Intermat Wrestling Podcast Gable's return, ACC vs B1G, PSU Lineup, CyHawk & UNC's 2-piece singlet - IWP 11-27-24 - The InterMatWrestle Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Gentlemen, we're back again. Another week of great wrestling in
the books, and there were some fireworks this past week.
You know. Obviously in the Big Ten, Gable made his
re emergence and wow, we'll get to that later. There
were some Big Ten versus ACC wrestling going on as well.

(00:23):
There was also ACC Big twelve where the NC State
crew welcomed their old regime back to Raleigh. So that
was really awesome.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Did you see that sweater that Timmy McCall was wearing.
Did I saw the swain?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I saw, I saw a picture it was. It was
honestly really awesome to to see those guys get welcomed
back into Raleigh. I mean, obviously they were going to
welcome those guys back that they left a lasting impact
on that entire program, But like just seeing that and
seeing how Pat's coaching Tree, it's like you're seeing it

(01:02):
like right in front of you, right, like it's literally
right across the map from you, right and we already
know what kind of impact he's having. The Adam Hall's
having at UVU. I think we talked about it literally
every show where you're seeing something else cool that Adam
has put together, like and every week you are finding
out just how I mean, obviously you can look at

(01:25):
the schedule and you can see who they have, but
you're seeing every week the impact that he's already having
with how meticulous they put that schedule together. Right they
bought Oklahoma State in They're you know, handing out free
T shirts to the first five hundred. Then they go
back to Robert. Get me I did. I asked Adam
for I sent him a text. I was like, listen,
I'll pay for it. I don't care, like I just

(01:46):
want one of these shirts and a speech crickets from
Adam Hall. So I'm kind of upset. I might have
to reach out to Timmy. I think I think Timmy
might be the guy to make this, to make this
happen and make this work. If I if I can
get to Timmy, maybe I'll get four of them. We'll
all wear them on the show at the same time.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Can you see if we can get a sweater too, I.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Mean, if they're if they have some sweaters, If they
got some sweaters, I thought you were a best guy though.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, I a.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Sweater, a sweater with the wolverine on that that would
be awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
A big old Navy Tech best guy back in the
day that must have like.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Six of them, talk about they match on my cargo pants.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I was just with the zippers.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Pockets. What's crazy though, So I'm I'm in my real
life outside the wrestling bubble and my high school teacher,
which that's a whole experience in itself, but that ship's
making a comeback. I saw kids with like baggy cargo
pants on the other day and I was like, whoa,
this makes me feel really old because that your That's

(02:50):
what I'm saying. There was a kid with some jencos
on and I was very excited. It's like, man, I
hope you have some soap shoes and some he yes,
there's some grinds outside.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Really enoughful have Harper pants back. We'll just be throwing
nails in our pockets.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I really hope that there is a part of the
people that watch this show that understand this entire conversation,
because if not, I don't apologize for any of these
references that you children do not know about. But you
know who's going to know. Slap the MAT's going to know,
and he's going to make comment about it, because he
always does. He comments on everything and I love it, and.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
The kids are going to know sooner enough anyway, because
it's cyclical.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
That's how fashion works.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
It's it's coming back. It is certainly coming back, So
don't worry. All my old baggy jeans and oversized jerseys
are still at my parents' house, so if I need
to dig them out when I go back to Pennsylvania
for Christmas, I will do that. But no, the wrestling
has been amazing and I want to start with that

(03:49):
Rutgers VT duel, another duel in an awesome different venue,
and you know I tuned in to watch. I know
some of you guys were having a little bit of
trouble to get getting it onto your computers and TVs
and stuff, and Robbie, you guys are talking about that.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Let me yell at the ACC for a minute, because
I've been on this soapbox for the last couple of
years trying to help people out with this because it's
worked flawlessly for me, and I've walked people through getting
logged in and making sure that they can get all
the ACC network and ACC Network extra stuff. And damn
sure if I don't tune in on Friday to watch
the mostool and it won't work now Claunch coming in

(04:30):
through with the clutch with the log in got in
there the end of the one twenty five match, so
caught back up on Eddie. Good to go, But the
point remains, get your shit together, acc I know where
your offices are. I'll go talk to somebody if I
have to.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yes, we need that.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, I tuned in. I was. I was working out
when it started, so I tuned in. I think it
was right around one one, that's where I started watching.
But very one, very impressed by the venue two, very
impressed by Wollock. That man is a monster. That Borow
and Arrow was disgusting, and I felt for Jackson trailing

(05:13):
like jack and so you're coming back with one thing
in mind is to win everything, and you're not getting
treated very kindly right now. And not feel bad for you,
but like, that was a hell of a match. I
was very impressed by him. Robbie, I want I want
to hear your take on the on the VT side
of things, as they were supremely dominant in that match.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, I mean, for the most part it was. It
was super lopsided. Uh McGonagall didn't go. My understanding is
a little thing up in practice, and they weren't going
to throw them against Shaper if he wasn't full strength,
So they pulled out a guy that nobody even knew
was on the roster, was a transfer from King David Medina,
and he didn't do super good. I got tech pretty early,

(06:01):
I think in the second, towards the end of the second.
But you know, if I walked into a d one
room after not having wrestled for a few years, probably
wouldn't do so great against stolen shopper. And I have
one hundred pounds on him. So there's that.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Would you make it to the second?

Speaker 5 (06:19):
That's a good question, over over under Are you going
to get past that that level?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Or do I have it? Do I have a stick?
Or am I just just in a single? Because if
I'm just in a single, it's gonna be a toss up.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
You have a chair and a whip like a lion tamer.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh no, I'll go seven. I'll go seven. Enough enough
enough experience with cattle and cattle products in my life,
I can keep things at a justce.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Do you think that you you get washed out because
cardio is terrible or or because he would have that
many points and end it in the second if it
was a true wrestling match. That's that's what I'm thinking.
What what fails first, your your lungs or the scoreboard
from all the points he puts up?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Is going to get my best shape? I was not
in D one seven minute shape and and that was
pointed out to me many many times. So yeah, probably
that probably probably more of the cardio than I mean,
two of my kids weighed more than one hundred and
thirty three pounds and they can't take me down so
at the same time, so I'm pretty sure I could.

(07:22):
I could hold off for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, that's dad strength, though, That is Dad strength.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, it's really the running away from him that's gonna
that's gonna be more complicated.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
The man that that people can't run away from is
is mister Hippolito, and he's showing to be an absolute
force so far with some very crazy like wild wrestling.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I mean, you got Shakira hips that It's.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
It's awkward, it's really weird. It's like as if you
thought that you didn't have to put up with Shenanigans
because Bryce and Doonian was gone. He has a a
long lost cousin and who knows a lot about jiu
jitsu that they're now throwing into the lineup in that place,
and he looks masterful.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
What's so crazy is like you see him step in
like normal in positions you wouldn't put your hips in normally,
and there's separation, but somehow he still gets like wild
leverage with his hips and it doesn't make any sense
at all, Like they shouldn't be able to have that
angle when there's a foot between your hips like that.
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, thoroughly impressed by.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Don't don't act like I haven't been telling you guys,
it's he's a.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Wild you have.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
I just hip is in his name, like you should
know what you're getting into. It's just his hips aren't
gonna lie and they're gonna tell you how bad you
are real quick. So No, he's awesome, man, He's been
as advertised by you.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Primarily.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
I haven't heard the name Hippolito come out of anyone
else's mouth before yours this season.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, the people are idiots, and I'm the smartest man alive.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, you I mean you called your what that we're
done this week now?

