Intermat Podcast Conference Previews + Anthony Knox situation - IWP 3-5-25 - The InterMatWrestle Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's happening people, Welcome back to the Internet Wrestling Podcast
for Horsemen have returned and it is conference week. We're
going to go from conference to conference talk about top matches,
top weight classes, little allocation talk, and the different conferences
that we all cover, as well as the ones that
we don't aka the Big twelve in the Pac twelve,

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and anything else that we feel like talking about. During
conference week, we'll get into it as we prepare for
the madness to go on, the real madness, as a
lot of people love to say in wrestling, and just
have a lot of fun talking about wrestling and talking shit.
As always, we love you your guys, comments and things
like that. So throw any of your picks for any

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of these conferences in the comments below, like subscribe all
that fun stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Tell us how bad our picks suck.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I know, last week we had somebody that said we
all sound like a bunch of Penn State homers if.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
He only knew that.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, I mean apparently we downplayed, down played, uh the
Ferrari and Plot match and said, you know, Farrai went
out and did what he did, and you know, maybe
it was me that said it. I don't even really remember,
but it wasn't worth me going back and looking to
see who said it. But it was just like we
we gave so much airtime to that match and the

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one point where we didn't do a backflip and truly
celebrate how great it was. We're a bunch of Penn
State homers. Apparently it works.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's how it works, right.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
If you don't praise one team or the team that
that somebody likes, then you're a homer for somebody else.
They're all out to get you. I swear to God
is really how that works. But no, it is what
it is. And if I sound like a Penn State homer,
then I sound like a Penn State homer. I don't
really care. Not a homer for really any team. Sometimes
significant wrestlers, but never really any on top of conferences

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on the high school side of things, and it's not
something we normally talk about unless it's big time. I know,
we thought Jack's farrest. We talked Bo Bassett, the Anthony
Knock situation. It's really caught a lot of eyes. There's
been a lot of people that have been talking about it,
obviously on Twitter, him and his dad getting arrested, the

(02:24):
weird thing for me in all of this, and ultimately
he was allowed to wrestle and he's still going for
his fourth title, and you know, the judge overturned everything,
and from what I had seen is like the.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Judge overturned a smidgeon of it.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I guess was because him and his dad were the
only two that were arrested in this massive fight. Which
was crazy to me too, was whether or not you
were the instigator or not. We've all seen that video
that was posted of people just getting like thrown all
over the place.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Was it was madness.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yet the only two people that were taken out in handcuffs,
they're both you know, had the same name, and they
were taken out. So that was the crazy part for me,
is how do you sort through all that craziness and
only two people get in trouble? I am, I don't know.
I'm kind of fifty to fifty on it, right. I'm

(03:23):
glad that he's able to wrestle and that this entire
thing wasn't a bigger I mean, it is a big deal,
but I guess like a bigger deal in the sense
where he wasn't allowed to compete.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
But I also feel like this.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know, the decisions you make should have consequences, and
no one should really be above any of those consequences.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
So I am torn about that.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
But again, we're only getting the surface level things that
are out there right there's you know, the truth of
the matter of what happened is somewhere in the middle,
and we're only really hearing one side of it. But
what did you guys make of I guess, the ruling
of him being allowed to wrestle? How did you feel about,

(04:09):
you know, how it went down and him being allowed
to go out on the mat.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Robbie, I'll start with you.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I know you kind of got into a couple of
different discussions on Twitter about it as well, So I'm
gonna let you kind of start things off.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
I mean, yeah, for the most part, they were they
were sybil and and and good discussions, I think. And
this is kind of I guess where I'm the old
curmudgeon in the group. I'm the oldest, I have the
most kids. I've probably coached longer than most of you guys,
So I think I have an interesting experience with this

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kind of thing on the high school level. It's it's
hard for me to see an athlete blatantly break the rules,
regardless of what the circumstances. And we'll get to the
circumstance in a second. Blatant disregard for the rules clearly
gotten altered. There should be consequences for your action. That's

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how you learn not to do things. Every school that
I've ever coached at has a very clear blanket policy
or wrestling season, and every sport's different depending.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
On the number of.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Contests they have. But for wrestling, it was fighting as
an automatic or match suspension. Doesn't matter. If you started,
it doesn't matter. If you retaliate, it doesn't matter. If
it's on the match, doesn't matter, if it's in the stance,
doesn't matter, if it's the first match of the year,
doesn't matter, if it's at State right or states wherever
you're at.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Appreciate it is delineation.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, but there's there has to be consequences for actions
or there's no change in behavior. And we're enabling this
this kid because he is a kid to get by
with wildly inappropriate actions with no consequence. Now, everything that

(06:01):
led up to it, you know, you hear all this
stuff about how the fans were purposely egging him on
and saying things to his family, his team, and it
was every other team in the crowd versus Saint John's Bianni.
Is that how you say it?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Wow, at the school, that's that's different from you know,
it's geographically different from the region that they're in, our
district that they're in. Yeah, that stuff should have been
handled earlier, and that's that's to me, that's a failure
of administration. That's a failure of whoever's running that tournament.
Is that it never should have got to that point.
I mean, we've all been at tournaments where parents get heated.

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We've seen it, and it should be dealt with when
it happens, and not let it boil over to the
point where there's fighting in the stands. And you know,
you dress that first and get rid of the people
who are causing the issues and you don't have this escalation,
you don't have an altercation in the stance. So there's
there's so much that could have been done beforehand. And

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you know that the argument that always he sees his
dad fighting in the stands, he's protecting his dad. His dad
looks like he can protect himself, and it's not the
place of a seventeen eighteen year old kid to go
into a melee with a bunch of adults. It's just
not the it's not the right decision. And you know,
there's something to be said for protecting your family. Fantastic

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feeling obligated to do that or feeling that that's the
right thing to do. I think that speaks volumes about
the closeness of his family. But when that decision is made,
there's repercussions for your actions, and there has to be
and in this case, there was, and then there wasn't.
And there's certainly an argument to be made that more

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people should have been punished, other wrestlers, other fans, that
there should have been additional suspensions because he wasn't the
only wrestler involved. Completely agree with that. Anybody who was
involved should have been dealt with. The fans that were
involved shouldn't be allowed to come to the next couple
of tournaments or you know, moving forward if they can't
behave like civilized adults. But there's there just has to be.

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There has to be consequences for actions or they continued,
and we're enabling him to do effectively whatever the hell
he wants, because now he's been shown that there's nothing
to hold him accountable.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, and I agree with that. I mean I think
that I think the consequences have been kind of kicked
down the road because as we've seen, like he's been
charged with whatever at this point, so there could still
be some sort of consequence. I am hopeful. I think

(08:34):
it's it's what like was he charged with, like battery
or something like that. I am hopeful that it isn't
something that does go that far. I hope there is,
you know, certainly, like I said, I believe that every action.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
There should be consequences. I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I'm just hopeful that it's not just him being punished
because it's not like he was fighting his father, right, Like,
those are not the only two people that were involved.
So if that is the only hammer that's going to
come down, that's unfair.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
And I'm not saying that.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Because he's a great wrestler and I want him to
have a bright future or anything else.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
It's just not it's not fair in any circumstance.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
It just I think that's what the judge said. Effectively,
that's that's what the ruling was is because it wasn't
across the board and addressing everyone who's involved. It's not
fair that he gets this enforced and other people don't.
So it's not really I don't know. It's a situation
that should have been avoided altogether, if it was done,
if it was run the way it should have been run,

(09:39):
and that's I don't know. Yeah, as someone who's run
multiple tournaments, it's it's an easy thing to deal with
before it gets to that point.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Agreed.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
I think one other thing to consider too, or which
I assume the judge considered. And admittedly I am very
into this situation. I saw clips of it and those
sorts of things, but you know, I haven't paid too
much attention outside of kind of hearing what's been going
on on the side. But if if this were an
habitual thing with with Knox and his family and and

(10:15):
those sorts of things, like, I trust that that would
have been taken into consideration and maybe they would have
kept this this suspension. They're like, this is you keep
doing stuff that's going to get you in trouble, and
you got you just can't compete.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Now, you know, you'll be fine, Hantepper, right, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
Keep keep stepping over that line. But but you know,
I trust that that's likely not the case. I haven't
heard anything about the kid's character, you know that it
would lead me to believe that that's the case. So,
you know, under the circumstances, I hope he recognizes that
this is a privilege that you know, if he were

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a two time district qualifier, he probably wouldn't have got
quite frankly right, like they just would have been.

Speaker 6 (10:55):
Like, I don't know, man, you fought you're out.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
So I'm sure he'll take a moment to appreciate this
opportunity and follow through his career and you know, hopefully
move on and learn something from it.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Still awesome your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, I tend to agree with Robbie. Just what's his teaching?

