Intermat Podcast Steroid Rumors + Transfer Portal Craziness + NCAA Recap - IWP 3-27-25 - The InterMatWrestle Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Gentlemen, we are back and what's happened in wrestling Fans.
Internet Wrestling Podcast is back.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's been a little bit.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
We took a couple more extra days just to decompress
from the end of the wrestling season as well as
all the bullshit that has happened in what like three
days since the final whistle at NCAA's It was a
crazy season. It was in It was a pretty awesome
NCAA as the unthinkable happened at heavyweight, which we'll get into.

(00:30):
But before we even get into the wrestling, let's let's
talk some of some of the rumors. You know, we've
got a lot of stuff happening with people talking about steroids.
If you need any entertainment, go look at the Bo
Nickel Dylan Palasio conversation on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Unlet's see as you've blocked for making fun of how
he spells.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, ye, see, as you blocked.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
But then we also we also have the transfer portal
going absolutely crazy. So let's let's start with the steroid
act usations in all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
And there's been a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Of really vocal people out there, not so much us
that is, that is the one thing that like we're
pretty you know, back off of things like that. I
I tend to be honestly, I try, I try. If
I if I was, I would not hide it one bit.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
You would know. You would certainly knows.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
You lose your hair.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, yeah, it does, right.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I honestly try not to get into those types of
controversies and stuff like that on Twitter. However, from looking
at all the things that are going on, it's really
funny how people are, like, he didn't say, like, if
we're gonna make accusations of recruiting violations, or we're gonna
make accusations of you know, this offer transfer portal this

(01:52):
or this accusation about steroids, then we should put names
out there.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Let's name names.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
But then in the same breath, we're allowing everyone else
to say, well, he's obviously insinuating Penn State. It's like, okay, well,
either he's naming names and he doesn't say a name
or whatever else, or he's truly insinuating Penn State and
we're all gonna come to that conclusion. That was the
funny thing for me, is like in the you know,

(02:18):
and Piles was the person that was doing this. To
be completely honest, he said he doesn't name any names,
like if you're gonna name so if you're gonna put
this out there, like name names. But then somebody else
said he was just Somebody tweeted and said he's just
taking his chance to take a shot at PSU, and
Piles quote tweeted it and said exactly. And I'm like,
wait a second, if he didn't say any names, and

(02:38):
how is he taking a shot at PSU? And I understand,
like I'm not naive, I can read between the lines
of things, but we can't talk out of both sides
of our mouths and says he needs.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
To name names.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
But then we're allowing insinuation on the other hand, no
matter how obvious we feel the insinuation is.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
So that was the crazy thing for me. And you know,
like I said, I try not.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
To get in the muck and in the mud on
all of these different situations, and just like read more
than I act on a lot of this stuff. I
try to just keep it even keel. But that was
one of the things, you know, as we're now sitting
here on the show where I'm like, again, we can't
talk out of both sides of our mountains on this either.
He's insinuating and we know who he's talking about, or

(03:25):
and he's taking a shot at Penn State, or he's
not naming names, so we shouldn't insinuate that he is
saying that somebody is on steroids.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
So that was the wild part for me.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
And then you know a lot of Penn State wrestlers
are getting defensive about it, and people are saying this,
and people are saying that. As I said, Bo Nickel
and Dylan Palatio going back and forth on Twitter, and
I mean, if not for nothing, it's entertaining to watch
these guys go back and forth and talk shit and

(03:57):
whatever else. Like I do think, bottom line that it
is reckless to make an insinuation like that.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
That's not something that you want to do.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I won't say that it's playing sour grapes, but I
will say that it is. It is just a reckless
statement to make without proof of all of these things happening.
So with that, I turned it over to you guys.
What were your thoughts on the interview? What are your
thoughts on everything that is swirling around Twitter? How do
you guys feel about the accusations and just everything that

(04:33):
is kind of going around right now.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Well, I don't even think that was the craziest part
of the interview. I think the you know, I was
in a coma a month ago.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, that was pretty wild that.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I mean so yeah, So as someone who's currently going
through some stuff like that, that's baffling to me. I'm
not even supposed to lift weights like I can't imagine
wrestling and CBA tournament right now.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
As far as it's the steroids go, I mean, people
are on steroids. It's not a secret. People get suspended
for it. We've had multiple athletes suspended for it in
the last couple of years. If you're familiar with the programs,
it's not super surprising. But to think that he wasn't

(05:21):
insinuating about the person who just came off the mat
with I think is kind of silly. I don't think
it was a random statement. Yeah, his thought process was scattered,
so maybe maybe it was, but it's it certainly seemed targeted,
and the immediate jump to defense by all the Penn
State guys is interesting.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, and I will I will pause and go back.
We are having drinks tonight. We will explain a little
bit more why we were all drinking whiskey out of
fancy glasses and fancy cups.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
And this.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
And a thermos.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I don't have face, but you know if you.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Do see the the brown colored drink in any of
the glasses or whatever. Yes, we are having a bit
of whiskey. And we will tell you guys why towards
the end of the show. But yeah, I do think
that it is naive to think that no one is
on any performance enhancer, right, I think that's the thing
is like the wildest part about this not wildest, but

(06:26):
like the funny part for me is how we have
separated pds and steroids, which which is like even even
you know, it's like really funny because we remember, I
mean most of us remember the steroid era of baseball.
Is like you know, you know you right, like Barry

(06:46):
Bonds is on steroids. This is the thing, like look
at the size of his head, like he's gotten this
big he's been on steroids.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
And then it changed to pds, which is just a
different term for steroids.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
But like I all somebody saying, you know, maybe it's
not maybe it's not just steroids, but it's a performance enhancer,
and it's like, well, I mean, you're you're you're splitting
hairs here, so performance.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Probably heavy duty anabolic steroids were we're adding a bunch
of bulk in a in a sport that needs weight
cutting and waiting exactly.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Everybody was, Yeah, everybody was steering into Well, none of
these none of these Penn State guys are absolutely jacked.
And it's like, you know that steroids just don't make
you into like the incredible hulk, right like that it's
not it's not what these things do. But I feel
like there's just like a lot of naivity about what

(07:42):
these people think these things do and how performance enhancing
drugs work and and what like, because everyone is going
to think steroids are going to turn if he is
insinuating that it was casic, that it's gonna turn casic
in to from a fifty seven pounder or into a
ninety seven pounder.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
And it's the guys that that it's not what all
of these things do.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
And you know, again, to even insinuate that he is
on steroids without any evidence, without any proof, it is
very reckless. And I don't I don't like that that happened, right,
but it happened, and now everybody's talking about it and
everyone is going to have their takes on it, but
like there's just been it's just been very interesting to

(08:27):
observe it from the outside and not want to jump
into the conversation Kevin Austin anything.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Austin competed D one, So I would like to understand
the process of like that's what you call it, yeah,
and how that works. I mean, like I imagine you
were tested weekly, you know, like how did this?

Speaker 5 (08:47):
How did these guys?

Speaker 4 (08:49):
You know?

Speaker 6 (08:50):
No, I mean I got tested. I got tested once
in college and I failed. It was ALLEGI I two kids.
I don't know what they test or allegedly two kids
that took it with me smoked weed the night before
and passed. So I don't know what they're if they're
testing for performance tanking drugs only, or if like they
don't even count weed at that point, you know what

(09:12):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
It is supposed to be randomized, you know, and I
don't know.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
And like, for instance, I coached at D two school
and Athletic Department was mandatory doing drug testing for people,
which I don't think lasted too long. But yeah, so
that like, so obviously different schools are different policies, but
are intensive. I don't think there's as much testing going
on as people would assume there is, either at least
not in my day.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Then maybe things changed.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Well, I wanted to get your opinion because I literally
just asked my buddy as well, and he texted back
and he said, I think every school would have a
certain number of athletes randomly tested and random across all sports.
So this school might have ten athletes tested, but they
could be from any sport. So essentially, he said, I

(09:59):
feel like two wrestlers in the seven years that he
was there, Like we're tested and again, and he's not
specifying if it was for one thing or another, but yeah,
it's just it. I don't know. I guess part of
me likes to think that there's a little bit more
controlled and consistency around that, But I don't know how

(10:23):
much that would cost, and you know, across the NCAA
and everything like that. I mean, it's not like that's
a for profit organization. They can't afford to, you know,
have compliance department that actually holds people accountable. They just
need to find what you're doing wrong and hold you accountable.
So anyway, but I don't know, I guess my point

(10:44):
is let me, let me be specific. I take everything
that Shapiro says with a grain of salt, and I
think that that's kind of fair at this point. And
you know, I certainly hope for nothing but the best
for him and his situation, whatever that might be. And
he's an incredible competitor, but you know, it is what

(11:08):
it is. I also think that you know, I've heard
allegations of other people or other programs taking performance enhancing
drugs too. I can say that those allegations have absolutely
had no effect on the Matt performance that I can tell,
and so Michan state these allegations did not come from

(11:32):
from Michigan. That I that I will declare. But no,
all I know is that you know, it is what
it is. It's a sport that's not based entirely on
physical strength. I mean, so much of this sport and
the reason, like we can go back and forth and
all over up and down. Everybody talks about the sport,

(11:52):
talks about how much of it is mental in between
the ears and technique and all those other pieces, and
that the truth, you know, that's that's why we talk
about it and love it.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
And so yeah, yeah, I mean testing testing is expensive.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
It is.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
It is not easy to do, and I will the
experience that I had with NCAA testing, and I was
never tested in college and I played Division three football. However,
when you when you make the playoffs, so I can
remember when when I was in college and we made
the playoffs and we had I played with guys that

(12:31):
were on steroids and they were taking them all year.
Because it's Division three, nobody's paying attention until the ESPN
cameras are around, and that's when the NCAA has you know,
the integrity of the sport. And when that happened was
when certain teammates of mine were drinking a hell of
a lot of cranberry juice and water and you know,

(12:54):
like carrying around gallons of it around campus. Because when
you hit the playoffs is when you you get tested.
And it as much as they say that it's random,
they're watching the game and they're like, that guy's having
a good game, to the point where our our kicker
who used to be a linebacker, absolutely killed a returner

(13:14):
and was tested that game.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
It is not.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
It is not random people, as much as they want
you to think that it is. But the statements are reckless.
I do not think that it is good to put
stuff like that out. I won't say that it's bad
for the sport. I think everybody loves to I think
when it when it comes to wrestling, everybody loves those phrases.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
This is good for the sport, this is bad for
the sport, like.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
This will grow the sport.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, Like, just just stop with those at this point, honestly.
And I say that because everybody's doing everything that they
can for the good of the sport, right like that.
Everybody wants the spotlight on on wrestling. Everybody wants, you know,
more more people talking about it. Hell, the amount of
media attention that this NCAA's has gotten, from Fox News

(14:04):
to Arielhwani to you know, you name, it.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Has been there.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
The Post was really excited about the tall girl with
the short guy.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, exactly, like everyone. Everyone was all over this NCAAAS.
And it showed in the ratings being what was it,
seventy six seventy two percent higher year over year on
the finals night. So things are are are happening in
the sport, and there's more parody and it's and it's
awesome and I love it.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Honestly, Yeah, people all work.

Speaker 6 (14:39):
I don't like talk to all that often saying hey
did you see the rest of this weekend, And it's
like you were a fan it was. I tuned in,
I heard about I heard about the Olympic guy, and
I saw the upset.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
It was really awesome. I was like, yeah, I was there.