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Honestly, here's the thing, right is I feel like if
people paid attention to the things that are said on
this show that are not said on others, you would
know one that Hippolyto is the real deal because he
was talked about last year when he was in the
lineup that Sergio Lemley before he beat Real Woods Real

(09:27):
Woods was the real deal. And for me, it would
be with Lucas Bird being a true contender, which people
are finally starting to say so like thank you. So
that's the thing is like, and yes, I am patting
us on the back. But if you, if you watch
other shows, you will notice that we're taking notice of

(09:49):
other guys that don't normally get the pub. Right. It's
not like they're on small schools. I mean VT, Illinois
and Michigan. It's not like they're not in the spotlight,
especially Michigan. Right, people are watching Michigan, but they didn't
know how good Sergio Lemley was until he beat Real Woods.
And just like Robbie is saying now with Hippolito, Kevin

(10:12):
was already there like I told you so, Like I'm
not surprised, right, like.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
It was, wait, Trumble beats Gable this year, I'm really
gonna have a big I.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Told you so over Jesus, I was like the idea
that we, yeah, we need to just start recording bad
takes and then like staving them and then just like
re releasing them as if it was part of the show.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Let us know when we have one. Let us know
when we have one, because I'm telling you right now,
so far, we're on a pretty damn good track. And
it's not like I'm not like taking credit for Lucas Bradman.
He came in ranked third in the country. However, most
probably didn't think that he was a serious contender. They
thought that he would probably end up in the same
position as his ranking, which can still very much so happen,

(10:59):
but they didn't. This weekend exactly like, He's looked very good,
and so is Hippolito. With having another year of just
practice under his belt. You know, Lemley did other worldly
things last year that people didn't see coming unless your

(11:19):
name was Kevin Claunch. So hopefully people are starting to
pay attention when we talk about guys. It's for a
reason we see some things. And yes, I'm patting us
on the back for sure, someone needs to do it.
Somebody listen, somebody needs to pay attention, and I appreciate

(11:40):
the people that already are anyway. The the other match
that I thought was super interesting was the heavyweight match
that went into overtime, and I feel like, man, it was.
It was close. And it's not saying that like most
matches that go to overtime aren't close, but they were.

(12:03):
They were evenly matched until that last what was it
the little little elbow duck that that Slavakuski hit and
if you watch, like he's like kind of shucking and
driving underneath there and then he hits it and he goes.
But that match was also really really good. Both guys
wrestled very well during that entire match. I was really

(12:26):
impressed in that final bout.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, I mean from the Vet side, Jimmy's just got
to pull the trigger more. He's in, you know, creating
great angles. He just needs to go for it. But
then I mean you have Hunter Kaka, who's around the
twelve guy last year just went out to the Keystone
Classic and tech falled and pinned his way through. So
you know, what what are we going to do there?

(12:49):
Is Is it going to be Mullen? Is it going
to be Kaka it's going to be I don't know.
I think it's gonna be a late late year decision
of who they're actually going with.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah. On the other side for VT, tell you what,
I it was very surprising to see j Yeah, to
see how he wrestled. It's not very good. He's not
looking good. What's what do you think is going on there?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I really don't know, you know, watching him warm up
before the Missou dual, and he didn't look good there either.
He looked great in his warm up, you know, physically,
probably the best shape I've ever seen him. He's lost
that little bit of baby fat that he still had.
Someday I'll do that. I'm forty. Someday though, I'll get there.

(13:42):
So I don't know. He didn't wrestle like himself. He's
kind of unorthodox and relies on some counters, but he
didn't create any of his own offense in either of
those matches. Didn't really even seem to try a whole lot,
which is kind of concerning because he has to You
have to get something moving, you can't just wait for
things to happen, and he doesn't seem to be doing

(14:04):
that yet. So I'm hopeful. You know, they're not overreacting
about it. I talked to Tony about it. I talked
to Jared about it, and you know, basically it was
he's going to show up when he's ready to show up,
and we're not concerned about it. They're happy with where
he's progressing through through workouts and I'll get there when
he gets there.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
So you feel like it's finally like a growing pains thing,
right Like, he come in last year and there's there's
literally nothing to lose and you can be super offensive
and go up top and throw guys a hit inside
trips and there's you know, no no sort of pressure.
Now this year, everybody knows who you are. You're a
starter for your You're a starter because you need to

(14:45):
be a starter instead of I think what he came
in last year because of an injury or something like that.
Right like, now you're a true starter and people know
how you are and you're expected to perform, and you're
also probably working new things in the room that you're
trying to force into your style so that by the
time March comes around, it's a seamless process, like you

(15:09):
have all the tools in your arsenal That's what I
felt like watching him, where he's super tentative because there's
all this new stuff happening in my head and now
I'm starting to forget my true offense. And now I'm
just kind of sitting back and I'm waiting and I'm
being more patient because I feel like I need to
be more patient as a college wrestler, because you see

(15:29):
guys do that all the time, where they're not forcing
things and they're just trying to let the match come
to them. But I feel like he needs to force it.
He needs to be force full, he needs to go forward,
He needs to let his offense fly, because trying to
maybe shoehorn a couple of the new things into your
arsenal out on the mat, you gotta just let them,
just let them come to you.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, it feels like it feels like he's kind of
approached the matches. You know, Colton Hawks is good, and
I'm not going to say he's not. He's not. You know,
eight to two win over TJ better, at least I
would figure it at least be closer than that. He
has no offensive points this year. It was eight to
two lost to Hawks and a five to one loss

(16:13):
to the backup for Rutgers cardagin you Walsh not even
the starter.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
So it's like it's weird because he almost looks like
conservatively aggressive like and then sploded into these tie ups,
but then he won't do anything with it, and.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
It feels like like it feels like a like a
late Saturday or you know, late Friday night match at
NC double A's where you're just trying to only have
to do what you need to do to get to
win and conserve that energy for the next one instead
of actually just pouring it in there and going after it.
It doesn't like you said, there's there's not any pops
like to finish anything. Like he'll get to a position,

(16:46):
but he doesn't fight through it. And so like looking
back through his sports last year, there's lots of double digits,
there's lots of pins, like he's super explosive when he goes.
He's also very you know, has a strong defense. He
can't just rely on that he has. He has to
use that offense if he's gonna get anything done. And
that's you know what the matches that he won were

(17:07):
generally you know, higher offensive output from him. He didn't
have a lot of super close, tight matches. The ones
that were were defensive on both sides and there wasn't
a lot of points work. So he's gonna have to
get pick up the pace. And I think I think
they're going to c KLV right think. So they have
Oklahoma State before that or after that in the next

(17:28):
couple of weeks. Let me really come my schedule. So
he's got a chance to to, you know, make a
statement there if nothing else, so we'll see he's got
it's gonna have to do something. Yeah, he's got Plot
on the nineteenth.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
So.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
That's not a that's not somebody you really want to
see when you're not feeling your most offensive.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
When when you lost five to one to the Rutgers backup,
I don't think Dustin Plot is the highest on your
your to do list right now. So I mean it's
a good place for her to make a statement that
he hasn't dropped off the.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Correct I want to go to the other match that
we were talking about with U n C And Illinois first,
how are we feeling about these these U n C.
Two pieces? Go ahead, Robbie, shake your fist at it.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I I love the idea of removing a barrier from
people getting into the sport. And I think they're fantastic
at a youth level. I mean when I coached high school,
two schools that I that I coached at, we had
a fight short combat not the not the Spandex short,
which you know, how much more are we accomplishing it.

(18:49):
We're doing Spandex shorts and the Spandex top. What's It's
not a whole lot different than just to single it,
but with the fight shorts at least it eliminates kind
of that some of that barrier, especially for the you
know prep best and kids and get you know, the
boys going through puberty. It's kind of a tough spot
to be out there and not a whole lot covering
yet up. So I definitely see the value in it.

(19:09):
I don't necessarily like it at the college level. But
Jason Barrelly made a great point earlier he was talking
about it that you know, the colleges are going to
serve as kind of the overall example of what we
should be doing, and if they see the college guys
wearing this, you know, maybe it helps propel a couple
more kids into it. If that eliminates that barrier. Then
that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, I think across any sport, I agree with BURRELLI completely.
I think across any sport, the college level serves as
a trendsetter up and down. So you've seen in football
where you know, guys are wearing certain certain a visors
or or or certain cleats or whatever else, and you know,

(19:53):
or that weird trend where everybody wanted to have two
mouthpieces attached to their helmet. Yeah, but like emask phase
it started. It's I feel like it's that that entire
thing started in college and it migrates, you know, both
you know, north and south. Right, Like there's a number
of guys you see in the pros that now do it,

(20:14):
and then there's a number of guys in high school
that you also see that do it too, right, So
like it's I think it's spot on where if a
two piece is going to have maybe a bit more
of a resurgence, because for a while it was all
the talk. Everyone was using two piece. Literally my first
day at Flow Wrestling, we talked about changing who's number

(20:40):
one from a two piece from a regular singlet to
a two piece, and everybody's yelling at each other and
arguing and I'm like, this is this my new job?
This was it was the weirdest thing ever. But like,
ultimately they switched to that and they've never gone back.
You've seen guys over the years push the envelope with that,
whether they're you know, going crop top or forgetting ditching

(21:03):
the shorts and just going compression shorts and compression top
whatever else. But overall they seem pretty comfortable in it.
But I think that went by the wayside for a
while outside of like maybe Claw Wrestling with you know
you saw on the match with Jo and Antonian or
you know who's number one, you see it, maybe a

