stuck in their unhealthy,
toxic relationship. Do you have a good piece of advice
for them?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I would say, yeah, educate yourself about a couple of things.
The drama triangle. I recently learned about it and broke
a very important cycle of abuse that I kept falling
into where I kept becoming the victim. So the drama
triangle is the victim, perpetrator.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
And rescuer.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I'm typically the like victim or rescuer, but learning about
that learning about narcissism and different kinds of mental illnesses
that create predators, people who are like praying on others.
So like learning about narcissism, I learned a lot learning
about like BPD and stuff like that as well, really
(22:49):
understanding where some people were coming from with like very
like inappropriate behaviors and stuff like that. So just like, yeah,
I feel like if someone's in an abusive relationship, definitely
a go to a therapist and like number one.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
But yeah, I found that education has really helped me
a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Knowledge is power.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I am very appreciative of your time with us today.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, I had so much fun.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Thank you for listening to the Heel Thriving podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Thank you for listening in today. Please join us next week,
same day and time. Also, I would love for you
to check out my website healthrivedream dot com
Welcome to the Heel Thrived Dream Podcast, where trauma survivors
become healthy thrivers. Each month will feature a theme in
the trauma recovery and empowerment field to promote your recovery,
healing and learning how to build dreams. Here's your host,
Karen Robinson, transformational coach and therapist.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome to the Heel Thrived Dream Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Today our guest is Coco, my dearie. They are a queer,
neurospicy multi talented artists, producer, DJ speaker, performer, and business
coach who helps other multi potential light entrepreneurs create a
(00:47):
business on their own terms.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Now, isn't that a fun bio? That's real fun? Yeah,
and I know you sent me a longer bio for
the show notes so people can read more about you.
But is there anything you want to add to it?
Out of the gate? But your credentials are about you?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Well, first of.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
All, it's pronounced Madari, not yeah right the first time
you did say it right the first time?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, let's let's do it again so people get your
name Poco, yeah Madari. Okay, Well, people wouldn't know what
to do if I said their names, right, They just
would be like, she must be doing drugs and now
she's getting it right. Thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Yeah, thanks so much.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
For having me.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay, this podcast is created for listeners who are recovering
and healing from trauma. What prompted you to want to
be a guest on the show?
Speaker 5 (01:52):
I know trauma very intimately, and there has been a
lot of trauma in my family line, but also just
being labeled as a black woman and all of that,
like racial trauma that comes with that. I'm autistic and
(02:12):
I'm disabled and all the things. So yeah, I just
it's something that i know very intimately and something that
I've been working on for like many years at this point,
only since I was like twenty three and split up
(02:35):
with a partner and well escaped from an abuser actually
and just prioritized my mental health and healing from trauma,
healing from whatever got.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
Me into that relationship.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
And over the past couple of years, I've just seen
such incredible not only progress in myself, but it's almost
like worlds opening up, like feeling like I am I
have been opening the doors on worlds and like situations
(03:12):
that I never would have had access to if I
hadn't done trauma healing, if I hadn't been able to
do the work to allow me to have as much
fun as I'm having now and have as many like
healthy relationships as I have now. Yeah, I guess those
would be like the main reasons.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I love hearing that you're having fun and healing and
working on healthy connections in your relationships. I find that
to be very hopeful, and so I don't want us
to take too much time in this area, and you
can pass as well, but I would like if you're
comfortable to hear a little more about the trauma experience
(03:53):
in the relationship, not too graphic or too detail, then
I really want to hear here healing journey, like what
are the things that you did to heal that's the
most important.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, totally. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
It was just very controlling, emotionally abusive. I was almost
like a prisoner him and he didn't really have any friends,
and because he had a lot of like behavioral issues,
and I was held in that relationship with guilt, and
(04:30):
I also was getting I had chronic pain, chronic utiyes,
and my body was like basically breaking down because of
all the cortisol coursing through my veins, and I read
somewhere that there's something I could do to help with
(04:52):
the UTIs, like protect myself more, and that basically was
just like to grow out my pubic hair. And I
asked him if I if he would be okay with that,
and then he was like, no, no way, I'm breaking
up with you if you do that. So that was
actually kind of my chance. That was my like gateway
to leave, because he broke up with me. He's like, oh,
(05:13):
you're you'll be disgusting, no one will.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Want you, and uh crazy, yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Just off the deep end, just fully off the deep end.
And so I he broke up with me, and then
I moved out the next day and then I knew
that I needed to go straight to therapy because he
was going to try to get me back, like eventually,
and I thought I had like maybe about a month
to get myself there, and so I like worked with
(05:41):
a therapist and just like worked on that like being
able to say no to him when he does.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Come back, and he did and.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I managed to because I was like I was about
to sponsor his like being able to stay in Canada.
