Ducking by Ferrari & Miller + Inconsistent Refs + NC StateVT and OK StateIowa Previews - IWP 2-20-25 - The InterMatWrestle Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, what's happening people? Welcome back to the Internet
Wrestling Podcast for Horsemen are back once again. This week,
we are gonna talk a little controversy. I guess little
Ferrari was he ducking?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Was he not?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Pretty sure? The consensus probably yes on that. We'll get
into consistency in refereeing. I know this is probably a
topic that we can talk about any week, and there's
been some past weeks where we didn't get into it
where it was probably warranted. App State is definitely a
casualty of that. And then we'll get into rivalry week.

(00:37):
We've got NC State Virginia Tech, which has been an
ACC rivalry with those teams being at the top. Obviously
Stanford is creeping up in the ACC as well, and Robbie,
I'll let you kind of break down how that's gonna
how this things can shake out. I know there's a
couple of different ways that things can shake out in
the a SEC. And we'll obviously talk Oklahoma State Iowa,

(00:57):
which is something that everybody else is talking about. We'll
give some different takes on some matches. We'll give our
scores with both of those duels, see who we think
is going to win some of the bigger matches or
where some of those big turning points are going to happen,
and just have some more fun talk and wrestling. Honestly,

(01:19):
I will caveat I've been tasked with talking less on
this show. As as one of the commenters pointed out,
I talked to it was not slapped a mess that
loves everything we do, all all all nineteen comments that
he leaves, which I love every single one of them.
Keep those coming. But I don't even know who this
person was, to be completely honest. Uh, but apparently I

(01:40):
talked too much, and I agree I rambled a little
bit too much last week. So gonna pull in your
brilliant minds a lot more this week. Welcome back to
the only other you're getting getting a little bit of
my voice coming through my head. But there the other
comment in there was a guy saying something about, uh,
what what tenth grader wants to wrestle for a guy

(02:03):
that he beat? And I'm like, well he didn't. Jacks
far has lost five four to Gilman at the Olympic
trials and he just replied no. So I'm like, okay, cool,
looks like we're on the right track there. No, it
didn't happen. I swear it didn't happen. The match was rigged.

(02:25):
The match was rigged. Anyway, let's get into some talk
about Ferrari Aj that is. We'll talk about another one later,
but AJ Ferrari does not weigh in against Steven Little
last week. But he seems to have gotten over whatever

(02:46):
was ailing him. Is he's ready to wrestle in these
two final duels and get into conference weekend. I saw
somebody uh screenshot his I think it was his Instagram
post and put that on Twitter today. But how did
you guys feel about that? I think there were there
were a couple of other matches where guys did not
wrestle against some other competition last week as well. Yeah,

(03:10):
and the Maryland duel. Obviously, we've all been on record
saying we can't stand this, but this was something that
everyone was pretty excited about because Ferrari hadn't wrestled anyone
that was even close to being near his ranking all year,
and the chance he does get to wrestle Steven Little,

(03:32):
a guy that is a returning All American, he doesn't
even weigh in after saying, you know, he'll wrestle basically anybody,
any anywhere, anytime. You know, all the different emojis and
whatever else that he puts in all of his posts
and anything else on social media, and then he's nowhere
to be found with just duck emojis in tow. So,

(03:54):
how did you guys feel when the news hit that
Aj Ferrari did not way in for this? What was
it the second chance he had against top competition this
entire season and decided to just work o this entire duel? So, Robbie,

(04:14):
I know you probably have plenty to say about this one,
and bring in the other one too, and from Maryland
as well if you would like to. But yeah, how
did you feel about, you know, guys missing duels last week?

Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's unfortunate that it's not surprising. I think the only
thing that would have made me feel okay about AJ
ducking is if you would have just tweeted out a
bunch of ducks and smoke signals and emojis. But like
g it's it's really frustrating to continue to be in
this position where you have a guy who who says

(04:47):
he'll face anybody, anytime, anywhere, and that's kind of been
his his stick that he'll you know, he's not afraid
of anybody, but he has two opportunities to face the
top guys in the country. Doesn't go to c KLB. Okay,
maybe he was injured, we can write that off, right,
but we don't have any any evidence of any injury here.
But he's duck in the top ten guy for you know,

(05:08):
the second time this year that that he's had the opportunity.
And if you look at his schedule, the hardest match
he's had so far this year is you know, opening
weekend when he faced Nick Stemmot and Nick Demmett's ranked
fifteenth in the country right now. Now, he's had a
decent year, but he's not a top ten guy. And
I mean there was emojis on the line there and

(05:30):
that was important, so he wrestled that match. But how
do we how do we continue to feel excuse me,
that he's he should be a top ranked guy when
he's not putting anything on the line and not facing
any competition when he has a chance.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Agreed, he's kind of propped up by I mean, it
sucks to say it this way because he is an
NCAA champion, but he's kind of propped up by something
that he's he did years ago, same thing and be
said about Gable Steveson. However, in that weight drawing everyone
exactly in his weight class. He is wrestling top ten guys.

(06:09):
He is wrestling guys that are ranked near him and
destroying them.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
He may have taken off a good chunk of the
first half of the season, but he's been all in
when Big ten Duel Meet season hit. So while the
argument can be said for both guys, Gable is far
and away better than everybody in the weight class and
that has that has shown, whereas Ferrari not so much.
Kevin your thoughts, I mean, it's just a bummer.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
It's a bummer. I think that even for the people
that you know would like to give him the benefit
of the doubt, you know, and in some of these situations,
whether it's on or off the matt like, he's not
giving them much ammunition with which to do that. No,
no pun intended.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
So that's a different no glomstay guy.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, So there's you know, there's some some issues there
now at the end of the day. I think the
other thing that that you know, we're not really we
haven't brought up yet is just that, like, and I
think they said it last week, is that these one
ninety sevens in the Big Ten are battling each other,
they're getting after it, and those are three of the

(07:17):
top guys, and they're gonna run into each other at
the you know, Big Ten tournament, and they're gonna, you know,
not to mention what they've already done so far in
the regular season, and it's it just sucks if if
they end up getting you know, a lower seed at
NCAA's because they split losses or whatever, and then you've
got a guy like Ferrari sliding in there with not

(07:38):
really much great competition and being rewarded for it. But
you know, I guess we'll we'll kind of see how
that unfolds as it does. But you know, that's kind
of the nightmare, right, is that you've got these guys
who have all battled against each other, have some really
really big wins on the season, and then might show
up as a two or three seed because of a

(07:59):
bad conference tournament or something like that.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
So yeah, but what happens what happens when they get
to the pactuel tournament? Does he do the same thing?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
No, I don't imagine he would. I think he'll, I mean,
he'll wrestle that.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Batistically, he's gonna need need a title there to have
any sort of a resume, because you know, realistically, they
can't take into account previous in CUA finishes with current seating,
especially when they're three years ago. So it's one thing
for a guy to be a returning in state of
a champ. It's another thing for a guy to have

(08:37):
been a champ three years ago and then taking two
years off and now he's back and hasn't based any competition.
We continue to give him the benefit of the doubt
and and way those accomplishments that he's had before. But
for NCAA seating, he's gonna need current results. So he's
going to have to get that.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, he's gonna have to and ultimately, you know, if
he ends up winning the pack twelve like, he will
have to go through one of either Steven Little or
Trey Mino's probably and then either of those wins are
gonna be solid wins. But it's it's just it's just tough, man,

(09:15):
It's tough. There's a lot to unpack usually with this dude,
and I continue to hear good things, but I'm it's
just disappointing. I wish I wish we had gotten the match.
We'll eventually get it at the chance Pack twelve Championships,
I believe, but man, that's that's tough.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's also just it's not gonna be
good for him in the long run, right, Like you
guys mentioned, Big ten guys are battling each other, they're
in these battles with they had to dig deep and
final way to win. You know, Ferrari hasn't been in
that situation and how long two three years now, right,
So yeah, you could simulate that in practice with your

(09:54):
practice partners, but we all know that's not the same.
Right when the pressure's on around a sixteen quarterfinal match,
you're going to have to be in that simulation kind
of live that experience already recently.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
This year, and it's it's he needed a match like that.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Now hopefully gets one like that at Packed twelves conferences
to kind of get that back. But yeah, I think
the more for the more better in those kind of
situations for a guy that Ferrari at this point.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well and especially the guy like Ferrari, because nobody here
has said anything about his athletic ability, his physical style,
anything like that, because that's pretty well documented, right, But
you want to press depth though not the death on
that was a little little suspect, but a guy like that,
you need him to go through the mental warfare, you

(10:43):
know what I mean, Like in between the ears has
been the issue with with him kind of losing it,
you know, whether it was the stuff last year with
Glacier or you know, just off and that stuff. It's
like if you you kind of want to put that
guy in a situation where he's got to dig deep
and figure it out and you know, not melt down.

