Intermat Podcast Controversial Celebration + National Duals + 'Unstoppable' Review (Spoiler Alert) - IWP 1-22-25 - The InterMatWrestle Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So what's happening in wrestling fans? Welcome back to the

(00:02):
Internet Wrestling Podcast and we are a quad pot again
this week. Austin and Kevin are back, joining myself and
Robbie who held down the fort last week.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Good to have you gentlemen back.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hopefully welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hopefully you're you're over the sickness and the and the
and the little vacation blues. I guess that you guys
were having last week. We had some wrestling, We got
into some pretty good conversations last week, and something that
we're going to continue to talk about today that we
talked about last week now that we have more details
is one I want to get your guys take on

(00:37):
D one and D two and D three women's wrestling
coming into play.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
That'll be one of our topics today.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
And then we also have National Duels that we'll discuss
along with the controversial celebration.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
What we're looking forward to.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
And then the topic that was on Bo Nichols podcast
that him and cars Arrocchi talked about is is wrestling
better today or was it better back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
So first, let's start with National Duels.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
It was announced today that it's going to be coming
back and going to be in Tulsa. David Taylor has
been very strategic with the things that he's been doing
while in Stillwater, a lot of promotion. I mean, they
had a blackout where they wore black singlets last week
against West Virginia, and then also him tweeting a couple

(01:27):
of weeks ago to kind of get buzz going if
we need to bring National Duels back, which obviously, as
we know now was already in the works of them
bringing it back, and now we have it, and there's.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Going to be money on the line.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
As Robbie and I talked about last week, there should
be money on the line. There should be all these
different things that we discussed. Looks like they were already
putting them in the motion. So let's, you know, bring
Austin and keV into the conversation. Guys, what are your
thoughts now we have all the details on National Duels
and how do you feel about the setup that was
a now today of how it's going to look.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
I love the idea. I think it's a start in
the right direction. You know, people put money down, you know,
if that's what we got to do it to get
a lot of these good top teams together for this
type of event. Good, you know, but elephant in the room.
Penn State and Iowa have not committed, and I'm pretty
sure they said they're not going to come to this.
You know, you're the two top teams in the country.

(02:23):
Not wanting to go was a little odd to me.
You know, I don't know the reason behind that. I'm
sure they have their reasons, but you know, it'd be
nice to get all the teams on board to see
who a true duel Meet championship team would be and
what that event would look like.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
I mean, first of all, his magic is endless. It
just he tweets and then it happens the next day.
You know, I I don't think this was a set
up ahead of time. I think he just did it
on it is, Yeah, just created it with a tweet.
It's magic. No. I mean, so I agree in spirit

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that like Penn State, Iowa, right, let's let's you know,
hypothetical whatever number one and number two and top how
are many teams in the country are always going to
be there? I would love that it wasn't always the
case back when, like I loved it back when they
had it. I used to watch Central Michigan was wrestling
in it when when we were, you know, one of
the top twenty teams in the country pretty regularly, and

(03:23):
I remember Minnesota used to always kick our butts and
they wanted a bunch of different times. And I don't
think that any of those years they were technically like
ranked the number one team in the country. I think
at the time they were probably top two or three.
But you know, I mean they those were awesome and
I've talked to endless guys who competed in those events
back in the day just kind of, hey, remember when

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this happened and how awesome that was, and they always
have great stories to tell and they love competing in it.
And there was no money on the line. It was
just for the championship or that that idea of them
being the champions because they showed up to the tournament
to compete in it. You know. So in general, yeah,
I'm super super excited. I'm super excited to see it again.
You know, these guys are gonna show up and compete

(04:07):
hard for whatever championship. It could be the you know
Kevin Claunch Novice Tournament champions and whatever d one guys
show up like they're gonna try to win it, right.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
So I sponsor.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, there we go. It's not a two hundred thousand
dollars trophy, I can promise you that, but yeah, two
hundred bucks that's what you get. So you know, but
it's gonna be awesome, man. I just we're we're creating
another event that's supposed to be early in the season
and get people to show up and compete. You know,

(04:42):
those coaches are gonna get after it. I love that
there's there's money involved for the teams competing and what
they can do to to help, you know, raise money
for their program and their coaches and and you know, scholarships.
I don't know how that's gonna be vv't up or whatever,
but I just love that this this is happening. We've
been talking about it, I feel like, you know, here
or elsewhere for years, and uh, to know that there

(05:05):
is some buy in from from big programs in Oklahoma
state in particular, I think it should be emphasized. How
I mean, this isn't the only thing that they're going
in on. Man. They're they were you know, getting recruits.
We've talked about that. They're they're completely bought in. It
sounds like on what they're doing obviously just getting David
Taylor to begin with, so knowing that they're going to

(05:27):
be invested in it, knowing that that's going to you know,
probably draw some more recruits too. So I'm just excited, man.
And and the buy in from you know, a big
program like Oklahoma State and anybody else who wants to
compete in and it is going to be really really
good for that whole event.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
I mean, the backer for the tournament is effectively the
same guy who's you know, wholly responsible for the funding
that that got tailored to Oklahoma State and has done
so much in such a short amount of time. And
I think, you know that the idea of it's great
that the idea that everag TAM is going to get
you know, twenty k to.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Show up.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Probably could be a little higher because that's effectively not
even offsetting the cost of travel for most of these teams,
so great that it's offsetting some of it so it
doesn't eat into the budget and with the opportunity to
win more. But I don't know the thing that kind
of bounced back and forth in some of the different

(06:24):
groups that I that group chats that I'm in is,
you know, what what's this invitational going to look like?
What teams are are realistically going to be there and
get invites? You know, are we going to see the
top tier mid major teams or small conference teams?

Speaker 3 (06:40):
What's it? What's what's it going to look like?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
So, I mean we need more details, clearly. We just
got the release this morning, so we don't know a
lot yet. But I think it's going to be really
interesting to see how it shapes up and what direction
they go, especially the first year with the teams that
they invite, because that's kind of kind of set the
tone for what it would look like moving forward.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, I think one, first of all, I love it
and I love everything. I love the energy that David
Taylor is bringing into college wrestling because, let's call it
what it is. For a while, as much as we
have wanted to have sort of this excitement in college wrestling,

(07:23):
it's still been ho hum. Penn State's still number one
and they're winning everything. And that's just how it's been
right like they're and not only that, but something that
we'll get to a little bit later, but it's guys
are wrestling less you know, Robbie and I talked about
that last week. There's less competition that's happening. You're seeing
the top teams and the top guys hit less than

(07:43):
we used to. You know, we talked about that, you know,
obviously with the with Midlands and Scuffle and how we
used to have NCAA champions and all Americans at those events,
and this is bringing that type of energy back to
it with a guy like David Taylor who was in
the thick of that of that style of wrestling where

(08:03):
you were the number one guy and you were getting
thirty thirty five matches in a year and you wanted
to go out and compete against the best teams. It
wasn't just as much emphasis that was on March. It
wasn't just about the NCAA tournament. It wasn't just about
Big tens or Big twelves or any of the other

(08:24):
conference tournaments. It was about the things that were happening
in season. And hell, we did have IOWA at National Duels,
you know, Alan Waters and Gilman. That match I will
always remember, you know, and we mentioned that last week too,
that there was always there was always some sort of
attitude that went into winning at national duels, right, and

(08:45):
you know, I can remember I think Lehigh pulled an
upset over a team as well, and like there were
just like the way that teams matched up was just
very different. And in you know, speaking of group text
and one of the group texts I was in it
was okay, But how do how what is the format?

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Right? And do they do a.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Power for conference and non power for conference?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Right?

