September 5, 2024 • 57 mins
During this week's conversation the crew gives their take on Pursuit Wrestling's video telling kids about being held back, whether or not Bo Bassett is doing too much and what the future of NIL in wrestling could look like.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Internet Wrestling Podcast. We've got Robbie, Kevin,
and Austin along with myself here to bring some of
the nonsense and talk about some of the nonsense that
we've seen lately. And I may not.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Even kick off this. Let me kick off this nonsense.
Go ahead, Earl Smith, you and I we're gonna have words.
You be smirched the good vest wearers of this country,
and I do not appreciate it. So I'm gonna sit
here in my Uva vest shout out to Jenny Iolo,
(00:35):
big thanks, love me some Io family. JL had back
points on vaccine. Let's just throw it out there.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Not too.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, Earl was talking some mad shit about VEST in
our group chat today, So when I see him next
time I go up to Northern Virginia, we're gonna have words.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So we're it sounds like we're in the feelings of
the a CEC right now, where Robbie has started off
as a complete homer. I'm not saying I disagree. I'm
not saying I disagree with any of the statements you said.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I will I will fight anyone who says that Jay
did not have back points. That is some straight bullshit.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I Hey, listen, I'm not I'm not saying you're wrong.
I'm saying that I that I agree with it, but
I didn't expect you to go full on Homer as
soon as I hit record. But I'm okay with it.
So we're just we're just gonna keep rolling with the
nonsense and the nonsense of the I guess the flavor
of the month. We're only what four days into September,
(01:36):
and the way that we ended August and rolled into
September was with breaking mead of what is it pursuit wrestling?
I think it's called going full just I don't even
know what well just it was just dumb like and
I honestly I thought he was kidding. I didn't think
(01:56):
that he was. When I saw the video, I was like, Okay,
he has this rapport with his with his wrestlers, which
I've had with coaches over the years, that you can
say certain jokes and you can joke around and this,
that and whatever. I hated the fact that he started
it off with Carter Serachi's making one point two to
one point three million, don't pocket watch It's the dumbest
thing ever to do.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Also love that he got corrected by an eight year old.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That was fun.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, right, But like the the way that it segues
from that into you should be held back. First of all,
you use Carter Serachi, who wasn't a holdback, who was
eighteen when he won his last Pennsylvania state title. So
there's there's that piece of information. He also threw in
(02:41):
there that there's now thirty scholarships up for grabs. Let
me just let everybody know, not one team is going
to hold a team a roster of thirty scholarships. It's
there's not thirty skollies that are up for grabs on
any team football wise. There's not one hundred and five
that are up for grabs for football when these rules change.
(03:03):
So you go from pocket watching to bad information to
in my opinion, a terrible influence. And it like right,
it like it was just it just went from bad
to worse. And like I said, I originally thought he
was kidding, Like you can go in any wrestling room
and see jokes and whatever else. You guys are parents
(03:24):
and coaches, and we've been in tons of wrestling rooms.
We've seen it. But then I saw the video where
Files said he reached out to him, good on piles
to do your due diligence and just be like, hey,
what's what's the story behind this? And apparently he doug
his heels in and he thinks that it is his
position and it's his responsibility to tell a kid whether
(03:51):
or not he should be helped back. And I'm I'm
I'm gonna I'm gonna let Robbie hold back a little
bit from now. I'm gonna start with Kevin as a dad,
because I know how Robbie already feels about this. Austin's kids,
You're you're my kids are non existent right now, so
I don't really have much of a sayge. I think
it's stupid all in itself. But Kevin, I want to
hear your take on when you saw this video and
(04:14):
then when you heard that it wasn't a joke. And
you know, as a parent, as a dad, as as
a as a coach, whose job is it to tell
a kid that he should be held back?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I mean the teacher, I would think in some level
of collaboration with the family and understanding what has gotten
in there, what efforts have been made to make those changes,
and figure out a way for that student to progress
at the academic level that they need to.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Or not.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Obviously, the you know, that's like the second level. The
first level is is like club youth club coach, you
go there first and you figure out, you know, what
sort of actor or athletic advantage can my know, ten
year old third grader have if we hold him back
a couple of years. Right, It's it's the Happy Gilmore plan.
