Elizabeth Kipp

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with recording tonight. So I'm veryexcited to have Elizabeth on. So Elizabeth
Tip, it's going to share herjourney through her chronic pain, and we're

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going to talk about what chroduct painmeans and how we navigate that and how
we can actually feel. I loveher. I love her book, The
Way through Chronic Pain, Tools toReclaim Your Healing Power, and uh,
we'll get right to it. So, Elizabeth, thank you for being on

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the Healing Like Podcast. How areyou? I'm good. I'm honored to
be able to talk to you todayand to address your audience and to share
your podcast with my audience. Thisis great. We get to we get
to cross polemate with each other.Love Yeah, I love it too.
So before I get to your book, which is it was amazing read,

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very easy, had a lot ofpoints and I took a lot of notes
for myself too. I wanted toask you in terms of chronic pain,
what is chronic pain? How doesthat what is that different from a pain
that you might get, like ifyou stub your toe or something like that,

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And how does it affect our lives? And we'll talk about methods to
overcome it in a bit, butlike how big of an impact does it
have? Okay, those are threequestions that I'll start with the first one
and we can spend the whole houron that, but we won't chronic pain

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just for the audience. Is anypain that's about fifteen days out of thirty
for three months? Are more physical? Mental, emotional, spiritual, financial?
It's all It all sends the samesignal to the brain. It hurts,
so the brain can tell the differencebetween a broken bone and a broken

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heart. It's all the same pain, right, So that's our working definition.
Most people think it's just physical,but it's so much more right the
nervous system, the brain sees itas so much more so. Kind of
what's the difference between stubbing your toeand chronic pain. We have a mechanism

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in the nervous system the brain calledthe stress response, and it activates when
we're we need to fight, flightfree, shut down those kinds of things,
and it comes on and as soonas we've taken care of whatever the
problem was, it goes off again. It resets down to normal. In

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chronic pain, that stress response staysin the on position and doesn't come back
to normal. And we're not madereally for that. We're not made for
kin our nervous system, our biologyis not made for chronic pain, for
chronic stress. We're made for thison off kind of situation, not for

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when it gets stuck in the onposition. So understanding that chronic stress chronic
pain are similar in the brain interms of the stress on the nervous system,
the other part of it is thatthe in chronic pain, there's already
in regular healthy humans, there's athere's a slight negative bias. So we're

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where for the threat just kind ofin the background. We're a kind of
our first answer is no to somethingnew, something unfamiliar, Our first answer
is no. And then uh,just kind of from a very primal place
to keep us safe. And thenare. Then we can bring it to

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the pre frontal cortext and we canwe can sort out, you know,
is this is this new thing,isn't going to be safe or not right?
And we can decide yes or no, But the first answer is always
no, which is referencing the back, older, ancient part of the brain

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and uh in the chronic pain experience, because the stress response is in the
on position all the time, thatnegativity gets fired up and magnified, so
we become our our whole kind ofdemeanor changes where we see the world in

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a more threatening way, like you'rea threat. Everything out there is a
threat, and we'll also turn thatin on ourselves and now I'm a threat
to myself. So it's this we'rereally not made for this kind of a
situation. And you can see howdamaging that is that it's so stressful on

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the body. We're really not madefor those kinds of stressors long term.
You know, it's you know,it's an interesting way to put it because
when you say we're not made forit, because I mean for me,
for myself, I didn't know ofwhat chronic pain was until I had chronic
pain, and to me, itseems like a fairly you're right, like

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a fairly new concept. And whatalso just kind of give me the light
bulb moment, is it's not aphysical pain, it's mental pain. It's
any kind of it's any kind ofpain, really, and so I,
yeah, that makes a whole lotof sense. So let me let me

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dive in Cuba. It's any kindof pain that lasts for fifteen days out
of thirty for three months or more. Oh, yeah, that's good,
that's good to know. Yeah,it's like any pain. There's like there's
pain, and then there's there's acute pain which comes and goes like I
stubbed my toe, and then there'schronic pain. Any pain that's felt fifteen

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days out of thirty for three monthsor more, that's chronic. And when
it gets to the chronic point,the brain is changed by that. And
the ways that the brain has changedis this this pronounced negativity in the mind,
in our attitude, the emotional centerin the brain gets gets affected,

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and so we have this negative spin. We turn it towards others, we
turn it towards ourselves, and andand also there's a lot of chaos that
is created in the brain. Sowe have to we can't think straight.
But we're so reactive. We're upin this activated mode all the time,
and you have real difficulty accessing executivethinking when you're fired up all the time.