(11:05):
But that's kind of the fear too. Is he wanted
to put that guy in that situation a lot and
give him a chance to figure it out, or do
you just want to avoid it at all costs.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, I think he has to go through both Munyos
and Little at Pac twelves because I'm pretty sure Little
was the returning champ. They're not going to go off
of the national rankings. They're going to go off of,
you know, at least most recent history the returning champ.
If you know, if Little maintains being undefeated in the

(11:36):
PAC twelve, he's going to be the top seed. That
means that Munyos and Ferrari are two to three whichever
way you want to put them, and they'll see each
other in the semis. So he's gonna most likely have
to see both of them at the PAC twelve tournament, right,
And I don't for me, I don't see an incentive

(11:57):
for him to wrestle in the finals. I mean, I
think he will, right, but like if the incentive is
to get to the NCAA tournament, and that's all he's
worried about. He wasn't worried about a match with Stephen
Little because it could have if you think about it,
him wrestling Stephen Little this past weekend or last weekend

(12:18):
and winning gives him a easier run for a PAC
twelve title, where then it would flip things and it
would be Little and Munos that would be two three, right,
And now that's not the case where he kind of
solidified himself of being a potentially the three seed if

(12:39):
they're going off of last year's you know, bringing in
last year's results and how things have gone so and
I'm I mean the only thing with Munos is that
I don't know. I don't has he wrestled recently, Yeah,
did he wrestle last week? He just came back, yeah, right, yes,

(13:00):
So like for him, it's he's he's coming off of
an injury and everything else, so it is it is
a little bit different for him, right, But like, I
just don't see the incentive for him to do it, right.
We've seen how many guys at Big tens just be like, nah,
I'm good and injury default out. Well, I mean they

(13:21):
were obviously legit injured. I mean think Norf thinks, Sarachi,
think Spencer. I've seen these guys do it before they're
legit injured, and they just kind of take whatever comes
their way. Obviously, Carter Seracchi, I think, is the first
of any of those guys where it became or No,
I think Nof had had a loss that it kind
of changed his seat a little bit because it was

(13:41):
what multiple multiple injury defaults that I think he had
to take as Yeah. So but no, I think that ultimately,
ultimately things like this are bad for the sport and
they're bad for the conference because you don't it's not
like you're coming from the Big Ten where there are
absolute dogs. I mean, the top three guys in the

(14:04):
weight class are all from the Big Ten, right, Like
you have two other guys in that in your entire
weight class that are legitimate, like contenders to be All Americans.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
So man, it's it's terrible for the sports, terrible for
the conference just and it's not a good look for
him either. So like, after being a guy that says
he's gonna show up and you know, boasting the the
deadlift and and this on social media and and you know,
really showcasing the ego to just not even weigh in

(14:43):
just crazy, absolutely crazy to me. I don't I don't
get it, And it's kind of surprising that it was
like even even a thought to happen.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, I was bombed. I mean this isn't quite exactly
the same thing, but I was bummed with Maryland and Purdue,
with Ethan Miller or not not wrestling. And again, I
don't know if there's an injury situation there. He's been
competing and he's looked good all year. I mean, he's undefeated.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
I was more frustrated by that one.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean that was gonna be an awesome match.
That was going to be an awesome match. It legitimately
could have I mean, you know, mathematically, it would have
changed it from a let's say a hypothetically Ethan you know,
beats Blaze again because he did beat him at the
Tiger Style Invite. That would have made it eighteen seventeen
team score with Purdue still winning, assuming everything else happened

(15:40):
the same, but still just a bummer. Would have been
a really, really awesome match. But again, they'll they'll run
into each other at Big Tens in some way, shape
or form.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
I think the reason I didn't like it it is
because it looks like it's just to protect the seed.
It doesn't look like it's for anything else. Like Ferrari's
been ducking stuff all year, so it's it's not, you know,
not out of character. But Ethan has has wrestled the
top competition. But as soon as he gets that huge
win last week over Kasik with you know, the medical default,

(16:16):
like Willie hit on it up when he's talking about it,
like he called that he was going to duck it,
and he did. Because now he has he's undefeated in conference,
he's undefeated overall. He has a really great shot at
the top seed. After that win, over Kasik and it
feels like he's protecting that. It doesn't feel like he's
you know, out out for legitimate reasons. And maybe he is,

(16:38):
I don't know, but the fact that he doesn't feel
that way.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
The fact that you can call stuff like that though,
is ridiculous, like we should not. It's it's so funny
because you know, we're obviously going to talk Oklahoma State
in Iowa and the nineteen ninety eight match has been
kind of circulating around a little bit, and you know
people are talking about, you know, I WOA c Holoma
State from back then. When you look down that entire

(17:04):
like both rosters just like Hammer on Hammer, and there
was never ever a doubt that those guys were going
to show up. There's not a doubt that any of
the guys are going to They're not going to show
up this weekend, right, Like Oklahoma State and I were wrestling.
Your ones are going right, But like anytime that you
got the chance to wrestle tough competition, you're like, all right,

(17:28):
we're doing it right. I watched what was it Spencer
Lee's interview where he's talking about how he wants to
continue to compete and compete as much as possible because
it's going to make him better. And he was like,
you know, now you have guys that are asking for
crazy amounts of money and it's hard for us to
get a USA versus Russia. When back in the day
it was like, Hey, we're gonna go here and wrestle

(17:50):
these guys, and everybody was like, all right, grab your
shoes and let's go. Now we literally know that guys
aren't going to wrestle certain matches if they're in certain
situations to protet their seed and get an easier time.
What happened to tough wrestling? What happened to us being
you know, gladiators and you know, the the toughest guys
in the sport and toughest guys around. Right, Like, remember

(18:12):
when the Olympics was gonna cut wrestling and we're like,
can't cut wrestling. We're the first, We're the first ever
Olympic sport. We're the toughest around. Remember, I think we'll
see all this stuff now it's.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Going I think that this just answered our debate from
last week around you know if old school dudes were
tougher than the guys now, and I think, yeah, it
just gets to the point it's like, yeah, if there's
a tough match, you're wrestling it like every time and
again you'd go out there with let your leg taped
up from you know, your toes to your hip and
just try not to let him touch that leg, you know. Like,

(18:44):
but yeah, that was that was just a real bummer
because it it looks like exactly that, you know, and
I'm sure that you know, it's not like he'd been
duck in competition all year. He's nineteen and oh he's
been wrestling turn them and he's been wrestling duels. Maybe
it just is what it is, you know. But that

(19:06):
was just one where I was I was pretty surprised
because that was you know, especially for that duel, like
that was not most not many of the matches had
like good you know, ranked guys matching up. So I
was like really pumped for that one, but didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, and this this kind of like it brings our
other conversation full circle right where we're we aren't privy
to injury reports, so you know, everybody, anyone that gets
any sort of information, it's all secretive, right, It's a
text message here, it's a it's a d M here
on Twitter, right, and like then somebody leaks it and

(19:44):
somebody wants to talk about it because people want to
be a lot more out in the open, and people
just want to be a little bit more messy these
days as well, and just be the guy that's putting
the news out there, right. But like the everything is
is just like steeped in illusion these days, where when
you're getting some sort of in tell it's hey, don't
don't tell anybody that I'm telling you this, but this
is what's happening, right, Like this is this guy's now

(20:06):
out or whatever else. It's like if we had true
injury reports, and what's what's ultimately going to what could
potentially make that happen is sports betting, because betting lines
is going to do that. But like we're sitting here
and both of these guys could have legitimate reasons for

(20:28):
why they did not wrestle last week. Could be have
some sort of nagging injury. Oh you know he he
had he was having muscle spasms that day. Oh the
flu was going around, he didn't feel well, whatever, legit reasons.
But we're sitting here and we're like, you know, there's
not much there's not much to tell. There's not much
out there, and if there is much to tell, it's

(20:51):
you know, it's not circulating as much as you as
it would as if there was an injury, right, Like,
there are coaches that tell us about injuries and we're
not supposed to put them out because they want to
have some sort of leg up on the competition. It's like, guys,
if you're injured, it's not like you can be hidden.
There's one versus one. There's not eleven guys on offense

(21:13):
and eleven guys on defense. This isn't football, right, Like,
we can't just hide an injured player and use him
as a decoy in wrestling. So like, the cloak and
dagger that we have to operate under is ridiculous, especially
in these situations where it's just like if we had
true injury reports, then we would come out and say,
you know what, Ethan Miller, it sucks that he missed

(21:35):
last week, but he got banged up during practice during
the week. He twisted his knee. You know, he was
out for such and such reasons. We don't get those
things right, and coaches don't feel entitled to even tell
us those things. They would much rather us speculate, and
then when we speculate, they want to get mad at
us for speculating, and then they want to send us
text messages and dms being pissed off.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
And what's tough, though, is like we know how brutal
the sport this is. We know that realistically at this
point the season, if we had an injury list, you know,
three quarters to your lineup is probably going to be
on there in some fashion or another. Right, It's just
just whether you know how taped up are they at
this point and are they going to go or not?
That's the biggest question. Like, we know people are digged up.

(22:17):
We know there's a lot of nasty viruses and stuff
going around right now, so there's a lot of guys
who are sick and it's legit. But like, having that
knowledge ahead of time can completely change the complexion of
a duel. And I think it's it's fair to want
to know that as a fan, But.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
What honestly would have having an injury report make much
of a difference, you know, because like you said, Willie
called that Miller was going to miss that match days
ahead of time. Why can't Maryland just say, oh, he
hurt his knee. Did he actually hurt his knee or
are they just going through that process because they have to,
you know, just don't play in Dell's advocate here.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
But would it change much? I don't really know if
it would.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I think when Tim Duncan was listed on the injury
report as old, that was it out.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Oh I think have that right now?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't know how much
of a difference it would change.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
But with.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
The what what ultimately changed it in the professional ranks
is money, and we're starting to see, like I said,
more betting lines going around. There's going to be more
with nil, there's going to be more with rev share
where it's it basically is pay for play in these
next coming years. So you can add and I'm sure

(23:34):
you're going to be able to add incentive at some point. So,
you know, if if money is one of those things,
let it talk the way that it does, because it
sure as hell talks in the off season, it sure
as hell talks during recruiting season, So let it talk
during competition season, right, and so an injury report would
go a long way in my eyes, because it brings

(23:57):
these things to light. It lets people know, especially if
a guy has been on the injury report for multiple weeks, Right,
he's he's dinged up, and he's been dinged up for
the greater part of the season. Right, We're gonna we're
gonna sit him here, We're gonna see how how he
looks here. You know, we're gonna give him these duels
or send him here for these matches to test things out.

