Intermat Podcast Tyler Brennan Eligibility Questions + Conference Recaps + NCAA Bracket Reactions - IWP 3-15-25 - The InterMatWrestle Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, welcome back to the Four Horsemen on the
Internet Wrestling Podcast. We now have everything done except for
the big dance. We've got conferences.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
We still have things to figure out before that appen.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Oh, we still have We still have to make our picks.
That'll come next week, however, and I mean, yeah, I
guess there probably is still a couple more things that
need to be figured out, which we'll get into. But
we've got conference results, We've got NCAA brackets, we've got
at large bids, We've got all of it still yet
to be determined, as is the one seventy four pound bracket,

(00:37):
what it's going to look like, Who's going to be
in it, Who's going to be in it? So, I mean,
before we even dive into the conference results and our
respective conferences, let's let's talk about that. Let's let's talk
about Brennan, how any of this happened, and what your

(00:59):
guys thoughts are on the on the whole situation. Kevin,
I'm gonna let you start because I have a thought,
but I want to hear what you guys think first,
So Kevin will let you start.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
It's funny enough, all I was thinking in the moment
was about office space where they realized that the guy
with the red stapler actually have one.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Here is is it a swing line?

Speaker 4 (01:22):
It is a swing line. It's a swing line.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Which fun fact that they didn't actually make red swing lines.
They just painted a regular swing line red for the movie.
And now it's their number one selling stapler.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
The more you know, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Anyway, don't say you didn't learn something today. I was
thinking about Milton because it was like, all right, well
we just fixed the error and they just stopped paying him.
But he they, you know, just stick him in a
basement or whatever. I feel like the error is not
on Brennan, it's not on a excuse me, a little rock.
I don't think they intentionally did this. I think it

(01:56):
was just a mistake that was made. It'd be really
really hard for the to pull this away at this time.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Somebody's gonna make an argument about, oh, well.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
The rule is pretty clear, and you know it should
have been caught earlier, and therefore, you know it doesn't
make a difference.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
But I can name and I'm gonna name it right now.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
You know, a couple of years ago, when the Little
Rock heavyweight punched the Northern Illinois heavyweight at the MAC tournament. Uh,
he should have been disqualified in that moment and therefore
taking away his team points, therefore making Central Michigan the
team champions, and that didn't happen. And so clearly we're
not sticklers for the rules in this sport, right Like,

(02:36):
it's just that it's not what happens. So, you know,
somebody at the NCAA made the mistake earlier this season,
it'd be criminal in my mind to pull it from
them now. So let the man compete, let the team
keep their their points and their their tournament trophy.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
It's it'd be ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
And anybody who disagrees with me, I'll fight, even if
they're in Virginia.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
All come down there.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Quite a lot offer's been on the table. So would
that like retroactively give Stencil a sixth MAC championship somehow?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
No, he got his vibes fair enough, ye okay, fair
the team trophy though, I think that'd because maybe not,
maybe not.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
So I feel like there's been so many things over
the last few weeks that that we've kind of come
to the same consensus with It's either we have rules
or we don't either we're going to follow the rules
or we're not, and they're they're there's so much gray
area that we're working in. Yeah, it sucks for him,
that's it's. I mean, he's had a hell of a season.
He's back twelve championship. Can't take that away. But at

(03:46):
the same time, like he's getting something that other people
aren't able to get, and he's getting an additional year
that other people don't get. So it's it's a weird,
weird space to operate in. And I mean, it's such
a clusterbug, to put it nicely, with the COVID year
being added and and some people getting it, and some

(04:07):
conferences not getting it, and just that the whole everything
around it has been such a mess that it's not
super surprising that that we are in a situation like
this that compliance departments and ultimately I think that's kind
of who it falls on, is a compliance issue. Somewhere
along the line, either their interpretation was that he was

(04:27):
eligible and that was okay, or I don't know, I
don't know that there's so many weird variables to it,
but it's it's it's hard to say, you know, you
you qualified for the NSTEA A tournament for the first time.
We just found out that, oh you don't get to
do it, so that that sucks. But is it fair

(04:48):
to the guy who didn't win a Pack twelve championship
who would have if he were ineligible?

Speaker 4 (04:53):
There?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Is it fair to the guy who wouldn't who would
go to the n S doable A's because he's not eligible.
So it's there's there's a lot of like, you can't
call it fairness because it's not going to be fair
across the board because somebody is gonna get messed over
somewhere on one side or the others. It's just a
shitty situation in general.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
A quick counter argument and then I'll let other people talk.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
But no, it's just going to be you and me today.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The I'm the guy who's at my like.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Nine year old daughter's game, like getting so mad at
the refs like playing basketball, and I know that they're
like eleven year olds though, right, like so ultimately I
can't get that mad, and I'm I'm I'm growing as
a person and I'm becoming better. But because Craig and
the NCAA Compliance office screwed this up, doesn't mean that
it screws up, you know, the whole season and for

(05:43):
for a Little Rock and for you know, Tyler Brennan.
So you know, there's this this phantom Craig that I've
made up who you know stamped it has approved and
let them let them compete, like that has nothing to
do with the team, It has nothing to do with
with Brennan. And and like, don't I don't know how
it could be stripped from him at this point.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I think you just put both of them in the
pigtail winner wins baldn't lie. Let's make it happen.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Yeah, I mean I think a lot of that falls
on the Little Rock compliance. I mean, that's what people
are kind of paid to do, is look at NCAA rules,
who's eligible, who's not when it comes to you know,
years of eligibility, when it comes to GPA, you know,
things like that, And I think it to me, it
looks like someone at the school screwed up, whether that
was intentional or not. But yeah, I mean my opinion

(06:33):
is you can't let the kid wrestle.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Now.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
It sucks it came down to this and this far
in the season, but you know, it's if he gets
a fifth year, where do you draw the line. It's like, oh,
we made a mistake, you know. Now everyone else gets
a fifth year. It's like, well that that can't happen, right,
So to me, it's why would you give this guy
a special exception because no one caught it? You know,
at least we'll catch it now. It's good. But again

(06:55):
I feel bad for the PAC twelve runner up because
that guy I think he should be the next guy in.
But with the brackets already set, like like William Bash
was saying this morning, Yeah, it does suck that way.
I wish there was more time to get that Pack
twelve runner up in the bracket and you know, move
on and make it right. But yeah, it's a shame
all around, honestly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
And he wouldn't even be their Pack twelve runner up,
wouldn't even be the guy the alternate, the wrestler from
Ryder would be the alternate. Yeah, so like.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
He was thirty four.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, so it wouldn't even go to the PAC twelve
runner up. But like my thought on it is one,
how the hell does this happen?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Right?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Like, and none of it do I put on the
coaching staff like none of it, because it's.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Not their job to monitor compliance.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Exactly right, Like, and not only that, but like the
way that we have had COVID years and injury years
and Olympic years. I mean hell, I mean Kevin, Yeah,
Kevin's got a Michigan hat on. When MITCHI was at Michigan,
I couldn't even keep all his years straight at.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
A point is seventh senior year.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Like the shirt injury of the Olympic, I think that
might have been.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think, yeah, there were jacket green jacket.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Three years that that he in there that Like I
was like, wait, is he he's still here? He's still here? Okay, cool, No,
no big deal. He's got the eligibility and he's you know,
everything is handled. I mean how Gable came back after
two years of missing, right, And.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
The same conversation about Gable we had the same conversation
about Ferrari missing years. And but yeah, compliance offices are
the bane of every head coach's existence. Every single head
coach will tell you that dealing with compliance sucks. And
some people have compliance officers they love. Some people have
compliance officers they hate because it's their job to nitpick
every single little thing and every single rule and regulation.

(08:56):
That's what they do. That's what they get paid to do.
And for some reason some people liked do that. That's
beyond me, but that there's there's people in place for that.
That's their job and if they missed that, that's that's
on them. And it doesn't take away from what Arismen
and his team did this year because they had an
amazing year. Doesn't take away from what Brennan did this
year because he did. I mean, he sucks it up

(09:17):
and came back to the team and had a hell.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Of a year.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
But it would though, yeah it ultimately, yeah it would,
and that's that sucks. But that sets a precedent that
that makes it so we'd be like, oh, we didn't know.
I didn't know. I couldn't do that. Like that's not
how it works. I mean, the rules and there's consequences
when you break them. Same thing we talked about with

(09:40):
Knox last week or two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
It's it's yeah, yeah, and that's the thing, right, Like,
there's there's so many rules that have been skirted in
the last couple of weeks, right, Like the whole big
twelve thing with Wayan's and guys in are they out? Whatever? Else? Like,
it's just been so much shit, and in the last
couple of weeks so we've been talking about outside of

(10:05):
the actual wrestling. I don't think that they should take
it away from him because they made the mistake and
it was not his job to call out somebody else's
mistake when he thought he was fully in his right.
It can't be. I mean, I would understand if they did.
I'm I'm not saying that they would be in the

(10:27):
wrong if they did. I'm saying that they shouldn't, because
then they are taking out their mistake on him, and
it's not his fault, and it's not Arismon's fault. It's
it's whoever's fault. Who's supposed to monitor that you had
one job, right? Yeah, whoever, Craig is You had one

(10:49):
job and you didn't do it, and now all these
other people suffer because you didn't do your job correctly.
So I couldn't see them taking this away from a
kid who didn't do anything wrong. However, we have seen yeah,

(11:10):
I exactly, That's what I'm saying. We have seen it
a number of times where kids do nothing wrong. They
are fully compliant within the rules, and they don't think
they're breaking any rules. And then the NCUBA comes in
and says, no, you aren't allowed to compete. So's it's
a very shitty situation. And it certainly does change the history.

(11:32):
Because his team points helped his team win a team title,
he won a title himself and qualified for the NCUBA tournament.
And now that will be taken away. And who's to
say what other things retroactively get taken away?

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Right?