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It's it's kind of contrary to theway we're wired. Yeah, absolutely,
so that absolutely I hope it saidresonates with me. I didn't you
know when you think about what Iwould think about my pain, or really
I have a friend who has Iknow a few people by finishes, You

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don't think that it entrints itself onthe brain. You just I didn't make
that connection. And the way youexplained it, it totally makes sense because
I know some experience. It's thatwhen when I'm in pain, my whole

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well gets fuzzy. I can't concentrateit in effects had to toee. So
that's that makes sense, That makessense. Play it that way. So
it's trying pain and it's literally likeeffects your brain. So well, think
about it for a moment. Thinkabout it for a moment. The brain

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is this highly adaptable organ. It'sjust it's just amazingly it's just quite an
interesting, fascinating, powerful, youknow, machining human machine. It's constantly

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adapting to its environment. So ifa chronic pain signals coming in, it's
going to adapt to that it andit adapts the best that it can given
the way it's made. And becausewe're really not evolutionarily speaking, we're really
not made for chronic stress. We'remade for stress and then calm down stress

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and then calm down kind of thing. We're like, but we're not made
for distress to be in the onposition. And so because the brain's constantly
adapting to current circumstances, we callthat plastic it changes all the time.
Well, chronic pain will change thebrain, and the way we heal from

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that is we heal the changes thatare made in the brain, and medication
doesn't do that. We actually haveto make behavioral changes. We have to
kind of change our environment and changehow we're thinking in order to change the
brain to affect change back in thebrain. So the brain is really a
reflection of kind of what's happening inour environment and what we're making it mean.

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And so that's a perspective that's veryhelpful. Yeah. Absolutely, So
we talk about you knowing, oneof the first things to sit out and
is right in the beginning of thebook is the healing field, and you
said there's a promise of the healingfield, So what is what is the

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healing field and what did that meanfor us? Well, I love that
you brought that in right after whatwe just talked about. Again, the
brain is this highly adaptable machine,and we have a unless we're actually dying,
which you know most of us willhave that experience at some point,

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but most of us are not right, So we have this incredible healing machine,
uh intelligence in the body, andso we were we want to realize

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that and we want to understand thatwhen does healing happen, It happens in
the now, just like the brainis assessing what's happening now and it adapts
to that circumstance very quickly. Sowe have to take responsibility for the now
and what we're bringing to the nowbecause that's where healing happens. Healing doesn't

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happen in the past or the future. It happens now. And one of
the issues that we have in thechronic pain experience is that we lose track
of the present moment because we're constantlycomparing our current experience to the past and
then and then projecting about what's goingto happen to us in the future,

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and we kind of miss what's happeningin the present moment because we're time tripping
and we miss the present, whichis where the healing is. That to
me is one of the multi profoundthings I've ever heard, because you know,
I know that that makes so muchsense about we think that, Okay,

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this is happened in the past,so it's bound to happen in the
future. So which brings me tosomething else that kind of stood out that
was kind of like a batch amoment or aha moment for me, is
you talk about being who is responsiblefor your healings, so you will think

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about when you have pain. Upona pain, you think that you're relying
on your doctors, your orthathetic doctor, your find doctor, whatever doctor.
But you say it actually has tospin with you, isn't Is that correct?
Well, it's both. It's justa matter of what's the proportion there.

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So I love that you brought thatin. It's so important. I
remember my experience of chronic pain formost of the forty years I was in
it was it's doing it to meand I didn't feel like I had any
power over it. It was justand I so I fought with it all
the time. It's like I'll fight. I don't look good at that.