I was going to sponsor him and all the things,
So I had to get out of all of that,
and like this all happened within the months.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
After that, I just continued being therapy and I started
discovering things that I knew I was interested in but
never really allowed myself to explore. Oh my friends said
(06:26):
shoes going to.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And hm hm.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
They were doing on Vancouver, to doing freestyling and starting
experience of having world open up in a way that
I didn't. I had an adam because I was, you know,
just in this relationship and going to work.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
That was pretty much it.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
And yeah, and then I just continued like reading and
eventually found coaching, and then my mind blew even more.
And then I went into coaching and started coaching people,
and yeah, just kind of has been a continuation of
(07:29):
all of that. And being able to work with the
most golden hearted people has also been super healing and
kind of opened me up to you know, not everyone
in the world is going to hurt you thing, and yeah,
(07:50):
starting to trust people more.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
But it's been like a wavy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Damn.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
So it looks like experience.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh we're having a little crow. Yeah, we're having a
little bit of tack difficulties. If you have other applications
open on your computer. If you close them, that might help.
But I'll do the same thing. Okay, okay, I should
help with the bandwidth a little pro Yeah, okay, so
(08:43):
we what you are to say got cut offs. I
don't know if you have a thought you want to
finish before I ask my next.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Question, what was the last thing you heard?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It started to grobble, It started to garble like the
last thirty seconds or so.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So okay, yeah. Basically what I was saying was just like, oh, yeah,
that it's been kind of like.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
A yeah, yeah, but I feel like now it's kind
of stabilizing.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Okay, that must be relieving.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
It is relieving, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, okay. So my question is about your coaching. I'm
guessing that some of the people that you coach are
also trauma survivors of some sort, because it's such a
common experience for people, the different types of trauma. How
has being a survivor helped you and your work as
(09:41):
a coach?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Oh, such a good question.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
First of all, I am a Gemini son cancer Moon, cancer,
rising cancer, mercury, and cancer venus. So I have a
ton of cancer placements and I a have been hurt
a lot, and also have done a lot of work
(10:06):
to heal my hurt. And so when I do that,
when I like cross an emotion, for example, like a
really really challenging difficult emotion, more equipped to like handle
a client's difficult emotion and have you know, many different
(10:30):
tools through that. Also, I recently decided that all of
my programs, like my coaching programs, are also going to
include three sessions with a licensed therapist, so that if
there are things that come up that are outside of
my scope or even if the three sessions are included
(10:52):
either way. Right, they're amazing spiritual queer therapist and just
kind of like enables us to go deep without worrying
about causing damage.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Because I'm not a therapist. I do have lots of.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Tools and lots of skills and helping people maneuver their
emotions and working through things and breaking cycles and everything,
but I do have a limited scope.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, you're the first pach I've heard say that they
put that in their program. I'm very impassed by that.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Yeah, for every client that I sign, I'm gonna I
give money to the therapist for those three sessions. And
that's just like included from now on because I have
experienced a lot of harm from coaches myself.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So yeah, same, yeah, and sometimes sometimes the wrong therapist too.
Sounds like, sounds like you really put some time, energy
and effort into that. I think that's really beautiful.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So important, especially now, like when people are a lot
more aware of the potential harm that can happen when
you know someone is coaching outside of their scope or
there is like like malicious things happening, Like people are
just a lot more just like okay, like here.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
For people.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So now I want to ask you
we still are having a little bit attach just might
be everybody's on the internet in the world right now.
So my next question is more specifically about your coaching
you tell us, So, if someone's listening and they're like
(12:46):
a coach like Cokecrow, what tell us a little more
about what your coaching looks like. I love the therapy piece,
but what else do you do in your therapy in
your coaching sessions.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
So one of the main things things that I do,
or one of the first things that I do with
a client, especially like they have their own business, typically
they have a creative business, is to look at the
area creating too much work for themselves, where they might
be overworking, where they might be people pleasing, where they're
(13:18):
like pushing their own boundaries, where there might be like attached,
where they might be attaching their worst to how much
they're working, and really just like assessing how the business
is doing. One of my one of my biggest strengths
is being able to like see patterns and like have
insight into areas that the client might not.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
And so that's one thing we do.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
I work a lot with from a lens of decolonization,
so really looking at the different systems of oppression that
might be impacting my client depending on their intersttionality. So
if they're a woman, you know they might or and
(14:06):
like have a harder time speaking up. Having some like
education around how the patriarchy has like created that and
relieving the shame from those barriers. I also really I
would say one of my biggest strengths is helping the
(14:28):
client design a business that works for them and they're
neurodivergence and their energy levels, because it's so often that
people start businesses and then are doing the nine to
five and like working how they think they should work
when their bodies are like No, I'm more of a
(14:49):
like intense burst of energy and then lots of rest
kind of person. So kind of like looking at like
how what actually works for you? What are the ways
of generating income consistently at work for you? And yeah,
just like really making creating a business that is sustainable
(15:13):
that really.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
What's the word enhances.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
A client's life and isn't like a big like stress
pressure cooker.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah. Is your coaching mostly one on one or do
you have a group coaching sessions?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
It's mostly one on one, but if I have multiple
one on one clients, I might do like a monthly
group coaching call or something. But yeah, it's primarily one
on one.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And what about classes or courses or workshops? Have you
tapped into that yet?
