Intermat Podcast Bo Bassett Commits + Hodge Talk + Old School vs New School Wrestling Shoes - IWP 2-5-25 - The InterMatWrestle Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So what's happening to people? Welcome back to the Internet
Wrestling Podcast, and we're the four horsemen of the Internet
Wrestling Podcast because we know everything and you don't just kidding.
But we're gonna dig into some fun stuff. We're gonna
dig into Bassett's decision, which came less than an hour ago.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
We're gonna talk a little bit about the Hodge, because
we should. It's not so open and shut as people
probably want to think that it is. We'll talk obviously Iowa,
Penn State, and what went on at four uh, the
things that are coming up in our conferences next week.
And in the middle we'll sandwich in something fun where
we talk about wrestling shoes and we'll do kind of

(00:37):
a debate of wrestling shoes of whether or not they
were better back in the day or are they better now,
and kind of talk about that. But let's start. Bassett
decision comes out. He's going to Iowa. He will be
the next hawk guy in the mix. And with him

(00:57):
being a young guns guy, I guess I shouldn't be
too surprised or at least like growing up a young guns guy,
I guess I think the video that he posted he's
wearing the Young Guns T shirt and when he posted it,
he I mean, I feel like he kind of alluded
to it in that post of saying my first video
was the night Spencer League committed to Iowa, right, Like
there was some foreshadowing that in there. I, for one

(01:20):
am I'm happy that the decision came and that the
courting is over, not because it's anything against Bobasid. I
just feel like it was going on for a very
long time. That's all something that you were like invested
in and you wanted to see the transparency of recruiting
and what was going on, and you know what was

(01:42):
being said. And obviously those conversations are kept in confidence
between him and the coaches and everything else. But as
we said before, like more transparency, like tell us a
little bit more about what's going on, right, And maybe
that was in his newsletters And I'm not subscribed to
Bobasid newsletters, but you know, doing interviews and stuff like

(02:05):
that would have been really cool to hear him say
like these are the things that I'm weighing, right, these
are these are the things where it's not as scripted
as a as an edited newsletter, right. But it's going
to be Iowa, and I'm not really that surprised. I
think we probably narrowed it down to what his top

(02:25):
three would be when everything started to come out. I
feel like it was probably it was obviously between you know,
he gave us the top four, but I think that
the schools, I mean, I think Virginia Tech probably came
in fourth. Honestly, I loved seeing that there was an
ACC team that was still in the running very late

(02:46):
in the process, because it just showed that, you know,
it's not all Big ten, right And obviously, you know,
you had the Big ten, the biggest and the big
ten in there with Penn State and Iowa, and he's
going off to the Big ten, but you also had
Oklahoma State and the new regime in there too, which
I ever one thought would probably been a really good
fit for him. I don't know Bo as much as
anyone else does, but you know, with David Taylor being

(03:09):
there and obviously Gilman being there, like man, it would
be a really good fit. And you know, there's guys
in that room that I think he would fit along
with right, and especially with his style, I felt like he's,
you know, more of an attacking style guy and not
say that Iowa guys aren't, but the guys in Oklahoma
State's room are a little bit. I mean, David Taylor

(03:29):
is known more for attacking like a madman, more so
than the guys in Iowa. Was right outside of Spencerly.
But what do you guys think of him heading off
to Iowa?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I mean, it's exciting. Surprised, Yeah, I mean, like it's
it is what it is. You know, he's going to Iowa.
It's a great program, history program, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Obviously. I mean the.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Anybody who's listening to this has seen all the chatter
about the nil stuff that's out there, right, so it
would be disingenuous to not bring that up, like and
independent of whatever the finances are, right, I'm not gonna,
you know, judge anybody based on that, but I will
say that independent of the circumstances, the number is getting

(04:22):
thrown around or are a lot higher than I would
ever guess. So more power to all the kids out there, man,
keep going to these clubs and getting better and working hard.
And not everybody gets to be that guy, but you know,
be somebody that's getting paid to go out there and
compete and do it what's really hard to do, you know. So,

(04:43):
but independent of the money and the finance piece of it,
like again that's that's life changing money. Good for him
if assuming those are correct. But you know, when you
think I will wrestling right, Like, his style reminds me
a lot of kind of the Brent Metcalf in your face,
break you sort of style. And so I'm happy to

(05:03):
see that that sort of attacking style and that sort
of physical style.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
And and you know because.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
When you watch him, like there's not this barrage of
crazy wild technique. And I'm not trying to, you know,
take anything away. The guy is obviously a very technical wrestler,
but when I watch him, what's almost more impressive is
his pace, his his physicality, his willingness to just take
his face in there and make it suck for both
him and his opponent.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, he's extremely fundamental with everything that he does.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, and he knows when the sucky part is gonna stop,
you know what I mean, Like the opponent doesn't they
just fall apart. So anyway, I think those pieces of
it mix. I'm happy for Iowa and Iowa fans to
be able to have that. I mean, it's been tough
for everybody over the last couple of years and just
getting getting our you know, butts kicked. I say, are

(05:54):
is in like the not Penn State community because they've
just been beating everybody. So I'm sure that's a nice
thing to have and you feel pretty good about what
the future kind of looks like, especially coming off of
last weekends butt kicking. So it's a nice one to
have here.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Good timing, Yeah, Robbie Austin anything.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Goad, Robbie, Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (06:21):
First off, like you said, you know, huge kudos to
coach Roby and company for being in the running for
this top recroup to the very end. You know, I
was I was there when Bo was there to visit
and kind of saw what they had and planned for
him and the things they had in place, and that's

(06:41):
something they really alluded to this this morning and is
in his podcast. They do an amazing job with recruiting
and you see the results of that. You see you know,
the classes that they're getting, the people that are bringing
into Blacksburg, and it speaks volumes to the culture they've
created and you know, the success they've had that they're

(07:04):
in the running for the top or group that we've
seen in many, many years, you know. That being said,
you know, they were pretty open during the process of
you know, if this is where he wants to be,
it's because he wants to be part of this program.
He wants to be the face he wants to be,
you know, wants to be part of this culture and
you know, take this program to the next step. Ultimately,

(07:24):
it wasn't his decision, you know, but there wasn't his
choice to go there, and that's, you know, is what
it is for them. But I was a fine fit
for him. I think I kind of had a narrow
down to either Iowa or Oklahoma State, and it wouldn't
have been surprised by either. I think it would be
foolish to say that NIL didn't play a role in
any of this. From my understanding, the numbers aren't super comfortable, but.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
You know, I don't have.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
The exact figures in front of me, but from what
I've been told, it's an astonishing, astonishing some money.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
The one thing I will push back on with the
money piece is assuming the rumors are correct, it's not
like he's going to a bad program. No, he gets
both wins, So there's both of those things there.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
I feel like, And it's funny, right because I did
watch the clip where he's like, you know, I'm I'm
not a quarterback. Isn't football? Like hopefully we do get
there someday in football, and something that I pay very
close attention to with all the nil stuff that goes on,
I'm reading stuff about the House case. I literally have
a podcast coming out tomorrow about the House versus Entia

(08:42):
case and how the DJ and the Department of Education
has stepped in on that. So that will literally be
out tomorrow morning. But the like I said, I'm reading
a lot of different literature on these subjects. And in football,
nil is very different. All money is long money, deep
pocket type money. But in wrestling it's it's obviously not.

(09:07):
But like I feel like our sport tries to stay
as traditional as possible in in in certain aspects, right,
Like we kind of have to, you know, because we
don't have those huge mega donors that are able to
just like throw money around like crazy outside of the

(09:27):
things that you know, Paycom and Oklahoma State are doing. Right,
But it is different, right, It's not it's not Carson
Beck transferring to Miami for eight million dollars to be
their quarterback for one year. Right, It's not quin yours
getting potential eight million dollar offers as well to stay
in college football. That's not happening in in wrestling. But

(09:48):
I feel like, you know, and Robbie, you you've just
said this, and I think you were kind of perfect
when you said it was if he comes here, it's
because he wants to be part of this program, not
because of the money that's being thrown. And I feel
like with listening to Kale and listening to David Taylor,
even when he was in his opening speech of we're

(10:09):
going to spend our money where it counts with the RTC.
We want to build the RTC because ultimately that will
bring even more culture into the building, and that's when
guys are going to want to be here. We're not
going to be throwing crazy money around at recruits. And
I'm sure that they were in the running as well
with nil and things like that, because it is a factor,

(10:29):
especially somebody who is as publicized and as you know,
public I guess I should say as Bo Bassett is,
but I also feel like wrestling is saying as traditional
as possible in that realm of yes, we're going to
try and spend money, but we have culture here where
it needs to be a culture fit and we're not

(10:51):
just going to say you're the best guy that's out there,
so we're going to go fetch the money wherever we
possibly can, you know. And that is one thing that
you know, I love seeing even if it is kind
of lip service or coach speak of we're going to
maintain our culture and our philosophy and our plan and

(11:11):
you know, and Kle's saying that the proof is there
when when it comes to who we recruit and how
well we do. So that was one thing that Robbie
when you said, you know, if he comes here, it's
because of the culture, it's not because our checkbook was
wide open and we hand them a blank check, which
I think in wrestling as opposed to football, is something
that I love seeing as it stays as traditional not

