Three Words for EVERY IUBB Player on the 2024:25 Roster Going into the Summer [329]

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As Mike Woodson and the Hoosiers head into a critical summer, Nithin and Matt dive into the objectives for each player as things currently stand. The guys give THREE words to summarize each player's goals as the team looks to meet, and potentially exceed, top 15 expectations. 
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Episode Transcript

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HU fans. This summer keeps rollingalong here. June is in full force,
and as Matt and I were thinkingabout this team, we were like,
Okay, let's take a step back. Summer practices have begun for a

(00:30):
lot of teams in the country,including your Indiana Hoosiers. Dan Hurley is
still running the practices at Yukon aswell as you know, trying to build
a team to in a third straightnational championship. Mike Woodson is trying to
get his team there, anything closeto there, anything remotely close to a

(00:55):
national championship. So Matt and Iwere like, Okay, how can we
how can we help the listeners asmuch as possible? How can we bring
them a plus stuff here in themiddle of the June And I think we
have something for you today that you'llreally like. We're going to dive into
every single player on this shroster andsummarize what their summer goals and goals for

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the season should be in three wordsthree words or less. That's it.
We're going to dive into that andso much more here on episode three twenty
nine of The Hoosier Sound Where weare the official podcast of Indiana HQ Our
mission and goal is simple. Wewant to bring in depth analysis and coverage
for IU sports to as many fansas possible across a multitude of modern platforms.

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We're recording this edition of The HoosierSound on Thursday, June thirteenth,
twenty twenty four, where I amyour host Nith and Christian here with me
today is my normal co host,Matt Lucan's Matt. The Portal season has
quieted down a little. Indiana hastwelve scholarship spots filled, one remains open.

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All the players are on campus.We're gonna turn towards one of the
classic podcast formats that we like todo here, the three word game,
inspired by Colin Cowhard some of theothers. Man, let's dive right into
some of the key newcomers on thisroster. I'm gonna kick it over to

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you, Miles Rice. Three wordsto describe Miles Rice this summer, this
season, his goals, What's onyour mind? As far as the three
word game for Miles Rice? Oheasy? A game changing leader, that
is. And now you can takethat in two different ways. You can
take that as an off court thing, or you can take that as an

(02:42):
on court thing. So I thinkhe does both. I think on next
year's team, he's our most dynamicplayer. I think on next year's team,
he'll be the most consistent player outsideof Ballow. And I think he
has a chance, out of allthe EU players, he has the highest
chance of being a new addition andbeing named captain at the same time.

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And I think you saw that fromyou saw the practice footage or the pictures
and the short video of him greetingWoody when Woody came back to practice,
and you know they all were firston campus together. You can see it
if you follow him on social media. It is always posting pictures and videos
of him with the guys. Ithink he really connects with his roster,

(03:28):
and I think he has a storyto tell and experience life experiences that no
one else obviously on this roster hastrue but are also equally invaluable to being
a great leader, which is goingthrough the adversity that is cancer, right
and coming out on the other side, and then playing a season when you

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don't even have a full off seasonand killing it, absolutely killing it.
Going through a period of time atWashington State where he couldn't make a shot
to save his life. His conferencewas abandoned, conference was abandoned, his
school was abandoned by the conference.Yeah, yeah, that too. You
know, just a lot of differentthings happening in his life, and in

(04:14):
the last forty you know, somethingmonths of his of his of his time
on earth that you know, wouldturn anybody from maybe a mild mannered,
more unheralded recruit into you know,iron sharpens iron by turning him into into

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one of the best transfers in allof college basketball, and in my opinion,
going to be one of the bestplayers in all of college basketball starting
next season. And he's going tobe a household name at some point in
the near future. And he's goingto do that in a Who's Your uniform?
So I mean, he's a gamechanging leader. That's what he is.

(04:56):
Love it for me. It's twentyfive percent the three words from Miles
Rice that he's got a plaster onhis on his apartment wall somewhere Eddie volv
or wherever else he is. Twentyfive percent. That was his his shooting
clip in conference play last year fromdowntown from three point land and you kind
of touched on it while you weretalking. You got off to a decent

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start shooting to basketball or horrifying,mind blowing slump second half of the year.
He picked it up, sort ofcleaned it up at some points during
Pac twelve play last season, Buttwenty five percent isn't getting cut it as
it relates to Big Ten play,as it relates to this upcoming season.

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Of course, if you look atthe overall season total for him, it
wasn't all that much better was atwenty eight percent from deep. I'm not
asking him to turn it to StephCurry or James Harden or as you saw
as you saw yesterday with Boston janBrown or Jason Tatum. All I'm asking
him to do is, you know, let's pick that number up. Let's

(06:04):
cross thirty, Let's maybe get tothirty two, and I'll be pretty happy
because, like you said, he'sgoing to bring a lot of other stuff
to the table. I think MilesRice can do it. I'm excited because
I do see a guy who cantake a three off the dribble, who
can catch and shoot, who canspot up, who can maybe drain the
three in transition so he can hityou a lot of different ways from downtown.

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I just want to see that percentageto take a little bit of a
hike from last season. Jalen Brown'sactually a pretty good example for Miles Rice
because Jalen Brown always hasn't and ithasn't always been the best three point shooter.
Yeah, when he came into theNBA, he was pretty hit or
miss, and a lot of times, you know, especially in the last
couple of seasons, when people wouldtalk about the Celtics weaknesses, they would

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always mention Jalen Brown's inconsistency from three. And that's what Miles Rice was.
Last year, he wasn't bad.He shot what thirty something percent maybe from
three just around there thirty Last yearhe went oh of twenty for a stretch.

(07:10):
Yeah, he went oh of twentyfrom three for a stretch. I
mean, you look at Himbaco's youknow, we think of Mackenzie and Baco's
percent of just being pretty good.He shot thirty two percent for the entire
season. You know, he wasI think in the like twenties or even
teens at some point last season,right, just because he went through a

(07:30):
little bit of that freshman struggle andso was you know, so did you
know? So did Rice? Becauseit was his freshman year. So I
really think he's going to be notonly much more consistent this year, but
I think even his highs are goingto be higher this year. I think
he's going to be a better threepoint shooter consistently this year. And I

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think you'll see a big jump fromtwenty eight to me. I think he
could he could get up into likethe thirty six is thirty seven percent from
three, which would be a gamechanger for this roster. I mean,
if he's at thirty seven percent fromthree, uh, he's in the He's
in the first round of the twentytwenty five NBA Draft. I one of
these two guards will be and Imight be spoiling something, but we go.