Speaker 7 (11:17):
You know, like you guys are all saying your actions
should have consequences, and you just keep kicking this out
of the line of hey, you screwed up, but because
of the technicality you're off. You know, it's like, well
what does that mean? We all have eyes, we all
saw what happened. I'm not a fan of it, but
you know, like parents are kind of can be shitty too.
We all know that should have been handled differently. Before

(11:40):
even got to that point. I agree with all those points,
and you know, just funny tidbit. I was telling my
wife about the situation, and she goes, oh, was this
in New Jersey? She kind of guessed right off the bat,
which I thought was funny, but it just happened.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
She happened to be right.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
So of all the fifty states, that's what she guessed first. Interesting, Yeah,
it's like, where was this Delaware? No?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I hope that.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I mean, I think Anthony ox Ay gonna have a
bright future. You know, he's going off to Cornell, and
you know, I think that things will ultimately be fine.
I am just hopeful that it doesn't carry on to
the point where he really is severely punished, right, Like,
it didn't seem like and from what has come out,

(12:27):
it doesn't seem like anyone was like taking to the hospital,
doesn't seem like anyone was like severely injured or anything
else like that.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
It seems like it was just a fight. Guys.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Like, so if it was just a fight, okay, cool,
it's over. I'm sure each one of us has been
in a fight at some point in our lifetime, right,
so it just kind of is what it is, and
like I said, I am hopeful that everything turns out. Okay,
I want to see the kid rustle, But I also
believe that your actions, your negative actions, should have consequences.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So that's my that's my thought on all of it.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Worst fights happened at the Eagles Super Bowl party, and
I'm sure everybody walked away probably.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I mean Austin's black eye healed pretty nicely after, you know.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Being at the parade.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, So I mean that's just what those Eagles fans do.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
They're they're very brutal people.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Fights either happen in Jersey or they happen in Philadelphia,
and that's just kind of how all of it, all
of it works, right them. Don't yeah, don't don't let
the nice pen zip up full of you guys. Austin
is from the Lehigh Valley through and through, and we've
seen some punches thrown in uh in our day.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Even though I.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Will say, I mean it's funny that, like you look
kind of around the country and and whenever I look
at like high school tournaments and stuff, and I've obviously
been able to see a number of them in different states,
and then I think of, like how we grew up
going to our district tournament where it was like it
got to a certain point where both big school and

(14:03):
small school for the semis in the finals share a
gym and there's a number of teams in there, and
not a lot of fights happened in this gym. It's
and it was so it's very surprising to see, like
back home in the valley, like, think how things go
with having so many of the top teams in you know,

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in the state and in the country and not not
a lot of fights go on. I'm I'm very impressed
with that, especially this year where the top five teams
in the state were all from the Lehigh Valley and
they were all you know, basically pissed off at most
likely Notre Dame and Betham Catholic for for recruiting violations

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or whatever they like to call them.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
So I'll put it in Marcus what did what.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
What did Marcus Freeman do? Everybody mad at him.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
I don't know, I don't know. He's different.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Notre Dame, Yeah, he's he would be. His son is
being recruited though, so who's the same. He might end
up in Michigan with Kevin go Blue. So we'll certainly say.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I texted market Sign, Yeah, yeah. I texted Marcus's brother
about that, and I was like, hey, your your nephew
might end up might end up heading off to Michigan.
He's like, yeah, It's it's weird being on this side
of like recruiting with with you know, with his brother,
and uh He's just like, yeah, we'll see kind of
what happens there. But they're wishing all the best and

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they're from Ohio to so the fact that Michigan was
the first school to kind of show up is it's
kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
So but all right, guys, let's tell conferences.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Let's get out of the muck and the craziness and
the stupidity, and let's go e W A and IVY.
Last year it was one tournament. This year it's two.
And I'm going to let Austin kind of take it
away with how many allocations he one of these different
conferences gets what are some of the things, I guess

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allocation based things that you saw that were egregious, and
then you know, talk top matches and top wrestlers and
some of the things that have kind of gone on,
and then we'll get into making some picks and stuff.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, we all start at of in the room.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
Probably one thirty three for the IWA is going to
be very competitive.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
News dropped last night.

Speaker 7 (16:28):
Ryan Crookham is not competing, which a lot of us
kind of thought what happened recently, but it was I
think another week or two he might have been cleared
to wrestle, but that's beside the point. So they actually
have one allocation the IWA. Ethan Bergen of Army pretty
much earned that. But you got Matty Lopes who's ranked,

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Kurt Phipps who's also ranked, and Waterman from Drexel who's
also in the RPI. So you got four five guys
that can find themselves in the coaches ranking in the
RPI battling for one spot, which you know, if I
was looking at this two weeks ago, I was looking
at two, possibly three allocations for there, So definitely not

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ideal for EWA for that conference. Moving down the list
forty one, there's two pretty straightforward there. Coder Hunt seventh
in the country right now, probably gonna run away with that.
At one forty one, I'm looking for a second EWA
title on a little shot. At EWA only got one,

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just with Malie Hines from Lehigh not earning an allocation.
Trey McDaniel from Army did. So those two they do
meet in the finals, will be an interesting matchup for sure.
Heines won that one, I think like twelve to nine
last time they met, twelve to ten something like that.
So it's gonna be some good scrap in there. Fifty

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seven again only one allocation. Uh, Logan Razinski from Lehigh
earned that one. But you guys, you got guys like
Luke Nickter in there who's in the coaches rankings, just
just shy at earning a spot. Brandon Roberts of lu
Is having a good year. He spent two years at
West Virginia and that was at lu in and out

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of the coaches rankings, thirty third in the RPI, having
a good year. And then you got Jonathan Lay of
Navy who was nineteenth in the RPI.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Again just kind of missed a spot there.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
So from what I've seen, a lot of guys in
the bubble from the IWA that you know, we're in
that twenty eight to thirty three coaches ranking RPI range,
just just short of missing it. But you know, if
you want to find a positive out of that if
they do end up, you know, one spot short of
qualifying automatically. You know, being close to earning an allocation

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does go a long way for getting that large bid.
Sixty five mulvaney and Philippovitz, But now an Army kind
of lean the way there. Kyle Mosher again another guy
just in the RPI in coaches rankings, just not high
enough to earn allocation. So good chance for a wildcard
there for someone that comes in third seventy four, probably

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my most anticipated bracket I'm looking forward to. You got
guys like Asell who's eighth in the rankings, Danny wask
Round the twelve last year, thirteenth Miles Tackets and but
now look out for that guy sixteenth in the country,
has a lot of good wins this year. Harkins from
Army twenty ninth in the rankings, and then Josiah Queen
thirty second.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
You guys, you got guys in the.

Speaker 7 (19:30):
RPI Campo from American rather than Rogers from Lehigh. So
again six guys there who find themselves in either the
coaches rankings or the RPI battling it out for four allocations.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
So that's a really competitive eighty four.

Speaker 7 (19:47):
I'm being honest, the conference kind of screwed the pooch
there as well. Again, you got three four guys that
are just on the cusp, not quite qualifying.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
No al honestly earned for this one.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
It's an open space according to Pirate Scenehaul Pirate, So
whoever wins is going to get that automatic bid. But
you got Giuseppe who's in the rankings. Ross mcfallen from Hollstra,
Will Ebert is there as well. And again all these
guys bubble guys didn't quite qualify, and eighty four is
gonna be exciting. It's one of my favorites too, because

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you guys got this guy beat this guy, but he
beat that first guy, first guy beat the fourth guy,
fourth guy beat the second. You know, so transit of
property everywhere going on there. Seating worked out. I don't
know how it worked out, but it's it's it's going
to be a crazy, crazy bracket there at one. Eighty
four ninety seven, probably Michael Beer next topic, one of

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the top guys in the country right now, looking good.
They got three allocations to spread around, and heavyweight actually
does have three as well.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Owen Treffin top guy in.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
The EWA for Lehigh formerly of NC State, So thank
you Robbie for sending him up north here.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Should have kept his hair though, I agree it's a
damn shame sort.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
So yeah, ei WA's is Friday Saturday this week.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
I will be there at Lehigh and then we can
transfer onto IVY East, which will be Sunday at Princeton.
I will be there as well. So I'm you know,
I'm I'm I'm preparing myself here. I'm training three days
of wrestling in a row getting.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Ready for.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
That means you really, you really banked those husband points
that that you can get all these days of wrestling
in a row.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Home. Ser, you're speaking like a true gentleman that.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Weekends tied, weekends working working on the wife, keeping her happy,
making sure.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (21:49):
One twenty five three allocations a Gowan, Gallagher, Satello, Gallagher
and Stelo are two and two in their career one
twenty five, so that'll be a nice fifth math between them.
We've talked about before. Saintel a little banged up, hasn't
wrestled in a month, so it couldn't make things interesting there.
Thirty three they have two between Ferrara from Cornell and

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Ryan Miller of Penn. Forty one, they do have four
composed of Penn, Saunders of Cornell, Rivera from Princeton, and
Ian Oswald of Brown, and there's actually five or six
guys there that can actually place in the top four,
So that'd be a really competitive bracket in my opinion.
Forty nine should be good as well. Was Luski from Penn,

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Ethan Fernandez, last year's EWA champion from Cornell, and in
Ty Whalen from Princeton. Was Zusky and Whalen had an
overtime match. Was Zeuski won that one. So a lot
of good wrestling going on at one forty nine, one
fifty seven. Myers Shapiro probably gonna be the heavy favorite there.
He's good, Yeah, he's he's pretty tough. He does have

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a loss to Harrington by injury default this year. But
you got you got guys like Blake Sato from Brown
getting an allocation, Jude Swisher from Penn also earning one,
and Jimmy Harrington from Harvard is pretty damn good as well,
So you know that third third spot there could be
pretty important, pretty competitive. Sixty five Jolie Ramirez Cornell probably

(23:18):
heavy favorite there as well, but Caesar Alvin Colombia also
earned an allocation. Seventy four Simon Ruiz of Cornell is
your top seed. He has a win over Nick in
Contrera this year, and Conchrera's actually your third seed.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Because he did loose to Jack McGill of Columbia.

Speaker 7 (23:36):
Interestingly enough, though, only two guys earned a bid between
Ruiz and in Contrera, so McGill is gonna have to
win that matchup in the semis against Incan Trera again
to earn an automatic bid. Eighty four's Chris Foka pretty
heavy favorite there. Between two, three, four and five. He
got some good tight competition between Hail from Penn, Molhauser

(23:59):
of Princeton, Fine of Columbia, and I'm gonna include Andrew
real Real from.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Brown in that mix as well. He had a tight
match with Mohauser, so.

Speaker 7 (24:09):
Four bids there, but again five guys kind of battling
it out second through fourth, so it should be really competitive.
Ninety seven Luke Stout Mikey Della Gatta each earned allocation.
Stout probably the favorite there, and then eighty five open
space Ashton Davis from Cornell. Top seed John Pardo second,

(24:29):
and then good old Sebastian Garibaldi from Princeton. If you
guys remember pinned the IOWA heavyweight few years ago and
uh like a like a roll through kind of fat
man roll thing and I don't know what the move was,
but yeah, so he's got some big move capability.

Speaker 6 (24:46):
He'll he'll.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah, So I sped through that pretty quick.