Speaker 6 (14:51):
It was freaking electric, you know, and just started talking
to some people like that man, start watching more, you know,
let's see if that see if that works for you.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I don't know, and I think, you know, there's a
lot of and I get I get wrapped up in
it too, where I'm listening to Rock or I'm listening
to to Sean and Rock does it more where he
talks to the brand new fan when he's doing commentary,
and I'm like, we don't have that many of them.
But I feel like that was This year is probably

(15:18):
an outlier year where we had the storylines, we had
the build up, we had all the fanfare. You know, Robbie,
I think that your your tweet about, you know, whether
not being political or not, but like Trump being there,
it did turn things into maybe something that you wanted
or something that you hated, right, But it turned you
into watching the wrestling. So no matter how you do vote,

(15:44):
him being there did put more eyes on the tournament.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
It just did.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Can I Can I clarify my point because always no,
I was called all sorts of fun things.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Oh yeah, sorts of fun things.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
You you invited Boogeyman in in ther In on that one.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
So my my whole contention, and what we were told
initially was that it wasn't going to have as much fanfair.
He wasn't going to interact with the wrestlers. So my
my contention was I would like to have seen him
in a suite kind of like they had at the
Super Bowl. So he's there, still gets the attention, still
gets to watch, but the focus remains of the wrestlers,

(16:23):
and that's you know, that was that was the point
I was trying to make. But you know, I'm a
lib hard cock all sorts of fun things because I had.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Because you wanted to focus on the wrestlers.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, focus on those those twenty wrestlers who have worked
their ass off for the last twenty two years. What
an asshole I am.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
I'd like to understand how you get from from that
tweet to cock.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
You know, I said a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
It's long and road.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, no, that's pretty much a straight line there.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
It is very and I think so with I had
the chance to have dinner with a guy that was
supposed to be in the suite with him in Tulsa,
and the guy that I was having dinner with this
was this was months and months and months ago, maybe
it's actually over a year ago. At this point, had

(17:19):
said that the plan in Tulsa was for Trump to
walk in and do you know, wave and everything else,
and then sit Matt's side where he sat in Tulsa
for like one or two matches, and then head up
to a suite. But after seeing and obviously at this

(17:41):
point it's campaign trail and everything else, seeing the fanfare
and seeing how he got attention after literally every match,
he wanted to stay in the seats that he was in,
so and they were like, hey, you know, with the
security of moving him and everything else, we're gonna keep
him here. So I feel like that set the precedent
of where he was going to be in Philly, and
that's what changed everything. The only I mean, what I

(18:05):
didn't like about his entrance is because they you know,
being at home and watching they cut off Carter Starachi's interview.
It's the first five time champ ever and they literally
just like cut the audio and it was just bad timing, right.
I don't put that on anybody but ESPN that did that,
and who knows, maybe he was told not to go
and he was like.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
No, I'm going.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
I don't know, But the only onus I could really
put it on is ESPN for cutting to that instead
of allowing Carter to have his his moment that he
rightfully deserved. I don't think that it affected Carter at all.
I think it was more of a me and other
fans that were like, what the hell we wanted to
hear from our only five time champ? We don't want

(18:46):
you know, the one and only that he's probably going
to be the only person ever that is ever going
to accomplish that feet So cutting cutting him off is
for me what sucked.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Since they they chose to start the night at eighty four.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
Exactly and then they cut an interview off like what
what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
And with the explanation that we got, it was about
giving him his flowers right and giving them the lead
up and giving them the platform. So that was completely
antithetical of them doing that. So yeah, that's a production
issue exactly exactly. So I mean, like I said, either,

(19:24):
no matter how you feel about the political side of it,
sports sports have been political forever. I just feel like
now it's even more so in your face because there's
even more overlap into a lot of these things. And obviously,
with Mark Wayne Mullen and Jim Jordan being people that
are of the wrestling community, you're going to get that
as well. So I don't I don't really care whether

(19:49):
Trump is there or not. I will say that it
did bring more eyes to the tournament and everything else,
But I just didn't like that they cut off Carter's
interview to turn to that. But that's more that's not
a I hate Trump thing that So what the hell
are you doing?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Production wise?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
You guys should have all should have had all this
shit sorted out beforehand so that you knew what the
timing was. As somebody who has been in production meetings
quite a bit, I know that you can time those
things out and plan them a hell of a lot
better than that.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
I would say after the fact, it's opened up a
lot of avenues of coverage that haven't previously been here.
Having guys interviewed on Fox, having guys, you know, on
channels they wouldn't otherwise normally be featured on. So I mean,
more eyeballs is always good, and if we grab some
some new fans because of it, fantastic, But my point

(20:42):
always remains the same, Like I want to focus on
the guys in the middle of the matt that's I
would rather see them celebrate with their their coaches and
their teammates and their families than anybody.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
Yeah, because that's that's who they've gone through it with.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
The people that have been there should be the ones
that they want to run to and celebrate with. And
you know, you can worry about the rest of that
stuff later.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Right away from by Quinn, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
To ask pressing questions about equestrians, Yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Gonna stay away from the tall yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
We moved from that to the transfer portal before we
even get to the wrestling. I know, transfer portal right
now is a hot it is. It has been the
most boring transfer portal ever. Like I wish I could
have these the last three and a half days back
because like nothing has happened teams are going to look

(21:38):
so much different next year. Robbie needs a refill on
the whiskey. Teams are going to look so much different
next year. With just the amount of guys that entered
the transfer portal today, the amount of people that came
out and said new update, new update, new update, it

(22:00):
was it was like a stock ticker. It was ridiculous
how many people were going into the transfer portal.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
So it was certainly fascinating. See we got a really
cool glass there. Look at that. Yeah, but that's that's
that's Virginia.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Well bald, Like, it's not Moonshine, it's a Franklin County
action in here.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Moonshiner's awesome show, by the way, I used to love
watching that. But the transfer portal, seriously, it has been
a revolving door. Every single hour we were getting a
new update and a new top level guy that was
back in the transfer portal or in the transport for
the first time.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Right, so we're back for that matter.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Again, or back who was who was a guy or
guys that you guys were not expecting to end up
in the transfer portal in the last what three three
four days?

Speaker 5 (23:00):
Shoran Williams the two Little Rock guys for my answers. Yeah, yeah,
and Williams.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
That one kind of hurt me, to be completely honest,
kind of hurt a little bit a little bit because
it was like after.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
And and Kevin can attest to this. We were in the.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
You know, in those tunnels last year when Nasir Bailey
and Steven Little were doing as well as they were,
and heard so much talk about I wonder where those
guys are gonna be at next year. Somebody's gonna definitely
be throwing a bag at them. And they stayed and
it gave me so much faith of what they were.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Creating in in Arkansas. And then this year.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Just like gone so but yeah, but give me give
me some other guys. I'm gonna stop talking and talking
a lot. What are what are some of.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
The you're not supposed to do that, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Supposed to do that.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I'm I'm a little I'm a little excited about all
the things that have been happening.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Give me, give me some of the guys. What have
you guys seen who have you guys been.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Kind of shocked by or head scratched when you saw
them enter the transferport.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
The one that stood out to me was Lachlan.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, and it makes sense because he's looking for RTC
opportunities and those aren't as as abundant right now in
Chapel Hill as he would like, and he doesn't have
the training partners that he would like freestyle wise, So
I wasn't expecting that, but I'm not, you know, looking
at it now, it's not super surprising. I certainly wasn't

(24:32):
expecting it because he's got a great relationship with Tony,
He's had a lot of success there. So yeah, it's
certainly not one that off the top of my head
that would have been on my list of guys I
would expect. But you know, he's looking for a better
opportunity for himself in the next phase, So that one,
I guess makes sense to me.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
That one was shocking to me, just just to bounce
off that one too, And everything you said makes sense.
Where where I'm surprised is and I was kind of
looking at the results in the in the tournament and
the brackets and everything, and I was like, there's not
like a loss in here that's super shocking, you know

(25:15):
what I mean, Like he's he beat most of the
guys he was supposed to beat he lost to some
of the guys that he, you know, on paper, was
supposed to lose to. So I don't know, man, that one,
that one really surprised me. If it is truly our
OURTC based, then it makes sense. There's other RTCs out

(25:38):
there that maybe maybe have a more international approach, we'll say, right, uh,
but I don't know, there was there was a lot
of guys. The biggest thing that that didn't surprise me.
There's a lot of guys on teams who essentially are
just in like bulk situations where they're like kind of screwed,
you know, and so like, I totally get a Fecundo

(26:01):
making a change, you know, even at Swadurski making a change,
I get you know, like that that kind of makes sense.
There's a lot of guys around that weight, especially with
with Paniro dropping down and you know whatever Ekamendia is
doing there. Well we'll kind of see how that turns out.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
But does he have more eligibility?

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's like forty.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I mean if I'm thirty nine, then he's not forty.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
He might also he might also get a medical this
year for for whatever happened it's right. I don't think
it's out of the cards. Honestly.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
The ones that are that are surprising too. It's like,
you know, a Cody Chittam, like, dude, you were in
the lineup, you were the guy, you just didn't do it, Like,
I don't know, I don't know what else to. It's
not like he doesn't have good coaches around his weight, right,
Like it's exactly what he has with Metcalf, Metcalf and

(27:02):
Saint John. Yeah, like, dude, what do you want? Where
are you going to go? So I don't know. I
guess I answered my own question to myself out loud
as I talked through it.

Speaker 6 (27:14):
Yeah, and then kind of piggyback off Claunch's point. A
lot of these guys, some of them are like, yeah,
makes sense. You know they're up during in a tough spot, okay.
And some of these guys I look at and you know,
they're round to twelve, round of sixteen guys, and are
they leaving because they feel like they can't get it
done where it's like, hey, one one takedown could change

(27:35):
your season and you're on the podium, or you know,
one stall call goes another way, Like you guys are
freaking close being around a twelve being around a sixteen guy,
you know, So I I think a lot of it
has to do with maybe nil money.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
You know.

Speaker 6 (27:48):
It's like, hey, I'm not getting what I want to
get paid here. I'm not a superstar, but I can
make more going here and get also better workout partners
being the lineup as well. So I'm just curious how
much of a factor that hasn't it and I wasn't
a thing, how many of these guys would still be
what would be in the transfer portal?

Speaker 5 (28:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
The thing I'm worried about is that every year, for
every generation, I should say, right, like, looks at the
next generation is like, you know, those those people are
weaker than we were. Right, it's video games riding their
brain or it's that's the reason they're not mentally tough.
It's just that's how old people work. Like we heard

(28:27):
it when we were kids. We were told that. Now
we're going to say it to them.

Speaker 7 (28:31):
But it's it's just really tough to sit there and
be like, isn't so much of this sport like the
fighting through the adversity?

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Right? Like, think about and and maybe it's different when
you go to a Northwestern you know, and and but
you got a Trevor Chumbley who sat there behind Ryan
Deacon for years and years and years and battled and
battled and battled and was fighting in the Big ten
and was you know, needed an at large just to
get into the the tournament this year and then goes
out there in places fourth, I don't know, and fair,

(29:08):
but at least, uh, you know, Hippo's got another couple
of years left, right, and and he won't run into
Chumbley again. That's good.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
So you know, talk about steroids.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
That dude's huge, by the way, he's just.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, speaking of steroids, Trevor Tumblely, huh no.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
But these are just these are just jokes where you're.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Not anyone reading the transcript is going to take all
this very But no, I mean like it's it's all
like I don't know, I just it's so hard to
sit here and be super excited about the value of
what you get from it while also watching people seemingly quit.

(29:57):
Now I understand too, that there's different situations, right, you know,
whether people's personal financial situations might be different from another, right,
And that makes sense. I saw a tweet out there,
which I retweeted from from Jacob Casper about like seeing
what your market value is, and I don't necessarily disagree
with that. I also think that there's probably a better

(30:17):
way than necessarily publicly throwing yourself into the portal. All
of this becomes real public, real fast, you know, whether
regardless of who has direct access to it, it comes
out pretty much immediately, right. So I don't know, man,
I feel like the grass is greener on the other side.