(21:23):
couple of other places, but the popularity has died down.
I honestly feel like if you started to see more
college teams, I know, Arizona State, they also has to
have a two piece that we've seen them wear.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, just wear one against Illinois.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah. So like I think it's I think
it's dope, and I think honestly, didn't you and see
where two of them on?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Was that too different?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Yeah? Two different ones?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, had two different ones, one against Gensboro and one against.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
And they were Honestly, I mean, it's hard to it's
hard to not like every thing that you UNC does
when it comes to uniforms. It's really hard to mess
that up. It really, truly is really hard to mess
up that color scheme and anything that they do, Like,
just keep it in that vicinity and you'll be fine.
Even though I love the black singlet that they aren't

(22:18):
allowed to wear, but like, it's really hard to mess
up those colors, to be completely honest. But like, I
thought it was awesome that they wore it. I hope
that they continue to bring it into their arsenal of
different uniforms and things like that. I hope other teams
start to do it as well. But you know, I
agree with Barelli. I think that's that's the barometer, right, Oh,

(22:40):
that's really cool. I want to wear something like that
too as a high school kid, and that I think
that will be kind of the trend center.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Well, I'm going to go with the old man on this,
but I'm going to go a different version of the
old man on this, Like I'm the old man that's
too old to argue about this.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I don't care is it sanctioned?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Is it cool?

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Does some people like it? People don't like it? That's
like anything, you know, so I thought they looked cool.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
I think it's great that teams have options. You know
what I do in NCAA Football or NBA two K
I change the uniforms every time because it's fun. Yeah,
so you know, let them have fun with it. You know,
anybody who's complaining about this either way that passionately must
be living a pretty awesome life.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
That's caird Alston.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Have we seen anybody wear this in in the w A.
I don't know if there's any two piece uniforms in
the w A.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
They don't have bow ties, so they can't wear them.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
In the Ivy League they don't match penny loafers apparently.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
I think, yeah, can you make them with a boat
with sailboats on it or a belt with sailboats on it.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Like or a cumber bund? Do they have cumber bunds?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
But it's so great?

Speaker 7 (23:51):
No, I mean, I think Lehigh has a set, but
I don't know if they've worn it in competition. I
could be making that up, but yeah, I don't. Off
the top of my head, I have it's and they
want to wear them, but I mean personally.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
I don't like them. I just don't.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
I just I'm just used to a single it and
that's just how I was. But you know, I, like
Kevin said, I'm.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
An old man.

Speaker 7 (24:09):
I don't really care. Whatever makes them wrestle, good, exciting match,
you know, go for it whatever.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, I love the idea for the youth, like youth tournaments.
It's fantastic. And but you know, generally, when you think
of it, you think of it as you know, kid
who doesn't necessarily want to show off their body, they're
not comfortable with it. Yet you don't think about that
with college wrestlers.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
It is interesting as little.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Clothing as possible, because you know I would too if
I still look like that.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
It is interesting though, like what becomes cool based on
the environment, right, Like I remember wrestling in high school
and we'd go to some extra practices in Michigan's room,
like you know, back in the day in the springtime,
and you'd see these awesome matches with you know, Ryan
Trella and Ryan Berteam battling each other, are wearing Michigan

(25:02):
you know T shirts and then like Spandex shorts, So
then you know what was cool wearing Spandex short to
wrestling practice, Right, That's what we started.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Doing, you know, into them.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, and we were.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Like, that's cool. So, you know, to each his own.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Some people are motivated in different ways, and yeah, that's
that's what we immediately started doing because that's what the
cool kids are doing.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
So downside of that is there's a lot of ass
sweat involved in that, especially for the upper weights. So
I don't recommend it.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
For stay stay below that one sixty five rank.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
You know, some of us outgrew that in fourth grade.
Kevin so.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Heylosten. Wrestlers are trendsetters, no matter how much basketball wants
to steal the pants tucked into the socks. It started
on this side of the world. Ever try that. But
over to the match and obviously UNC they wrestled Greensboro
and you know, beat up on them, But then Illinois

(25:59):
took the match from North Carolina and as you said,
you know, Lucas Bird beat up on Ethan Oakley, which
from from the standpoint of watching Bird against Bailey and
seeing how it was a one point match, seeing him
open up against a rank guy and scoring nine points
getting a major was like, okay, I think maybe that

(26:22):
was a cautious match against Nasir Bailey because he is,
you know, returning all American. He's opening up, right, He's
gonna he's gonna have to open up in order to
beat all of these guys. He's not gonna be able
to beat everybody one nothing. So you know, good for
good for Bird. I love that he was able to
open up and score a ton of points because that's
what's gonna be necessary later on in the in the season.

(26:45):
But overall, I mean, very good duel and Illinois. What
was it? They beat Missouri twenty three to fourteen and
then North Carolina twenty four to fourteen, So very good
weekend for Illinois. Kevi, what you what were your thoughts
on Illinois.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
This whole season?

Speaker 5 (27:03):
They've looked awesome, Like they've looked you know, how something
is like advertised like, oh, this is gonna be great,
you know, and then you're experiencing and it's it's maybe
an eight out of ten of what you expected, Like
they've been a ten out of ten so far this season.
They you know, they've had some areas where they've struggled,
but I think you know, they've had other areas where
they've excelled, right, and they still haven't even had their

(27:25):
full lineup in yet, So I'm going to be really
excited to see what they're able to do. When you know,
Edmund Ruth kind of gets back on track. I think
his he must just be adjusting to one eighty four
versus one seventy four. I think that's because I haven't
seen him be taken down this easily at all last

(27:45):
year or even the year before that for that matter,
because he's struggled a little bit. But no, I mean
they've looked great. Jason Kreser at one fifty seven has
been been excellent for him Ronegal. I mean, he had
the loss against what Sinclair, but other than that has
looked really good this year. So yeah, I'm I'm super
impressed with them, and I think that they can even improve.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
I don't think they've wrestled their best will yet.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, i'd agree with that. And I mean they were
also one of the teams that we hit circle coming
in and said they're going to be very good. They
have a lot of guys that are returning to their
lineup after red shirts and injuries and stuff like that,
and they're they're showing that they are right. They are
definitely flexing on basically everybody that they wrestle right now

(28:31):
and the guys look good. The only thing, like you said,
Edmund Ruth, it's it's weird to see him not be
as offensive or to be taken down at will. Basically,
I mean another loss by him. He just continues to
slide in the rankings. So I think you're You're probably
right where it is an adjustment to the new weight class.

(28:56):
But man, you I hope hopefully he can adjust a
little bit quicker. Maybe he's just undersize too.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
It would sleep on Gnage probably not saying yeah, it's
more so the amount of losses that we're seeing and
how it's just very uncharacteristic, right it's it's I put
Edmund Ruth and TJ.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Stewart in the same boat right now, where it's it's
very uncharacteristic how they're wrestling.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
I don't want to say it's even in the losses
though for Ruth, like he hasn't looked good even in
his wins, like he's We talked about it, you know,
before the season started, they wanted to get his offense
going a little bit more, and clearly his offense is
not If anything gets decreased, I feel like and he's
being taken down at a higher rate. So that's a
bad combination. It tells me that he's adjusting to the weight,

(29:42):
and you know, that's a big weight adjustment seventy four
to eighty four, just in the size and the physicality
of those matches, especially because.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Most of those guys are probably coming down from like
two hundred and two or five.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Right.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Well, and then what was the I'm sorry, Robbie the
head the one night for UNC. Was it heavyweight last year?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
That dropped down?

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Loud?

Speaker 5 (30:05):
Yeah, yeah, Kate Loud. Yeah, that dude was massive.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
He was He's not small, which is the only point
I had on that.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, nobody in his family is small.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I had a chance that whole family are. They're they're
very large human beings.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah. I saw he's what his dad at one of
the duels. It wasn't the baseball duel, but it was
like another duel that I had. I had gone to
at UNC a couple of years back, and his brother
was in the lineup at UNC at that point. But
I saw all three of them together and I'm like,
that is a massive family. Like they're just big human beings.