(11:33):
to say that if we we did have those deep
pockets in wrestling that it wouldn't be happening, right. I
think it's more a case of not being an option
in certain cases. But we also do have the coaches
that are talking about culture and things like that instead
of you know, now I have to re recruit my
own guys year after year, and the money and this
and that that we see in basketball even and even

(11:55):
in football. Austin, what are your what are your thoughts
on the latest Pennsylvania to Iowa train that continues to continue.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
Yeah, I mean just yeah, like we all said before,
it's it was one of three schools, right. You know
that as a fan, part of me, without having any
dog in the fight, would have loved to see in
Oklahoma State commit, you know, just because with David Taylor
coming in huge higher as a head coach, you know,
Bo Bassett would have been a huge get as a
recruit just to help bring that program up to the

(12:27):
next level. And you know, challenge Penn State. I think
we've talked about it last week. Just Penn State winning
all the time, you know, for lack of a Ricket's boring.
You know, it's like, all right, Penn State, they're this good,
They're going to break their own records or the best
team ever. We say that every year, right, And I
think Oklahoma State had an opportunity there if they would
have got Bassett, just to you know, challenge them. And
it's a good storyline too, David Taylor, former Penn State wrestler,

(12:50):
challenging potentially the greatest coach of all time, best NCAA
wrestler of all time in Kale. You know, I think
that just the story rights themselves for that. But you know,
just looking at for what it did, you know, Iowa
just you know, just to be honest, they need a
bit of a revamp. You know, it's especially after this weekends,
but that they took from Penn State. I think Robbie
or Kevin mentioned it, and you know it's I think

(13:12):
they kind of needed that to help revamp their program
and have a new face and bring that program back
to what it used to be in Iowa. You know,
a huge traditional powerhouse, huge historic program, and you know,
I think Bo is the guy that can potentially turn
that around and make this you know a three a
three team race movent forward, you know, trying to get
two behind Penn State catching them.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, I think you also have taken an account the
the other giant recruit that that Booklom State just picked
up the top recruit outside of Yeah, and that's a
huge pickup and straight out of it, I don't want
that yeah, I don't want that to get lost in
the shuffle of of all the you know, media blitz

(13:56):
that this this is going to get because that's a
huge pickup for Taylor, and that was I think one
of his biggest targets. I think what's kind of stood
out to me and hearing some of the chatter in
like reading some of the forum posts, is people thinking
that it's going to be a program changing addition, and
I think it could have been had he gone to

(14:18):
a non traditional powerhouse. I don't foresee him being, you know,
a program changer. I'm sure he's going to be fantastic.
I very likely could win multiple UNCAA titles, but he's
not going to change the trajectory of that program like
he could have at say, you know, in Virginia Tech Arectors,
a program that doesn't have that long storied history of success.

(14:41):
So I think that's just an interesting thing to kind
of take into account with it.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Kevin, you were going to say something I was going
to break up the Jrashaun Ross thing too, just how
I mean literally like right on the heels of that,
And that was a pretty big loss for eyes. I
wanted to have that get and take them right out
of their state there, So once again good timing for
Boa jump in and change.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
The future of this beleaguered program.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yeah, I and I wonder windows in their room now.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I wonder if the Ross commitment, and you know,
I said, we didn't really want to rest the hat
on an Il, but I wonder if the Ross commitment
changed the facts and figurability to Basset, right, Like, was
that something that was like, Okay, this one's out the door,

(15:35):
we need to pivot. And you know, because we heard
a lot of things in the off season with the
transfers where there were transfers that were looking to make
some deals and how this person was supposed to go
to Iowa and that person and then this person didn't
pan out, so now the money is open for that. Like,

(15:56):
there were a lot of things that were being said
and kind of thrown around in that in the off season.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
So I wonder if that's some d one coaches who
are still making salty posts on Twitter about it.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
But that's yeah, exactly right. So like there were there
were a lot of a lot of things that have
been said. I mean, Lee Pritz put it right out there,
and you know, brands can't coach that with that tweet
and it left it up right and still there, so
like people are still you know, pretty upset about those things,

(16:26):
you know what I mean, like just put it out there.
So yeah, but like and like I said, I'm I
do not want to say, oh, he you know, went
to the highest bidder or they're buying a team or
stuff like that. No, like because even without that, right,
like expensively went to Iowa without the money, right, there's
a number of guys that have gone to Iowa without

(16:48):
the money factor. He is going to a traditional power
you know, at least the money that we're seeing now, right, Like,
there have been a number of high powered guys that
have worn that black and yellow for a very long
time and we'll rep that forever. So a lot of
Pennsylvania guys to a lot of Pennsylvania guys. So it's

(17:09):
not completely outside the realm of that at all. I'm
just saying with the way that the current recruiting landscape looks,
when one recruit makes a decision to go elsewhere, does
it kind of free up a chunk of money to
you know, invest somewhere else, right, Like, you got to
look at these things like business nowadays, and that's a

(17:31):
business type move. And yeah, you know, I feel like
now everything pivots to Jax Forest and what is Jacks
Farst going to do?

Speaker 6 (17:39):
You know where going after a guy like that now?
I mean the top three he used to go.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
After and really hard. I mean, go back and watch
some of those Jacks Farst videos and look at the
coaches that were in his corner, right, like, look at
the people that were around him when he was you know,
at certain places. And this was past regime, right, this
wasn't the current. But you can go back and look
at those Jack Sports videos and you see who is around,

(18:09):
and you see who's trying to you know, be in
his ear and be close and you know, foster relationships
and stuff. So he had a visit, just just like
Bo did to Hooma State. I'm sure his decision, the
decision will be coming pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
You know, a lot of how are we going to
know about it? If it's not like he's not posting
about it, I mean.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
It's gonna be We're just gonna find out one we're.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Gonna find out. I mean, it'll I mean, it could
potentially be. You never know, you know how people love
to spoil everybody's commitments and stuff, but like, no, I mean,
it's gonna be interesting to see where he goes. You know,
it is certainly the next the next person on the
board of Okay, there's a high level recruit, where's he

(18:56):
gonna go? Everybody kind of ruled out Penn State when uh,
when Blaze committed there. He even kind of made a
joke about it. I think he posted something about about
Blaze going there and you know, no more room or
something like that at Penn State. But like, I'm interested
to see where he's gonna go, Uh, if he does

(19:17):
split from from Bassett, or if they maintain and stay together,
if they are a package deal or whatever else, right, Like, yeah,
to be seen.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
He's he's kind of inside information on that one. What's
that You want some inside information on that one? Always
want to pit Johnstown.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean, they were in the running for a
very long time and it was sad to see them
not make the top four.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
The backstory of that is pretty cool with the deal
he made, but it.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Is it is. I will give him that, but like
it's at a certain point, it just seemed a little like,
like you said, disingenuous, but no, like I said, I
love the new landscape of recruiting. I do love it.
I may have been exhausted by it mostly because it
was dominated by BO. I would have loved to have

(20:08):
seen a little bit more from other guys. But that's
not their personality to do stuff like that, right, So
we're not going to get those things. But you know,
and and Kevin you said this before we talked about it.
Let's just hope that somebody doesn't try to do a
bow Bassett type thing and they aren't Bow Bassett with
the personality and you know, the wherewithal to do all

(20:30):
of these things, and they you know, severely screw it up.
Any other final thoughts on it, guys, I think there's
gonna be.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Two kind of interesting things to watch in this area,
and you you kind of hit on both of them.
One with the transfers, you know, what is it going
to look like at the end of every season, you know,
and kind of managing that budget that a lot of
programs are going to have for that. But then also
you know, with this court case coming, is there going
to be big changes? Is there going to be more

(20:57):
rules within tool?

Speaker 4 (20:58):
You know, they have to work.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
So, you know, was this a timing thing where it
was just he happened to be this amazing recruit that
was was top tier at the right time for to
get the most possible nil of anybody, you know, could
it change in two months and be restricted?