Speaker 1 (11:49):
He was sixteen and eight going coming out of this.
Do those sixteen guys that he beat have won less
win now? Do you know? And if so, if that's
what you're retroactively going to do, pull him yes, Like
it affects our pi, it affects a ton you have,

(12:11):
Like there's a number of things that you then have
to dive into. And I guarantee you They say, if
if we let him wrestle, there's a number of things
we don't have to do. There's a number of paperwork
that we no longer have to file or have to
worry about. Let him wrestle. That's probably if I'm in
those meetings and I'm running those meetings, that's my logic.

(12:32):
You're making extra work for us. Now, I don't want like,
this is not time. This is not a time I
want to think about extra shit.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
The mistake is entering this conversation thinking that fairness is
being considered at all.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Really, yeah, it's not. That's that's not the point of
you know, finding a solution here.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's it's just how easy is it would be to
pull him out and slide somebody else in?

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Oh? Not easy? Cool? All right, Well we're you know,
are bad.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Well, maybe there's maybe there's a middle ground too. The
I mean, if we're acting or believing in good faith
that they thought he was eligible, had been told he
was eligible by their compliance department, then maybe the middle
ground is, Okay, we don't change past results, but we
are now finding that you're eligible, and you're not allowed
to rest it on stittable a's and we slide the

(13:23):
we slide the alternate in. And maybe that's the simplest
solution and the cleanest way to cut it off. I mean,
it still sucks for everyone involved, but it's probably the
easiest way and most clean cut way to go about
it without having to impact everything from prior in the
season and still being able to because the alternate is

(13:44):
going to be there anyway in case somebody misses weight
day one, right or somebody gets hurt warm ups the
day before, so they're already going to be there.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
So why and how We've seen how the NCAA works
in vacating wins, right, like we've seen it work in
other sports with coaches that do whatever, and the NCAA
is like, okay, well now we have to punish them,
and they make kate wins and there's a and they

(14:12):
take away trophies and they get rid of whatever. Retroactively,
we've seen it. I mean, Reggie Bush just got his
damn Heisman back this year, so like they they retroactively
will come in and try to do some sort of
clean slate removal. And I do not think that if
they pulled him out of this tournament that they would

(14:33):
just be like everything that already happened, it happened. We
can't go back and fix it because the NCAAA is
notorious for literally trying to do that whenever some shit
happens in any other sport.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Remember when Kelvin Sampson was fired for like texting a
kid when like some weird gray period when you're not
allowed to text a kid yep, and like he just
didn't know that, but they fired him and like now
Indiana hasn't had a good coach since him. And now
that's completely legal too, by the way, Like texting was
just too new at the time. So yeah, it's the

(15:05):
NCAA kicks its own self and the butt over and
over again.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
That's the other thing. We read reports about the NSAY
possibly making eligibility five years long, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
So like like that's on the table right now.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, if that comes into like two or three years
from now, like are they gonna take.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
This summer they put it back, Like you pull him
out of the tournament and then six months later go,
this is okay.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
Now, Like all the time, I just think it opens
can a huge can of worms if you let him wrestle,
because there's gonna be a lot of people coming back
wanting that fifth year that could have had it, you know.
Josh Humphries is an example.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
He had lots.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
He used his Rockie yeah and done. Humphreys try to
use a medical red shirt for that twenty twenty one
season because he didn't compete during the season. He couldn't
get that extra year back, you know, so there's already
kind of a precedent set there, which is probably what
they might rely on. But you know, it just sucks
for for guys that you'll couldn't do that fourth year

(16:05):
because of COVID, they only got three years and then boom,
that's it. You know, now we're leting guys get five.
You know, it just it seems weird.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, well, we also didn't used to let people get money,
so there's that too.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
There's a lot of things that retroactively happening now that
never was a thing. But after they look at them,
they are happy to change them and moving forward everything
is okay. So like I said, I I think that honestly,
I think that the cleanest thing to do is to
just move forward as if everything is just everything, like

(16:42):
nothing changes, just go right.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Like I just feel like it's going to be open
themselves up for too many lawsuits and that's that's how
they're going to look at it.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, but they would do that anyway. Like never what
there's some there's something.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Looking at one lawsuit versus thirty three, Like effectively anybody
in the in the in the bracket or who didn't
make the bracket because of it. There's a potential litigan
at that point.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well, we'll certainly see what comes of it.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
I pot right now, I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I won't be surprised either way. Put it that way,
I will not be surprised if they said, you know,
if it was an NCAAA, you know our bad keep
it moving kind of a thing.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Because when we sacrifice a compliance officer to the gods.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I mean, think about think about how how many times
wrestling pops up on the NCAA's radar, like as opposed
to the other big money sports that they truly worry about.
Right it was, it was funny, like it made me
laugh today when Nomad tweeted, we always put ourselves in paraphrasing,

(17:58):
we always put ourselves in these situations where it gets
to lawsuits and whatever else. I'm like, I'm sorry, but
this is spoken like somebody from you only pays attention.
And I wasn't going there. But my thought was, this
is coming from someone who is only paying attention to
one sport, because if you truly paid attention to collegiate sports,

(18:22):
you would know that there is a lawsuit basically every
single day. In other sports where there's a bunch of
bullshit that is happening. As somebody that covers other sports
and has conversations on other podcasts about other sports, there
is always some shit going on. This isn't even this
is this is a drop in the bucket, This is nothing.

(18:43):
Kind of lawsuit. The wrestling lawsuits aren't very big. They rare.
They actually rarely happen when it comes to the grand
scheme of things. So it's it's he's basically standing on
a on a mountain and looking up at an even
greater mountains saying, we have a lot of lawsuits. No,

(19:04):
we don't have a lot of lawsuits.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
We do not.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
So it may seem that way because you're only in
your own, your own world, but we don't. We really don't.
You know, shit, Shit certainly happens in wrestling, but not
to this point. I just think that when you're only
paying attention to one world, it's it's going to look
like there's a lot of litigation, and there really isn't

(19:28):
a lot of litigation. There's a lot of rumor, there's
a lot of bullshit, there's a lot of people grandstanding,
there's a lot of people talking a lot of shit
because you know, we all think that we are the
toughest people in the world. And on Twitter, everybody is
six foot seventeen and three hundred and fifty pounds with
twenty four pack abs, and they think that they can
beat everybody's ass.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
But did you see conscience has scratched on his chin today?

Speaker 4 (19:52):
I did, he man, I survived.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
It would be it would be even it would be
even tougher if we if we didn't know that claunch
coaches like elementary school, middle school.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
This was an adult though. This was adult adults wrestling adults.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I don't want to hear about your Friday nights much anyway.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Pounds of violence right here.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
All right, let's let's go with some conference talk. Let's
stick in the PAC twelve because you know we're already there.
It was a great performance outside of the you know,
whatever is happening at one seventy four. It was a
great performance by Little Rock. It really really was. I
was really impressed by Nasier Bailey in his match, like

(20:40):
it was. It was very sneaky. We've obviously seen guys
throw a leg in uh in these situations, but the
way that he did it was very impressive because he's
on the edge of the mat and he's got an
arm and he like extends, extends the guy out and
pulls him back in to the point where you could

(21:02):
tell that the guy was fighting, but he had to
extend because he's being pulled by Bailey, and then Bailey
just sneaks a leg in and picks up the takedown
and it's just like it was sneaky.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
It was.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
It was a very sneaky kind of long legged attack
from Bailey to get the win. But the most impressive
guy for me was Jordan Williams. He looked phenomenal in
the finals and it was a really good run for him.
And you know, it's after all the nonsense and stuff
that he had to go through in order to even

(21:34):
get to Little Rock, and it sucks that all those
things took place in it. He does have kind of
a bad pass with being at Oklahoma State, but it's
awesome to see him doing well and wrestling well and
everything that Airisman and those guys are doing at Little
Rock is just incredible. Did you guys get a chance?
I know we were probably all kind of split with

(21:55):
all of our different conferences, but I know that one
was like them, and yeah, Thursday Twelves was the first one,
so it was Thursday, so we were all aboule to
kind of watched that. Do you guys have any takeaways
from PAC twelve's.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Jordan Williams is my big one. I was super impressed
with how he looked.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
He's the prettiest looking wrestler, like his his style, his smoothness.
It just when he hits those duck unders with he's
just like completely flat on his laces and the guy's
completely behind him and he's just looking up.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
It's awesome. It's awesome looking. So I don't know. I mean,
ultimately we're gonna get to it.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
AJ Ferrari put in some work. You got a top
ten win at this point.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Finally, Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
We can't.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
We can't do the thing where we're like, get a
top ten win and then we'll like respect you and
then he does it.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
No, no, oh sweet win.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
I I agreed and disagree though, because it came was
a full strength, even little either like that. The head box.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I won't I won't. Yeah, I won't give the injury caveat.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
I won't.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
I won't go there, but I will say that, like
it took too long for him to have a win
over a top tier guy. There were too many opportunities
for him to have those top tier wins, specifically c KLV.
There was a number of guys that were there that
he should have went and wrestled, and he didn't wrestle

(23:28):
Stephen Little during the duel either. So I'm not gonna
poo poo the win. For sure. It wasn't his most
impressive by any means. The ride out tough rideout, but
like it wasn't an impressive win for somebody who had
who everybody thinks is like such a such a killer.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Right, Also for saying that he for him himself, saying
that he was going to take him, And then.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, he doesn't have any anybody rank that he wrestled
this year. He didn't tach Really, there really aren't too
many guys that he tacked this year. So like, I'm
glad that he finally wrestled the game opponent, and I
think they both wrestled very well, but there were no
takedowns in it. I mean there was escape in a rideout,

(24:15):
it was to nothing. Nothing that was that impressive.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
I think his interview the day before was more entertaining
than his actual wrestling. That was separate topic, right, chaos.
It was interesting, you know, just everything he says is crazy.
You know, it's one thing to the next and completely
different topics, and like, what's this guy talking about?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Part of the to transfer to Iowa? That was fun?