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And thank goodness I had that inmy you know, in that in my
genetics that I can be that,you know, tough. But with my
God, we really don't have todo that. I just didn't know any
better. But when I got within the pay management program with doctor Peter
Prescott, who since we're here,who wrote this beautiful book Conquer Chronic Pain

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and Innovative My Body Approach, whichis a beautiful companion to my book.
When I got into his pain managementprogram, he asked this question, he
said, what are you doing tocontribute to your pain? And I was,
you know, brand new in hisclassroom and there's there's twenty other people

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in the room that are also inchronic pain. And my response, in
my mind, I didn't say anything, but in my mind was like,
I can't believe he just asked awhole rootful of chronic pain patients what are
they doing to contribute to them?What the hell kind of question is that?
Yeah, get out of here.Paint is doing it to me.

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And you know, like, whoare you know, what's the deal here?
And that was the first my triggerresponse to that question. But you
know, he was the doctor inthe room, and I, you know,
was they're open and you know,hoping to learn something I didn't know.
And I realized in that moment,oh my god, it's possible that,

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like I'm actually doing something to contributeto my own pain. Just by
asking that question, he's opening thisdoor to the possibility that maybe something I'm
doing is contributing to the pain I'mexperiencing. And in that moment, I
went from complete victimhood to my painto empowerment, feeling like I actually have

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you know, some power here whereI was I had any right that was
really powerful. So so yeah,that's where that the scene to that got
started, was in that that littlemoment where he brought that in and I
and I realized after I sat therefor a minute, he said. The

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next thing he said, which wasequally as powerful, was don't judge the
moment. And I thought, tomy just again, you know, total
chronic pain, victimy mode. Thething that went through my mind was,
dude, I'm just sitting here,minding my own business, you know,
trying to like figure out my spacein this place. I didn't know anybody

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in the room, you know,minding my own business. I'm not doing
I'm not doing anything, you know. He's like, I just didn't think
I was doing anything, and Ididn't think I was judging anything at all.

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And then all of a sudden,I realized, you know, this
is all going through my mind.At about three seconds, then I realized,
oh my goodness, I've been judgingmy pain as bad my whole life.
You know, I've been judging mypain as bad all my life.
And so when I'm having a painexperience, my attitude is I have to

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fight with this thing because it's bad. And so he's saying, don't judge
the moment, and I'm judging mypain. He meant my pain by the
moment. He meant the pain.I mean, because my first experience was
like, I'm not judging anything.I'm just sitting here listening to you.
But he meant my pain, andI was like, oh my goodness,
no, wonder that's how I know. That was the beginning of me understanding

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that's how I'm contributing to my painby just labeling it as a bad experience.
Where pain is actually, you know, when you come to it from
a straight up clinical kind of youknow, biological system, and I have
a biology background, biological system approach. It's just information in the system.

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It doesn't it's not good or bad. It just is and it's information.
And the question is what are yougoing to do with the information? Well,
I had spent all those years,you know, calling it bad and
fighting with it. That's what Iwas doing with the information, where really
it's just the body giving me asignal that you need to do something different.

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I, like I said, power. There's one of the big things
that I think people don't realize iswhen you have pain, when you have
a lot of you know, mentalhealth issues, whatever issues you might have,
you might feel powerless, feel completelysubmissive, whatever's going on. And

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I want to be like your biggestcheerleader and say, yeah, but you
can do that. You can youcan. I always say you can take
back your power. So you feellike you lost your power, you can
take back your power. So whenyou say that you're responsible or your healing,

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mean what that means hearing you right? That you you can take back
control and take that power. Isthat? Would you agree with that?
Yeah? I think we have tobe a little bit For me, I'd
have to careful about what I meantby those words. But when I when
I and I'll put it in thecontext of what we're talking about. When