(30:40):
Theory is certainly something that we've all heard, but I
think there's something to be said with having open dialogue
and conversations internally with your coaches and your staff about
understanding how to like you know, feed your garden at
the same time, right and figuring out what we need
to do, what the long term plan looks like. If
you're stuck behind somebody, I get it. You know. We

(31:02):
saw McGonagall make a change and he went out there
and what did he plays sixth fifth? Like, you know,
that was a good change for him. He needed to
make it. He wasn't going to have a chance otherwise.
Well I guess there this year t Yeah, it turns
out he would have. But you know, you know, hindsight's
twenty twenty. But you know, you get my point, Like,
it's a complicated, complex issue. It's not just one thing

(31:25):
versus another thing. It's not. It's just I can also
say that and say I don't like it. I hate it,
And I very much like the fact that there are
programs and teams out there. You think of your Army
West Point, your Navy's, your Princeton's, your Harvard's, there's these
programs that, like to their benefit, don't have to dick
around with this shit at all. They offer the best

(31:49):
product as far as like what they're going to graduate into.
They don't have to deal with it. People aren't transferring
in there because they can't. It's a good situation to
be in.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
The Caveat to that though, is like if you look
at Columbia and look at the fact they had eleven
guys who were current or former Columbia wrestlers who were
in the tournament and they had to go in the
portal because that was their only option with with the
way it worked out with Ivy League and all that.
So there's certainly a time and place for it, and
there's a benefit to it. But like the mass exodus

(32:23):
that we're seeing from some super talented guys. It certainly
makes you question the bigger picture and you know, how
long are these these big, big money values going to
be up there that we here for transfers? You know,
is it is it sustainable at all even for another
year with the amount of money that some of these
guys are getting, especially as we shift to you know,

(32:44):
with revenue sharing and smaller rosters and having to shift
funding from rchcs to ANIL and like, there's so many
variables at play right now that it's it's hard to
feel like it's a comfortable time to test that market,
at least from my from my perspective.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
This is the window with which to test it. There's
still no rules, there's still no like guardrails that like
anyone's really paying attention to.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Like, yeah, next year, it gets it gets way tougher because.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
There's going to be Yeah, there's there's no more there's
no more national letter of intent. It's going to switch
to revshare, so you're you're not essentially signing a contract
for your scholarship and then signing to.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Go to that school and anything like.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It is most likely going to be one contract and
it will include your REV share, it will include your
your NIL, like all of these different things will be
wrapped into one.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
So if like they're going to have to hire a
lot more accountants.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
They're they're going to have to hire a lot more
of everything, because it's it's going to change a lot,
especially at the Michigan's or the Oklahoma States or the
Penn States where.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
They're big football schools. That's what you ultimately have to
worry about.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
Now.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I know, you know Campbell and Cleveland State, and you know,
these schools are trying to say we're that they're going
to opt into revshare, which is absolute bullshit. But you
have these really big schools that are going to be
diving into rev share when it comes to their football
teams and figuring out how to divvy up all this money.

(34:27):
And it is certainly going to be the schools that
are in the Big ten, the schools that are in
the SEC, even though you know, or in the Big
twelve or whatever else, Like we don't have an SEC
in wrestling, but there certainly are some schools that fall
that fall under that when it comes to sharing a conference.
So things are going to be changing on that money

(34:48):
side and claunch your right. This is the time to
figure that out because in the next year so it's
going to change, and it's going to change really really fast,
and you know, more guys are going to have those
conversations like Alires had where he, you know, literally said
I want to figure out what my market value is

(35:09):
and what kind of money I can get, right, So
like those but that was a completely different conversation than
he had with Troy Nickerson than all these other guys
are most likely having. Where Jordan Williams is posting a
thank you post right and and and I'm and I'm
leaving and no, sir Bailey, same thing.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
You know, it seems like a lot of doors are
slammed immediately, and it's not an option to stay.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
It's it's a it's a I appreciate everything you did,
I'm out of here kind of a thing now.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
So we're certainly going to see like what happens there.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I might send Chittham's data a text because I you know,
I'm kind of close with him and can be like, hey,
what's he looking for? Right, Like what's happening there? Because
I was surprised with that. But then you know, hearing
about t J. Stewart and and you know Fakeundo you
probably knew was Cummings Roderski.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Ago, Yeah, like you're exactly right on that.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I was very surprised that Facundo was still on Penn
State's roster after last year. But I feel like he
came in wanting to wrestle at Penn State and.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Was in the lineup at least one time, was an NTAA.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Qualifier, didn't pan out, and figured he could get back
into the lineup by dropping a weight class or two,
and it didn't pan out there either, So you got
to figure out where you're gonna end up going. Obviously
a lot of people are pointing towards Oklahoma State for
him to make that transition too, with David Taylor being
there and him being comfortable with it.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
But we'll certainly see. But no, I mean, it literally has.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Been so wild to see all these different guys jumping
into the transfer portal and ultimately leaving their school.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Not Bailey and Williams are leaving because they wanted a
better compliance department.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Maybe maybe maybe just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Not so surprising as aj Ferrari jumping into the transfer
portal because I was in that interview, he was definitely
putting it out there like, you know, I think I
like basically saying, I think I proved that I'm able
to behave guys like, look I've changed, I've changed like
every interview, like I've humbled myself.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I've done this like.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
It was a pitch in just about every interview, and
it was an interesting pitch every single.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
It was something.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
But he was letting people know like I'm here to wrestle,
and you know this that whatever my antics or this,
after a match, I'm going to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
But look, I'm behaving.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
There's no bad marks, and the coaches here will tell
you that I I did good while I was here.
That's what I was getting from Little Every time there
was a camera and a microphone on him is hey,
look I behaved, Look I can I can behave now right.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
You were much more short, short spoken than he was
his average interview that was like twenty three minutes.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
Yeah, but like my wife was cracking up with the
one where he goes, I wear organic underwear.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
I used bad God, it was so funny.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
You had that Bible verse and then some wrestling talk
and then it's entertaining.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
I'll give him that. You know, I was talking about
his Twitter beef and yeah, it was. It was a
good weekend for him.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
I think the wild shit, Okay, what about that is
that wasn't the first time I had heard that, you know,
regarding the organic about his underwear and the underwear. Yeah,
and the fact that that I had heard that secondhand
somewhere else means that he's telling as many.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Everyone got a plastic bottle.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
You're in a Michigan and I'm just like, dude, like, oh,
I guess this is better.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I saw him drinking out of a plastic bottle this weekend.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
That's a lie.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
That's me.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
He doesn't do it. I mean, maybe it wasn't his bottle, obviously,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Listen, that's what dayton Vic said too.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yes, he behaved, and you got to give him. You
gotta give them props for behaving. He certainly did.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
But I mean the transfer portal, it's gonna be fun
to see kind of where the thousands of or hundreds
of guys end up going. As I'm looking at you know,
a list that we got and at least and this isn't.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Even an updated list.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
You would literally need to get an updated list like
hour by hour to track of all the different guys
that are in the transferport right now.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
But it's going to be interesting.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I mean, sw Durski already announced he's going to be
at Oklahoma State, so we'll certainly see. We'll definitely see
where these guys end up. Christian Carroll can't wait to
see his third school where he where he decides to.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Go after going Jordan Williams for that matter too, Iowa
State Jordan Williams as well, So.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
We'll see sport.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
If you committed a Pen and Illinois right, Illinois, Penn
Oklahoma State, it's.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Not a commitment until you show up.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
I guess you're right, as we've learned.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, I mean Kirkly had had a couple We've said
that before. Kirkly had had pictures in every single singlet
in the Big Ten at some point, as well as
the Big twelve.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Uh, I mean, everybody likes free gear.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
It's fair, it's fair.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, I mean we do this. This stuff is really cool.
You go head over to CMP Sports.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Where if I knew how to photo shop, I'd just
start committing everywhere.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Uh, let's let's commit to talking about the wrestling, because
that was the important stuff that happened over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
And and.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I'm just gonna say the finals were boring. They were Oh.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
I think I'm out, I don't. I disagreed.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
They they they were.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
They were boring in the sense of we had six
matches with the first period was zero zero six of them.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Like I was. It was.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
It was such a relief when I saw brock Hardy
coming to the mat because he was going after everyone
that I literally said, we're getting points. We're getting first
period points in this match. I know we're getting first
period points in this match. But let's let's let's start,
you know, let's go in the same order that they
went into off the rip. I know people hated it

(41:47):
to start, it ended up being the right way to go. Essentially,
it was a good match. Carter wrestled very well. Parker
wrestled very well. That match did not disappoint whatsoever. Parker
wrestled insanely well against mcinelli as well. Like that match
was incredible.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
That's that's where I wanted to start. Is that the
semi finals.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, that semi final was crazy. Go ahead, keV, take
it away, you got you got some stuff.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Well, just it was. It was a wild match, and like,
there are very few instances where I'm sitting there watching
wrestling with my wife, and this was one of those instances.
And you know, I remember I think it might have
been at the end of the third or early in overtime. No,
it wasn't overtime. We're watching it and she's going, what's happening,

(42:36):
Who's who's getting this? Like what's going on? And I'm
just like, I'm like, I don't know. We have to
watch it pan out, like shut nobody was winning yet,
it's not even like sixty forty. I don't know what's happening.
And that's what makes it beautiful, you know what I mean,
Like it was just it was awesome to see mcinelly's

(42:59):
gonna be such a force moving forward. You know, yeah
he stays at if he bumps up to one ninety seven,
and you know what, it'll be interesting to see, Like
I know, I'm moving forward a little bit, but it'll
be interesting to see if bar stays at one ninety
seven or if he drops down and we we get
the neurosola twins kind of sliding in there. But I'm

(43:21):
just I'm looking forward to the future. Man, I hate
to just cast off Starachi and Ketch guys in this quickly,
but I'm man, that was that was exciting. We're good hands, yes, yes,
but but no, I mean like, and I saw a
picture today. I think it was on on Carter's Instagram
as I was kind of, you know, flipping through you

(43:42):
know he did. I think the comment was like, you know,
last name ever, first name greatest or whatever. We just
saw those pictures and it was the one where he's
he's got his straps down and he's looking over as
as Parker's got his hand up and he's there staring
at each other. That was badass.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
That was a cool quicture.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yeah, I highly recommend that this is not high level
like analysis of the match. I'm just talking about Instagram
and my wife. But regardless, I love both of those things.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
But it all it all comes in context.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
That's my take, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Anything Kecks is so hard to score on it's crazy,
like it doesn't make sense. And that like the finish
in the semi finals was like the the IQ. It
takes to feel that position and wrestle through that on
the edge like that and gain advantage from it is insane, like,

(44:46):
that's not the reaction that ninety nine percent of high
level wrestlers would have to get to that, and it's
it was so fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
I mean, obviously we all get the final we were expecting,
and Car winning five was obviously historical, and you know,
a lot of it was nice to see a guy
like Folk, you know, make the make the All American
podium again come away with fifth and DJ Washington eighth place.
I mean in the hospital that night, he was in
the hospital, like on was it Thursday night and came.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Here. It's incredible, man.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I admittedly I've made DJ Washington jokes that he is
a five time national qualifier and I think needed an
at large bit at four of them, you know, like
and never got it done. And I I swear to god,
I was kind of you know, I had I was
coaching wrestling over the weekend. I wasn't really watching as
much of it as that I would have liked to,

(45:44):
So I wasn't paying as much attention to the backside
as I was. Obviously the semi finals and finals more
of a front side guy, more of a front side guy. Yes, indeed,
that's that's what they call me, but no, it's it's uh,
it was just interesting. I'm watching I think it was
a Twitter post from Indiana like he got it done,

(46:05):
and I was like, huh crazy, And then I went
and I looked back and I was like, damn it.
He beat Edmund Ruth like Edmund kicked his ass earlier
this year. Yea, and in a way that I was like, well,
I guess that settles that, and nope, not what it mattered.
So hey, credit to DJ Man. I was happy for him.
He got it done. For a guy who started his

(46:28):
career by pinning Carter Starachi able to finish it off
with the podium, that's that's some pretty decent book ends.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I do want to go back to mcinelly because he
had a year where his only two losses came in
overtime against returning NSA final a five time champ, an
NCAA champ, and he ended up beating a finalist in

(47:00):
plot for third place.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Mm hmm, like to Takedowns in like thirty seconds too.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, way that kid is and I want to go back.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I'm going to go back and post some some clips
of my conversation with Egham from the beginning of the
year where he talks about mcinelli because the last two years,
and I've said this before, he has told me which
one of his guys was going to kind of shock
the bracket. Obviously, Wells didn't, didn't get it done, didn't

(47:32):
wrestle as well this year, no pun intended, but like
last year was a point away from from an All
America being an All American. But he he called his
shot man and he's like, these are the guys that
are going to be so good this year. And when
you have those interviews with coaches at the beginning of
the year, they all say that. But to see it

(47:55):
kind of come full circle and for his only two
losses to be against just like like history makers, like
guys that were just staples that were going to remember
for in history for so long. Those are his only
two losses in his red shirt freshman year. It is incredible,
and his only two losses in college so far, because
he was undefeated as a true freshman in his red

(48:16):
shirt year too. So like just very impressed by that kid.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
At eighty four after after he stopped recording, was he like, dude,
I've got a polar bear, like, this guy's a freak.
He's gonna rip arms off and beat people with It was.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
It was super interesting because the if I and I
gotta go back, I don't remember if I have the
conversation from last year saved.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
I know I have this year's, but it.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Was it was just like the same thing, just insert
Wells and insert mcinellly. But when he talked about mcinellly,
his eyes like lit up and was like, this kid,
he's this is the guy, right, Like, I think we're
in good hands with this guy. And he was just
like so excited to talk about him. And you know,