Speaker 7 (24:53):
You guys can we guys, we can touch on things
if you want, but yeah, that's my.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Quick I want to I want to go back to EDWA.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
You know, we obviously know allocations are and who these
top guys are, but which one of these weight classes
or maybe it's a couple of weight classes for you
with covering the AWA has been the most competitive.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Over the year.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
That now that all these guys are going to be
in one place one time, that you feel is probably
going to be the headliner.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 7 (25:25):
I think I mentioned before seventy four just has a
ton of talent there. Wasc was around at twelve last year,
Casella was third at Las Vegas this year. Majored wask
already on the season. I think he's loving number eight
or nine in the coaches rankings. Takets from buck Nell sophomore.
A little under the radar to most people, but he's

(25:46):
beaten a lot of good dudes this year. He'll be
in that mix. Josiah Queen from Drexel wrestled second semester
looking really good. Dn Harkins from Army. Yeah, so a
lot of guys like I mentioned, just ranked pretty high
in the country there. And you know, you got guys
like Darien Roberts at Morgan State who who spent a
few years at Oklahoma, was a starter for them and

(26:09):
you know found a way at Morgan State. A little
banged up this year, and you know he's gonna make
a good run here as well. And just talking, you know,
thirty three, I think quarterfinals and on, there's going to
be some good matches because you got guys that like,
for instance, Mason Leipert, one of the tech fol leaders
and from fn M in the country eight seed. You know,

(26:32):
that's that's a tough out for a top seed like
Ethan Bergen. Leipert is tough to wrestle, tough defensively, really
good on top. He's the guy that wrote out Vita
last year at at Journeyman. You know, people kind of
took people by surprise there kind of put his name
on the map and you know seven Raymond Lopez Americans tough.
He is Kurt Phipps at number two and Sacred Hearts

(26:54):
Braxon fries Apello, I'm sure you remember that name. Holmes
a Nazareth guy or Easton transferred to Nazareth.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
He was the one.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, he was the one that they tried to not
allow to wrestle when he transferred. But like he moved
with one parent because his parents, you know, got divorced.
You know, they like tried to stop him and it
was like like that's where you know we talked about
high school fights. That's where there was almost a fight
during Easton Nazareth that year.

Speaker 7 (27:19):
Yeah, it's it's rare to have people leave Easton to
go to a non a non private school, you know,
going up school, and you know we've seen that a
few times. It doesn't happen often. But yeah, he's at
Sacred Heart now started at Ohio State. Has some good
wins on the year, so he's a sixth seed. He'll
face Matty Lopes right off the bat, you know, between

(27:40):
six and three and then four and five. Watermen Drexel
Rose from Binghamton gonna be a good quarter match.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
So I'm looking at the quarter matches.

Speaker 7 (27:48):
One thirty three gonna be really, really tough, and yeah,
there's gonna be there's gonna be some good wrestling without
the ivy's. Obviously it's a little down this year. You
can see by the allocations. Ivy's earned more with half
the teams. But now that EIWA kind of knows they
can't rely on those automatic bids come conference tournament, I

(28:08):
think they're going to adjust their scheduling and you know,
make sure they get the allocations moving here forward.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
So I'll chuck this up as a learning lesson for
the conference overall.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, I was gonna say, how has the the ivy's
not being there made such an impact? Even with you know,
I think this is this is the first year for
Morgan State to be in the EWA.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
But how has it been like with that split?

Speaker 6 (28:33):
Right?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
And what do you see changing? You think that there
is going to be some changes with how scheduling has
worked with the EIWA more so than the IVY.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
Yeah, I just think because it was such a large
conference seventeen teams last year, big brackets and obviously double
the allocations you know, so if you don't quite earn
an allocation as a wrestler for the conference, there's still
a little more leeway that you can upset a guy,
hope for an juryault, which is gonna happen somewhere. You know,
you can kind of get hot at the right time,

(29:04):
you know, a place in the automatic bid range where
it's usually four or five, sometimes six and seven top
placers move on here now with two, three, sometimes one
at each weight, I think the conference overall just kind
of needs to do better at getting those allocations earned
for the conference and not relying on end of the

(29:24):
year conference placement as much. I think there'll be more
legwork first semester, second semester, because you look at Army,
they had six guys earned allocations. They're the second best
team in the conference, and they are guys that didn't qualify.
They just missed, you know, so whatever Army's doing, I

(29:45):
hope the coaches across the board kind of replicate that
to see how do we get RPI, how do we
get win percentage, and how do we get in the
coach's rankings. You know, obviously you can't get all ten
guys ranked all the time but you can adjust your
schedule to make sure you get our p and especially
win percentage, which is one of the factors.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Obviously.

Speaker 8 (30:03):
Yeah, more guys named Wolfgang and Gunner, that's always helps.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
On the IVY League side, obviously, it's it's a little
different in terms of just like Cornell, right, Like, Cornell
was top team in the NWA for a number of years.
They were, you know, putting their their name on that
really enormous trophy that the EWA has. That thing is
obnoxious and really heavy, but there, you know, but Cornell

(30:33):
was top team over on that side. Now, I'm pretty
sure you know, we expect them to be the IVY
champion with all the studs that they have. Did they
even with those guys being out for as long as
they were. Do you feel like Cornell carried the IVY
this year or was it significant input from each team

(30:54):
because as you said, yeah, i w A kind of
kind of dropped the ball on allocations. Do you feel
the same way with with the IVY two.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
I think IVY had I think one between one and
three less than they did last year as members of
the IWA. But yeah, I mean overall, Cornell is they're
the odds on favorite to win obviously, But yeah, I'm
interested to see how it works out with smaller brackets.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
And you know, are they going to get the same
amount of bonus points.

Speaker 7 (31:23):
There's gonna be less matches wrestled, obviously, so you know
our ups it's gonna happen, And you.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Know there's a lot of factors into play here.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
Penn is putting together a good squad obviously as well,
and Columbia has some bright spots. Princeton obviously has a
lot of good guys too, So I'm interested to see
how their approach changes, if it does at all, with
a sixteen conference versus a seventeen team conference, you know,
a lot less grind on the body and like somebody's

(31:54):
weights for qualifiers, some of these guys already in the semis, right,
so do the match.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
You have to match to advance.

Speaker 7 (32:00):
So if you are a little banged up and expected
to injury to fold out when you're one match and
get out of here, you know you couldn't do that
last year. So you know, we'll see how much of
that comes into play as well.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, before we move on to acc any any dark
horses in the E, I w a or Ivy that
people should be keeping their eyes on.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
Overall, I just think, yeah, there are there are a
few individuals, but a team overall, I think a team,
and I'm gonna sound a little biased, but a team
like Drexel is going to be up there hunting for
that second and third place trophy. They got a lot
of guys and I saw Flow did a nice breakdown

(32:43):
based on seeds Flows that are Direxel is actually looking
at third place, right behind Army West Point. So as
a team, they might come out and shine and put
on their best product.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Binghamton's always going to be in n mix.

Speaker 7 (32:56):
Flow has Navy down at six based on see I
think Navy's gonna probably overperform that a little bit, so
I would probably put Navy vying for that top three
and even runner up spot.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
But I mean, yeah, we'll see. LU had their first
D one national qualifier last year, hoping they can replicate
at least one of those guys again this year, which
is awesome to see. Obviously, be great to get Morgan
State a national qualifier as well, being the first year
in the in the EIWA, it'd be awesome to see
those guys make history.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
No fast cars for the for LU correct.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
That is correct.

Speaker 7 (33:35):
Yeah, he was in the lineup, not in there anymore,
and we did talk Morgan State did have sincere Bailey
registered at one forty nine. He's been a scratch as
of this afternoon, so we won't see sincere Bailey.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Interesting, so potentially just one fast car and one Bailey
for ENTDS.

Speaker 6 (33:56):
I wanted to throw out to it.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
Ivy's at I was looking at that that there's the
three allocations there and am I misremembering? Wasn't kay Owen
down at one forty one earlier this season and bumped up?

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (34:08):
Yeah, he was down the first half FNM open. He
bumped up to one forty nine and he's kind of
stayed there. And yeah, Bedelin, who was one forty nine
for Columbia moved up to one fifty seven now, so
Columbia is doing a little bit of a mid season
bulk job.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
But Kyle On, yeah, qualifier last year at one forty one.

Speaker 7 (34:27):
I think he was seventh in the bracket when they
brought three or four maybe, but he earned a wild card.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
So yeah, he's tall, lanky wrestler.

Speaker 7 (34:34):
He can definitely you know, pulling up set here pinning
someone on top with his cradles and you know he's
he's good on top. So yeah, like I said, Columbia
just kind of figuring out where they're at as a
team with coach Pritsof first year there. Again, it's all
learning experience for these new coaches, especially with these new conferences,
and you know, we'll see what happens here.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
I'm excited for it.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Sure, yeah, I can't wait to see how you know,
pritz Off does with his team as a head coach.
I mean, I know, early on in the year we
talked about the new coaches and how we were excited
to see you know, the Adam Hall's and and you know,
obviously the David Taylor's and how these guys approach the season.
But now we're at the portion of the year where

(35:18):
it's conferences and things are a little bit different where
everybody is. This is the time that everybody waits for,
So to see how these head coaches now navigate conferences,
get their guys ready, have them peeking at the right time,
you know, and prepare them to steal an allocation or
you know, hold on to the allocation that they've earned.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
That's the interesting part.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Right, and then obviously getting to Philadelphia and how they perform.
So this is the time that everybody is really going
to be watching, and so I'm anxious to see how
these the head coaches that we had on our radar
of how were their programs going to perform across all
the different conferences that we have. How do they follow
up with what they've done during the season, because there's

(36:02):
been a lot of really good things that has obviously
been done during the season outside of the you know,
how things have gone for Oklahoma State and David Taylor and.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
How they've only lost literally won due meet the whole year.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Adam Hall was doing some great things, really putting a
lot of butts in seats too, So that was, you know,
always something that to kind of take notice of.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Kevin, What were you gonna say, I.

Speaker 6 (36:24):
Was gonna say, just be careful not to be called
a homer.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
Won't be talking about positively about too many other teams here.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
I know, I know, I gotta be careful because there's
so many, so many new coaches. We don't want to
give too much praise to too many of them.