(24:19):
Here's what the here's what the plan is. But everybody
wants to be so secretive about their plans, like they've
got some secret sauce to success, and they're really I mean,
I'm sure if you talk to any any top level wrestler,
it's like, no, we we just put in the work. Guys,
Like as much as you want to think that, you know,

(24:40):
Kale has a voodoo doll, like they're putting in the work.
They may, I mean, they may be approaching it differently,
but like, let's call it what it is, right, Like,
it's you know, it's just what they do. These guys
are good, and so I would love to see like
an injury report, But again I think that what changes

(25:01):
that is ultimately money. That's just my thought.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
And now I'm just picturing Gale like the ship in
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom where he's just
stabbing Indiana Jones in the back.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
That lady during the super Bowl with the homes one.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
It seemed to work. It definitely seemed to work. I
don't know who knows. Let's the the other controversial thing
to happen last week. We we I think we went
what like maybe one or two weeks without like some
top level and then and then it was just like nah,

(25:44):
back on our bullshit and you know, yeah, like we
we talked about before, this was a couple of weeks ago, Robbie,
you were, you know, in our group, we were talking
about how things went with that app State duel, which
was absolutely horrendous.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Makes my brain hurt.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, none of the none of the calls this past
week were on that level. But it was it was
different where it wasn't bad. It wasn't Yes, it was
bad officiating, but it wasn't like bad officiating to the
sense in the sense of like not being able to
control the match at app Stay. It was out of

(26:23):
control and those referees just lost, didn't know what to
do completely, like there were too many reviews. There was
bricks being thrown, bricks given back. We're gonna look at this,
We're look at that. Yeah, like it was. It was
just absolutely bad, shit crazy this weekend, it was back
to the old inconsistency and the consensus was that and

(26:51):
this is this is from tweets from from Chuck Barbie
that coaches need to adjust and it's like, well, just
to what, like, there's not a rule every different official. Yeah,
like there's not a rule set that they can adjust
to because nobody there is no consistency. First of all,

(27:13):
let's let's let's look at the sly the Seily takedown.
Did you guys think that it was a takedown? And
then what are your thoughts on the inconsistency of the
call or the fact that it was called to take
down and then they watched it for however long and
changed it. What were your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
That was a surprising part to me is that the
they waved it off, Like how can you look at
that after calling it a takedown and then say, nah,
it really wasn't. We're gonna give him twenty seven seconds
of reaction time to see if he can bounce off
that hip and jump back up. That was I don't know.
It's it's crazy the fact that you have a multitude

(27:56):
of top Division one coaches who are publicly saying, we
don't know what a takedown is. We don't know how
officials are going to call this, we don't know what
reaction time is. Like it's it's different every match and
every official and every duel. We need consistency and that
that's what was you know, kind of put out this

(28:16):
week and that the backlash was, well, no, you guys
just need to adjust to our inconsistency. That doesn't make
any damn sense.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
The tough thing for me because like I know that
these officials have like calls that they're on and like
they're looking at at these calls and they're looking at mistakes,
and they're they're talking through what, you know, what should
have happened and where you know, they're they're doing some
like continuous improvement efforts you know, during the weeks, and
they're they're they're not doing this because they like screwing

(28:47):
it up, you know, Like and I get it, it's
bang bang and there's a lot of stuff, but uh,
it does absolutely seem like there there needs to be
some more clear, definitive this this is a takedown, reaction
time is going to be you know, it's something like
some definitive response. We're gonna give them a second or

(29:09):
a count in our head or something like that. You know.
I always said too, like it's a bummer we've got
these out of bound rules and we've got these hanging
on the ankle, you know, five count stuff, because it's
like that used to just be stalling, and officials used
used to call it and that was just how it was.
That's how you managed it, by the official taking control

(29:30):
of the match. And it just seems like it's gotten
so so confusing. Yeah, very very convoluted. And again my
dad used to say all the time, so many of
the world's problems were intended to be solutions, and we're
adding all these new wrinkles into the rule and new
phrases and reaction time and all this stuff, and it's

(29:50):
just messing it up and making it that much more
difficult to get a correct call from and for the
wrestlers to know what to expect, and and coaches don't
know what to expect, and conference to conference it seems
to be different. So it's tough, which is.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Gonna be fun come into double as when you have
conglomberration of all of them coming together and nobody knowing
what the hell is going to go on.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Oh and no, NC Double A has never had any
weird calls or no. I can think of like three
off the top of my head, just from like Aello's backpoints.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Can we talk about that there?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, there was, there was the there was fixed and Ragason.
There was the chaos that was the Vombauer Edmunds match
where the score changed a ton of times.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
I mean, just just insert in Oklahoma States, single it anywhere. Yeah,
let's let's I mean, how many rules have been made
for like Oklahoma stake has I mean you got Jo
in his takedown on Steber right that changed things. You
you got Dean Hayle. I mean now we have a
a what is it uh neutral danger rule because of

(31:01):
Dean hyle right. So like there's so many different things.
I mean, Chris Perry and in his side headlock, like
insert insert in Oklahoma state passed champion, and you will
see a rule that remedies a situation that they either
exploited or didn't or weren't able to gain something from

(31:25):
the the thing that got me in there. I'm looking
at a couple of tweets and the first one is
from Chuck Barbie where he and at all times he
puts the onus on the wrestlers right like, and and
let's call what it is. The wrestlers don't award themselves points.
They don't as we as we saw when when Buzakis

(31:48):
had Davis on his back and they called it a
two and two and then they wiped it away and
just said it was two, like it was just it
was just wild, right like, it just didn't make any sense.
And in every situation he's putting the onus on the
wrestlers to make it, make it finite, where it's like,

(32:08):
I understand, you have to make uh, you have to
show that that you are in control, right but if
you continue to add different nuance to what control is,
it can't be policed correctly. It's just impossible. And I
mean he the tweet that I'm looking at right now,

(32:30):
Barbie says, as I noted in a recent tweet, the
top the top coaches will make the needed adjustments and
and he quotes Kale in saying, sometimes they go your way.
Sometimes they don't. Yes, correct, sometimes things go your way,
sometimes they don't.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
However, sometimes you feel like sometimes you don't.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, it's it's to be the only consistency that we
have is inconsistency in these situations. And that's the that's
the thing, is like it just doesn't make any sense.
And then the the person that I was following more
in this situation was Mark Branch, who was really outspoken

(33:11):
and I want to get Yeah, I want to get
your guys thoughts on two of the tweets that that
he put out, and he says, not trying to fan
the flames, but adjust to what there. That's the issue.
In my opinion, it feels there is a variance of
inner of interpretation to point to a point where most
well versed wrestling minds are not sure what a takedown

(33:34):
is anymore. It would be nice to have a reaction
time defined more clearly. That's the first one. What are
your guys thoughts on on how Branch is interpreting this
as a as a high level coach of wrestling who
has done pretty sure, some pretty significant shit in this sport.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, I agree with.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Them, Like, how do you how do wrestlers adjust when
they don't know what is changing.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Yeah, they don't know what a takedown is. They don't
know what's like you, what are you supposed to adjust
to whatever official you have?

Speaker 4 (34:04):
And like, I'm pretty sure we all know here, but
I don't know if the people at home now, like
every now and then kind of to what Kevin's point was,
the refs are getting emphasis points like hey, here's how
we're scoring this, or giving video evidence to all these refs.
But is that going out to the coaches, is that
going out to media personnel? Is that going out to
just is that public at all? Because I was doing

(34:28):
one of the I was doing one of the matches
at Penn talking to one of the coaches from the
visiting teams before the match, ref comes up. Coach goes, hey, ref,
and anything new for us? He's like, well, yeah, they're emphasizing, uh,
you know, stalling on top once you get your writing
time point. Fine, but I'm gonna start nailing for stalling more.
And coaches like, oh, I'm glad I asked, you know,

(34:48):
so like to that point and maybe it didn't happen
exactly like that. I want to throw this ref under
the bus. But you know it's that's the kind of
thing I'm talking about here, Like where's it transparency?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Like where is this?