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Yeah, let's go right into CanaanCarlisle. He's up next. Carlisle,
six to three transfer guard from Stanford. My three words for him are
grow up fast. I mean,here we go, baby, I mean,
look, you came over from Stanford. This This is simply put.
It's it's it's a it's a biggercollege basketball program, brighter lights, bigger

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conference seventeen teams. If it's amath right, eighteen eighteen teams. As
far as the Big Tennis concern.You want. You want March madness,
you want the Big Ten Tournament,you want high profile non conference games,
you want a chance at the NBAdraft. This is it. Grow up
fast, baby. I mean,it's gonna be tough. Here's gonna be

(09:00):
some They're gonna be some ugly lossesagainst you know, Wisconsin or Northwestern or
Penn State, and it's an unrelentingleague. But there is a brighter light
on the other side. You know. Jalen Hichafino came through and saw it.
Yogi Ferrell came through Indiana and sawit. Uh, there are a
lot of other guards in recent times. As college basketball has changed so much,

(09:24):
NBA has changed so much. Youcame through, you saw you saw
what you got and and ended uphaving a really you know, beneficial future
on the other side of the onthe other side of the tunnel. So
Canaan Carlisle, grow up fast.It's time You're gonna be in a likelihood
starting for this team this upcoming year. Let's see what you got, Matt,

(09:45):
what are your three words for CanaanCarlisle. Sorry, I was meaning
go be pro Oh that's go chaseit. Go chase it, because this
is a guy that is actually projectedto be on draft boards. There's a
couple of people smarter than me usuallyout there that think he can be a

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pro. And you know, Imight not be as smart as them,
but I kind of see where they'recoming from. I they are he sorry
Carlisle, and I said they becauseI was putting Rice in the same sentence.
Or we finally have two guys inour back courts at Indiana that could
both when they want to go andget drop thirty one. They want to

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and they get the shots, andthey have the confidence and they're you know,
they're feeling it that night, theycan get thirty. But Carlisle as
a freshman last year dropped forty pointsin a game forty not thirty. Forty
in a game by himself at Stanfordin a I mean they ran pretty good

(10:52):
offense, but on a terribly coachedteam. Yeah, you know, if
he's feeling himself on a night,Carlile is a kind of guy that can
just so, like almost a laDavonte Green when Davonte Green was good,
just take over an entire game.Like defenses are gonna have to key in
on him and to know where heis at all times, and when he's

(11:13):
feeling himself, he's still gonna makeother people good around him as well.
He's not just going to you know, chucking up shots. And he's a
kind of guy that if he playsa you know, a significant role on
this team and is efficient and putsin the work in the offseason to get
just that bit more consistent and better, he could be looking at a professional

(11:37):
contract given that this NBA draft classis so weak, and and and I
had a thirty minute long Yet bothof these thirty minute long discussion. We
had a thirty minute long discussion onthis where he said, I think on
the most recent podcast he went onIndiana Podcasts with uh Alec and the rest

(12:01):
of the guys that Who's illustrated,talked about how he doesn't think Indiana can
win a championship because he doesn't seea pro guard. I called him after
I listened to that and said,I I think Carlisle is that guy.
Like I I when I look fora pro guard, I see all the
tools that Carlisle has. He justhas to put in the work and be

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concentrated on both ends of the ball. And if he can do that,
I mean you're talking about, Indianacould go from having one of the worst
backcourts in all of college basketball lastseason to having I think a top five,
maybe even top three back court nextyear. If both of these guys
can hit their ceiling, that probablywon't happen. I'm saying probably knocking on

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wood because I would love that tohappen. Probably not gonna happen, But
if they do, don't be surprised. I just don't be surprised. Like
these guys, both of them couldgo pro. Both of them could.
That would be insane. Yeah,just to be clear, Carlisle's season high
last year was thirty one. Butthe fascinating thing is, you know,
thirty one against Washington State, twentyeight against sworn twenty eight against Arizona,

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twenty two at Oregon State, seventeenat UCLA. Carlile's game season last year
started a little bit late. Hedidn't get to you know, you know,
he didn't get to go off againstEastern Central Connecticut State, yeah,
you know, or or you know, Idaho's Idaho State. He did get

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twenty three minutes against Idaho in hisfirst game December seventeenth, and then after
that it was straight into San DiegoState and then packed twelve plays, so
he didn't get a chance to sortof ramp up his degree of difficulty like
everyone else does in college basketball.He had to start yet, Yeah he
only dropped thirty. It's the Chinesebarbecue getting to my brain. My bad.

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Wow, I'm serious. Was sospicy. I'm a little lightheaded.
So so you know, those areour thoughts on Canaan Carlisle. Again,
I think it'll help him this yeartoo. This upcoming year, he'll get
to ramp up a little bit degreeof difficulty. Wise. Indiana's going to
start the season against Eastern Illinois,and I'm sure there'll be a few other

(14:16):
games like that in the non conferenceplay, the non conference slate. But
yeah, ultimately that's where Matt andI see Carlisle as he has into the
summer. Here, let's move onto Umar Ballo next man. Everyone's fired
up to see big Umar in Indianacolors this upcoming season. Some publications and
outlets have him as the top rankedportal prospect that change teams this past window.

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What are your three words for UmarBallo. Top three words for Umar
Balo are consistent rebound getter. Okay, that's what he is, and that's
why he was a top transfer inthe portal according to some people, because
he's the safest option. He literallyis, you know exactly what he's going

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to give your team. Good rebounding, terrible free throw shooting, and a
guy that dunks everything he possibly can, and just a very physically imposing big
like he's built. I mean,last two bigs that we've had at IU
have been Chloe Ware and Tray JacksonDavis, and they've both been fantastic.

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He doesn't have the post moves likethem, he can't put the ball on
the floor like either of them.He can't shoot like either of them,
right, not that Trace was thatmuch of a shooter either, but he
could at some point in a senioryear. You won't see him spot up
from mid range, but he's aboutas wide as both of those two guys

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combined. He has built like atree. From it, he is way
more like Zach Edie than he islike Jackson Davis in the way that he
is built. Because he is massive, absolutely massive, and he's hard to
move out of the you know,the painted area, and that's why he
gets so many rebounds is because heis as wide as he is tall,

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and he is built like a Greekgod. And I can't wait to see
him, Dona, who's your uniformin game? I've seen him in a
practice jersey now. But he isgoing to be awesome, and he's going
to be consistent for us, Likehe's never going to have a game where
I look up at the scoreboard,I'm like, how does Omar Ballow have

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twenty five points? Oh, that'snot going to happen. But he's also
never going to have a game whereI'm going to be like, Wow,
why does Omar only have two pointsand two rebounds? Because he's a guy
that's going to give us a youknow, at minimum and maximum about twelve
points and ten rebounds and a blocka game. And that you know,

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for a team where you have guyscoming in, you have you know,
the point guard and Rice and theshooting guard in Carlisle, who are guys
that you know were freshmen and forthe most part hit or miss last year.
YEP. To have a guy onyour roster you know you're what to
expect from and what you're going toget from him, and and the consistency

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of that can actually really help guyother guys find their roles because Bobo is
going to know his role from dayone. It's going to be the same
thing he had at Arizona, andhe's going to be just going to be
plug and play. Really yeah,I completely agree with that. I would
say my three words for Umar Ballovery similar to that are are raised the
floor. Indiana last year didn't makethe tournament, so obviously there were some

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ups and a lot of downs,some really really rough games over the course
of this past season. But let'snot forget that even in each of Mike
Woodson's first two seasons, both ofwhich where you made the tournament, there
were some really rough patches in bothof those years too. In Woodson's first

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year, I mean, not onlydid you lose to a very mediocre Syracuse
team in non conference play, youhad a pretty tough, twisting, turbulent
game against Saint John, same thingagainst Notre Dame, and then against Big
ten play. You sort of stuckyour foot in and hung in there against

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a lot of teams, but therewere some really ugly losses. And then
don't forget right in your two ofWoodson, where Indiana ended up getting a
four seed in March madness. Youhad an ugly home loss to Northwestern,
and ugly road loss to Penn State, an ugly home loss to Iowa.
There have been some really nasty singleindividual performances by the Hoosiers under Mike Woodson,

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a lot of double digit losses,a lot of games where it kind
of gets away from Indiana. OomarBallo fixes that problem. He comes in
and says, Okay, just likeMatt said, there are double doubles there
for you. There are twelve pointsand eleven rebound games. A couple of
blocks, you know, leadership consistency. There's a reason Arizona was really really

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good the last couple of seasons underTommy Lloyd. And there are a lot
of reasons for that. But Umarbolois one of them. And they knew
that in tough times they could goto him for an easy bucket, for
a big slam dunk, He candraw fouls, and if he can increase
that free throw percentage from what's inthe fifties right now to sixty five sixty

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seven, he shot seventy percent hissophomore year. Now, I think we're
really cooking as far as Umarbolo isconcerned. So for me three words as
it relates to Bumarballo, raised thefloor, helped us out. I think
we'll all love it. Lou Goodyup next as I look at look Luke
Goodye. This is obviously a perfecttype of role. As far as Goodie

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at Indiana. My three words forhim are are are shoot your shots.
Then that's it, Like, don'thesitate, man, give me yeah,
if it's ten threes a game,let them fly. I don't care.
This is why you're here. Thirtynine percent from three consistent marks Indiana Native.