(30:43):
So yeah, it's it's surprising that he's at one ninety seven,
especially after being up at heavyweight, because they all have
the frame to just be these massive, like manchild type people.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Well, I think that can almost you know, double up
on the roof point right, because bronegle is used to
dealing with guys that big, you know, previously, he's been
at ninety seven for the last couple of years if
you include the Olympic here last year and just you know,
wrestling big recro guys that whole time, so he's clearly
used to bumping up the weight class he probably you know,

(31:14):
should have done a couple of years before anyway, So
you know, maybe that's just the adjustment for Ruth. But
in general there they look good. I think you're right, Ryan,
we were We were right again. We did for anyone else.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Damn it, we did it again. No, I was, like
I said, I was impressed. I was impressed by Gavin
Kane as well, like seeing how how well he's wrestled.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
And it was nice to see him finish a manaturally strong,
because that's kind of been a tougher area for him,
is you know, kind of fading towards the end of
matches and he finished that matter really really well.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, he's he's one of Fretwell's guys. And I can't
remember fret Well when we were at that duel on
the on the baseball field talking about like how great
his defense is. I mean, he didn't end up losing
that match that day, but he talked about how like
if he can really put put it together between offensive defense,
he could be really hard to score on and he

(32:09):
could be really dynamic on his feet. And I feel
like another year in, you know, in the room, especially
with new coaching and new styles and things like that,
and now probably working with big as Kidelut, it's probably
starting to come together for him. Let's move to that.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
So it's not that loss of that. That ballpark was.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Exactly not a bad one whatsoever. Austin, I want to
get you in here talk a little ivy, little little
penny loafers and ascots. Uh in the in the ivy
and uh in the e. I w A. How have
things been been going for the smart guys as you
rock your Harvard?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Good?

Speaker 4 (32:55):
Yeah? Good plug there.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (32:57):
I was like I was at Keystone Classic on Sunday.
I was actually excited because, you know, Virginia Tech. We
talked about them before, a really good team kind of
pulled out a lot of their starters last minute after that,
do what Rutgers on Friday. So the field wasn't as
good obviously with those guys in, it wasn't as deep.

(33:18):
But you know, Penn had three champs and I really
liked that Ju'de Swisher at one fifty seven took out
Johnny Lovett. Sorry claunch at one fifty seven to the
finals there. He's looking good. And Penn had two guys
out as well with a stomach bug came up the
night before, so in Contrara did not wrestle.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Cross was loose.

Speaker 7 (33:38):
Key at forty nine did not wrestle, and I think
Penn took fourth in the team race because you were
missing scoring from two way classes which they would have
had a finalist or champs there.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
But yeah, everything was good there.

Speaker 7 (33:50):
Cornell had their big red invite, okay, and a lot
of starters kind of missing matches there, but some younger
guys were in. We saw Simon Luiz have a nice
win over Brevin Casella Binghamton, so good win for Ruiz
as a freshman, and I thought Columbia looked really good
against Indiana as well.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
They did.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah, I mean, I think they're starting to come around.

Speaker 7 (34:13):
And Donny p has been there for what three months now,
maybe four, and that team's starting to come around.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
And there are still some good guys red shirting.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
And they had a mass exodus with guys graduating losing eligibility.
You know, acc Stoole a lot of those guys, But
that's neither here.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
We just talked about one of them earlier.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
Yeah, so you walk with Robby, But yeah, I think
Colombia's looking good.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Brown hasn't really competed yet.

Speaker 7 (34:39):
Hard to see where they're at with coach Lean, but yeah,
I'm excited for the IVY leagues and I think they're
going to have a good season overall, and I think
they're just going to keep getting better at this rate.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Did I see Brown just had another coaching addition to
a guy and somebody came back, right.

Speaker 7 (34:56):
Yes, yeah, yeah, because Kember left to go to Minnesota,
so they needed a spot to fill.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
And yeah, Dogatto was there.

Speaker 7 (35:06):
I think he was hanging in the area, which just
work in real life stuff, and I think now he's
back on obviously a good workout portner for the lightweights.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
You know, doesn't get much better than that. So, yeah,
it's good to have him back, for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
I always remember his matches with Naishan Garrett. It was
like two cats fighting in an alley. That match was.
Those matches were scrappy, man.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
That comes across my time and every now and then,
and I just I'm amazed at the way that Gotta
was able to scramble out of like blast doubles in
the chest. He's like falling backwards, the grabs an ankle
and rolls like it's unbelievable. The way he was able
to pull some of that off.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
It was completely wild.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Yeah, so fast water bugs.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Those matches were wild. But yeah, I mean you talked
about Columbia two point loss to Indiana already making strides, right,
and this is kind of and this is what we said
about UVU with their new coaching staff, you know, and
Donnie Pritzov. You knew he was going to make a
big impact. The impact that he made it Rutgers was evident,

(36:12):
and you're already seeing the big impact that he's making
on his new squad now that he's like truly running
the show. You know. Goodell even said it was time
for him to be a head coach, and you know
him and Sea Bass have these guys probably working extremely hard,
and not say that they didn't work hard before, but
you know, when you bring in a brand new Olympian

(36:36):
and a guy that coached him, you know at Rutgers,
I think you're going to have a pretty good recipe
for disaster for other teams. And you know, not to
say that Indiana is Penn State, but a couple of
years ago, even last year, this isn't a twenty three
to twenty one duel meet. You know, it's it's a

(36:57):
lot more to a lot little when you look at this.
So I love seeing what's happening with Colombia. Those guys
are coming along. I think, you know, once you get
to later on in the season, you'll you'll have kind
of the the same thing that we had with Wolock
last year, right where they're like, whoa, who is this guy?
Right and and now Wolock is in a Virginia Tech
singlet and he's what fourth in the country right now,

(37:20):
I think you'll have a lot of the same type
of people noticing, you know, the the other and I say,
Carolina Blue singlet coming from Columbia Columbia Is it Columbia Blue?
Is that?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Is that what?

Speaker 3 (37:36):
It still hard to mess up that color scan?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Still hard to mess up that color scan, Still hard
to do it. But no, I think it's awesome. It's
really really good what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
Unfortunately, I liked real quick just comment on that, like
it was. It was interesting having seen them recently wrestle
Michigan and then have the contrast and and you know
kind of and I know, not all dual meets are
you know, created equally, right, the scores can be a
little bit misleading, But still having seen them russell Michigan
recently and then with Indiana, I was very impressed with

(38:07):
how they did.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, agreed, Austin. You mentioned Cornell as well, and a
new coaching staff that that wasn't on the nice receiving
end of things. Is Buffalo as they got shut out
by Cornell? Is is this going to be the Cornell
lineup that we see throughout the year or will they

(38:31):
continue to shake things up guys around? Is this what
we're going to inevitably see? I mean, obviously, you know
there's there's obviously a glaring starter that's that was not
in the lineup for this duel with Shapiro. But besides that,
is this the lineup that that we're going to see

(38:52):
from Cornell?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Well?

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Yeah, I mean Schapiro out with his call rumored concussions.
I'm not sure if that's confirmed. You know, that's the talko.
He hit his head a few weeks ago, so who
knows how long that's out. You know, he's been having
some issues there, you know. What to say that sixty five,
Ramirez didn't wrestle, Foka was out at eighty four. You know,
so a lot of starters haven't really hit them at yet.

(39:16):
Maybe those guys are second semester coming in with limited eligibility,
or you know, they're just not really kind of maybe
on pitch counts being older guys there.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
But yeah, I think Cornell they'll be all right.

Speaker 7 (39:29):
You know, they always kind of have these phases where
they're not looking too hot, you know, and they come
around by March and they'll win a team trophy or
something again, you know, so I think they'll be alright.
A lot of youth in that program in that lineup too,
with like at Mincha Ruiz at seventy four, Dela got
at ninety seven, you know, expect big things out of
those guys. I haven't seen Cornella this year yet at

(39:49):
forty one, but Saunder's doing a hell of a job
filling in there. And you know, maybe he is a guy.
I don't know that yet, so I think they're still
figuring some of those things out. But you know, Cornell
obviously top of the IVY League. But these guys are
you know, Penn, Columbia, Princeton all kind of making gains
there a little bit too.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Cornell's got great hair.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Who's that?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Cornell's got great hair?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
It's true continues when they leave, too.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
It never goes away.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
The speaking of guys that have left Cornell, and I'm
looking at Yanni and Vito right now. Those guys are
kind of beat up. You see. They're both both have
had surgery. I mean obviously Yanni had surgery a while back.
He he has a brace on his shoulder right now,
and Vido's arms in a sling, had his first surgery.
Like man, there's a lot of a lot of beat