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Hey, here's what we're epicit. Here's what we're emphasizing this week.
Here's what you know, some of these interpretations might be
different once we kind of work out these tweaks.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Well at the end of the day too, you know,
it's it's really hard for the officials. I will make that,
I will lean into that.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I don't I don't want their job at all. It's tough.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
But like, similarly, I was calling Michigan and Columbia earlier
this year with miles of mean and he's pretty educated
on the sport, and neither of us remember. Neither of
us could remember like how the takedown reaction time rules
were changed, Like like I don't know, I don't remember.
I know they took it away and then they added

(35:43):
it back and now it's something I don't care. Yeah, yeah,
when they keep changing it up on us.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Too, Because I was talking about reaction time, whether it's
neutrals takedown or just from their behind, your locking hands,
whatever it was. One coach texts me and goes, hey,
that's not the rule. Here, here's the actual role, and
it's like, oh, it's the same position, just whether you're
neutral or on bottom and changes reactions. It's you know,
it's it does make sense. It's just hard to keep

(36:15):
all that in your head, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, I got when I was calling the matches in Nashville,
there was a certain situation that I was unclear on
and I want to look it up. But like I
got a I got an email from a referee and
I want to excuse me, I'll look it up while
we're talking about it, because I want to give this
man props because he sent me an email and he's

(36:41):
a referee, and he completely broke down the entire situation
for me, and he was like, here's you know, here's
what you had said. He's like, here's the interpretation. Here's
some clarification so that you know next time. And I
was like, this is awesome. Like, please, at any point,
if I'm on you know, if it's on this show
or if I'm doing commentary, send me the clarification because

(37:02):
as commentary people, and it's just like people that do this,
as people that are sitting here talking right now, we
want clarification on these things. We want to be able
to tell the masses who are listening and watching what
the hell's going on, you know, And that's what I
used to try and do when I was doing Princeton's
matches when I was back on the East Coast, is like, Okay,

(37:23):
there's a there's a challenge here. What's going on with
the challenge? What are the coaches asking for? What are
the referees looking at? Because obviously the challenge table is
literally right next to you. As a commentator, you can
see the video, you can see everything, so you can
give them the insight of what's truly happening. Right, So
that was always like the biggest thing for me is
like trying to interpret these rules and then trying to

(37:45):
delegate or at least like explain these things to them
to the people that are watching what the hell's going on?
And that's like the hardest part, right, But continue, I'm
gonna I'm gonna look up this email from whoever. I
I want to give this man props of who it was.
But continue on Branch's point as I look this up,

(38:06):
are what are some of your other thoughts on how
Branch is interpreting what these rules are and how there's
these points of emphasis that nobody knows about each week.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Well, I think it's telling that there's so many different
coaches from different conferences saying the exact same thing, Like
there should be a consensus of what reaction time is
and we know, like we can't say, oh, it's going
to be one point three to two seconds, like there
can't be like a fixed time, but we have to
have a consentus on what it actually is and not

(38:39):
you know, well it's different for this guy. It's different
and heavyweight than it is at one twenty five because
they're smaller and faster and they react like that's it
doesn't matter, Like we need to have consistency and that's
what we're looking for and branch, you know, I think
he's really embraced the cowboy nature both from Oklahoma State
and in Wyoming and just he really shoots from the hip.

(39:01):
He's a very straightforward guy. He's not going to hold
anything back and he wants you know, he wants accountability too.
And based off you know what you just said, Holmes,
I think the coaches just want explanation. They want to
understand too, and and that's something I would like to
see more of in a review situation is when there

(39:21):
is a change or not a change in a call,
like explain it, not just say well I didn't see it,
which is what we get a lot of time, or
just said nope, not a takedown, like walk us through
a little bit, like give us, you know, fifteen words
on why it wasn't. Explain something about it that that
we're seeing so we all have a better understanding.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Agreed. I actually found the email. The referee is his
name is Josh Josh Smith. Yeah, well Pittsburgh Pittsburgh official.
It was during the Ohio State and Iowa match and
I was talking about injury time and I had thought that,

(40:05):
you know, after injury time, the other guy gets gets choice,
and he's like, here's why it wasn't you know why
it wasn't that situation because it was concussion protocol and
this that whatever. So he kind of gave me the
kind of the it's a it's a good sized email
too on like everything the rules interpretation. He even included
a attachment of the video of my commentary explaining it too,

(40:28):
so like stuff like that is awesome if there are
referees that watch this show. And I was actually invited
onto a referee podcast. Rick Silowski actually invited me onto. Well,
I didn't get like a true in invite. He said
he wants me on at some point.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
But they have podcasts. They don't just hide they do.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
He has a he has a referees podcast. I cannot
remember what it is called, but yes, there is a
referees podcast. And Rich Rich has always been a good
guy and I've known him for a ton of years.
I think he even ref some of our matches and
Dish's eleven Austin back in the day, so it's always

(41:10):
been great. So, like they are talking about some of
these things they are talking about, like life, you know,
as a referee, and the interpretations and different things.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
But like.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
It's it's tough for us as well as coaches and
wrestlers to adjust to these things, to try to educate
wrestling fans when the people that have the highest wrestling
IQs in the business don't even don't even have the insight.
And that's the that's the hard part, right And this

(41:45):
is Branch's other tweet. He's like, it's hard to adjust
to the unknown. I think wrestlers are adjusting. They're trying
to lock down finishes, but that means discontinuing wrestling and
just trying to hold the position, which also allows their
opponent to change the position, the angle or sneak out
of position. Right, So like with trying to hold something,

(42:05):
something else is going to happen and it then falls
into a new set of reaction time and it just
doesn't there's no concrete way of truly looking at it,
and that's really the issue. And I mean the Braden
Davis one, I was like, I can't believe that they
changed that. And then the Ceily one, I was like,
he strong armed the shit out of him. He throws

(42:28):
into a hip, Like there's no fight in any of this.
Like that wizard the most shallow thing I've ever seen,
and he's just allowing this to continue. It just didn't
make any sense to me. What are your guys' final
thoughts on referee consistency, what you would like to see
change when it comes to refereeing, and how we can

(42:49):
make it better.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
I think we should have robots. Yeah, yeah, Ai, No,
it's this has got to be the hardest sport in
the world to officiate. And you know, I just on
that last point you said there, you know, it's like Yeah,
if you're if you've got a single leg and you're
you know, just trying to collect that other leg, you know,

(43:15):
on the edge of the mat just to get the
two and now all of a sudden they can throw
that wizard in or they can adjust. I mean, it's
got to be completely insane, even with two officials sometimes
you know, to get different angles and to get things done.
I mean, that's how damn hard this is. You can't
just have one person do it at this level. I

(43:35):
think that if at the end of the day, I
think they're just gonna have to change the takedowns and
it's gonna have to just be like, look, if you
if I can make the judgment call that says you
have control of this person, whether there's a wizard in
or not, or whether you know, the circumstances are, like
because the wizard is bullshit like that, that shouldn't stop

(43:55):
a takedown at this point, Like what.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
About a wizard.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Wizard? Wizards can stop they've got magic. But you know,
I mean that's there's gonna have to be a dramatic
change because it's so these guys are so good at
this level to be able to stop, you know, so
much stuff. I mean even at you know, what was
that high school match with Siriano and Dayton Fixed. It
went over a half hour match.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I'll never forget that one, right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Like, those are the sorts of things where it's like,
if these guys can't get takedowns, then maybe takedowns are
too difficult, you know, maybe we need to make some
adjustments with that.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
But in that match they were legit and no takedowns
until the end of it. Though that I will say, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Sure, sure, But I'm just saying, like the point is
we have to start opening the door to have other
conversations about it. Right, maybe a takedown is too tough
to get, or maybe a wizard shouldn't stop a takedown
call from happening. You know, everybody's diving under legs and
scrambling around that way. I mean, I like the getting

(45:00):
a back exposure and getting a take down that way,
but I don't know, There's there's got to be better
ways to do this.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
And like you said, you can tell you can tell
a wizard that's stopping you from getting control versus a
wizard that's just thrown in and it is not stopping
control like it's you know, you you know what when
you see it, and that's you know, you can't legislate that,
but that's that's what it is. Like we know just
because you're throwing a wizard and doesn't mean you didn't

(45:27):
get taken down. Like, I don't know, it's it's it's
it's difficult.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Yeah, it's kind of the same situation where guys going
behind but the bottom guys is really reaching back and
barely has a lock on the leg. Is like, yeah,
technically I see why it's not a takedown yet, but
what is that really preventing a takedown? I just answer
your question, Holmes, like we've talked, we're talking about transparency. Transparency,
that's great, but I think a lot of this could
have been avoided if Chuck Barbie just came out and said, hey,

(45:54):
that ref got it wrong. You know, I think it
was a takedown. A majority of us think it's a takedown.
We're gonna re implement emphasizing these what a takedown is
and send that out to the coaching all the coaches
and whoever else. I think you kind of open a
can of worms. And I get why, you know, he's
protecting his rafts. I get that great, but you gotta
hold that accountable sometimes too, and admit when you're wrong

(46:15):
a little bit. Yeah, they're humans, they make airs, Yeah,
and fine to do it better. If you're afraid of
the blowback from that, maybe don't be a raft or
you know, just that's part of the gig. Pay these
guys more, get training, you know, whatever it is. But
I think they had to be held accountable too when
they when they do make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, call spade a spade man. Like if people don't
shy away from telling us that we're idiots in the comments, right,
like that's our accountable right or or send us dms
or whatever else, right, Like we were accountable to the
audience that watches this. So I think it's I think

(46:53):
we've had two topics so far, right, And the end
result for both the topics we've talked about is we
need more transparency. We need, you know, more transparency into
wrestler injuries and things like that. So it doesn't sound
like it's, you know, it's a backroom deal of what
the hell is going on, and we need more transparency

(47:14):
of what's being emphasized and how they're calling takedowns takedowns.
You know, and if you are emphasizing something one week,
then they should know about it, you know. I it's funny,
like the football season just ended, but I remember that
first game of the year between the Chiefs and the
Ravens where they called so many penalties, so many of
the same penalties, where they're like, yeah, this is what
they're this is what they're emphasizing this year of a

(47:35):
legal formation. And then after like two weeks they were like, yeah,
I think we fixed it. It's like, you didn't fix it.
You just realized that you were ruining the game and
you had to You had to fix yourselves. So like,
if there is a point of emphasis, fix yourselves. Because
there's only so much that the wrestlers can do. There
really is only so much that the wrestlers can do.
And and I'm sorry, but like Chuck Barbie putting it

(47:58):
on the wrestlers to to make it as clear as
day that it's a takedown, it's hard to do. It's
really hard to do.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Hard to do.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, yeah, like it's it's not it's not always going
to be cut and dry, but you you also are
there to interpret the rules and enforce the rules and
know what you're looking at and if you don't, then
there needs to be some clarity on your end, so
that there's clarity on our end, both coaches, wrestlers and media.