Speaker 6 (36:38):
You know, honesty, right, like honestly.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
If I am, if I am a Homer in any
sense of the imagination. For coaches, it's gonna probably be
Adam Hall of the new regime because, like you know,
he was always a good dude. I mean, he's still
a good dude to me now, but I'm saying that
he was always awesome to just a good guy to
be around, right Like he is just one of those

(37:02):
guys that you love being around. And so, yeah, Homer
status big time to see what UVU does. Uh So
for that you can you can call me a UVU Homer,
not so much a Penn State Homer, even though once
we get to the Big ten start talking about that,
there's it's probably gonna be pretty heavy Penn State because
what they're what they're set up to do this year

(37:22):
is kind of unheard of.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
But it turns out they'd wrestling.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Turns out they're real damn good, and they're gonna have
a lot of guys with a number one next to
their name in these brackets. But I want to move
to a CC get Robbie in here talking about the
ACC So, as Austin did give us some some allocation talk,
where have things dropped off?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Where have you been surprised that an allocation came in.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Obviously, throw in some dark horses, and uh, the AEC brackets.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Are a little bit smaller than the you know, some
of these other ones.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
But you guys always in the ACC they always bring
it right. Had some national champs over the year, another
one looking to maybe double up this year with Henson.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Well let's wait in allocations and things like that.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
If it happens, when it happens. So from what I
put together for my thoughts on allocations, it was really
three short. I thought that would get another one at
thirty three, but they lost that because Irene didn't have
enough matches at thirty three to be considered for RPI

(38:29):
because he started the season at forty one. I thought
there'd be one more at fifty seven and one more
at seventy four, but same kind of thing. They were
both just on the edge of it. Uva kind of
struggled with qualifiers, and a lot of that was because
of match count, because they had so many guys who
were out for multiple matches in the middle of the

(38:49):
season with either injury or illness. So a lot of
their guys were right on the bubble and just missed
the cut. At a few different weights, so they're gonna
be one to key if your eye on for stealing
bids because they're finally healthy and they're in a good
spot going in. But just looking real quick, twenty five

(39:10):
is going to be wide open. They have four qualifiers.
Stanford hasn't not a twenty five all year provosts taken
a medical year. Duke does not have anybody entered at
twenty five, which I'm still trying to figure out. My
best guess because they've had three different guys wrestle at
twenty five this year. My best guess is that Grimmager

(39:31):
got dinged up and they don't want to burn the
red shirt, so the other two freshmen. That's the only
thing that makes sense in my mind, but I haven't
gotten confirmation on that. So there's only five in the
bracket at twenty five, all five of whom with four
qualifiers or allocations. All five of them are rated, are
ranked top thirty two. Kiian Roller was just outside the

(39:54):
bubble on either RPR coaches ranking. He was right, He's
one off in one of those rankings to qualify a spot.
But it's gonna be a fun, fun bracket. You got
Van Trusk at the one, Vince Robinson at the two
with Eddie having that last win in the duel, Spencer
Moore at the three, and then Babin and Kidian Roller

(40:16):
will have the one first round match, so it's gonna
be it's gonna be an interesting semi finals. I would think,
I mean babinon Rollers kind of a toss up. Bavin
won the duel, so you kind of lean that way,
but I'd be Van Trusca, Moore, Robinson and Babin and
semi finals. It's gonna be a fun one. That twenty

(40:37):
five is gonna be a real fun way, so keep
r on that one. Thirty three is gonna be one
of the more tightly contested weights. He'san Oakley got the
one seed. He's had a fantastic year mostly second half
has been really really good. He was great and acc competition,
definitely earned that one seed. McGonagall at the two, Tyler
Knox at the three, so that's gonna be a tough

(40:58):
semi and then Kyini and Gable Porter are going to
open up. I'm interested to see how Kai does coming
off the scale. I think that's been the biggest thing.
Getting back down to thirty three has been a challenge,
and he certainly doesn't look full strength. I'm hopeful that
his cut's a little easier and he's able to handle it.

(41:18):
But you have three qualifiers at thirty three, so that
three to four match is going to be big, and
I would expect that whoever loses that three to four match,
I guess, kind of depending on circumstance, they would be
a very good candidate for a wild card. Forty one
has four. It's pretty cut and dry. Sam Latona is

(41:41):
the one. Deln Sedane's the two Saedanium's only lost on
the year is to Latona. Jason Randa had a great
second half for Stanford. Jaden Scott and Troy Homan are
the four to five. Homan bumped up await so he's
been wrestling well. I don't think they expect him to qualify,

(42:02):
but he certainly has the ability to get there. So
Jaden's got Troy Homan, it will be a really interesting
match opening round. Keep your eye on that one. Forty
nine also pretty cut and dry. They have four qualifiers.
It's gonna be a pretty contentious bracket. On the backside.

(42:22):
I think Henson's a heavy favorite. Lachlan McNeil's the two.
They did not wrestle in the duel because Henson was
out with injury at that point. So a Henson Lachlan
McNeil final would be a very very interesting matchup. But
each of them are gonna have a tough test to
get through. McNeill likely have abbys, but then Solomon's also

(42:45):
wrestled really well in the second half. Jack Geoffrey is
a wild card. He's been out with illness. He'll have
Qui busions in the first round. Could possibly see an
upset there that would be big for team score. If
that actually happens. Backside on that one's going to be
pretty pretty interesting too. Fifty seven has three qualifiers. Hippolito

(43:07):
at the one, Ed Scott at the two, Dylan Evans
who's had a great season at the three, Sanny Santiago,
we'll have greater Chilockian. This is one of the weights.
I thought they would get four. I thought Santiago would
get one. He did not. He was right on the
bubble on one of them. I don't remember which one
it was, but he's right there. Certainly one where we
could see two potential wildcards. I think Santiago and Chilocke

(43:29):
and both could make a good case for it. Geoffrey,
the other Geoffrey, Michael Geoffrey.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
One fifty seven does have a six wildcard. It's the
only one. All of them have four except for one
fifty seven and one eight four.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah, fifty seven was a weird wait nationally because there's
a lot of guys that were right in that clump
at the end, which is why there's so many wildcards
and why Santiago probably didn't get one good an allocation.
But Michael Geoffrey's going to be one to watch. He
was having a really good season, then went out with
illness and out for an extended period of time. He's
back healthy, back up to wait looking good, so he's

(44:05):
certainly one to watch. On the front side, He'll have
Dylan Evans in the first round, and which will be
a tough test because that Evans has had a heck
of a year. Sixty five got a ton of qualifiers.
They got five Hunter Garvin's, the one, Nick Hamilton's, the
two Derek Fields. Will have Aiden Wallace, which is a

(44:25):
solid matchup. Wallace was a Scuffle finalist, and Jared Kessler
and Mac Church will be the four to five that'll
be a good one too. The interesting thing at this
waight is Charlie Derricott was a second semester transfer from
Stanford to UNC. He has five matches on the year,
all ACC matches, he's owned five, so I'm interested to

(44:48):
see if he's able to bounce back and get some
positive momentum here. But sixty five has been a pretty
even way across the ACC all year, so it's going
to be pretty tightly contested. That's that five to six
match is going to be interesting.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Are we gonna have zey champions at any of these weights?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
It's possible. It's possible. Sixty five would be one where
that could be possible.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Hey, we had two sixth place finishers at big tens
a couple of years ago, so I think anything is possible.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
It is very possible. Seventy four was another one. I
thought they would get another qualifier. They have four. I
thought they would get five, but Wolak clearly did not
have the season that most people were expecting of him.
Oginsangna has been great for UNC. He got the one seed.
Lorenzo Norman, who's only loss in the ACC was too

(45:45):
Oginsangna coming back off of injury, I'm interested to see
if those two matchup in the finals full strength against
each other. U see if Norman's back to one hundred Uh,
how that match fares. Because he had an early lead
in Ogasai warrenim back down in the back half of
the match, So that's an interesting you want to watch.

(46:07):
Keep your eye on Rococontino here from UVA. He is
he's dangerous, He's coming back off an injury and finally
feels back to one hundred percent, So he's one to
keep your eye on. He's got a lot of pinning potential,
a lot of a lot of big move potential from him.
And then Lennux Wolock and Mattie Singleton. Singleton handed it

(46:29):
to him in the duel, but Wollock's are returning all
American and has shown that he can navigate difficult brackets.
So he's been I mean, he's been a coin flip
all year of which version of Warlock we're going to see.
So if the Hokies are hoping to win the title,
they're going to need a good performance from him. And

(46:49):
same thing at eighty four. Reese Heller's the one seed,
Dylan Fishback's the two seed, coming off the win over
Stewart in the duel, Gavin Kyne's a three seed. Justin
Phillips won the spot for UVA. They've had a bunch
of different guys at eighty four this year, and Phillips
is going in the postseason. There are three allocations there.

(47:11):
The one that did not get an allocation was t J. Stewart,
who is returning All American again. Same thing. He just
hasn't had the year that most people expected. He's had
flashes of being fantastic and back to that All American
form and then some matches where you just scratched your
head and not quite sure what's going on. So we'll
see if he's able to turn that turn that on

(47:32):
for the postseason like he did last year, because he
made a hell of a run last year at ACCS
and in Cula's ninety seven top seed is maxed out,
making two stouts one seeds in the in their respective
conference tournaments this year. There are three qualifiers. Here are
allocations here. Stout earned one, Stemmitt earned one, and Andy

(47:55):
Smith earned one. Those year one two three seeds. That
one's a pretty cut and right weight has been all year.
Those have been the three who are at the top.
I don't expect a lot to shake out differently on
that one. And then two eighty five we have five qualifiers,
which one was one that surprised me. I thought there
was going to be four. Trumble's the one seed undefeated

(48:19):
the conference. Jimmy Mullins the two seed, only lost was
to Trumble. And then it gets really convoluted because these
guys all had wins over each other. Knives has had
a fantastic backside of the ACC season, won the last
three wins over Pitzer and Ming. Ming and Pitzer will
meet in the first round. Barket's been ranked as high

(48:40):
as I think fifteen this year and he'll have No
One needs first round, So that one's going to be
a very interesting one to watch to see how that
first round shakes out and what the backside will end
up looking like. But again, it's gonna probably gonna be
a two team battle for the team title. The Hokies
and the wolf Pack will both be in the thick

(49:00):
of it at most weights. Stanford also has a potential
to shock some people with a lot of high end talent,
and same thing with UNC because we all know how
much points matter. With semi final wins and get into
the finals makes a huge difference, and both of those
teams have a lot of potential for multiple finalists. So