(40:45):
up guys in that Cornell lineup right now. I mean,
Shapiro Foca, Who's who's no? I mean, may they gotta
start drink a little bit more milk up there does
get them.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Something in the water up here making everyone weak.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Maybe I tell you where milk's not helping is Wisconsin.
What the hell is going on? Man, Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 (41:08):
There's a lot of there's a lot of people asking
that same question, is what is going on? I mean,
they open up the season with the loss to Ohio
and then they lose to Ryder. Just this past weekend.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
They got spanked by Riders. Though they didn't just lose, Yeah,
they got handled.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, it's it's not pretty in Wisconsin. And obviously they're
missing guys.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
But.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
It wouldn't have made that big of a difference. I
don't think, right like, you're missing two guys. Those two
guys could have maxed out at what twelve points, But
the rest of your lineup is still not is still
very young, still very green, not looking the best like
you need something needs to change, something for sure needs

(41:59):
to change. And I'll never say that Bono and Reader
don't work, don't work their guys hard right like, hell,
it's it's a fight to get out of a hug
with Reader. You got to know that he's beating those
guys up during during a practice. But something I mean,
you can't just equate it to being young, because there's
other lineups that are also young and they just don't

(42:21):
look like they're developing or it just doesn't look good
right now early on the season for Wisconsin, call it
what it is.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, And you would expect, you know, a Big ten
program to have enough depth to be able to put
you know, a decent body out there against you know,
a mid to lower tier MAC team and that wasn't
the case. And that's the second, the second kind of
head scratching loss they've had this year. Something. I mean,
it's a there's something certainly going on and needs to

(42:50):
be looked at.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Agreed, Yes, not great, not great, not great to say
the least. It is not great. All right, let's move
to Minnesota. Gable looks eating. Gable looks enormous. Uh. Piles
tweeted that he waited at two seventy seven this weekend

(43:16):
to seventy seven. Folks. He's large, and I mean, if
you think about it, it may have just been training camp,
but he was in an NFL locker room for a
good amount of time. He's had some time off as well,
where he's doing nothing but training, lifting and eating like
he's gonna get big, but like he's fast too. Like

(43:42):
it's it's wild what football drills did to him, because
in that line of work, you have to be you
have to have fast feet, and you gotta be really big.
And I think what he is showing is that he's
got fast feet and he's really big. And he needed
a minute fifty to win eighteen three in the first

(44:04):
match and then he put it on Tay Gadali and
it was just it wasn't pretty. And Robbie, I appreciate
you you backing me up when I tweeted back at
coach Sentas when when he said, I got to make
sure you guys have time to see your guy. We
check in on Tay every week. Every week we are,

(44:24):
we were on God, we were on Gadali. Watch make
sure that we check in with him. So it wasn't
just because he was wrestling Gable, even though you know
love Gable.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
But we've been the year though, so there's.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Been watching for Tae Diesel since last year.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Mh.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
So yes, but no, I mean it's it's impressive, It
really is. It really is because remember when we said
at the beginning of the year, and I think we
even said it like two weeks maybe a week ago
or something like that, that like gone through the days
of the big heavyweights that don't move well and don't
score a lot of points. Geble's like, yeah, I'm gonna

(45:02):
be big and I'm gonna do all that, right, Like
everything that he does, I'm gonna do too, and I'm
massive while I do it. It's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
It's amazing.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
He didn't lose a step at all, Like you don't.
You don't do that, you know to a guy like hey,
by accident. Right, we just saw him, you know, dismantle Feldman. So,
I mean we we came off of last week seeing
his praises about how great he is, and it's going
to be interesting to see this match. It was not
very interesting for very long, you know, so, but hey,

(45:34):
credit to Gable.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I'm excited to see him back.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
I mean, this is this doesn't look like the version
that we were afraid.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Of seeing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
The version looked like he was just trying to get
through this one last year of eligibility before he moved
on to something else.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
That didn't look like that at all.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
So he looked like he had fun and wanted to
make a statement, and the statement was very much made.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah he looks motivated, for sure. Yeah you would.

Speaker 7 (45:59):
You would expect to see some rusts maybe, you know,
not beat on the mat for a few years, and
now I tweeted out something like it's amazing he just
came back and TechEd an all American like it was nothing.
And you know, this one idiot was like, oh, I'm
not surprised, he's so much better. But it's like, dude,
he hasn't been on the mat in two years. Like
you don't just tech fall all Americans, especially at heavyweight.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
It's just insane.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
There was no ropes to even bounce off of.

Speaker 7 (46:24):
So yeah, it's like, yeah, he might have been training,
but he was also doing WWE, he was NFL, he
wasn't wrestling, you know, like like like God Gotdy Ali
was or any these other heavyweights, you know, and just
to come back in like hey this is still me.
I'm the man here. Everyone else out of the way.
It's like he's a freak athlete.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
It's insane.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, but I mean, I will say that the shitty
takes about Gable being back, they spiked over the weekend
with the clips and stuff where it was you know,
let the younger guys have a chance, you know, And
it's just like, listen, I'm gonna tell you like this,

(47:08):
if I had the chance tomorrow to go and wrestle
and feel really good while competing, there's not a young
guy out there that I'm giving a chance to.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
And I'm thinking about that.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
He's making money. Yeah, he ain't doing it for free.

Speaker 7 (47:30):
You don't know what he's making, but I'm sure it's
good money.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Exactly like you're gonna tell me more. You're gonna tell
me you're gonna pass up that chance and be like,
you know what, No, I've won an Olympic medal, I've
won this, and I've won that. I don't want to
win anymore. No, true competitors want to win everything all
the time. And he had a chance to win again,
He's like, you're trying to tell me that I can
go back and I can use an Olympic red shirt

(47:55):
and continue to win and win another another money and
make money while doing it. Even said during his his presser,
his opening press or, that you know, the first year
of nil was his like like his last year in
the lineup, so like that was the first time that
people could be paid and the dollars in cents were

(48:16):
not adding up the way the dollars and cents are
adding up now. So it's very different. And I don't
I can't find any sort of hate for him coming back.
I don't care, but like the shitty takes of him
if he should give a younger guy a chance, or
this or that, Like you realize that everybody's complicit in this,

(48:41):
Like coach Dagham wanted him back in the lineup, those
wrestlers wanted him back in the lineup, the school wanted
him back in the lineup. Like you're gonna you're gonna
tell this grown man who has a chance to compete
not to compete because there's younger guys that are coming up. No,
there's older guys that get recruited over every single day
for younger guys. He can still do this at a

(49:01):
high level. He's gonna do it. So I'm sorry that
Gable's hard work has upset you all, but that's just
what it is, and you're gonna have to deal with
it because he's gonna be here for this season. You
have another couple of months of watching Gable and then
you can change your take when he's wrestling for the
United States again and he is winning more medals, then

(49:23):
you can be like, hey, we love you. Now we're not,
We're not upset with you anymore, and completely do the
whole flip flop thing that you guys love to do.
When he's wearing a opposing singlet for a school you
don't like, as opposed to the singlet of the United
States of America, it's trash. Yeah, person, No matter what, you.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Don't let the young guys do it when it's the Olympics,
unless you're the young guy you know in Gables instance.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
But no, it's it's great that he's back. He looks amazing.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
It is what it is, and more important than money,
he's making memories, all right, Let's not take that away
from the young man the way you know exactly. I
mean we, Oh, I shouldn't say we, but I I
saw the Rodney Dangerfield movie Back to School.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
That looked awesome.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Who wouldn't want that kidsfield reference to that that's really.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
For the kids, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
But I mean on top of all that, Gable is
making Minnesota a better team as well. They're they're I mean,
we talked about it before, like their entire lineup is
nothing but rank guys. For the first time since nineteen
ninety seven, they had back to back shutout wins. And
you know, granted it's not against high powered Big Ten teams,

(50:44):
but there's been over those years, been times where they
wrestled teams that were of the same caliber as the
teams that they wrestled and they did not shut them out.
So they're making history again. And these guys. You can't
tell me that these guys aren't motivating by being in
the same room with an Olympic gold medalists. If that
wasn't the case, then people wouldn't go to Penn State,

(51:06):
they wouldn't go to Iowa, and they wouldn't go to
Oklahoma State if they're if they didn't like being around
an Olympic gold medalist. Yeah, but what it is. But no,
Minnesota looked great overall and Gable looked awesome as well.
What are your guys thoughts on how his impact is
has really hit this entire Minnesota wrestling room.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
I mean the team.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
I think the team was awesome before he got there.
I'm sure they kind of knew what was going on
ahead of time, and maybe that overlap, you know, just
was showing already, but you know you saw the confidence
and those guys immediately getting upset wins and and you know,
just being good top to bottom again. And then when
you just have trust that a guy can beat anybody
on any day, which I'm sure those guys all do,

(51:51):
then it's just that much more exciting for the culture
to build up and for that that atmosphere to build up,
and for those the fan base to be excited for
every single So you know it's it's snowballs, which is
fitting for Minnesota.