(48:32):
So you know, I would love to just see a
lot more transparency when it comes to all these things.
And that's the bottom line for me, is like, give
give me more, you know, give us more transparency of
what what it is we're truly seeing because I know,
you know, my eyes aren't lying to me when I

(48:53):
see Sealy break a guy down to his hip and
he's got both legs and there's you know, a hand,
not even a full whiz are just the hand kind
of hanging in an armpit. That's not preventing anything from happening.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
So strong hand.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
It had to be. It prevented the takedown must have
been his strong hand. Well, let's move to some wrestling.
Let's let's start in the ACC. Robbie Gonna let you
take it away. Uh, we've got Virginia Tech and NC State,
two teams that have been on the top of the
ACC for quite a while and been battling late in

(49:28):
the year for that ACC title as well as at
the conference tournament. But there's kind of a weird breakdown
and how things can happen with the ACC. So why
don't you kind of give us the landscape of that
and then get into the NC State versus Virginia Tech match.
What are some of the big matches? Where do you
see you know, some of the ebbs and flows during

(49:49):
the duel, and you know, we'll make our picks and
say who we think is gonna win.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
So the ACC is weird for a lot of reasons.
We have a West Coast team on the Atlantic Coast
Conference now, so that's kind of weird. Ok, yeah, every
guy I like it. So for the dual title, it's
solely based off a record. Head to head matches don't matter.
So whatever team has the best record after they've dueled

(50:16):
every team in the conference, that's the conference dual champion.
So as of right now, NC State is the only
undefeated team, So if they win in Blacksburg on Friday,
they win outright if they are to lose to Virginia Tech.
Virginia Tech previously lost to North Carolina in the opening duel,

(50:39):
so if they are to if Virginia Tech beats NC State,
then both of them earn a share of the title.
Having only one loss, then North Carolina still only has
one loss because they lost NC State. So if North
Carolina beats Stanford, they also win a share of the title.

(51:00):
If Virginia Tech beats ENC State, So it's yeah, it's uh,
it's it's a lot. There could be three trophies this year,
and that's kind of weird two of them come Friday.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
That's not how they work.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
That's welcome to twenty twenty five. Everybody gets trophy, that's.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
How well they will. Will they all get like ACC
championship rings.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Too, Yes, they all get banners too. It's it's wild.
So like I understand, like this one would be a
clustered buck if if if everybody does, if if Virginia
Tech wins and UNC wins, if they were to actually
split it based on head to head matches, it would
still be a three way tie because NC State, U

(51:45):
n C U n C be, Virginia Tech, Virginia TACH
bet NC State, So it's still be a three way
head to head tie. So it's this is a weird,
weird year for it anyway, So a lot on the
line on Friday in Blacksburg, and out of all of
the teams that that NC State has faced in conference.

(52:05):
Virginia Tech matches up with them better than anybody else does.
It was a really close duel with m C State
and UNC. UNC has been sneaky good this year. They've
been in every duel they've they've they've had and they've
found ways to win. And that's why they have a
shot at the duel title this week too. But I

(52:25):
don't know, there's gonna be some some damn good matches
on Friday. I'm excited to get down there so we can.
We can walk through it real quick and let's look
at look at who we got. So one twenty five
we'll have Vincent Robinson and Eddie Van Tresca, So number
three versus number five. Thirty three is kayle I Roenian
and Connor McGonagall, so fourteen versus thirteen. One is up

(52:47):
in the air right now. For Ency State, Tyler Tracy
had been wrestling there, but Troy Jillman actually bumped up
Await last week and beat a ranked guy from Stanford,
Jason Miranda. So one of those two will have Sam Latona,
who's number ten in the country. One nine Haylea Penson,
number one. We got a stall call last week, which
is the stupidest shit ever because that man doesn't stall.

(53:10):
I've never seen him stall in my life. He will
face number two Coy Bisgians, who you'll never pronounce that
name right if you don't hear it, because it doesn't
look like Biskins No. Fifty sevens Ed Scott and Rafael
Hippolito fifteen to twelve. Sixty five is twenty eight, Derek
Fields and Mac Churchie just dropped out of the rankings

(53:30):
last week. Seventy four is twenty two, Matty Singleton and
number twenty Lenox Wolach. Eighty four's fourteen Dolin Fishback and
number twenty TJ. Stewart ninety seven is thirty one, Christian
knap In sixteen Andy Smith and two eighty five is
number four Isaac Trumbulle, number thirteen Jimmy Mullen. So just
fire matchups up and down the lineup. I really don't

(53:54):
know where they're going to want to start with this one.
If either team has the choice, like what what would
make the most sense to give either of them more
momentum because they're so many of these matches are are
coin flip, so it's it's gonna be a it's gonna
be a tight match, man, I don't really know how
it shakes out.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah, I'm looking at Wrestlestat right now. They have it
twenty to thirteen Virginia Tech is how they have it.
That first match one twenty five is going to be crazy.
Van Tresca and Robinson are wide open. Yeah, so I'm
I'm hoping for a lot of points.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
In that one. It's probably gonna be a one er
ride out, most likely tiebreaker. Three.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Uh, who who do you think? I mean, it's it
is pretty even, but like, who do you think has
the edge and who do you think wins this one?

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I think Vntruska has the edge just because he's been
through more, because this is this is Bence's first year
as a starter, and he hasn't had the battles that
vin Trusca has had, you know, coming through the tournament
last year and and or two years ago and earning
All American status eye test. I think Vincent's looked better

(55:15):
this year, but Eddie has looked fantastic lately.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
So it's.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Coin flip on this one. I don't even know. I don't,
I don't. I don't have a leaning either way on
this one. Most of the matches that I do, this one,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
We do have what is it for rematches? Yeah, four
four matches that have happened at some point during their career,
with the first one being Ed Scott and Hippolito. That's
what I want. Yeah, Hippolito is is a wild card. Obviously,

(55:58):
Ed Scott has a has a head lock, even though
he's gotten more traditional and and that's the thing, is
he he I believe he's gotten he got the highly treatment. Yeah,
he's gotten the Hide League treatment where the high Lee's
were really are really good with under hooks, and everybody
knew they were really good with under hooks, so you know,

(56:20):
the coaching staff forced them to wrestle without under hooks
in the room and open up their offense. And I
think that's kind of the same thing that I see
with Ed Scott where he's he you know, he's really
good with with his with his headlock. I mean he
pinned a guy in the state finals with it with
the headlock. I'll never forget that. I was literally matt
side for that. But they've really gotten him to open
up his offense. And but the thing is he's got

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ebbs and flows throughout his entire career, including this year
where he's had losses, and you know, so that's this
is going to be an interesting one, right. And the
last time they wrestled was last year and Hippolyto won
twelve seven.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
So Hippolytos also coming off a loss last week to
Jared Evans from from Pittsburgh, so ur Dylan Evans from Pittsburgh,
and he's coming back off an injury and did not
look himself last week. So you know, we'll see if
another week of rest and being able to go full

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bore in the room pays the difference, because the guy
that that wrestled last week won't be that Scott, but
the guy that we've seen all year can.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
The other one I want to get to is TJ.
Stewart versus Fishback. Fishback has two wins over him, eighty
five and seven two. But the TJ. Stewart that we saw,
and mind you, both of those were last year that
we had seen those matches. They haven't hit at all
at any of the tournaments this year. But TJ. Stewart

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did not look like the same TJ. Stewart that we
had seen last year. I mean, he was lightning in
that opening round of NCAA's like that was insane. But
he hasn't been the same guy this year. But he
has as of late. What have you seen from TJ
Stewart that has changed things and kind of maybe shifted

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how he's how he's been wrestling.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
He's he's opened up again, and the beginning of the year,
coming back off knee.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Injury, he doesn't say is he healthier?