(49:06):
Eggham is normally pretty even keel, but he was just
like so incredibly excited and you and you're right. When
we stopped recording, he talked about him even longer. We
talked about excuse me. We talked about NCAA's coming to
Minnesota and being in in the Viking Citium. We talked
about all that kinds of stuff and you know, and
making sure that we stay in touch, which he did
the entire year. We get texts from Egham about different things,

(49:30):
but he talked about Max and was just so excited
for this kid to hit the mat and I mean
third place. You can't help but be happy about that
in your first year on the mask. So yeah, he
was super excited about.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
It, especially with the two finalists.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I mean yeah, like taking them both to overtime like.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
That that part in and of itself, And he shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Have been there in the first place, you know what
I mean, Like just with eligibility wise, they had extra years.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Exactly true.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
If there's no if there's no COVID, we potentially see
mcnelli in the finals.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Right Like if COVID happens in ninety eight, is Kale undefeated?
Nobody knows?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Point, nobody knows.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Probably yes it is.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
It is a good point because I remember when we
were talking about last week and there were people that
commented on the show, and it's funny. I obviously I
love going back and looking at comments, but there was
somebody like they they brought up who did you Who
did you bring up? Was it Isaah Martinez that you
brought up talking about, uh, who you thought would be

(50:43):
like undefeated? Kind of like, oh yeah, that was a
conversation And people were like.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
He brought up him instead of like Nickel or it's
like wait, a second.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
You got to remember, like Isaiah was undefeated early in
his sophore.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
He was undefeated his entire the entire season. So yeah, yes,
that's that's who we were talking about.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Like, and there's a duration period, there's a period where
you're like, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Like this could be a thing. So that was funny
to make it.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
We lost as a freshman, So I absolutely did not
exactly right.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
And even said the guy even said he was like Nike.
He was like, it wasn't Nickel that he brought up.
It wasn't it wasn't Brooks.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
That he brought up.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
It's like all these guys lost as freshman. Every single
one of them had losses as freshman. Nobody, none of
them finished their year undefeated as freshman national champions except
for Martinez, Like it didn't happen. So yes, that's why
we went back that far. And there were more questions
in there and more people making comments that I will
make sure to bring up as we get to the

(51:43):
different brackets and things like that. But let's let's move
to to one twenty five back to back. The top
two seeds go down in the quarters and it was
super unexpected and and I had people that were sending
me text messages like who's this Seymour kid? And uh

(52:05):
excuse me, Yeah, who's this Seymour kid? Like where did
he come from? And like I'm like, he's a two
time champ from PA like needed time to develop, right like,
and he's developing. They're like, no, well, what was the
match like when he wrestled him during the year, and
I'm like close for one right, like it was it
was hate down, that was it. So Austin, I'm gonna

(52:27):
go to you, what what were your thoughts of that match?
Any surprise, any shock or was it like you've been
watching Seymour all year and this is the trajectory that
you you had seen him on.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Well, I know he'd be you know, close to that podium.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
You know, round to twelve would be you know, round
sixteen would probably be his floor, and then run of
twelve and then you know, seventh, eighth, maybe sneaking fifth
and six. But yeah, after seeing him beat Caleb Smith
Thursday night too, you know decently pretty easy, I was like, Okay, yeah,
he's lil doll. Little doll has been looking really good.
Seymour had a close match with him. Anything happens here.

(53:06):
But you know, Lila Doll still freaking lil A Doll,
and Seymour got away from all the takedowns. You know,
I was in the back tunnel there after he won
and Lei staph. I think they use the word is
there a slimy or something to get out of, like
almost takedown and see if almost had on them, you know,
so little Doll was just on the leg a few
times and just couldn't finish. Seymore squirmed out of him

(53:28):
and beat him in tiebreakers. It was a great match
by Seymour and you know, and ended up being sixth place,
you know, awesome for him.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
And a lot of people don't know.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
He was Darren Cruise's training partner in Paris for the
Olympics this year, so just getting that kind of exposure
and you know, picking a guy like Darien and Cruise
his brain obviously helped.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
Sheldon Seymour go along the way here.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
So you know, doing doing some of those off season
things and you know, maybe not wrestling competitively sometimes that
does pay off in the end, you know.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
I think that's a good example there.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
He was one of those guys all year and yeah,
Penn State Lee high was early enough in the season
where I think Lilddall was probably ranked like sixteenth or
eighteenth at the time, and I think Seymour was ranked
like twentieth or twenty second at the time, so it
didn't seem like that big a match. Early. As the
season went on, they consistently remained, you know, really good,

(54:21):
winning a lot of matches, their rankings go up, and
then all of a sudden, there, yeah one in eight
at NCAA's and yeah, guy got it done in what
was a super close match to begin with, and obviously
made adjustments, improved throughout the year and was confident going
into the match. Very happy for him.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
On the other side of that is Vincent Robinson and
I'm gonna go to our ACC Homer. I mean, Robbie,
you must have been doing backflips and I told you
so is it.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
When it came to Vincent Robinson and.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Making not not only making the finals, but then ended
up winning in overtime, I was.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
So hoping that it was gonna be an all ACC
final and it was dangerous right there, It was right there.
I mean, I can't say enough about Vince. He wrestled
a fantastic tournament, He wasn't as you know, dynamically offensive
as we had seen him at points in the season,
but he wrestled smart the entire tournament. He controlled matches,

(55:27):
He controlled the mat I mean, he did everything he
needed to do and showed you know, a really high
wrestling IQ, especially in that final to get it done.
And he beat He beat Spratley much much bigger in
their duel, so he'd had a match against him. Spratley
had felt him before, not the match I was expecting
in the final, but I like the outcome.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I think that that was that was more so on
sprat Lee, that the match was like that because and
I think I think it.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Was he didn't shoot in that match or the match
before it.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Well, not so much of that, but I think I
think it was Austin that No, maybe not Austin. Somebody
somebody tweeted and I responded to it, and they had
said that spratt Lee is cautious of the reattack on
from from Vincent, from from Robinson, and I said, that's

(56:19):
because in their first match, he got his ass kicked
on reattack it. So he's not going to play that
game again.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
And it's the same reason he didn't attack Eddie yeah
in the semi.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yep because he I mean that that is certainly something
that Spratley leaves himself open to, is a reattack, because
there are times where.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
He will shoot a shot where he.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Commits on the first half not on the second half,
and he opens himself up to a reattack. And that
it was evident in the match with Vinnie in the
during the season and he was not going to go
down that road again, especially in the final. And you
saw that and that's why the match was as close
as it was.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
He's just get better at the re reattack.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Reattacks.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
You gotta worry about the re re reattack.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Reattacks were It's like a switch, you switch, reswitch re switch,
you know, that's just how.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 6 (57:20):
I think the craziest thing here though, is Robinson was
beat Thursday night by McAllen.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Yeah wow, dude, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (57:30):
To win that one and it's on to win like
just crazy, how this one was wild?

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (57:36):
Had him beat?

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Is Robinson transferring in the transfer portal if if he
loses that match, We'll never know.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
We'll see, we don't know.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
He might have entered since we started this anyway, I
think he unless anywhere.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yeah, unless him and Impact get into a fistfight, I
don't think he's going anywhere. The match I wanted to
in regulation, the match that I that was like wild
at this weight was when Peterson pin Figaroa and it

(58:16):
was the cradle that he used off of a name,
locking up a cradle and then rolling it through. I
meant to text Minutes when it happened, but I was like,
he's been working out with you too much, because Minutes
used to crazy.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
You saw him as soon as he got to that
it was he knew it was there and just.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Knew it, knew it, and it was just like I
and it was not even really locked that tight, like
the lock was really high.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
It was like on his shoulder, and he rolled.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
It through and ended up pinning him, and I just
was like, I can't believe what just happened that entire
sequence though, like before you even got there, I mean,
figure out getting the take down, Peterson, getting the reversal,
and then you know, locking up the cradle like that
entire sequence. I must have watched that clip like fifteen
times watching that clip that was that was like such

(59:08):
great wrestling. That entire match was just like mind blown
of like how these guys were scrapping.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
We were talking about the Jonesy tilt before we started
recording here here. The Navy Ride is is a whole
universe of awesome attacks that people don't use enough. And
I know it's kind of a weird situation to get into,
but if you look for it, you'll find it. And
it just it's just avenues to attack and turn people

(59:36):
and and mess up their entire game plan. Big fan
of the Navy Ride.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yeah, and he used he used it right during that match.
So we're we're two champs. Now let's head to one
thirty three.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
I know we're probably getting a little long winded, so
we'll speed it up here and uh, I'll.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Just say I told you so at one thirty three.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Sure, short King the win. I told you at the
beginning of the season he was my pick to win,
and he got the job done. I'm not happy with
how he won. I mean, a stall call isn't how
you really want to see a guy win a match.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
However, the stall call was a makeup call during.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
The Yeah, the time it was called was not great,
But I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Don't know, I don't know where you guys we were sitting,
but for us at home, when they go out of
bounds the way that they went in a bounce, it's
and that the camera shot that they have of us,
you could literally see you could literally see the referee
just contemplating, like, oh, I need to call it right there,

(01:00:49):
but I'm not gonna Like you could see the hamster
on the wheel where he was like call stalling and
it was in his head and he didn't call it.
So I feel like it was a complete makeup call
and they were definitely going to stick to it. But
I was thoroughly impressed by by Lucas Bird. I mean
he had a tough first one. That first one out

(01:01:11):
of the gate was not the easiest, and then after
that he was, you know, smooth sailing, major decision, major decision,
and then shuts out Romney. He you know, had what
three points scored on him in the entire tournament, two
of them were in that first match. Just a great
tournament for him. But thirty three, what were your guys thoughts?

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
You super impressed by Bird?

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Super impressed by Bird, I mean he did everything he
needed to do. I all really kind of fell off
with how aggressive he was.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
I felt like from the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Semi finals on and you see I mean the crazy
points he put up tech Fall major tech Fall was
twenty three to ten in the in the the semis
and then he shut him down. Yeah, so it's it's
a weird, weird, weird comparison there, just to see how
different the style was in that match, because we were

(01:02:08):
expecting like the more aggressive Iola that we'd seen all year,
and that's not what we saw. In the finals.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
It was awesome to see h few get say, fugget
and there make the semis.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
Eventually what you get fourth? You know, Yeah, great tournament
for Wisconsin there and kind of under the radar.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
Everyone was was thinking of the twenty five pounder Rivera
would be d in the mix there, and he didn't
get it done.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
But if you get did, that's awesome, man, good for Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
I started following that dude on Instagram recently, and I
was like, he's got a lot of posts he's always
going through, like you know, technique videos and stuff like that.
But you know, FuG It, the dude's awesome. Like Fuget, Sorry,
he's great, He's great, But I don't know, I'm happy

(01:03:00):
for Lucas Bird. It was a really really intense match,
you know, despite the low score. I was fine with it.
But my favorite part was at one point Jordan Burrows
was talking about how Ayala got pinned in the Big
ten you know finals there, and he's like, I don't
know how you rebound from something like that, and DC goes,

(01:03:24):
I don't know either, man, Rock you've been pinned, and
I it's just like a throwaway along. I happened to
hear it and I couldn't stop laughing. I brought I
paused it and told my wife, like what it meant?
It was? Yeah, it was great. It was great, and
no shade to rock like I've been pinned. My whole

(01:03:47):
thing about like good wrestlers is you don't know how
to get off your back like I'm great at it. Excellent.
If you want a clinic, I'm getting off your back.
I'm your man, all right. I got a lot of
practice there at ten thurs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Yeah, thirty three was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I was very you know, we talked about Nasir Bailey,
but I was very surprised in you know, his underperform
his underperformance at one thirty three. You know, I I
obviously had him making I think the finals.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
He said he was going to win.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
No, I did not say he was gonna win. I
said he was going to be in the finals. I said,
Lucasburg wins. But he was going to be in the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Yeah he was. I did say that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
But like man, I, I don't know. I don't know
what he's looking for because he got he got all
the attention that he needed when he was at Little Rock.
But that's that's beside the point we did talk.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
About already shout out to Brandon Davis though taking fifth,
good for him getting on the podium.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
He needed that, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
He did need that, and especially because he'll be replaced
next year by oh No. Evidently it seems so you know, yeah, yes, Maybell.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
What do we think of that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
What do we what do we think of of the
the international flavor making its way into.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
The domestic lineups?