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Like?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Is it the Penn States, the IWA was the NC States,
the you know, the Oklahoma States.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
In one pool and then you know, name your.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Mid major non power for team group here, right, Like,
is is that what they do? I don't think so, right,
I think it is everyone everybody into the pool. You know,
we're playing a game of Shark Last Man Standing, right, Like,
that's how national rule is going to go?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Is it going to be pools? Is it going to
be exactly?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Right?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Like, there's a lot there's a lot of ways that
they can go about this. I'm hopeful that it's that
we just start to bring the parody back to wrestling
where it isn't just you know, hohm, Penn States. So
number one they are, but there are a lot of
really cool things that are happening, and a lot more
things that have us talking, a lot more guys that

(10:05):
are building brands, and you know, I think this is
the this is the flip side of the coin of
spending money in wrestling.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Everybody talks about the nil portion of it and how
it's you know, it's great that guys can make money,
but it's also ruining things because it's creating a like
a super team or something like that.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
And you know, you got you know, look at Iowa, right.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Corey, Teamer, Parco and Bickam State all all left, right,
but then yeah, look at Oklahoma State. A bunch of
guys headed there, right, So there's a lot of change
that is going on. But like the nil portion and
the putting money on the line, this is the better
side of it. Not to say that it's it's a

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bad side of guys making money, but guys transferring and
losing some of that parody because teams are just so
damn powerful outside of.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Penn State, who just recruits like that is just like
they they pull guys into.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Certainly, certainly, but it's not it's not as much as
these other teams. I mean, the one what was it
last year or two years ago when everybody was talking
about Michigan buying a team right where they took everybody
from Northwestern and had you know this guy and that,
Like everyone was talking about Michigan buying a team and
trying to compete with Penn State.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Penn State.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Certain, I'm sure they spend money on NIL. I'm sure
those guys are paid very nicely. I'm sure carter Is
is very comfortable. But he was a recruit before NIL
became a thing. You know a number of these guys
are being recruited and go to Penn State out of
the gate, whereas recordy teamer was an Arizona State guy.
You know, Parco had to leave Fresno State, but he

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didn't have to lose, he didn't have to leave ASU.
So but no, I hope that the I hope that
National Duels brings more of that excitement, like I said
that Alan Waters Gilman excitement. Maybe not as controversial and crazy,
but some of that that team parody that we used
to have back into the fold.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Look, it's gonna be in Tulsa, Thomas Gilman's down there
in still Water. Can we have a side pot for
people to try to reenact that is that an option wrestling.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
He's not tired, he's wrestling.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
He's got a rubber match coming up after during the
Iowa State Duel.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Now here's shout out to Matt boy uh Seth duck Duckworth.
His his comment in our internet chat today was, you know,
say this was in action today. If we're writing off
Penn State and Iowa participating, that puts what you and
I in Oklahoma State as the de facto well national

(12:48):
title match for the duels. So that happens is Friday. Yeah,
so maybe Chattle Pony up one hundred K for that
match and let's see who wins it.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I did see that one of the un I wrestlers
was talking about addressing the team and said, since we
won it this year, can it can it be?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
You know, can we get some back pay for for
winning this year?

Speaker 4 (13:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I know that the video of Kale saying that he
wasn't going to be part of National Duels came out
before National Duels was announced, and but I'm sure that
he had he was privy to the information it was
coming for sure.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Oh, he even said in the interview, we're gonna hear
more about it soon.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, so I'm sure he did. But does the money
factor change anything with any of these teams?

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Right?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Like I don't think it does for Penn State, But does.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
It for two of those ninety year old donors who
are sitting matt side of just poning that up?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
They're fine, Yeah, like they're they're they're fine. But like,
does that does that money aspect change things?

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Right?

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Like? Does it?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Does it change things? And say in Iowa where they're like,
maybe this is a chance for us to go get
more money. Right if if funding is a thing, no
matter what team you're on, why not go earn it?

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I think it's this is just going to develop as
years go on, like anything will, right, I mean I
think it'd be foolish. So if ten years from now,
if you know, assuming this remains a thing and remains
a big event and it's it's successful, that those donors
start saying, why aren't we going to national duels? You know,

(14:27):
why don't you go in that? Then? And then you're
start seeing more people show up when their own donors
are saying, go get that money instead, you know, like
we're in addition to it, right, Like that's that's a
lot of money to just not attack.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Or I'll match what you earn it national duels.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
We can put together a team. Can we get an invite?
I'll get.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, I mean, I guess my other question too, is
what's holding these teams back? You know it's is it
a training thing? Is it? Do they not like the
time of year? That's a question I had too. You know,
the season starts November first. This dual Championships two weeks
after the season starts, technically, right, So are people going
to be peaking for that that early in the season

(15:13):
and then taper off? You know, I would I would
have liked to see personally, you know, have this event
right before Christmas break kind.

Speaker 6 (15:20):
Of like that what we kind of hit on last week. Yeah,
it's just kind of like we have it now? Why
is it two weeks into the season? You know, maybe
again first year, I get it, you know, maybe they'll
work out some kinks, but why not get Kale brands
all that Hancho coaches? What's going to make you guys
want to come to this event? Is there a time
of year? Is it, is it a location? You know,
what is it that's going to get you guys? You

(15:42):
know somewhat thinking about this.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well, that's the thing, right is.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
And and like I said, we talked about it before
where everything that matters is the only thing that matters
is March.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
And it doesn't have to be that way.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Though, doesn't it's it certainly does not.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Why why are kids say, hey, we want to be
dual meet champs.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, I mean here, here's the thing for me, right
is for us looking from the outside looking in, Yeah,
like I want to go out there and I want
to I want to win as many things as I
can win, you know, individual matches, NCAA's if there's a
title on the line, like, let's go win. But the
the mentality has shifted. I think we can shift into

(16:27):
into the topic that Carter and Bo were talking about
on bo Show, where they discussed competition now versus back
in the day. The Kale Cormier asker in you know
those days where guys look like they were going through
war coming off the mat, where there was a literal fight.

(16:51):
Now we have a lot more finesse players obviously in
wrestling where where things look cooler, there's more scrambling.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's not as much.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
I mean, you know they're telling you to stay out
of the face with with you know, palm in the face.
Like there's a lot of stuff that's happening. That's a
lot different. The rules dictate us having more finesse players.
But like and Carter even said it, like he he
goes into NCAA's with like what fifteen matches. He even
said to bo, like three of my seasons was like

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one of yours. You know, where they were saying we
wanted to be out there. Carter was trying to get
into open tournaments when he was a freshman, and all
of that has changed to we want our guys to
be the freshest that they.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Are in March. The mentality has changed.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
So when it comes to national duels, you know, and
like I said, it kind of merges the two topics.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
When it comes to national duels.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
If they're putting that there, it's not going to be
very enticing because guys want to peak at the right time,
and that's not a time for them to want to
peak first of all. So and it's another competition, right,
and it's it's a lot of competition. You're probably going
to wrestle what for maybe five I have duel meets
over the course of two days, I would say, if

(18:03):
you're gonna have how many teams was it sixteen? Sixteen teams? Yeah,
you're you're gonna have a good amount of matches in there.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Right Collins too, not just you know guys, But that's.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Also the thing.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's also the thing is the competition level will be higher,
and that's probably not something that you want at that
point in the season because if they are tapering off
from that tough, tougher in season competition and waiting to
have it till later, having national duels isn't going to
be very enticing. I don't want to wrestle him now.
I want to wrestle him later. I'm not peaking now.

(18:37):
I'm still I'm still training. I'm still in my practice
mode of getting all of these things together, right like,
I'm still trying to get my shit together so that
I am right when we are walking into that arena
in Philly, in Saint Louis, in Kansas City in Minnesota,
right like. So, and you know, I want to get
back to the topic of do you guys feel like

(18:59):
resting is tougher now or that technically they're better now
whereas toughness levels were through the roof back in the day.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
I'm not going to tell any d one wrestler they're.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Not tough, not not so much, not so much that
the factor of the match, the match is being tougher.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
I mean, if you look at tough, look at Kales record.
I mean, that's that's the baseline, right one to fifty
nine to zero. That's almost forty matches a year for
four years. That's not many people are hitting that, and
a lot of the fifth year.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, even with the fifth or seventh year for that matter.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Uh, but teams are designing their schedules to have that
lower number. So it makes it it's a weird it's
it's different eras. I mean, that's that's kind of how
you have to look at it. It's it's a it's
hard to compare because even the style is so different.
So is it tougher to wrestle, you know, five fistfights

(20:00):
or is it teffer to wrestle seven minute matches where
you're doing gymnastics, Like it's a it's a whole different,
different ballgame.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I agree, it's it's such a hard question. And like
I remember being at oh Man, I'm not gonna remember
I remember the last name, because there was a bunch
of the Gains that wrestled, you know, one wrestled for Indiana,
one wrestled at Michigan, and I remember it might have
been against Ohio State. This would have probably been like