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Now? Yeah, I mean he's well. I mean, just like
anybody else, he's still dinged up because it's the nature
of the beast, but he's not tentative like he was
all first semester. The first semester he seemed like a
completely different wrestler because he wasn't attacking, he wasn't opening up.
He just was sitting back and hoping to win close matches,

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and that's not a style that works for him. The
last few weeks we've seen him be wide open. He's
going for his upper body work that that you know,
he's very successful work with. He's putting a lot more
points on the board and seems to be having fun again,
which is which is important for him, I think mentally

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for him to be in that position makes makes a
huge difference for him and Fishback's been it's tough all year,
like he's he's had some great wins and he's had
some really head scratching losses. So I think TJ is
is will most likely dictate the pace of this match,
and if he's able to to get to his offense,

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I think TJ has the edge here based off of
what we've seen from Fishback this year.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
It's funny. I I was trying to think of somebody
who doesn't like having fun, like the opposite of TJ Stewart.
I was like Gilman, Thomas. Gilman looks like he always
needs to be mad at something.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Have you seen Caleb Henson wrestle Caleb.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
I've seen Caleb.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
He's definitely have he definitely has fun, but he doesn't
have fun.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Ye do take a look at last week's show The
thumb Nail. For last week's show, he's the man's in
a Spider Man post. Yeah, so he has he has fun, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
But now he's beating on people watching watching TJ Stewart
at like just I mean, he must have gotten into
wrestling watching Vision Quest and been like lat drops sweet
all you need because he's awesome. Yeah where it works
every time. Uh yeah, he's awesome to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I'm I'm pumped. I mean this duol, I've I've got
it written down here. I've got it sixteen fifteen, just
at my initial look and with only bonus points coming
from Henson at forty nine. But I've got it split
five to five, like it's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Going through it. The first time I had it seventeen
fifteen in favor of Virginia Tech, with bonus points from
Latona and Hanson. But I think that's the only bonus
point potential I really see with any matches there maybe Trumble.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Or Trumble, maybe Trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yeah, but Jimmy's been been looking really good too, so
it's yeah, I think that one's going to be a
lower scoring heavyweight match. Yeah, but again, both of them
are really dynamic and can put up crazy points, so
you know, maybe that'll be a wide open match too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Well. And that's the wild thing about this duel is
like wherever there's like there's potential for upsets at several weights, right,
so you could you know, have thirty three go either way,
fifty seven goal either I mean, it could be a
seven to three match, it could be five to five,
it could be whatever. But it's gonna be fun. You know.
It's gonna be that. And somebody is going to win

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the ACC title this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Year, maybe maybe three teams. Maybe I think you should
make them divide up the trophy and cut it into pieces.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Yeah, wa did the same thing the ACC did this year, Robbie,
and they were gonna mimic how the they did co
champions either though one team beat the other team that
I was just like, does.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Head to head not matter anymore? What's what's going on here?
But yeah, at least this year, like they can justify
it because it would be like a round robin where
they beat each other. But normally, like a couple of
years ago, somebody won it. I remember it was it
was Virginia Tech won it but they lost to NC
State or NC State won it but they lost to Virginia.

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I don't remember. It was a weird combination or something, right,
and it didn't count. Yeah, it was the COVID year.
We had too many people so they weren't able to
actually wrestle the duel, so it was kind of as
a forfeit but then they came back and wrestled the
duel again. Yeah, as a non conference to it, it
is a weird year. I'd like to forget those two

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years of wrestling in general.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
So who are we picking? Who are we taking to
win the duel? Do we get a three way ACC
championship tie? Or does NC State just say we're still
sitting at the top.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
I got Hokies, I got I like you're doing a
tech too. Yeah. I think the Hokies. I think they
have the edge being at home especially. I think that's
going to give them give them a boost. But there's
also a possibility of it just being a two way
tie with NC State and Virginia Tech because Stanford is

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going to give UNC a test the way they match up.
So that's not a guarantee. Like I said, he's been
in every duel, but it's going to be. This is
gonna Stanford matches up with them better than pretty much
any other team does other than ANC State. So I've
got that one pretty close as well. The only the

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only thing working against Stanford there is forfeiting twenty five,
But they have the they have the horses to to
make up those those forfeit points.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
So you've got NCAA champion, Lorenzo Norman.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Hopefully he wrestles this week.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That would help Lef'll go a long way. I'm taking
NC State. I'll uh, I'll stake the claim on NC State.
So it's not a clean sweep of the board and
say NC State gets it done. But I mean, I
love that there are multiple rivalries that happen, not just

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this weekend, but like that happened in the sport of wrestling,
right like you, U n C and NC State in
past years wasn't much of anything, right like you. I
can remember being in North Carolina when NC State and
UNC wrestled and there was so much red in the
UNC's gym it was crazy. So it's it's it's good

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that there there's a lot more parody in the sport,
for sure, and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
There was a lot more. They are a lot more
Carolina Blue this year than there was well pack red.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
I mean, you gotta build a fan base and and
you know, do the right things. And Rutgers he definitely
knows how to do that. He definitely knows how to
do that. Speaking of rivalries, the other one that everybody
is talking about is Iowa versus Oklahoma State. It is
the first time that David Taylor will take on the

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Brands as a head coach, and it's going to be close,
just as close as NC State and Virginia Tech. The
I wish I had the all time record in here,
but I don't. But this is I think. First of all,

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the big thing that everybody is looking at is that
in the probables for Iowa there is no Ferrari. So
Ferrari is not listed in the Iowa probables.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
He wasn't listening in Iowa State due either exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
How how much stake do we put in that? Do
we think? Do we think? And here's the thing. He
has one more date left and we we had speculated
before that this is where we would see him again.
Was up against Dustin Plott, allowing Gabe Arnold to not
hit you know, essentially two of the top three guys

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in the weight class h when coming up against them
and and them throwing out Ferrari and allowing Gabe to
to what is it load manage so to speak? What
do we think about that? I mean, Nelson Brands is
back in there. He wasn't in there before for a
couple other duels too. Nelson Brands is in as an

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or at one seventy four with Patrick Kennedy, but there
there is no or. It's just Gabe Arnold listed at
one eighty four. What do we make of that? And
do we think that we actually do we still think
that we act actually do see Ferrari? Kevin, what's your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
I don't think we see Ferrari. I think that they've
they've talked about Arnold being the guy enough times, and
I know, you know last week and we talked about
everything that happened with Penn State and everything else. But
I just think at this point, especially with a guy
who's coming off a couple of losses in conference and
even in the wins that he's had hasn't looked great,
they're gonna want to get him out there and get

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him the good competition because ultimately he's going to be
their guy in March, you know, and this Iowa team
does still think they're going to be battling for a
trophy and they're gonna want that guy battle tested, right,
would be my thought. I just think I think that
they're gonna need to get that guy some more confidence

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and win or lose going out there and competing hard
against Dustin Plott is going to be helpful with that.
Did he wrestle last year against Oklahoma State? I feel
like he did. It was Iowa State. Bear with me,
I'm looking it up right now. I think he did. Hold.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
I'm hesitant to because he's a true freshman this year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
No, he's a he's a red shirt freshman this year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Five to one. Yep, he wrestled the plot, so I
stick with it. I think they're gonna want to throw
him back out there. You know, who knows, Maybe he
comes away with a win. I mean it's less likely
than than not. But you know, those are the sorts
of things that that I think they're gonna want to
do with a guy who's hitting a slump right now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Yeah, Austin your thoughts, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Think I think I agree with Claunch. I think they're
gonna throw him out there. Just turn off all outside noise,
all the speculation, all the rumors, you know, whatever you
want to call it, all the all the chatter about
gay Ronald versus Ferrari, who's better?

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Who's not part of me? Says?

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
You know, Brand said, Ferrari isn't going to wrestle cupcakes.
I'm pretty sure a plot would fall into this category
of not being a cupcake. So and he has one
date left, you know, so the stars kind of a
line for Ferrari. But I'm leaning more towards Arnold's he
wrestling close last year. It'd be a good gaugeous see
you know how how much plot has improved, or if

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Arnold was kind of closing that gap there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Robbie, I think it would be a poor choice to
wrestle Ferrari. I think kind of what Kevin said. I
think Gabe needs needs a good test, and this being
the final final week of the regular season, after you know,
relatively close matches throughout the Big ten season, he needs

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some momentum going in and a win over Dustin Plot
would be huge. But Austin said, we don't know what
you're just gonna do because they want to give Ferrari
all these big matches. So I mean, we could certainly
see it. I don't. I don't think it would be
a good choice. I think you need to wrestle your
your number ones in the final weekend and you know,

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barring any injury, just to end on a good note
and be ready to go into the postseason.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Had we not seen Ferrari surprisingly be the only guy
that weighed in at Penn State, I would say that
there's no way he's wrestling here. Right If Gabe Arnold
wrestles Carter Sarachi, You're like, there's no reason he's not
wrestling Plot. I think I think we do see Ferrari,

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and the reason being is the opposite of the confidence
builder that you know, the confidence building argument that you
guys have of say, you know, he hasn't had very
good he hasn't wrestled very well this year. He's had
very close wins. I mean he went to overtime with Rugotsky.

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You know, he's had some very tough losses as well.
You want him to be one as fresh. If you're
sticking with the load management argument, you wantly be as
fresh as possible. And you also you do want him
to have confidence. Sending him out there to potentially lose
again to Dustin Plot because he's not favored at all

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in this bout. To lose another match to Dustin Plot
would not be the confidence builder for me, even if
it is a close one. Last year, he had nothing
to lose last year. It was like it was the
same situation that he was in with Ferrari this year.
He's wrestling tight and you can see it, and mostly

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because he's not just going out there trying to, you know,
assert his dominance on the one hundred and eighty four
pound weight class. He's trying to assert himself in his
own damn lineup. So he's wrestling tight, and he's not
looking his best week after week, and it's not resulting
in good, good wrestling for him, and then there's ultimately

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not the best results for him. So that's why I
feel like there's a potential that is greater than fifty
percent of the probables, not meaning a damn thing, and
us seeing Ferrari out there mostly also mostly because of
how he wrestled excuse mean, how he wrestled Carter Serachi.

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He's it's very hard to get to Ferrari's legs, very hard.
Carter Serachi was only able to do it on reattacks.
He couldn't use his own attacks to get there, mostly,
I mean, and we broke that down and mostly because
of you know, Ferrari backing up and being on a
knee the whole time, So kind of got to take yes,
but he's still very good defensively, very good in collar tie.