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
We already saw n Sokamoto in the lineup against Iowa
for Oklahoma State. Now we're going to see Ono in
Penn State. I already said book it one thirty three
Socamoto versus for the NTA title.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Next year, then Continental Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Calling it right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Now, Brady Davis and the goal.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Apparently they had they had ladders at the NCAA tournament.
I missed it because I was debt back there interviewing somebody,
and I missed the ladder match.

Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
I was pissed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
I don't understand it, Like, as as a high level freestyler,
why would you want to change your style? I mean,
like I understand like learning things from a different style,
I don't understand changing your competition schedule and going into
effectively a new sport to compete when you're ultimately trying

(01:06:09):
to go back and still be competitive and freestyle, so
that that doesn't make sense to me. Like I understand
anybody wanted to train a happy Valley, that's not surprising,
but I don't understand. I guess it doesn't make sense
to me, just the the process of going from a
world champ to I'm going to try this new style
I've never done before and hopefully that doesn't fuck up

(01:06:32):
my freestyle.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Devil's advocate though, right, Like if you're some of these
guys who consistently watch us just throwing new guy after
new guy after new guy, right, I mean, we talked about,
or at least they talked about on the broadcast, hegan
O'Toole shows up at I guess was you twenties or
U twenty threes or something like that, wins the World

(01:06:55):
Championship just cradling dudes and throwing in like bars. Yeah,
and it's like we consistently throwing new guys into the lineup,
into these Olympic and World team spots, coming out of
college lineups, and they're just ready to go. And so
maybe that's where they're thinking, right, Like if you're coming
from you know, overseas or one of these other areas,

(01:07:16):
and they're like, these guys just show up with these
like machine gun dudes that don't know what they're doing,
but like suck to wrestle. Maybe if we know what
we're doing and we also learn how to wrestle at
that pace, like then we can be perfect. So you know,
that's kind of maybe what they're thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
I think it's a nightmare for USA Wrestling and UWW
is what I think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
They're gonna if the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Way that people have already discussed things that are happening
with uh, you know, our our domestic guys that want
to represent other countries, right, I mean, so Dat said
he's gonna be wrestling from Mexico on Instagram. You know,
we we already have a shows, Gray have Austin Gomez

(01:08:01):
and then you know, we talked about Lochelin McNeil, who
has been wrestling for Canada, right like all of these
different guys that wrestle for other countries, and you know,
everybody wants to have an issue with it there. Now
we're we're taking guys from the freestyle ranks into the
into the folk style ranks, and then on top of that,

(01:08:23):
they're at the best RTC, arguably the best RTC that
we have where resources are going to be going. Now
you're essentially supporting this Gustler because he is probably going
to sign with you know, Penn State's RTC, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
So like and now Earl's ranking him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Now, Earl's ranking them right, like, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Now he's got credibility.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
I think my thought around it was the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Extra competition factor where they.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
May not have and I don't I don't know what
sort of structure they have, but I know that I've
seen like one off wrestling matches right where they've done
some different types of cards or whatever else, or maybe
they just train all the time and they gear up
for you know, the tournaments that they have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Over there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
But now it's going to be consistent, right where he's
gonna have consistent competition. He's going to be in one
of the best rooms to do whatever, right, So, like
that was my thought around. It was just like, what
kind of competition is he used to having and training

(01:09:42):
is he used to having, and maybe this change of
I mean, it's got to be great because he's a
he's a world champion on multiple levels. But now he
can have a different style, some different coaching, some different expertise,
and a different continuous.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Amount of competition. And that was that was my only thought,
is maybe that's what he wants, is to compete more
and he wants not only that, but like to feel
the spotlight that we have here, right because he's only
getting that something.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
I mean, it's cooler, it is. It's it's fun to
wrestle in the NC double A. It's fun to compete
domestically and be in those big arenas and have those
fans and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
That's fun. That's a ton of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
And now he can get a chance to experience that.
I'm going to be kind of optimistic about how these
old school Penn State fans are going to welcome him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
It's going to be very different.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
It's pretty nice way of putting that. I mean, they're
very diplomatic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
A lot of a lot of a lot of old
white guys with white hairs is essentially what you're seeing
at Penn State. To put it frankly, and not to
say that that's bad, but like, it's different. It's a
different atmosphere of wrestling to be in and exactly like
it's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
And Jacob Cardinas and aj Ferrari they bow every too.

Speaker 5 (01:11:08):
There was two.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Fights at the after the one ninety seven semi finals
involving Penn State fans talking ship to the losers. At
one it was ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
So they're they're a tribal bunch. They're they are a
very tribal bunch. So it's just interesting too, to say
the least, of like how how these things are gonna
go and what these lineups are gonna look like. And
obviously there's all these jokes about you know, sajilaiav is
gonna is gonna be the next heavyweight at Penn State

(01:11:37):
and and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
This that whatever you know, it's it's interesting. We'll certainly
see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
I don't think that, you know, it's gonna start any
sort of trend, but I do think it probably does
open the door even more so for foreign born wrestlers
to come here and train, even though we've we've always
basically had an open door policy where a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
Of these guys have been and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
We have a lot of them and we have a
lot of them training at Cornell. Now there's the Japanese
national team has been kind of all over this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Year exactly, and I think that, I mean, it kind
of opens the door a little bit more, but is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
What it is. Let's move on to one forty one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Rock Hardy and Mendez And this was this was the
best highest scoring final, but probably the most entertaining final
honestly outside of the heavyweight one. This was this was
so entertaining. Both guys end up with back points and
take down like it was. It was awesome. But overall,
what did you guys think of of one forty one?

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
I was super impressed with Hardy, like he he came
in and just threw it out there and and every
single match it was full go and and nothing held
back and it was it was really fun to watch.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
Yeah, him and Mendos put a lot of points, I
mean until Mendes met Bartland obviously, and in the finals
twenty one points. Like that's that's unheard of to see
an nc NCAA final, you know. Shout out to Josh
Coderhant maybe Naval Academy sixth place.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Love that and C. J.

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
Composto from Penn coming in fourth place and from the
hometown sent coach Rogerna out with a bang there, earned
his earned an All American and his last coaching stint there.

Speaker 5 (01:13:23):
So yeah, forty one was a really fun weight class.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
I think I was super impressed with Composto. I talked
to him a little bit during the tournament. It seems
like a really good kid and great.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Yeah, it was a badass weight entirely, it really was.
It's kind of a bumber. Clearly, Alliras was not the
Aleras that we all really really wanted to see at
this point this season. And you know, we had talked
about it weeks ago about his his match count was low,
and you know, obviously the loss to Jamison was was

(01:14:00):
guess not really suspect because Jameson was like really good
all year, but regardless, like let's celebrate the dude, right,
Like Mendes was awesome. Before the season started, I had
message Jay Jaggers about you know who his his breakout
guys that we should be kind of looking at or
highlighting ore and he said, Jesse Mendez, Lol, you know,

(01:14:23):
like not really breakout dude. He wasn't last year.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yeah, but it came out more losses.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
It wasn't as it wasn't as good of a year
for him, even though the result was the same, the
road to get there was bumpier.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Well, And I think it's funny to use that terminology
because like I think if you were to ask Jesse
if this, you know, if this year were better than
last year, I think he would say this year was
better than last year. You know, he had to go
through more adversity, He had to go through more bullshit
in order to get through this and ultimately to get

(01:15:03):
through the the the quicksand that is bo Bartlett, right,
Like how many times did he drown in that quicksand
this year two or three losses to him at least,
and and so you know, to to be able to
fight his way out of that like pretty impressive stuff.
So that that was awesome, and then to avenge the

(01:15:26):
loss at Big Tens. Like even at Big Tens, the
match kind of started the same way, like Hardy got
a big lead up early and then just kind of
you know, fought it off. There was a lot of stoppages.
I don't remember if it was for blood time or
what it was, if it was you know, challenge after
challenge or whatever, but but yeah, Mendez got it done. Man,

(01:15:47):
he came back, he fought it through, and then I
loved what he said after the fact, which was essentially like, look,
you have to visualize this match a thousand times, and
at least in some of those was in visualizations. Half
of those have to be you losing and what do
you do when that happens? How do you get it done?
And that blew me away because I was like, I

(01:16:08):
don't want to visualize losing, Like I want to visualize
the best part, right, I get yeah, like the losing
part is the worst part. Why would I visualize it?
But no, he did it and he got a ton
and uh he's the man. I'm I'm he's he and
and uh Logan Steve are like the buck eyes that

(01:16:31):
I just look at and I'm like, regardless of singlet
stat you know, situation, those guys are are heroes. Those
guys are awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Nothing else to add on to forty nine. As much
as Robbie would love to skip.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
It on one thing, one thing at forty one real quick, uh,
shout out to Sam Latona went on too on the weekend.
It was not known he had surgery in his hand
last week and still fought through it, tried to make
a run and just didn't have it. It's pretty tough

(01:17:08):
to see him go out like that, but hell of
run a blackspook for him. I think there's some some
really good things on the horizon for him. I had
a couple couple different coaches asking me about him if
he'd be interested in coaching, and I think that'd be
pretty cool to see. So shout out to him.

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Moving on to more hokey misery at forty nine.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Man, God, I wish taking second I could consider misery.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Imagine being a multiple time NCAA finalist and being miserable. Yeah,
I mean, but I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
It couldn't be worse. Could be Uncle Rico and just
sitting here you to be able to throw a pig
skin a quarter mile ridge.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Love It gets it done in the finals the same
way that he did in the Big Ten finals, in
the same way he gets it done in the NCAA finals,
only this time he used his face to not give
up neutral danger, which was pretty amazing honestly. But both
guys were very dominant into the final. They wrestled very well.

(01:18:17):
Outside of Lovett's what was that first match of the
day where he was turned and tilted and had to
come from behind against Cartela like I was heires, There
was a couple there was a couple of scares on
day one where you were like, WHOA, what the hell
is about to happen here? But both him and Lucas
Bird get out of it and eventually go on to

(01:18:39):
win titles. But yeah, I mean very impressed by love
It and his ability to go from a one to
zero win over Webster to a twelve zero win over
Webster to make the semis like, that's a hell of
a turnaround where you wrestle a guy where you have
zero offense against and then you end up having all.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
The offense against him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
So very impressed there, and then obviously him going out
and beating Shane van Ness again the way that he
has all year was pretty reminiscent, and it was just
very impressed. The guy that I was super impressed with,
Dylan dil Amelio though, like making the semis and wrestling
tough against Henson, Like very good tournament for him. Who

(01:19:27):
stood out for you guys, Austin will let you go.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
Yeah, like you said, Emilio, definitely.

Speaker 6 (01:19:38):
Definitely impressed and making that semi there Pineo Johnson going
down first round.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
I think Robbie did call that with UV guy.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
That was a great call there. And you know, Sammy Alvarez,
you got a good props to that guy. Been around
the sport for a while. Finally settled down at Ryder
and boom seventh place on the podium, beating out the
twenty two from North Dakota State Drexler, which is cool
to see it, you know, low seeds getting on the podium.
Then you know, you know it's you love it and

(01:20:08):
Henson kind of what you expected between love and van Ness.
But yeah, I went back and forth in that takedown
that was called for Henson then reversed.

Speaker 5 (01:20:17):
I think it was the right call. I don't think
it was a takedown.

Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
People are arguing the j the j O rule, but
to me, it just seemed like his head was down
and not really up in the up in the hips.