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Shoot your shots. I don't wanthesitation. If they're there, the
wings in the corners, straight away, early shot clock, late shot clock,
transition, non conference, march,madness, doesn't matter. Shoot them.
I want to see Luke Goody setcareer highs and three point attempts per

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game, points per game, threepoint makes per game. That's the type
of thing I'm looking for. Matt, Luke Goodie three word game. You're
up, elite bench guy. That'swhat he is. That's what's what he
is. He's a depth piece thatI don't think Indiana's had since the Nickisloft

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Maximilla Felts of the world. Ohyeah, that's a good call, right,
Like he's a guy that can comeoff the bench. And it's like
the same thing with Nick ice Loft. You've never expected Nick's ice Looft to
play defense. Okay, he wasn'tin there, that's fine. And the
same thing with Goody. I'm notexpecting him to be anything more than a
traffic code on one side of theball, because I don't need him to

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play defense, right, And Ithink with Mike Woodson's defensive system, he's
gonna be fine. Just keep thetry to keep the guy in front of
you. If you can't keep theguy in front of you, yeah,
bollow behind you. Who's gonna beitching for a shot block? And by
the way, it might be renewedor langdon at right, Like yeah,

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you got you got a lot ofguys. You got a lot of bodies
down there now, so don't worryabout that, you know, Like if
you gotta get this, like allright, whatever, just hit your shot
on the other end, Like,if they're gonna make twos, you make
threes. That's that's math, andthat's winning math. And he's gonna make
a lot of threes. And who'syour uniform? Now, what kind of
role does he play is a completelydifferent question. Is it more of a

(22:18):
Miller copp role right, like wherehe's gonna be sitting in the corner the
entire time and you're not really runninga lot of sets for him. Or
is this a new version of offensefrom Woody because you've got some guys from
the guard position for the first time. I think Underwoody we have multiple guards
that can get to the cup atwill, Like I think Rice can do

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that, Carlisle can do that.I think we haven't talked about a lot,
but Kain Newton probably can. Soyou got athletes on this roster that
are going to force defenses to kindof shrink, right, So now you
can run more sets for three pointerswhere you can have more guys. Is

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gonna have more space because the defenseis going to be collapsing on not only
just your guards penetrating, but youhave a dunker and ballow, you got
a couple guy other guys you knowmoving around. They're gonna have to you
know, there's gonna be some spaceopen behind these guys, and so you're
gonna maybe see a little bit moreyou know, flare screens and a bunch

(23:22):
of other random bs on offense.That what he's gonna run to get to
get guys more open shots. He'sgoing to be good. He's gonna kill
it off of that because I thinkwhat he shot forty plus percent off of
catch and shoot threes last year,same thing with Carlile, and Carlisle was
at forty percent on catch and shootthrees. Like these are guys that you

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go. You get a guy likeRice, you got a guy like Carlisle
that can create their own shot anddo a lot of different things with the
ball in their hands, and defensesare scared of them. It's gonna open
up the floor for everybody else,no question about it. I can't wait
to see look good on the courtfor Indiana's upcoming season. His numbers,

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his percentages have stayed fairly consistent throughouthis career, but each year he's taken
out a larger and larger workload,and that's something that you like to see.
You want to see players whose percentageseither consistently stay the same or if
not, increase as they get moreand more minutes. Brad underwould increase is
playing time regularly. And now we'llsee if Mike Woodson does the same going

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into this upcoming season. We goteight more scholarship players to run through,
folks. But first it's time forwho won the week this past week?
And I use sports plenty of candidates. How about Devin Taylor, who is
just name second team All American,my perfect game and former Hoosier I'm sorry,
the current Indiana Hoosier baseball player there, Kyle Schwarber, the former Hoosier

(24:52):
doing big things. He's setting alltime marks as far as June home er
inefficiency, and you know he onanother couple of bombs for the Phillies against
the Red Sox this past week.A couple of Hoosier swimmers, Tomer Frankel
from Israel and Rafael Miroslav from Germany, both on the Indiana Swimming and diving

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team. They qualified for the twentyfour Summer Olympics, so that's exciting to
see. Francl very very much impressivein the butterfly the freestyle, former twenty
four NCAA medalist in the championship conteststhere Rafael Miroslav, former All American FORMATCAA

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runner up. A couple of Hoosiersare going to be in Paris for the
Summer Olympics. A lot of Americanqualifiers about to get underway and swimming gymnastics,
things like that swimming of course inIndianapolis. So really excited to see
as many Indiana Hoosiers as possible inParis in the months, in the in
the weeks to come. Folks,if you enjoy our show, leave us

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Matt let's dive right into some ofthe key returners on this Indiana basketball team
for the upcoming season. Trey Gallowaysaw a lot of playing time this past
season. Mike Woodson probably put toomuch on his plate, especially after Xavier
Johnson went down. Galloway was acritical piece of Indiana's tournament team from a

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couple of seasons ago. What areyour three words for Trey Galloway? Find
your shot. That's it. That'sbasically it. I mean he shot forty
six years ago last season, noshot twenty six. Find your shot,

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find that, then find that nicein between. I don't mind if it's
closer to thirty three or thirty fourthan it is to forty six. But
if he can find his shot again, I mean he he goes from being
he almost puts himself in the startinglineup. I'm not even gonna lie.
He might push renew right out.Damn starting lineup? Serious? Someone else?

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Right if anybody else, no,nobody else is getting nobody else getting
pushed that lineup. I don't think. I don't think Carlile is, I
don't think Rice is, I don'tthink Imbacco is, I don't think Babo
is. If anybody's gonna be renewed, and you just go a little bit
smaller. But you know the wayTrey Gallaway hustles on defense, the way
he you know, can create forothers on offense by running the point.

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And you already have two guys thatcan run as like a combo guard like
Miles Rice can playoff ball, socan Carlisle, and Bacco doesn't need the
ball and bollows a dunker. Youcould run the entire offense through Galloway.
So if he can get a shotgoing then that just, you know,

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not only just opens up the floorlike I've said with you know, the
previous people, but he becomes oneof the best depth pieces in all of
college basketball by far, right varbecause he's a two to three year starter
almost coming off the bench. Imean, like, that's crazy, that's
crazy depth. Sixty six career startsin an Indiana uniform, one hundred and

(28:37):
eight career games. I don't knowif I agree necessarily that the other four
guys are complete locks from a startingline. At standpoint, I think bollow
is the other players if they're reallygoing through his rice a shooting struggle.
I can see Mike Woodson using thebench as a teaching tool for even even

(29:02):
if it's a couple games in December, in January or February, just to
be like here, look, maybeabsorb this game from a different perspective,
a different point of view. Thegood news for Indiana is that you have
a couple of starter level players onyour bench. I think a couple of

(29:22):
these and Gotten Galloway as well asGoodie. I think these are a couple
of players who in case of emergencyor if Mike Woodson wants to make a
point. As the season goes along, you can put one of those guys
in the line and not have toomuch hesitation, too much fear, as
far as that's concerned for me.Three words with Galloway. Make free throws.