(20:28):
two thousand and one, somewhere in that range. And the
game comes out there and he's his whole leg is
wrapped up, and you know, it's a mess, and he's
just competing his ass off and trying to gut through
the match and ultimately has to forfeit out, and you're
just like, I can't believe this dude showed up. But
I do remember seeing a lot of that. So I'm

(20:49):
not necessarily saying that that now is better because I
think you can kind of get more knee injuries and
you can kind of get more stuff going on with
a lot of the scrambling and rolling around that that.
But man, did I do love watching people compete. It's
hard for me to say we should have less competition
because that's the whole reason we're here, right is we

(21:10):
we love this sport, participating in and in and watching it.
But you know, those those were some gretty dudes back
in the day. Man Gretty gritty dudes.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, just a question kind of as you guys are talking,
I thought of, is does a loss carry more weight nowadays?
Like is there a different system where rankings are more
effective than they were back in the day, Where back
in the you know, back you know, I keeps saying,
back in the day, you know, if you took a
loss didn't mean as much as it does now, you know,
because you know, seating is so important and rankings, you know,

(21:47):
a lot of guys use rankings and that gets their
seating formula for NCAA's right. I just don't know if
there was a difference back then, if oh you had
a loss, okay, that's fine, Where now it's like, oh
you have a loss, that's you're going to be the
for scene now for sure, you know you're gonna be
this side of the bracket. I just don't know if
that was even thought about as much later, or if
that was not even logistically a thing back then, you

(22:08):
know what, you know what I'm asking?

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, I like that. I feel like part of that too,
is back in the day, the coach admitten, like, you know,
you want to be the best, who cares what your
seed is? Just go beat everybody, you know, whoever they
put in difference too. Yeah, yeah, And like I don't
know if the mentality is necessarily different. I'm sure coaches
are saying whatever they need to say to their guys
to get them up and ready to go out there,
regardless of seed. But I think that the optics certainly

(22:33):
have been over the last couple of years that that
it matters more and you see guys picking and choosing
where and when they're going to compete as a result,
I already beat David carr Ones. I don't need to
wrestle them again.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, I mean, the the strategy of it right like this,
it's a lot more strategic of where we're going to
go this week.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I mean we have teams.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Was it was it Ohio State or or Iowa State,
maybe UNC one, I can't remember what one of the
teams that were in Nashville. They had like a month off,
so like they hadn't wrestled.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Might have been UNC.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
They hadn't wrestled for a while, like their their mad
their last match was like before like Christmas, before Thanksgiving
or something like that, to the point where like, yeah,
it was it was something like that where they hadn't
wrestled since like before, like around around Thanksgiving, and then

(23:28):
their next their next match was it UNC.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, it was UNC.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
They had Illinois on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, and then
their next one was December twenty first for the Nashville Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
So when I was looking some of them, like they
seriously haven't competed like they had like a you know,
essentially a by month.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
They took a month off.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Like in between here, and then they're gonna have even
more time off with you know, the holiday coming too,
Like I don't I don't ever remember remember if that
ever happened back then, right like where there was a
month off during the season where you just weren't competing,
where you were just in the lab just working on stuff,
right Like, there was a lot more wig ins. There's

(24:11):
a lot more excuse mean, there are a lot more matches.
So I think, I honestly think that we do have
more finesse guys now than what we used to. I'm
not saying guys aren't tough. I'll never say that wrestling's
the hardest sport out there. It's very tough, but the
you know, as Kevin said, like it just gritty dudes

(24:34):
back then, I mean watching I mean the first ever
NCAA's that I ever went to, Reader won his national title, right,
I watched that, you know, a bloody can cuss John
Reider screaming at the crowd with bloody tape wrapped around
his head. Just a very different time. I mean even

(24:55):
then was a very different time. And you go back
even further even still a very different time. You know,
guys are still wrestling injured. Guys are always going to
compete injured, no matter what the sport is.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
But it was just a.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Lot more finesse guys this year, or not so much
this year, but in this day and age, I guess.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Than what we used to have. It's just kind of
my thought.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Well, and we talked about it before too, right, I mean,
like I do think a lot of it is just
you can watch wrestling as a youngster so much easier
than you could that you can see, you know, some
of that stuff you get, you know, other coaching. There's
so many other places at least, you know, when I
grew up, I felt like I couldn't get enough coaching
and high level experience and seeing stuff, and there just

(25:40):
wasn't as much access to it as there is now
so that that certainly helped developed at the youth levels,
it goes up and then as as my old self
is realized, as time goes on, things tend to get better.
And I think that you know, that has a lot
to do with it.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
The funny thing about you talked about youth is you
have like these dads that want their kids wrestling like
two hundred matches right like, thinking that they're going to
be recruited in Tulsa. And it's like, no, like nobody
there's not a If there's a college kid, if there's
a college coach at a roller tournament, he's probably there
coaching his own damn son.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
He's not there to recruit your kid.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Like you don't have to worry about impressing Jordan Burrows
or coach Manning or any of these guys they're you know,
I see a lot of Coleman Scott's sons are wrestling
right now. Like Coleman's not gonna be there. He's not
gonna tell you know, any coach Ryan, Hey, I saw
this seven year old that had a mean double, you

(26:38):
know what I mean, Like it's just so crazy. You're
not going to be recruited from a roller tournament. It's
not gonna happen. But you see these these coaches and
these dads that want these kids to compete like crazy
when they're younger, and then they get to a certain
level and they're like, no, no backup, like you want
max fifteen twenty matches going into NCAA's which was not

(27:00):
a thing back in the day. So now, I think
I think Carter was was kind of spot on where
the matches were gritty, you know, they were they you know,
they were knocked down, dragged out, drag out fights, and
guys now are a lot more finesse.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
So I I agree with with Carter for sure.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Well, I think it's safe to say too that there
are guys back then that would not do as well now,
and there are guys now that would not do as
well back then. You know, it's very different worlds. The
Vroadigals would have fit in great there just beating the
hell out of some other. But dude, for you know,
however long it took, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Good times, agreed, Agreed. Let's talk women's wrestling. You know
when when Robbie and I talked last week, it was
the the only vote that had been out was Division one.
Since then Division two and Division three got their unanimous
votes as well. And you know, we obviously talked about

(28:01):
how is NCAA is going to work. Are they going
to have you know, all the girls in one place,
And now we find that out that it is. It
is going to be, you know, kind of everyone together
for a while until there is enough to split them up.
And I talked to the coach at Wilkeson before the
vote happened, and he was like, yeah, he's like, I
think that's what's going to when they vote.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Think that's what they're going to do.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
He's like, That's what we've been hearing for for quite
some time, is that, you know, if if it does pass,
that it is going to be Division one, Division two,
division three kind of all rolled up into one. Let
everybody compete together, and then you know, as time goes on,
things start to kind of flourish a little bit within

(28:47):
the divisions, they'll have their separate tournaments.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
How we how are we.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Feeling about the latest? I mean, obviously we're probably feeling
pretty good about it. Anything that we're gonna you know.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Poop poo and clearly against it, I think we're going
to be mad about it.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
But what are your thoughts on the format, how they're
going to do everything, and and how how you see
things growing on that women's side.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
You know, the first thing that comes to mind is
I love that it's going to be all together initially
as it grows. I think that, you know, if anything,
in general, the sport of wrestling, but in particular women's wrestling,
has done a really good job of his collaborating right
and kind of working together to figure out how to
promote the sport as a whole. So I'm sure they're
going to do a really good job with you know,

(29:34):
finding good partners to get it out there and and
make sure people have eyes on it. You know, I
literally just got done talking about how how impressive it's
been over the years with you know, just the men's
side improving and everything. And I'm sure more eyes on
the women's side is going to get more people competing,
more more you know, girls starting at a younger age

(29:55):
and developing, and obviously that's going to raise the whole level,
which I mean we've also seen over the last several
years as we have had such good success domestically. So
it's all overall going to be great for the sport
and and you know, just having those n Cuba affiliations,
I would hope would continue to bring in additional revenue

(30:16):
as well.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
My thought.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
And you know, once I saw that they were going
to have them all together, I'm like, as much as
we heard at the Division IE level last year, I
wonder if that guy's going to be in that line
up next year right where there was a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Of poaching talk.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I wonder if I mean, I don't know how you know,
if women's recruiting Obviously, men's recruiting is has all kinds
of rules, they have everything said into place very different, right,
I'm sure that women's recruiting is still on the come up.
But say you have a Division three girl that wasn't

(31:05):
able to get recruited, she has a good NCAA tournament,
she has a good tournament wrestling against some Division one,
Division two girl or whatever else. Do we start to
see that happen where they are getting poached from the
lesser programs?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Right? Does does I think that?

