Big Picture Thoughts on IU Men's Basketball [340]

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It's been a frustrating season for the men's basketball team, as IU sits 68th in the NET rankings on the morning of January 28th. In year four, Mike Woodson has seen his team lose several games by large margins, as well as see one slip away vs. Maryland at home.
What are the underlying issues with IUBB? Who are some of the hot coaching names we'd like to see Scott Dolson pursue?
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
II fans. Let's face it, with the men's basketball team,
things have been crazy. Things have been chaotic, things have
been dramatic, And I think it's high time that Matt
and I sort of gave our thoughts on the state
of the program. Where is this vaunted historic team now?

(00:29):
How can they get better? Because I know the record
is fourteen and seven and they're five and five in
league play, but we all know there's another level or
two that this VU men's basketball team can reach. So
Matt and I are gonna discuss the program, our thoughts
on Mike Woodson. We're not gonna dive too deep into
game by game stuff. This is big is a big
picture podcast. We're gonna be talking about big picture thoughts

(00:53):
and so much more here on the three hundred and
fortieth episode of The Hoosier Sound. Where we are the
official podcast Indiana HQ. I'm your host Nithan Christian. Along
with me is my co host Matt Lukens. Matt again,
the record's not terrible. Indiana has taken care of business
and a couple of road games this year in league play,

(01:15):
but a lot of lobsided losses and I think, frankly
I agree with everyone else out there who thinks, yeah,
at the end of the season, it's high time that
Mike Woodson goes and Indiana finds a different voice at
head coach. Is that how you see it as well?
And if so, like, where do you think? Where do
you think this went wrong? Because I was excited when

(01:36):
I you hired Woodson back four years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I was underwhelmed when they hired Woodson. TBHV wanted them
to hire a more college ready head coach. But then
I was, I was. I was brought on board when
they brought over Thadmata to help her run the program right.
And what have we seen since he's left. Well, Fadmota

(02:02):
leaves for Butler after traces last year, I believe, and
since then, we had a terrible off season last last
last off season where we added zero guards.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
And everybody we we we we lost on a ton
of people that would have really helped this this last
year's team, and they just they swung and they missed
on their targets and we had to fight uphill last
year with a starting backcourt for most of the year

(02:38):
with Gabe Cups in it.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Which, don't get me wrong, I love Gabe Cups. But
he's not starting worthy clearly, and he's not even playing
this year. So I mean, that's just gonna show you
how ready he is to play. And now this year
we go into an off season and we hit on

(03:00):
what I think was all of our targets. Right, you
go and you go and get two guys that coach
jaw is familiar with, both guards. You go and you
get the number one He wasn't really a number one transfer,
but the number one safe transfer in ballow You knew
exactly what you're going to get out of him, big
time player from a big time program in Arizona. You

(03:23):
spend about five million nil and this is the end product.
And at the end of the day, fans are not
happy with how last season went, and the sentiment this
year was, look, he asked, Woodson has to have a
good year or it's a bust. And so far, even

(03:45):
though we're sitting at what is it, fifteen and seven, yeah,
fourteen seven, fourteen and seven, we're sitting at fourteen and seven,
which on a normal year we'd be like, okay, like
let's just get a couple of wins down the stretch
or what ever. But this is coming off the back
of if we've lost four of the last five, including

(04:07):
three blowout losses, and and our only win was a
miracle survive against Ohio State, who tbh, is not really
that good either. You get blown off your your home
court against Illinois. You you lose at Northwestern in a
game that was just super underwhelming and they gave it away.

(04:30):
And then you lose close at home to a Maryland
in a game in which and in a final final
four minutes in which you should have clutched up and
you had play opportunity to do so, did not, and
then lost to Iowa. I mean, there was a lot
of promise going into this year, and clearly all of
that is gone. That's why I'm talking like I have

(04:52):
no hope left. But it's it's kind of true. I
have no hope for this team. There. They've killed every
fiber of hope that I had. I had a little
bit during that Maryland game. I thought, how you could
have recovered. Really the season was on last game, and
I'm serious about that. If they had recovered, they would
have been six and four in the conference with a

(05:13):
couple of really rough games coming up, but a chance
to go above five hundred or hover around five hundred
in the conference, get a win or two in the
Big Ten tournament, and hope that the rest of the
Big Ten teams do well enough to kind of boost
your resume up and sneak into the tournament. And you
know what's funny, the team could still sneak in the tournament. Yeah,

(05:37):
as things stand, but there's gonna have to be a major, major,
major epiphany from the team to fix that. There's going
out to be a changing of the tide that we
haven't seen so far this year or haven't even been
able to see them accomplish that.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
And I know what was happening during the Maryland game,
right because they came back and they showed some backbone
and they showed some spine, and people cared, and everyone
on social media and everyone at Assembly Hall is like,
we see something a little different with this team compared
to the previous games. And it was like an astronomic

(06:22):
level of crumble too. I mean, you just totally whiffed
the final twenty seconds and there's a foul to give
and the team doesn't give him the foul and then okay,
Maryland hits a three to take the lead and Miles
Rice gets the inbound patch. Let's go, let's move it
across the timeline, and Woodson says, oh, no, stop. I

(06:45):
don't want to trust my point guard that I brought
here to do something spontaneously the last second of the game.
Let me call time out. And when he calls time out,
you drop two plays that have zero shot. I mean,
there are some plays that you just tip cap to
good defense. Apparently the better late game strategy is to

(07:07):
just let Caleb Love shoot a fifty five foot three
at the buzzer, and that would have been a more
that would have been a better chance of scoring a
basket transfer target. Yeah, well there's another one, and then
again that would have that would have given you a
better chance of winning that game against Maryland, letting whoever
Galloway shoot a fifty five foot three compared to whatever

(07:28):
happened on those last two possessions. I'm not I'm not
gonna sit here and just like hate on Mike Woodson
and like disrespect him and disgrace him. Like as far
as being the head coach at IU, like, let's let's
just say one thing. Uh, no, matter what happens, he
will never have a twenty point home loss to Indiana