(29:45):
That's where I'm focused on with TreyGalloway, because look, even if
you're not starting, you might bein the closing lineup for these Big Ten
games that are decided by two points. Same thing as Mark, same thing
with March Madness, same thing withBig Ten Tournament. You might be one
of the final five on the courtthat the chances of that happening are drastically

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less if you're shooting fifty percent fromthe free throw line. Galley was at
fifty three last year. The crazything is in his freshman season he was
at seventy four. Sophomore season sixtyfive. This is a guy who can't
make sixty five plus percent of hisfree throws. But last year, I
don't know. If it was somethingpsychological, I don't know, if it
was something physical, I don't know, if it was something emotional mental,
I don't know, but fifty threepercent is not acceptable, just not And

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it looked awful. You're talking aboutsomeone who's got fifty one percent in Big
Ten play from the free throw line. And this is supposed to be somebody
who's a leader, somebody who lastyear was a critical component of your basketball
team playing thirty four minutes a game. Make your free throws. And again,
there's a common theme between us.We're not expecting the universe. We're

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not asking for you to turn intoGod's gift to basketball. You're at fitre,
you were you were at you wereat sixty nine percent your freshman year.
I'm sorry, you were at seventypercent your freshman year, seventy four
percent your freshman year. Sixty fiveyou've done. You've done, sixty four.
Get to sixty four, Like,come on, let's go. I'm

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not asking for I'm not asking fortoo much. There. Mackenzie Mbaco's up
next. Matt. As you lookat this, what are your three words
for Mackenzie and Bacco? The bestplayer? Ooh. I think when all
is said and done, next year, I think he's going to be the

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best player and a pro. Idon't think we see any more of Mackenzie
Imbacco in an IU uniform after thisyear. If things go the way I
think the season Will and the teamgets up top three seed in the NCAA
torment. He's going to be theleading scorer. He's going to be probably
the second best shooter. He's goingto be a first team All Big Ten

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guy in my opinion, because there'sjust not a ton of wings in the
conference that are as good as hisceiling is. Yeah, really there's not.
There's one in Iowa City that's prettygood. But other other than that,
you know the rest of the wingsPerkins not Perkins. Okay, I'm

(32:31):
forgetting No. Why is his nameescaping me? Now? Twice? Uh
No, I'm going to get itbefore you get it. He has a
brother, the brother now the returnfrom NBA draft. You guys tell you

(33:00):
you I do this, No,not him? Uh he said, brother,
you can't cook Cooper, Jacob Cookdown La Carter, Kingsbury, Peyton
Sandford. There it is Sanford.There you go. I do this without
any stats or anything. And thisis off top of my head. And

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I just threw out Tony Perkins's nameand she did not mean to throw out
He's not. Is he back inIowa City? I don't think so,
at least the same name of aLouisiana state representative. So I'm very disappointed
to Google when I Google Tony Perkinssends me to the congressman rather than the

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basketball player. Like, let's go, it's twenty twenty four, clean up
your algorithm. Anyways, Peyton Sanford, I think he's the best wing in
the conference outside of Peyton Sanford,or he could be, and I'm not
saying he is right now, butfrom what I've heard from Perkins Perkins from
Missouri, yes, because he's playingwith Tamar Bates. Now, from what

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I've heard from behind the scenes,with the current practice going on, which
I mean, obviously you have totake with a little bit of a grain
of saul sure, because it's whatever, but this is the most deep the
IU roster has been in quite sometime, so practices have to be at
a pretty high level, right AndI have heard that by far and away

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that Enbaco has been the best playeron the court by a country mode and
it's not close. And that makesme happy because I think he's you know,
he's a guy that you know,given how he played in Big ten
play last year. It might surprisesome of you, but I thought he
probably deserved a little bit more draftbusts. Yeah, right, I do

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think he's a guy at his sizethat could do a lot of different things
that guys his size normally can't do. And then now coming back for an
extra year, he's the guy onthis team. Like last year, clol
Wao was the guy, and youknow, if Xavier Johnson was healthy,
you kind of hope that he wouldkind of be the second guy. So
you know, he was the third. He's the guy on this team.

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He's the go to scorer on thisteam as things stand right now, So
you know, he's gonna get themost shots. I think he's gonna get
the most touches of the ball,most plays ran for him. And you
know there's a certain you know forwardthat can kind of do a lot of
things similar to what Imbaco did thatMike Woodson coached in the NBA, and

(35:37):
he did pretty well with that oneforward guy who he might be recruiting his
son as well, who's who's prettygood hill, you know in his own
right. But yeah, you know, I think you could kind of see
Mike Woodson use Ebaco next year verysimilar to the way that he used Mellow

(35:58):
in New York. And and ifhe does I mean Enbacco's gonna get He's
gonna get touches, and he's gonnaget a lot of the ball. And
the offense instead of being ran throughthe post, is going to be run
through kind of the mid post,the sixteen eighteen twenty feet with the guy

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who can hit a step back,hit a three pointer and take you to
the cup, move you around withsize, pass the ball, you could
do everything on offense. He reallycan and and and he saw his defensive
play get better as the year wenton. Last season. Also, I
think that's what a lot of peoplelatch onto when they think of Mackenzie Mbacco
as somebody who really was so badwhen he really struggles came to guard the

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arc, especially he lost shooters,he overhelped, he got confused on communication,
and then by the time the seasoncame around at the end, he
was He was really reliable on thedefensive side of the game, Which is
why my three words for Imbaca justkeep getting better. Right Like in November
last year, he averaged seven pointsa game, couple rebounds a game,

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I'm sorry, seven points a game, three rebounds a game. December January
he was at like twelve points agame and for four and you know,
four rebounds a game, and thenby the time March rolled around, is
like sixteen points a game, andit was you know a little bit more
than that on the rebounding, inthe passing and the defense. We talked
about the growth on the defensive sideof the ball. Keep getting better.

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I mean, this is somebody who, like you said, should be,
could be, will likely be thebest player on this team when it's all
said and done. All you werefreshman of the year in the league.
This is some you know, youcan now be player of the year in
the league. You can be firstteam. You can really you know,
cement your first round status in theNBA draft with the great year. I

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can't wait to see Mackenzie and Bacoplay this upcoming year for the Hoosiers.
It's the seventh guy that we're talkingabout here, Matt out of twelve player
roster. And with that said,I think if you ask Big ten coaches
who are they most afraid of onthis au basketball team, it might be

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Molik Renewed. And so when Iask you, what are your three words
for Malik renew what stands out toyou as far as number five on the
Indiana Hooters get smarter quick. Hehas a lot of dumb fouls in him,

(38:32):
like a lot of dumb fouls.And I went back and watched for
fun during my about five hours oftrain rides here in China, I downloaded
some game tape for my year andI watched it. Yeah, I think
he he had a dumb foul probablyone and a half times a game,

(38:54):
which I think one dumb foul everytwo games. I accept that's an acceptable
level of dumb foulness, but tohave more than one a game, it
costs you. I mean, Idon't know how many games last year he
was in voul trouble. And Ilook at the team and it's like they're