(49:22):
it's gonna be a really fun one down in Durham.
It's the first time that Duke has hosted since like
ninety eight, I think, so it'll be in Cameron, So
it's gonna be a fun venue to see, you know,
a lot of good wrestling there and a good crowd
because the a SEC tournament always has a good craft.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Awesome awesome, I mean.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
When it comes to like just looking through all of
these brackets and seeing, you know, the really good first
round matches in some cases, are you are you kind
of surprised at certain guys not getting allocations right, like
Orne and Wolock and TJ.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Stewart, like all of.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Those guys returning all Americans.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
That's what the saying.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Are all all Americans returning all Americans and didn't have
very good years?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Do you know.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Have you gotten any intel on how those guys are feeling?
Obviously TJ Stewart, we've seen him kind of come alive
in these last couple of weeks and kind of be
the old t J. Stewart, but as you said, Orne
different on the weight cut this year. Wolock has obviously
been banged up this year. Any intel on how these
guys are feeling going into the conference tournament.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Everybody seems to be healthy. I think TJ out of
the three, TJ is probably in the best spot, followed
closely by Arene. I think had Areney just started at
thirty three, he would have easily earned an allocation because
he was I think I only had one loss or
two losses of forty one, so he's got a decent

(50:58):
record this year, has some head scratches of law else
is clearly wasn't quite big enough for forty one, but
it's a tough poll for him to get to thirty three.
So it's he's kind of at that tweeter weight right now,
and that's that's the biggest challenge for him, is managing that.
But I mean he's shown time and time again that
he can he can beat anybody on any given day,

(51:19):
and I mean I expect him to qualify either through
the tournament or with a wild card, And I mean
he's he's shown that he can get to Saturday and
get on that podium.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
So I also want to throw Maddy Singleton in there too,
you know, not so much as a Homer throw and
throwing him in there, but because he hasn't really had
the year either where he has been shaky and you know,
he does have a win over Wolach, but both of
those guys have not been on solid ground really this year.
How have things started to look for him as well?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
I think Singleton's biggest thing has been mental. I think
he's got the physical skills and he's shown I mean,
this is his third weight class that he's wrestled at.
He's finally at the right weight class. So I think
it's just a matter of him having the confidence in
himself and he's got enough big wins this year that
I think he has that, and that the win that
he has over Wolac in the fashion that he did it,

(52:15):
he I mean he put it on Wolac in the
duel and looked fantastic. So I think he's got a
lot of positive and momentum coming in and he's going
to have a hell of a route to manage because
he's going to have Wolac, who's a returning All American
first round he wins that he's gonna have Oginsanya, who's
looked fantastic this year. He wins that he'll have Luca

(52:37):
Augustine or Lorenzo Norman most likely, So he's gonna have
He's gonna have a tough route to get through, but
he could do it. He certainly could. He's one that
you could see being a surprise finalist, and the same thing.
I mean, you could also see TJ. Stewart being a
finalist because he's shown that he can do it. And

(53:00):
I don't know, there's a few weights like that that
are interesting to see. Who's going to come alive at
the right time and who's going to have their best
version of themselves because that's going to make a huge difference.
So we'll see, we'll see how that shakes out.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
I know you brought this guy up earlier, but I
wanted to throw out one thirty three because like, if
you get Kyorni coming off the scale and a guy
like Gable Porter is not the guy you want to
see right away.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
No, And then you know Porter.

Speaker 5 (53:28):
Lost four to two to Oakley and then he was
beating him at the scuffle before getting thrown to his
back like in the last thirty seconds.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Yeah, he was beating him pretty heavily. He's up by
like seven, and then didn't take his foot off the
gas and went for double unders and it did not
end up well for him.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Yeah, so that's I mean, that's a very capable five
seed ready to go.

Speaker 6 (53:49):
So agreed the one to watch.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Read on that one.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I'm going to be doing a big ten article of
like matches we didn't see during the season that are
going to be potentially happening at the tournament. Is there
anything here in the acc that, you know, maybe it's
a match we did see, you know, maybe it's a
rematch that people should be looking out for, or a
match we didn't see that you're looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
In the ACCU forty nine, Jack Geoffrey and Koi Bisgins,
I think will be a really good match Uvas. Like
I said, UV is kind of a wild card because
they've had the second year in a row. They've been
just hammered by injuries and illness and didn't have the
season that they were expecting with you know, they have
a solid lineup and a lot of guys that are

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potential qualifiers, and they seem to all be healthy now
and in a good spot. So I certainly think they
could make some noise. Geoffrey has the ability to beat
Bisgins and could make a run. I don't think he's
going to beat Henson, because I don't think anybody's beating
Henson this year, but I mean he could certainly make
some noise on the backside and qualify. But that's a

(54:57):
tough weight, so we'll see.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
Selfishly, I want to see, uh the Stanford fifty seven
you like you like him?

Speaker 3 (55:08):
He's so fun to watch.

Speaker 7 (55:11):
I want to see him beat Santiago so he can
wrestle Hippolyto because that'll be and I want to see hip.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
We didn't get to see that because Hippolyto was was
dinged up for that duel, so he didn't get to
see that one.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Yeah. I want to see guys throw each other. That's
That's a good one to watch if you want to see.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
That's just me personally fifty That whole that whole bracket honestly,
Ed Scott, Gregor, Chioki and Hippolyto all just a lot
of a lot of potential for explosive moves.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, can we just get like a round robin?

Speaker 6 (55:40):
Like?

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I don't I don't really like turn off the scoreboard
and just let them go, let it fly and see.

Speaker 6 (55:47):
What happens to win.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Yeah, yeah, each other only yeah, only pins advance.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
That's the only way you advance in this.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Oneok out postal confidence.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
It's now the All Coast Conference, get it right now,
right now that we've got Stanford, it's the All Coast Conference.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Let's surf on both coasts now, yeah, it's ridiculous. All right,
Let's move to the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Where me and Kevin reside, and we do not have
brackets yet, we do have allocations. Everyone qualifies, everyone qualifies.
I mean in the Big ten you get eighty seven
total allocations. There's nine at one twenty five, ten at
one thirty three, seven at one forty one, which is the.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Lowest, uh excuse me, eight at one forty.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Nine and fifty seven, nine at sixty five. Seventy four
and eighty four both have eight, and then ninety seven
and heavy both have ten.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
So a good.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
You know, the brunt of your allocation is going to
be coming from the Big ten obviously, you know, no
surprise there, you know. And then you gotta remember you
also have forty three at large bids that are going
to be kind of I mean, they're gonna be thrown
into the mix of all these different conferences, right and

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you you know, you know somebody's gonna end up stealing them.
And you know, Austin's already talked about obviously that happening
in the EWA where there's only one allocation and uh
at one thirty three and and and what one one,
and so there's gonna be a number of different guys
that are stealing allocations. But like the Big Ten having
eighty seven, they're even though they have that many auto bids,

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it's going to be tough to get an at large
for the Big Ten, and it normally is, right like
it normally is very tough for guys to come out
of the Big ten and get get an.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
At large bid.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
But like I said, all we have is allocations at
this point on a preseas we don't have brackets or anything. However,
we do have the best rankings in the country done
by our man earl, So we can take a look
at our rankings, because what other better indication we really have.
And you know, instead of kind of going down the

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rankings and saying who's going to be there, I would
love to and I'm gonna allow Kevin to kind of
take over here in what weight class are what weight
class or weight classes are you looking forward to? What
guys are you looking forward to? Maybe you've got some
dark horses or something like that as well. So Kevin,
go ahead take it away with some of your takes

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here on the big ten.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
Well, the one I'm looking at right now is one
forty one, and I mean that's that's got the biggest
potential rematch that I think we want to see with
Bartlett and Mendez, which I'm very much looking forward to.
And then you throw in you know, complete like wild
cards like Brock Hardy and their vance vom Bauer. I mean,

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Hardy almost beat Bartlett if it wasn't for that late
reversal vom Bauer went to over time with Mendez. Uh,
Sergio Lemley is always dangerous. Uh, It's that one is
going to be pretty wild. I mean it's probably at
the right number of allocations at seven. I was just
kind of looking through the listing here, and you know,

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it does kind of fall off a little bit after
Danny Pacino, but you know, you've still got some some
interesting guys in there. Grayson Clark was really really had
a great freshman season last year. I believe he was
a qualifier for Purdue. A little tougher second season here,
but still a very dangerous guy to to look out for.
That's one that that I'm I'm very interested in seeing.

(59:37):
But I mean, one point thirty three is going to
be just chaos.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
You know. Iala is obviously.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
The man and very exciting and and should be ranked one,
I believe at this point in the season. But then
you've got you know, the the savvy Vett, the short
King himself, Lucas Bird, who's you know, cluely had a
close match there, Bracton Brown has had an awesome Season's
twenty and two on the season and very very dangerous.

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And then I got to scroll down a little bit
to get to the returning Big ten champ Dylan Shover,
you know, so it's it's going to be a very
very competitive weight class, to say the least. And then
you know, you got to go to big boys steveson
clairk Kirkfly. That's that's the one we haven't seen yet,
and that's one that we are all very much excited

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to see.

Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
And if you're kirkfully and I mean you've got.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
To be excited for this, right, I mean, amped up
and pumped and ready to go, assuming you know that
finals match happens in the form and fashion that we.

Speaker 6 (01:00:37):
Expect it to. The man. Gables just looked every bit as.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
As good as you'd you know, he quite frankly looked
better than I thought he was going to look coming back.
Like I can't just go play football and then come
back and be just as good, if not better at
you know what I was good at before, Like I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Turns out training with Aaron Donald is gonna help a
little bit, a little bit, maybe a little bit.

Speaker 6 (01:01:04):
Does Aaron Donald have any eligibility left?

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I don't think so, not anymore, not the way he
treated quarterbacks when he was a pitt.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I would not try and put that man in the singlet. Yeah,
I think all great weight classes. Thirty three obviously is
the one that that I'm that I have starred. But
the one that I truly want to see is one
to eighty four, and that is for Gable season's very
young freshman teammate, red shirt freshman teammate Max mcinelly. And

(01:01:32):
you know, Kevin, you and I talked about him yesterday
on Blood Round.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Again thanks for having me on there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
But Max has been that consistent guy in the Minnesota
lineup that had a very good true freshman year while
in red shirt and has just continued it with getting
into the lineup. And you know, we obviously haven't seen
him wrestle any of the guys above him as of

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yet this year. Obviously him and Carter haven't hit at all.
So I'm really anxious to see how he does. If
he's to hit Carter right, he has to make the
finals in order to do it. I expect him to
be the two seed, as they are two of three
guys that are undefeated in the entire weight class in
the country and both of them are in the Big ten.