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I feel like that I'm the victimof the pain and it's doing it to
me, OK, then I've lostany power. I have no purchase in
that landscape. I've got no grounding. I'm just at it's whim or what
doctor Prescott brought in was like,well, you know you have a role

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in this. You know your reactionto the pain alone of that, right,
that's that's just adding to the tothe fire, you know. So
the question is can I and becareful here because it's it's it's not it's
a it's a kind of a verydifficult to teach this. I can kind

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of speak about it and people cantry. I can try and create an
opening so people can have an experienceof it. It's very hard to I
feel like it's hard to teach.So I'm having an experience of a lot
of sensation in the Body's just takethe pain word out of it and and
call it a lot of an intensesensation, And it's a signal from the

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body saying like, whatever you're doingright now, you know, do something
different because you know we're in healingmode and you know if you keep doing
this, you're going to be movingin a in a more destructive direction.
So so the idea there is tonot fight the pain, and that that's

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I just said something very profound.Don't fight the pain when are when are
our first really instinct is to fightit for many reasons that I could get
into that later, but our firstinstinct is really just like we don't like
it, and we're going to getan attitude and I'm going to fight it.
So I discovered after I went throughdoctor Peter's program I had and I

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learned all his tools and everything.I had a chance to practice him.
I came home and I got aI woke up one morning and I had
a I had a headache and somethinglike a muscle in my neck had gone,
you know, spasms or something.I had this massive headache and I
kind of went from a sleep andeverything was fine to awaken like there's a

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ten alarm fire going off my head. And I had enough space in my
consciousness to kind of watch my reactionand this is what I did. Oh
my god, I'm in pain.First of all, it's a freak out.
First thing, breaked out. Secondthing, Oh, I remember when

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I had this before because it wasfamiliar to me. Thirteen I did was
I got to see my chiropractor toget my neck back together. And and
and you know, wow, whathappened there? Right. The first thing
was I experienced a sensation. Ihad a judgment about it. Oh my

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god, I'm freaking out. SoI judged it as bad, which is
my old habit. We all doit. And then the next thing I
did was I referenced the past andI got out of the present moment.
I went immediately to the past andcompared it and freaked out again. So

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I just added more pain into thewhole situation. I just added more negative
pain into it. And then Idisempowered myself by saying I got to go
see a doctor to help me withthis, thinking like, I have no
power here. It's got me right. So I went into this old habit
and I happened to see myself dothat, and I realized, wow,

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you know, I'm just freaking myselfout here. And I just have pulled
muscle and im and so I Ikind of laughed at myself and and was
grateful that I had the tools,the first of awareness, and second that
I had done this time tripping thingand that and that, and that I
had some power in this space.Right. It was prior to that,

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before I went into Peter's program,I didn't think I had any power in
the in the pain space. WellI do. And so I stopped and
I blongely breathing, and you knowwhat, I stopped fighting with the pain.
I just allowed the pain to bewhat it was, thinking it's information
in the system, the systems tryingto process it. Get the mind out

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of the way, breathe right,And I did that, and you know
what happened. That pain was gonein five minutes. Oh yeah. So
I can so relate to that becauseyou know, if you think about it,
you think about it, you knowexactly the way it happens. And

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so when you are experiencing pain,your mindset change. All we talk about,
well, if someone has a pain, what can they they do?
Yes, love, that's that's aperfect question. After what we just talked

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about. So there's a hierarchy tohealing. There's an actual hierarchy first the
nervous system. Then we want asense of some kind of connection to ourselves,
to another person, to higher power, some kind of connection. Then
we can learn, Then we canreason. But if I'm freaked out,

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I actually don't have access to mypre puntal cortex for the reasoning part of
the brain. I'm just in theback brain freaking out, fight flight shut
down, one of those free Sothe first thing I have to do is
notice, I'm just regulated, I'mactivated. My nervous system's upset, I'm
in sympathetic, and that's kind ofwhat the state of the nervous system is

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at that point. And my jobthere is to breathe because the breath,
the mind follows the breath, andthe nervous system takes its cue from what
the breast's doing, which I thinkis a really powerful teaching and tool because
when I have a sharp pain andI do that, what am I doing?