Speaker 4 (21:16):
We don't know.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
It's kind of a weird, weird window that he fell
into and it worked out really well for him.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
The one thing I do want to end on, and
this is this is partially a bow basket thing, but
a bigger picture thing too, is just like, hey, if
you're a fan of that team, like and you know
there's all these nal rumors and money rumors or whatever
going around, like that's that shouldn't like your expectation for

(21:44):
him should be to come in and do his best
and to work hard, and it shouldn't be specifically on
a number of national titles for the team or an individual.
Like things happen, you know, like anything could happen, and
I'm not hoping for anything but the best, you know.
But and he certainly see like a kid who's going
to work to get all the results and the best
possible results possible. But man, when those things start flying

(22:06):
around and people start talking about how privileged these kids
are and how spoiled and all this stuff, it can
get really nasty, really fast. So just remember it's not
your money. It's a kid who's trying his best. More
than likely you remember remember their kids.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, maybe we may be, you know, talking about all
these things are going on, but like, keep it in perspective. Yeah,
this is even even though Michael Parsons sweeted at him,
this is not Michael Parsons contract, right like, this was
Bo Bassett that we're talking about, not a you know,
a couple of time NFL you know, essentially better veteran
right now that we're discussing. But I don't know it

(22:47):
is what it is. But let's pivot. Let's let's let's uh,
let's let's kind of stay in that the Iowa range,
right like, let's just go Iowa Penn State right now
and kind of discuss what went on. We'll pull it
out of the recap section for for this just mostly
because we're gonna stay on theme. The Iowa Penn State
match had a lot, right there were a lot of

(23:10):
layers to it, and we knew it was going to
be a good wrestling match, right like that was not
ever something that anybody kind of scratched their head at
or we're like, oh, I wonder how good is going
to be. You knew it was gonna be great. I
think they had what like sixteen thousand fans or something
like that, A little thing a little over that, which
was awesome, But like the drama and theatrics of it,

(23:35):
with all of that starting beforehand, where we find out
that we're not going to get the trash talk bowl,
that that's not happening, man, I and I and I said,
I'm like it. It honestly does make Gabe look shitty.
It does he And that's the thing is like I

(23:56):
wonder if it was discussed beforehand or or if it wasn't,
you know, Like I said on the last show, I
thought that him kind of putting it all on the table,
you know, with with what he said before the after
the Ohio State duel, was like trying to make sure
that he was getting that match this year and that

(24:18):
it wasn't gonna happen to him again. And it happened again.
Right like last year, he had enough just he had
enough dates left. I think it was one more left,
and maybe last year he was a little banged up,
a little injury rever else to wrestle in that match.
We get lucky enough that carteris Arrogi's like, I'm gonna
come back for a fifth year, and you have an

(24:39):
incredible atmosphere, one that you would not want to pass up,
especially if you if you are the starter, which you are,
which Brandon said you are the starter. You're the guy
and he said it afterwards. If you're the guy, you
want that atmosphere. You want that time. You want to
be out there wrestling against the guy you essentially have

(25:01):
been calling out since before you even got to Iowa,
when you were still a high school wrestler, right Like,
you want those things, you want those matches. So for
him to not get that match, you know, my heart
kind of goes out to him.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I've I've had a number of times where I've been
able to talk to Gabe. He's an awesome kid. Loved
talking to him. He's super respectful, you know, great wrestler,
very intense, very passionate about being out there. And I
was just like, man, this really sucks, and it doesn't
it doesn't make him look good because the the casual
fans aren't privy to the conversations. Not to say that
we are, but like they're not privy to even the

(25:37):
slightest bit of details that that we are. You know
that that we were like, you know, that was a
conversation and this is you know, this is what they
discussed and stuff like that. The casual fan is just like, oh,
he's ducking him. He's this is this is a major
duck and it's like, guys, I don't think so right.
And then obviously afterwards where Brand says they didn't want

(26:01):
to put him out there, they wanted him to be
fresh for the end of the season, You're just like, man,
like that just doesn't seem right, just doesn't seem right
at all. You know, give the kid the opportunity, but
kind of is what it is. What what did you
guys make of, first of all, the decision at one
point eight four to not send out Gabe Arnold and

(26:23):
mind you keep this in mind. I think it happens
again when they wrestle Oklahoma State, but first let's tackle
Penn State. What do you guys think of the decision?

Speaker 5 (26:33):
I think the part that annoyed me the most is
that he wrestled on Sunday, Like, so you burned a
date for Angelo when he could have had both of
these duels without burning two days, So like you could
have had an opportunity to put him up against another
top twelve guy, if that's what you know. You're trying
to get him the best competition. As Tom said, you

(26:54):
want to see him against the best guys, not a
bunch of bums. But you didn't give him the opportunity
to do back to back, so it kind of takes
away any argument you made for that. So it doesn't
I can't see any logic behind it unless they're trying
to I don't know, save him from embarrassment from it,
or you know, not give Carter a feel before Big Tens, Like,

(27:15):
I don't understand why you wouldn't throw your starter out there.
You're already down, you know, before you start your you're
not favored to win, So why not go out there
and try to win as many bounts as possible put
yourself in the best possible seating situation for Big Tens.
But to not start a guy who's healthy, who has
indicated that he wants to wrestle him, who is going

(27:38):
to likely face him at Big tens, Like, what is
the benefit of not wrestling that.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Match unless Gabe is better at chess than he isn't wrestling.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
He was like, I'm going to talk all this trash
knowing that I'm about to duck this so hard.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I'm going to get out of this match one way,
shape or form, to beg the Brands to keep me
on the bench. That's not what happened. Like that guy's
so mad he didn't get to wrestle that match. And yeah,
I mean, like the most insane thing would be if
they were just like turns out Ferrari's our guy the
whole time, and like we never ever get to see

(28:17):
this match and Ferrari's red shirts pulled, and it's just
like that's how we enter the postseason, which I would
hate and I think all of us would too.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Not anything against Ferrari, but just like.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'd love to see the match. We want to see
the match. We thought we were going to see the match.
We were excited to see the match. I feel like,
you know, and I talked about this last week too,
like just the dichotomy between you know how Brands was
talking at the press conference versus you know what what
what Gabe was saying, I feel like he was like

(28:50):
in a way punishing him, like you're not gonna go
up there and just talk about how we're going to
go in there and start doing this, and that you're
not wrestling.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
You know, we've got a number.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Guy has the feel of like coaches trying to exert
his power and show that he's in charge, and he
makes the moves, and I don't know, it feels like
a very Brands thing. And you know, come at me
if you think I'm being a hater at Iowa. But
Brands do some some silly shit from time to time,
and this seems like one of the silly ast things
they do. It doesn't make any sense, there's no benefit

(29:22):
to it.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
So it's a great opportunity to teach a lesson, you know,
Arnold and Gabe gave still too young to have enough
juice to do it right. And I think that like
if he was being punished, it's not like it's not
like Sam Stroll right, like Sam Stole where where Stole was,
you know, not probably not supposed to wrestle in. I mean,

(29:43):
even if there were some theatrics or whatever else where.
I mean, I can remember him coming out and brands
are stopping. I'm saying, you're not doing it, even that
was playned or whatever else, Like he had enough juice
to do that, even if it was you know, theater.
But like, there are guys that have been in that
room and been in that lineup that definitely have the

(30:06):
juice to say I'm going or I'm not right, and
we've seen it throughout the years. You don't have to
have be some sort of insider, right, Like Gabe isn't
there yet where he can call his own shot. Maybe
if that's the case where he was being punished, but
I don't think. I don't think at all. I don't

(30:27):
think he should have been punished at all for doing anything, right, Like,
you want a guy that the reason you went out
and got him is because he was that confident kid
that was going to go up against literally Goliath in
the weight class and in the NCAAA and be like
I'm going after him, right, Like would you rather not
say anything or whatever, like or just coward to it?

(30:49):
Like no, you want him to be confident, and he
seemed to be confident in it.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
But well, and he's not an habitual line stepper, right
Like he's not the guy who keeps getting in the
ship with people, like he's been very respectful and he's
been very like open about the in room battles with
Ferrari and how their teammates and they're there to make
each other better. Like he's been the man like big

(31:15):
fan of his. So I don't know, it just seems
weird and to everybody.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
So before Big ten Finals he yells, fuck your couch.
Yeah right, I might lose it.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
I might become an Iowa fan if that happens.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, yeah, oh what a great show.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
Reference like you guys, like you guys mentioned he wrestled what.
Two days later at Maryland wrestled Smith again, Smith is
a good wrestler. What top ten? Like number nine the
country top ten? Yeah, ar nuncles out and beats him
in tiebreaker. To me, it's like, hey, I'm gonna beat
the four time national champ. Oh sorry, I didn't wrestle,
just kidding. Two days later, I'm going to be a

(31:57):
guy's number nine and beat him in tiebreaker, you know.
To me, it seems like you should go out and
dominate a guy like that to prove like, hey, I
am better than Carter. I just didn't get that chance.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
You know what, Again, the.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Only thing recent history wise that would indicate that this
was a load management thing. We're gonna want him to
be fresh for whatever is like, yeah, he just beat
Ragotsky in overtime. Conventional wisdom would say he should have
beat you know, beat him by more than an overtime takedown,
and then you have that match too, So I don't

(32:30):
know that's that also just sucks for Gabe because now
coaches can be like, look, see, you know he's tired.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
We don't get tired here.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
The other thing you guys meant it too about you know,
coach brands and some lineup questions is what he did
is Sunday with teamer once with the seven R Tiamer
doesn't wrestle, and he burns a register with a Strata
for one match in a dual meet that they were
favored by what two points?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yes, that burn his red shirt?