(01:02:23):
So looking forward to seeing one to eighty four and
how that shakes out. I also want to see one
fifty seven and only because of how are they going
to seed one fifty seven? Are they going to ding
Ethan Miller for sitting out when he could have wrestled
Joey Blaze, or are they going to benefit him for

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getting the injury default win over the guy that should
be the top seed in Tyler Kasik, Like, how are
those seedings going to shake out. And then obviously you
have ja Cory Teamer in there too, who's who's at
five and two because of being injured for most of
the season and not being able to compete against a
lot of these guys too. So where does Teamer slide

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in there? Do they go with a base of you know,
common sense, I guess of saying Jacory Teamer was the
number one rank guy, he got injured and that equated
to him kind of sliding or do they say, well,
these are what the results say, right, Kasik has a
loss to Miller even though it was an injury, default

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it counts Andrell Taylor as well. He's at nineteen and two.
Where do we slide him into this mix as well?
So for me, fifty seven is going to be amazing.
I mean, look like I said, you've got Kasik, You've
got teamor Taylor, Miller, Joey Blaze, and then you gotta

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remember Tommy Askey and Trevor Tchumbley are also there too,
and then Brandon Cannon, who's who's in for Sasso now
that Sasso is out the you know Chumbly I think
kind of got a raw deal with the allocations. I'm
pretty sure he did get but like it's just still
a pretty raw deal when it comes to all that

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and how the Coach's rankings went and everything else. You know,
when the Coach's rankings came out, it really did solidify,
at least when our episode came out before the Coach's rankings,
and then we had the number of coaches that either
reached out to us either publicly or privately to say
how correct we were in that. And then you saw
how the Coach's rankings were done, You're like, yeah, I

(01:04:34):
think I think we're onto something here, but kind of
is what it is. But the big ten at fifty
seven is going to be the most interesting for me
based off of Seeds and how they treat the injury
default Dad is going.

Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
To be interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
I'm looking at it too, and I'm kind of counting
through and I'm like, oh, damn. You know, Saldate is
out based on you know, where he'll likely be seated,
and you know he's very capable of getting it done,
so as like Jason Kreyser down here as well. But
it's gonna be a competitive one for sure. One sixty
five is gonna be fun. I mean, you know for everybody,

(01:05:09):
it's gonna be fun for Mitchell Messenbrink, but like to
see how the rest of it figures itself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Out, baggy single and all.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Yeah. I just like watching Beau Mantonona wrestled people. So
whoever he gets his hands out will be fun for me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah, I like that, true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I mean there's when it comes to the team race,
and before you even get to that, right, as I said,
you know, not Penn State homers. But when you look
if we're if we're using the rankings as any indication
as to what the seeds will potentially look like, Penn
State is favor to have a finalist at eight of

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the ten weights from forty one to heavyweight, they are
most likely going to have somebody in the finals, which
is absolutely a heard of and I would not be surprised.
I mean, and if you think about it, Britton Davis
was a big ten champ last year, right, so he's
a returning champion's up at thirty three, very good potential

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for him to make the finals again.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
And then putting Lillidahl in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
To this mix where he is probably going to be
the three seed behind Caleb Smith, who he's lost to
I mean, and he also has the loss to to
Dean Peterson.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
How does that shake out?

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Right, Like, obviously you're gonna have to have Dean Peterson up,
probably above Lillidahl potentially because he has a win over Lilladohll,
but then also has losses over some other guys. So
seeing how that shakes out, I mean, Matt Ramos will
be at the top obviously, but that two through what
two through five range is going to be the interesting

(01:06:53):
part for me at one twenty five, just like it
is for one fifty seven. Of like how it shakes out,
But the only difference is these are head to head
matchups and how do they how do they weigh the
head to head.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Matchups as opposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Kind of transitive property of guys that have lost to
this guy but beat this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
And anything else. So that'll be very interesting for me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
But on the on the team side, obviously it is
it is Penn State, but you do have you know,
as I mentioned Max mcinelli, you do have Minnesota who
has every guy ranked right now and can very well
do some damage on the team side. Obviously IWA is

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in that mix, and you know, and then you also
have Nebraska too, So I think Michigan is obviously going
to be down just a little bit without having some
of their their bigger horses in there. But my eye
is on Minnesota and how Minnesota does in the Big
Ten tournament, seeing as you know, we didn't see them

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wrestle everybody in the Big Ten and in the Big Ten,
and how they navigate this does mc andelly navigate his
way to the finals and we see him versus CARTERA
Sarashi for the first time, But that's that's kind of
I guess my dark horse in the team race is Minnesota.
Do you have any thoughts on on team race, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:08:19):
I mean, we talked a little bit about it yesterday
and once again shout out to Blood Round. All three
of you guys have been on it with me, so
I appreciate you guys all make an extra time to
talk to me twice in a week, but we'll do it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
But it's Minnesota is the one.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
And that's the thing that's crazy is that, like it's
so wild, how after how dominant a season Penn States
had that we can still be like darn, why it
would have been cool to have gotten that duel like
it really would have you know, it really would have
been a lot of fun. I will go back to
Iowa though, too, man. I mean they they've quietly had

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such a good year. And I say it like they
I feel like it's been quiet. Maybe it hasn't been quiet.
Maybe it's just because I feel like Iowa fans aren't
satisfied unless they're they're number one, and then they're kind
of sick satisfied.

Speaker 6 (01:09:13):
But I mean they've they've they've done really well.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
Right, We've talked about how many you know, finalists that uh,
Penn State has favored to have. I mean you could
get several finalists in there for Iowa to five six,
you know. So it's they're gonna have a really good,
you know list of qualifiers and they're they're gonna have
I mean, they're very likely going to play second. They
wrestled Minnesota, who we were just talking about. You know,
it would have been fun to see them wressell Penn State,

(01:09:38):
and they wrestled Island got smoked, you know. So that's
I mean, that's probably the I think it goes with
Penn State, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, what Ohio State in there
is kind of like a wild curd if if you
know Ragotzki just pins like four dudes, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
You know what's what's funny is everyone talks about the transfers,
right and the transfers that have been in all these lineups,
and then you look over at Ohio State and it's
like they don't really have any of those guys, like
transfer portal didn't didn't really head to Columbus.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
So even though think.

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
About how fortunate they are for with the depth that they've.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Had, exactly that's what I'm saying. They have incredible depth
and it has zero to do with the transfer portal,
you know, and everyone talks about, oh, you know, look
at Oklahoma States team and all the transfers they have.
Look at uh, look at Iowa and all the all
the transfers they bought, right, like all all these different
people that want to talk about buying talent or you know,

(01:10:41):
taking it from other teams. You know, Scottie Sentis has
been on the forefront of that these last couple of
days on Twitter. If you guys have don't follow coach
Scotty Sentez of Campbell, make sure you go look him
up on Twitter and you can see what he's talking about.
But Ohio State has tremendous depth, and it was shown
throught the year, I mean, and that that's just that

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one point thirty three with Ben Divino alone, with just
seeing how well that freshman has wrestled and how ready
he looks against very good competition. It's very very I
mean his match against Davis that I fortunately got to
call on Nashville. Very impressed with that kid, you know. So,
but they are still kind of a wildcard when it
does come to this team race. You don't know what

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you're going to get from an Ohio State. You're you're
not surprised if they're in the mix of this team race,
but then you're like, well, yeah, I mean they they
don't really have the same sort of set of horses
that a lot of these other teams have, so how
could they be in this in this same mix. So
that's that's my thought on Ohio State that you never know,

(01:11:44):
you don't really know who you're gonna get at this
point in the season with the team that they have,
But they have tremendous depth, and I'm very impressed with
the team that they have put together and how they've
showed out this entire season.

Speaker 5 (01:11:56):
Yeah, this was not their plan, right obviously, you know
they're so retiring and that's that's a bummer, and you know,
we all wish we could have seen him finish out
his career the way he wanted to. But you know,
to be able to slide in another guy at fifty seven,
bump Gallagher up, rock O Welsh is out for the year.

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
They throw Harshlood in there. They're just fine.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Ragotsky's great, They lose their one ninety seven and Seth
Schoemate just steps right in. He's in, you know, ranked
top twenty. So I mean, that's that's pretty impressive what
they were able to do with with some of the
you know what would have been pretty devastating for a
lot of their teams.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
And good thing that Feldman was able to bounce back
from injury, right right, We had no idea what that
was going to look like moving forward with how banged
up and how hurt and injured. He truly looked at
c KLV wrestling Hendrickson. So you know, props to the
to the medical team at Ohio State to get him

(01:12:49):
to you know, back in the lineup and and ready
to go at this point in the season because they
certainly do need him.

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
I think, would you know what I mean, like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Yeah, exactly right, like he he should be in that
mix of top three at the end of this right
like he is. Well, I think, like I was gonna say,
I think that's Gable's only match that didn't end in
a tech fall or a pin all year. I think,
I mean it was still bonus boys, it was a
major but went the distance, right, So, very different game
from Ohio State and and what we've seen from them,

(01:13:24):
but very impressed, very very impressed by what they put
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Those tanning beds must have medicinal properties.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
You gotta get a little you gotta get a little
sunshine on your face, even if it's artificial.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
For the young kids. That's a that's a Richard Pryor joke.
I'm sure if you guys know Richard Pryor is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
But but yeah, I mean the Big ten is is
always fun as always sucks that we have to wait
until tomorrow to get brackets and at least I should
say today when this comes out. It'll be Wednesday when
when everybody's watching this, but it will be out before
the tournament obviously, But Yeah. At this point at the

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time of recording is we do not have pre seeds.
We do have brackets for the Big ten. As always,
they are I guess the main event with all eighty
something of their allocations and where most of the champions
that we get come from the Big ten. So we'll
certainly see kind of how things shake out over the
course of the couple of days that they wrestle, and

(01:14:27):
it should be a ton of fun. Before we get
out of here, let's head to the twelves. We've got
the Big twelve in the PAC twelve and I want
to go to the PAC twelve first, mostly because their
brackets consist of four guys.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
How are they stretching this into an eight hour event?