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah, like, yeah, I might be here, it might not.
You never know what nil Like, who says that.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Taking a chance on me, I'm going to run away now.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, thanks for giving me an opportunity. Who's the highest
bidder next? Is essentially what that was. But no, I
mean I thought the match was great. Not great in
the sense of like action action action, but in the
sense of two top tier guys wrestling. Great match.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, it's like an n C double A quality match,
Like it was a two to zero tight match, and
that that was a good one for him to win,
and he looked good. I am very interested to see
if he can string together multiple difficult matches, though he
hasn't been tested since last NC double a run and
that's multiple years ago now, and you know he's not

(25:28):
not gonna have an easy path, So I'm very interested
to see how he handles multiple days of weigh ins.
Multiple difficult matches. It's it's going to be interesting.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, Ultimately, what's going to bite him in the ass
is going to be if if he's done any things
life well, specifically with with with the the upcoming wrestling tournament.
It's between the years, you know, if he starts freaking
out on reps or situation or starts feeling like he's

(26:00):
not getting you know, the proper respect or situations are unfolding, like,
that's where you're going to see him unravel. It's not
going to be wrestling because he's been very, very consistent
all year. He's very stingy on his feet, he can
score when he needs to. He rides out dudes all
the time. And we can always go back to the

(26:20):
argument about you know who he's beating, but still that's
what he's done all year long, you know, so whether
he's TechEd people or not, he's winning matches and he's
doing it in the same sort of way. That's his
game plan going in. So if he can keep his
shit together, you can be in the finals again.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I'll give him. I'll certainly given props for having
a clean year and staying out of trouble. And I
mean he didn't wrestle every competition that we probably wanted
him to wrestle in, but he had a clean year.
He did well he wanted he wanted, you know, Conference
Championship Quali five for NCAA's is the three seed where
he should be. So I will give him full credit

(27:00):
for that, right because at Oklahoma State he was not
without some sort of negative attention on himself. Even before
even getting into Iowa was not without negative attention on himself.
So I will give him all the props and all
the credit because he deserves it. You did a good job,
and you deserve to be told that you did a

(27:21):
good job. So I will certainly give him that credit
and those props. I want to see him continue to
be consistent. He was consistent for a year. Continue to
be consistent, continue to be that guy, because as a wrestler,
I have zero issue with anything that he's ever really
done as a wrestler. He's always wrestled and not really

(27:41):
truly been the like a dirty wrestler so to speak,
but like he's been great on the map, and he's
been just all.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
The other stuff, as you know, being a good human
being exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
So I want to see him to be consistent because
I feel like a good Aj Ferrari is good for
the sport. It is good for wrestling. I could care
less about the cringey videos and everything else, like that's
how you want to market yourself. You go right ahead.
I would much rather you do the cringey dumb shit
on in a weight room or whatever else, have a
sporadic interview as opposed to messing up again, right, I don't.

(28:17):
I don't want to ever see any wrestler mess up.
Every time I've talked to Aj Ferrari, he's been respectful
of me. He's been you know, nice to me. He's
never been disrespectful, always had great conversations with him. So
I give him those props. However, his passed off the mat.
You can't ignore that, but I do give him credit
for having a very good year.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Is your deadlift pr while you were wearing just underwear, it.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Is not no not I was swearing. I was wearing
all sweats, and it is seventy five pounds. Shy of his,
I will say that.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
So see stripped here, undies in your socks, knock it out.
You're good to get.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, the real power comes in when you're wearing nothing.
But no, I, like I said, I give him credit.
I think it was a you know, a good consistent year,
clean year, respectful year, which is exactly what we want.
Sands the celebration and whatever else. He's kind of made
it a trademark at this point, so it kind of
is what it is. I hope we don't see it

(29:17):
every single match that he wins at NCAA, as I'm hoping.
I'm hoping he just gets his hand raised and walks
off the mat like you win an NCAA title. Bring
that sucker out. But besides that, you know, keep keep
the celebration in the holster.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
But no.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
The fact we could see him against Glacier in round two, though,
is hilarious.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's gonna be fun. We'll get to the bracket. But
I want to move to Big Twelves. Big Twelves was,
in my estimation, the best conference tournament. And I don't
mean that in a sense of like, you know, Big
Tens is Big Tens, right, But Big Twelves gives you everything.
There's a team race, there's animated coaches, there's you know,

(30:02):
everything that you have, there's great matches. I was thoroughly
impressed by everything that went on when it came to
Big Twelves, and certainly we had the you know the
way an incident and and who's in, who's out. Glad
everybody's in. Let them wrestle whatever. I understand rules or rules,
but we don't need any of the nonsense. Just let

(30:23):
them wrestle. They make weight, didn't they whatever, get them
on the mat and go. But Big Twelves literally had everything,
and the fact that there was a team implication for
everything going on in this tournament between Oklahoma State and
you and I who you and I has the most
wrestlers from Iowa going to the nca Tournament. So props

(30:44):
to the good old duck Swab once again. That's what
had me just like glued to watching it and wanted
to see every single one of those matches. What were
your guys takeaways, any matches that stuck out to you
with Big Twelves, anything that was like, holy shit, can't
believe that happened.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Kyle Berwick, he looked great. I saw him early in
the year. He was out here they wrest of Virginia
and he didn't I wasn't. I mean, he wrestled well,
but I wasn't super impressed with him, and I feel
like he's really come on the back half of the
year and looks really good going into n C double as.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Yeah, one seventy four was obviously my favorite match. The
Tool that was awesome and he went in that we'll
finding a way late and that takedown over time was beautiful,
keeping that leg on the mat. I forget who had
a breakdown of it on Twitter, might have been Tara
Pelly yep is that it was just kind of walking

(31:50):
through that and yeah, it's just top notch technique and
it's when it mattered. He gutted it out. It was
It was awesome to see and Edaring lit Tool of
one seed, you know, n NTA, So it'll be fun
to see who he faces in the finals. So yeah,
that's seventy four was my favorite. And Kek Haisen just
beating the brakes off plot again did major in this time.

(32:12):
He's probably upset about that, but yeah, seven seven point
victory is pretty freaking good over a plot.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I didn't actually plan this.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
I happened to wear this shirt anyway, But you know,
Northern Colorado got two champs and neither of them were alires.
You know, so that's that's pretty awesome for for that
Crewe Steve O was you know, certainly not in the finals,
but he's he's if he's qualified for the tournament, he's
certainly one of those guys.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
I mean we've talked about him before.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
We know, you know, was it last week we were
just saying like how great it is that he's like
making a name outside of himself, outside of that YouTube
video or whatever. You know, Like, but you know, you
got Dom Toronto had an awesome, awesome finals match being
your you're Kyle Berwick there in that Vinnie's Urban. You know,
we didn't have the It's funny because like last year

(33:03):
he had such a good year.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Was he undefeated going into the big twelves or was it?

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:10):
So like and you know, we looked at it and
we were like, it's not. I don't know, there's there
were some questions there and then it ultimately didn't pan out.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
It in cuble A's.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
But like this is this this seems different right, Like
it really does. So I'm really happy for them and
what they're doing. Uh and I'm excited to see, you know,
what they're able to do. And then ultimately, like again
eleris at the eight seed. Like we'll get to that
in a moment, but Jesus, that's the worst eight seed
you're going to run into like a dude who is

(33:42):
probably angry and and getting his himself back on the
horse and ready to go so and and real quick.
Just a shout out o Tool as well, Like, I mean,
he took some time for injury this year and came
back and to get that win in the fashion that
he did. Uh, and and to make sure that he
was positioned really well on that side of the bracket,

(34:04):
Like God, I mean, part of that's got to be
just understanding how important it was to do that because
it was his bracket. Last year he had to go
through car in the semis and ultimately didn't get it done,
you know.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Like, so he knew he needed the one seed this year.
It was too tough.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Definitely. Yeah, I'm as I said for Swab and I
mean you and I certainly isn't an off the radar team.
Everybody knows about you and I at this movie, you know,
given what Kekaisen has done over the years. But I
was really happy to see ob be able to celebrate

(34:44):
something this year, you know, it's it's it was, it's
it's gotta be rough. When you get the job in
your biggest studs leave and you're like, man, I have
a I have some guys that are in this lineup
me that can do some damage, and they're gone before
you know, basically right as your you're name the coach,

(35:05):
they're already gone and out the door. Impact. So seeing them,
you know, develop these guys into pack Big twelve finalists
and you know, getting a huge upset from uh Darty
who beat Figureoa, Like that's big time, right, Like that
is certainly big time. Ultimately, you know Figureoa comes back

(35:30):
and plays a third and you know Pinn STEVEO and
everything else. But like, man, it's it's big time to
see Obi having some success now, just like you know,
just as we said, Northern Colorado doing the same with
guys that are not named Alirez who have won NCAA
champions championships. But man, it was it was impressive to

(35:53):
see all these guys just kind of scraping as much
as they did, and there's just like so much contention
the the match that I was surprised was close, just
based off of how this guy had been wrestling all
year is the final at heavyweight. I thought that Hendrickson
would have had some more kind of horsepower against Colton Schultz.