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I'm holding my breath, right,That's what we do in the and
so we're telling the nervous system it'sin fight flight protect mode, where you
can't protect and connect at the sametime. And the second run on the
hierarchy of healing is connection. Sothe first thing you have to do is

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let the breath out, is usethe breath as a tool to let the
nervous system know that it's actually safeand it's not under threat and it doesn't
need to protect. And it mighttake three minutes of long deep breathing or
just left nostril, long deep breathingthrough the left nostril, just nice,
calm, long deep breath with thatexhale as long or longer than the inhale,

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and then you'll feel the nervous systemsstart to calm, and then you'll
feel then you're back connected, andyou're not. Because what I do when
I get like that all activated,I tend to just like dissociate. I'm
just like I try and get outof my body as fast as possible.
That's my old habit. I'm justlike, I don't want to be here
and I food. So as soonas I bring in the breath and the

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nervous system starts to calm, thenI reconnect to myself. I might reach
out to another person and coregulate wehelp each other, or I'm just maybe
you send a prayer out to myhigher power kind of thing. But I'm
connected to me and I'm connected toyou know something, you know, a

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friend, the creator of all thatis something like that. Then I can
what happened, what's just happened.Then I can reason with like what was
that you know that pain or whatever? What caused that? You know?
So so understanding that there's a hierarchyto healing. First regulate, then connect

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sense of belonging, and then youcan reason your way through that. That
that's a helpful understanding. Yeah right, great, I love that. I
love that. I know when I'vehad my struggles, I mean, the
secret of the things that have happenedto me. I remember what a therapist

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said to me about focus on yourbreathing. There's something called there's all different
ways to focus on your breathing.There's fox breathing. There's the four for
four methods where you inhale, whereyou're smelling the roses ex sale and you're
in yale before selling the roses Xsale, you're blowing out the birthday candles

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and I haven't reached this point yet. You're supposed to blow it up four
minutes or something like that. Wow, that's the long exhale, long exhale.
But so the whole goal is justyou know, similar is that you
when you're in the moment, yourealize you're in the moment and then you
start you step away to focus onyour breathing. And you know what I

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really want to like about how thiswhole topic is you're not only helping people
with their healing journey, you knowprocess, but you've also experienced it too.
So one just quickly touch base onyour experience and what your you know,

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what happened to you. I thinkpeople would be would totally get that
what happened to me was the painsmy tame situation. Yeah. Yeah,
like can you talk about can youtalk about here you were and you were

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when you were when you have experiencewith your pain because you talk about having
things happened when you were a lotyounger. M. Yeah, so I
had. I had. I hada history really of chronic pain, right
uh, starting with my childhood andand I didn't know what to call it,

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and nobody taught me how to breathe. But I learned to live with
it. And so that when Ireally actually hurt myself because I actually broke
a vert brain in my back inmy low back when I was fourteen,
when I at that point, Iwas so used to kind of a fairly
high level of pain, like allthe time that I walked away from that

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accident. It hurt, but Iwalked away from the accident. And because
I walked away, even though Iwas in pain, I was physically able
to walk, and I figured Iwas okay. I had a broken fifth
love bar that I didn't. Ididn't I would. I'll just give you
an example of how much of akind of a background chronic pain situation I

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had by the time that accident happened. I just didn't even realize I hurt
that it wasn't. It wasn't likeyou know, I know, I remember
going home from going home from thataccident and I'm walking in and I told
my dad, I, you know, I fell up my horse that day

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and kind of hurt my back.And we never had an X ray because
I was so I was so disaffectiveemotionally, I didn't. I didn't that
I really hurt myself. I wasnot. That was just not in my
world. It wasn't safe to emoteand really express myself. It just wasn't

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safe. So I didn't. AndI'm really too bad because nobody caught the
he didn't catch the uh, thedanger there and I and I walked around
with a broken vertebra for fourteen yearsbefore it had surgery. And then I
had surgery, and then then thepain got crazy bad because then the opiates