(07:50):
State or IPFW on his resume, So things things like
things over the course of four years were all right,
they just were below expectation. And you were talking so
much about like all these swings and misses in recruitment,
and then you talked about hits and recruitment. And then

(08:11):
when you're kind of a middle of the road average
basketball team and both outcomes, you kind of wonder what
exactly you're trying to accomplish as the head coach at IU.
And let's face it, right, over the last two years,
Indiana has been the hundredth best basketball team in the
country and like the sixty fifth best basketball team in

(08:32):
the country, and that's not good enough.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
That's obviously not good enough. Woodson was hired. Let's not
get it twisted, all right, Woodson. Woodson was hired to
stabilize the program.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I don't think anybody really thought that he was going
to win a national title with IU. I don't think
anybody thought he was going to get IU into the
top ten consistently. But the point was to make the
NCAA tournament for every single year that he's here, to
kind of get the program back on track. Now he

(09:08):
hasn't done that, right, but a lot of other factors
have put the program in a pretty decent spot. To
be honest, I mean, it's weird saying that given how
the results in the court are going, But it's the
off the court stuff that has really propelled this program
into a spot that is a little bit unprecedent since

(09:32):
the since since Night has retired, well, actually, uh, since
we fired Kelvin Sampson, that that is where it's at.
Because back, all right, let's let's let's take a trip
back in time. Night retires, well, Night gets forced out, right, Night,
Night leaves, not retires, Night leaves right, Night is forced out.

(09:54):
The players refuse to let anybody else coach the team,
but coach Davis. Right, Yeah, okay, that's fine the players
at that point of the power, you need to have
some players in the program. You can't. You gotta have
some sort of good will. Mean, the fans didn't really
want Night to leave, then you definitely don't want the

(10:15):
players to leave. If Davis comes in, you get a
Final four, you get a championship game birth, and then
it falls off the mat, right, Okay, cool? That was
at that point I used job was among the five
or six best jobs in college basketball. So you go
and get one of the five or six best young
coaches in college basketball. You go and get Kelvin Sampson.

(10:35):
He comes in. To be honest, he did a great job.
Other than you know, the NBA violations and the program.
The program isn't a point where they they they can't
handle the edge DOUBLEA being on their back again after
what happened with night Right, so that you have to
fire them. All right, I'm sure a lot of you

(10:57):
are like, dude, you're just you're telling me what I
already know. I'm saying from that point in which we
fired Galvin Sampson and we we put we self imposed
the scholarship regulations and all the stuff around the program
that we did to avoid a significant NCAA penalty, since
that point, the job has not been in the top

(11:19):
ten as far as jobs goes. It might have been fifteen,
it might have been twelve, but it hasn't been inside
the top ten jobs where you can go and anybody
can win here. You know, the the you know, whether
it was you know, the local programs, like you could
say having a better time. Perdue's been having a better

(11:39):
time of it. The Big Ten hasn't really won recently,
so you know, you're kind of in a crappy conference
and you lose the Kentucky series, right, so the job
hasn't really been in the spot. The Kentucky series is back,
all right, We're playing Kentucky next year.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I think I believe. Double check.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
But yeah, double check. Either next year or in two years,
we're playing Kentucky again. We've been invited to go to
the Bahamas and we've in the past gone to Mali.
So there's opportunities to do in season tournaments. And the
most important part is the NIL part. I I believe

(12:21):
had the biggest off season spend in n i L
by far in college basketball. I might be wrong on that,
but it's at least top five, and that that's effect.
I think. I think it's number one as far as
net spend on ni L this offseason to get players in,

(12:42):
which means that anybody that gets hired here next year
has the tools at their disposal to the cupboard is
more than the cupboard is exploding. And especially if you
if you if you can give the new coach or

(13:02):
if you hire a new coach, and I'm say, if
you can give the fans hope and you can hire
a new coach that they're willing to back, you think
five million was a lot of money. I'm there's there's
a significant amount of donors that that I know in
my time working at the alumni department at IU and
working at the you know, the athletic department at IU

(13:23):
when I was there on campus, I know some people
that would love to give some money to the program
to to get a winning team next year. So there's
people who will bring up coaches and and bring up
prosper prospective coaches.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
And we're going to do that too.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
And we're going to do that too. But I I
want you guys to take the expectation and up it.
Yeah five percent. I'm not taking Okay, shoot shoot for
the movie. Shoot for the movie. Brad Stevens is the move. Okay,
we're not getting Brad Stevens. I refuse to even even

(14:04):
take the fantasy that.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
We will get bread of this guy for the Clouds.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
But the one step lower, you certainly can go get
a top five coach in the country to come here.
I don't think Naoates is out of the question, especially
if you pay that buyout and you make him a
high paid coach and you give him the nil for it.
That's not I don't I don't think that's crazy to me.
You're going to bring up your guy Atzelburger, which is

(14:32):
also my guy, which is my number one choice. I
don't think there's anything that Iowa State could do to
keep him if you really wanted him. You have that
economic muscle to go and do that. Oh, by the way,
you also have a football program that just made a
quick ton of money, and so of course you want

(14:52):
to spend most of the money on football. Don't get
me wrong, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying you have.
You have an extra revenue stream now. So where basketball
was giving money to help the football program exist, now
the football program can either be self efficient, self sufficient,
or even help the basketball program.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh yeah, a little bit at his composition that women's
team to say.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
That it's all working hand in hand right now, and
it's all creating a perfect storm where I you could
go out and get one of the five best coaches
in the countria.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I look, I'm not saying Bill self is leaving Kansas,
but like I'm not opposed I'm not opposed to making
him say no. Right, I'm not opposed to going and
and and going. Uh, you know, Billy Donovan like go
make Billy Donovan say no, go make I'm just throwing