(36:17):
And not to take anything away from Colton Schultz, it's
just that we've seen how Hendrickson has been just like
a man amongst boys this entire year. He's looked Gable
Steveson esque against a lot of the competition and just
like pinning people left and right. So it just kind

(36:38):
of had me surprised that that that wasn't that that
was as close as it was. And again not a
slight to Colton Schultz. I love that kid. It was
more so like Hendrickson has been on a tear this year,
and it was tough to see anybody really slowing him
down in the in the conference or you know, outside
of you know, Gable or kirkleet to really see him

(37:00):
slow them slow him down. So I was surprised by
that one.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I was more impressed with him because he was out
there trying to hit high crotches on Colton Salts just
like just like whatever, Like I'm one hundred and twenty
five pounds, not twenty five kilograms, like just.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
You know, just out there and that's a big dude.
That's one of the biggest dudes.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I mean, what was it three weeks ago the uh
trefan picked him up and everybody was like, holy shit,
like is equally as big though he's a big sure, sure,
but my point is like, you don't often see guys
like intentionally put themselves underneath Colton salts.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah, very true.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
And and that's all Hendrickson did with without hesitation.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
So I was impressed by that at least. Maybe it
was the wrong move.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Maybe that's what slowed him down, is it turns out
that's a big guy and you don't want to be there.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
You gotta go snatch single on those those very large legs.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Picking up a Ford focus.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Yeah. I mean. My final thing is, you know, just
look at the team scores. You got a lot of these,
you know, small maybe under the radar schools that are
really making some noise. In the big twelve. You have
Northern Iowa, you know, they're pretty small programs, second place
four points by in Oklahoma State, and third you at
South Dakota State, fourth Iowa State, fifth Northern Colorado. And

(38:25):
then you get big schools like West Virginia, Oklahoma and
MISSOO six seven eight. You know, so it's good to see,
you know, maybe some disparity between some of those big schools,
big time schools that you expect to be well funded
and traditional powerhouses, you know, you know, not at the top,
and you see some of these smaller schools making some
noise with a lot less financial incentive and you know,

(38:48):
just maybe not the notoriety that they have. You know,
so I think it's cool to see schools like Northern Iowa,
South Dakota State, schools like that out placing some of
these big time powerhouses. So, you know, just something I
noticed too.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Southatota State had nine qualifiers.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
Yeah, and in schools of Arizona State down in eleventh place.
I mean, yeah, obviously it's a down year for them, but.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
They went into the tournament without two guys.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Yeah, it's yeah, it's they had a little bit, a
little bit of a mass exodus there when some of
those guys left. But yeah, I mean it wasn't too
long ago. They were like third or fourth, maybe fifth
at NCAA's you know, that was it seems like a
lifetime ago at this point, but hopefully they bounce back
and turn it around.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Were they the last duel team to beat Penn State.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
I think they were.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
I think they were as well.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, no, didn't, didn't I Wall beat them? Like am
I mistaken? I could have. Maybe it was close between
Iowa and Penn State, but I don't. I don't remember.
I do remember Arizona State beating them though, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
Maybe I would beat them after that, but yeah, Arizona State,
it was like what twenty twenty before coming it was.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
That was a couple of years ago, so that's probably
why I can't remember it.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
That might have been that.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I think that was the when Camera beat Hall And yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I think so. All right, let's move to the a
c C and bring bring Robbie's big old a CC
brain in here, and uh give us what happened at
Cameron Indoor, the very historic Cameron Indoor.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Julius Creed showed up in a onesie. That was pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I texted him about that. I was texting him earlier
today too.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I told him I just want to snuggle with him
because he looked like a big care bear.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
He's a large human being. He is really large, dude.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Jacob Casper is one of the nicest people in the world,
though always Yeah, I always loved the chance to catch
up with Jacob, so it was really cool seeing him
come in and he just sat down and started broadcasting.
That wasn't even planned, he just did so that was fun.
But no, it was Yeah, he's a sweetheart though, I

(40:59):
love Jacob. It was a very long day. You'd think
that adding one team to a tournament wouldn't be a
huge deal, but it added three hours of wrestling. The
tournament was three hours longer than it has been the
last few years, so it was a very very long day.
Finals didn't get over to almost eleven, so that was

(41:22):
not optimal when I had a three hour drive back
home and had to work the next morning. So that
was fun, awesome tournament overall. I mean, five of the
finals went to sudden victory, which also contributed to the
very long night. But I mean, you can't can't be
upset with what we got to see. Vent Truscan Robinson

(41:44):
went to overtime again. Vent Trusk got it done again,
very similar to their first match. McGonagall went to overtime
with Areni, who came in not even having a spot.
Arene knocked off okally the one seed Agnagle beat Areni
in overtime, also very similar to their dual match. So
Daniel got a title for UVA beat Latona eighty six.

(42:07):
That was a great matchup. I mean it was it
was fun. Henson looked great. Henson McNeil went to sudden
victory as well. Mci. Henson got the takedown in sudden victory.
That was a very very stingy.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Match overtime with Abbas too, so like he did after that,
maybe he scored all his points in that tech in
the first round and was just like, man, I don't
I don't know if I have any other shots left.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
He didn't. He didn't have. I guess he had one
more shot left because he beat Abbis with with a takedown.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
We only scored five points the rest of the night
and his next two matches, so, I mean that's what
you get with Lachlan though he's he's super difficult to
score on and and generally can create situations to score,
but wasn't able to do that against Henson. Was able
to do it against Abas, but it took him a
while to get there. My boy, Hippolito got it done.

(43:01):
I've been telling you guys since the beginning of the year.
He's the one to watch out for. But you get
the seven six seed, seven.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Seed, four four.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I'm waiting four seed, so yeah, he has a good
route too. Looking at that, we'll get to that. But
he looked fantastic. Sixty five was an interesting weight. Hunter
Garvin looked great, Nick Hamilton looked great. It was a
really tight final match. I don't think any outside of

(43:31):
outside of Garvin, none of them really got any favors
for seating fren Cuaa's and that was a pretty solid
weight with Church getting third, Fields getting fourth. Some good
people in that weight. Seventy four Matty Singleton had a
hell of a day. He looked fantastic. His defense is incredible.
He was able to get to his angles and score

(43:52):
some points, did some just wild stuff to get out
of takedowns too. And Heller looked great. Fishback. That was
some he scrambles.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
It was.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
It was a fun tournament start to finish. The biggest
surprise I think what was was heavyweight because Trumbull showed
up in a giant knee brace. He apparently tweaked his
knee in the duel against Virginia Tech. In the match
with Mullen, and he did not look good. He didn't
wasn't moving well, didn't look like himself at all, got

(44:23):
beat in the second round and didn't wrestle again. So
I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that he has enough time to
heal up and get to a point a place that
he's able to wrestle. But Pitzer beat him for one
in the quarters, and then Pittser beat Mullen and overtime.
So Pitzer had a great tournament after having a rough

(44:45):
ACC season. But yeah, I mean the story of the
tournament was was Mullen or not was trumbled.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
Because top five coming in and places fifth, sixth, fifth,
six because he defaulted. Yeah, play six and five qualified,
so he had to get that large for one of
the top five guys in the country. So I'm hopeful
that he's he's in a position to compete because.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Up until this he was a threat to be in
the finals. I think.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, now he's the seventh seed, which.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Is still I mean, it shows you how good his
season was to fall out of a tournament and still
get the seven seed.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
But it's generous for a guy plaints six in the ACC.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
You know what's wild is we talked about this last
year and Nick Hamilton is now a two time ACC finalist,
one time champ and got a horrible seed last year
this year runner up once again. Horrible seed.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, and he has cam Amine first round.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah. And he has three losses on the year, two
of them too longer.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
He's eleven and two.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
He's eleven and two against the field. He has a
loss to Mantonda, Brock Matt Noda not both right, right,
so that one doesn't count towards the matrix. So his
only losses on the year that are countable are to
Hunter Garvin and they were both won score matches well.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
And interestingly enough, the Brock Mantona has lost, like mate.
At first glance, looked bad, but then Brock went out
there and beat seventh ranked Alex Kramer at the weight.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Class that is going to be damn good.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Yeah, he's impressive. So but yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I mean, Hamilton has had such a good year and
he's put himself in a good position. I think he
does match up pretty well with a.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Mean I mean I like him in that match, honestly, I.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Honestly do too. I mean, he's not going to go
out there. Yeah, he's down, He's gonna hold good position.
That's kind of what Cam wants to do.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Uh, either of those guys could win that match. I
wouldn't be surprised by the way.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Nick Hamilton also a tank at one sixty five. It
was solid, So, I mean it's it's terrible seed. He's
got a rough route, but it's manageable if he makes
it through his first match. That's that's really what it is.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Austin the w and IVY, we're there the cliff notes
on those.

Speaker 5 (47:25):
Well, first, I'll say e WA's was a bit different
obviously without the Ivy's just entire atmosphere and just the
overall tournament. I just felt different. Obviously, six less teams,
half the half the allocations as well, you know, so
it was just different. I think it's something that we'll
have to get used to as the i WA conference

(47:47):
keeps growing. And we know we talked last week too,
a lot of these coaches are gonna have to get
their button gear and start earning more allocations for the
conference and not worry so much about their own wrestlers,
because you know, there was a few examples out this
year where they were getting their guys ready for March,
but they didn't earn the allocation, so you know, a
lot of that plans backfired. But Lee High won the

(48:10):
team title with four champs, first time at program history.
Hofstra had two EIWA champions as well, so some historics there.
Drexel was the only team to place all ten wrestlers,
and Drexel was second place in the team standings, which
I knew they'd kind of be in that, but I
was kind of leaning more towards Navy, maybe Army West

(48:32):
Point to come in second behind Lee High. And it
actually was a tight race. Looking at the team race here,
it was Lee High one forty three and a half
and Drexel I guess they were down by twenty two,
by twenty one points there, But yeah, Army and Navy
tied for third place, which I thought was interesting and
I'd like to see those guys battle it out. Pun

(48:52):
intended to see who actually gets third. But yeah, I mean,
nothing really crazy. He happened a lot of good matches
on the backside, especially Coder Hunt from Navy at one
forty one quick pinn in the finals. He's going to
be someone to look out for at one forty one

(49:12):
there coming up with the fourth seed. Yeah, it's just
a shame a lot of these a lot of these
brackets only brought one allocation, so you know, it made
the finals a lot more interesting. I don't know who
you're asking, but you know, it's a lot more on
the line for some of these finals, where in the
years past, it was you made the finals, you were

(49:33):
definitely going for sure, and you can kind of let
it fly a little bit. So a lot of these
matches in the finals were maybe a little conservative, didn't
want to make the mistake, and yeah, that's pretty much
how it went. But one sixty five interesting story. Kyle
Mosher of Hostra. First match, he got a pin in
about a minute thirty that got him into the court.