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and the benzodiazepines started, and itwas just the surgery just anyway it was.
It was a mess. The doctorsdidn't know. They knew that chronic
pain was a thing, but theydidn't know how to treat it, and
they didn't really understand what's happening inthe brain. They just they just didn't

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have that understanding. So they gaveme opiates and any anxiety medicine to cope
with them, and said, youhave to learn to live with this for
the rest of your life. You'regoing to be in level seven out of
ten, page twenty four to sevenfor the rest of your life in a
wheelchair when you're forty. Learned andlive with it. And I was like

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shocked, It's like, this ismy life. But I had a science
background and that was my saving grace. I really I felt and I knew
that scientific paradigms shifted, and Iknew that the doctors were operating in a

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scientific paradigm, and they shift.And I also understood from that statement,
because I was trained as a basicscience researcher, I knew from that statement,
you will be. I knew thatthey'd forgotten their basic science because science
is not about facts, it's aboutprobabilities. So they were That was a

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mistake when they said that. Manyof them said it. That was a
mistake they made. They should havesaid you the probability is. They didn't
say that. They said you will, so they didn't leave any room for
hope. And this is why Icome on these podcasts again and again and
again to bring this message, becausethat's a dishonest statement. It's just a

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it's a misunderstanding of the of theterritory. And and you have to leave
the window open for hope. Youcan't be so, you can't be so
sure of yourself that you know everything. And then and sit in front of
a patient to say that. That'swhy I say, it's a misunderstanding.

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They made a mistake, So yousee so and and and finally, and
I and I kept, I keptand I and I knew that that was
happening, and I knew I wasgoing to have to look outside of the
scientific paradigm, the current understanding.I knew I was going to have to
look outside of that to find myanswer or or have something else with it.

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And when I found doctor Peter Prescottmany years later, he was trained
as a Western doctor, but healso had Eastern training, so he was
a cheekang healer, and he understoodI got into like all kinds of yoga
and meditate. I was already doingmeditation, and I got into a massage

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therapy in chigang and reggie and andacupuncture and lots of other things that kind
of looking around. But Peter putit all together in his program where he
brought in Eastern and Western and andand some and some cognitive behavioral therapy,
and he really understood the nature ofkind of pain and schools right went right

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in there. And and I mean, like I said that question that he
asked, what are you doing touh to contribute to your pain? That
he that was his, that washis that was his lead, that his
leaden. And he had me,you know, because I realized that I
might have some power here where.Prior to that, I didn't think I

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had any power at all. Ye. Wow, Wow, it's amazing you
know, al well, time towrap it up. And I feel like
it that you and I could probablyhave a conversation for like two hours five
minutes. There are a lot ofI really like if talk about what pain

(37:44):
is and living in the moment andyou know, what are you doing for
your pain and power, and thenyou also talk about your experience, so
you you known you have empathy forthose who are suffering from chronic pain,
and you also uh help breathing andthings that people people can do as you're

(38:12):
John, I'm probably mispronouncing. Therea yoga gratitude journal. I saw their
meditation. These are all things thatI have also started doing. It's kind
of new in the process lives.Lives get so busy and what goes on
that I think that people can kindof forget that you can take some moments,
those uh you know, those momentswhere you can participate in activity that

(38:37):
are going to definitely help you.So, do you have any final words
about chronic pain? Anyone who's sufferingmaybe feels that the situation is h Yeah.
I get that question a lot becausethis is a space where we were

(38:58):
definitely touching the helplessness, so thatyou have to ask for help. It's
one of the hardest things that achronic pain patient could ask someone in chronic
pain. And why is that becausewe've been let down so many times,
the letdown disappointment of oh my god, it's here again, and the judgment

(39:22):
you heard the judgment like, ohmy god, here the pain is still
here. Right, there's so muchlet down there. It can be.
It doesn't necessarily have to be onI'm just bringing it in and recognizing and
acknowledging everyone listening. It can bevery difficult to ask for help because you
know maybe they'll say no, andwe don't want more let down, so

(39:43):
ask for help. Right, That'sa really important you really want to get
with doctors and that understand integrated painmanagement. You want to get in a
pain management program. I'm a greatcoach in that space. I'm not a
doctor or therapist, but I'm agreat coach in that space because I know

(40:04):
the way, and I know thelanguage, and I understand the physiology and
all that stuff I just don't have. I'm just not a doctor, writer,
or a therapist. So ask forhelp. And then the other thing
is you you really need to allowyourself the luxury of opening your mind.