(15:45):
nom hey, look that have been I mean, you know,
around the coaching business, there are.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
A couple of things I don't want though. I don't
want a mid major coach and I don't want an
NBA coach. In other words, I want to power five guy,
whether it's a high major, your head coach or assistant,
come to Indiana. I don't know, you're like, or you
told me what a high major assistant over Ben McCollum,
kind of like, I don't. Look, I'm not going to

(16:10):
rage if Indiana fires. I'm sorry if Indiana hires Ben McCollum.
But at the same time, like, I want to see
someone It's literally the first thing you said, Man, I
want to see someone come in with seasoned college basketball experience,
and even if it's not like guy in his fifties
or sixties, a guy that knows what it's like to
play in power conference basketball where you have two tough

(16:35):
games a week or four Quad one games, you know,
six or seven quad one games in a month, and
most of them are on the road, right, And that's
what tj oottzil Berger gives you. That's what someone like
Chris Beard or Will Wade or Lamont Paris give you.
I love, I love what I'm seeing out of tj

(16:57):
Ottzellberger at Iowa State. I mean, for him to take
that program from I mean, there were awesome during the
days of Fred Hoiberg. I mean they were really musty
TV and then they sort of hit a wall and
you kind of wonder, hey, you know, how much can
you really do at Iowa State in a tough conference?
And tj Otzelberger's answered that question resound in resounding fashion.

(17:21):
I mean, they go out, they add teams like Arizona
to the Big Twelve. You know, you know, Houston is
an amazing program added to the league. And again, if
we weren't for a Caleb Love fifty five foot three
point and we're talking about Iowa State probably staying in

(17:42):
the top three. I hope they stay in the top three.
If not, they should be two or one. If they
go to Tucson and win that game last night by
getting a little bit of a little bit of fortune, lucky,
a little bit of a little bit of fortune. But
you know you talked about I can't remember, but you
know I might. You know, Micah Shrewsbury is someone I
would be interested in talking to against somebody with Penn

(18:05):
State experience, Notre Dame experience. You know, I would be very,
very willing to have a conversation with him. I am
a huge fan of Buzz Williams at A and M.
I think he I was gonna.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Say, I was gonna say, Buzz Williams is a name
that I haven't seen thrown around.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
But I don't hate if he's not really feeling it
at A and M. If he feels like, hey, you
know what, I've had some good years here, but maybe
the best I can do is sixteenth in the country
or thirteenth in the country or tenth in the country
and a second weekend trip. And he wants to shoot
for the stars, like be my guest. Bruce Pearl's name

(18:40):
has been thrown out previously. Shaka. You know, Shaka's been
around for a long time with power conference coaching experience.
Casting a wide net is a must here, and I
think Indiana needs to talk to people with head coaching
experience and power conference basketball, because even though Woodson was
an NBA guy, I thought his biggest mistake was bringing

(19:03):
over a bunch of loyal yes men to serve as
assistant coaches after getting rid of Dane Fife. Right, Dane
Fife on the bench was a very valuable contributor. I
don't know all the details from behind the scenes, but
I certainly know that Woodson and Dane Fife were largely

(19:25):
helpful in getting Trace Jackson Davis from good to great
or from great to legendary, right, Like, that makes sense
to me. You cannot play Big ten basketball with zero
guys on your bench. Like, and I'm talking head coach
and assistants. I'm not talking about Calbert Chaine. I'm not
talking about Jordan Halls. I'm not talking about people who

(19:48):
are doing executive administrative stuff behind the scenes, the DOBO
and the this and the that. I'm talking about your
head coach and your assistants have to have college basketball.
Someone's got to have college basketball head coaching experience or else.
What happens is what you saw at the end of
the Maryland game. And that's that's why, that's the that's
the consequence.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I mean you're you're absolutely right. You hit you hit
the nail of the head. I would I'd give a
strong ass offer to will Wait, a strong ass offer.
I mean, imagine what he could do if he didn't
have to just buy all of his players illegally. You
can just buy them legally.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Now, No, for sure that you can. You can do
that now, I mean, Chris Beard. Look, I can understand
if you want to just completely cross him off the list.
I get it. If you want to just say the.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
University never hiring him, I want I want every podcast
listener to listen to me. He is. Look it, don't
do this. Innocent until proven guilty. The charges were dropped.
Red flags, there are extreme red flags all over that situation.

(21:01):
The university is already in hot crap with Yeah, a
lot of different going around. I'm telling you, they ain't
gonna hire him. You just just just that's one of
the it just crossed it off, Louis. It's he's not
even getting a call. Okay, he's not getting a call.

(21:23):
It's not happening. That's just that that will never happen.
How you will never do that.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, we're gonna talk a lot more about Woodson here
big picture thoughts on where this program is in just
a sec. But first it's time for who won the
week this past week in i U Sports, And my god,
I think there's only one person we can really tip
our catty here, and that is kelll Aware, who goes
to Miami in the middle of the first round and

(21:48):
he's got to earn his minutes, he's got to earn
his playing time, and that's all he does. He just
goes out there, does what his coach wants him to do.
And then with Jimmy Butler throwing a tantrum and other
injuries on the Heat, where has not only grown a
step or two or developed a step or two, he's
not a favorite for NBA Rookie of the Year after

(22:09):
putting together a string of outstanding performances in January, most
recent of which came yesterday when the Heat knocked off
Orlando in overtime, where played forty two minutes, nineteen points,
ten rebounds, just doing everything that you envisioned him doing
in the NBA because of his great situation with the
Miami Heat. And this is, you know, tied back to

(22:32):
what's kind of disappointing with this Woodson era. It's like
you had major wins with Trace Jackson Davis and major
wins with kelll Where, but the results overall just aren't
there at this point. So Kelllware gets to shout out
just an outstanding first half of the season so far
with the Miami Heat. He definitely won the week this

(22:52):
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such as yourself. But yeah, we were talking about how
like collel Where, right, it's a huge win for this program,
Tray Jackson Davis going out and getting Miles Rice and