Speaker 7 (52:09):
Yeah, I mean, uh, there's probably I haven't been in
this situation where I was on a trophy team, but
you know, their odds of becoming a trophy team are
exponentially more now.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
So you know that.

Speaker 7 (52:20):
Do you think that's going to be a motivation for
every single guy, not just starter, every single guy in
that room saying, hey, I want a trophy for this team.
You know we had the capability to do it, especially now,
how am I going to contribute to that in March?
You know, I think that that goes a long way.
Just being the leader on the mat kind of carries
to off the mat.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Well, I mean, you see how they moved up in
all the all the tournament rankings as soon as he
was back in the lineup, and it shows you the
impact that he's has just point total wise, and you
know it's going to be a dogfight for you know, two, three,
and four this year. And there's you know, they certainly
of themselves in that conversation with this.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, I'm looking right now at their schedule because the
match I want to see even more so now is
when do they wrestle Iowa? If at all they do that.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
That is one of the weird things where you have
to look at the Big ten schedule and wonder if
teams are going to compete against each other.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Right, they do, and it's on It's on Valentine's Day,
and it is you were a lover boy, it's it is.
And it's in Minnesota too, So I mean a part
of me wishes that it.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
What's that so they can draw hearts in the snow?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, I mean a part of me wishes that it
was in Carver though, because putting Gable in Carver would
probably be a lot of fun. But yeah, it's it's
from what it looks like the last duel of the year,
their last Big ten duel of the year before Big Tens.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
He's gonna have a tough back half of the skit
of the season. He's got an Heinzelman who's supposed to
be in second semester for Michigan, uh Slavakuski, Feldman and Keeter,
so he's gonna have a run before the tournament. So
it's gonna be interesting to see how he can handle,
you know, back to back weeks. If there's any any

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Russ that is still there.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, that is for sure. Yeah, it's it's Minnesota's last
duel of the year. However, it's not I was last
duel of the year. I was last duel the year
is Oklahoma State, which should be fun. Which is five,
which is car that's in Carver, so that that should
be that should be a lot of fun. But yeah,
I mean that I think Minnesota versus Iowa, give me,

(54:52):
give me Iowa, or give me Minnesota and an upset
right now, that's what I'm picking. I think they can.
I think they can pull that one of off, honestly,
just I mean, based on how they look right now
and how they match up. It's very possible. I mean
that match at thirty three is going to be amazing.
Not to look too far down the road, thirty three
is gonna be awesome. Wells versus Ayala is going to

(55:15):
be absolute fireworks, right, Like that's gonna be some shit.
So I don't know. I mean, obviously the heavyweight match
is gonna be good too, But like I think, overall,
top to bottom, that one's going to be a really good,
really good duel.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
There's a lot of good matchups in that duel actually, And.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
That's what happens when all of your guys are ranked.

Speaker 7 (55:33):
Weird, weird works and with teamers potential injury, you don't know.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
How bad that is if he's out for the year. Yeah,
that definitely changes that.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, that was something else I wanted to get to
is you know we can talk Syhawk and you know
Iowa ends up taking that one. I think it was
the twentieth one in a row that they beat Iowa State.
But team are getting injured and he went to Iowa
for one reason, one reason only. Well think there was
more than one reason, maybe maybe two reasons, for several reasons,

(56:06):
uh reasons, several several green reasons. But do you think,
he says, I mean, if the injury is that bad,
and from what I heard, he got an MRI on Monday,
and if it was torn, he was gonna get surgery
or whatever else. I don't know the extent of if
he was able to get if he got surgery or

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whatever else. But I did hear he did get an
MRI or got an MRI. I think maybe like right
after the duel. Actually, if it was torn, he was
getting surgery on Monday. So I don't know. I haven't
heard one way or the other on that.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Anyway, was it near or was it hamstring?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I think it's hamstring. Yeah, I think it's hamstring. But
do you think he goes with a medical and then
tries to come back next year, because if it's if
if it's bad enough, I mean, he's within he's within
that that timeframe.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
He says, he's within the time frame to turn in thirty.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
If he does that too, I can't, I mean think
about that. Though he's injured, he could be he literally
could be out until they wrestle Minnesota in February. That
I mean, realistically, February could be when he can make
his return. It's not gonna it's not gonna be in January.
He won't. He probably won't be there for the Penn

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State duel. If he's. If he's there for Penn State
on January thirty first, I'll be very surprised. I think
at most he's back February seventh, when they wrestle Nebraska.
Possibly it's gonna be introl Taylor.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
It's gonna be really hard for me to be like, no,
you you have you know you can't come back.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
You can't take a medical redshirt. After the conversation we.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Just had, right So, if the guy wants to take it,
take it and come back if it's that bad, you know,
I don't know if if kimro would want to do
that or what his plans would be.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
But uh, I don't know the guy wants to come
back and give it another shot.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I'm more worried about the Iowa accountant. If that's the case.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Yeah, how does that work?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:13):
I was gonna ben, Yeah, I was going to say,
you know, if signs.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Over their stipulations in these signs, he minimum, you.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Can't it like NILK is not it's not incentivized.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
By it's not pay for play incentive. It's not supposed
to be.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Yep, and yeah. But that's the thing is if say
they they they're like, okay, well you got injured and
you are not going to take a medical and you're
going to be out until next year and you're going
to come back. We're not going to pay you until
next year. That's a breach of contract because they're paying
him this nil deal for the twenty twenty four twenty

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twenty five season.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
So you like this not because of his athletic ability,
not for his athletic exactly.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
So he gets injured and says, I'm gonna take a
medical aombie back next year, and then they're like, okay,
well then we don't want to we don't want to
pay you next year. And then he's like, oh really,
because what we have in place says that I get
this amount for this year and if you don't, you

(59:23):
owe me this money. And this I mean, who's to
say that that can't happen we I mean, you just
saw it with the UNLV football player, the quarterback that
was like, hey, I was supposed to get this in
this nil deal was a verbal agreement, and you didn't
hold up. You're endo the bargain he's now hurt. He

(59:44):
wants to be healthy to go win a title. He says,
I don't want to come back, or or the doctor
says you can't come back. What are they gonna do well?

Speaker 5 (59:53):
And that's that's the tough part. I mean, I think
the main thing is that, obviously I assume the guy
wants to compete this year first and foremost right and
to go do what he showed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Up there to do. You know, I'm sure you don't
want to sit out.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
You don't want to take the year off, You don't
want to try to get into the weeds with all
that stuff. At least I wouldn't if I was in
his position, I'd want to just try to you know, hey,
what did the doctors say?

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
What's realistic and what the money looks like?

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I'm sure there's conversations being had around it. You know,
you got to figure that stuff out. It's logistics. That's
what project managers do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah, you find out what Austin does for the first
time and now you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Yeah, at least yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Oh man, sticking in the big ten. The last team
I want to talk about is the team that's at
the top of the heap and that's Penn State and
they and I wrote it in the in our recap,
they really are flexing their depth at this point. And
obviously they always have tremendous depth every single year, but

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this weekend it was just like, Yeah, we're gonna we're
gonna throw a bunch of guys, including our starters, into
this tournament, and we're gonna come away with first, second, third,
or every single you know, placement in this tournament that
you can imaginably think of. But obviously, the two bouts
were fifty seven and ninety seven, and you know, it

(01:01:27):
obviously came out that Kasik and Facundo had wrestled, and
Facundo won that match. And now we're seeing the public
wrestle off and it's just like basic wins. So what
do you think they do? What do you think they
should do? My opinion, I think Kasik should red shirt

(01:01:50):
and Pacundo should wrestle. What do you guys think?

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
And he read shirt?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
He was a true freshman last year.

Speaker 7 (01:01:59):
Was if he wrestles, for if he wrestles attached, he
loses that capability that's only for true freshmen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Or do they change that this year? Because once he
puts on a Penn State singlet. Isn't he attached and
he is?

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
They can they can wrestle. I think everyone can wrestle
in a Penn State singlet. I don't think the singlet
has anything to do with it anymore. But I don't
know if I don't know if he wrestled attached or not,
it doesn't It doesn't designate any of it in any
of the results that I saw, But I think it's
I think it's still on the table for him to

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not wrestle this year and come back next year with
the same amount of eligibility and for Condo take that spot.
I think I don't have a plan or anything, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Should work on that. It has to designate it pretty
clearly on the brackets. If he's unattached. I mean, that
was a big thing with with Treff and being able
to transfer. Is that anything he's doing this semester is unattached.
So interesting to look back through those brackets. I mean,
that's the option. I mean, if they're both there this year,

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there's a realistic chance that one of them is going
to leave next year. We haven't really seen that a
lot in Penn State. But if you have this multi
year lineup crunch that you're gonna have with those two,
there's a possibility that when I'm is gonna go. So
why not make the most of that red shirt ksic
this year? Let the condo go and see what happens,
and then you know, you get to reevaluate after next year.