Speaker 5 (15:53):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you mean like for other organizations
and stuff like that, or.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, or just like maybe somebody is not ready for
individual coaching, but they're curious about some of your strengths
and that you can provide. There might be a little
course or something that you could come up with.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I have.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
I've done a couple of trainings that I could paint
people to for sure.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Awesome Okay, So for anyone that's listening who's a survivor
and maybe they're also a neurospacy, how would you guide
them and getting started with becoming an entrepreneur, Like, what's
a foundational tip that you would stay to them?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yeah, well, I typically work with people who already have
a business, but if they are first starting out, I
would say, honestly, like finding a mentor that you trust,
(17:03):
finding like, who do you actually want to guide you?
Because there is so much noise out there, And to
find that mentor, I would say to follow your intuition,
start practicing, getting into your intuition to make decisions. And
(17:26):
I understand that's not everyone's cup of tea, Like, not
everyone like goes by their intuition, but whatever way works
for you to find that, Yeah, because I think a
lot of my strife as a business owner has come
from listening to.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
The wrong people about what I should be.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Doing and giving away my authority to be able to
like walk my own path, because walking your own.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Path is scary, It really is very very scary.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
And I totally understand why if you're like a beginner entrepreneur,
you want to get rid of that fear and have
someone who can just tell you what to do and
then you can whatever. But and that can be and
that can be helpful. But just yeah, even if you
do something like that, really making sure you're always checking
(18:25):
in with yourself and making sure that you're doing things
that are right for you.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean that advice is stellar. Yeah, it really is. Yeah, Yeah,
I love that. I think the intuition he's is strong
because when we are working with the wrong people, we
know because our voice inside our inner wisdom does try
to tell us. Yeah, So that was good practicing listening
(18:52):
to that or finding a mentor that you can really
connect to with and that you trust. That was really
good totally.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
And like when you're a traumas if I wad harder,
like I almost want to do a course on how
to not fall into a cult because a cults are everywhere,
They're all over business, and certain people are more susceptible
to that kind of abuse, right, people who don't trust
(19:19):
themselves very much, people who are looking for some sort
of answer, people who are neurodivergent, like me, being autistic
made me more susceptible to getting wrapped up in cul
tbs because autistic people from what I've read are more
(19:39):
likely to adopt like other people's like thoughts and perspectives,
like they can get like into that and oh yeah,
like also, I was just coming out of an abusive
relationship getting into business. Of course, my patterns are going
to continue you even though I'm doing a lot of work.
(20:01):
So just like being aware of your patterns and like
tapping into the intuition as much as you can, which
does involve getting into your body, which can be difficult
if you're a trauma survivor. But doing that with the
help of some like.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Professional somatic therapy. Yeah, yeah, totally really good. Well when
you build that class, mm hmm. How to recognize the cult?
Let me know so I can add it to your
show notes. I can probably sense the people you're aware.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yeah, I agree, yea, I think it would be because
like a culty culture environment can just happen within lots
of different human groups. Yeah, and it can happen accidentally there. Yeah,
there's lots of things to look out for that. Thank
(20:52):
you for inspiring me to.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I think it's a great idea. And I run some
and I do three times a year, and I've done
a summit on church trauma, religious trauma. So I think
the cult one's a great topic too. I'll never run
out of ideas of trauma. Unfortunately, that's correct.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Job.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
It looks like, yeah, totally. Hopefully one day you won't.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That would be beautiful. I would love to learn something
new because some more trauma in the world. I'll take it.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
I wonder if you're a generator, do you know your
human design? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That did come up when I did it.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Yep, Okay, there you go to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Cocoa, our time is nearing the end. Do you have
any other words of wisdom? I know we did that
from a coaching perspective, but what about words of wisdom
for a listener who feels really stuck in their unhealthy,
toxic relationship. Do you have a good piece of advice
for them?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I would say, yeah, educate yourself about a couple of things.
The drama triangle. I recently learned about it and broke
a very important cycle of abuse that I kept falling
into where I kept becoming the victim. So the drama
triangle is the victim, perpetrator.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
And rescuer.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I'm typically the like victim or rescuer, but learning about
that learning about narcissism and different kinds of mental illnesses
that create predators, people who are like praying on others.
So like learning about narcissism, I learned a lot learning
about like BPD and stuff like that as well, really
(22:49):
understanding where some people were coming from with like very
like inappropriate behaviors and stuff like that. So just like, yeah,
I feel like if someone's in an abusive relationship, definitely
a go to a therapist and like number one.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
But yeah, I found that education has really helped me
a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Knowledge is power.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I am very appreciative of your time with us today.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, I had so much fun.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Thank you for listening to the Heel Thriving podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Thank you for listening in today. Please join us next week,
same day and time. Also, I would love for you
to check out my website healthrivedream dot com
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