(23:15):
Lou Goody and Umar Ballo and recruitment. Yet you're seeing
what you're seeing this season where it's not just seven losses.
It's a lot of blowout, lopsided losses. Again, the Northwestern
one would have been worse if it weren't for a
flurry if threes at the end. Yet, I look at
the AP top twenty five right now, the best team

(23:36):
Indiana has lost to is Illinois at number eighteen. Yeah,
it's not like Indiana is going to the number one
team in the country and losing games. It's not like
Indiana is going to a top five team and losing games,
not like Indiana is hosting a top ten team and losing.
Right Like, Indiana is having a tough time competing with

(23:59):
teams that are probably gonna be four or five, six,
seven seeds in the NC DOUBLEA Tournament, teams that are
in the bottom half of the AP top twenty five.
And it's just more and more and more evident that
this staff as assembled doesn't have answers to win consistently
in the big ten. And I'm just sitting here right

(24:21):
and like there's still seems to be kind of an
unwarranted cockiness around the program. And there are just some
basic requirements to even compete for an NC Double Attorney
bid or a league title, just basic fundamentals. And as
I think back to the Woodston era, I feel like

(24:43):
there have been just too many defensive breakdowns. I feel
like if Indiana has been really poor at finishing defensive
possessions with a defensive rebound, even going back to the
lost to Miami in the NC DOUBLEA Tournament, where the
Hurricanes accumulate a ton of offensive rebounds in beating the Hoosiers.

(25:04):
What is like, what is responsible for some of these
just awful breakdowns you see where guys are taking open
threes and it's not just a one season thing, it's
a three, four season thing, you know, penns I remember
going to a game at Penn State where the Nickney
Lion said, I think twenty threes in beating Indiana with

(25:25):
Trace Jackson Davis on that, Like just defensive breakdowns, perimeter breakdowns,
rebounding breakdowns, Like what do you think has been largely
responsible for things if you go for those things, if
you can even point to one one.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Cause uh, just a lack of confidence. Yeah, straight, there's
just a lack of confidence around the program when it
comes to just doing the normal basketball things. It's almost
like voodoo, like watching them run around and just watch

(26:01):
them forget the most basic stuff and like, I don't
know if it's they're not working hard or I don't
know if it's like a nerves thing. I don't I
don't know ability nervesparation, a mentality preparation thing. I I
don't know. I'm not I'm not behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Like what would you want to see a new coach
come in here and do differently. I guess that's kind
of where I was going to give the players confidence. Yeah,
give them confidence, like whoever you hire.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, I like, I beg for somebody to be like
Davontae Green. I want somebody to come in here and
have the utmost confidence, like too much confidence. Like you know,
like and you watch, like good teams play basketball. You
watch like we just brought it up, Like, let's bring
up the game that we were both watching last night,
and that's the Iowa State Arizona game, Like I would

(26:55):
love a calable Caleble was one of nine from three
or one of ten before.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
And then absolutely, oh my god, he was gonna get
roasted had that three at the buzzer not gone in,
and then he ends.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Up with like twenty Yeah, because he he's one of
those players that plays and he's not afraid of the moment.
He's not you watch Mike Woodson's afraid of the moment.
That's somebody afraid of the moment. You watched the last
last forty twenty seconds of the Maryland game. You know
you have your you have your star point guard breaking

(27:32):
breaking down the defense, running towards the basket six seconds left.
Trust your players, Trust your players, man, And you know what,
maybe that's the issue. Maybe the coaching staff doesn't trust
their players in them. There's something under that there is
and they're in their head and that's it's that's that's
what am I? What am I trying to find?

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Say?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
That's contagious that that mistrust yours. Your coaching staff doesn't
believe in the players, Then the players start, maybe even subconsciously,
not believing in each other, right, and that just forms
this toxic cloud around playing. You watch guys go, I
know I'm not supposed to shoot this freaking shoot it man,

(28:17):
you're open, dude, like what are we doing here? Or
or you know, you watch guys at the top of
the key and they know they're supposed to pass ball somewhere,
but they just it's a half second of am I
really supposed to do? Is this what we're running? Is
this what we're playing?

Speaker 4 (28:32):
And because like you watch last thing last week, you
watched coaching tap put in Embaco and Goody on that
last possession and they had no idea what was going
on or what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
It's just utter confusion, utter chaos, utter lack of of
of of.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Just just like Crazio thinking yeah, I know, because like
I actually think the one guy who is willing to
sling is Canaan Carlisle.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
And and it shouldn't be that way, right, you know,
you should have Mackenzie Imbacco taking twenty twenty shots a game.
You should be having Louke Goodie firing the basketball up
at every opportunity that he has given his shooting prowess
Umar Ballo, you know, there shouldn't be a There shouldn't
be a half where he doesn't score ten points. I

(29:23):
mean you should be able to get him a touch.
Do the old Tom creen Cody's other rules, you know,
demand that he gets a touch on every single possession.
And it's funny because like you talk about trust, and
I understand, Like I love data, I love numbers. I
love looking at lineup analyses and you know plus minus
and who's doing this and who's doing that, especially when

(29:44):
you adjust for competition and pace and this and that.
Like bringing Luke Goodie off the bench for the Maryland
game was a shocking decision. And I'll I was telling
Aunt right about this friend over on the spaces that
he had during the game. During the second half on Sunday,

(30:07):
and I'm just sitting here and I'm like, the common
sense thing to do is to reward your incoming transfer
who spoke up after the Illinois loss, took the podium
and spoke up after Illinois loss, who had an amazing

(30:28):
game against Ohio State, helped you win on the road
in overtime, hit a big shot at the end, but
was very good for the entirety of that game. It like,
keep him in the starting lineup. I'm sorry, I don't
have a PhD in basketball. I never played collegiately, shocker,

(30:51):
But to take Luke Goodie out of the starting lineup
after what he's done for your program over the last
couple weeks for being one of the few guys, as
one of our followers put it on Indiana HQ, for
being one of the few for one of the guys
that showed any kind of energy and intensity and energy
and enthusiasm over the course of this frustrating season. That's