(49:56):
Into the semis semifinal match, he had a medical forfeit,
and then the next day he had the finals a
medical forfeit. So he wrestled all of ninety seconds one
match and ended up being EWA champion, which I should
all be so lucky. Yeah. I got to look back
to see if there was anyone that spent less time
in the matt to earn an EWA title. My guess
is probably no but yeah, and you got seventy four

(50:19):
guys like Brevin Casella, Danny wask Those guys are both
I think top seven, top eight seeds, so we could,
you know, potentially see two All Americans there be Causella
won that one in overtime. Eighty four We're bringing two
ninety seven was very interesting as well. Michael Beard won
barely by major and heavyweight Owen Treffin kind of solidified

(50:43):
that Lehigh crowd in the finale there in one two
hundred eighty five pound title. But you know, I gotta
get props more team at Morgan State, they showed out.
You know a lot of those guys were really low seeds,
ended up overperforming their seeds. And they have one alternate,
Exeber Duel in that heavyweight. He's the first alternate. So

(51:03):
you know, if Robbie's guy Trumble does back out, Duel
will be in. He'll be Morgan State's first ever qualifier
since being reinstated.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Or Carlton Schultz doesn't make weight.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Anything could happen. I just pointed out Trouble because we
were just talking about him. But yeah, so Morgan State,
you know, they showed out. Sacred Heart had a bunch
of good wins, so it's good to see, you know,
a little more disparity too, which is a lot of
a lot of comments I heard as well. It's usually Cornell, Lehigh, Penn.
You know a lot of those top tier level teams
are kind of beating the crap at everybody. But with

(51:35):
some of those IVY leagues gone, it's a lot more
competitivecy so a lot a lot more closer matches and
you know it'll be fun. Moving on to ivy's two
mats Sunday, single day, they kind of drug that one
out as well. Similar accs started at ten am, finals
were over by I think nine night at night, so
all day event on Sunday at Princeton Cornell ten qualifiers

(52:00):
I think there one of four schools made five champs.
Team race was interesting though, came down to want one
to eighty four pound final where FOCA beat Hale in
overtime to solidify it for Cornell. So yeah, team race
was very very close there. One twenty five Diego Catello,
third seed ended up in fifth, which I thought was

(52:21):
kind of surprising, and he's actually earned the first alternate
so might not even be in the tournament after being
a qualifier for two years and run of sixteen last year.
Moving down the list here, Composta won forty one. Ryan
Miller of Penn won one thirty three one. Crosswazluski had
a nice win over Fernandez of Cornell. Ty Whaleen of

(52:43):
Princeton also in that mix, got third. Shapiro came back
tech fold everybody there one fifty seven. He got the
two seed. NCAA's seventy four was fun to watch. Ruiz
of Cornell ran the table there. Foca of Cornell eighty
five war won that weight ninety seven. Luke Stout won

(53:05):
by tech fall, and then you get two tech foles
in the day, so he kind of ran through that bracket.
And heavyweight was alone weight class to bring one and
Ashton Davis of Cornell won that one, and like I said,
team Raates was close. Cornell won by six points over Penn.
Columbia snuck in for third. They had a really good tournament,
Princeton fourth. They had two champs as well, So yeah,

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pretty good, pretty good day overall. It was along three
days for me. Friday and Saturday you had w A's
and then Sundays I went to Ivy's caught the first half,
drove home and watched the finals at home. Just felt
a little guilty on lack of dad duty, I should say,
over the weekend. So I wanted to see the kids

(53:48):
a little bit for the sun, to hang out with them,
put them to bed, and then watch the finals. So
long weekend of me. But I'm just training for NCAA's baby.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I was watching the match that stuff out to me
was Meyer was Meyer's semi final against Harrington. Yeah, and
it was because he was getting pissed. Meyer was getting
so pissed because Harrington kept leading with his face and
his head and just like he head butt him once.

(54:19):
And it happened once, and I think it was just
like okay, whatever it happened. But then when it happened
a second time, Meyer's like, that's the second time it happened,
Like we got it, Like do you see this thing
on my head? Do you think I wear this? Because
I think it's comfortable, Like it's not. We might have
to get him the the sunny Santiago helmet to wear
next year because it is it was. You could tell

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it was definitely bothering him and he was trying to
like when he realized how Harrington was going to wrestle him.
He was just trying to stay at a harm's way
and not get head butt and just stay healthy because
it was it was bad because he didn't He did
it after that too, after the he called attention to
to it and it was pissing Meyer off a lot.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
Yeah, well that's the that's technically Shapiro was only loss
of the year injury default to Harrington earlier in the year,
so there might have been some you know, bad blood there.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
You know.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Just Meyer definitely remembers that match of you know, and
he was kind of losing at the time after he
hit his head and then they called it. So yeah,
I think those two just kind of lily butt heads
going back and forth there. And one of these seven
is interesting because they had three allocations and they're bringing
five people they earn into wild cards there with Harrington
and Blake Sado of Brown. You know, so five out

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of six people in the bracket went to NCAA's in
that weight class, which is you know, pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Yeah, and he looked really good in the final against Streets.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
Yeah, only a decision during the year, and their dual
kind of blew that one open and yeah, I think
that semifinal, like you said, pissed him off, so he
wanted to go out with a bang.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
That is for sure, all right, Big Tens, Big Tens.
Was a great time watching that one, And as you
look at the seeds for NCAA's you realize how much
weight they put on Big ten Guys finals, which we'll

(56:19):
get too, but thoroughly impressed by by Max mcinelli And
I said it before going in, is he was going
to be a guy to watch. And he comes out
and takes down Sarachi for the first time. He hasn't
given up a takedown, and I mean he gave up
takedowns last year at NCAA's but let's call what it is.

(56:41):
He had basically one leg winning a title, so he
hasn't given up like a true legit takedown in a
very long time. And that was a true legit takedown,
and he showed that he is. He's up there, man him,
he's I feel like he can definitely win an NCAA
title if he continues on this path. And the kid
as an athlete too, Like, I think that was another

(57:03):
thing that kind of contributes to him being as good
as he is. So I was really impressed by him,
and then obviously by my guy Lucas Bird. I'm I
never really left the Bird train. I might have changed
my pick based on how he was wrestling, but man,
he's he opened up and he's he's definitely on one.
So very uh, very happy with Lucas Bird and and

(57:27):
how he wrestled the entire weekend, you know, not not
leaving literally any crumbs, having his best match in the
final to avenge at loss against Ayala. What other things
did you guys see at Big Ten's that stuck out
to you?

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I want to comment real quick just on the energy.
And I made this point on Blood Round yesterday, but
the I kind of equated the regular season and the
postseason energy to like if you're listening to like your
favorite band on Spotify or whatever, and you're like, this
is awesome, and you're driving around in your car and

(58:06):
you're just loving it. But then you go to the
concert and it's a different energy entirely, and there's other
people around you and they're like this is great, and
you're like, god, damn right, this is great.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Like this is awesome.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Like that's the difference between the regular season and the postseason. Right, Like,
it's just it's it's way more intense, it's way more exciting.
It's just just super fun. And yeah, Bird, I mean, like,
you know, he's he's done a great job. He's one
of those guys. He's been around the block. He wrestles
post matches when he needs to and figures out ways

(58:39):
to win those because you know you will. You don't
need to necessarily push it to the fullest extent until
it matters the most. And when it mattered the most,
he pinned the number one rank guy in the country,
like pretty decisively. Like he would have been there for
forty minutes if Lucas wanted him to be down there
for forty minutes.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I was tight.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Yeah, So I love it.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Yeah, yeah, but no, I mean the whole thing was great.
You know, Uh, it's wild to see Gable. We got
to appreciate Gable, we got to appreciate Ridge.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Like there's some of these dudes who are not going
to be around next year, and we're going to see
it and realize it and be like, damn, this kind
of sucks. Made the joke that that Gable is like
a freight train that moves like a hovercraft. Like he's
just that that insane, like he just floats around it
doesn't He picked up Nick Feldman and threw him at

(59:37):
a photographer.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Yeah, like like off the mat, like not even like
they were on their feet, they were in they were
on the mat, they were referees, and he lifted him
off the mat and threw him at a photographer.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
I picked my kid up, but I throw him into
his bed and he's six, you know, I'm like, that's
how it looked.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
It's just there are things we got to appreciate and
really really enjoy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
I love it again.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
His win over Parco was awesome, just to get that done,
I mean, very impressive. And then you gotta appreciate Illinois
across the board. Illinois had a really really good tournament.
Nebraska had a really really good tournament. Just Penn State
had a really really good tournament. Believe it or not,
turns out I should probably mention them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Yeah, it sucks that Josh Barr got hurt. I hope
Josh Barr was able to be of the capacity that
he was before that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Uh, because man, that that's that's really impactful for what
they were hoping to do. But they still managed to
break their own record from last year for big ten points.
So you didn't have a good tournament. I wouldn't have
a good tournament. They had a bad story.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
That people are people are calling for the heads of
the brands once again, which is not surprising.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
But yeah, every year about this time they.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Every year about the Yeah, like like clockwork, what time
is it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I think I think we're there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
This is this time of year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
Like do you think Tom and Terry intentionally get different
haircuts so that like you know what I mean, Like
if if I'm Terry, I don't want Tom's haircut right
now because it'll be like, well that's him, he's the
head coach, you know. And then if you're like Tom,
when you win all the time, you're like, well I'm Tom.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
This is why I have the tight cut.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I honestly think you can't. You can't pull them apart
in any of the the blame or or the praise
they are. They are attached there there. They might as
well have been Siamese twins at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah, but then Tom would be in the stands too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Yeah, any any other any other people you guys want
to give shout outs? Super Big Tens, Robbie Austin.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
I mean, from what I saw, it's gonna it may
sound silly, it might be a bad take, but I
feel like a lot of Penn State guys maybe looked vulnerable.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:08):
I just didn't expect to see Bartlett lose, and then
van Ness lose. Messon Brink was a one takedown match,
which we've never seen that all year, and then Carter,
you know, and little Doll. Maybe it might be exception.
He looked really really good obviously, but yeah, it's it
was just strange to see a lot of those Penn
State guys lose and you know, kind of barely squeak

(01:02:30):
by when you expected them to win by more. You know,
So maybe vulnerable isn't the right word there, but you know,
I think maybe expose maybe another word too. It's yeah,
it was just strange to see those guys lose, and
then those tight matches. You were kind of expecting, at
least Messing Brink to blow out Callendo again, but you know,
maybe Callendo's figuring something out there. You know. It was interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Yeah, I think you got to give you got to
give props to who they.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
Wrestled, right obviously, too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Yeah, yeah, and maybe maybe they did, maybe they were
a little flat, but also maybe vans bomb Bauer is
just ready for Bo Bartlett and he controlled I tweeted it,
and he controlled that match the whole time. Bo didn't
look like he was his offensive self. And I mean,
the most props in that way go to go to Hardy.