We made the joke in the group chat, but that's
(05:09):
what it is. It's insane, like, of course Happy Gilmore
is better at dodgeball. He was a grown man.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Billy Madison.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Billy Madison, my apology, Billy Madison, not Happy Gilmore, My apology, Sorry,
Sir Adam Sandler. But yeah, I mean it's it's it's
that plan. It's ridiculous. It's I I was disgusted. I mean,
I can't. I can't throw out that many more frustrated terms.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
What if your kid comes home and says, my coach home.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
We're we're immediately looking for a different club. There's enough clubs.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I'm having words with that coach first though, before we
started looking for it.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, how dare you like that's insane?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, don't talk to my kid about any Yeah, that's
not what we're here.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
For, you know. Yeah, Robbie, you had you had a
take that you said on Twitter where you kind of
went with as a parent and a teacher in this
regard the craziness of this one. Have you ever have
you ever had conversations like this with any student or
have you guys ever talked to any of your athletes
(06:17):
like this.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, I've had conversations with students about this. So what's
preface this. I've been a high school teacher and coach
and worked with high school middle school age kids for
the last twenty years. I'm a special ed teacher by trade,
I guess by profession, so my day to day interactions
(06:40):
with kids who are lower than the typical high school student,
it would be in a situation like this With that
in mind, it's a fucking terrible take. And it's not
your position as a as a club coach who has
no bearing on their education, probably knows nothing about their
education or their their level of functioning in school to
(07:03):
have that conversation with them, joking or not. And that
when I first saw it, I thought, you know, maybe
he's just joking around with these kids. He's got a Yeah,
you know, for some reason, this is a weird joke
that he's got as a club coach. I don't and
I don't find the humor in it, but you know,
teach his own I guess, but something as you know, Yeah,
that's he shouldn't try to be funny. As a parent,
(07:26):
I would I cannot express to you how angry I
would be if my sin, one of my sons came
home and said, you know, Dad, my coach said that
I need to get held back. Well, does he know
a fucking thing about how you're doing in school? Does
he know that you're a better reader than he probably is?
(07:46):
But yeah, let's not let's not play these games. This
is this is a kid's actual future. And you know,
in regard to the thirty scholarships that he was misinformed about.
I got messages from three different coaches, not even just
as coaches, with three different coaches saying, this guy has
no idea what he's talking about or how this is
going to work. Anybody who thinks there's gonna be thirty
(08:08):
scholarships is fucking stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So it's sadly mistaken, Like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So I apologize for language. We're gonna have to put
the explicit uh tag on this one.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Robbie's hit his threshold. But I'm glad that we did
it in the beginning so that the rest of us
we can be completely completely clean the rest of this conversation.
But yeah, I mean, I hear you like he's he's
completely wrong about all these things. And like I said, Austin,
your your kids are still young, and now that you've
heard everybody else's takes on these things, and even mine,
(08:41):
I was I started school early. I graduated high school
at seventeen. I didn't start I didn't start school, and
I started as a four year old, you know, in kindergarten,
and then I graduated seventeen. I turned eighteen in October
of my freshman year of college. So for me, I mean,
I'm completely satisfied with the athletic career that I had.
(09:02):
What I have liked a couple more championships, sure, but
I was fortunate enough to win a championship in every
single sport that I ever played growing up and had
very high level people. Well, I mean that's the thing,
is like it I guess it's probably more of a
of a hat tip to my teammates than it is
to me. But like you know, you have you have
(09:23):
those really great experiences.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But I say all that to say, this is alsome.
Your kids are young. How many years are you going
to hold them back?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Now?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Now that you know all the takes and you know
how terrible all of these things mandates?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Two years?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, my kid is right now,
twenty twenty forty. I made him twenty forty two. So
I took his advice and doubled it. Now all hold
them back two years? No, but all seriousness, I was
actually one of those holdback kids. But it wasn't in
grade school. It was preschool. Yeah, so that like it
(09:59):
was decision that was made before any athletic talk was
even introduced and any really educational value was introduced. And
that came from my grandparents who held back my uncle.