(39:15):
falling apart on the court. Andit's true, he's one of the best,
if not maybe the best player onthe team I think right now.
Yeah, you know, he's Ithink one of the three guys i'd say
is up in that discussion. Butwith that being said, he doesn't you
know, he shoots himself and onfoot, he can't play a majority of

(39:37):
the minutes that he should be becausehe's fouling. So he's got to get
in in the film room, notjust he's got to work on some stuff
in his game too. He's notperfect. Getting an outside shot would be
awesome, or a more consistent oneand getting a little bit more confidence in
it too. But getting in thefilm room and watching what he did on

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defense last year and even some ofhis dumb offensive fouls, like looking at
stuff and being mentally prepared for theseason next year, not getting tilted in
games because you could tell he gotfrustrated sometimes he just couldn't play because he's
getting in foul trouble, like findinghis zen. It'll give you another three

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word phase. I like, justjust figuring out the mental side of things
this summer. And and you know, if the staff has to, you
know, in five y five drillswhatever, call fouls on him for TICKI
tak reasons on purpose so that hecan lock in and learn how to guard
somebody without doing those dumb, stupidfouls and the little hand grabs and the

(40:46):
things he can just he doesn't haveto do the little extra stuff he thinks
he can get away with, andhe can if they have to reinforce that,
I hope they do because he needsto play next year, you know,
for this team to reach ceiling andhe needs he needs to not be
in his own head on both sidesof the ball due to foul trouble that

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he causes. Yeah, I know, And for me, it's alongest similar
lines there. For me, it'stake it personally. Like this past season,
even though Malik Renew average fifteen pointsa game, six rebounds is highly
respected by coaches all across the league. He was Big Ten honorable mentioned,

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he didn't make any of the topteams in the Big Ten as far as
all conference honors are concerned, becausefor the reasons Matt mentioned, he had
a tough time staying on the court. He didn't really develop a consistent three
point shot. Maybe a lot ofvoters who put players on all Big Ten

(41:47):
teams maybe thought renews performances came sortof in losing in a losing cause for
the team. Take it personally,like, you are capable of being an
NBA player. You are capable ofbeing one of the best players in the
Big Ten. But there's a lotof low hanging fruit. And that's another
three word, three word thing thatwe could use from Alik Renew. Just
fix the low hanging fruit, stayon the court, stop with the hand

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checks. You know, make sureyou secure rebounds after getting after working your
tail off for twenty eight seconds ondefense, If umar Bala gets checked out
by someone, we need you tocome in and swoop in for the rebound.
Improve your passing, improve your shotblocking. There are there is progress
being made there. Can you gofrom one assist a game to three assists

(42:30):
a game to four four and ahalf. Can you go from point three
blocks a game to point six blocksper game to one? That's the type
of growth I need to see fromMalik Renew. The physic cap the physical
characteristics are all there. I wantto see some of that edge, that
fire. I want to see someof the some of that because this is

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a guy who's played sixty eight gamesfor the Indiana Hoosiers. He's he knows
what it's like to go through atwenty game Big Ten schedule. He's done
it twice. So that so thisis where I need malikra need to step
up and and really play with aswagger, an edge of physicality, a

(43:14):
a chip on his shoulder that Idon't know if we've seen quite yet with
malikra new and in the Diana uniform. Next up for me is Anthony Leal
and the three words here are areare Just be ready, babe, Just
be ready. Right Like, thisis where Anthony Lele gained a lot of
fame last year, some of thequotes about being available, knowing when to

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get onto the court and do hisjob with Woodson calls his name. Just
be ready. They're gonna be injuries. They're gonna be suspensions. I don't
know if that's true or not,but they're gonna be injuries. They're gonna
be bad performances. They're gonna betwisted, They're gonna be I was thinking
like NBA right eighty two game seasonthings happened, maybe college not so much,

(43:58):
but definitely they're gonna be Kenziembaco getsin a fight in Taco Bill Part
two, Electric Bogle. I wasready to move on. I was ready
to keep going. Okay, they'regonna be players that have rough patches.
There might be you know, theremight be changes in rotations, in the
number of minutes people play. Justbe ready. This is a guy last

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year in Lele who made forty onepercent of the threes. He was Indiana.
It was top five. Okay,just think about how much Leo played
last year. Not that much.But last year he was top five for
Indiana in rebounds per game and topfive and assists per game. We know
what he can bring to the table. Just be ready. There are gonna
be times where Indiana is struggling ina game, struggling over the course of
a week or two, like,just be ready. What's is gonna call

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your number during the season. Weneed you to bring some of that energy,
some of that veteran play that youbrought to the table last year.
Matt for you, three words forAnthony Leo. What you got hit that
bag, hit that real estate bagboy. I don't think we're gonna need
him a lot this year. I'mserious, Yeah, he I genuinely think

(45:08):
that we might have seen the lastreal minutes that Anthony Neil plays in a
Who's Your uniform? Just because histeam is so deep, I don't I
don't see him getting playing time.And even if there's injuries, I mean,
there have to be I think twoor three guys out for him to
get minutes. So I mean meand he might he might play just just

(45:30):
for this, especially early in theseason, just to see. You know,
what he can give the team.You know, the staff just running
him out in some lineups, justyou know, in more of like a
Looke Goodie rule. You can't seewhere he is, but Goody just takes
everything he does and amplifies it anddoes it better. I think Galloway in

(45:52):
his role does everything anything will does, but does it better. I don't
think he's ever gonna be asked toplay the four or the five. There's
just too many people in front ofhim that that want playing time, need
playing time, and honestly they deserveit given the talent over him. And

(46:13):
it sucks. But he decided tostay, and he's gonna be a leader
on this team anyway. He's gonnabe just as important off the court as
he's ever been on the court.But that being said, I don't expect
to see a lot of him andwho's your uniform this year? And that
kind of makes me sad. Idon't know, I don't know. Somehow,

(46:34):
some way, I feel like he'sgonna find his way on the court.
And again I'm not saying thirty eightminutes. I'm saying, look,
it might be an eight minute spell, it might be a ten ten minute
stretch for a game, twelve minutes, like just break glass in case of
emergency, something something of that sort. Again, Leil last year to me
went from he he can't play basketballtoo. He can play basketball, right

(47:00):
if you call on him in aBig ten game. He can hold his
own, he can grab the rebounds, he can move to basketball, he
can hit three pointers. Iowa knowsAnthony Leal, Penn State knows Anthony Leal.
So all I'm saying is, I'mnot saying thirty thirty five whatever,
like if he it might be asix minute game. Here, it's six

(47:20):
minutes in a game. Here,might be twelve, might be fourteen.
That's all I'm saying. We'll see, But like you said, sell that
house. Let's see. We gotfour more guys to wrap up here with
on this Thursday. But first timefour hour social media shout out folks you
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Instagram or on Indiana HQ. Butwhat are we Indiana dot HQ. Here
you go to find us. There, we got four guys left. As
far as this Indianavent's basketball team isconcerned. Let's move on to Bryson,
Tuck Matt three words for the truefreshman, the only true freshman this Indiana

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class. What are your three wordsfor Bryce and Tucker? Find your role?
Find your role. I don't thinkhe's going to be a starter.
I think I've seen a lot ofpeople throughout that he's going to be somehow
in the story lineup, and I'mlike, over, who where? How

(48:28):
how I got? Again? Heis a five star recruits, so everybody's
like us, a five star recruit. He's really good, which I'm not
saying he's not good. I'm justsaying that he's in a really really crappy
recruiting class. Okay, and thegames I'm not putting in. I'm not