Speaker 6 (33:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so that like something like that doesn't
make sense Like that to me, that means teamor is
out for the year.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
But there's no indication of that, you know.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
So I again, some of these guys they want to shot,
you know, maybe Strata wanted it, and that's fine, But
just as an outside person looking in, it's like, you're
gonna burn this guy's red shirt for one duel. Yeah,
to me, it doesn't make sense. But I don't make
these big bucks coach and we just sit behind a
desk and talk, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, but it is it is a It is a
head scratcher, right because like if if the if the
burned red shirt wasn't part of the equation, I'd be like, Okay, well,
teamer is fresh off of an injury, right, like he
wrestled in and getting a masculated Yeah, like he he wrestled.
He wrestled in two duels, right, Like that's what I'm saying,
that he wrestled in two coming off of and he

(33:48):
wrestled to rank guys coming off of an injury. All right,
let's give him a rest, right Like that would be
perfectly fine.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
But like.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
For for for them to burn a red shirt on
a guy that probably won't be the guy I mean
if unless teamer is really that badly hurt again, unless
he reinjured it, But to burn a red shirt on
a guy, I just don't Yeah, I don't, I don't understand,
but I did miss that that had burned his red shirt.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
And load management doesn't make sense for our either.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
He had eleven.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Matches coming into this weekend. That's not a lot, Like,
it's not he's it's more than some starters. Yeah, but
there's a kid for Franklin and Marshall has twenty nine
wins like the Georgia Baby, let's let's let's step it
up a little bit. I mean, this is a conversation
we've had before too, but like, yeah, you can't can't

(34:43):
manage your way out of not wrestling all year. You
gotta you gotta have the matches. And if you know,
against a guy like like Carter, you know, four time
national champion going for the record of getting his fifth,
I would want as many opportunities to get my hands
on him as possible. And if I can get three
opportunities to do that instead of just one or two,
I'd want that. You know, how are you gonna how

(35:03):
are you gonna have that feel and how are you
gonna make those adjustments if you never have the match?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, so what do we what do we make of
the match with with Ferrari and and Starachi, I feel
like boring, It was boring and for people saying that
Sarachi like couldn't get to his leg or he didn't
take any shots. He's only the only there wasn't there

(35:27):
There wasn't really an opening for him to take a shot.
Ferrari russelled from a knee. He backed up a lot,
like and this isn't me being like I'm, you know,
big Carter fan whatever else, Like there was a stall
warning from him backing up. He may have taken two
more shots, but he was also like on a knee
taking those shots, right, like you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

(35:50):
like it was It wasn't like he was in the
middle like he was trying to set some stuff up
or anything else. Like the the only big takeaway for
me is that Carter wasn't able to fit when he
did get to his leg though that was big, But
he also wasn't really taking chances right like I said,
Like his openings came on reattacks because of how Ferrari

(36:12):
decided to wrestle him and and be very closed off
and not tying up and being down on the knee,
and you know that's very hard for anyone to wrestle,
and but you also know that like Carter never feels
like he is not in control of a match, and

(36:35):
I feel like that's kind of what it was. He's like,
if this is how he's gonna wrestle me, then this
is how is where the match is going to go.
But it was telling it he was not able to finish.
That was the biggest kind of takeaway from me, where
he was like in on a on a shot where
he's normally able to finish and couldn't get couldn't get
to it. What were your take what your guys takeaways

(37:00):
the match that actually did happen. It takes a lot
of maturity to wrestle that patient, you know, against the
guy who's backing up and on his knee like that.
I've talked to several people who were high level D
one wrestlers, and this one in particular was like, Yeah,
I wrestled this guy four times. I lost three of them.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
The one time I didn't like chase him the whole
time and push the pace the whole time.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Like I was just like, was like, I'm just gonna
do what he does, and I beat him.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
It was it was the easiest match I've ever had.
I'm not going to throw the names out but it's
like sometimes if you have that patience to just let
the match come to you. And like you said, he
controlled the pace, He controlled the space on the mat.
You know, it never looked like he was in really
any danger. And that's what you should expect to get
out of a guy who's looking for his fifth NCAA title.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
So sometimes you got to win ugly.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
You don't win.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
You don't win four titles and not win ugly sometimes.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
And listen, I I was just looking back through his
Russell stat I mean, the majority of the matches are bonus,
major tech, lots of pens.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
But then you know it was his first decision of
the year.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
You look at some of the decisions he's had over
the years though, like last yeard five to three decision
over Adam Kemp and a four to two decision with
Rocko Welsh which was a good match. But then you
go back and there's there's some there like head scratchers.
There's a six to two to Bailey O'Reilly from Minnesota.
So and he's got a lot, He's got matches like
that five one over Julian Brogson, Like those are guys

(38:32):
that he you know, can and should handle easily, but
he has those scoring matches with him, and there was
were never in doubt though, just like the majority of
his matches have you know, not been in doubt, and
this one wasn't either.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
If I'm remembering correctly.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
The kemth match was the first round of NC double
as when he had his knee to come back. Yeah,
and he gave up the first takedown and everyone was like,
oh my god, yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
It was like the second I think it was the
second match because the first one against the first one
was against the kid that he injuried defaulted to at
big tens.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
And it was it was yeah and.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Sparks took him down. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I do
remember that.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
M Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
I wonder how much of Carter's performance was you know,
all the hype was about him and Arnold and he
didn't get that match, you know, so I just wonder
if there's like a mentality thing, like a you know,
adrenaline change at Yeah, I'm not I don't have the
match I want, so I'm gonna go out there and wrestle,
you know it. Just maybe maybe that was part of
it too, maybe, And.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I are thinking the same thing. So I'm gonna let
Kevin say it.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, he was the one who was like, well I
thought the other guy was better.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah, he did say that.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
Was that for show or was he just kind of
was the Actually yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
But I was for sure for show. Yeah it was.
It was a complete dig it Arnold, it was.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I agree it was great, yeah, but I mean it was.
It was even crazy that that they're they like left
no doubt with that. I know, we're we kind of
moved on from that, but like they left no doubt
that Ferrari was taking the match. Gay Born didn't even
way in Like that was the crazy thing for me
is like when I when I, you know, sent a
text to was it. I message Bosh because he was
the one that was putting everything out. I messaged Bosh.

(40:18):
I'm like, did did Arnold didn't weigh in? And he's
like nope, And I'm like, all right, well, I don't
know what to make of any of this, Like but
I don't know, you know, but no, I thought the
match was it was boring, but you know, when you
watch it, Carter is in control that the just like

(40:38):
I said, the one telling thing was him not being
able to finish his his what is that the takedown
to the leg when he was in on the leg.
But no, I mean other matches were The other matches
were really good too. I mean obviously fifty seven was
was a hell of a match, Kasik. He has man it.

(41:00):
The crazy part about him is that one he's up
weight classes and two that like he has it, Like
he had what seven straight wins last year on the
backside and has looked even better since his NCAAA performance. Right,
Like obviously you think guys here are going to get better,
but like he like that consistency of stringing together seven

(41:22):
wins at ncaaa's to come back and place third, which
ultimately was a huge catalyst and why they broke the record,
and now like everything he's doing this year and how
strong he looks in the weight class, it's just like, man,
I am supremely impressed by him. No lea ballei bias either,
just very impressed by him.

Speaker 6 (41:44):
It's crazy to think that it was between him and
what's his name, Fecundo for that spot. You know, we
weren't sure that was a six spot because he's a
red shirt to use yet right and kind of proved
his point that he's the man, and yeah, he's just
looking really good. It's yeah, it's just so impressive. Starting
to hear at forty one last year kind of get

(42:05):
thrown it at forty nine and like you said, the
backside run he had was just incredible, just pinning dudes
everywhere left and right. And now he's up another weight
class and just number one guy right now. It's just
it's insane how how good he has been.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
What are they stood out to you guys then too?

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Just real quick the feeling it must have been to
pad teamer in the air and just give that this
pump to the crowd.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, that's something.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
That's man.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
That's a picture you put on the wall.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Oh dude, that's like.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
It's a mural you get painted at your house.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, yeah, a large that's a wall size picture you
put on the wall.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, Facebook picture is my picture. Profile pick has changed?

Speaker 1 (42:54):
What other what other matches stood out to you guys?

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Jsh Barr, dude, Jesh Barr is legit. He was in
that match the whole time. He was not you know,
wil Teine like he was right there and and just
to keep that rolling, I mean, good on game.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Which I hate to cut you off, but do you
guys believe in the kale tax? I see everybody talk
about it, when when these freshmen have to have to lose,
do you guys think the kial tax is real?

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Well, I was just gonna ask if you guys have
this I do about Bar winning that rematch come, whether
it's Big Ten's or NTAs.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I just it's gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
That's bars match next time they meet or when it
matters most probably you know, I just die.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I don't know it's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
It's it's what always happens.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And it'll be interesting. Man.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
I So this weekend Friday is Michigan Penn State, and
not to bring it back to Michigan, but I'm like,
now he's gonna get Cardenas and we'll see what that
looks like. And I don't know, man, I think it's
gonna just the Big ten one ninety seven's are going
to cannibalize each other and we're gonna get a J.

(44:03):
Ferrari is the number one seeded in c double as if. Man,
just the reality is it's the path is there.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
It's there.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, But that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
That's the thing about it is Smith for one seed
putting it now?