(40:32):
I know, for me, itwas like, this is my lot,
and this is where I'm stuck,and oh my god, how am I
going to get out? And andI, you know, it doesn't feel
good and and and it still doesn'tfeel good, and I don't know how
to get out. And it's justthis, you know, very difficult space.
And I and my my own,my own belief system got in the

(41:00):
way. And I'll give you anexample of how I opened my place that
opened my mind. I had migrainesfor seven years in this forty year crime
paint experience in Migraine. Seven years, and I couldn't and they just would
they just hit me and I andI couldn't find the pattern of like when

(41:21):
it just that the only pattern wasthere was no pattern, and it was
den it was it was really difficult. And I remember the last time I
had a migraine, I was lyingin my bed. It's a dark room,
it's quiet, and goodness. Ihad a place in the house that

(41:44):
was like that, and I was, you know, fighting the pain,
and and I heard this, Iswear it was God, you know,
divine voice, whatever you want tocall that. Elizabeth. Clearly, what
you're doing is not working. Whynot try a contrary action? And I

(42:06):
was like, okay, what wouldthat even be? Yeah? And the
contrary action was stop fighting with thepain and stop right And I was like,
okay, Like you got me.And I stopped fighting and I never

(42:27):
had another migraine. That headache thatmy brain went away, my nervous system
calmed down. I never had anothermigraine. I still had more work to
do around clearing the chronic pain habitthat I had, but man, that
was a powerful teaching Yeah, sotry a contrary action. Whatever you're doing
is clearly not working, so trysomething different. Yeah, thank you so

(42:52):
much. So if people want tobuy your book reach out to you,
how do they go about doing that? Sure, yes they can. You
can find my book on Amazon,but you can also find find me on
my website, which is Elizabeth witha hyphen between my first and last name,
Elizabeth HYPHENKIP dot com k I PP. And if you want an

(43:15):
autographed copy, you can you can. It's from my website. You can
book a session with me. I'vegot a free fifteen minute consultations so you
can sign up for that. Youknow, I've got I do n sister
clearing. I do addiction recovery andI and I do coaching for people that
are trying to hear from chronic pain. That's my area. Elizabeth hyphenkip dot

(43:38):
com. You can find me onsocial media too. I great, thank
you. I already know two peopleI'm gonna report you for that consult maybe
more. You know, I reallywant to thank you so much for being
on the Healing Light podcast and reallyappreciate you open my eyes. I'm sure

(44:00):
you've opened my listeners. I ina completely new way of thinking about product
gain and I believe that you reallygive people hope. I think people need
hope in this world. They reallyneed to feel like they have something today
that they can believe in, andI believe that you offer that. So

(44:21):
thank you very much. Any lastthought, Well, I would like to
say one thing. Thank you somuch for having me as a guest.
You know, I give twenty percentof the responsibility from my healing to the
entire health community like doctors, nurses, therapists, whatever, and the other

(44:44):
eighty percent is between me and thehealing intelligence and every cell in my body.
So I understand that the twenty percentersthey're giving you guidance and it's up
to me. The eighty percent isup to me and this intelligence to apply

(45:07):
the information that the guidance gives me, to apply it and then get out
of the way and let the healinghappen. That we have this incredible healing
intelligence inside of us. Yeah,that's that's how I break that down.
Hopefully that's helpful too. Yeah,absolutely, thank you. Once again,
I wish everyone very wonderful Sunday eveningand have a great night. Thank you,

(45:34):
Thank you so much. Channe