(48:50):
putting an asterisk next to his fifthstar or anything about that. He is
a high level basketball player, yep. But he's also in the same kind
in a range of recruit as TamarBates. Okay, so you kind of
have to understand that he could bereally, really good and he could give
this team a lot of good minutesnext year. I don't really expect him

(49:12):
to get more than ten minutes agame. Yeah, in total, I
don't. I don't because again,when you look at the roster and who's
playing. He's not going to beplaying point guard, yep, He's not
going to probably be playing the two, yep. The three has three people

(49:34):
that want to play, all ofwhich have way more experience and offer way
more shooting and just way more ofeverything. You have maybe the best player
of the team in Tobacco, theplayer can play the three. You have
Trey Galloway, who has started sixtysomething games for the team, And then
you have Louke Goody who's played abillion minutes at Illinois right and as a

(49:54):
good shooter, who's gonna play thatposition, so he's not gonna play over
him. And then the four youhave renew In Bacco and then him,
So he's he's third on the peckingorder and damn near every single position.
So I don't see him getting aton of playing time. And he's another
guy that's by the way, gonnaplay in front of Anthony Leal. So

(50:15):
he's gonna have to find his role, like find where he fits in the
best and and what lineups he gelswith, and what he can do in
his freshman year that can get himplaying time. Is that his mid range
shooting is it his defense, becauseI'll tell you what, if he can
play defense, Mike Woods is gonnaplay him, so, especially for a

(50:37):
guy his size and his athletic ability. So he has to figure out what
he can do to find a roleon this team because he's not going to
be a star, which to him, I think is going to be a
little bit weird because he's a guythat's grown up his entire life being a
star player. He's a five starrecruit and he never played aau ball So
he's a five star recruit without everhaving to play with you know, other

(50:59):
I mean, he's playing with othergood basketball players. That's not what I'm
trying to say, but he's neverplayed with other superstar basketball players and he's
going to He's going to join ateam where every single player on this team
has been the best player at basketball, you know, at a school of
you know, high school or collegevariety at some point in their life.

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And so he's going to have tofigure out how he works as a role
player for the you know, thefirst time probably in a while for him,
and that's fine for me. Thethree words for Bryce and Tucker are
learn and listen, right, Likelearn and listen, learn the game.
Listen to your coaches. Mike Woodsonjust did just did this with collel where

(51:42):
he took a player who maybe inyear one learned the game, went through
some struggles, fought through some stuff, and then year two Kalel where well
he's gonna get taken in the firstround of the draft next week, earn
a weeks later this month. Sofor Bryson Tucker, I don't care what

(52:06):
you thought your college career was goingto be in twenty twenty two, in
twenty twenty three. But the truthof the matter is if you pay attention
during practice, during film room,during this type of stuff, pay attention
during games when you watch Indiana faceSouth Carolina or Eastern Illinois or play in

(52:30):
the Battle of Atlantis, and thenplaying Big ten, play like take this
in learn become a student of thegame. Not not saying he isn't already,
but you know that should be thepoint of emphasis this season, because
in year two you can have aseason like Khalila where it had last year,

(52:50):
and then you could be one ofthe first names mentioned in the twenty
five NBA drafts. So for me, the name of the game for Bryson
Tucker, learn and listen become aPhD in basketball, because then in year
two you can really take take overthe reins and be a dynamic, game
changing player for this for this teamnext season. Langdon Hatton Matt is the

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last incoming transfer that we haven't discussedas far as this roster is concerned.
He comes over from Bellerman as wellas William and Mary backup center is what
it looks like it will be.Uh will be Hatton's roll for this team
this upcoming season. What are yourthree words for Langdon hat Be the parachute?

(53:37):
Like that be the parachute. Andwhat I mean by that is he
is the pull the ripcord if thingsare going really badly optioned right, either
A somebody very important has gotten injuredor b somebody very important has picked up
some really stupid fouse, right,and so he's got to be the parachute.

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That doesn't mean needs to come inand be the best player on the
court. In fact, he atsome points might be the worst basketball player
on the court for both teams,especially if he's playing in Big Ten play.
But that's fine. We don't needhim to be a good basketball player.
We need him to be a bodythat can give minutes, grab rebounds.

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If he hits a three pointer,ever, I'm happy with that.
Like one, I'm asking for one. Let's go. I'm asking for one.
I'm not asking for for ye,I'm asking for one. I think
if he can, if he year, yeah, that's something. I'm just
asking for one all season, ifhe can, if he can do that
in games that he's needed and belike focus on the plus minus Like I

(54:47):
think, if he could be aguy that can come in and stay at
you know, at zero or minusone plus minus, that's a good shift.
I like fat that's good for him. And and and I think looking
back over the last couple of seasons, we haven't really had that good of

(55:07):
a backup big. He's still notthat good, but I think he offers
more on the offensive offensive side ofthe ball than Michael Dirt did, and
definitely more than anybody on on onthe roster last season, given the fact
that we really didn't have a no, we had Sparks, I guess,

(55:29):
but Sparks is just weird because he'sso he offers more than Sparks. He's
an upgrade on Sparks immediately from thatperspective. So yeah, just be the
parachute, be the guy that thatthat that is our safety net and just
in case of emergency. I meanyou kind of you kind of let into

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exactly what mine we're going to be. For Hatton, my few words for
Langth and Hatton are bronk der Sparks, right'll like be better than the collection
of those three guys. In otherwords, you know, Joey Brunk was
all right early in the Archie Millertenure, but then you know, it
was really hard to rely on JoeyBrunk for that much production. As his

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IU career ended. Michael Durr washe was he was an Edie stopper more
than anything, and he struggled tostop Eadie and then and then Peyton Sparks.
Last year it just didn't work outright, and you saw Sparks go
back to Ball State, and Sparksis a little bit overwhelmed by it.
Yeah. Oh, for sure,we're all rooting for him and Gun and

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Banks and everyone that that came throughhere, But as far as Sparks in
Indiana, you could just tell thathe was overwhelmed a little bit by the
size and the athleticism of players inthe Big Ten. It's very possible that
langdon Hattan so offfers that same fatethis upcoming year. On the other hand,

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maybe since he can stretch the floor, maybe because he is a little
bit more experienced than someone like PeytonSparks or Michael Dirwin dr came to Indiana,
maybe that gives Hatton a little bitof a better hand to play with
he as he prepares for this upcomingseason. And as you mentioned, I
think it was a great point asfar as hey, maybe there's some foul

(57:20):
trouble, maybe there's an injury,maybe someone struggling, and then and then
Hatton will have to be the parachutefor this team. Matt Gabe Cups was
thrown into the fire last year andnow kind of similar to Trey Galloy,
I think Mike Woods is going totake a little bit off his plate this
upcoming year. As you think aboutGabe Cups, what are the three words
that you have for the upcoming sophomore? Be the glue, the glue.

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I think he's he's the glue onthis roster because he is actually the only
true point guard on this roster.He's the only true point guard Galloway is
in a true point guard. Neitheris Rice or Carlisle, though they both

(58:07):
can do that, and to anextent Rice is a bit more of a
point guard than that I have ledon to, you know, say that
I feel like Galloway is too asweird as that sounds, but I get
your pa. He's the prototypical yeah, just look like that, but whatever.