It just they my dad and my mom decided, you know,
my uncle was really mature for his age and it
helped out him, so maybe that'll help out our son too.
And it just happened.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And just couldn't throw a ball until he was six.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I mean, I thought I was left you I learned
I was righty eight, you know, but yet I because
a little more mature, and you know, I felt that
a little bit growing up. But you know, like it
doesn't matter. Everyone's everyone's throwing an individual right real quick.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Just to comment on that too, that that is like
common with with preschool, right, I know, like there's a
whole separate like young fives thing where it's like, you know,
they're they're not quite ready for kindergarten, they're going to
be ready, and again that that decision is never made
with the consultation of the youth coach.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, of the club coach for that club coach, of
the the completely optional coach. Let's let's let's be honest,
like club coaches are optional. I mean it may seem
in you know today where everyone's like, you know, you
have your your normal coach and you have your club
coach where everyone is going to a certain club, right,
But like the club coach is optional. You can play
(11:22):
multiple sports. You can be a multi sport athlete. It
is okay to do wrestling during wrestling season and maybe
do a couple other sports outside of that and then
go play baseball or go run track, or go play
football or like it happens guys like it is okay
or a wrestler to not just be a wrestler. The
(11:44):
number of offensive linemen in the NFL who wrestled is incredible.
Tom Brady's favorite lineman in Tampa was a high school wrestler. Like,
let's call it what it is here, you know, So no,
I I, I, I know, I kind of put that
one on a tee and I knew how how much
(12:05):
we all hated that take, but like it needed a
little bit more discussion to have some nuance with people
who are parents and teachers and coaches. You know. I
was a coach for a number of years as well,
and I was just like, that's never something that even
crossed my mind, and and or any of my friends
for that matter that are coaches. That it was just like, yeah,
(12:28):
we're we're gonna hold him back and you know, make
sure that he's good. Like it was just not a thing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So I think that kind of comes across to me,
is it's not something you hear school coaches saying, high
school coaches, middle school coaches. Yeah, and not necessarily just
in wrestling, but like it's more of one of those
I feel that it's more one of those like this
is a youth coach who thinks, you know, because he's
(12:58):
a good youth coach, who's gonna know what's right for
the kids moving down the line, when he doesn't really
have an understanding of the progressions that they need to make,
you know, off the mat or off the field, whatever
it is. And I mean, like Kevin said, it's not uncommon,
and like Austin situation, it's not uncommon at all for
young kids to be held back. It's a lot easier
(13:19):
to identify their developmental milestones and if they've hit them
or not than it is for you know, an eighth
or ninth grader, seventh, fithh graders to be held back
before they go to high school. Like, that's a whole
different I mean, there's so many more variables that go
into that, and I think it's a disservice to all
those kids to be a choking about that and be
(13:40):
the fact that he doubled down on it just blows
my mind. And I think, I mean, that's a bigger
conversation about people wrestling not changing their minds with when
they're presented with good evidence. But all these people who
have a better understanding of this situation.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Than you do.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Are are weighing in on this and telling you, you know,
giving you good reasons why this is not a good
idea and how it's probably harmful to the kids in
the long run, But you're gonna double down and say
it is your position and it's the right position, and
you're not going to be swayed.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It just it blows my mind that that people can
become so entrenched in something that they're so clearly wrong about.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have anything bad to say
about holdbacks like that is one thing. I don't think
any of us are against holding a kid back if
it's it's appropriate, even I don't even at any situation.