(01:03:30):
But when you have the depth that they have and
the amount of talent they have in that room, that's
a problem that's going to happen, and that's just so
hard to deal with.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Sorry, well, that's the wild thing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Though.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
This is not the first time they've had depth like this.
You know where they've had this happen. I mean remember
Mason Manville and high school versus Mason Manville in college.
Like that guy never got in the lineup. He was
there the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
He still has eligibility left by the way he.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Come.

Speaker 5 (01:04:04):
I feel like I did hear that the other I
don't remember when, but yeah, I feel like I knew
that for some reason, probably from you. But but you know,
that's the point when Jolie is another guy, right, Joe
Lee as a freshman was in the lineup, but one
sixty five was ranked top you know, fifteen, top ten,
maybe at one point. Never got back in the lineup
after that, So it's not like after this season it's

(01:04:25):
going to be any easier to get past you know
who they have at sixty five and now seventy four
and to fight for that fifty seventh spot. So but
my point is, like I don't see anybody necessarily leaving.
Don't you think they would have done that by now?
I mean everybody kind of had these weird projections about
how jumbled it was going to be before the year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Yeah. But the thing is is, like, did was it
suspected that Levi Haynes would move up or that he
would stay down at fifty seven?

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Like I don't. Obviously no one is privy to those conversations,
at least no one in this room right now. It's
privy to those conversations that are happening in Penn State.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
But like, you know, Bail consults me about everything. I
know what you're done about?

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah, I mean he told us in that press conference
if he figured if he had to figured out, he
probably still wouldn't tell us. So yeah, I mean I
think I I will put my money on Facundo leaving
in like next year. And Oklahoma State is where I

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think he would end up just saying because I like
that if anything, I mean, you know, there's familiarity there
with David Taylor. And then on top of that, I think,
what is it, sixty five will probably be open for
them next year. But man, I this is this is

(01:05:58):
where I'm being a bit of a hypocrie where I
want the young guy to get his chance here, and
you know, not so much the young guy, but like
I want to see Facundo in the lineup again. He
was there once, he was able to make at the
NCAA tournament, didn't place. Basik certainly did that last year

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and was a huge part of why they broke that record.
I feel like Kasik having a year on the shelf
to just wrestle, get stronger, get bigger. He potentially comes
back at sixty five next year or maybe even fifty seven, right,
But like I think that there may be another move

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next year where Levi Haynes is up at eighty four,
messen Brink is up at seventy four, and case it
comes in at sixty five. That's my thought of what
can potentially happen next year. I know we're just starting
this year out, but like with that jumble of a lineup.
It's it's tough to see if this is how the
result a looking. It's tough to see how FACNDO fits

(01:07:02):
into it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
But but you could say the same jumbles going on
at the upper weights, because next year you're going to
have Josh Barr trying to drop down to eighty four
because he's not a natural ninety seven. You know you're
gonna have the Mirosla twins in there then trying to
battle it out up there. So you're it's this is
the trouble with Penn State, right, it's just really excellent
wrestlers trying.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
To compete for that that that white belt. Right, No
sale boats on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Yeah, you know that they have a guy named Carl Schindeledecker.
That's a really cool name.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
That is a cool name.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Never heard of him before, but he's three and six
two years ago. Actually I was leaning more towards shindle
Decker being a cool name.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
But Carl, I guess they're they're both pretty good. I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
I mean you brought up you brought up Bar at
ninety seven. I mean, even though he's not a full
ninety seven. What you say, Kevin coulda fooled me. You
beat the hell out of the mill this weekend, that's
for damn sure, given up one point in the set

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between the semis and finals when you wrestle your teammates
and winning the tournament. Like, he's the other guy that
we thought we would see at ninety seven and we
didn't see him until this past weekend, and they were like, Okay,
well you beat Cochran, you beat Marisola, what's the what's
the deal?

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Like, and that's the Marisola that was the only the
first and only person in these here United States I
was able to take down Aaron Brooks last year. So like, man,
that's if Josh Barr is on that level.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
I didn't say Josh Barr wasn't a good wrestler.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
No, sure, but like I'm saying, like I'm saying, don't
get it twisted.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Yeah for sure, not real good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
But like these guys are who knows. I mean, they
could all be bigger than him, but it's not showing,
right Like it is certainly not showing, you know, from
room to being on the mat. I expected to see
him start the season, and like I said, we hadn't
seen him until Now do you guys put Josh Barr
in at ninety seven or do you stick with Cochrane

(01:09:13):
because I mean I don't I don't know the logistics
behind why Cochran started and why Barr didn't. But like
this is theny indicator of who should start, I mean
should it's it's Josh Barr completely.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
That's the guy. That's how you gotta start.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Just yeah, I mean until proven otherwise, I think that's
that's where you go. Yeah, it wasn't a one score
takedown or you know, one point overtime match. It was
a major decision.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
You know, it's against both of them.

Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
Yeah, So yeah, he tells me he's way above those guys,
which you gotta be really freaking good to be a
major decision better than those two.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
M what's crazy looking at Cochran's b He had two
wins at two eighty five last year. One of them
is was an eight three win over Slavakuski. That's wild, Yeah,
that's wild. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:10:16):
But like we talked last week, Baraclaw kind of set
that action and motion of being you know the quote
unquote backup at penn S Day and then going and
he's the top five, top six guy now at another school.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
So yeah, I think fantastic and is the face of
the program.

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
Yeah, So like why wouldn't anyone else want to do
that and kind of follow those footsteps? You know, you work,
you work so hard, you train your ass off to
be the backup. It doesn't make any damn sense.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Available.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
That's a long time to transfer. Yeah, now he's top fifteen,
top twenty rank guy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
I mean that's that's just the logjam that you that
you get when it's it. But when you are the best,
you are the best team. Guys want to everyone wants
to train with the best team. It's just I mean
you saw it on the freestyle side, Dake Snyder, all
of them left where they were said, I'm going to

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state college. That's what's going to get me better. And
so you know, I don't fault any of these guys
for doing any of that, but like, man, you spend
all this time in the room to be a practice
room guy when you can be a guy that is
winning trophies. And I said it before Donovan Ball. Donovan

(01:11:34):
Ball was and has continued to be Aaron Brooks guy
since he got there. I think he could have certainly
been in that Rutgers lineup, right, he could have been
a guy like that to go to Rutgers and he's
a PA guy, but then not that far go to Rutgers,
go to one of these schools and do well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
I heard recently a conversation around NFL quarterbacks and around
how a lot of the guys we look at now
and are like really high on transferred to college and
how it's a completely different viewed thing now and maybe
wrestling's just behind in that, you know, where it's still
looked at.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Us a little cooling behind in something I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Know, weird.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
Right, Let's let's get let's get ahead of it like
we usually do.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
But you know, I mean that's the thing, the forefront
of innovation.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
Bo Nicks, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
I mean those are just, you know, off the top
of my head, guys who who transferred schools. I think
really of the only like major guys from college, Drake
may I think might be one of the only ones
who didn't transfer.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
You can go back to Baker Mayfield. There's there's a numerous.

Speaker 5 (01:12:40):
Examples, right, So sometimes you just need your opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Exactly. Speaking of opportunity, I want to go back to
the Iowa duel to close things out. There was a
there was a fast car in the Iowa lineup, and
not the one we ever expected to be in the
lineup before, you know, the first one to be in
and that was that was Angelo Ferrari. And he looked
damn good, guys, like, he looked really really good. He did.

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And this is another thing that I wrote about. The
the Syhawk duel was very rem It was basically a
duplicate of last year. Drake Ayala came off a win
to beat a guy that was higher ranked than him
in the Siahawk duel. Then another freshman who we aren't
sure if he's gonna red shirt or not, came out

(01:13:30):
at eighty four and beat a reank guy. Right, So
like there's been I mean, and then on top of that,
Patrick Kennedy lighting up the scoreboard. Last year it was
fourteen thirteen. This year he's getting a tech, right, So
it's like all these same things happened, but like the
most impressive thing was definitely Ferrari coming out and being
a very composed freshman. He did he did a Ferrari

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thing and Showbo did a little bit. It wasn't a
double word split, but it's a little show. But he
looked good. You certainly looked good doing it. What'd you
guys make of that decision? After last year? Was Gabe
Arnold in that same position?