(58:29):
Yeah, but he's got to bethe glue. You know. He's
a guy that actually didn't shoot thatpoorly that I think about it. His
freshman year three thirty six from threeon some some low attempts. But he
was a guy that you know,by the end of the year, if
he took a shot, I thoughtit was going in. And well,
yeah, as long as he's likesquared up a lot of time. A

(58:50):
lot of times he drifted, whichthat pits me off, but square up,
yeah, it was reliable. Yeah. Yeah, if he's squared up,
I thought it was going in.And so again, he's a guy
that I look at and I go, he's gonna find some minutes on this
roster. I think some people you'regonna be surprised by that, But he's
gonna find some minutes. I don'tknow how, I don't know what,

(59:14):
but he's gonna find some minutes andI think he's gonna get better quick.
I think he's gonna be a guythat I think by the end of next
year, everybody's gonna have penciled inat starting the next season. I think
one of the two guards goes tothe NBA. So whoever stays him and

(59:35):
and and the other guard are gonnabe the back court or Rayland Bowlin's cough
are gonna be the starting backcourt forthe Hoosiers next year. Is that Harrelson
is that his class is the oneafter that? Harrelson is also class,
Yes, but Harrelson's not a guard. Harrelson, Yeah, just you know
on in the lineup I've been I'vebeen selling my Harrelson stock. By the

(01:00:02):
way. This is behind the scenes, like I'm I'm selling Harrelson stock.
By the way, Braylan Mullens jumpedone I think fifty spots in the last
rankings, crazy like this today he'sup to the third. Who else you
who not here? Malchi moreno ohyeah, okay, yeah yeah yeah I
like that, yeah, Malcho Moreno. Mullin's sicily to to to an extent,

(01:00:29):
he jumped a little bit into therankings I think as well, sort
of Moreno, but I Mullins isgoing to be a five star recruit by
next week. I think on someservices he's rising an astronomical rate. So
I mean he's a guy that I'mtalking about. Gabe Cups, What what
am I doing? I'm sorry,Gabe. I think Gave Cups is going

(01:00:52):
to offer indian a good minutes nextyear. I think every I think he'll
end up with a positive plus minusfor the season next year. I think
he's going to improve on his threepoint shooting, but he's obviously going to
have way less games started and he'sgoing to have significantly less minutes. But
I think the minutes he's gonna giveIndiana are going to be good. He's

(01:01:14):
just not as good right now asthe guy's in front of him. But
we need him to play some minutesbecause we need somebody to run the point
when both Trey Galloway and Rice andCarlisle need a rest, which won't be
a ton of minutes, but they'llbe a select couple minutes in almost every

(01:01:35):
single game, where he'll probably playfour to five minutes a game Yeah,
for me, it's it's for GabeCups. It's something like, you know,
take a breath, right Like forme is like three word game for
Gay Cups, like take a breath. Like last year was baptism by fire.
It was really unfair, honestly toGabe Cups for him to play twenty
two minutes per game in his truein his true freshman season. I don't

(01:01:58):
think anyone planned for that last year. That was not in the cards for
anyone responsible at IU basketball, right, like the head coach, the assistance,
the athletic director, the trading staff. Like, no one could have
possibly expected Gabe Cups to play twentytwo minutes a game in this past season.

(01:02:23):
So for Cups, I think thisis a really really good example of
let let the game come to youa little bit. In year two,
you gained so much valuable experience thispast season. You did everything everyone asked
you to do. There might betimes where Cups is needed because of injury,

(01:02:43):
because you know, Indiana struggling throughsome things, But this feels like
a year where Gabe Cups can learnthe game a little bit, can can
get a little bit of an extraperspective from the sideline, then, as
you mentioned, do his job andthen a couple of years really be a
reliable leader for this basketball teams asthe Hoosiers keep things moving along after this

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upcoming season, I thought Cups wasone of the easiest players to root for
this past year, and I expectthat to stay the same this upcoming season.
I'm looking forward to see Gabe doingsome good things for Indiana throughout his
Hoosier career. And then, Matt, we wrap it up with Jakai Newton.
You know, red shirted injury lastyear. Things are looking like he's

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trending in the right direction as faras you're concerned, Matt. For Jakai
Newton, three words for his upcomingsummer and season find your feet, find
your footing. Oh okay, he'sanother guy. I think he's in the
same category as Tucker and Cups.For me, where it's like, how

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are these guys are no hat?And the twelfth guy? How is one
of these guys? The eleventh ismy question, like how how are these
guys are so prot like talented andare absolute ballers? And there's some people

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aren't high on gig Cups. Iam not one of those people. I
love gig cups is. I thinkhe's good. I think he will be
really good at some point in hiscollege career. Like maybe not all big
tennis good, but a stolid pointguard and a guy that just annoys the
living out of you know, opposingfans. But you know, with Chikai,

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he hasn't played basketball and damn neara year and a half now,
and so I think a lot ofpeople every time I don't mention him in
like a rotations list, I geta bunch of people being like, why
do you hate Jakai Newton? Yeah, man, unbelievable. Yeah, how

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there, I don't hate Jakai.In fact, I'm pretty sure if you've
been a long time listener with thepodcast, I said he's going to play
in the NBA something, and Istill stand by that. I still stand
by that he has the athleticism andthe wings fan and the swagger and end

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the game to play in the NBA. Yeah, But he's on a team
where I don't see him getting aton of minutes this year, given the
fact that everybody above him is moreexperienced than him, through no fault of
his own. Yeah, And Ithink he's in the perfect situation for that

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to happen where he doesn't get alot of minutes. He's got a guy
he didn't have cancer. I don'tthink there was an undisclosed medical issue that
would be breaking news. We're not. Yeah, but he's going to be
sitting behind a guy that you know, red shirted a year, right because

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of cancer and not an injury.And he can kind of see what Rice,
Miles Rice did and maybe emulated toa smaller, smaller extent because Miles
Rice was handed the keys to it'sdifferent Ferrari. But Miles Rice was handed

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the keys to to a nice Corvetteright in a Washington State team that ended
up going to the tournament. He'snot, you know, he he's not
getting handed the keys to uh,you know, this offense in this team

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because his team is a Ferrari andyou need to learn how to drive the
Corvette before you can drive the Ferrari. Yeah. Sure, but in a
way he's Jackai is kind of gettingto sit in the passenger seat of the
Ferrari. Sure, right, Yeah, he's he's co driving. I think

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you know, he's getting driver.He's in the driver's ed seat of the
Ferrari. He's and I and Ithink he's a guy that can really jump
from why what, I think he'sthe to the eleventh guy on this roster,
right in the pecking order. Ithink he can jump from eleventh to

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six very easily. We'll see veryeasily. But again, he's going to
have some ups and downs because it'sactually his freshman year, and as you
know, along with that, he'sgot to get back into shape. The
dude hasn't been walking his basketball formally. He hasn't been walking normally for what

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he can't have been walking in notin a boot for longer than like maybe
three four months at this point.He led him one playing basketball again,
right, So you know, he'sa guy that is going to take some
time to get back into shape andget back into the rhythm of playing basketball.
And he lost a year, awhole year of full development to an

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injury. So he's going to bewhatever people think he's going to be when
he just is instantly healthy again.I want people to take that expectation and
lower it by thirty percent, andthat's where he'll probably be around Yeah.
Yeah. For me, the threewords for Jakai Newton are way, year,
turn right, like it'll happen.It'll happen for Jakai sooner than later

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as it relates to his time inIndiana, but it's not going to be
immediate. It's not going to happentomorrow. There's a lot of power in
waiting your turn in the world ofcollege basketball, you know, in fact,
even another even in other aspects oflife, even in the NFL.
I mean, Jordan Love right waitedhis turn. Now we're talking about Jordan