I don't care what your excuse is. You want to
hold the kid back for athletics, that's between you and
your parents, right. But I think he is wrong in
(14:42):
this sense where he thinks it's his responsibility to have
that conversation with the coach and it's not the parents
responsibility to do that or excuse me, have that conversation
with the kid, and not the parents' responsibility to have
that conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
On social media and and yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like that was the thing is like you you puffed
your chest out, and then you know you're seeing videos
where he's complaining that a guy wouldn't fight him at
a trampoline park, and it's just like, okay, starting that one,
starting to see yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
One at a trampoline park recently.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I'm just yeah, you're starting to kind of see the
mentality in the videos that are being posted. And it's
one thing to have your own opinions, and I'm fine
with it. I don't have to agree with it. But
(15:34):
when you feel that it is your responsibility to do something,
to make a decision for a kid and you're not
his parent, that's where you got to draw the line.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
It just is from a position of influence and authority
over kids who don't know any better.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Too, Yeah, because you ultimately start to sow doubt in
a kid's head, like that kid was held back a year.
You weren't held back a year. You see how much
of an advantage he has over you, Like, no, that's
not how we have. We have weight classes for a reason.
You get to a certain point where it doesn't matter
how many years you were held back. You step on
the scale, and if you get your ass kick when
(16:13):
you get on the mat, you get your ass kick
when you get on the mat. Like it doesn't it
doesn't really yet, Like it doesn't matter whatsoever. Right, Like,
a kid can be a senior wrestling. I can remember
so many guys that when we were in high school,
a senior wrestling one oh three back then against some freshmen,
and it didn't it didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
It does.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It doesn't matter when you get on the mat. You
just got to wrestle. Right, how many years a kid
is held back doesn't really make much of a difference.
So the correlation of there's there's so much opportunity out there,
and you should be held back so that you can,
you know, seize the opportunity. Well, what if you're held
back and you missed the opportunity. What if you're held
(16:55):
back and you get injured and those opportunities are gone.
What if you get held back in the weight class
that you thought you would be in you can no
longer make and since you were held back, you missed
that year of possibly competing in a weight class where
you could have been strong at. So there's so many
different factors in this that I was just like scratching
(17:17):
my head when I saw Like I said, when I
saw it, I had multiple people send it to me.
It was in multiple group chats and obviously was all
over Twitter and everybody was given their takes and stuff
like that. But like, the thing for me was the
amount of people and the amount of coaches who I
respect that had a take on this that just said
(17:39):
it was flat out wrong for him to point to
kids around the room and say, you didn't listen to me,
You should have listened to me, or you know, you
were too dumb to do this. Like, I get it,
I had way rougher coaches growing up than this kid
will ever be. But it's not it's just not your place,
(18:01):
and it's it's trying to bring a college mindset of
who should red shirt and who shouldn't into an elementary
classroom essentially, and it's just it just ain't right in
my opinion. Any other thoughts before we move on to
the next.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Thing, Say, it is kind of cool to be the
first person in your grade to get your driver's license
in high school. That's that's one benefit you know of that.
But yeah, yeah, docs, yeah chokes, oh jokes. Aside, it
was because that guy comes across my algorithm once in
a while, and some of the technique stuff he shows is,
you know, pretty solid stuff. And this guy in college
does it cool. Yeah, he seemed like a decent guy.
(18:37):
And then this one came up. And then I went
on a you know, a rabbit hole of some of
these other ones, and I was like, oh, yeah, I
must only see the good ones that come across my
timeline because there's something in there that like, what is
he talking about?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, And maybe I missed the parents coming and defending this,
the parents of these wrestlers defending it and saying he's
a great coach, we love him, whatever, whatever. Maybe I
missed that stuff, but I didn't see it. I saw
a lot of people saying, this is at a bounds,
you're across from the line. This isn't a conversation that
you should be having with kids of this age, and
(19:15):
you shouldn't be broaching that sort of conversation, right, So
it's not.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
A public forum and posting it all over and like
I don't feel like the same thing, like if you're
calling effectively, you're calling like it dumb on international just
putting that out there. There's so many things that are
wrong with that. I mean, I'll happily go to the
trampline Parklin Park.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well, you guys are closer to the state that he
lives in than I am. But I don't know. Let's
let's let's move on to some other new age stuff.