(01:03:20):
I mean, holy hell, Rock Hardy looked so good wrestling
the entire day. Like might have been nine to eight
him wrestling Mendes, but he was. He was out in
front in that match for a while. Mendez mounted a
pretty damn good comeback, but Brock Hardy was just lights
out and just kind of flipped the switch. I feel

(01:03:41):
like for the I mean, maybe maybe it's just recency bias, right,
but from conference tournament to conference tournament, you saw guys
peaking at the right times, Guys that you wouldn't expect
to win these matches. Right, You thought it was a
foregone conclusion that it was going to be Bartlet Mendez
in the final. However, it was Bartlet Mendez in the

(01:04:04):
third place match, right, So it props to to both
Vombauer and and certainly props to Hardy. But then, I mean,
you got another another you know, crazy match with Love.
It followed up Hardy's run. Nebraska was amazing. They looked
so damn good, so damn good. Very impressed with everything

(01:04:28):
they did. Like like I blinked and then looked up
and was like, oh shit, rich Love, it is out
to a ten to one lead, Like, what the hell's
going on right now?

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Well, I had to like go back. I'm like, what
did I just miss? And I was like, oh, that's
a lot of points, Like he just he just really
really opened up and put it on him. Obviously, he
you know, kind of shut it down for real, shut
it down in the finals to only win one. Oh,
but you know, props to Nebraska for real. They they

(01:04:58):
did a really really good job. Uh throughout the entire tournament,
each one of their guys looked really really good, and
so I was impressed. I was definitely impressed by them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
And you know, new combat speeds they did.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
I mean it was the ones that that that Love
a head on. Those were popping. I think those are
those are to fire, Those are gonna fly off the
shelves whenever they come out. The we we talked about
Brock Mantonona bow Mantonona came out and took Mess and
bring down and was like, yeah, I'm in this right now,
like I'm gonna come out and you know, score a

(01:05:33):
takedown right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
And it was impressive and then it was not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
And then it wasn't. It was over see.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
I blame that he had only wrestled for like, you know,
two minutes before that. That's his problem. You should have
wrestled longer. But he pinned his guys too fast.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Uh, what's happening with Patty Prospect? What what's going on?
Patty Gallagher to medical forfeit out.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
That was weird.

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
He didn't well, he didn't. He medically forfeited out of
that match.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
No, and then he forfeit and then he forfeit in
the seventh and eighth place match too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Between he did wrestle in between, he.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Did wrestle between, he wrestled Lillard and he won seven
to four, and then he wrestles Sparks and he lost
for to one and then medical fourfeit out the eighth place.
So it was like, really weird because he looked he
looked very healthy, looked very healthy against Messing, Like when
he was on the mat against Mess and brink one

(01:06:36):
second medical forfeit, and then onto the on the next one.
It was just like, that was really weird.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
That makes me worry that it's a head thing then,
because if there's no tape, I mean they're gonna tape
up whatever. They're going to tape up, right, you see, dudes,
I mean covered in tape and break uh uh, you know,
shoulder braces or whatever all the time. It makes me
concerned that it's it's something else, and that would suck
because I do like Patty Gallagher. I think, you know

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a guy that was so impressive in high school and
has done everything he can to be healthy and compete
in college at the level that he I'm sure expected
himself to be at, and he hasn't gotten there yet,
you know, so that kind of stinks. So I hope
he's all right and able to compete, you know, as
close to one hundred percent as he can come come

(01:07:27):
in c double as.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Yeah, last question, and then we'll move on to NCAA
brackets and some of our favorite matchups. One seventy four
pinto bronegle Was it a takedown?

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
I didn't think so. In the moment, I granted, I
was like standing in the stands and kind of watching
on the TV and watching it happen live or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
But like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
I think the argument that you would make that it
is a takedown is that the weight was on his hands.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
It absolutely was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
But however, when the action ended, I felt like they
were kind of like horizontal, like they weren't. It wasn't
a controlled takedown at that point. You know, there's weight
is on people's hands all the time when they were
in the air, and the action's not done yet, So
I didn't necessarily think that it was. But I will
admit I didn't get the best for you. I had

(01:08:22):
to rewatch that situation again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, I liked Travell in the middle of the mat
during that takedown though, and greasy like in the gray
in the middle of the takedown. That was a really
weird sequence, like even before the takedown, but just like
the last minute of that match was just super weird,
and I think that added to the the chaos of

(01:08:49):
of the was it was it not a takedown? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
I was a little confused sitting at home on the
couch because the big reporter tried to kind of explain
what was happening, but I don't know if he had
the full story or it was confused. Like I still
didn't understand what was going on because there was like
a brick, a challenge, brick and then the rest review
and then another challenge or something like that, and I
just think there was too many challenges going on. I

(01:09:14):
wasn't sure what the hell happened.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
But there was multiple challenges during that a bout. And
there was one challenge early in the match by Nebraska
but it didn't get overturned or whatever else, and then
it came back. Then there was another. So the takedown
happens at the end and Nebraska challenges they said there

(01:09:39):
was no takedown. Nebraska challenges. They come back and say
that there was a takedown. Illinois challenged that and wanted
them to look at it again, and I don't. I mean,
I can only assume that they were challenging that time
was out. But like at that point, you're, you know,

(01:10:00):
your triple stamp in a double stamp at this point, right,
you can't you can't do it. But the thing that
I and I said it in our group and the
I tweeted it out. But the thing that we're you know.
I can remember, and every time I'm doing commentary, I
always remember to tell people the clock you see on
camera is not the official clock. The table has the

(01:10:22):
official clock, even though the side ref is telling him
when time is out. They are looking at a at
a different clock and it is plugged into the computer. However,
they can manually change the clock on the screen, So
the clock that you are seeing is not the official clock.

(01:10:44):
It never is. It is not the same one that
the referees are looking at when any of these challenges
are happening. They have a clock that goes down to
like tenths of seconds to make sure that everything happened
within time. So we're seeing, you know, six seconds on
the clock. They're seeing six point seven too, like whatever

(01:11:08):
it like. It is a crazy minuscule amount of seconds
that they are seeing on those reviews. And I know
because I've seen it. I've sat next to them as
they're doing these reviews and you see that official clock.
So it's way different than what we are seeing on TV.
So people saying time was out, Look there's zero or
there's one second, and there's reaction time whatever else. That

(01:11:29):
was the part that I was like, reaction time they've
tried to use reaction time all year, and there's no
time for reaction in this instance. But that is not
the official clock that anyone at home is watching. The
official clock is on the computers that they use for
those challenges. So that was the only kind of out

(01:11:49):
that I was giving them of saying they are literally
watching the official clock and the takedown happen simultaneously. Maybe
there's more time than what we are seeing on televis. Yeah,
any other thoughts on Big Tens?

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
Evanson was cool?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, you had you made that trip? How how far
is that trip for you?

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
It wasn't bad.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
It was like three hours, three and a half. My
brother lives nearby. I miss I missed having friends there.
I will say that much like going to NZ Double
A's or just going to Big Tens and tournaments and
things like that normally, uh, you know, you got someone
to go out with and talk about and kind of
uh you know, just go through everything with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
It worked out. My brother lives in town.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I stayed with him, so I got to go spend
time with him and his wife, which was nice.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
But yeah, the only other props I want to give
us to Cardinas flipping the script on the bar loss
and then also beating Buchanan. He wrestled very well and
was super polished, so definitely have to give him him
a shout out for sure. Number one seednumber one seed,
and that takes us into NCAAs. So let's get to

(01:13:03):
those brackets. What and I'm gonna I'm gonna go to
Robbie so he can give us kind of an ACC
look when it comes to these these seeds. How did
the ACC fair with seeds? Good? Bad, ugly? Somewhere in
the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
What's it look like somewhere in the middle. I think
some of them were friendly, some of them were not
at all. Like we already hit on Hamilton, that one
was insane. Twenty five I think was I think twenty
I think they got twenty five right, Van Trust get
the three, Robinson at the four, Spencer Moore getting a

(01:13:43):
wild card and getting the fourteenth because he had a
decent year. Not bad there. Thirty three McGonagall is going
to have a hell of a run to get through
to make this happen. He's got Bergen in the first

(01:14:03):
round as a sixth seed, sixth seed. If he wins there,
he's either gonna have Evan Frost Tyler. Wells he wins there,
he's probably gonna havenicre Bailey. So that's a that's to
get to the semi. So that's a real rough quarter there.
Arene got the twenty sixth seed, and I think he

(01:14:24):
has a better route from the twenty six than McGonagall
has from the six, which is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
Zakis took third at the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
He could have he could have Arene Areni, could have
Buzakas and then Shover.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
Or Sea.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
That's a hell of a run.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Yeah, but I guess I'm comparing thinking style wise. I
think that's the style wise that those matches are better
for a Reni than they are from mcgonagh, just in
comparison of how they would match up. But also take
into account that Areni's a two time All American and
he's managed these paths before. So maybe that's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
If Areni makes the finals only ship. Yeah, that's a
that's a run. That is a run because as I said,
if it goes by seeds, he's Gotzka's first round, then
Shover in the second round means he'd beat Sean Speidel

(01:15:32):
exactly right. Then he's then he would have Ayala Naziir
Bailey in the semis Lucas and then Lucas Burn in
the finals. That would be a sick run. Yeah, you're
saying there's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
A chance, there's a chance, there's a chance. I wouldn't
say it's a great chance, but there is a chance.
I will say with as as not good as Kai
looked at the Virginia Tech dool, he looked really sucked out.
I don't know if he was sick or just had
a bad cut or what. He looked great this weekend.