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
You know, if we're talking already about how difficult it
is being some of the top programs and all the
depth you have to juggle, I mean, it's it's tough
for them, but.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
That's that's such a damn good team.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
I remember, for whatever reason, going into the season kind
of being a little concerned about what it was going
to look like, what the culture was going to be,
how that was going to impact or show itself on
the mat because you had so many guys transfer out,
there was a lot of nil stuff going on. They
just seemed like it was going to be weird. And
none of that has impacted them at all. The wrestling
is astounding. They look sharp. Everybody who gets their opportunity

(01:14:47):
is ready to capitalize on it. It's been very, very impressive.
So however they're balancing that in the room is working
so far.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Mike Kellyando look pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
It got the upset with hold On pulled off the upset. Yeah, Now,
I think it's it's all fun and games right now.
It's the beginning of the season, the end of the season.
Who's going to be the guy at eighty four, Who's
going to be the guy at seventy four? That's the
that's the question. Those are the questions that need that

(01:15:25):
need answers because we've seen every variation of it. We've
seen Brands and Arnold, We've seen Kennedy and Arnold. We've
now seen Kennedy and Ferrari. Who's the Who's the team
that's going to get done at seventy four and eighty
four for Iowa? And I mean, truth be told, Kennedy

(01:15:47):
and Ferrari have been the highest scoring bunch of of
the the tandems that we've seen there, So who's to say.

Speaker 7 (01:15:56):
I mean, it makes you wonder too, because gave Arnold
was ought it to be the starter at eighty four,
I mean, like temporary right seventh in the country. He
was wrestling against Bachmann, who's fourteenth, you know, so Tom
Brands must have saw something in Ferrari that says, Hey,
he's gonna go out and he's gonna beat the fourteenth
r and the match wasn't over yet, you know, this

(01:16:17):
was still a pretty competitive duel, right, and to throw
a freshman out there that has never been in Carver
Hawkeye wrestled like that, you know, it says, you know,
there's something to Ferrari being here. And I listened to
Willie and Bosh this morning and Willy brought up a
good point. This Iowa team is scoring a ton of points.
We're not used to really seeing that. It's a little

(01:16:38):
more since Lee de Santo obviously, but you know, after
every every postmatch interview with them, is I got to
score more points?

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
They were all robotic, I gotta score more points. I got.
Now they're actually doing it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:49):
They're exciting to watch, and you know they're putting points
on the board, which is pretty on typical of Iowa,
you know, you know since you know, a few since
years ago, they's changed that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
But really coming together now they look really good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Reed. Yeah, they're they're scoring a bunch of points. They
really are. And you know I mentioned Kennedy getting the tech,
you know, but it's it's all around. I mean Ferrari
was what two, you know, Yeah, like each one of
these guys is scoring points. They're putting a bunch of
points up on the scoreboard, and they are very fun

(01:17:27):
to watch. It's just who is going to be in
the lineup. Who's going to be there one twenty five
as well? I mean they've had some different guys. I
mean they had Joey Cruz in the lineup before, right,
So who's going to be there? But I think more
eyes are on eighty four, seventy four and eighty four
to see how that shakes out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Yeah, the add dimension of it being a Ferrari and
is that going to go quietly if he's not the starter?
You know, we don't necessarily expect the same antics from Angelo,
as everybody's kind of said. He's the more subdued of
the family. But like we've said, there's a pretty high
bar set there. So what are we gonna get if

(01:18:07):
we do we end up seeing him not starting after
good performances like this could be nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you this much. No
matter who they throw out at seven at eighty four
against Penn State, it's a guy that was talking some
shit about Penn State's eighty four over the last couple
of years. And there's gonna be some fireworks, So throw
out Ferrari, throw out Arnold, don't even care. Just make

(01:18:35):
sure that Carter Seracis is the one across the mat
because there's going to be some shit and it's gonna
be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
That is my take, gentlemen, anything else or are we
ready to close things out? You got any other shout
outs or anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Can I squash this thing that Cody sent? So Cody
Goodwin shout out wrestling reporter, football reporter extraordinary sent this
tweet to our group chat, and it very much has
rubbed me the wrong way. So I want to just
squash this now before it becomes, for whatever reason, a
point of discussion. The point was brought up. Let me

(01:19:14):
pull this up that the officials are not calling stalling
because the lower the rate of stall calls you have,
the higher likelihood you will have to officiate in March.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
That's stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
That's real fucking stupid. Yeah, so we're gonna go ahead
and just say no, that's that's not how this works.
Coaches or rank officials. The official rankers rank officials. There's
heads of officials for every conference. There's overall heads of
officials who view the mechanics and take coaches and you

(01:19:52):
into consideration with their feedback. There's a lot that goes
into that. It's not just names pulled out of a hat.
It's not based on a stalling rate. It's there's a
system and generally we get the best officials in March
because of that system. So let's not throw you know,
bandy about these stupid ass accusations and say that's the

(01:20:12):
reason that stalling calls are lowered.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
So it just doesn't seem right like it it like
we we get really stupid takes and I think we've
probably made them as well, but like none like the no,
nothing like this where it's like the less stalling calls
are ref makes the more likely he is to be

(01:20:36):
at NCAA's why really.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
Well, think about like I could just name officials and
be like that guy calls stalling all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
It's pretty good turns out, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
So yeah, I'm gonna come all bullshit just from my
own memory.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Worked.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
The funny thing, yeah, the funny thing about the tweet
in question is that the end of the tweet says
this is how it works. As it's like a matter
of fact, this is how it works. Stop it, Just

(01:21:20):
stop it. You you don't actually think that, Actually maybe
you do. Maybe maybe you do actually think that where
we're in a world where if you say something with
your chest out and you sound confident when you say it,
people are like, yeah, that's a damn good point. I'm
not one of those people. That's really stupid. That's dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
You have to say it in two hundred and forty
characters or less.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Jesus, that's real stupid. Done, that's dead. No, that's not
how it works, not how any of this works.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Any language that I that I could speak, it would
all come out to just being stupid, just dumb.

Speaker 7 (01:22:02):
Moron, Robbie, I did send that tweet that your reference
to someone I know that is a division one ref.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
And because I saw him on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
No, not him, someone else I know. But they said
they do track those things for each ref.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
But yeah, they track everything they do.

Speaker 7 (01:22:20):
But I don't think that translates to less stall calls,
means your chances of going to ncs are better. But
I'll do some digging and get back to you. But yeah,
it just seems silly on the face.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
Adam guests.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
I will make I will make two calls tomorrow in
Virginia and in the ACC. We have been blessed with
some fantastic officials. One of them big keen officials, j R. Johnson,
just moved from from by Me down to Blacksburg and
Micha M. Korbick is the head officials. So I saw
him on Sunday. We can have this chat. Let's let's
clear this up. That is a stupid logic. It makes

(01:22:54):
zero sense. Why would you want officials who aren't calling
stalling at the highest level in the most you know,
the tournament with the biggest.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
They should be called.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Yeah, when there's thirty six thousand people yelling stalling at you,
that that also that's part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Yeah, tons and tons of stupidity. But that's what happens
in sports. There's a lot of stupid takes. And I
will be completely honest and say that I'm part of
that that crew where I will have a stupid take
from once.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Are all good and always never I'll never be that bad.

Speaker 5 (01:23:32):
I saw one two weeks ago about how the Bears
were gonna win the NFC and ART this year or
something like that, and I was I don't even know
who it was by, but I was like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Was gonna say it was it Jacob Warner.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
This is why I stopped watching.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
David Warner loves his bears. I love it. I love Jacob.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
I wasn't. Yeah, dude, Warner is so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
He's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
I love Arner.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
He's a good dude. He's a he's a good dude.
I love Jacob Warner. But no, gentlemen, I got I
got nothing else.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
As always a very good conversation with you, fellas. This
will be the last show. I shouldn't say that because
we're gonna do another show next week after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 7 (01:24:13):
What.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
I hope you guys have a great Thanksgiving. It is
officially the favorite time for heavyweights and the least favorite
time for a one twenty five. So let's let's enjoy
some good meals. If you guys are cooking like I am,
don't burn anything and specifically your house down, and enjoy
your family. So gentlemen, as always, I appreciate you, and

(01:24:34):
have a happy Turkey

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Day, Happy Thanksgiving.

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