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I think that putting them all together opens the door
for that, especially if nil money is involved. You know,
I'm sure that the women want to be paid. They
probably love to be paid the same way that carteris
rochis being paid. And I hate to throw him out there,
but he's kind of the most high profile guy that
we have in wrestling right now, so you know, yeah,

(31:46):
I mean, I'm gonna I'm gonna use he's the He's
going for his fifth title.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
So now he's he's putting himself in the center. He's
doing everything he needs to do to mark himself exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
I'm not and here's the thing I'm not. I'm not
pocket watching. I'm not counting money. I'm using him as
an example because he is the most watched person that
we have when wrestling mat right now. So just equating
him to you know, a good amount of an il
money is kind of easy. Not pogat watching at all,
even though I would love for him to get as
much money as he possibly can.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Love the kid to death.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
He's awesome, super nice kid, should say, probably super nice
man at this point, he's like, what twenty three, But
you would you would have to think that there was
some coaching going on, or at least could potential poaching
happen at the women's division one two three NCAA championship.
If a girl does have a good tournament, you think

(32:39):
any of that would ever happen.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
I mean you saw it just with with the addition
of D one programs snatching up girls who otherwise would
have been a D two and D three programs, and
it's certainly, you know, putting them all together at the
highest level and letting them all compete together, you're gonna
see some gems that were probably under the radar and
recruiting that went to a smaller program and got coached

(33:02):
up well. And then you know, it's the same thing
we see at the D one tournament every year. We're
going to see a smaller school kid make a run
and get picked off and get get a good chunk
of change for it and end up in one of
those bigger team lineups.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, I mean, it's about I shouldn't say, you know,
I should say it's about time the NCAA kind of
makes this an official thing. Right. It's the fastest growing
sport in the country and has been for the past
I don't know, half decade, maybe in a decade. Yeah,
I think you know, Iowa having a program, a women's
program at the forefront was a major key in that decision.

(33:39):
You know, big school in Iowa, born and bred to wrestle,
such a tradition from the men's side, and you know,
it's good to have a school in Iowa. But you know,
my other question is who's the next quote unquote big
school to step up? Is it going to be Penn State,
Oklahoma State, Ohio State, Nebraska? You know which of those
schools is going to step up? And you know, is

(33:59):
there a concern that NIL being such a thing now,
is that money getting diverted towards the male athletes where
that where originally could have went to the women's school.
I know, I think it was John Smith an interview
last year two years ago, kind of mentioned that a
little bit like, hey, you guys want n I l
it may sew up your women's your women's team being

(34:19):
brought up because you know, there's almly so much money
to go around. That's the reality, right, you know, with
so much money getting thrown into the sport here, I
think we're gonna start seeing another big program pop off
with the women's team, and then I think we're just
gonna fall suit. You know, I just think that's kind
of a minor hesitant I have in the back of
my mind there.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, Olhoma State does have a team. Yeah, they do.
They have to cal that's right.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
They just hired a Yeah, he's he's the their code.
They had a they had a women's match last last
week during the blackout, during the blackout that they did.
So yeah, I mean they're they're doing some things. And
the High obviously has a team.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
They just signed a girl from Easton.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
That.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah, it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
So you are seeing these teams that are putting putting
these things together.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Obviously we would love to see a lot more.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
And that's not to discredit the women's teams that have
been out there doing it for such a long time. Right,
There's been so many I can remember, so obviously you
know also and I know, but Mitch Minatti and I'm
sure you guys remember Mitch High. Yeah, his his backup
in high school was a girl. Her name is Kasey Kruchek.

(35:34):
She actually went to Campbellsville and she wrestled with with
Miracle so and she was there at that point. So
I was, you know, back home cover and wrestling from
from uh, you know, for our hometown newspaper, and I
would write about her all the time because she was
actually doing really really well. I think she ended up
maybe second at the national tournament that they had back then.

(35:56):
So it's obviously come a long way. But there have
been so many teams tams that have been doing this
for such a long time that I think it's going
to be awesome to see them now on this grand
stage as well.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Right, So.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Not just the Division one, Division two, Division three teams
that are currently getting funding, you know, like Mama Mater
at Wilkes and getting approval. These girls have been grinding
for a very long time and they definitely deserve to
get the pub and have the spotlight. And I'm anxious
to see how things are covered and how well the

(36:34):
tournament is attended and how much support the fans give it,
because everybody can tell and be super excited about, you know,
this vote and how it's unanimous and everything else. Now,
you really got to pony up. You got to start
watching women's wrestling more. You got to start paying attention.
And I'm hopeful Robbie and I talked about this last week.

(36:55):
I'm hopeful that we start to see our women's legends
in the coaching chairs, you know, see Helen in a
coaching chair, car and a coaching chair. You know, see
them start to pass on. I mean, I know that,
you know a lot of them are still competing, but
let's start to see them, you know, coaching the next
generation and bringing these girls up and doing some of

(37:19):
the same things that I was doing.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Now. Yeah, I imagine if you'd get like an Adeline
Gray or hild the Brand or you know, some of
these people that have just been the staples of of
USA women's wrestling for the last several years, you know,
jumping in and and you know, essentially kind of doing
what David Taylor's tried to do recently at Oklahoma State.
Big name higher and big name coaching, and you know,

(37:43):
keep it moving.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Let's talk a little movies.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I think we all, I think we've all seen Unstoppable
at this point. What, yeah, tell her to make sure
she just doesn't watch the show.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
She is the one listening to aout wrests.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
She's a weekly tuning in person.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, yeah, my wife too.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
What do you what do you what did you guys
think of the movie?

Speaker 4 (38:19):
It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Julius really made it the movie.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
He was great. He was really great. I loved every
bit of it. Man, I read the book when it
came out, and and you know, I mean that was
a number of years ago, and and so it was
I was excited to see it hit the big screen.
I thought the acting was really well like it was.
It was they did a good job fitting a lot.
I mean, I mean, that's a big, long book about

(38:44):
like his whole growing up and struggle and everything right
and and you know, putting it together, and there's a
lot of important pieces that you can't always fit into
two hours. But they did a really really good job
picking out the important pieces, making it you know, hit
home for you you know, his his family and the
struggles at home. I mean, it was it was like,

(39:06):
I know, they say this about sports movies a lot,
so I'm gonna you know, steal it. But it basically
was like a movie about family that involved wrestling, you
know what I mean, Like that just happened to be
the conduit that they used to explain you know, his
family life and situation and those struggles. And it was
just really really well done. So yeah, big was a

(39:28):
big fan. I watched it today partially to see if
I could, you know, show it to my kids, and
I can also say happily. Yeah, totally can.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
It's funny you say that because a friend of mine
was like, he didn't he didn't say he hated it,
but he was like, I don't like it, and I'm
like why and he's like, well, the person that they
put for tom Brands, he's an Iowa fan. The person
the actor that they hired for Tom Brands was horrible.
I'm like, Tom Brands was not a focal point of