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, I don't know, but you guys believe in the
Kale tax. Do you think it's real?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I just think no one else has been undefeated. I
think that's more in it.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
But it's it's so it's just so funny when when
you see it though, like it is, it is so funny.
I was like people talking about this like it's like
it's real, like like this actually happens. Like, no, guys,
he just wrestled the number one guy in the country.
That's that's literally what happened.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I mean the only I mean the.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Other part of that is Lillidah lost a Dean Peterson
who isn't number one, right, So like if you want
to throw some kale tax juju on that one, fine,
but not Josh Barr losing losing to a Buchanan.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
It would be funnier if he had like four guys
go one hundred and fifty eight. No, and like they
just all stopped there. Look now we gotta yeah, we
gotta sit this one out, guys.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Sorry blud management management. Yeah, the I know we talked
about it last week and Robbie you weren't here, but
I think Austin said it about mess and Brink getting
bonus on Caliendo, and it was just like, how crazy

(45:33):
is it that these guys are one and two and
there's that big of a gap, Like that is insane?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, I made I made the comparison in in my
Big Ten write up this week and quite frankly to
anyone else who asked me about it, but I was like,
the gap between the one and two one sixty five
is basically the gap between Penn State and any other
team in the country.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yes, it's it's that big. So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Man, he's Mitchell Messen brain because is a super freak
and if.

Speaker 5 (46:09):
He could lose the serial killer glasses though, I'd be
I'd be a bigger fan.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
He's so weird, like and I don't mean that in
a bad way. He seems like genuinely likable. Yeah, he's
like fun reality.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, what was that like rant?

Speaker 3 (46:24):
He went on about how like the cosmos and time
doesn't exist or something.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I don't know. I listened to the whole thing and
I was like he was.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
He was a ton of fun last year in BETW
Like before the finals in the interview room, he was
just like he's just like a ball of energy, man,
and like didn't stop smiling everything else, Like yeah, I'm sorry,
but I can see why Burrows wanted to punch him
in the head, like he's just like in your face,
like he was, he's got to be annoying to wrestle.

(46:53):
And he goes with the baggy singlet too, which is
even funnier and it's and it's so purposeful. But that
match was is like, man, like this is pretty wild.
These are the one and two guys in the country
and the number one is Teching the number two. I
can never I can't remember a disparity like that, and
in a very long time. I mean maybe it is

(47:14):
what Cale and Courmier or something like that, but what
was he?

Speaker 6 (47:18):
And this might be a transition or next point if
we're done, But how is he not the Hodge favorite
at this point? I mean, yeah, I mean there's other
guys out there, but like, how do you not give
it to a guy that's so dominant, you know, Carter
if he wins his fifth Okay, I see an argument, Gable,
you know, maybe repparent.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Ferrari just saying right, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Mean, yeah, I agree with that that. I mean, that
is a great transition, right, Like Messenbrink has to be
one of those guys that's top for the hodge.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
You giving up any offensive points?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Has he?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I don't think so. I mean most of those guys haven't.
But I don't think so. I mean him and him
and Gable have like crazy bonus rates. But the thing
is is like mess and Brink and and Ramos are
tied for the most tech falls right now.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
Gable fourteen and with fourteen tech falls, yeah, I guess twelve.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Two of those were Gable hasn't wrestled the number two
guy this year and tech falled and yet you know, yeah,
like Gable has advantage, right.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah, Gable hasn't hit any of those guys yet, so
it is very different. Gable has been super dominant obviously.
I mean nothing but texts and pins. Got another eight matches, Yeah,
I got another pin over the weekend. I do like
that he is, you know, caveat. Do like that he's
back in for the full Big ten season. Half of

(48:42):
things first half of the season was just like a
couple of matches. Now it's like Big ten starts and
he's all in.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
He's kicking the crap on everybody. He just pins Slamkuski.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Yeah, yeah, he was like running away and he's still
pulled him back yet and yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Pinned him with with with the double all right, but yeah,
who do you who do you guys have as the
as the Hodge favorite? Is it Mess and Break is
a gable? Is it means Starachi not getting bonus last
week kind of? I feel like kind of pulls him
back to number two. It's gonna take some guys, uh

(49:19):
a not to get a bonus point win to to
kind of bring Carter's average back up. Kakais in certainly
in there. I think he's gotten bonus against everyone, including
the number two guy. He's gotten bonus against literally every
time they wrestle, he bonuses him. So you know, who
do you guys think is is the is the Hodge favorite?

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Right now?

Speaker 5 (49:43):
I think you Leane Mess and Break with just how
dominant he's been. I don't like the idea of Harder
getting the the Hodge just because I mean, you say,
just because you want his fifth his fucking fifth championship. Yeah,
I don't like the idea of giving it to him
because it's a fifth championship, Because I like the idea

(50:05):
of the Hodge being you know, showcasing it, you know,
exemplary performances and if you're going, you know, twenty and
oh with twenty Tech falls, including against the number two
guy in the country, I think that's that's pretty impressive.
And not giving up any any offensive points, Like, I mean,
he's got some time to go through the rest of
the Big Ten season in the postseason, but that's that's

(50:28):
pretty impressive.

Speaker 6 (50:31):
Just you feel like they're gonna give co Hodges again
and you feel like Carter's going to be the other
recipient of that, just you know, just because yeah, the
five titles I think is going to put him up
and over and I don't agree with it, but because.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Then you make it a lifetime achievement award, which we
I mean, which we've seen.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
Yeah, which we've seen, Yeah exactly. Still yeah, yeah, I
mean you gotta go mess and bring too. It's it's
hard to not put that guy up there, especially right now,
just Tech, the number two guy hasn't give up any
offensive points. Really, Tech Foles everybody, like, how much more
dominant can you be? I mean, if you pin everyone,

(51:10):
you could say you caught people you don't catch people
and tech them, you know, like it's not Fluke, he's
just so dominant.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
I think.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
So the argument could be made for Hendrickson if he's
able to win an NCAA title, because you'd go through
Kurt Fleet and Gable, and with as impressive as he's
been this year, with his bonus rate, with his dominance,
there could certainly be a case made there, But it
would take a hell of a run at in Cuba's
to make that reality and a couple.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Yeah, So here's here's where you can make the argument
at several of these other way it's above mess and drink,
all right. So heavyweight, for example, there are two guys
who are in Cuba champions and they're one of which
is an Olympic champion. And then if Hendrickson could get
it done and win it all, like obviously that would
make his case too. But there's potentially three heavyweights that

(52:03):
are on this list, therefore making it very very difficult
to win that weight, which should be considered in the
hot trophy piece of it. Same with one seventy four,
you've got Carter and Parker, both NCUBA champions.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Like that's a very deep weight class.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Still, I feel like ahead right now though, sure.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
And you can make that argument very easily. You know,
he's he's crushing dudes.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
One.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
You've also got Mendes and a Liras, You've got two
Ncuba champs. Zleras has not competed as much this year,
but that doesn't make it any less difficult for Mendez
to win, you know, his second straight title too, and
he's been really really good all season, certainly not messing
Brink level good, very few have, but again, slightly different
weight classes with different levels, And in fact, if I

(52:52):
was going to look at one forty one here, I
think you can make the argument that it's a deeper
weight class than one sixty five is to this point,
but those would probably be where the arguments end. As
much as I love Matt Ramos, and I guess you
do have a defending champ with Figueroa in there too,
so that if I'm gonna make that point in other weights,

(53:14):
I'm gonna make it there too.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I don't know, I guess he's still be in the
loop then, But I.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Just think if you're gonna make the argument for anybody
other than Mitchell Messine Brink, it has to be based
on the level of competition at those weights, and I
do think that it would be foolish to think that
that's not considered at that point. But no, I mean,
this is the most fun I think that we've had
this debate in a long time. As much as I

(53:42):
don't like the co Hodge situation, and again I don't
let's say hypothetically.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
It goes to.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Carter and mess and Brink, I'm super fine with that too.
I'm good. I don't have a problem with it at all.
I think that Carter, if you win five in.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Caa type, you should get a Hodge trophy, just like
a McDonald's prize in your bag.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Like he he gets five trophies, he's already got enough.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Well, I'm a sixth, just because it's not it's not
like rings. You know, you don't need to have a
six finger to put a ring on. You can just
put it on a bigger shelf. You can afford it.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
But then on the other hand, it's to me, it's
that's where the ring would be would be.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
On the other hand, if it's a sixth to one's
continuing the analogy.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
To me the Hodges, because that's kind of like our
heisman Trophy, right, has there ever been a Coke Heisman's.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
No, no, you know, so it's not that I can remember,
but there has been co Hodges more than just that
other thing.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
So that's why part of me is like, Okay, they've
done the past, will do it again. But on the
other side, it's like, well, why it should be the
one most dominant guy, like the Heisman trophy gets So yeah,
I go, I have to like it.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
I don't know, hod should automatically go to a quarterback too.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Give it to everybody, give it to me, the hodehroph
I mean, I think, I think this year it can
be It's gonna be very It's gonna be highly contested,
more so than another year's, right, Like you had you
had Spencer and Gable who shared it before and that
was really hard to pick between the two and those

(55:20):
those two were the absolute best guys. But this year
you are going to potentially have a number of guys,
you know, say Ramos does run the table, mess and
Brink runs the table, Gable runs the table right like
you know, you you can obviously throw in whoever wins
at eighty four because they're super dominant right now at

(55:43):
eighty four with the outlier of last week for Starachi.
But like it is going to be a highly contested
award to get this year. And I think you're right, Kevin.
You it does come down to and you know, it's
kind of a it's kind of a football twelve team
playoff conversation of strength of record and strength of schedule.