(31:15):
the guy you're resorting back to the bench. And I'm
not even gonna sit here and say, like starting Malik
Renew is a bad decision. I would have started Malik Renew.
I would have like Maryland's team requires you to start
Malik Renew, but bench anybody else, I mean bench, Imbacco, bench,

(31:39):
you know, bench, Miles Rice, bench, somebody like I'm not
benching Luke Goodie. And it's funny because we asked our
followers that before the game, before the game even tipped
on Sunday, like what would you have done? Would you
have brought would you have put Renew on the bench,
would you have put Mbacco on the bench, or do

(32:00):
you put Goodie on the bench? Because really those are
the main three options for that game against Maryland, and
in lobsided fashion, what came in third place was putting
Louke Goodie on the bench. So here's somebody that hits
open threes, he's somebody. Here's somebody that moves the basket

(32:21):
place in the right spot. You started Anthony Leo for
good reason, for obvious reason. What's going on, Like why
wouldn't you bring Goodie off the bench? And what this
gets me to saying is it feels like, right now,
there are a lot of different motivations, different motives, different incentives,

(32:44):
different intentions. There feels like there are a lot of
politics behind the scenes at Indiana Men's basketball and common
sense is getting sacrificed in several areas. And and I
answered the question, I asked you as far as hey,
like what do I want to see the next coach

(33:06):
bring to Indiana? Right? Like, I want to obviously see
players wear that jersey with pride. I want to see
them play for the institution, not at the institution. However,
what I want the new coach to do is to excise,

(33:27):
is to eliminate all the politics, all the riff raff
of Indiana men's basketball that's gone back for like twenty
thirty years, Like keep it? Can we just keep it
to basketball? And again, like a lot of people are
out here want to follow the Kurt Signetti playbook to
find the next head men's basketball coach at IU. And

(33:48):
I get that mindset, but basketball is a wildly different
sport than college football.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
You know, nobody you hire is going to bring in
four start from a mid major team and carry it
over and copy paste it to a power conference basketball team.
That's not what's gonna happen. But what Kurk, what Kurt
Signetty did best with the IU football program is eliminate

(34:15):
the noise from day one He cut out the noise,
he cut out the crap, he cut out the bs,
and he kept it to football. We are gonna work
our tails off relentlessly to put a winning product on
the field. And at the end of the day, we're
not gonna blame external factors. We're not gonna blame officiating.

(34:38):
We're not gonna blame crowd noise. We're not gonna blame whether.
We're not gonna blame strength to schedule or tough opponents
or this that or whatever. We're gonna keep it to
us and our ability to play football, and we're gonna
do common sense things that help us get those wins
that we've gotten to James Madison, we've gotten an Elon,
We've gotten other stops along the way au Pennsylvania. So

(35:00):
like the next coach, I don't care if it's an
underwhelming hire, as long as it's somebody that has seen
power conference college basketball before. What I care about is
that new person comes in with the relentless basketball first mentality.
Because a basketball first mindset means Lou Goody starts against Maryland,

(35:25):
and it means you call timeouts after making threes down
the stretch against Northwestern and it means you have four, five,
six plays ready to go at the end of a
close game against Maryland in case a ball gets knocked
out of bounds and you're not frantically substituting trying to
make things happen. And so I want to see a

(35:49):
new coach come in higher sharp assistance, a strength, a
strength and conditioning bringing a strength and conditioning program that
means our guys don't have dead legs at the end
of day games and can't hit threes. I want to
see an offense that makes common sense. I want to
see a administrative strategy that is common sense. Like there's

(36:11):
been so much noise and as you pointed out, when
we moved on from Archie Miller and brought in Mike Woodson,
it was supposed to steady things. Instead, what we've seen
are swings and misses in the transfer portal. We've seen
conflict with who's your hysterics. We've seen base a fan

(36:32):
base that's frustrated and outwardly booing at Assembly Hall. We've
seen Mike Woodson and fran McCaffrey get into things early
in Woodson's tenure.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Like I like that.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I understand because at that point he had the benefit
of the doubt, right, Woodson had the benefit of the
doubt that's gone over the last couple of seasons. So
I don't know. I know other people want to go
out and get it here as head coach to run
this men's basketball team. But one thing I love about
Kurt Signetti or Terry Morin, it's just about basketball or

(37:10):
it's just about football. Just keep it that way and
you'll be shocked to see the results. Am I crazy?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
No, I've seen some of people jokingly or maybe not
even somewhat joking. You throw out Tom Green's It.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Was a little political with Tom Crean too, to be
fair like, it.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Was very political with Tom creen to be fair like,
let's let's be honest. We fired him. Look, I was
tough there. I was there. I was there at school
when it happened. I wanted them gone to That roster
was way too good to bring in Josh Newkirk for
a point guard. That was that roster was way too

(37:53):
good for the tap of pee anyways, man, and he's
gonna he's gonna find this podcast, just like Justice Smith
found my tweet. Yeah, and I don't need that in
my life. So I'm sorry, Josh, I.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Do shade towards someone random the other day too, and
I like didn't even expect it. Damn just everyone catching
strays unexpectedly.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
No, we're not happy. Okay, I'm not happy. He's not happy.
We're not happy, all right, And and and we're not
happy because this program is supposed suppose I'm not asking for.
I'm not asking for seventeen and three. I'm not asking
for exactly. I'm not asking for a top five team.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
This team is talented enough it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I'm asking for consistent winning and being towards the top
of the big ten. Currently as far as net rating goes,
we're bottom four. We're a five million dollar.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Indiana's been outside of the top sixty for for two seasons.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I'm asking it for inside the top forty. That's what
I'm I'm not. I don't think i'm asking for. I
don't think I'm asking for a lot, to be honest,
and especially with with what I you can bring to
the table monetarily, I don't think it's going to be
that hard to fix it.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
I think it but throwing money at the problem.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Though it's not about throwing money. That was about to
say it's not about throwing money at the problem. This
is about fixing the program as a whole. And and
money can fix a lot of things. But there's something
wrong with the soul of the basketball program. Yeah, the
core of the basketball program. You can go and get
a facelift with as much money as you want, but