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So I think that we see Ferrari at eighty four.
That's just my thought. But there's some big there's some
other big matches that are potentially happening in in this one,
you know that where we can see very tight matches,
right like I mean seventy four as well Hamity versus

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versus Kennedy. You know, Hammity has looked very good this year,
as you know, I can't remember a time maybe back
to his freshman year, like early in his career, where
he looked this confident in his wrestling. In this free
in his wrestling wrestling, he's undefeated. He's very fun to watch,

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and he's wrestling undefeated. I mean, who knew that another
long and lanky sixty five seventy four pounder as a
coach would work out well for a long and lengthy
seventy four pounder, right, you know. And then it's been
it's been some tough sledding for Keeter as well, and
him against Wyat Hendrickson. I think we'll see what Hendrickson

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is made of more so than Keeter, because Keeter, I mean,
he was just TechEd in the first period by Gable.
He does have you know, a win over Ohio State,
Winnie Russell Hise State, and but it hasn't been the
easiest for him, right, So what do you guys make
of some of the matchups that I've thrown out there?

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And are there any other matchups that you can't wait
to see in Iowa versus Olkholm State.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Well, I think that I have two questions about the lineup,
and his first one is are we going to see
team er mhm? And the second one is, you know,
are we gonna see Nelson Brands instead of PK? And
is I mean it'll be senior night for his what
ninth year at Iowa, seventh year at Iowa? So are
they going to throw him out there for his final

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match in Carver?

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
He's been at Iowa his entire life. Let's be real,
It's not fair this year twenty four all right? So yeah,
I mean the teamer is the biggest thing. Is the
biggest thing. Estrada has looked good when he's been out
there and went to overtime with Chumbley, but that's not
what you need for that duel. You know, Caleb Fish

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has had a good year he's he's more than capable
of getting on the podium. He's he's gonna be tough
for for team or to beat let alone, you know estrata.
So I think that's the biggest thing for me. If
if I was gonna win this, they're going to have
to have their full lineup. Then they're gonna need to
get bonus points at thirty three and forty nine, because yeah,

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I got him winning fifty seven. I got him winning.
You know what, I didn't realize cam Amin and Caliendo
went to overtime last year at Big Tens, So that's
that's kind of a toss u is. Yeah, like that's
kind of a toss up too. I I I thought
Caliendo had beaten him up pretty good, but I guess

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not so.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
And A mean wasn't wrestling his best last year either, No, No,
he was not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
He's looked pretty good, gotten bonus points a couple times
this year, which was surprising and encouraging. So but no,
I have this one split five to five as well.
I just have the bonus points at thirty three and
forty nine winning it for Iowa in the end. Yeah,
I was just gonna ask that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
I think I have it five to five too, But
which matches and for who does get bonus points?

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
I think Ayala, I would think so too.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Yeah, but does Hendrickson get bonus I also I think
committee could get bonus points too, And that's the way
he's that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Well, that's the crazy thing. So like I have on
my sheet here, Yeah, Hendrickson gets four, gets a major.
He could he could tack him, he could pin him,
which wat should happen, you know, like, and maybe that's
not fair to Keeter either, you know, because like Gable's
just doing that to everybody in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Oh yeah, so Hendrickson though not to the same degree,
but he's been incredibly dominant this year. Yeah, way better mustache.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yes, But you know, I guess that's the other thing
here though, too. Right, It's like you got to start
thinking about So I'm assuming when thirty three nine get
majors for IOWA, because that's part of the coaching and
the specific game plan. You guys, go put up points.
We are going to need you here to win this.
I'm assuming they're saying the same thing to Keeter, right, like, hey,

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if you can keep this close, keep it close, right, Like,
don't get go to your back, don't you know. Look
for like just it's gonna come up to you to
hopefully not get major or pinned or whatever to get
this done. I I just think I was gonna gonna
figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
I think for for Oklahoma State, obviously the big one
is at eighty four, regardless of what Iowa does, But
for them points wise, twenty five right off the bats
a big one. They are probably going to need some
bonus points from Sprattley.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Cruise has looked really good though, yeas.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
I love Joey Kruise, absolutely love that kid. Was a
big fan of him when he was at Clovis North
back in high school. Awesome kid. Definitely want to see
his ascension. He's not there yet, but I think he
can get there. But I think they're going Oklahoma State's

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going to need bonus from Sprattley. Sprattley's going to have
to really be attacking. He's gonna have to really really
put it out there. And then the other two spots
that Oklahoma State is going to need bonus is from
Hammony at seventy four and definitely from Hendrickson at two
eighty five. That's I don't think. I don't think that

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Hammity gets bonus points against Kennedy. I think against Brands
maybe there's some potential there only because we haven't seen
brand So I don't really know what he's what he's
coming with, right, There's there's no way of really knowing.
But I think Hendrickson tries to put it on Keeter
like I think that he tries. I mean, this is

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this is. I don't think he's ever wrestled in Carver either,
so like I feel like he's just been out to
just do do whatever he possibly can to make this
the best year that he possibly Yeah, like I gotta
go and do this like I got I mean, essentially
he got a special exemption to even go to Oklahoma
State and make these things happen. He has to make right,

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like he's got to make the most of it. He's
gotta soak all of it up in Carver. And the
only other thing is, you know we talked about the
Kale tax. People get Carvered. You've seen it happen where
guys just crumble in Carver, Hawkeye and Iowa guys thrive.

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Other guys do not, right, and especially even you know
during this rivalry, it happens where guys do not show up,
so I I I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with Iowa,
though I think Iowa does pull this one out. It's
two to three points that that they do it. But

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if Oklahoma State gets the bonus points that they need,
this could this could be ugly because I don't really see.
I don't see I would getting the bonus points the
same way that Oklahoma State can get bonus points. I
think Oka home mistate can can really blow this out

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of the water in terms of getting bonus points, not
so much blow Eyowa away, but in terms of getting
bonus points where they need to get bonus points, they can.
I mean, Hendrickson could end up with five or six, right, Like,
that's very possible if he just goes out there and
muscles his way through through Keeter, who's still kind of
getting his feet under him, you know, good wins, bad wins,

(01:21:24):
good losses, bad losses still kind of get his feet
under him. So but obviously it's it's all eyes on
eighty four, and I think that at eighty four regardless,
it's a decision, but I think it's a it's a
closer loss for Dustin Plot if he wrestles. Ferrari, how

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do you guys see this one shaking out? Who are
you guys picking to win the duel?

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
I think if it's in a vacuum, neutral site, or
even at Oklahoma State, I think Olahoma State takes it.
But that point you mentioned about just being at Carver,
you know, one of those matches that maybe might be
leaning Oklahoma State's we might get. I think I have
to take Iowa just because you mentioned it. Shit happens

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all the time at Carver. People crumble, you know, stalling
calls are maybe a little one sided for Iowa's way,
and that could be a difference in a toss up
match that the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Refs get carvered more than anybody in Harbor.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
I mean, the whistle blows, the guy takes a step back,
the fans are called installing already.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
It's it gets kind.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
Of crazy, but yeah, that's just that environment, and it's
it's tough to come in there in a tight match
and you know, win all the close ones. So I
think you gotta go to advantage Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
keV Robbie your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah, I mean I'm going the same I got Io
was seventeen Oklahoma State sixteen. I did start to panic
a little bit, thinking about like, man taking Jamis it
is awesome, and he could get bonus points at forty one,
Like that's a big gap. But I just have enough
faith in Joey Cruz. He's wrestled really well. I don't

(01:23:12):
think he's going to beat Spratley, but I don't think
he's gonna get majored. I don't think that's gonna happen
at all. And then the only other thing I was
thinking too, assume full health for both guys. I'm I
think I would rather have Nelson Brands than Patrick Kennedy
in the lineup, Like I think I've seen brands on

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the podium. I've seen brands like dictate the pace of matches.
I've seen Kennedy lose some weird ones from time to time.
So it's not exactly the topic, but I was just
thinking about that. I'm like, no, you know what I
think I would I I've decided I would like I
would rather have Nelson Brands, assuming he's healthy, than than

(01:23:57):
Patrick Kennedy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Do you think he keeps it with with hamity.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
I think he's a more consistent force in general, I
would agree, So I definitely think he would be the
better option against Hammity to slow him down. I think
defensively he's less of a liability and less prone to
getting large scores put up on him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Have we seen him be stingy?

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Yeah? Yeah, I think what it hinges onto for me
is is teamer, and if Teamer goes or not, I
think it's a five to five spot. I think I
don't know. With with the points that I've seen Oklahoma
State put up this year, it's hard for me not

(01:24:41):
to lean towards them right now. And with the health
questions with Teamer, I think I'm gonna I'm gonna lean
towards I'm gonna lean with with Oklahoma State here to
outdo it on bonus points, to put up one more

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bonus point than the Hawkeyes do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
And what if like Cam wins, like he could win,
he could win that. Yeah, he's wrestled in Corver before.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
That would be a huge win. Kelly Endo has been
been damn good this year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
I mean again, it comes back to how much steake
do we do? We put in the probables? Right, Like,
I say, not much, but then you look at fifty
seven and you're like, Okay, maybe because at fifty seven,
Teamer is the only one listed and seventy four or
eighty four, Arnold's the only one listed. However, I think
that we see Ferrari and not Arnold here, whereas we

(01:25:43):
could see Estrada at fifty seven. Who's been in the lineup?
I think, you know, again back to transparency of injury
reports and stuff like that, but like how healthy is teamer.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
And are they willing to risk that we're a non
conference duel the week before postseason?