Speaker 5 (01:20:28):
So I think I agree with the call for the
most part.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
I think I was more likely to call an earlier
account of the neutral danger than I would have been
to call that a takedown. Yeah, that that I think
that would have been my My point of contention, or
where I would have challenged is you know, his face
was really really smoothed in the mat there, and it
seemed like from my perspective, and it may may be different,

(01:20:57):
you know, I haven't watched the broadcast yet, so I
haven't seen all the angles, but it certainly looked like
he was in position to get account earlier than he did.
It was frustrating to me to see such a.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
Complete lack of offense from Rich.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
And I mean there was a reason behind it, he
didn't want to be reattacked, but for there to be
no stalling warnings with that, except for Henson who got
shoved out of bounds, which was also weird. For their
note to be no stalling there was was, I think

(01:21:37):
or officiating. I would have liked to see a warning
earlier to kind of get the action going, especially when
you have somebody warned when they get pushed out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
But yeah, it was even though Ridge wasn't shooting like crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
He was controlling the center. He was it was like
freestyle control.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
That was that was the thing for me. That and
it was reminiscent of the match at thirty three. Outside
of the fact that Lucas Bird was shooting a hell
of a lot more and he was attacking and he
was really going for it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Ridge was holding center, he's digging.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Under hooks, he's you know, making sure that his asses
in the center. And he's forcing the issue in that
regard because he even and I don't I don't know
if you heard.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
His interview, Robbie because you were in the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Arena, but Ridge had said, you know, after he beat
van Ness to go into the semi finals, is that's
how he needs to wrestle in the finals, is you know?
And And when he beat Henson before it had been
going out going after him, scoring early and being able

(01:22:48):
to protect his lead. So it was a little unsurprising
that he was forcing the issue that way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
But it was also like, Okay, you're forcing the issue.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
But you're not scoring right now. You are the aggressor,
but there's no points on the board. Is this part
of the plan? Where are we going with this?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
And I I knew there was no way he was
going to pick top this time around, and anyone that
thought he was going to pick top is insane. Not
gonna happen this time around.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Overall, I thought it was a great match. Honestly, it
sucked that there was a one zero score, but I would.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Have loved to see that to go over time and
make it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Yeah, I mean it, I would I would love to
see more offense as well. However, what I will say
about it is that both guys put pressure on each other.
Ridge was there to start, Henson was there at the
end when he needed it, just couldn't get couldn't get
it done. Neither guy scored a takedown and ends up

(01:23:49):
one zero. A match where Ridge is more than comfortable
to wrestle because we had just seen him do it
a week before against a guy that is not on
Henson's level. So overall thought it was a good match.
You know, two great competitors. You know, we may make picks,
but it doesn't mean that we're like cheering to be correct,

(01:24:12):
you know, I I would have been just as happy
for Henson to win his second one as I am
for Ridge love It to win his first and full
homer transparency. I loved the Nebraska performance because Brian Snyder
is my guy, and you know, I had an amazing tournament,
amazing tournament which we'll we'll obviously get to, but you

(01:24:32):
know it was. It was a great match, and I
thought it was awesome. Any other thoughts at forty nine
or can we move to fifty seven?

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
I got moving on up.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
I'm happy, let's move it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Up, Moving on up. Blaze and Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Just what everybody called.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Yeah, didn't see that one coming, but I will say
that the way that Taylor wrestle should po iro wow dominant,
very dominant match. Who knows, maybe Shaparro was talking about
Taylor because Taylor did kind of run through his body
like a mad band in that match point.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Just just kidding, that's what Taylor.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
I lose. Yeah, everyone I've lost to is on steroids.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Yeah, what were your guys thoughts at fifty seven?

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
It's a lot of people I don't know, man like
Joey Blaze is awesome. I've been talking about him as
a wrestler for a long time, and then I got
to talk to him earlier this year in a separate situation,
and he was just an awesome guy, really like down
to earth, easy to talk to, clear, He's goal oriented

(01:25:42):
and like has his ship together. So always been a
fan of his. Taylor was on my fantasy team. So, like,
you know, at the same time, I had this like
contrasting thing. I'm like, Ah, who'd I want to win? Win,
win both ways, I guess. But but you know, Taylor's
been fantastic too, and we've said it all year, like

(01:26:04):
he's dropping down to the weight class where he actually
should be. He was an All American last year when
he played sixth, fifth, somewhere in that range, and so
it's like you expected him to be right in the mix.
It turns out that that Kasak gave up his only
takedown of the year at like the worst time possible,

(01:26:26):
And so you know, that's how we end up with
this matchup. And yeah, there's been a three to one
lead for Taylor over over Blade, but damn it was
a good match. It's a good match. If we're talking
stalling calls, maybe there could have been another one thrown
in there a little earlier. Maybe it changes things up
a bit. The reality is it wasn't, so that's the result.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Agreed. Any other thoughts at fifty seven.

Speaker 6 (01:26:56):
Yeah, just kind of touching on what we touched on
before with Shapiro, you know, in a coma a month beforehand,
and he talks about adversity, and you know, I think
of adversity is, oh, I'm sick today, I don't feel good,
you know, and these guys are battling broken like, you know,
torn ligament's broken bones.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
This guy was in a coma.

Speaker 6 (01:27:17):
Details it just puts a whole nother level to like,
you don't know what these guys are going through.

Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
Any given day, anything can happen.

Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
And he just didn't expect that weight class to have
neither Ksak or Shapiro in the finals.

Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
And it did. You know. It's just yeah, it's just
the way the tournament is. It's it's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Yeah, there's always one bracket that just completely falls apart
from the way anybody sees it going. And this year
this was it. I mean, awesome performances. Chumbley made a
fantastic run, Taylor made a great run, Bianchi made a
great run, Like there's there's a lot of really cool
stories in this one. But yeah, I mean I didn't.

(01:27:55):
I don't think anybody would have picked and Charle Taylor
and and Blaze in the final there. But it was
a fun match.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
Well, hold on, real quick, I haven't actually done this yet,
but like the fact that Fish and Salt Datee met
in the Blood Round, Yeah, it's just insane. Like if
you can reverse engineer this and have these two Michigan
State For anybody who's listening to this doesn't know what happened.

(01:28:25):
Both these guys were at Michigan State last year. They
transfer away to different schools, one the Michigan one to
Oklahoma State. Sure enough the Blood Round, one of them
is going to be an All American and the other
is not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
And yeah, Jesus neither for Michigan State.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
Exactly. Yeah, all that let me be reverse engineer real quick.
Zubin ended up wrestling Cannon. No, I don't know if
it works out any differently, I'm not going to reverse
engineer any forever. Happy for Caleb Fish, you got it, Gun,

(01:29:04):
And like I said, Sol Dante's wrestling internationally moving forward.
So the beat goes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
On on the one sixty five got the match that
we thought it was going to be Mess and Brink Caliendo,
Mess and Brink gets the win. One thing that I
will say about about Mess and Brink, and this is
where another one of the comments comes into play. Uh,
not that, but people think because we joke about certain

(01:29:34):
things that we can Yes, somebody, somebody in the comments said.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Wow, they really hate Mess and Brink. Have you guys
have the listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Have you been in a locker room, have you been
around other guys, like, been in a barbershop? Like if
you could see the group that we have, our group,
we make fun of each other all of the time.
It's what we do. It doesn't mean we hate each other,
doesn't mean we hate Mess and Brink.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
I think if any of us disliked any of these guys,
you would probably know it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
It would be it's kind of hard to hide that. No,
we don't hate messon Brink whatsoever, not at all. I
honestly he's one of my favorite guys to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Russell I do hate his classes though, I'll go on
record with that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
I mean, if there you go, there's there's where the
hate comes from. Robbie does not like Messi Brinks classes.
The one thing that I will say that I'm not
a fan of is he he said that he This
was the match against Calliana, I think in the Big
ten finals where him and Callianda had a conversation afterwards

(01:30:46):
and he told him how much like he loves him,
how much he fights and scraps.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
And everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
But like when mess and Brink gets up against the
guy that does fight and scrap, that's some of his
antics kind of come in some of the extras. That's
where we saw the extras come in against him in Burrows,
which drove Burrows insane to the point where he retaliated.

(01:31:12):
There were you know, there were some instances that it
might have been against Minto, or it might have been
against the met I can't remember which match it was
where they go out of bounds and he continues to
lay on a guy and a ref has to like
tap him stop so like and you don't see that
another match.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
He doesn't do that to everybody. He does that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
When he wants to break a guy mentally and get
do getting into their heads. If that's how you do it,
go go on like I'm I've got zero issue but
you know, that was the one thing where I'm like,
he loves when guys push and when guys fight, when
guys wrestle. But that's also when some of his like
extras kind of kind of come out a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
And I don't have, you know, an issue with it,
keep it legal whatever else.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Don't don't make it to the point where where you
were against Burrows. But that was that was an observation
that I had of anything that I could potentially dislike
about mess Mary. But no, I think he's a very
worthy champion. I think he deserves it. I think he
works extremely hard. I would love to see these guys

(01:32:19):
enjoy the moment a little bit more. I understand it's like, yeah,
we win, and then we go back to the room
and we continue to sharpen our axe and everything else.
But like, you want a national title, it's okay to
to celebrate that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
It's okay to enjoy that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
You know, you celebrate it for the night and then
you move on to kind of how those things work.
But like I just feel like, you know, none of
them was in like a good mood of not not
so much good mood, but like celebration was like very
short lived for me.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
Are you gonna go to Disney World? No, I'm gonna
go get on the Aerodyne. Yeah, right, that to the Sunset? Yeah,
imagine that Indy and the Jones and Last Crusade.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
But back to the wrestling, what did you guys think
of one sixty five with you know, all the points
that were scored by Mess and Brink.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
He's a potential Hodge Trophy winner. He's at least a finalist.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
We have three finalists this year as opposed to was
that last year the year before we had like seven.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Yeah, it was wild.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
It was pretty wild, but potential Hodge Trophy winner. Well,
what did you guys think of the weight overall? At
one sixty five?

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Cam Steed was super impressive. He was really really fun
to watch. It was super amped up the entire tournament
and it was a lot of fun. That Penn in
the last match was was wild.

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:33:41):
Against him, I think Holmes called a minto from Nebraska
as well as a Yeah he looked really good Corse guy. Yeah,
he looked really good and I think he's more freshman. Right,
So we'll see him.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Place exactly where I figured he would.

Speaker 5 (01:33:52):
Yeah, So we'll see him a lot coming down the
next few years. Here it was great mess and Brink.

Speaker 6 (01:33:57):
Obviously, I mean he's almost boring a because he's so
much better than everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
But he's also fun to watch because he's always moving,
he's always doing something.

Speaker 7 (01:34:05):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:34:05):
It's I don't know if there's ever going to be
a day where he loses in the NCAA. But when
he does, if if that day, Colmes, it's going to
be really shocking because I just don't say when beating him,
he's so damn good.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
Agreed Here, I am again reverse engineering shit because if
Mantonona beats Steed in the overtime match, and assuming he
then loses to Garvin, we would have had the seven
to the eighth place match of Cameron a mean versus.

(01:34:46):
But we didn't get that because Bo lost the Steed
credit to Steed. Yeah, I mean, like you know, I
don't want to over analyze the thing we've talked about
all year, which was that uh Messenbrink was the best
one hundred and sixty five pound wrestler we've had all year.
Credit to uh Kelly endo on taking it from a

(01:35:08):
tech fall to less than that. As the year went
on and here we are on seventy four.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
If you want to watch a really fun match, go
back and watch on her Garbon and Julian Ramirez.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
That match was bonkers.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Check that out.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
I don't need sixteen to twelve more matches of Julian Ramirez.

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
Heartbreaking, but yeah, it was good.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
It is it predictable?

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
No, it definitely wasn't predictable.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
I don't I don't mean to like throw salt on
a wound, but Jesus Christ, dude, like, how many times
are we going to do this?

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
Four? Four?

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
Yeah? Not anymore? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Anymore?

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
One seventy four.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
K de Vos, Dave, mister O'Toole everything he wanted seven
to six to make the finals. O'Toole was was certainly
pushed in in a lot of these matches.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
And say what you want about.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
Him not being healthy whatever else, I'm not you know,
I'm not adding that catveat in there, because he had
months off during the season to get very close to
healthy or as healthy as he really could be. So
I'm not gonna, you know, try and take away from
anybody's wins. If anything, if he is not one hundred percent,

(01:36:35):
and he wrestled as well as he did. That's more
and more so a testament to him.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
Yeah, nobody's a hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
No one, no one ever.

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Yeah, not at this point, very rarely. But props to
hamity Man. The we talked about reattacks. The reattack that
he had in this match so good, such great.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Lateral movement to get to a leg.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
He made the adjustment that needed he needed to make
from Big Twelve Finals.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Big Twelve, you're gonna have to You're gonna have to
step up.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Over the last two years, you guys have had an
all Big Twelve final and in in a couple of
these matches. So you need to need to step up
and make some stuff happen so that Big twelve is represented.
Because O Tool is now gone, he can't be the
guy anymore. You've got to make sure that there's some
other guys coming out of the Big twelve that can
do it. And who knows, maybe we'll see if if

(01:37:32):
Fakendo ends up at Oklahoma State, like a lot of
people are predicting, maybe he actually breaks through when he
has some consistency being in the lineup again.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Central Machine five tips, you better.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Put that push in to get him back home. U.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Yeah, but thin Toningham was there just saying there is overlap.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
What were your guys thoughts on seven?

Speaker 6 (01:38:00):
For Yeah, you minche O'Toole getting pushed. I mean he
was losing to Norman Thursday night as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Just Robbie was like, oh my god, I called it
week ago and I changed my mind.