(39:44):
if you don't like yourself down here, then none of
that matters. This is this is this is therapy talking
with and this is you know what, this is what,
this is what needed. It's right, this is what the
program needs. The program needs therapy, that's what it needs. Right,
It needs to go talk to somebody. And somebody needs
to go talk to isn't me because I'm not a
licensed therapist, and it's not him either, But but the

(40:10):
fan base's whole needs a good therapy session. Uh, the
the fringe of the fan base needs maybe a mental asylum.
And yeah, yeah, and the program itself needs a nice
long look in the mirror. And again we've gone on

(40:35):
for what is it, almost forty minutes now about the
problems with the basketball program. I could probably rant for
about two hours non stop about this. We're not going
to do that. I will say that if we fire
when we fire Woodson, or maybe it's like and get

(40:56):
rid of at the end of the season. If you
just go and you go get the best basketball coach
money can buy, but then don't fix the behind the
scenes stuff. That guy's gonna I can't curse. That guy
is gonna freaking fail to Okay like that. That guy

(41:17):
isn't gonna last around here all that long. And that's
on Scott Dolson to kind of fix. And I know
Quinn Buckner's on the board of trustees and I'm not
going to point it's getting toxic, all right. Woodson's a
legend of the program. Quinn Buckner's legend of the program.
You gotta and this is going to be Scott Dowson's

(41:40):
hardest job. But you've got to find a way to
convince Woodson to kind of step away peacefully. And you
gotta find a way to tell Quinn Buckner focus on
the Pacers job. You know, like you're gonna have to

(42:00):
find find a way to tell two of the legends
of the program to respectfully mind their own business.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, move Calbery Cheney on up. If you can find
other find other experienced voices from the EU program, they
can provide their input, but like you need some big
picture changes at the very very very top. Yeah, yeah,
lockkeeping Doles.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
By the way, I'd like to point this out there,
and I'm just gonna throw us into the abyss. There's
a lot of very smart basketball people that surround this
basketball program, all right. And there's a lot of very
very very smart basketball people that have been through the
basketball program and in work at many different levels and

(42:48):
many different facets around the game of basketball. When you
look around college basketball and you look around college football
with the portal and ANIL, most teams or a lot
of high level teams have been hiring gms for their program. Yeah,
I think one fix for this program would be to

(43:12):
go and find a guy that has some GM level
experience that's an eye you grad. I'm not going to
throw any names out there because I don't have any
off the top of my head that I can give you.
But I know Lawrence Frank NBA guys, Laurence Frank. That's
a name. I'm not saying hire him. I'm just that's

(43:32):
a name, right you throw There's there's some names of
some people involved, maybe even Mark Cuban. There's a guy
or two that have the ability to be that middleman
between the head coach, the players, and the players and
il collectives and the coach and the administration.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Mike Mike and Norri was the Timberwolves assistant which you
took over after Chris Finch hurt his leg from the
playoffs last year. You know, perhaps that's something he would
want to get involved in. But I know Norry also
has some IU baseball background, so that might be a
little bit different.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
But yeah, like I'm just saying that there's there's gonna
be some people. You gotta get somebody involved, or maybe
if it's multiple people, it's a staff involved to build
build the program the right way and not have the
czar at the top of the program. There's got to
be and I don't even know of people. I don't

(44:33):
know if that's even what's going on.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
It feels like right now there are a lot of
cooks in the kitchen because that's the only thing that
can explain like Lou Goody not starting, or for example,
it's the only thing that can explain Bryce and Tucker
not playing at all.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Again, I think that's something wrong with the staff.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Mayorg it could be you might be wrong.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
You might be. I think I think that's a staff issue,
and I'm saying, you gotta have somebody to hold them accountable.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Well, that's definitely lacking accountability at the top. Is not
there right now, especially when the head coach continues to
say that, you know, the players weren't in the right
spot and the players can execute late plays out of Scott.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Scott Dolson's job is not to babysit the basketball program. Yes,
this program needs a babysitter, is what I'm saying. And
and and a GM or somebody that's you know, you
had ahead of basketball operations right with Fava. Somebody somebody
of that green bring do that job that. Yeah, somebody

(45:33):
of that somebody that can fill a position similar to
that is kind of what this program needs, on top
of another head coach and a whole new staff.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
And what's fascinating is you know, you know that's absolutely right.
And like, the one thing I will say is that
this program's greatest weapon by far, and it's not even close,
is its fan base. And when you lose the fans
by calling a fraction of them fake or not real

(46:04):
or whatever, you've immediately dug your own grave. And I
didn't realize that in real time going back to Senior
Night last year, But like, how is it that a
head coach that played at IU and is from the
state of Indiana is so tone deaf that he alienates

(46:26):
a section of this fan base. And then, by the way,
you turn around this season and ask for their support
and their unwaivered support and making us do better and
stop booing like you have to weaponize this fan base
like Purdue weaponizes Machiarina, or like Duke weaponizes Cameron Indoor Stadium,

(46:50):
or Kansas does the same for Alan Fieldhouse. I mean,
that's how Assembly Hall rolls when the team is good
and things are on the same page. Go back and
watch games before Kelvin Sampson got suspended or in the
peak of the Tom Crean era, or when Archie Miller

(47:12):
had a couple of nice wins early in his time
at IU, including that Marquette game in the non conference.
I mean, the fan base is worth, is invaluable to
this program. You even saw on Sunday in the midst
of this crap, the fan base starts roaring at Assembly

(47:37):
Hall and starts getting behind this team and starts fueling
this thirteen point swing from going down ten to up three.
In fact, they went up up five to fifteen point swing,
and they're cheering and they're booing like it's a game
show at the end of the game to make sure
Winson makes the right substitutions. No one does that in

(47:59):
college basketball, no one. And so to throw a section
of this fan base under the bus, like, let's be real, Matt,
the haters, the Woodson haters, they were right, they got
it right, and I didn't want to believe them. I