And that is the the marketing that we're seeing coming
from from Bo Bassett, and a lot of people have
a lot of things to say about how he he's
(20:00):
going about his recruitment. Every Wednesday there is an update,
there's less logos on the graphic, there's a newsletter, he
has his own website, he's doing technique, He's doing a
lot of different things to monetize his name, image and likeness.
And the thing is is he's been doing this before
Nil was really truly a thing. Bobasseid has had his
(20:24):
own website, his own podcast. He's been doing all of
these things for a very very long time. And I think,
you know, we talked about this before when it was
brand new, when that graphic still had seventy logos on it,
when we talked about it. My take has kind of
(20:45):
changed on it, where I think I've softened because I'm
always going to be more for the athlete than I
am for really anybody in any sport when it comes
to athletes getting what they deserve. And he's not breaking
any rules, he's not doing anything wrong. I think he's
(21:06):
just annoying people, I think is really what it is
because every Wednesday he's in their news cycle. But as
a content professional that I am somebody who has literally
been doing things content wise and media wise for probably
just as long as bo Bassett has been alive, which
(21:27):
which is crazy to think. He's doing a great job honestly,
and I have to kind of tip my hat to
him where he has a great cadence of things, he
has people tuning in, he has he's able to monetize things.
So I think he's doing an incredible job and I'm
(21:48):
starting to kind of like it. And maybe I'm starting
to kind of like what he's doing because I see
how much people are hating on what he's doing. But
it's it's like any other thing, right, like the NFL.
Every single day you see something from the NFL. When
it's basketball season, you see something you know right now,
think about it. Kitlyn Clark, you see you see her
(22:09):
face every damn day. So like we have athletes in
every single sport whose name, image and likeness, whether it's
them putting out or the media putting it out, that
are doing their own job. Bo Bassett has taken complete
control of his own narrative. Where Like I said, we
(22:30):
see Kitlyn Clark all the time, She's not in control
of her own narrative. Bo Bassett is. And I think
that's the most fascinating thing. Is like somebody who isn't
even in college yet is going to go off to
college and enter some business school or some you know,
journalism school or whatever else, some marketing marketing major and
(22:50):
have all of this knowledge of things. He's already done.
And I think that is incredible. So I think I'm
softening on it. Where like I said, like originally I
was like, man, this is gonna get to me. But
like as I've seen him do more and more and
not for nothing, I think we can all narrow it
down to a couple of schools that we truly feel
(23:12):
are going to be his top five at the end.
But the way that he's gone about it, for me,
I'm just like I like it. And Austin, I want
your take because I know you were the you were
the old man shaking his fist at the clouds the
last time we brought this up. Has have you changed
your mind on this or has it become more annoying
(23:34):
for you as well?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
I don't know if I was the old man shaking
the clouds. I think I played the fence a little bit.
I was maybe on both sides of it, Yeah, to
put it fairly, but no, I like what like you said,
it's he has to be he's making money doing it, right,
He's not doing it because yeah, he likes it obviously,
but he's not doing it just to do it. Like
(23:58):
I'm sure he is getting a lon of ties, he's
getting his name out there, he is getting his story
out there. And kind of pigback what you said. It's
it's experience for the future, you know, getting into classes.
He's going to know what all this is. It's going
to be a brief for him getting into school. And
if for some reason this resting thing doesn't work out,
he has a career already lined up, you know, to
(24:20):
whether it's consulting and coaching or doing something with this
side of it. So yeah, it's all good stuff. And
I said, I think I'm coming around more towards liking it.
You know, I'm not as old as I maybe once
was what I said originally, but I think it's good
for the sport. I think more people are going to
follow it. My only concern is, I think I think
(24:42):
we talked about last time too, there might be some kids,
maybe not as newsworthy, trying to do replicating what he's doing. Right,
Bobastt is a talent that comes around once every so often,
and stud I think too high school kids are going
to be trying replicating this when maybe it's not quite
as maybe not deserved or not as required we know
(25:03):
from the resting people.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
So I think that's that's a downfall of it too.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Everyone's going to try and replicate this when not everyone's Bobassett,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Agreed, And I've kind of gone the other way on it.