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yeah, I mean you got to get your money's worth it, right.
This could literally be all done by lunchtime if they
really wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
It, but it won't be.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
But it's the weight class that that I'm looking forward
to is one thirty three and in the PAC twelve,
and it's the Nasir Bailey versus Seth Romney match that
I want to see. Romney pins Nasir Bailey during the year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
A month later, Bailey beats him eight to two.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Now they're they're seated one and two right, because you know,
essentially Bailey got the last laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
During the year from another duel that they had.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
So I'm guessing, I mean, this tournament starts in the
semi finals, so I'm guessing we'll we'll see the rubber
match in the finals and see kind of how that
shakes out. When it comes to allocations, I know there's
another match obviously that we're looking at in this one.
But when it comes to allocations, both one, twenty five,

(01:15:55):
well I should say one, twenty five, one, thirty three
and heavyweight all have two allocations.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
One and one, ninety seven have three, and then the
rest all have one allocation. So win one match at
twenty five, thirty three, and heavy and you're in. I mean,
same can be said at UH forty nine and ninety

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seven as well. Win one match and you're good to go.
Is really all it is. You either got to win
your first one or you gotta win your last one
in order to UH to advance at at forty nine
and ninety seven. Speaking of ninety seven, I'll let you
guys kind of jump in and what do you guys
think of how things are looking at one ninety seven.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
What kind of looks what we expected?

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
I mean, it would have been nice to see Steven
Little as as the one seed since he's been another line.
But at the end of the day, you know, it
doesn't matter a whole lot because he's either way, he's
going to have to to win one to get to
the finals, so I would.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Even still, it doesn't make sense that A. J. Ferrari
is the one. I understand the four guys, but it
doesn't make any damn sense that he's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
The one agreed, agreed he should have to go through Munos, But.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
It's I just I just want to see the match.
That's That's really what it comes down to. I want
to see how Ferrari actually stacks up against the top
ten guy, and and Little has had a good year
coming off in All American performance, and and I'm interested
to see how that actually plays out.

Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
One of those guys is won a national title.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
So just saying years one of them has a six
hundred and sixty five pound deadlift.

Speaker 6 (01:17:52):
Baby, wasn't it up to sixty seven? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
I felt like I moved in four years.

Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Six seventy five.

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
It's on the back of the new Ya we're stacked right,
six seventy five, that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Seventy five it's on the back of my T shirt. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
six seventy five.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Yep. I mean it's it's a lot of weight.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
But you know, is what I curl, it's fine, A
big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Yeah, bet I once saw somebody squat seven hundred and
five pounds. That was that was incredible to see that.
Once we're talking about weightlifting numbers, But I honestly don't
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Aj Ferrari is the one. I don't think that he
should be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I mean, at the the times that the chances that
he had to wrestle guys that are ranked in what
the top twenty, he wasn't around right, and we we
accepted it. At the beginning of the year when he
was supposedly banged up for c KLV. Happens, right, like,
you hadn't competed in a while, You got a couple

(01:18:54):
of matches in, maybe you got banged up whatever else.
You know, your body wasn't ready for it. But then
when Stephen Little is you know, coming to town, you're
again nowhere to be found. So I can't. You can't
reward that when the when the losses that Stephen little
has aren't even in the conference, they're both undefeated. I

(01:19:16):
feel like they gave Ferrari the the national championship treatment,
even though you probably and again we can make the
same argument for Gable. However, Gable has wrestled a lot
more top competition in his conference. But you can't go
back that damn far in order to utilize an accolade.

(01:19:39):
That's a little far to go back and say this
guy is a national champion, he should be the one.

Speaker 6 (01:19:44):
I do agree.

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
I should point out I was being facetious, but yeah, yeah,
but I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
I wondering what the tiebreaker was because obviously both in
the coaches.

Speaker 7 (01:19:59):
Rankings, depth of splits, win percentage, Little's in the RPI
and Ferrari's not. You know, so I'm not sure what
the tiebreaker was. Maybe, like at Homes, the price I'm
gonna do with be the returning national champ. But yeah,
it'd be interesting to find out just how they figure
that in because.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
And all three of them, all three of them, I mean,
essentially those bids are Ferrari, Munas and Little Jackson. Sorry,
but like that's what those allocations are. And the fact
that Ferrari's not even in RPI or just like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
I think we need to switch that one up and
just make it around Robin. Whoever comes out on top,
you're the champ.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah, everybody should wrestle everyone. I I honestly hope the
whole is healthy too.

Speaker 6 (01:20:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Yeah, waits on Thursday. I thought it was on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Interesting, this is this is on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Could be weak before remember those days.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Yeah, they're still trying to do that and get the
officials out from from the West coast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
So, but you don't need a whole lot of officials
when there's only one mat.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
So yeah, tournament tournaments starts at twelve thirty, and is
there only one mat?

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
That's what Willy said. I mean you could run this
in like three hours if there was two mats.

Speaker 6 (01:21:22):
One is all you need?

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I would I would go to.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Understand why you stretch this out, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Would go two mats. I mean, you go two mats.
You have, the tournament starts at.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Twelve thirty, you're done by four You're.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Yeah, you go, you go two mats. You're you're cruising
through this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
And you're already holding it on a Thursday. It's not
like you're expecting a large contingent of people traveling in
from you know, a great distance. It's going to be
family who will show up on whatever day, and then
whoever's local. So you're starting at twelve thirty on a
Thursday one. Just throw down two mats and bust it out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Just get it all done. Yeah, well that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Let's jump to the other twelve in the mix, and
that's the Big twelve. You pack the twelve and then
you've got another set of big ones coming right along.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Let's side it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Um one twenty five is, you know, right off the bat,
I think one twenty five is gonna be a ton
of fun in the Big twelve. I'm I will say,
I'm happy to see Steve o'pooling back to being Steve o'pooling,
because he did have that year where he was the
Big twelve champ, and then last year wasn't looking very good.

(01:22:40):
This year he's eighteen and one, you know, and is
looked pretty solid in a lot of these matches too.
So and again I know I probably said this last year,
but seeing his mixtape growing up. I'm glad he panned
out and I think I will think I will say
that it all times, seeing how how his upbringing was

(01:23:03):
on the mat as like one of the first wrestling
YouTube stars, and knowing that he panned out as division
ie wrestler and he's not burned out and you know,
he hasn't gone crazy, like I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
What's interesting is is, like looking through all these different conferences,
how many guys have branched out from being in the
NC State room at one point to being, you know,
really good nationally at another school, Stevo Pooling Owen truffin
Rockdales ignores the one seed for Little Rock. There's a

(01:23:37):
lot of a lot of examples, noo. So that's interesting
to see.

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
Well, And Vince Robinson and Steve O. Poland are five
to six in the rankings at one twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
They're also both five six.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Honestly probably not false, Yeah, I think, you know, I
love the Big twelve. Honestly, I love how competitive the
Big twelve is. It honestly is probably our most competitive conference.
You know Big ten ends down toughest, yes, but I

(01:24:15):
think when it comes to the most parody and like
the closest matches.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
It's Big twelve for me. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Big ten guys are obviously very very good. It's you know,
but you have the Penn State in.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
All of it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
Where in the Big twelve, whoever becomes the champion, it's
not set in stone beforehand one bit. You know, we've
had Iowa State winning, We've seen Oklahoma State winning in
the past obviously two so and I think you throw
you know, you could throw you and I in here,
as well as Missouri with how well they've wrestled over

(01:24:51):
these last couple of years. Any weight classes that you
guys are looking forward to in the Big twelve, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Just gonna jump out interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
What did you say?

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
I think twenty five will be interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:25:07):
Twenty five will be well.

Speaker 5 (01:25:10):
So we were talking beforehand and it was like, okay,
we'll figure out and Spratley will likely.

Speaker 6 (01:25:15):
Run into each other.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
And I was like, well, Tanner Jordan beat Spratley in
the blood round last year at NCAA's to become an
All American like and and Jordan is so good on top.
If if he gets the first takedown, gets ride out,
like it changes the whole match strategy, you know, And
and Spratley looked excellent, you know of late right, he
wrestled really really well and I would duel, but yeah,

(01:25:41):
that one, that one should be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
But I mean Tira Kina and figure out a second
round will be an interesting matchup too. So yeah, I
mean there's there's a bunch of those.

Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
Yeah, I was gonna throw out one forty one just
because you know, you've got a Liires undefeated top seed.

Speaker 6 (01:26:00):
Awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
Don't have Julian tag you know, with the one eight
match up, and I know tag Is is dangerous. He
went to the the training center for a little bit,
bounced around a bit, but I just trust what Han
is doing there at South Dakota State, Like he's gonna
have him ready to go.

Speaker 6 (01:26:18):
So if Aaliras is.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
Dealing with weight issues or just not ready to go,
it could could be a scary one for him. And
then ideally we'll get him and taken Jamison at some
point and that's that should be an awesome match. Jamison
is no slouch. He's got everything you could hope for
attack wise, Like you know, just because Aleiras is coming back,

(01:26:40):
uh you know it was obviously not last year since
Doaba champ but two years ago before we red shirted,
like he's gonna be he's gonna need to.

Speaker 6 (01:26:48):
Be ready to go.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
And then you've got a Josh Edmond who's always dangerous
at six. Like it's it's just gonna be awesome. I'm
really excited for forty one.

Speaker 4 (01:26:56):
Yeah, I was just gonna mention Aaliras twelve and zero
in the year, we haven't really seen much of them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
He was injured for a good bit of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Yeah, he was hurt.