Speaker 6 (01:38:14):
Yeah, I mean he just had a vibe. He just
had a feeling that o'tool is gonna win that one
no matter what. I entered that third period. I forget
the score, but he just had a feeling O Tools
gonna pull it out. And same thing with the Yeah
it was he just had he just had a feeling
it was gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
But yeah, Norman had six good minutes in him and
that that wasn't enough.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Needed a seventh.

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
Yeah, bylly time I said that, but I mean Hammy
more than two kids.

Speaker 6 (01:38:47):
Yeah, Hammedy freaking Beaten Hanes returning Champ beating O Tool
returning Champ.

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
And you know that's I think someone else talked about too.

Speaker 6 (01:38:55):
That's a huge branding, you know, whatever you want to
call it for Oklahoma State saying hey, we got these
guys over the hump, Look who they beat to do it. Too,
and you know, so that transfer portal, I think first
they're gonna be calling ocaland the state first, a.

Speaker 5 (01:39:09):
Lot of these guys. So it was a big one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Like that argument. I don't know why I don't. I
don't feel like that's something about that argument bothers me.
They got him over the hump. Well, they had a
year to push through the the you know a guy
who's been right there, like yeah, they I don't know,
it's something about it just doesn't sit right with me.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
But but the results are what they are. Yeah, that's
That's the thing that's really really shouty to argue with,
is that, like and and they're just gonna go but look,
you know, it's just the thing that happened. And it's
and I agree because you can do the same thing
with Iowa. I mean, the same argument yesterday. It's like
you can literally go, oh, well we'll PARKO and teamur

(01:39:57):
didn't didn't pan out one point right, however, you can
and did.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Maybe they just needed to go to one more team
before they got to Iowa.

Speaker 4 (01:40:09):
Maybe third time's the charm.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
All that means.

Speaker 4 (01:40:14):
Joke I was going to make earlier is that Williams
lost to ah what's his face from Rider in the
Blood Round Alvarez Alvarez. Yes, and it's like I need
a third school. That's the reason I need to transfer again.

(01:40:35):
Third times the charge.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
I think you can.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
I think you can make the argument with Oklahoma State
because again, as as as Claunch said, like look at
the result. The result is that they were at these
different schools. I mean, obviously it's a little bit different
when when it comes to Hendrickson, but Hamny was in

(01:41:00):
the same program, same coaches at Wisconsin for what four years,
and every year coming up short, coming up short, coming
up short, and now he gets he gets what he wanted, right,
And it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
You're putting it with a technician who's one of the
best in the world at his weight, Like that's what
you should expect. I think, Like that's I mean, maybe
we don't expect him to make the finals, but you
expect that growth to happen when you put him in
that position.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Yes, but there's also something to be said about about
making that change, right, Like that's you know, at testament
to what Austin said of like these guys look at
the finish that they had, look at the finish and
Oklahoma State had in Tulsa.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
How Dayton Fixed did in Tulsa, How bad that was
for them? Where it's like, this is the year that
Dayton Fix gets done. I guarantee you Dayton Fix gets
it done that year. He doesn't come back the next year,
regardless whether he had another year left. He gets it
done in front of his home crowd. It's over, it's
done on the freestyle, We're done.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
But he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
He comes back another year, and they obviously do better
that following year because there was a different emphasis and
everything else. Now they changed the regime. New guys come
in coaching as well as team, and they do even better.
The finish was better for the team, the you know,

(01:42:28):
the they come back with with multiple champions, something they
haven't done in a number of years. Regardless whether how
they got those guys right, it doesn't matter if they
were there for four years or there for forty seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Those guys are in the room with that team and
won titles. So there's definitely something to be said for
that coaching staff. I think you have to make that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
Assessment independent of winning titles. All of the transfers did
better than they did previously.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
All of them Oklahoma State, Yes, yeah, Fish, I.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
Mean, and then Hammity and Hendrickson.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Yeah, so there's something to be said about that. I
mean even even Sprattley.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
Spratley, yeah, yeah, he was certainly on the team, but
he's he was a transfer before David Taylor got there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
But even Spratley does better.

Speaker 4 (01:43:21):
Yeah, round of twelve to second.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Is second, right, Like, even like those guys, the only
the only guy that regressed.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Is Dustin Plot. But like, look who's in his way?

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
You know what I mean, Like, that's that's his fault.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
You lose to a five times, you lose to a
right like you lose to a five time champion the Semis.
It's kind of gonna happen that way, right, Like so
you can't really fall. You can't really put any onus
on on that, but it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
On the on the ninety seven, we've already discussed eight
for ninety seven, as we said, you can't gets it done.
Third school was the charm. He also beats Ferrari, which
is what we had seen kind of coming. I don't
think any of us picked Ferrari to make the finals.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
I did. Did you to lose the cardenas.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Yeah, I mean I think third, I think, but like,
here's what I'll say about Ferrari. He seems to lack
a high level leg attack.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
That was apparent because anytime he met a high level guy,
anytime he met a guy in the top ten, he
could not score a takedown.

Speaker 5 (01:44:46):
He can shut him down.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
He's really good on getting to a leg and then
as long as he can get up to the crash
and pull it in and get his head up and
cut the corner, he's good.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
You can't always rely on just being a like a
brute having strength in that in that position, right, and
he tried.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Well, this this was my nightmare against you know, remember
when Miles of Meane was at one ninety seven and
I was like, damn, Like, I really hope this dis
matchup doesn't happen in the semis because one guy's en
or Miss and the other guy's Miles and Mean wrestling
at one ninety seven. And that's what happened, and that's
how we got Bonicorsi and uh Ferrari and the national title.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
Anyway, four takedowns the entire tournament.

Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
Yeah, that's that's not great.

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
Yeah, not optimal for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
No, when you're that good on top. Like God, I
feel like I'm the guy on here who's always like
give aj a chance, you know, and I hate being
that guy, but like he's fucking excuse me, good on top.
He's really good on top.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
You can't rely on that every time because there are
guys who the margins to need to score a takedown against.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Yes, exactly, And and I didn't think that the Buchanan
was going to get a takedown on him. That that
was what I called the match on last week.

Speaker 5 (01:46:12):
Yeah, I think Novak got a takedown from Woming on
him too.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
He did that, took him down.

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
Ma. Novak is an absolute beast.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Yeah, but I mean you can't. You can't wrestle the
great match.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
Barr also wrestled a really great tournament, even even though
he was very badly banged up.

Speaker 4 (01:46:34):
Was he he wrestled damn good?

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Yeah he was. He was definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:46:42):
They threw a thing on his leg and he was perfect.
And maybe joke yesterday, like you know, kale is mister
Miyagi just slapped his hands together and then it's like
get out there, here's.

Speaker 5 (01:46:53):
A they're using some substances.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
They took the the the a c l out of
Kirkfult and just slapped it right into.

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
Yeah, bar, that's maybe it was just cold spray.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
Cold spray chorks every time, works every time. But no
props to Buchanan getting to getting the title. I was
certainly needed it. They haven't had one in a while.
The fact that three teams had three uh three finalists amazing.

(01:47:31):
Right Like last year we were talking about how Ayala
saved the Iowa streak. This year, it's like they got
three guys in the finals. You know, Nebraska three guys
in the finals. If you told me that Nebraska, Penn State,
and I will all have the same amount of guys
in the finals, iver have told you were nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Yeah, that's what happened, and.

Speaker 5 (01:47:49):
I are in a great tournament. He really grew on
me through the year.

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
Like I think I was very unsure of how he
he would be at ninety because he is so undersized,
but he's wrestled so well for for with his positioning
and being able to utilize his speed more.

Speaker 4 (01:48:10):
Yeah, you know, this is a good moment to actually
go back to the steroids thing. You know who's definitely
not on steroids, Josh Barr. He is a tiny onety
seven pound wrestler and ninety seven pounds against some grown

(01:48:30):
ass men and made the damn finals. Dude, Like, I
don't know. I don't know what else to do as
far as like providing examples of how things work and
why this this argument is stupid, but it is. Don't
make excuses. Just wrestle.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Yeah, shootmate had a great run.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Yeah he did want to watch too, he did. Who
did he maxed out?

Speaker 5 (01:48:59):
Look good?

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Yeah? That was that was sad watching.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
Yeah, that was wrestle.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
That was sad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
It was so nice though, Like he came off afterwards
and asked him if you want to talk he said
he didn't want to. It's like cool man, I'll come back,
you know words, And then he got like swarmed as
soon as he went back in the tunnel. So I
went talk to him afterwards. He's like, I'm sorry I said.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
No to you.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
It's like no to You're good man.

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
I told you.

Speaker 5 (01:49:23):
I can't even imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
It was just it was just the first person to
get there.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
That's yeah, first to market sometimes sucks.

Speaker 5 (01:49:31):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 6 (01:49:34):
If you guys saw Earl's article about the stats, figures
and trends, ready yet Buchanan's win over Josh Barr was
a first by an Iowa wrestler over a Penn State
wrestler in the NCAA finals since McDonough defeated.

Speaker 5 (01:49:50):
Megalalutas in twenty twelve.

Speaker 6 (01:49:52):
I did see and it was six and oh and
had to head finals matchups until then.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
So Penn State got to first first since Nico.

Speaker 1 (01:50:03):
This week the last weekend with Lillidahl being the first
All American since Nico won the tournament, and then this
one with with Buchanan and bar.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
Yeah, guys, you know, just just getting through barriers. You know,
they very rarely are able to find new records to break,
and I'm glad they found some.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Yeah, and we'll get to the we'll do the team thing.
Let's let's talk.

Speaker 4 (01:50:30):
Is it manufactured adversity that they're doing? Probably?

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Where were Where were you when Hendrickson completed the biggest
upset of a man of the second man named Gable
in the finals.

Speaker 5 (01:50:46):
Standing next to Austin.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Yeah, there you go it, man, It was pretty wild.

Speaker 5 (01:50:54):
I went.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
I went back and watched it on mute, watched the
finals on mute, just so I could watch it from
a from a technique standpoint and not have like the
fanfare and Gable misses the foot if he gets to
that foot, if he stuffs the head first of all,
but if he stuffs the head gets to that foot,

(01:51:16):
there's there's no takedown whatsoever. But he missed he has
it and he lets it go and he loses it.
And when he loses it, that was a wrap.

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
That was it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
So But I mean I was sitting there, like there's
time in the clock. He can still get up and
get out. But when that wasn't completed, just like that's
that's it. Like this just seriously happened.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Yeah, I think he was kind of resigned to it
once he went down. I don't think there was much
of an attempt to Yeah, it's just kind of a
ah fuck that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:51:47):
But over time would have been pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Overtime would have been escape, so it would have been
so awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
So we get blast doubled off the off the yeah, yeah,
takes them on again.

Speaker 5 (01:52:00):
Oh man, that would have been cool.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
Yeah, it was tough because like I don't remember, it
was the end of the second period, maybe when when
he thought he got a take down, but was.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
I don't think he actually thought he had no yeah, okay, Well,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
I don't think he actually thought he had that. I
think he needed like he needed a conversation, he.

Speaker 4 (01:52:26):
Needed to wake up. He was not ready for a
fight he had and and and to his credit, he
didn't need to be ready for a fight for the
last three years, you know what I mean, Like no
one fought him in three years. He just beat the
ship out of everybody. Yeah, and now he was in
a fight, and and he recognized it too late. That's

(01:52:47):
that's it, you know. And and I hate to say
that because it's clearly very diminishing to how amazing this
accomplishment is. Dwight Hendrickson. He earned it, He went out,
he got it done. He was David against Goliath and
uh and did his job. So credit Uni, man. I

(01:53:09):
gotta listen. I gotta listen to the song that he
came out to. I guess that's an important song to him.
I feel like if I listened to it, maybe I'll
drive faster.

Speaker 8 (01:53:21):
Noticed I'm focused on the flag and the that confrontation
was Copperhead Road, some country song Copperhead h Yeah, I'm
not sure what the significance is.

Speaker 5 (01:53:35):
Maybe he just likes it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
I don't know, there's some snakes on that road. I
guess maybe it's dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Let's let's jump to to the to the team race.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
Penn State ends up winning, locking things up with Van
Nessa's pin on the backside, and I I saw, you know,
I know I've mentioned Bo Nickel a couple of times
tonight while we're recording, I saw Bo Nickel mentioned, you know,
no one is talking about the fact that Penn State
broke their own record, and.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
It's a it's.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
Record. They did break the record.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
Yeah, one hundred and seventy seven points.