(39:58):
this movie. What's so they could it doesn't matter that
they put uh, you know that guy in the in
the like, I mean, it was cool. They put Jesse
Jansen in in the in the movie as his is
his assistant, but Tom Brads was not on focal point.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
He had like two three scenes in the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
He's Julius, right, He's like he's like, well, he's like
but you can tell that they've never shot a wrestling
match before and and you know, it's just some of
the wrestling just wasn't realistic.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
And I'm like, you understand that.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
This was not a movie about wrestling, like this was
about Anthony's life. It just so happens that he was
a champion wrestler and that was the under like wrestling
was the underlying story. So literally, Kevin, like you saying that,
I'm like I had to have that conversation.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
With a friend of mine who just was like, god,
it like this.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I'm like, I'm like, then you didn't you watched it
because you wanted it to be Vision Quest. That's the
problem is you wanted another Vision Quest and you.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Did all do that.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
It's like watching Rocky and being like the boxing was unrealistic.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
Yeah, yeah, it's not a boxing movie like exactly, So
like it's just the the sport part of it is
the underlying thing.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Like it just wasn't what the story was about, right,
So the only thing that I didn't like is is
that they.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Put him in the finals against McDonough twice.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Yeah, that had me.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
That had me questioning my own knowledge at one point
where I was like, I was like, wait a second,
I was there when they wrestled, and I don't think
that it happened like like that was the only part
that I was like, there's some hollywoodization here which you
knew was gonna happen, and it was you know, it
was cool that they made it more of a redemption

(41:54):
type of a thing. I think it still would have
been awesome if they would have, you know, made him
play seventh like he actually did in that in that NCAAs.
But that was the part where I was like, man,
somewhere Andrew Long is punching the air right now because
he's expecting to see himself and he is not there
at all. But other than that, no, I thought I

(42:15):
thought it was awesome. And you know, I had the
you know, obviously, the privilege of talking to Anthony and
interviewing him about the movie before even seeing it, So
having him explain a lot of these things, and you
know how hard it was to kind of go through
living these reliving these life events and then him you know,

(42:36):
saying how you know him and his mom both shed
tears and cried when they walked into the into the
remake of the Philadelphia Arena, you know, so like me
watching that after interviewing him, I'm like, man, this is
like another part that he talked about. So that was
like really cool, you know, personally for me. But I
thought the movie was great. I thought they did a

(42:57):
really good job. Fellows, what were your thoughts?

Speaker 5 (43:00):
I think I was most happy that they they put
as much into it as they did production value wise, Yeah,
you know, cast wise, it was. There was an investment
to make it a really good movie. It wasn't just this,
well this guy did this, We're gonna make a quick
quick buck on it and throw this out there. Like,
they did a really good job telling the story, and

(43:21):
I think it was. I mean, I was like fifty
yards from the mat watching in twenty eleven and like that.
The crowd reaction was was unlike anything I've experienced and
just kind of it had that feeling and I really enjoyed,
like how much it felt real to what I remember.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Yeah, unfortunately I haven't seen it yet, but I do.
I dos touching buddies that did, non wrestling buddies that
just say that saw it and they were really impressed
with it. They're asking how as I Sorry, guys, I
haven't had time to watch it yet, but I've heard
good things from non wrestling people, so I think I'm
excited you talked to non wrestling people. I have a
few in my life. Yeah, I mean, if you're not

(44:08):
that close, not like you guys.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a good movie.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
They did a really good job with it.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
The wrestling actually, I mean is that's why another reason
why I was kind of mad at my friend for
thinking that the wrestling part of it wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I'm like, you know, they.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Brought in his high school coach to do all the
wrestling parts of it. They obviously had to make a
little bit like taper back on it, but they they
brought him in the actually to make sure it was
like true to wrestling. So there, you know, they you know,
they were really authentic in the movie. And the the

(44:50):
other thing that made me laugh was them weighing in
on the old scales.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
That was the other. That was the other. The other
thing made me laugh.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I was like that, I'm I'm like, we had digital
scales back in ninety nine.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Like the only thing that would have made that better
is if it was one of the stock scales, like
you had to get on that, like the cattle scale.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Though easy, they had to move the weights.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
That would have been even better.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah. No, it's good. I definitely good movie.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
If you haven't seen it, go watch it. Hopefully we
didn't see We probably spoiled some things for you, but
I don't really care at this point.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
You know. Yeah he wins. Uh yeah, that's a national title.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
He does good, he does does well.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
And I was gonna say I the last two notes
I have is I'd like that he was gracious or
they were gracious in the movie to McDonough because it
wasn't that close in the actual match. It was in
the movie. But the other thing I was I was
at a little upset with is that like they didn't
have some drunk kid and CMU gear running around in

(45:59):
the stands fifty rows up, like I wasn't featured at all.
I was there too, Robbie, We we should have hung
out more. I didn't know you then, but.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Uh, that's funny. We were all there.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Yeah, it turns out we're going to be back there
in a few months, right, well, some of us, A.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Time will tell, Time will tell. I gotta gonna make
some moves, I think we'll see.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah, we were We were all there, and I mean
the only person I knew at that point was Austin
and he was way younger at that at that point.
But yeah, we were all in the in the arena
at that point, and no I did That's actually the
day I met Mike Mouth. We somehow made our way
into the Princeton suite. Don't know how, and but I mean,

(46:38):
with you guys knowing both me and Mike Maw, I'm
sure you can probably figure.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Out that checks out.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
And and that's how I met Mike Mouth. We were
standing there watching wrestling and just started talking and that's
how I met him.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
Yeah, I was actually sweet too.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I think you guys were like one or two next
to me, probably crowd over there.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, those Prince guys.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
That was the first tournament that I volunteered at, and
I uh, I think I had five minutes of work
and the rest of the time I just kind of
hung out in the tunnel watching all the matches.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
It's pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, you no good movie. Definitely go watch it. Definitely
go see it Anthony. I mean there are points where
see when you watch the movie, see if you can
tell when it's Anthony doing a stunt and it's and
it's uh, Darrell doing a stunt, because you can tell,
you can you can certainly tell when it is Anthony.

(47:32):
And the only other thing I will say is also
go look up on IMDb the casting and.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Look at Chaine Sparks. You will you will.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Be very happy when you go.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
It's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah, so yeah, let's let's talk controversial celebration, so.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
We can we can here.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Let's let's have a natural transition here. Who else won
from Arizona State in twenty eleven?

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Baba Jenkins?

Speaker 3 (48:01):
And how did he celebrate?

Speaker 2 (48:03):
He shot?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
He shot the bands look at this transition transition, yes,
moving into still water. First of all, I love Bubba Jenkins.
I love the celebration. I did not love the celebration
in still Water. And the only reason is because you

(48:26):
simulated that.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
You literally murdered your opponent on the mat.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
And we can't all rejoice that Sammy Sasso is okay
after being shot and missing a season and having hit
the comeback that he has, and then we're all okay
with seeing that, right like I if he would have
shot into the air, like like Anthony Ashnaal in probably
one of the best pieces of content I ever captured

(48:50):
when I was at Flow. I'm all good with it.
I'm all good with it. I I am all for
celebrations all the time. I just didn't like the same
related murder in the middle of the mat. I'm cool
with it, fine with celebration, but that was the only
part where I'm like, man, like, you could have like

(49:11):
just turn yeah, like turn around something right like.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
But.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Nobody likes mascots anyway.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
It is, Yeah, it is. What is it happened?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
There are people that are saying, I mean JDJ Sarachi,
They're saying that they loved it, saying that it was
awesome because you know, it gets people talking. It's sort
of personality. I'm all for that. I I love celebrations.
I love it. You know, I was a ship talker
and celebrator myself as an athlete. I'll never you know,
shoot on anybody for celebrating. I just didn't like that

(49:43):
he you know, shot at Spratley essentially, uh after pinning him.
But besides that, I was good with him celebrating. I know,
I care less.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
I was watching it, so I I had seen already
at that point the celebration on on Twitter, I think
it was, And I put the duel on just because
I wanted to watch the duel. But at the same time,
like my in laws are there, My brother in law
and sister in law were there, their kids were there,
and like they're all running around playing, but like this

(50:17):
is the only thing on TV at the time, So
we were watching that and I knew it was gonna happen.
I knew it was coming up, and everybody was kind
of just sitting there watching, and as soon as it happened,
like the whole room is like, oh my god, what
the hell did he just do? Like what was that?
And I was like, yeah, no, it shouldn't. You shouldn't
have done that, you know, And like here's the thing,

(50:39):
Like it's all good to get people talking and whatever,
but like there's good talk and there's bad talk. Like
nobody who watched that, who like liked that at all?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
I think there is. I don't like that kid anymore.
Like that was that I stopped myself from swearing, But Jesus,
that was That was wherever the line is, Like you
know what else I think they shouldn't be allowed to do,
like pretend to slip their throat or like scalp them.
You know, Like there's just like things that are messed
up and that's them. Yeah, like yeah, didn't somebody do