(48:21):
didn't want to believe the people that wanted to let
Mike Woodson figure things out. I believed in Mike Woodson
as a head coach, but so many issues with Woodson
and the staff go beyond the game. It's the noise,
it's the senior day speeches. It's the conflict of who's
your hysterics, It's the picking, picking fights with coaches and

(48:41):
not starting the right guys. That's why Indiana needs a
new voice. And so Matt and I talked about some
guys that we think can take over this job. We'll
wrap up in some final thoughts here in just a moment. First, quickly,
a social media shout out again a reminder folks and
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(49:04):
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Speaker 2 (49:08):
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Speaker 1 (49:11):
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Make sure you join if you have not already. Lots
to think about there, Matt lost to discuss just overall
this season, the Big Ten, it's been. It's been a

(49:34):
wild ride, a lot of close games. Michigan State's undefeated,
Purdue rams through Michigan back on Friday. Wisconsin's having a
great season, Illinois, Oregon in the top twenty five, the
bottom of the league is very good. Just opening the
floor to you as far as the league, any thoughts
from your end on how conference play has gone, what

(49:56):
has stood out to you, because these are the conversations
I'm sure Dolson is having as he's trying to think of, Hey,
who's in how do we how do we turn things around?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Uh yeah, I mean what was the questioning in my brain?
Just the league?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Right? Thoughts on the league Big ten? How things are
going right? Michigan State. Michigan State in front, but the
bottom of the league is really good. I mean, what
are your thoughts that you've seen Big ten play now
for a full month of January?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Basically, Well, I mean there's not one great team. I
don't think I think Michigan State is very good. I
don't think they're great. I don't like I don't think
they win a national title. They could be a final
four team, maybe a non national title. Michigan's got holes. Also,
you got to figure out what the heck's wrong with
Danny Wolf because he hasn't been great over the last

(50:46):
couple of games. Ohio State had a lot of promise
coming into the year. It's really been struggling through a
lot of growing pains, even though they have one of
the most fun players to watch in the entire comp
Friends and and.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
What Bruce Thorton, Who you're talking about? Not Bruce thor
No mobiley mobiley? Yeah, John Mobley, Well, it's.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
So John, always so fun to watch. Here's so fun
to watch as a neutral. Northwestern has been really frisky.
I you, I figured that out because Colin's just such
a good job.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
With identity, right, they have an identity Indiana doesn't. Northwestern does. Yeah, Yeah,
Iowa does.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah, Iowa does, even though they're not really that.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
That's the point, like, show show me a vision, show
me a direction.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Okay, I know I doesn have an identity, and that
is we're gonna beat you up down low, because then
it's not it's not. It's been that under Woodson, it's
been that.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yeah, I know, I don't. I don't see it that way.
It was that way with Trace. I don't know if
it was that way with where and and and what
we've seen over the last seventy eighty games. I feel
like Indiana is trying to beat you in fourteen different ways.
I think they're trying to beat you in the on

(52:09):
the perimeter. They're trying to beat you on defense, They're
trying to beat you in the post, They're trying to
beat you in depth. I don't know. I don't, I don't.
I don't really see a direction through.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah, there's really not them that much direction with the program.
And again that's that's something we've been talking about, right,
like just straight up like that's the problem with the program.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Because it's funny, right, like why we yeah speaking speaking
on this Big ten, Big ten confrace, Like Rutgers had
an identity, right, we knew before this season when Indiana
played Rutgers, or anyone played Rutgers, it would just be
forty minutes of ugly ass hell basketball and it would

(52:55):
be choppy, and it would be sloppy. And that's and
the way you beat them is just at the end
of the game, you just you just end up with
three or five or seven more points. Like that's just
the way it is. You gotta make your free throws,
you got to pay attention to detail. If you do that,
you beat Rutgers. But then they drastically shifted away from
that identity, right and going out and getting Dylan Harper

(53:17):
and Ace Bailey. And no one's gonna say, don't get
Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey, but when you add them,
you have to still stick to the roots of that program.
And this year, funny enough, like you add two star,
top five NBA draft picks, but the identity of Rutgers

(53:38):
seems to have sort of floated away off into the distance.
And so it's a tough it's a tough choice. It's
a tough decision, right, Like I want to go out
and I want to capitalize on my success and I
want to go in and recruit the best players. But
it has to it has to mesh with the identity.
And if we sacrifice a little hard identity, how much
does that hurt? We sacrifice there's a lot of our identity.

(54:01):
How much does that hurt? And that's where I don't know.
Like Rutgers, for example, I think they kind of straight
away from things a little bit. To be fair, Northwestern
Iowa have kept kept their their og styles to themselves,
and they're all right, they're okay. You know, no one's
gonna throw a parade for him. But the bottom of
the league is so good, man, I mean, that's my

(54:23):
main thing. Like, there are gonna be three teams that
missed the Big Ten Tournament that are good, that are
are I think gonna be in like the nit conversation,
even if they missed the Big Ten Tournament as the sixteenth, seventeenth,
and eighteenth place teams in the conference. Yes, And it's unreal.