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Very very true. So we're all taking I with though,
huh no, I'm going to you have Oklahoma State, go
to Oklahoma State.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
It's funny looking at the wrestle stack common opponents or
one fifty seven. Jacorey Teamer and Caleb Fish each have
Peyton Rob as a common opponent. Jacorey Teamer wreusselled Rob
in twenty nineteen, six years ago, and he still has.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Oh man, that's crazy. That is wild, all right. So
Rivalry weekend, it will be tons and tons of fun
before we wrap things up. Austin, what do we have
in the EWA we'll kind of go around the horn
without other things we have going on outside of these
rivalries Austin E. W A and Ivy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
What do we got We were just talking where he's
figured out speak on one of the greatest ones. I
think Army versus Navy. Army came away with that one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
This year.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
They won ten of their seven of the ten bouts,
but the ones that they won were all decided within
the last minute. They were all very It was really
close match. Scoreboard may not indicate it, but.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Did Wolfgang win Wolfgang? I think he did win. Yes,
Did Gunner win Gunner?

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I think he did as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
That's one of fantastic names. All name team. Good job Army.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
We will have an all name team at the end
of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
We'll have to do it, especially Gunner. I mean, the
rest of me doesn't get any better than that. But yeah,
really really cool event at halftime. Coach Ward got a
million dollar endowment from the class of nineteen seventy two.
So I kind of took to him on the phone
about some of that stuff, just you know how cool
that rivalry is, the atmosphere of that match, and the
main thing he brought away was, you know, this duel

(01:27:53):
actually means something.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
You know, he's kind of joker out with me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
You know, the sport has kind of gone to a
place where we care about three days out of a
five day season or a five month season.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Excuse me.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
You know, so this is just a really cool rivalry,
a really cool duel, and you know, watching it on flow,
really cool atmosphere, great commentating, just the energy was was
really really cool. But so congrats to Army Black Knights.
A lot of cool stuff going on there this weekend.
Lehigh wrestles Arizona State tomorrow at Lehigh. Not a whole

(01:28:25):
ton going on in the EWA Direxel hosts Maryland. Could
be some good matches there. Main thing I'm looking out
for on my end is the and I made a
tweet about at the F and M Invitational, I'm going
to see a lot of local teams put in some
guys to either up their RPI, up their win percentage,
what have you interested to see who they enter at

(01:28:49):
one thirty three. If that's going to be Lopes, that
would be his sixth state, which would take away his
red shirt if they put it in Crookham. Obviously, it
means he's going to be back for the WA's and
he'll be healthy. So those entries should be coming in
any day now, so I'll keep you guys posted on
what I hear there. But yeah, then Ivy League's Penn

(01:29:12):
just wrestled Rutgers, had him on the ropes and lost
the last five matches to lose that one. They won
the first four, so they're wrestled pretty well. They just
kind of beat down Printed on Sunday and then yeah,
that's that's pretty much all I got pretty late week
this week for for duels.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Yeah, Robbie a C C.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
U n C heading up to Stanford. There's gonna be
some fun ones there. Lochlan McNeil Jade Navis would be
a good match, that'll be I mean, that'll be a
good duel, kind of up and down. Taylor Knox you
will be a good match as well. Tyler Knox has
been super impressive this year, really fun to watch, putting
up lots of points. And then pitt Is at Virginia

(01:29:58):
Big One. There's Sedanio and uh Solomon, No, yes, no,
I'm losing my mind. Hold on, let me lea get
my sheet the Santanniello. That's a right, Solomon Solomon and
jack Gieoffrey. Hopefully that's what I'm thinking they've had some

(01:30:22):
crazy illnesses going through the UVA lineup, and it's really
made it difficult to know who's going to be starting
because they don't know who's gonna be healthy at any
given point. So I'm hopeful that they have as semblance
of their full lineup back, but some good ones to
watch there. Maxed Out has been incredibly impressive when seventeenth straight,

(01:30:45):
and we'll be favored here. Hopefully we're seeing rese Heller
back as well after coming off an injury. But yeah,
a couple of fun duels. All three of the duels
should be relatively close, so be a nice competit of
way to end the ACC season.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Awesome, Kevin, I'm pretty sure I know where you're gonna
end up with this one, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Does it involve Michigan schools all of them?

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Michigan State wrestles Central Michigan on Friday. It is senior
night for the Chipewase, so I'm very excited. They've got
Alex Kramer Johnny Love it as like two of their
main guys who are going to be gone. I think
Cameron Woods a senior, he's been in and out of
the lineup at one ninety seven. But I mean those
are the two main guys. Those guys have been the

(01:31:37):
contributors in their lineup for a while. So and I
think they can beat Michigan State this year. So States,
you know, they're not doing great. They just they just
lost actually, uh to Michigan on Sunday at home, so
that was you know, I think they're gonna they're winless

(01:31:58):
in the Big Ten this year. And so but yeah,
then Central Michigan travels to an arbor on Sunday to
wrestle the Wolverines there, so that'll be fun. I hopefully
will be down there calling that one. So looking forward
to that. And but yeah, other than that, you know,

(01:32:18):
there's not a not a whole ton of crazy action
going on. Penn State Wrestles, American.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
American get a pulled off.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Doc the world guys Nebraska and Purdue on Sunday. That's
gonna be actually on Big Ten networks. So yeah, Sunday
they actually do back to back duels Nebraska at Purdue,
followed by the Okhoma State Iowa duel.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
So there should be some matchups in the Nebraska dool.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Yeah, well you'll get to get the Caleb Smith and
Ramos match with Taylor and Blaze should be good. So yeah,
that'll be There'll be some good matches there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Nice for me. I'm I'm just gonna I just want
to give a shout out to you and I because
they do amazing work selling out last week, great atmosphere
for Senior Day. They beat Iowa State. It was what
twenty six to ten. Good way to kind of send

(01:33:30):
kek Kaizen, you know, off and onto what could potentially
be another NCAA championship. This weekend, they face off against
Wisconsin to finish out the dual season. But just like
the things that you and I does, I mean, I've
always been a big Roper fan, always been a big

(01:33:51):
Schwab fan. Every time I see Schwab, he's always you know,
it's always awesome to talk to him and his wife
and you know, and I always I love how he
has just really just built that fan base into what
it is. And they've done it with you know, grit,
good wrestling, just like tons of hard work, putting out

(01:34:14):
good videos, you know, and then he has his pressers
during the week, and you know, at this point in time,
he he takes the time to not even talk about
his team, but like kind of open up about his
family and talk about his sons, and you know, so
Schwab's always been, always been a great guy. I think
anybody would be lucky to wrestle for Dug Schwab if

(01:34:35):
you have, if he is showing you any sort of
attention on the recruiting trail, definitely look long and hard
at that offer because you see what kind of product
he puts out on the mat and what kind of
human he is, right, so had to give them props
and and you know him as well as Kek guys In,

(01:34:57):
who has been phenomenal this whole season. He's got looking
at his wrestle stat right now, he's got two regular
decisions on the year, one of them against Plot in
the Cliff Keene Final. The other one was the first
match of the year against Bennett Bergee beat him eight three.
He went on to major Bennett Bergy later on in
the season. But everything else has been bonus points. So

(01:35:21):
there's been only two regular decisions in uh throughout his
entire season this year. So he's having a great season.
Another guy that is you know, should be part of
that Hodge talk. But yeah, you and I major props
to them. Wish I was one of my you and
I short two of them props maybe next week. But yeah,

(01:35:43):
just another really good building season for them, And it
was awesome to see the really cool picture of uh
Ket guys and walking out of the tunnel and you
just see the bowl just completely fill with fans. So
awesome for them. But yeah, just excited for rivalry weekend.
Gonna be watching out for a lot of these. Talk
to Eddie Santiago about his son Sonny uh literally earlier

(01:36:06):
on today. They're they're actually gonna be driving to the duel,
I believe. I think they're They're taking a good amount
of people up to Stanford to to watch him in
the final duel of the year. So that should be awesome.
It should be a really fun match. Yeah, he's he's
pretty he's pretty excited to I think they were. They
were just in in unc last week for for senior

(01:36:28):
for Senior Night. But then they're gonna take the trip,
you know, make that drive. I think it's like a set.
It's like a four four hour drive for them. They're
gonna pile into I think they've got like a like
a van or something that they're piling into like a
really big band. The pile into and go watch that.
So pretty cool. You know, love love the Santiago family.

(01:36:49):
They're awesome to me. They're really nice to me and
talk to him all the time. And it's gonna be
another awesome weekend of wrestling. Fellas, we're nearing that time
where it's that three days that everybody really really trains
for and that everybody really focuses on. But this entire
year has been filled with a lot of parody and
and it's been awesome. And next week we'll talk conferences,

(01:37:12):
we'll do a recap of how things went this week.
Hopefully there is no inconsistency inconsistencies in the refereeing, but
I'm not holding my breath on that one. But yeah,
it should be fun if if i WA want to,
I mean, we know how tough it is for i
WOA to Pat Carver, super tough, but if they really

(01:37:33):
want to pack Carver, they bring in uh Super Bowl
champion Cooper de Jene and they honor him for winning
Super Bowl this year during I would do That's exactly
what they should do. So yeah, that's all I got.
You guys, got any shout outs or anything else before
we close up. No shout out there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
I'll just say I was at the bid and that
was quite a crazy time. It was wild.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
I saw some crazy stuff going on. But yeah, go ahead,
go ahead, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
I was gonna say. CMU was Macwest Champs official. First
year under Ben Bennett. He wins the Macwest so that's exciting,
and there he's got some momentum, hopefully after a win
over Michigan State this weekend and then edited the mac Championships.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
So sounds like a telephone company from the eighties, Macwest

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Like a meriatech

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