(56:05):
Do these guys have the resume this year that puts them,
you know, over the top. And the guy to go
to is Jason Bryant. Honestly, Jason Bryant runs the numbers
on these things all the time, and even last year
he sent me the numbers of all these things last year.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
What's that who won it last year? I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Won it last year?

Speaker 2 (56:35):
It was it was it was Brooks or Kais And
I think, hold on.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
It is Brooks.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
You're right, it was Brooks.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
It was Brooks, not Kekausen, because it kek Ksen did
have an argument for doing it, because he did bonus
his way through the entire year, just like he's doing now.
But it was Brooks at the end of it.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Yeah, my bad, I reiled you, but you know, I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Think it is I think it is a strength of
record and strains of schedule type of a thing. Right,
if if Messenbrink goes throughout the entire year and he
wrestles all of the guys that are in the top
five or let's call it top ten, and he's got
bonuses against all of them, all of them are tech falls. Essentially,
it's going to be really hard to make a case
for anyone else. You know, if and I don't I

(57:20):
don't see Kek Kaisen bonusing Starachi. But if Kek Kaisen
wins and he bonuses through everyone, including Starachi, he should
be the hodge. Like you beat a four time champ,
you should probably get that win.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I even think.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
That if he was to bonus everyone except for Carter
Sarachi and win, they would probably look at him for
that cohadge and no one else. If that was the case,
I don't I even think he would be above gable
in that sense. But I don't know's We've got a
lot of season left, But like at this point, it's

(57:58):
really cool to kind of look and see like you
do have a lot of legit contenders that are still
in the mix. However, looking even at look just looking
at one twenty five Ramos hasn't hit what how many
guys in the top ten has Ramos even hit yet?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Bradley van Tresca he beat that might be in the
top ten, might be it.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
Right in Russell Vince because that Vincent got hurt.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Yeah, so I think he's got kind of a ways
to go. But like these other weights, it's pretty pretty
dominant wins from a lot of these guys that are
at the top, you know, outside of Gable, even though
he did just pin at number ten and then what
the number eight and back to back weeks, So still
a lot to be determined, but I think, you know

(58:49):
it's going to be it's probably gonna come down to
the wire with how dominant these guys at the top
have been.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
You think accounts should be considered as well?

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Then?

Speaker 2 (59:00):
If that is absolutely I would say so.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I think I think he had to take it all
into consideration.

Speaker 6 (59:06):
Yeah, Raymos is twenty one and oh now you know
he has what four or five matches left plus big ten.
Ji could look at thirty five in oher record, where
Gable has eight matches, now he could be fifteen sixteen
to oh you also obviously double the matches is more
impressive especially for close to similar bonus rate. You know,
I think you got to consider that as if there's

(59:27):
a bunch of ties, you gotta go who's been out
there more.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
I think too Rainmolds is not going to run into anybody.
That's not true. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
He runs into Caleb Smith February twenty third. February ninth,
he runs into Cooper Plann of Minnesota to pretty much
the toughest remaining opponents he has before Big Tens.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
It'll be fun. A lot of wrestling left to do,
so we'll see kind of what pans out there. Let's
le move and have a little fun. I'm not saying
that this isn't fun, but let's stop wrestling shoes. Obviously,
I'm a big shoe guy, as you can see behind me,
but wrestling shoes wasn't really the thing that I always collected.
Mike mal tons of wrestling shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
He was the guy that always had a ton. I
have a couple of pairs, including the last pair that
I ever wore as a wrestler with my high school pair.
But what were your guy's favorite pairs of wrestling shoes
and do you feel like wrestling shoes are better now
or that they were better back then. And I'm probably

(01:00:38):
asking a stupid question in that regard, considering we're all
over thirty, But what are you what are your guys
thoughts on wrestling shoes back then versus now?

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
My first stop before we get this started, I'm wearing
wrestling shoes right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
So that's that's my credentials for this conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Go ahead, Robbie and your sponsorship.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yes, yes, I mean the short answer. I have so
many shoes written down here, man, like I don't know
better or worse. I I love a lot of what

(01:01:23):
they're doing, Like you know, the shout out to Adidas.
I was working with them for years and and you know,
I had a lot a ton of Adidas wrestling shoes.
They redid the combat speed those fives, and then they
just re released the fours again. I like the fives
because they they basically they they built them a little
bit more uh uh solid, and they weren't going to

(01:01:44):
fall apart quite as easily. And then enough people complained
about that, and so now they went back to this
version that falls apart a little bit more easily. I mean,
it's still durable, it's still going to last year, probably
a full season and a half, two seasons maybe, But
you know, the easy answer for me to say is
a nearly forty year old man, is the old shoes

(01:02:05):
were better, so let you know. And also like they
they again, they re released the combat speeds for a reason.
They don't really get rid of the takedowns for Nike
for a reason. Dan Gable still has a six shoes
that are made every year because people like buying Dan
Gable shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
And you know, obviously they've changed over the years. But
I don't know. I love wrestling shoes. I think the
old ones were better. Do you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Well, I'm gonna let you guys answer, and then I
want to I have a sub context or a sub
bike Reddit piece.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I want I talk to you about two regarding shoes.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
This could be a forty minute conversation for Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
It really could.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
That's why I wanted to have the conversation because you know,
like I said, I'm a sneaker guy. There's I mean,
you can't see the whole thing. There's like I think
there's like seventy pairs behind me. But like I knew,
Kevin was like a lover of wrestling shoes, not to well,
we only have two feet, right, Yeah, I know, And
I can't remember the last time that I wore the
same pair of shoes every single day outside of going

(01:03:07):
to the gym, which I don't have to. I mean, this,
this is, this is, there's more in the closet. But
no I knew. I knew Kevin love wrestling shoes. That's
why I was like, I want to have this conversation
because I said I had it. I asked Jamil and
Jamill was like, oh yeah, old school all day. My
My favorite pair is the the Blue Pursuit too, from
A six. I was a big a six guy back

(01:03:30):
then when I was wrestling, so I had a bunch
of a six. I had a pair of Kales as well.
I was always pretty envious of the Colotts, even though
my foot was not what it just didn't look good
like I had. I had a teammate of mine that
had a pair and I put them on and I

(01:03:50):
was like, I cannot do that ever again. I thought
they were awesome, that looked really cool, but I couldn't though. Yeah,
like it just it wasn't. That's why I like the
smaller guys were able to wear the Colas. They looked
really cool, especially that purple pair. But you know, I
love those Those were really cool. But now I was
in I was an Asex guy basically like all my life.

(01:04:11):
I have pairs of Adidas now because the DAAs just
to send them to us when we were at Flow.
But like I loved the Asex, the kales were were awesome.
And then, like I said, the Pursuit too, by far
like my favorite show. I wish that I still had that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
When I was coaching in South Carolina, I allowed one
of my wrestlers to wear them and I never got
them back.

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
I have a list of wrestlers who've stolen ship for
Me of the Year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Yeah, like I said, I never I never gave up.
The last pair I wore. I can't remember what the
player was called. It was the the Acex pair that
had no laces in them. I can't remember what they
were called.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Oh the super Flight super Flesh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, yep, But that was that
was my my high school wrestling shoe that I wore.
And uh, but yeah, the Pursuit too. I would That's
a pair that if I were Kevin that I would
be sitting here wearing right now because I thought they
were super comfortable. Robbie.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
So two notes on this one. I was a poor
kid growing up, so.

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
My choice for shoes was always whatever was in the
Final Score for East Bay. Because I also grew up
in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming and nobody had
wrestling shoes, so I'd get to go to the Final
Score magazine to pick out my shoes for the year.
That being said, I think the durability of shoes, the
old shoes is significantly better than the newer ones, even

(01:05:35):
though they're lighter and more flexible and all that fun stuff.
I definitely blew out a lot more shoes while coaching
than I ever did while competing, so I think there's
there's certainly something to be said for that. Like the
first of the I got the first edition of the
rude Is shoe when I came out, and I blew
them out within like three weeks, so I've heard they've
gotten better. I haven't bought any since then, but I

(01:05:57):
don't know there's something to be said for for quality.
I had the Bruce Baumgartner Fat Kid shoes, the heavyweight shoes,
and those were always my favorite, So I think I
was just looking up. They're selling for like two fifty
on eBay. So if I have those, uh in a
box in my mom's house somewhere. I went to drag
those out, but now keV I had this conversation with

(01:06:18):
Kevin before. My favorite shoe ever, hands down, is the
Henry Sei Hudo Fapor Speed twos.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
I had the orange.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
I had both had the silver and white and the
orange and gray, and I loved them. They fit my
feet perfect. I had big Fio where thirteen or fourteen
depend on depending on brand. It doesn't look like clown
shoes like a lot of them do. For bigger shoes,
they fit great. I love the rounded heel. I think
that was That was kind of what sealed it for me. Like,