(01:16:11):
He looked like he managed it better, he looked healthier,
he looked I mean, he looked like he was in
his best form and we saw a great run from him.
So that's that's good to see.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Any I don't want to make you go through every
weight any like egregious seeds that you've seen in any
weight class. For any of the sixty guys.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Sixty five is really the one that stood out to
me just kind of overall, because I mean, sixty five
was deep in the acc but they weren't like super
high highly ranked guys, but like middle tier ranked, really
solid guys with decent records, and I don't feel like
that was very reflected in the rankings. I mean, acc

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champ is Hunter Garvin. He gets a seven seed, not
bad because he has some questionable losses on the year
and he's nineteen and seven, understandable. But then you have
Nick Hamilton, who's the runner up as a twenty five seed,
Mac Church who worked his way back to third as
a twenty eight seed, and that's behind guys with I mean,

(01:17:15):
that's not a bad one for Mac. I think that
the one that stands out the most is Hamilton. And
I don't understand how somebody with two losses to people
in the field and is a finalist in the conference
gets a seed that low. It doesn't That's the one

(01:17:35):
that doesn't make sense to me, and that's what I
keep going back to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
The only thing I can think of is that there's
a lot of guys in this bracket with two one
zero losses, you know, and then you'll have a guy
like cam Steed out there with five losses on the year,
but he obviously, like had a really good tournament as well,
so that you have to figure that out out. I

(01:18:01):
do generally agree with with with Hamilton. I mean, the
other top parties. He only had fourteen matches on the season.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah, and that's part of it too. But but Gunner
flippowit's Army wild card correct twenty seed, yeah, more losses,
course losses. Yeah, and he's he's a higher seed. So
I mean, those are the ones that always kind of
stand out like it does. I don't understand. And it's
all this matrix, this nebulous thing that nobody actually knows

(01:18:28):
how it works. I'm sure it's some sort of algorithm.
And then Valente gets his crew together and talks about
things as they come out, and they decide if they're
right or not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
And basically how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
They and nobody gets to know what the matrix is
except for Lawrence Fishburn.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
They punch all these things into a computer. The computer
spits out where the seeds should be, essentially, and then
human error comes into player, not so much human error,
but like the the eye test, right, and the human factor,
I guess I should say, comes into play when it
comes to the matrix.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
So the matrix is only a suggestion, and whatever it
suggests isn't always the end all be all, and whatever
the final is is what's agreed upon in the room.
I wouldn't wish that job on anyone. The fact that

(01:19:33):
it really is and the fact that you know he
sits in that room every single year, props to him.
I can't believe that he, you know, volunteered for that.
But no, I mean, the matrix is a huge factor
in all of these things because it takes the objectivity

(01:19:54):
out of it, right, and it doesn't allow for the jockeying.
It does allow for the jockeying, however, it does give
a result, a numbers based result. And you know, I'll
never say that I completely understand everything that goes into
the matrix. However, there are a number of factors. Obviously,

(01:20:14):
right coaches rank RPI, their conference final juice size, Like
there's a there's a whole bunch of stuff that goes
into it, and like I said, it spits out whatever
it spits out, and then they gotta kind of navigate around. Okay,
this guy should probably be here. This head to head
happen here, this loss was avenged. And with that being said,

(01:20:38):
when I looked at first of all, I was surprised
that Lillodoh was the one seed right off the bat.
Was very surprised that Lillodohll was the was the one seed,
and I will always be team body of work over
team placement, because you know, we are what we consistently do, right.

(01:21:01):
And even though Liladahll did consistently win all year, he
also does have two losses and those losses are to
Dean Peterson and Macrone. So like the fact that he
got the one seed is solely based on how he
looked at the Big Ten tournament. And obviously, yes, I

(01:21:22):
get it he'd beat the one seed and the number
one rank guy in the country, but it still shouldn't
override your complete body of work from the whole season.
So when I saw that, I was like, Okay, they're
they're going Big Ten placement essentially over what happened during

(01:21:45):
the entire season, because there's no way that you get
Lilidahl as the one and he has those two losses
to Macrone and he's got the other loss to Peterson.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
The argument for Ramos to be the one seed done, yes,
says yeah, right, I don't know, man, I think that's tough,
and I'm a big Matt Ramos fan. I'm he's got
one loss, yeah, and I'm picking him to win nan
c DOAA tournament. I think if you're doing anything here,
you're going that was a decisive win, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
And and he also had a lot of decisive wins
in the year until he had his one loss.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
I'm a body of true also true.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
I'm just if you're if you're splitting hairs here, like okay,
well we can.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
I also believe that Boat Bartlett should be the number
one seed at one one. I don't. I don't think
that brock Hardy should have gotten the one seed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
I think it's it's hard because it doesn't feel like
there's consistency with between weight to wait and even guide
to guy. Whether it's it's it's measured on the body
of work, or whether it's measured on recency. And if it's,
you know, is it more important how they did at
conference or is it more important what they did the
entire year and their quality wins throughout the year in

(01:23:06):
number of losses throughout the year, or is it only
important what happens a conference.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
If we're talking about consistency, though it is consistent it
I'm scrolling through it right now, like with how they
made that decision, and it has the decision appears to
have been made on this past weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Certainly that that is that consistency is there? However, I
think it's the wrong consistency.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Yeah, And that's that's what it comes down to, is
that your that makes it so you're putting all the
weight onto one weekend of wrestling, and that we've known,
we've all seen and we've all probably had a weekend
that was off. And you know, should we be measured
on one performance versus six months of performance?

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Exactly? Because and not only that, but like rock Hardy
avenged one loss this weekend that he had one that
was it and that was Bob Bartlett. I understand he
was the one seed, number one rank guy, but he
also lost to kill Happle and and and Jamison. So

(01:24:12):
how does he get the one seed in Mendes? No
he also lost to take in Jamison.

Speaker 4 (01:24:19):
No, no, no, I mean, I mean I'm saying that the
loss the avenge was to Mendes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Uh yes, sorry Mendez. So how in the world does
he get the one that's so that's that's my that's
my only thought is I don't I don't think that
he should get the one seed. I think he's got
a very good chance of winning NCAA's based on how
he wrestled at big tens. But I don't think he

(01:24:45):
should have been the one seed if we're going with
the body of work and who he lost to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
The thing with that weight is that everybody lost, right
Like it was, it was pretty set in stone what
we all could have expected, which was some version of
you know, Bo Bartlett at number one, and then you
know Mendes or Hardy or or some combination or Leres
at number two and three, and then all those guys
just lost and it completely threw everything up in the air.

(01:25:13):
And now you've got, you know, a guy who was
ranked one, two or three pretty much all year is
the eight seed on the same side as the guy
who's now the one seed, which theoretically should give you
the easiest path.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
It definitely doesn't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
Yeah, And I mean I understand why Bartlett is is
not the one with the loss of bombs that is
got Yeah that too, with the loss.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
Is he taller or shorter than Bruno Mars.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Probably right on the same height.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
Yeah, Well, does anyone know that? What does he sing? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
That I don't know, Like he's probably a man of
many talents. I would assume.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
I assume so.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
He smelled stands and doesn't back twist.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
I mean, he's pretty well rounded.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
I can do that though.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
I mean, but like Bartlet's lost to Bombauer is what
drags him down out of that top seed. However, I
don't think it should have. I don't think that it
should have. I think that he should have been the
one seed still because his body of work shows that
he's still like that one loss should not kill his

(01:26:26):
one seed when his other wins include wins over the
returning NCAA champion Jesse Mendez. That should that should elevate you? Yes, wins,
he beat him for third, and he beat him during
the duel, So like he's got multiple wins over the
returning NCAA champion, yet this one loss at the conference

(01:26:46):
is what drops him to two. I know we're splitting hairs,
but like it's when you look at body of work,
you have to look at the It can't just be
based on one weekend. And I feel like that's what
they were doing with a lot of these seeds. And
when rock Hardy gets the one at twenty three and three,
and he's obviously bumped by beating last year's NCAAA champion,

(01:27:11):
which didn't seem to be good enough for Bo Bartlett,
who also beat the returning NCAA champion, but beat him twice.
It just doesn't make sense to me. And again splitting hairs,
it's one seed versus two seed. However, that one seed
definitely doesn't have the easier path.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
No, he does not.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
One other thing I noticed a big tens was just advance.
Bombauer walks like a WWF wrestler, like walking down during
its entrance music, down the aisleway.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Just chest out on just.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
The most confident man alive. I'm a big fan of his.
He thought he beat Bo before he wrestled Bo, so
that was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
The name of like dance Bombouer you have to be though, Yeah,
its like a like a.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
We already has a name you would not have to
change if he went into the w w A. Yeah,
there's already been one of those guys. I don't know,
I don't know I want to repeat that, but yeah,
So that was that was my thought. Just like looking
at specifically those two seeds was just the they weighed

(01:28:22):
heavily on Big ten conference finish and not on body
of work, and while other seeds to me, make total
sense of you know, Gable being the one and and
Hendrickson being the two makes total sense to me. Ferrari
being the three total sense to me. I think that's
where all of them should be. However, those there's just

(01:28:46):
a couple of them where it's just like I don't
think that those are right. Like you know, and again
we're splitting hairs. We're talking about one seed versus two seed,
but it does change your path to the finals, and
when you do have a returning NCAA champion in your path,
which both of them do. Aliras in the top half,
Mendez in the bottom, so both of them do, so

(01:29:08):
you know, both equally tough pats. But I just didn't.
I was very surprised that rock Hardy got the one
seed off of one weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
That spoiler got head in, so they want to make
it up.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
The one thing I will say is that like sometimes
the regular season dictates, the regular season, paired with the
conference results dictates some chaos, right. We saw it last
year at one seventy four when Cartistarracchi had to go
through Mikaye Lewis and Shane Griffith before even making it
to the finals right. We saw it at one sixty

(01:29:47):
five when David Carr and Kegan O'Toole met in the semis.
Like sometimes it's it's does it make sense, like like
to the general public or like the group's people who
typically watch this and understand like maybe what probably should
happen all the time. No, it doesn't always make sense,
but sometimes the records do dictate that, and that's kind

(01:30:10):
of what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
It was Staraci is because they're injured defaults, so that
that one made more sense. And you know, the argument
can be made that they you know, maybe the other
seeds weren't correct and it made it for a more
difficult path. But I think his seed was was appropriate
based on if we're putting all that weight on the
conference tournament, having two losses there does.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
That, But there's always going to be those circumstances that
change it up a little bit. I'm just saying, like
the path doesn't always the number one seed doesn't necessarily
mean you have the easiest route depending on whatever chaos happened.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Yeah, but that's where the matrix is foul. In my
opinion of a Cardi Serachi being a nine seed and
being on that side of the bracket where he has
to beat all of those guys instead of the human
factor correcting it. That's why they don't just spit out
the seeds and say, okay Ai was correct, right, the

(01:31:04):
matrix was right. All the numbers that we put into
the computer gave us this, and we're going to go
with this. That's why they have a committee. That's why
they get into those rooms, is to fix things like that,
or fix things like Jakory Teamer being the eighteen seed.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
But that's also why we wrestle the matches, right, Vance
Fambar was twenty six.