Speaker 7 (01:27:04):
And you know, his best win, best competition of the
year c J and Pasto from Penn That was back
in November though, and he beat him eight to two.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
You know. So it's I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:27:13):
Anxious, anxious to see how Lars does against some top competition,
you know, being in a tight match where he maybe
he's a gut it out just you know, getting that
feeling back would be good for him, and better do
it now at conferences and NCAA's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
My my hope is that this year Iowa State has
gone over the overtime rules so that Cody Chittam does
not go back down in overtime after he gets a
ride out or anything else. I am hopeful that they
know he does not have to go back down. He

(01:27:49):
can go on his feet and do his best to
hold center.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
And dig an underhook and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Fight fight off whoever the hell he's in overtime with,
because that was pretty brutal. That was pretty brutal to
to see, just like how unprepared that whole situation looked
in the in overtime. But I will say, in their defense,
we don't have rules that are easily explained, right like,

(01:28:23):
and I think I think everyone just just accepted the
fact that it was like, Okay, he was down, now
he has to go down, because that's how our overtime
has always looked, right Like, it's just like, oh, it's
it's rideouts.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
This is just how it works.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
So yeah, I don't know, it's just very hopeful that
we don't have another rideout situation. The other the other
spot that I am looking forward to, and we we
already mentioned Adam Hall, but I'm looking forward to seeing
how Bara claud looks in.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
His first conference tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
We've known how good he has been at Penn State
and how he's been you know, behind guys and didn't
really have the chance to be in the starting lineup
even though he was probably a guy that had the
potential to be an NCAA All American. He's eighteen and
one and he's the top seed, and we will get

(01:29:20):
to see how things shake out for him and how
he looks in a conference tournament. So you know the
fact that we've had him around as long as we
have and this is the first time we're seeing him
in a conference tournament, I'm like, you know, finally we
can see how this looks.

Speaker 5 (01:29:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:29:37):
I'd always looking at that bracket too, And the six
to three quarter between I Mean and Ruiz would be good.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
I solver weeks as.

Speaker 7 (01:29:43):
An overtime win against a means, so yeah, that could
that one could go either way there, and then winners
probably have Peyton Hall, who was always fun to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
So yeah, that's a good bracket. I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
You know what, I just.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Got a manageable path too.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
So at one fifty seven, this is just a real
quick anecdote. Four of the top five seeds have transferred
to their current schools. Cody Chittam was at Iowa, Caleb
Fish was at Michigan State.

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
I believe it right or down.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
He's always been in northern Iowa, Seabrick was at Iowa,
Jared Hill was in Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
I think you're right, long live the transfer portal. But
I mean it just goes to show of like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Putting guys in better situations. Yeah, yeah, which you know
you can't say enough about that. What are we What
are we thinking on I'm not even gonna touch one
eighty four because we've seen this play out a number
of times. What are we thinking when it comes to
the team race. What what are your guys thoughts? We've

(01:30:49):
obviously seen you and I in Oklahoma State matchup during
the year and it came, you know, came down pretty close.
You know, Arizona State has has some guys in their
lineup that can do, you know, some pretty good things.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Is this Oklahoma States to win this year with how
they've looked.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
I think that's the thing I'm most excited about with
this tournament. I think it's going to be really really
tight and like comparing paths, I think I like the
way it shakes out for Northern Iowa more than I
do for Oklahoma State. As far as as the manageability

(01:31:32):
of getting guys into the higher point total rounds, like
getting guys to the semis. But I think it's going
to be super tight, and I think bonus points are
going to be hugely important, especially in the early rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Yeah, agreed, outside of the team race.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
I just kind of I was reminded as I was
scrolling through these through these brackets of a head scratcher.
Please explain to me why why Hendrickson is the number
one seed and Colton Schultz is the number two. However,
Colton Schultz has a buye in the first round and
Hendrickson has to wrestle his old teammate from air Force

(01:32:15):
first round? Why does the number one seed not have
a buy but the number two seed does? Hate when
that happens.

Speaker 6 (01:32:23):
Random?

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
They are random. They are random.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
But I mean, let's not you know, let's be serious here, Like,
as random as these buys are, let's put them where
they're they sensibly should work, right.

Speaker 6 (01:32:41):
Why why are we seeding at all?

Speaker 7 (01:32:43):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:32:44):
Why what's the point?

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Well that's something I didn't hit on with the a
SEC tournament, but it with the automatic buy for the
first for the one seed, they're losing. Anybody who earns
the one seed, you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Know, loses out those points.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
Yeah, they lose, lose potential for extra points. So you
mean they get the advancement point, but they don't have
the potential for any bonus points in the first round
where the other guys do, and it had with a
weird weight like one twenty five with two guys out.
Brian rein Art used to be the side at NC
State pointed out today that U n C and NC

(01:33:21):
State are both already up three to zero over everybody
because Spencer more And and Vince Robinson both have a
forefeit first round, so they've got three points. So they're
starting off the tournament with a three toer elite. So
it's a weird. It's always weird to manage buys and
and how all that works in a close tournament like
we're expecting it at accs and at big twelves like

(01:33:44):
that could make a huge difference.

Speaker 5 (01:33:47):
Well, thank you for your logic, Robbie. That's not what
we're here to shake our fist and yell. Plus, you
would know that five of the seven teams are going
to win the trophy anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
It's not going to win in their home.

Speaker 6 (01:34:03):
Anything could happen, shock the world.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
I hope they win at least one match Honestly, I
really hope that they do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
They should get two qualifiers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Okay, good, I hope so, I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
So, gentlemen, We've gone through a good bit of the
conference tournaments. We've looked at some of our favorite weights.
We've looked at allocations, some dark horses, team race. You know,
we obviously didn't make any picks. I don't think we
really need to make any picks. We'll save picks for
NCAA's because if we made picks it would take us
all night to do. Do we have any other parting

(01:34:36):
words before we get into conference weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
And it can be anything. It doesn't even have to
pertain to wrestling.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
It could be literally anything that you would like to
wrap up today's episode with Kevin go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:34:51):
Yeah, we didn't cover the MAC because Central Michigan is
winning all of the weights.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
There's your Homer.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Buy up chips comment on that, Robbie anything.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
I guess since we're starting these tournaments on Thursday, that
that gives you, gentlemen, you only have one one day
left this week to get that to do list done
before four straight days of wrestling starts, So knock that
list out tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
It's very good advice, Austin.

Speaker 7 (01:35:28):
Not just shout out to Pennsylvania wrestlers competing at states
this weekend, along with Jersey who has states this weekend.

Speaker 8 (01:35:37):
A lot of other states as well competing at States,
so you come up to those guys, but be nice
to see those state corporations. Maybe want to call them.
Just look at the state get it away from conference weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
You know, got a excuse me. A lot of coaches
like the Golden and you know, with travel with the team.

Speaker 7 (01:36:02):
You know, they have other priorities, so it's hard to
do that, thankfully, you know, flow and and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
Things like that. It's easy to stream, but it's always
better to be there in person.

Speaker 7 (01:36:10):
So that's one thing I would like to see is
kind of move the state tournament either next weekend in
between the weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
Or the weekend before.

Speaker 7 (01:36:19):
But yeah, that's just kind of my old man what
grounds my gears kind of thing for the day.

Speaker 5 (01:36:23):
I think it's logical name could be said for youth
tournaments too, because I literally am driving back Sunday morning
from Big Tens to go coach regionals because my kids
wrestling in the regionals and I want to be there
for it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
So the time of the year.

Speaker 6 (01:36:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
One quick state state's note. Wyoming State Tournament was last
weekend and a double MPTE was a state champ for
do Boys.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
I saw that pretty nice, all that video, Yeah, that
was pretty cool. I do have something and it just
kind of popped into my head. Uh And I don't
know if you guys have seen these me, me, Earl
and Willie have talked about them in our in our group.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Text that we have.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
These AI articles. I don't know if I don't know
if you've seen them, but they're horrible. They're They're really bad,
and apparently they're confusing a lot of people in certain
Facebook groups. I think the one was in the was
it the BEG Wrestling Facebook group or something like that,

(01:37:30):
where there were some confusion that was going on. The
latest one, the latest one that went that was kind
of circulating, was that Josh Barr was suspended. There was
another one where Tyler Kasik was apparently in trouble for
some sexual assault nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
The one that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
That caught my eye, this was actually the first one
that I had seen, was that Jory Volk was transferring
to Pence Date. So I saw that one and was like,
what the hell right, because like the other ones, you're
like CASEIC and sexual assault, Josh bar being suspended, You're like,
but like hearing your guys transferring, You're like, wait a second,

(01:38:14):
did I miss did I miss something somewhere? And it
made me do a double take, and like check Jory
Volk's like Twitter and like his his his social media accounts.
I'm like, no, this can't this can't be because I
read the headline. I didn't even click on the article,
but it was just like, this can't be true. Like
I need to at least like vet this. So to

(01:38:37):
anyone listening watching, if you see those articles, just ignore
the shit out of them, or maybe just like report
them on social media, you know, because they're they're really,
really dumb and they're circulating. I haven't, like I said,
I haven't clicked on any of them. It's been nothing
but like headlines that I've seen on these stupid ass

(01:38:58):
AI articles and like that. But that's my that's my
two cents. Like that's the the one thing that I
think people need to just let these things die. Don't
pay any attention to them, don't comment, don't click, because
the more you comment and click, the more they do them,
and they think that, you know, they're somehow getting gaining

(01:39:21):
some sort of traction with them. So let those things die,
don't pay them any mind, and enjoy the wrestling this weekend.
As you said, you know, Austin is already well ahead
on the husband points and gets to enjoy multiple days
of wrestling. Everyone else, I'm sure that you're probably a

(01:39:42):
little bit behind and have to put in those honeyde points,
So get on top of that. But while you're listening
watching this, throw some picks, throw some questions, throw some
stuff in the comments. Tell us that we're Penn State homers,
even though we really didn't talk very much about Penn State,
to be completely honest, tell us that we're homers of
any other team. I don't really give a shit, But yeah,

(01:40:04):
keep those comments coming, like subscribe all that fun stuff.
We're nearing the end of the year and we're having
a ton of fun as kind of the time that
everybody pays attention and is gearing up for is quickly approaching.
But as Austin said, any of the high school kids
wrestling at their state tournaments, good luck, want to see

(01:40:27):
even more really awesome celebrations and stuff like that. You're
not gonna get a team point taken away. Spike that
head gear, jump into the crowd, do whatever the hell
you want. Have some fun when you win.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Don't act like you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Don't fight people, but don't act like you've been there either.
Act a ful, have as much damn fun as you want.
Your champion and the winners get to write the history,
so make sure it's really fun to reread when we
go back and watch it. But as always, always fun
with you guys, love chopping it up with you and
talking some wrestling, and we'll see people next week.

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