(01:06:47):
you know, being fat and clumsy, I would trip over
my shoes a lot, but having the rounded soles made
a huge difference because I wouldn't get caught and like
trying to drive.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
So I really liked those. I would wear those again. Yeah,
all the homes I was a pursuit two guy going up.
The orange gold ones were my go to just being
or tanton, black and orange. I thought they matched all
that all the gear, all the singles, and that they
were the best.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
But I think you should have a lot of singlets
back in the day.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
By the way, yeah, look good, feel good, wrestle good. Right,
the concrete sponsorship comes in handy.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of cement chunks on
our shirts. But yeah, it's I think shoes are just
like everything else in life. I think they were better
quality back in the day. They were meant to last.
We had a refrigerator repaired a few months ago, and
even the text said like, yeah, refrigerator suck. Now they're
going days four or five days. And he's like, yeah,
I one that was made in the eighties and still

(01:07:48):
running back in my house. So I was like, well, yeah,
it's just kind of part for the course. Everything is
shitty material now because they want to they want you
to buy more of their product, right, So yeah, I
kind of agree with that these when it comes to
wrestling shoes too.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Yeah, I mean the only show we haven't we haven't
really mentioned is the Rulans. I think everybody kind of
loved the rule Ons too. I hated those shoes, really,
I loved them. I didn't have a pair had tires, but.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
I hated them too much grip for me, like I'd
follow over.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
That's actually why I loved them. But no, like like
I said, Pursuit two, I wish I bought like ten
pairs of those back then.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
I I have of shoes for for John Smith.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
The year he came out with as Unguided the Abominations.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Those were Yeah, didn't didn't have a vest that matches
those the original.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
John I mean the the John smith were pretty dope
though he.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
Didn't except for that year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
That year, that year weren't were good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Yeah, before the john Smiths were really cool. I I
missed like the zip up ones that yeah, the Jesus
if you threw the oh what the the Adidas ones? Yeah,
those ones were really cool. Those ones were like I
remember that was when I feel like wrestling shoes got
like super expensive. That was like I think my junior

(01:09:05):
year or my sophomore I think it's my junior year
of high school when those came out and a teammate
of mine got them and everybody was like, holy shit,
can't believe you actually got that shoe and it was
like a super like it was just like at that
point it was like really expensive for us to think
like paying that much for a wrestling shoe was was
pretty crazy. I feel like that's when they got like

(01:09:27):
really expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
They absolutely had. Those were the Eqts Sydney Eqt's. I
had a pair of the Co Lots. Those did blow
out like mid season, so I was probably just wrestling
super hard because that's what I do, and that's you know,
it wasn't built to handle quite that level of force.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
What what was your subreddit question, Kevin?

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
I mean, it was just going into all these different shoes, man,
like the Super Slays. So it's funny I blew out
the co Lots. I went and bought a pair of
Super Slays and those lasted for years. Those were fantastic shoes.
Loved him forever. I actually talked to Brandon Sleigh on
Blood Round about it and he was like, I still

(01:10:11):
have like six pairs in my size that I'm ready
to wear whenever I want to wear them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
But like I was like you and you should I
liked the Rulans. These are just me talking about shoes
for a second.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Well, I shouldn't say that I never had the Rulans,
but I do have still a pair of like the
pink and blue and yellow aggressors when they like switched
over from Rulan to those.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Those have lasted forever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I had those wrestled for him or with them for
years when I was coaching, and I'll probably bust them
out tomorrow at practice. The Dan Gable Ultra Flexes need
to shout out Kendall Crossed Addy Stars.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Kendall's were awesome. I loved gas those shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Everyone who was a badass had those, either the black
ones or the pearl whites.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Those were just awesome shoe.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Nobody nobody releases a pearl white shoe anymore. That's something
that we were really missing out of society.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah, I mean, if you look Yanni, Yanni might be
releasing a I mean there's a bunch of different colorways
that Spartan is looking at putting out for Yanni.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
Yeah, we got a shoe got too, though, So it
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Gets you, guy, And I haven't written down here and
I don't want to forget it if we move on,
But I did want to give a shout out to Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
A mean, I got my team a mean hat on
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Getting inducted into the National Wrestling Hall of Fame coming
up during the Northwestern and Indiana Duel. I think that
was on Sunday. Malik and Tim Johnson were on the
call for that and and he kind of talked about
what that meant. So, but he's been an awesome dude.
He's been on Blood around a handful of times and

(01:11:50):
has always been a big supporter of US and and
the wrestling community as a whole, obviously of of the
University of Michigan in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Can'tweets, Yeah, exactly, can't miss.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
He's uh, he's good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
He's a good dude, and as as the rest of
the Iman crew. So I wanted shot him out before I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Forgot Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:12:12):
The wrestling shoes, were you guys around for the Pumas
that people started wearing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
I remember a guy in a wrestling camp, yes, I remember, yeah,
pointed out that he was rocking Puma wrestling shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
I think I remember.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
Essential Dolphin had a lot of them, like the Peppleman Brothers.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
And those guys Brothers, that's the name I haven't heard
in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I remember those. I actually have a pair. I mean,
to no surprise from anyone, I have a pair of
the Jordan wrestling shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
I wanted to get those.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
It's a I mean, I've never worn them. They were
worn one time. Funny story about them is I I'm
obviously part of a ton of different like sneaker forms
and stuff, Like I've ordered sneakers from all different countries
and stuff. And there was a guy that was in
this sneaker forum that had a pair of these Jordan
wrestling shoes and he had no idea like what they were.

(01:13:09):
And he was like, got this pair of shoes. You know,
it's a wrestling shoe. I think it's a box. He's like,
I think it's a boxing shoe. Not really sure what
it is. And he's like, I'm looking to sell it.
He's like, I'll sell it for like super cheap. And
I like messaged him and I was like, how much
do you want from me? He was like, I don't know,
like twenty bucks. I sent it like twenty bucks and
I had it's an eight and a half. He's like's

(01:13:30):
it was literally only worn one time. He's like, I
got him from a friend of mine that was, you know,
that was wearing them for boxing and he didn't like
how they fit. He wore them once and they're like
in perfect condition. I've been trying to sell this shoe forever,
but it just kind of sits in the closet. It's
I saw it. D're at my parents' house. I saw
him when I went home for Christmas. Still just sitting

(01:13:53):
there in the closet, perfectly Christine. And I'm like, at
some point somebody will want to buy this shoe. Somebody
is watching this once by the shoe me up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
I got them yeah right now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Yeah, they're just they're just sitting. They're just sitting right now.
But yeah, yeah, I have that pair of shoes. And
when when he, like I said, he had no idea
what he had, and he was like, yeah, I would
like definitely send him to you. And he sent them,
and you know, twenty five dollars later with shipping, I
had a pretty pristine pair of wrestling shoes that I
could not wear whatsoever. Yeah, yeah, I was pretty I

(01:14:29):
was pretty surprised about it too. But some people just
don't know what they have. Yeah, I have that pair
of shoes, and uh, probably never, like I said, unless
somebody buys them, I'll never get rid of them. Probably.
All right, I think we've talked about shoes enough. Let's
get back to the wrestling. To wrap this up, what
duels and let's go to the a CEC Robbie, what

(01:14:51):
duels from last week were really good and or maybe
matches that were really good?

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
And then what are you looking forward to this weekend?

Speaker 5 (01:15:01):
Last week I didn't watch the Iowa Penn State duel
live because I was watching I was watching UVA Virginia
Tech with the NC State UNC match was also at
the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
It was Yeah, I was paying attention to that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
That was fantastic duel. You know, rivalry duels are always fun,
and both of the rivalry duels on Friday were ones
that have been kind of lopsided, with Virginia Tech win
and I think the last twelve NC State's won the
last eleven or twelve, so it's been really in favor
of one team or the other. Virginia Tech kind of
kept that go. When it was thirty six to three,

(01:15:35):
I think, not a good a good showing for the Who's.
But UNC they have a scrappy duel team. I mean,
they beat Virginia Tech and they have figured out whatever
it takes to you know, kind of stick close in
these matches that a lot of people would think they
would be written off in and you know, keep these
duels really really close. And after the first week of duels,

(01:15:57):
after that big upset, I kind of said, I think
there's a real possibility that we have multiple upsets in
the ACC this year and we have co champs because
the accs all just based off a record, so doesn't
matter if three teams.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Have one loss.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
All three teams are dual champions, but it doesn't matter
who beat who. And I think there's a real chance
for that. NC State showed that they were vulnerable to
a team that on paper shouldn't have been super competitive
with them, and they still got Stanford. They've still got
Virginia Tech coming up, so they've got two tough, tough
duels coming up. Still, This weekend will be a really

(01:16:36):
good one. Virginia Tech travels out to Palo Alto for Stanford.
I think that'll be kind of the highlight duel. That
one is super late. It's like seven o'clock California times
the ten o'clock Eastern time, so you can watch the
other ones du because at UVA they're honoring the twenty ten,

(01:16:56):
twenty eleven, and twenty fifteen ACC championship teams there, so
that'll be kind of cool to see some of those
guys that were around then coming back to be honored.
Those are the big ones to keep an eye on.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
I'm looking.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
I think there's there's some really really good matchups in
the Virginia Tech Stanford match. Jay Navis and Caleb Henson
really kind of stands out. But Henson was back this
week and dominated. Andy Smith was back this week and
looked good, So Virginia Tech is kind of rounded back
into shape. Lennox Walk did not wrestle this weekend, so

(01:17:34):
we'll see what kind of happens with him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
T J.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
Stewart looked really.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Good, so I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Everybody's kind of rounded back into shape at the right
time to make a run at the end of the season.
So it's going to be super competitive for the next
few weeks and it's going to be interesting to see
what it comes down to in the final week.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Well, sure, Austin, what's happened with the smart guys?