(54:45):
It's unreal because like I was watching the Wisconsin UCLA game,
I think it was last week, and the UCLA player
they were interviewing at the end, it may have been
Sebastian Mac I'm not one hundred percent sure. UCLA player
they were interviewing at the end was talking about how
now in the Big Ten, relative to the Pac twelve,

(55:08):
you don't have like a get right game. You don't
have a game where you can experiment on some things.
You have to go full throttle twice a week to
make sure you put yourself in the best chance to
win two games each week.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
And so you know, for Indiana, you're sitting here and
you're saying, well, ah, man, I wish we could play
the equivalent of South Carolina this week, Or I wish
we could play the equivalent of Boston College or Miami
this week. You can't. I wish we could play DePaul

(55:50):
or Seaton Hall this week. You can't. You just get
quad one after quad one, after quad one after quad one,
even if it's facing one of the lower ranked teams.
I mean, Oregon goes to Minnesota and loses and it
really wasn't close. I mean, that's kind of how it
works in this league. Mat and the bottom of it
is so deep and it's so tough, and I don't know,

(56:13):
I just I just think like all these Big ten
teams are gonna be so worn out by the time
the tournament starts. I don't know. I think like, I
just don't know how how the Big ten is gonna
fare in March madness, but I think they're gonna be
so tired.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
If y'all have seen me super distracted for like the
last seven minutes, that is because it just ticked Chinese
New Year over here, and it's tradition to send people
money on New Year's so I've just been sending a
bunch of my coworkers funny, That's what I've been doing.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
For like the last seven amazing.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, And all I can hear, by the way, I
don't know if you just hear on the microphone, but
there is approximately one billion fireworks going off outside right now,
So I'm glad that's not making it over the podcast. Yeah,
Happy this Chinese.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
News, Yeah, Happy Chinese New Year. This This podcast is
educational and informative as much as it's about basketball. That's
what I've learned here. Any final thoughts, Matt Indiana obviously
fourteen and seven, five and five, they're on the bubble.
But I think you and I sort of discussed big picture.
You know, big picture means a lot right now, and

(57:28):
and I think you and I kind of both see
where things are headed. Any final thoughts we wrap up
here on this Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, I got a couple final thoughts. First one, Chloe Aware,
there's my goat number two basketball program. Why this is
the final thing I say on basketball? You need a
new head coach. I was starting to get out on
Woodson at the end of last year. Kind of convinced
myself to me too, myself back, Yeah, me too. How

(57:55):
to convince was to bring it. I'm out out, I'm
out the door. I've I've I've sold off all of
my all of my belongings in there. I've I've given
the key to how I'm home. I'm homeless.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
You know, I'm emptied, the unit done.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Don't talk to me about him for the rest of it,
like talk, don't talk about him. All I'm saying is
is the experiment happened. It was partially a success, partially
a failure. The program is in a better spot than
when he found it. Yeah, but it's time to go. Yeah,
that's it. I feel like, uh, my Arsenal fan is

(58:33):
coming out here. Uh. And then finally number three, and
most importantly, there was a lot of football news I
haven't covered since football lost. I believe we didn't even
do a podcast on the playoffs perod Morning. We've been Yeah,
we've been really behind me to apologize, guys, that's mostly

(58:54):
my fault.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
It's evenly even, it's evenly ourself.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
And anyways, I will say recent news, Brian Haynes re
upped baby, So, I mean, we just had the best
season in the history of of IU football. Uh, and
we are bringing back the entire staff. I'll take it.
I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Sincere but yeah, I mean you got any sorry because
Chandler Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Right, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
We only lost one guy and we replaced him with
somebody I'm very excited about in Chandler.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I forgot about sincerit, but I feel
like that was old news. We knew he was going
to UCLA before the bowl game, right, that was the thing.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
We did, which was a little surprising. And then like
it's incredible because you obviously haven't really taken a step
back as far as recruiting and whatnot. Right for Anando Mendoza,
the Maryland running back that's his name, hemby Roman, hemby
a couple of receivers, I mean offensive line, tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Offensive line looking looking good to win in the in
the trenches. You gotta win on the lines. Man, watch
the NFL, watch college football. You gotta win on the line.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
How great Jaden Daniels is, but if he's under immediate pressure,
or if the if your if your quarterback has uh
a countless amount of time to throw the football or
make a decision or created a running game, it makes
a big difference.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Does make a big difference. I'm excited for football next year.
I'm excited for basketball offseason.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Yeah, I mean, I have a feeling. I don't know.
I mean I also did feel this before the Ohio
State game. I have a feeling there's gonna be an
ugly losing streak coming up with this man's basketball team.
And I still think you'll get into the Big Ten tournament,
but this schedule is I I feel confident Indiana will

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get into the Big Ten tournament because they've already bagged
five conference wins, and I don't know if the fifth
the sixteenth place team will have five conference wins. Penn
State winning yesterday would have been a little bit unnerving,
but they didn't, and so I just think Indiana's going
to find a way to win a couple more. It's

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just hard to see this thing turning around without a
change in leadership. And yeah, I know, I'll completely hear
what you're saying about football. Kurt Signetti absolutely cooking in
the portal. I can't wait for this. I think it's
a Week four home game against Illinois next season. I
mean that's gonna be absolute scenes in Bloomington, and Illinois

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is gonna be damn good this upcoming year. So you know,
I think a lot of people are talking about top
twenty five matchup, if not a top more than that
matchup twenty fifteen. I will say, though, like football, eyes
will not tolerate IU football getting disrespected in the preseason

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because all I heard last year was the starting point
was too low. The starting point was too low. The
starting point was too low, which is why Indiana had
to win eleven games to get in. M don't make
the starting point for this juggernaut program too low. I'm

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not saying it's gotta be one. All I'm saying is,
if Indiana doesn't start in the preseason top twenty five,
I'm gonna I'm gonna roll out all the conspiracies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
There's a I'm gonna write it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
If Indiana doesn't start in the preseason top twenty five,
everyone who's responsible for voting in that poll should get
canceled everything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
If Illinois top ten and IU is not top twenty five, don't,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
And I understand a lot of damage was done as
far as trusting IU football over the years, but but
don't let that take away from what this team and
this head coat. A lot of damage, a lot of
damage put on the field. All right, Yes, in twenty
twenty one, did you rank Indiana preseason top twenty five

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only for I you to go three and nine or
two and ten, Yes, you did, But don't let that
influence this season, upcoming seasons. Preseason top twenty five and nothing.
Why does the preseason stuff matter because it gives you
more of a margin for error if you do lose
to Illinois and Penn State or Oregon and Penn State

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both on the road. And so now all of a
sudden un don't don't start Indiana fortieth because I He's
non conference is also quite awful, So don't start Indiana fortieth.
Start him in the preseason top twenty five, and we'll
all be very happy. But folks, that about wraps it up.
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