(51:15):
that talking beam in the NFL? Or Yeah, there's just
things where we're like, you know what, one of my
Buddies said this the other day, and I think it's
a really good just quote in general. But if you
have to like think of whether or not this is
a good idea, it's probably a bad one, you know,

(51:38):
And that was a bad idea. And like celebration aside, right,
Like celebrating I'm generally down for and I understand that
like being at Gallagher IBA and everything and then having
that moment where you get that big pain and against
the guy who was rank third in the country. I
think at the time, like that's a big deal for
you in your career. Have the presence of mind to

(52:02):
maybe choose a different celebration, is my thought. And hopefully
maybe he will in the future, and you know, or
maybe he'll just do double oozi's next time. I don't know,
but like, let's I hope, I hope there's.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
A scenes it's hard to control going everywhere.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Yeah, just double barreled shotguns and that also I would
probably frown upon, but like just I don't know, I
didn't it was tasteless in my mind.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
I'm all for celebrating wins, especially you know, a big
upset simulating murdering somebody probably not a good look, I understand.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
You know. Oh the Cowboys do the the pistol fingers. Yeah,
that's great, that's what their mascot does. But they're not
real cowboys.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah shooters, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah, it wouldn't be a little personal knowledge and reflection
from him would probably be good. I'm gonna leave that
at that, but.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Just you know, be better, like, find a better way
to celebrate. It's a great win. Don't cheapen it by
doing dumb shit.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah, because instead of I mean, instead of us talking
about how you pin the number three kid in the country,
you were talking about your celebration and was it over
the line or not? There there hasn't been a conversation
of how well you wrestled at all around this match.
You you pulled off a huge upset, one of the
upsets that I'm sure at the end of the year
will be on a list of biggest upsets of the year.

(53:32):
And no one's talking about the match.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
And your name is Jack. Why aren't you lying around? Yeah, Like,
there's so many options of.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
That name, so so many options as in your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Part of me feels like we're the old man yelling
at the clouds. But yeah, I think we're all on
the right track with that. It's just you can't do
that directly add an opponent. You know, if you go
up and you guys in the pat Iowa guys used
to do the break, I broke your thing, it's obviously different. Right,
You're not you're not trying to murder pretend to murder somebody.
But unless you.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Grab his arm and do that, unless you unless you
cartwheel into a camora.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Yeah, that was amazing that that happened.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Can we just put there?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah, I don't think any of us are the act
like you've been there kind of guy. I'm certainly not
that guy because I've never been there. I've never been
in this position. Right now, I'm going to celebrate. I'm
going to celebrate the fact that I that this just
hands right. Like you don't have to celebrate the fact,
frank like just say you're no, like I'm going to.

(54:38):
I'm going to celebrate it. That's what I'm going to do,
right and and I have I will never tell somebody
that they can't celebrate split and double birds too far
from me. But now now we're getting road runners with it.
But I mean, I mean, I don't know, you want

(55:03):
to celebrate and guhad and celebrate, Like I said, The
thing for me is we we can't all be excited
to see Sasso recover from a gunshot wound and then
be like, yeah, but that's okay, like he didn't actually
have a gun, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Like so, and then and.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
On top of that, we've seen the fact that he
didn't lose a team point was surprising.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah, wild, it's wild surprising to me.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
You lose a team point for throwing headgear down, but
you can you can fake shoot somebody. That's cool.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Yeah, Yeah, that was That's tough. That needed to be
a team point. I'm sure.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Also generally he's a really good ref too, and that
I would expect him to do that.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
I can assume he just didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I don't think. I don't think he saw the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yeah, I think that's fair because he was behind him.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, I don't think he saw the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
But there's there's I'm sure a conversation with you know,
the reffing you know, body or powers that be that
are like, dude, that that can't ever happen again.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Yeah, it was a pretty big weekend for them having
conversations about shittiness. But that's a whole other conversation too.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Yeah, a lot to cover, that lot to cover, so much,
so much to cover. We haven't even talked about the
wrestling yet. Let's let's there was wrestling that got on,
went on, Let's talk about it. Penn State Nebraska was
a lot of fun to watch Ridge love it is

(56:26):
a gangster man. Uh and and the fact that he
pulls off a major against Van Ness, who honestly looked
unstoppable this year.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Very impressed by that entire match.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Even directly said last week when we talked, somebody was
saying that he would get a major and we both said.

Speaker 8 (56:48):
No, no, you like, I don't know about that, but
we we did say that if because Penn State has
shut out a ton of teams, they only law one
match in everybody, you know, in any of the duels
where they've given up any points, it's only been one
match that they've lost.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Is the first duel where they've where they lost multiple
and it was only two matches, right, Like, so that
definitely did happen, but like it also did truly assert
Penn State's dominance as well. Right they they go from
taking nine out of ten matches or ten out of
ten matches to taking eight out of ten matches. It's

(57:29):
there's still just like head and shoulders above everyone. But
certainly a hat tip to Nebraska for filling that stadium,
filling their their you know, their gym and their arena,
getting the fans out, having you know, first class fan
support and a first class atmosphere for a big duel, right,

(57:50):
and and that was that was an amazing.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Part as well.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
You know, they had seats that were right on the floor,
they had an elevated stage, like you know, that was awesome.
That was really cool. And it's what you should do
when you are bringing in the number one team in
the country, when you are bringing in a big marquee team,
treat it like a super Bowl because it is right
you have the number one team in the country in
in your gym, make sure that you put on a showcase.

(58:15):
When they gave out hats, which were pretty.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Cool and pretty jealous.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Brian Snyder, But yeah, like it was, it was pretty cool.
It was pretty cool to see what were your takeaways
who impressed you the most too? You know, what were
you impressed by during during the Nebraska Penn State tool So.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
Two things quickly before I talk about the actual wrestling. One,
nobody got me one of those Herbie beanies and I'm
pretty pissed. So, Brian Snyder, you scare me. So I'm
not actually gonna fight you, but I'm doctor Snyder. Yeah,
doctor Schnyder, not happy with you. The second part is
like I grew up between when I'm being Nebraska to

(58:54):
my parents. So I've been to a lot of Nebraska
duels and I've seen the growth of that program through
the years, and the effect that Manning has had on
that program and the growth of that program and the
fan base over the course of his ten years is fantastic.
When I used to go to duels, there was at
the coliseum, so the smaller venue that was on campus

(59:17):
was their volleyball gym. For a long time, Devanni used
to be their basketball arena. That they've built a new
one and they remodeled that into the volleyball and wrestling arena.
It's an awesome venue. They did a fantastic job remodeling that.
I was at the previous Record duel when Oklahoma State
came in. I think two thousand.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
And five and three thousand people or something like that.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Yeah, so it was double right, and that's just fantastic
that in that time span, you know, he's continually put
out such a good product and it's continued to grow
every year.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
So it's you know, kudos to.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
Him and that crew because Snyder's been there for a
very long time too, So it's just on that note,
they've done a great job.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Still not happy with you, doctor Sneider. I liked you
got finally got to see some Luke Lilidah hit a
quality opponent there in Caleb Smith, and you beat him.
He's an All American and I think he was in
control for most of that match. Lila Doll, you know,
had a few opportunities, couldn't quite capitalize, and you know,

(01:00:19):
again true freshman going up against a what sixt year
senior and you know, in his in his home gym,
and you know, he was up for the task. I
think Lildall kind of solidified himself as you know, one
of the top three, maybe top four guys in there,
and he might be on top of the podium come March.
You know, I think that dude's really good and just

(01:00:39):
watching that Ridge loved van Nest match. I mean, you
guys hit up before. It's like, how did that become
a major? And part of me thinks, you know, obviously
it's gonna be a close match come March, but I
feel like with some Penn State magic, van Ness might
win that one come March again. You know, I don't
think that's too crazy to say, because it was one
turn maybe two turns that kind of blew that match