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
Smacks IV, they were be more specific because ei W
as pretty smart too. You'll cover all of them, I do, yeah,
I'll start UIW A Lehigh and Army wrestled this week
they're probably the Marque matchup to NASH ranked teams Lehigh.
I thought that was gonna be good match. I came
away winning seven of ten bouts, so they they kind

(01:18:15):
of put a beat down there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
On Army.

Speaker 6 (01:18:18):
They are pretty much healthy minus Ryank Crookham who was
on the bench, not wearing any braces, any casts, any
slings on his elbow. So he's still training to come
back for the year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Saying there's a chance.

Speaker 6 (01:18:32):
I think there's. I think the chances grow every week,
just the way I've heard that from their camp that
he's just getting better every weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
He may be back.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
There's a very good chance. We talked. Someone mentioned it.
Bryce Kreshow of fn M thirtieth win on the year.
I think I think he's thirty and twelve on the year.
So a lot of miles his belt shut out.

Speaker 5 (01:18:54):
But Mail, Yeah, teams that don't have Fortye it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
Yeah, there's that's they have a lot of duels, a
lot of opens. They were in. But Nell, Kurt Phipps,
hunter Win came over Anthony Noto of Black Cave and
I feel like hunter Wins is still a big feat
especially you guys wrestling twenty matches a year, you know,
you just don't get that anymore. And then coming up

(01:19:21):
this week e i W A main matchup is probably Lehigh,
Buttonell is going to be a good one. Yeah, not
much going on i w A ivy's last week, Penn
was two and oh look dominant, Cornell was two and
oh was dominant. Princeton was three and oh and Mark
Anthony McGowan was a beast three tech falls on the weekend.

(01:19:47):
So he's just kind of coming in the form, looking
really good as of late. And the biggest DOL for
the Ivy's next week is going to be Penn at
Cornell potentially uh tops in the IVY League that IVY
League standings this year, So that'll be a good one.
That's on Sunday, one pm up at Cornell.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Nice Kevin take it away with big ten.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Yeah. Well, I also wanted to shout out Princeton.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
They shut out Harvard uh in that, like I tweeted
something about like future you know, world leaders or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
One team won all the matches.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
So anyway, a few hours dictatorship.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
That's that is tough. That is tough.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Exam It's exam week. Cut them, cut them, break.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Yeah, always the IVY League.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Well, I think that's what made it more impressive was
that I like, I know, Harvard's good, Like they're a
legit squad and you know, happen.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
If you guys defer in this year. But yeah, they're
a little banged up.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
To Yeah, so obviously, uh, you know, Michigan lost to
Ohio State last weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Ohio State's guys looked really good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
I mean they took six of the ten matches four
bonus points, so that was pretty legit. Coming up for
this weekend, though, I'm excited for Friday night just across
the board. First of all, the youth team I coach,
we actually have a buy this week and our duels
which is usually on Friday night, so I happen to
be available when we get.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Michigan. And where is the calendar.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
There is Michigan Penn State at six pm Eastern, followed
by Nebraska at Iowa eight pm Eastern, followed by Purdue
at Wisconsin at.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Ten pm Eastern.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
My wife is going to be so mad that the
first Friday I have available, I'm gonna spend six hours
straight watching wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
I gotta tell her this is coming up. So that's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Now, don't tell her. Let it be fun for all
of us.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Yeah, yeahed organically, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Is it almost over?

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Well, we got three more mad just in this duel,
and then twenty more in the next two duals.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
So yeah, I mean that's that's that's all I've got really,
and I'm looking at uh. There is one that is on.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Gophers in Ohio State or wrestling this weekend at some
point that's gonna be on Big ten. Plus that's also
gonna be a pretty good, good h matchup. Just Gophers
have guys breank and every single weight and Ohio State
is pretty loaded as well. So a lot of fun
ones there, and we'll see if Gable can pin another
top ten guy this time with Feldman might have dropped out,

(01:22:35):
is he.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
It's fine, Welbn's having a little little tough time right now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Huh. Yeah, tough stretch for the big guy to stretch.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Yeah. Penn State obviously gonna do Penn State things, but
it's gonna be fun to see a couple of partners Wressell.
When Penn State goes to Maryland, you get Neville's versus
kirk Fleet. I know that's still very far between but
always fun when guys that are really familiar with each
other matchup, kind of like we had Lemley wrestling Mendez

(01:23:07):
last week. Pretty cool to see guys that that grew
up with each other wrestling, So that was pretty cool. Uh,
And then I want to get I do want to
give a shout out to my Alma Mater. I am
wearing another wilk shirt, but shout out to them at
the end of the At the end of January, coach
Lauenschlager got his three hundredth win and then it was
followed up by two of his guys getting their one

(01:23:30):
hundredth win in duels. I think to start out February.
So those guys have been doing really good. And I
also think it's his birthday today as we're recording this.
But but yeah, shout out to Malma Mater. They're doing
really cool things. Is actually their first Wilks Women's Wrestling
T shirt that I'm wearing right now, just grow Women's
Wrestling on the back. So but yeah, that's my my

(01:23:51):
shout out. And that's what I'm looking forward to, is
keeping in touch with my Wilke's friends and stand on
top of all the things that they're doing as a
very happy to Vision III athlete that I was, and
but yeah, they're doing cool things and it's always awesome
to see your alma moner succeed. So it was really
cool to see that. But yeah, I mean outside of

(01:24:12):
want to see some teammates wrestle, obviously, things in the
Big Ten are always cool and the ACC. I was
very kind of like shocked to see U n C
lose that duel to NC State, Like it was very close.
But you know, my my guy Trumble got the fall.
As I'm trying to been telling trying to tell you guys,

(01:24:32):
you better get on your tumble trips. Now, you better
get on.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
It's pretty awesome. Yeah, did I see that they were.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Wearing a new singlet that State was wearing a new
singlet though, so I don't believe they were, maybe not
last week, maybe like maybe like a week before. I
thought NC State was wearing a new singlet that I
hadn't seen before. When you said single, it reminded me
that they may have had a singlet on that I
maybe it wasn't new and I just like hadn't seen
it or whatever else.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
But yeah, no, So so I noticed that when NC
State was down here in Charles Fellow into the duel
and Trumple was wearing like a middle school old boxy
brute blank singlet to warm up in, and I thought
it was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Was it material or was it still?

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Yeah, it was like the thick, like.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
Real like the no, not the old polyester, but it
was the it was pretty funny. You just look thick,
So it's a yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
It was quality.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
No, I mean, NC State is North Carolina's really wrestled
incredibly well in the duels they've had so far in
the ACC and they even though they kind of have
some holes in their lineup where you know, you're not
expecting guys to pick up big wins, they're keeping them
close and they're minimizing bonus points against them, which has
been you know, kind of key for their wins.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
Yeah, I mean that that duel was was pretty wild.
I was just like, you know, I was watching Penn
State and Iowa, but like every once in a while
kind of like glance over and like check results or
check something else, and you know, check to see if
there was like a highlight clip or something else posted.
And I was like, there's no way that you know, like,

(01:26:17):
just don't get pinned. It's the only thing you gotta do, Like,
just don't get pinned. And he went out there and
got pinned, and I was like, oh man, it's sixteen
sixteen right now, this is this is be an epic comeback.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
So yeah, now you're you're not wrong about that singlet.
That is it's not new because it's a throwback to
like the Darien Colbell singlets, but it's new that they
haven't worn that one in several years. That design, Okay, yeah,
that's the that's the same design that Calbo won his
title in.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
The old Backflip Failed Special.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Yeah, by the way, those guys at Wilke said got
three hundred win were Buka and Burke Cart really good
wrestlers and deserve to get some praise obviously, and yeah,
I'm going to use my platform to do it. Got
the mic, so I'll say, what the hell I want? So, yeah,
shout out to them. Always awesome to like I said,
see mom and man or doing some really cool things.

(01:27:14):
And love seeing these guys win and continuing to do
really cool things. But gentlemen, any other closing thoughts, any
other movie quotes that you want to throw out there,
or should we wrap things up and get onto the
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Your name is gonna be Julia Gulia.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Thank you, and that's how we will close things out.
Thanks to Kevin with a Julia Gulia movie quote. But no,
I love it as always fun chopping up with you
guys talking wrestling guys. Keep the keep the comments coming.
Every single week we have more people commenting whether we

(01:27:55):
mess up on something or you want to add the conversation.
I would love to see wrestling shoe talk. I'm sure
Kevin will engage with all of it when he sees it.
But yeah, keep that stuff coming and give us your
thoughts on the basket commitment, your favorite wrestling shoes. Give
you know, if you want to give shout outs, maybe
we'll throw them here on the show and throw them
up here too. But no, it's always shout out to

(01:28:18):
warm up singlets, the burlap burlap sack looking ones. But no,
always fun and we'll see you guys again next week.

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