Speaker 4 (01:31:21):
Seed last season. Yeah, and he was like, I'm not
a number of My name is Vance double B. Different
plot line.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
How are we feeling about Jakory Teamer being the eighteen
seed and most likely hitting Meyer Shapiro in the second round.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
What is he done to earn anything higher than that?

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Yeah, I mean he's been hurt the whole year.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Yeah, but he.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Had a super low match count. His winning percentage wasn't
that good. He doesn't have great wins like that. I mean,
I understand he's returning All American and has these past results,
but if we're not basing them on previous years. Eighteen
is I mean, maybe you could argue for fifteen. I
think anything above that you're really stretching it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
This is a reach, but bear with me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Mike Miller was an NCAA finalist for Central Michigan University,
lost to Steve Luke at one seventy four, ended up
essentially bumping up to eighty four the next year, got hurt,
dropped down to one sixty five the year after that,
you know, ended up not just battling some shoulder injuries

(01:32:33):
and things like that, ended up not making the tournament
as a wild card as a result. But it's like
sometimes if you have good results previously, injuries getting the
way and it kind of screws up your chances. You know,
we're not personally attacking ja Corey teamer. I think he's awesome,
and you know, his career stands for itself. The guy's

(01:32:54):
held together with duc tape right now and it shows
in the mattions. And it does suck to see, as
somebody who you respect and value their their performances in
the past, to see it unfold this way. But I
think it's reasonable where he's at. I think it's it's
tough to for me to make an argument at a
lot of the other guys seated above him for them to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Be switched based on his body of work this season. Exactly,
Thank you. Also, we finally agreed, came around to it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
I'd see Nick Hamilton over him, I'll put it that way,
especially at fifty seven.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
Yeah, especially, yeah, get down there.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Nick, Yeah, and see that. That's what I'm saying, is like,
if we're gonna, we're And that's the thing is Teamer
is most likely down at eighteen because one his conference
finish as well. But he's eight and four on the year, right.

Speaker 5 (01:34:01):
So like there's no RPI for him, so exactly losing
points for that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Yeah, So like his entire body, Caleb Fish, maybe maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Well like his his entire body of work plus conference
placement puts him at eighteen. So that's what that's what
I mean. In those other two spots, and again I'll
say it again splitting hairs, But in another two spots,
body of work plus conference placement, I don't know how
that equals the number one seed.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
So I feel like I have to wear my Purdue
hat next time just to just to prove that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Maybe any others or you guys ready to wrap things
up and dig into these brackets and so we can
make our picks and give our finalists and stuff like
that next week.

Speaker 5 (01:34:58):
I mean, my other question I'll throw out to you
guys too. It's probably hard to avoid Big ten and
possibly Big twelve, But what do you guys think about
matchups in the first round from people from the same conference?

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Hat it frustrated.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Because there are two instances the IWA finals rematches first round?

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Didn't that happen last year too? Where there were there
were a number of spots where EWA guys hit in
the first round.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
I think last year, if I remember, it was like seven,
eight or nine matchups. This year there's four.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
If we're talking about splitting hairs, right, if we're going
to keep using that that framework or that that uh
those words like let's split.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
Them and separate them, right, like it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Should be separation criteria between conferences one thousand.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
And I had this conversation with the Valente last year,
and I guess the committee's excuses, well, do you move
one guy up or move one guy down? And house
point and I and yeah, I mean they have their rules,
I get it. And nothing against Lente like you guys
said he's great for volunteering to do this crap. But

(01:36:08):
you know, it's like, I think we make better products
seeing different people wrestle, because like two rematches from a
week ago, I think that's kind of stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Clearly this sucks, right, like this version of it sucks.
Do you think either of those wrestlers are like sweet?
Like this just happened right if the kid?

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
Yeah, sure, it depends on win most likely, But.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
That's the That's the crazy thing though, too, is like
you know, uh, how so I'm thinking back, and this
doesn't happen all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
More often than not.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
If you major a tech fall a guy, you probably
beat him up pretty bad the next time too. Uh.
But then you'll randomly get those times where like you
get a Sam Hayes Winkle wrestling, Paul Donaho tacked him
in the Big twelve finals that year, lost in the
NC Double A finals, not first round of.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
NZ double As.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
But I'm just saying, like, sometimes too much exposure is
is bad for something.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
You can't say that with.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Times too much exposure is bad.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Actually, how well he would have done in the NL.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Oh Man he would have made He would have had
some sponsorships.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Yeah, I do. There should be some separation between especially
finals rematches from conferences, right, Like, there's gotta be something.
So but what do I mean, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Right, it's a younger wrestling fans who are listening. You
should probably google Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
No, no, not Google images.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Don't worry. I'm editing that out. Actually I'm gonna leave
it in. Who cares? But no, there's there's certainly those
instances where they should and I understand why they can't
do anything about it. Right, His point is correct, we
move him up and affect somebody else or move him

(01:38:05):
down in effect, you know what I mean, Like there's
a there's a domino effect there.

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
So, like we've also talked about, there is a little
bit of human element when these gets spin out there
is they're like, so, why can't we do that with
conference smashups in the first round?

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
It's why are we correcting some things to make them right?
But not when it comes to I don't know, and
some people don't mind it. I just think it's like, hey,
let them wrestle someone else.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
You know, at the end of the day, it's everybody
is sat there and told out wrestle your seed, right, who.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
Gives you the twenty four versus twenty five? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Or you're twenty six and twenty three, like, just get
it done. Like, I don't know, I don't know those
people wouldn't wrestle first round. I understand that, I know,
but the.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
Point still stands.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
Yeah, like whatever, you're in a bad draw, it's all
these these you know, whatever terminology you want to.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
Use to justify that you're gonna be just fine.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Yeah, it is what it is. And I mean, unfortunately,
we are still left, and we are going to be
left unless it happens in freestyle without a Gay Arnold
versus Cardiseraci match, because the wrestling gods do not want
that to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
So I'm okay with it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
We'll be left without I'm not. I want to see
it happen. I want. I want this ship talking to
be backed up, is what I want.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
That's what I want. Well, one of those guys hasn't
backed it up.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
I want.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
I want these guys to be on the mat against
each other so we can see it happen. I want
to see it.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
One guy's been there, That's what I.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
Want to see it. I want to see it, so
I'd love that the other thing is is Ferrari versus Glacier.
That's gonna be a fun rematch.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Well not if Andy Smith doesn't say about it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
If Andy Smith does anything to say about it, I'm sorry,
Andy Smith, but give us what we want.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
And Smith's gonna have to wrestle with a lot more
confidence last weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
If maybe it's just Smith Jackson. Smith didn't want us
to have what we wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
It's true, certainly did not. It is sad that the
stouts have to face each other, potentially face each other
in the second round.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
Yeah, that sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:40:36):
Mickett O'Malley is gonna is gonna try and not make
it for people that are listening and watching. Mickett is
what he was named in the what was it the
final NCAA rankings that came out the other day. The
misspelled his name. His name is Mikey Mickey O'Malley.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
But we'll guys change it. After Saint Patrick's Day, it's
going to be make it after Saint Patrick's Day. Love
it well to celebrate and then it's going away.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Get gone, all right, gentlemen, You guys, got anything else,
any other shout outs, anything else you want to put
out into the ether. Before we wrap up.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Happy Saint Patrick's Day, everybody will probably be especially you make.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
It then you Yeah, especially you make it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:30):
I will give a quick shout out. I'm repping trucks
arresting today, heavy guards passing of my former coach Jack
Child's well legendary guys in the sport. I think his
services are going to be this weekend. I'm definitely gonna
go out there, and you know it's a sad event,
but you know we're going to see some people you
haven't seen in a while and laugh at some stories.
But yeah, Coach Childs is great when my life would

(01:41:52):
be so much different about that guy obviously recruiting me,
meeting my wife there, have all my buddies there, and
you know, just I have a completely different life without him.
So Coach Child's rest in peace. We're gonna miss your buddy,
and it's just would have been nice to see him
at NCAA's this one last time in Philly where he
kind of started his career, ended his career here. But

(01:42:12):
you know, uh, time's a time sucks. Sometimes you don't
get it you don't get what you want, so shout
out to JUX Wrestling and you know Coach Childs and
his family.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Absolutely absolutely with that. We close things out for another episode.
We appreciate you guys listening and watching. Next week we
will pick our finalists and our national champions. See if
we are kicking or sticking with the guys that we
either switched to or picked from the start of the season,

(01:42:47):
and maybe we'll do it with some beers in hand
who knows, or an alcoholic beverage to celebrate the end
of the season, either maybe next week or maybe the
following week. We'll see, or maybe both, because we're all
of age to do that. So put your picks or
any of your egregious seeds or whatever else in the comments.
Always love every single one of those comments. See as

(01:43:08):
next week and always appreciate you listening and watching.

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