(01:01:01):
up just one term. Yeah, yeah, I just think you
know that that could be Vanessa's match come March again,
because you know, just someone with with Penn State, and
you know, Friday and Saturdays in March they're just they're
they're they're different matches somehow. But yeah, I'm interested to
see that one again. We'll probably see a pig tens

(01:01:21):
honestly though, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Possible.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I'm gonna miss Ridge love it. I just watch, Oh dude,
think about all the matches we've gotten with him over
the years. I mean, he had a barn burner with
Gomez like three years ago, n cuaa finalist, and and
just you know, the joy that he brings to the
mat every time is super fun. Watching him kind of

(01:01:48):
get to soak in that crowd and get him pumped
up after the win. Was was pretty cool. So just
a big fan of his and and always appreciated his approach.
Was impressed with Van de getting that win over over
Braden Davis. I mean, that's a pretty big win for him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Well, and we've again we've seen him over the years
be able to get some big wins against quality opponents
and then sometimes he just dropped some other matches, right,
But that was that was a huge win for him,
and and you know, I'm sure Braden's gonna be getting
after it the next time. But but I did want
to make sure we shout out Tyler Kasak getting that
win too. I mean that Taylor is is so good

(01:02:34):
and kase Aks just kind of took it to him.
He controlled the pace of the match, he didn't ever
seem to really be in that much trouble, and I
just started thinking again in general one fifty seven, I'm like,
is he gonna win it all? Like I know, Japylo
has looked great at times this year, and and team
has been out for a while. Casecks looked good. That

(01:02:56):
was very impressed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Now after after that duel meet, obviously some shifting in
the rankings. Braden Davis is now the highest ranked wrestler
in Penn States lineup, and he's seventh. Everybody in their
lineup is top ten.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
What a slack ass, geez.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
It's like everybody in their lineup is top seven, I
should say, because everyone is seven and above. Lila Doll
is now six after beating Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
So everyone is ranked as an All American.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Everyone, everyone is ranked to make the podium in Penn
States lineup. And Robbie and I talked about it last week,
but I want Austin and Kevin to chime in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Is this the best Penn State lineup we've ever seen?

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Go ahead, Austin, I think there's an argument for it.
You know, like you said, seven guys, ten guys in
the top seven. You know you can get ten All Americans.
I mean my question is, you know how many champs
are they going to have? You know that one year
they had what they have five?

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
One year, I forget it, four they put five in
the finals.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Yeah that it was? Yeah, so five finalists, four champs?
Is that gonna happen again?

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
They've yet to match Oklahoma State, who had who had five?

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
So again it's it depends we considered best. You know,
what do you way champions champions more? Do you weigh
all Americans more? You know, team scoring? They might break
their own a record. Again, these guys are that they're
out there for blood, and so if I have to pick,
I'm gonna say no, not yet, but I think next year,
the year after that, they're gonna be in that conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Who is it Minnesota that had ten out of ten
all Americans?

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
No champs though, right right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah they were champs, yeah, but they were team champs
with that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Yeah, also the champs in my heart that year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Kevin, your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
I wanted to shout out bo Bartlett before I forget.
I was just looking through the rankings and I was like, oh, yeah,
that match with Hardy was awesome to what eight seven?

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
He won it on in like two less seconds of
writing time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Right right, Well, and then it would have gone to overtime
at least, but.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
It would have gone overtime, yes, but yeah, like the
off the clock is what helps make it happen.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Yeah, no, he shout out to him real quick before
I forgot. But it's funny. So I literally last week
I think it was Monday. I had to record just
with travel schedule and everything, and and I just did
it by myself because I was just timing and schedule wise.
I recorded Blood round by myself and that's how I started.
It was like, I think this is the best team.

(01:05:32):
I think this is better than last year. And I
think that you know, sure, you're you're missing out on
a guy like Aaron Brooks, you know from from their
team score potential. But I think realistically, if you just
supplant his team score with that of Mitchell Messon Brink
this year, I think Besson Brink's gonna outscore him at

(01:05:53):
the tournament. You also have to look at the fact
that kirk Fleet is now going to have a steeper
hill to climb to get another championship.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
But you got to beat Tremble.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Yeah, yes, exactly, Yeah, and you know he'll be He'll
be on one side of the bracket. He might actually
end up being on the same side of the bracket
because I don't think Hendrickson or Stevesoner or Kirkfleet are
going to wrestle chug. There just Penn State State this year. Yes,
they do okay, well, at least those guys are to
each other.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
They wrestled Michigan or Minnesota as well right.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Now, No, they don't know, they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I remember looking this up somewhere, but I don't. Yeah,
Minnesota and Penn State, I don't think wrestle one another
during the regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
So they don't like him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
They don't wrestle Oklahoma State either.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Okay, so so there we go. So those guys likely
are going to go into the tournament. Yeah, you'll probably
have Kirkfleet as a three seed. I yeah, they wouldn't
be on the same side. Will likely Kirkfeet is the
three seed Feldman with a Hollo State though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah, Feldman's the only the only like top heavyweight, well yeah,
top heavyweight that he would say, I mean Keeter. He'll
also see Keeter Yara next week and Ya next week.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
So rough run.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Well, let's assume he wins those the same, right, he's
favor will likely be in the finals at NC double
A's but point being for team score wise a little tougher.
But then you've got Josh Barr, who's looked awesome this year. Obviously,
Starachi's doing his thing. Haynes, I assume is is a
top I mean he's he's one of the two guys

(01:07:37):
I would pick it uh at one seventy four maybe amity,
depending on you know, a tool and everyone's health or whatever.
But like, these guys are likely going to out perform
what they did last year, and I if you think
about it that way, then you think maybe they'll probably
outscore on the points or on the scoreboard. Two.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
So well, that's that was the other thing we talked
about is could they break their point scoring record? And
shout out to our man, slap Matt. If you go
look at last week's show, he has two comments. He
commented three times, but the two comments break down all
the scoring, like all the scoring. He goes full nerd
out on it, and I love it so appreciate him

(01:08:18):
for doing that. The other guy told us that we
need to wrap this shit up and we could have
made the entire show in twenty five minutes, which time
stamps are there. So if you want to skip around
all the nonsense and things we talk on all their topics,
then you're happy to, you know, go ahead and do that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
But well, if we didn't go to the show, if
we didn't go on find these tangents, we wouldn't have
found out that we were all at the same place
in twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Very true, very very true.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
I have a story to tell you about that tournament
of off cameeron.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Oh, very nice to do it, but he did do
the team score the scoring breakdown, so you can see,
like it is possible for them to break their scoring record. Literally,
I mean because if you look at last year, Braiden
Davis doesn't place and they broke the scoring record. You know,

(01:09:06):
so very possible for them to do that because I
don't see Braiden Davis not making the podium this year
with how he's wrestling. You know, he may have just
lost the Van Dee, but still very different, right, He's.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
A wild start to that match.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Yeah, he's a he's a top eight guy, and there
was a very wild start. I mean a Jonesy tilt
puts him out seven oh seven to one, So that's
the runner run of the points. But yeah, I mean,
it is possible, but definitely wanted to get your guys
take on that because we were not we're not all
together last week. We can pose that question what other

(01:09:44):
dual meats before we move on to what we have
coming up this week that we're excited about. What other
dual meats caught your guys I outside of Nebraska, Penn
State from last week, Robbie in the ACC well, a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Whole lot of of action the you see.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
The biggest one was staying for knocking off Arizona State
last year was a two point duel. This year came
down to the last match and came e. J. Parco
pulled off a big upset of Jesse Vasquez. The last
second takedown.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Was also in Unstoppable by the way, I did see
him in there, so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Look, we're bringing it all together. So that was a
big win.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
My biggest takeaways from this weekend ACC were just a
lot of shitty officiating that made me angry. So if
you have a free hour, if you want to go
back and wade through the Applican State Virginia Tech sixty
five and seventy four matches and not ram your head
into a wall, because it was atrocious.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
It was good luck. It was really really bad. What
did the coaches have to say about that?