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Love is one of the best quarterbacksin the NFL. It's like one of
these things where Jakai Newton, becauseof the injury, things will take their
due time. And I love thecomparison you made to Miles Rice. I
don't know much about Ferraris and corvettes, but as far as Miles Rice is
concerned, all I'm saying is,this is somebody in Rice who was a
class of twenty one high school graduatewho played his first big season of college

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basketball, got everything thrown at himin twenty three twenty four and he was
able to handle it. That mightbe the case for Jakai Newton, where
next year he's somebody who gets twentyeight thirty two to thirty four minutes.
Maybe it's in the twenty five twentysix season where Mike Woodson says, or
the assistant the coaching staff says,this is when we're gonna put you into

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the starting lineup and expect you tohandle the ball every possession. We're gonna
expect you to slash to the rim, throw down dunks, play first team
on conference defense. Maybe it's twentyfour to twenty five, maybe it's twenty
five to twenty six, but waitingyour turn, paying close attention to what's
going on behind the scenes, that'sthe mindset I think Jakai Newton needs to

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have. There is an explosiveness therethat I'm very excited to see in the
first non conference game against Eastern Illinoiswhen he plays, I'm expecting that assembly
hall of crowd to erupt. Assumingthat Newton does get cleared for that season
opener, I can't wait to seehim on the court in an EU uniform.
There's gonna be a dunk that hethrows down with two minutes to go

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and in the end is up twentyfour to twenty eight, thirty two points
in a game where people are gonnago back to youtubeer TikTok and just keep
hitting play over and over and overagain. Because Jakai Newton threw down a
footback slam or or a windmill oror or flew down the lane for a
big dunk. That's gonna happen atsome point here in non conference play.

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I absolutely cannot wait to see thattake place. Matt, that's the roster.
There is a scholarship spot open.I don't know if Mike Winston's gonna
use it. But as we winddown here on this Thursday, a lots
going on as far as men's basketball, women's basketball, college football never stops.
What are your final thoughts? Youcan even touch on the NBA Finals

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if you like I have watched anyof the NBA Finals. I'm not gonna
lie to you, And honestly mylife is a little bit better because of
it because I can't stand the BostonCeltics. I can't stand them. I
can'trchise as a Heat as a Heatfan. Yeah, By the way,
I love this jersey, the jerseyYoung Here we go Oladipo on the back,

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of course, shout out to BradStevens in Indiana University. Who's your
legend for? Like you know,I had a dream last night that Brad
Stevens quit the Celtics after winning thechampionship and said I want to go back
to college to coach the Indiana Hoosiers. And then then I woke up any

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real estate news his wife by propertyand Bloomington and yeah, no I did.
By the way, I did seethe team had that post and we
talked about it already, but hadthe post of them going fishing. Oh
yeah, little things, you know. Yeah, that was that was nice
to see. I see the guysall together. And Carlisle was finally on
campus because his season is academic yearat Stanford finally ended earlier this week yep,

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so he was finally able to geton campus. Which, by the
way, the fact that you cango and play basketball and attend Stanford classes,
yeah crazy. It speaks a lotabout who Carlisle is as a human.
Big because Stanford also it's it's alsoIndiana Junior. So you didn't know

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that. No, No, literallyhistory Indiana University founded Stanford, Like the
same president at Indiana went and foundedStanford. So where Stanford's daddy. Wow,
that's why they're the same colors asus. They're literally they're the same

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colors. They just we should makea tree our mascot, or or or
a slab of limestone. We havea mascot and it's a bison, and
it's sick, and they need tobring it back. In fact, they
need to bring back a live one. Just go grab one. I look,
I've been in in Yellowstone. Iworked in Yellowstone for a summer.

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There's like a gazillion of them.Just go grab one. I'm sure he
wouldn't mind spending some time with Bloomington, like Yellowstone Hill Royce, Like which
one do you think the bison isgonna like more? Uh? Yeah,
take take the mic after that question. Yeah, all right, Well,

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as far as I'm concerned. Uh, the Big Ten is really interesting to
me just because, like Zach Edie, I had so much respect for him,
and you know, I'm legitimately,I legitimately think you know, he

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is one of the best players toplay in the Big Ten in recent memory.
Like I mean, I'm talking aboutbest, the best to ever wear
the Purdue uniform, one of thebest playing the Big Ten recently, like
I'm talking about truly like a collegebasketball legend. Is is he better than
Luca Garza? So I don't don'tknow. Off the top of my head,

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I want to say yes, butI also know Luca. I think
it was the statutes. Gars wasso good, honestly, just amazing to
watch live as far as Garsa wasconcerned, and he could he could do
so many amazing things on the court. But I think he's a little bit
better off the top of my head. But along the same lines, like

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if you want to sort of drawthat parallel, like I was been pretty
average since Luca Garza left right,and and I can't sit here and as
great as Matt Painter is and asgreat as uh sort of the Purdue fan
bases, like when Zachie de leaves, I feel like that, you know,

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I feel like you have to takea step back. And then I
look at and then I look atMichigan State, and I'm like, how
much better? You know? Howmuch better are you really going to be
this upcoming season? And then Ilook at Northwestern, I'm like, how
much better can you be this upcomingseason? Illinois with Coleman Hawkins and Luke
goodygone, I'm like, you can'tAnd Terren Shannigan, you can't beat you
can't be as good as you werelast year I talked about Northwestern Nebraska had

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a had a had a really uhsort of hot stretch of play this past
this past season where a lot ofthings went right for them. I just
feel like there's gonna be a lotof wins available in Big Ten play and
us Y, U c l Ain Indiana, U se LA in Indiana,

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Ohio State, and Michigan, likethe top of the Big Ten could
look could look really really different thisupcoming season. And I don't know if
everyone's really reapy to see that happen. But look, we're what six seven
eight months away, So I mean, it's not just a Big Ten.
It's college basketball. Yeah, Iknow, I know so much. It's

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gonna be so and of course we'regonna see it first in football, and
I'm not ready for that. I'mnot ready for Indiana U se LA,
Ohio State or seven win Indiana footballteam. That's what I'm ready for.
I mean, we've at least likeseen that someone recently, right, Like
we've seen that happen. I'm ina whole game win. I'm not ready

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for Rutgers, USC, Indiana,U c l A. I'm gonna State
Oregon, Dude, the Big Tenmatches are gonna be so good. I'm
so excited. I'm genuinely I don'tcare. I Like part of me when
it first happened was like, thisis a travesty, This conference realignment bulls,

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But like now now I'm I'm Ilove it. I absolutely, I
absolutely love the idea of being ableto go play in the Rose Bowl.
And I love the idea of inbasketball getting to play Ucla at least once
a year. That's fun. It'sjust fun. It's fun. We have

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a guaranteed matchup against Michigan State andUCLA and Purdue that it's like three of
the top fifteen ish twenty ish surebrands in the history of college basketball every
single year because of the conference.That's dope, very true. But at
the same time, like Northwestern Washingtonis happening in football on September twenty that's

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disgusting. They're both purple. Howdo you have two purple teams to play
with each other? Wisconsin USC Septembertwenty eight, Like, we're gonna be
going back to USC is fun,that's fun. I hope they're playing in
Wisconsin. I hope USC has togo to Wisconsin and play in a snow
bowl. It's probably in La itis in yeah, the coliseum, but

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I'm not ready for it. Ijust no, that's dope. I love
the West Coast offense playing Wisconsin andthey're running the ball forty times down their
throat. That's dope. That's dopeto me. It's gonna be, it's
gonna be, it's gonna be,it's gonna be fun, it's gonna be
a while. Right, folks,out of my wraps it up for a
three hundred and twenty nine show ofthe Hoosier Sound. Thank you so much

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