Speaker 4 (01:54:16):
Fuck yeah, I thought I said they would. I didn't.
I didn't know they did either, and I'm yeah they did.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
But that's what I'm saying. It's a footnote. It's a
footnote to everything else that went on. I mean, I
think people are celebrating Nebraska and the run that they
had because it wasn't expected. I think everybody went into
this tournament like they're We've been calling you the best
Penn State team ever basically all year, so all you

(01:54:49):
can do is underperform at this point, and even though
when it came to the number of champs they had,
they underperformed because most people thought that they were going
to have six of them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
And they didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
I'm already disgusted by this conversation. I really bro this
is bullshit. The fact that I didn't know is dulous.
I don't know, I had no idea. I was in
a tournament for the entire weekend and I'm saying I'm
watching the finals like, I'm sorry, I didn't know, but

(01:55:30):
I probably should have known. This is pretty pretty insane.
Not only did they match the ten All Americans that
hadn't happened until you know now, uh, but they beat
their own record as far as tournament points. This is
singlely the greatest team of all time. And it's not debatable.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
Yes, their Saturday was insane, and seeing that the run
they went through on the backside, bonus point after bonus point, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
Talking to you credit.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
You know, I know why.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
You know why it's overshadowed because of Gable losing to Hendrickson.
That is the that is the biggest storyline of all.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Of it in Nebraska. Having an obscene tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
Certainly, but all of the headlines wanted to talk about
the steroids and the political and the political nature of it. Yes, everyone,
everyone is talking about what Meyer Schapiro said about steroids
and Penn State, and they're on the defense of accusations

(01:56:41):
that were.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Thinly veiled and then on top of that the for
the for Penn State. In all of this, they were
on political shows, not sports shows, to talk about all
of these things, as as well as was why was
White Hendrickson? They were both on like Carter Saraci was

(01:57:04):
on Fox News, White Henderson was on Fox News, a
political news network, not Fox Sports. Gable, Steveson and and
and David Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
David Taylor was on Ariel Hallway Show and David Taylor
and David and Uh and Gable was on Pat McAfee
sports shows that people pay attention to, right, So like
the Penn State and all of it got drowned out
by the politics that they were part of, of Carter
going and meeting President Trump, of Hendrickson's saluting President Trump,

(01:57:34):
and the footnote of them breaking the team points was
because it was an expectation.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
So if they didn't do it, people would have talked
about it. It was it was the amount of people,
and we talked about it on here, the amount of
people that said they're probably going to break the record,
and they have, and and how many how many of
their guys We were slotted to make the finals going
in eight of their ten, not nine of their ten,

(01:58:04):
just about were slotted to just make the finals that
were seated top two. So they were supposed to do
all of the things that they were doing. So most
people were just like, Yeah, Penn State's.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
Gonna do a Penn State thing again, and they're gonna
break the record and the best team ever and this
that whatever. So that's why it's a footnote because all
of these other storylines have come out since the end
of the NCAA tournament that has overshadowed them breaking their
own record.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
It's not that they don't deserve the praise, but that's why.

Speaker 4 (01:58:30):
Supposed to is very different than actually doing right, Like
that's the whole yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
But everybody is numb to their accomplishments at this point.
It is, and I hate to say it that way,
but everybody is numb to it. Sure, the numbs to
them being that good.

Speaker 4 (01:58:45):
I'm gonna accept a hell of a lot of blame
for simply not counting right, Like that's what it would
have taken for me. To have understood this before getting
into this call to begin with. Right, it's going like, oh,
what was last year versus this year one greater than
the other. I didn't do that, you know, And and
part of it is because like the narrative was clearly

(01:59:07):
not on that, and that that sucks. Like I'm really mad.
I'm gonna make sure I put this out there is
as frequently and as uh loudly as I can. God,
I just I don't know, but I guess the thing
that's that's scary to me is like, and you know,
we we want people paying attention to wrestling, We want

(01:59:28):
all this stuff. It sucks like when it gets involved
with all the bullshit, Like I just sometimes I'm like,
you know what I like. I like talking about wrestling
with my friends that like wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
Right literally show yeah, I love this.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
I don't want to deal with the the you know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
Anyway, all the other headlines overshadowed it, and then we
went right into transfer portal.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
So it's just been like, and like I said, this
is not having.

Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
The transfer immediately open. The doesn't help anything. It doesn't
It doesn't allow time of Yeah, it doesn't allow for
time for celebration for what they just accomplished, Like it's
immediately changing the narrative to well, this is what's happening
next season. And like I said earlier today, like I
was hoping, you know, that was a long week, that
was a lot of hours. Maybe I'll get some rest
this week. That's not happening because Grist reportal's insane and

(02:00:20):
we moved immediately into that and having all these stories
and it's I mean, that's it's it's wild.

Speaker 5 (02:00:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:00:27):
Even even last week's we talked about the race for
second place, you know, so that's what everyone was focused
on to begin with.

Speaker 5 (02:00:33):
Nebraska balled out, they had a great tournament.

Speaker 6 (02:00:36):
It was like, yeah, we're kind of I'm guilty of
it too, maybe a little sick of talking about Penn
State how good they are, Like yeah, we know they're
freaking good to the best team ever, but like, who
else was really good this weekend?

Speaker 5 (02:00:46):
You know what individuals, what teams? I think there's other
stories to discuss as well.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
And that's why in the comments of last week's show,
there were people saying, if you listen to these guys,
you wouldn't think that Penn State's even winning.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
And it's like, no, that is not the case whatsoever
on what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
It's the fact that we're talking about other teams because
we've gotten to the point now where Penn State, at
one point in the season, every single one of their
guys was ranked top five, every single one of them
was in the top five in their weight classes, and
they were the number one team in both tournament and
dual meet rankings. So the expectation of them to come

(02:01:23):
in and place ten guys at the tournament while it
was a feat that no one really saw coming because
I didn't even have Braiden Davis placing I had all
the other guys place at nine of ten. I had
Braiden Davis who was banged up and didn't know what
to expect from him because we had seen him kind
of implode last year.

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
You know what, we were going to get nine of ten.

Speaker 1 (02:01:45):
So now they go ten of ten and they break
the record, which we had already thought they were going
to do in the first place. Yes, So that's why
it's like shit, all these Penn State storylines are getting
brushed over because we're celebrating the fact that, for the
first time ever in Nebraska had two champs since what
nineteen ninety something or nineteen eighty something, and they play second,

(02:02:08):
which is overperforming on all these other teams. So it's
it's not a knock on Penn State that they're that
damn good that they just that their accomplishments are now overshined.
It's the fact that they're breaking their own records now.

Speaker 4 (02:02:24):
Yeah, and I really wish I had two platforms when
I've been saying this for the entire fucking season.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
Yeah, it's it's certainly interesting, but.

Speaker 1 (02:02:38):
We literally talked about it every single week where it's
a race for second wherever Penn State is.

Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
I mean the event that I was at, they lost
one match the entire day and that was O'Toole you,
so like, oh, okay, like they went twenty and oh
on day one, you know what I mean, and everybody
was like, holy shit, they at twenty and oh, and
then day two they didn't. But I just feel like

(02:03:04):
they have been so great that everybody's like, yeah, we
just expect them to do this now every single year.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
And.

Speaker 1 (02:03:12):
It's bad on our part because we should discuss that more.
But we're also trying to make sure that we're not
just sitting here listen like having people listen to Penn
State homers, which if you looked at our comments, you
would think that we hate Penn State and we hate
mess and Brink because and Iowa that because we try
to get.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
Something to other teams.

Speaker 5 (02:03:33):
That's that's me. That's fair.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
So it just kind of is what it is. But yeah,
they broke the record. Ten All Americans broke the broke
the broke their own record. They deserve the shine, They
deserve all of it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
I just think that on this particular show, we talk
about the Nebraska in all of it, the Ohio state
in all of it, the Oklahoma State, the Minnesota's, the
Max mcanaleis that you know are on the scene as
well as the ten All Americans that that where the
white belt around their their waist.

Speaker 4 (02:04:05):
I can't wait. I'm gonna glaze him up on blood
around next week. Don't worry about that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
They deserve it. They certainly do it. But it's also.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
That's why I also would love to see them celebrate
these things a bit more and have a little bit
more fun with it instead of you know, Cale doing
his post tournament interview and.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
Talking about I can't wait to get back to the
room on Monday. It's like, you just accomplished something, talk
about it, right, But that's not how he's wired. No,
he's he's in Arizona. He's in No, he's in California.

Speaker 5 (02:04:45):
Where he really is.

Speaker 2 (02:04:46):
Yeah, Serriano's in California. That is where he is. I
don't know if he's still wrestling or not. I have
no idea.

Speaker 4 (02:04:52):
I feel like the biggest accomplishment he had wasn't necessarily
breaking his own record, but by getting an All American
and twenty five pounds again, yeah, we did it.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
Turns out that.

Speaker 4 (02:05:05):
Was the secret sauce.

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (02:05:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:05:07):
And then he gets a two time world champ the
next day, so that's fair.

Speaker 2 (02:05:11):
Yeah yeah, and then flips a guy from Virginia Tech.
So yeah, so that happened. But hey, props to NC
State being the only ACC team to place in the
top ten.

Speaker 3 (02:05:25):
Yeah, they wrestled great. I mean, trumble fighting through a
torn acl to get on the podium is pretty damn impressive.
It is Maddie Singleton, like the last month of the
season has just figured it out. And that's the Maddie
that that I think we were expecting coming in and
that's it's it's pretty cool to see him getting to

(02:05:47):
that point and getting through those matches.

Speaker 2 (02:05:51):
Yeah, agreed. Well, Jim, we've been talking for a long time,
and I talked a lot tonight because I haven't talked
to anybody about wrestling in a while, so I was
pretty excited to do it.

Speaker 4 (02:06:01):
It was greatly appreciated on my end. Ryan, I appreciate it. Hey,
I'm gonna one who has, uh, you know, any comments
against that? Can you know?

Speaker 2 (02:06:10):
They hit me up.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
What it is, but they they can kind of rejoice
because this is essentially the end of the Internet Wrestling Podcast.
We may do one more show and let you know
where you can find us talking about wrestling. But that's

(02:06:33):
why we we all had nice little drinks tonight to
celebrate the fact that we had a pretty awesome season
talking about wrestling, and it's been great to literally listen
and talk with you guys about wrestling, whether it is
being recorded or we're on Twitter, uh talking in our group.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (02:06:56):
So for our listeners, we will let you know where
we're going, where's what's going to happen, whether there's a
brand new platform, whatever it is that the four of
us will be discussing wrestling on. But there's a couple
of things in the works, and when that happens, we
will certainly let you know. But gentlemen, honestly, it's been

(02:07:17):
a great season. I love talking with you guys. The
Twitter group isn't going anywhere. We're going to continue to
discuss things secretly. Obviously, hopefully we get a chance to
continue working together in the in next season. But no,
I honestly greatly appreciate all the expertise and all the
info and the connections and relationships that you guys bring

(02:07:37):
to not only the show, but like I said, our
our our our groups, our group chats and things that
we bring, So I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (02:07:48):
I can't tell you what it's like talking to people
in the wild and hell, it's just never on the
same level as this, guys. It's just so much fun here.
I really appreciate you guys so much and and love
you and uh yeah, you know, we'll see where we
end up at after this.

Speaker 5 (02:08:10):
Curse not good bye and see you later.

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
Yeah, it's not good bye, it see you later. We curse,
we drink, we talk about wrestling. That's just how it's
gonna go. Whenever we're all on camera together. So again,
we appreciate all the comments, We appreciate all the different
trash talk. But you guys can find us on Twitter
where we're not too far, you know, or our our

(02:08:33):
tweets are out there. If you want to go harassed
Robbie for any of his non political takes, or.

Speaker 3 (02:08:39):
If you want to talk anti Iowa or.

Speaker 1 (02:08:42):
Any of the anti Iowa ones. But if you want
to talk to any of us, hit us up on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
That's where we will be.

Speaker 1 (02:08:48):
But we will certainly let you know what the new
platform is in the coming days or weeks. But we
we just kind of need a break from all of
you to be completely honesting us or whatever else.

Speaker 2 (02:09:02):
So we're gonna take a break, and yeah we will.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
We will see you on social media and maybe the
next time here on a podcast yet to be named,
So appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
Another great season, see you then,

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