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
I asked what explanations they were given? Uh, and it
was well, they didn't really tell us. They ran away
really fast after the dual. Yeah, not a lot of
positive comments from either side about the officiating on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Yeah, Alston in the e w A and IVY would
what went on last week that was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Noteworthy, honestly, not not a lot in the IVY. A
lot of teams were kind of off. Cornell had a
few guys at the cyclone open kind of had a
bunch of place winners there. One that caught my I
w A. Davy took out Lehigh. I'm not sure that
one last time that happened, but Lee High obviously a
little dinged up, not one hundred percent, but you know,

(01:11:34):
big win for a program like Navy and w A
actually has two divisions this year, the Patriot Division and
the Independence Division. So Navy those are terrible names coming
I didn't go better. I share stories, but terrible. Yeah,
but Army Navy could come down to division championship in
the middle of February, So keeping my eyes on that.

(01:11:56):
If Army does it on land and water, I think
it's it's at Army this year, so it's on land.
Army has but yeah, just you know, fun match every
year and a lot of bragging rights and might have
a little bit something to line this year, which might
be cool, So definitely looking forward to that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Do you have anything else in the Big Ten?

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Yeah? Well, I liked watching Iowa and Illinois. That was
a big duel and a couple of big matches in there.
Iowa getting the win over Lucas Bird was was a
pretty wild match. Parco over Canadon Webster as well. I
mean like they they won the big matches in this
gave Barnold and ed Edmund Ruth was a good one too.

(01:12:41):
Oh yeah, I forgot Leffman did beat Keeter in that one,
So that was that was pretty interesting. But h I
mean I was it looks good man, They're just top
to bottom really really good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I think that we see Gay Barnold for the rest
of the season, now, Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I think that was a good indicator.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
And I think I also saw the the lineup cards
for this weekend. A teamer is listed and Arnold is
the only one listed from what I had seen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
In their their dual for this weekend, so maybe maybe
we do see teamer.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
I mean, they do have Penn State next week, so
maybe this is a way of Teamer testing it out,
because if they're going to compete with Penn State, next week,
which I mean, sorry to say it, but it's gonna
be really tough. He would have to get through this
one against Ohio State this week to truly figure that out.
And I mean, could you imagine if it was Sasso

(01:13:44):
versus Teamer this week at fifty seven? It'd be awesome
to watch because now that Patty Gallagher and Sasso switch places,
that is solidified for Ohio State and Teamer making his
return could be could be fun, pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Cool in Ohio I mean Iowa Penn State match next week.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
By the way, you will be there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I'm trying to get tickets. Yeah, if I can make
if I can make it work, I'll be there. So
never been to one of those matches. Should be fun,
pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
That will be awesome. The only other one I watched,
I watched it an airport. It was Minnesota and Michigan.
That was a good duel. Michigan's obviously got some guys
out of the lineup that we thought would be there
at this point and you know when when the two
teams matched up, but it was good. Bomb Bauer and
Lemley was a great match. Bomb Bawer got to win there,

(01:14:37):
Bou Mantonona and got a nice win over andrew Sparks,
Mcanoi and and Bullock went to overtime. Uh. And then
Cardinas just looks like a monster. Man. He took it
to to Salas aren't pretty good. And then Gables, Gable man,
he'd just been in there and pinned heindzelone. Yeah, to

(01:15:00):
solid cross face cradle.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
It's like wrestling in actual bear.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Just a lots of tattoos, lots of tattoos. Yeah, he
got he had a lot of tattoos in a hurry.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Yeah, been there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
It happens.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
It does it certainly does. I've got a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
What are what are we excited for this week? Kevin
continued to keep it going in the Big Ten.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Yeah, So, I mean, you know, we're talking about Penn State.
I think it's I'm excited just to keep watching Penn
State just because they're really, really good. And I we
just talked about the fact that they're one of the
best teams I've ever seen. That's what I said to
my family the other day when I eventually threw on
one of their duels as well, I was like, this
is the best team I've ever seen. Top to bottom.

(01:15:50):
Every one of their guys. Again, I don't really care
at the end of the year if they break their
own record, I'm still gonna go down and saying, like,
talent wise, this is just an unbelievable thing to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Yeah, and it is kind of relative to the competition
though too.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
Yeah. Yeah, but Hawkeyes and the buck Eyes, the Battle
of the Eyes, it's gonna be pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Don't don't get an eye hoped out. Yeah, that should
be fun. Yeah, I'm looking forward to Nebraska Michigan. That
should be a fun one.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
It obviously sucks that there are some injuries in Michigan's lineup,
but still be fun Nebraska. You know, I remember last
year when Michigan, who didn't Michigan beat Michigan.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Michigan beat Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Iowa, and then the next and then the following week,
Nebraska was like, that was cool, We're going to do
that to you and just like shut them out in
the first half of the the first half of the duel.
So I think that one could be really cool to watch.
So yeah, that's the one that is on my radar

(01:16:58):
to see this week, and I think that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I think that's yeah, until next week. Robbie what's happened
in the ACC.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
Two big ones to Watch's see Virginia Tech at Duke.
Shouldn't see anything new lineup return wise that match. Pitt
will be down at NC State. That'll be a pretty
fun duel. Upper weights will have some really good matchups,
and then Virginia is out traveling to Stanford. They should

(01:17:30):
hopefully be back to full strength this week. Hunter Garvin
Nick Hamblin's gonna be a really fun match if that happens.
There's some sneaky good matches in that one. Guys pretty
close and that are gonna determine a lot of the
results at the ACC tournament as far as team score goes.
Kind of backside matches to watch and we'll have a

(01:17:50):
big impact on. So that'll be a fun one to
keep an eye on. That once on Sunday, and the
other two are on Friday. North Carolina's hosting the North
Carolina Tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Not sure what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
I feel like that's kind of like the Cyclone Open,
isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
As of right now, only the starting lineup is listed
for North Carolina, so nobody else is listed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Not sure what's what's going on there. It's open practice.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Yeah, ah. The smart guys are gonna punch each other
in the face this weekend, right, We getting some E
w A and IVY League action.

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
Yeah, and there's punched some better names for the conference divisions.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
I'll see what I can do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I say, I think we know a guy that probably
is in some of those meetings.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Right, I might know someone? Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,
w A Wise Jaxel Ryder. It's you know, not great uh,
you know, not top tier level wrestling, but nice little
rivalry that they have. They've had it for a while
between coach Taylor and coach Childs, who have combined for
like over eight hundred wins or something crazy like that.

(01:18:57):
So nice little rivalry there. Match Saturday, I think that's
at Ryder. Surprise. Claunchton mentioned the Chippawall Challenge this weekend.
My god, what's wrong on Sunday?

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
That is this weekend? Yeah, yeah, I'm so pumped for that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Yeah, that'll be a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Fire up Chips.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
It was two years ago American won every duel by
like one point. It was great, crazy matches. So that's
usually fun to watch. And cal State Bakersfield to be there,
so we'll get to see a little bit more of
a fast man race car emoji guy. So it should
be fun.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
It really should be restated that American literally won every
duel by a point.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Yeah, and won the whole thing a three point spread.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
Yeah, it was it was wild. Yeah. Central won the
first one, American won the second one. Campbell won last year.
I think I think Central was winning again this year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
The only other one that I'm going to be watching
is Oklahoma State, you and I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
That should be a lot of fun, some very fiery coaches.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
I would love to see Gilman and Schwab maybe throw
on a single and go out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
And I would pay a lot of money to watch that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
I would.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Yeah, we're so in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
An octagon than on a wrestling I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Certainly would love love to see those guys go at it.
I think it would be pretty awesome. But now I
think it's gonna be a good duel, certainly watching that one.
You know, as I said, on top of the big ten,
the A, C, C, and the W A stuff that
we have going on.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Do you think any festive shirts on?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
I think I think his wife may have hit all
of them. But I'm hopeful. I mean, we can we
can only hope. We can only hope. For some it's
very festive schwab attire. Maybe we should call it festive
schwab schwag is what we'll go with it. That's that's

(01:20:57):
how we'll go out for this one. So, gentlemen, it
was good to have everybody back into the fold this week.
I think we'll be back next week after more action.
We've got some rivalry stuff next week Iowa and Penn State.
We'll talk about that and see what us kind of transpires.
And as always, leave some comments whether you want us

(01:21:21):
to wrap this shit up quickly in twenty five minutes,
or if you're slapped the mat and you want to
nerd out a little bit in the comments section, how
about it as well. But yeah, like subscribe all that
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