Like initially I was it was like whatever, but I've
I think it's bothered me the more it's gone on.
And I think, you know, with that being said, Boat
is a phenomenal talent. He's certainly special in a lot
of ways. He does a great job getting himself out
(25:34):
there with the podcast, with the videos, with the workout
stuff that he's done for years. But I think what
bothers me about it is that it feels disingenuous.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And I think this point right now, you mean or
initially still both.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I mean to.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Let's be honest, most of the schools on the list
never had a chance with him. We know that there's
you know, blue chip recruits are are going to be
locked into a certain subset of schools and it's it's
you know, unless there's some super connection with them with
with a specific school, Like you know, Kyle Snyder had
(26:18):
a good chance of going to Maryland because he practiced
there a lot, worked out there a lot, ended up
going to a blue book program, right, But with there's
connections like that, that makes sense. The same reason he
has Johnstown on there. He's from Johnstown. I mean that
makes sense that that stays on there. But is he
going to a D two school, Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And the fact that like it continues to go on
and there's still multiple schools on there that we know
you're not going to. We know you're And the fact
that I know a lot of those coaches have never
actually talked to them, despite the fact that they reached
out to him. So let's let's not act like it's
it's real that you're actually considering these schools. Like I
like the stick, I like the idea of you knows,
(27:00):
I'm putting my recruiting out there and being open about it.
But let's not let's not play a game with it.
Let's be real about it. Let's talk about the you know,
five to ten schools you're actually interested in, and let's
get good information about how you're getting recruited and what
the process actually looks like, not you know, buttered up
with some nonsense. You're not going to Sacred Heart. Let's
come on, nothing against them, but Bo Bassett is not
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going to Sacred Heart. And to have them on the
list initially, it's just it's it's silly and I don't know,
maybe I'm the old man yell you get the class now.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean there are certain schools that you just know,
didn't They don't measure up when it comes to what's
what he's looking for and what's needed. So I feel
you on that regard. You know, it's it's almost become
like an episode of the Bachelor, where who's who's going
to get a rose this week? You know what I mean.
Like and like I said, I love him. I think
(27:52):
he's an awesome kid. I think he's a great hard
worker both on and off the mat. It's just I
think you're right about that. But like I guessaid, I've
softened on it because I'm just like, he has people captivated.
He's giving people a glimpse into what his world is,
more so than what we normally see for a recruiting period.
(28:14):
The recruiting period opens and it's open season, and it's
this long episode of like I said, the wrestling Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
But I would love for that to be more genuine,
Like that would be awesome, that it would be. It
would be really cool for people to actually see what
their creating process looks like, and for people who haven't
seen it up close or haven't gone through it to see,
you know, what those calls look like, what the interactions
look like, deciding between Whisch schools to take your official
business too, Like it's a it's a really interesting process,
(28:45):
but the level of not reality around it is it's
it makes it tougher for me, Like I'd love it
for to be more real. Yeah, especially with a guy
like that who's who's so marketable and speak so well
and handles himself so well, Like I've been impressed with
him in their interactions I've had with super nice kid.
(29:06):
But let's be let's be real and if you want
to get people a real picture of this and you
want people to be open about it, then let's show
what's really going on and be honest about it.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah, it would be cool to have a like a
weekly update of Hey, I talked to coach X from
this school.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Here's what we talked about.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Here's my pros about this school, here are some cons,
and here's why I'm thinking about going there. And you know,
leave nil and stuff out of it, because I think
that's between him. But you know, I think it would
be good to get an inside scoop on what some
of these coaches are offering, what they're saying, and you know,
what his thoughts are as a student athlete, you know,
getting wine and dying by these guys, and what his
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thoughts are in the process.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I think that would be awesome to do as well.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I feel like the clouds, Robbie, that you're shaking your
fist at are shaped like a digital clock that reads
four fifty eight AM.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
I don't know, man, I'm all in on this. Like,
the kid's doing what he wants to do, and he's
having fun with it. And obviously, again like if the
results match up with what he's trying to do, which
they have consistently, I have no problem, you know. I
just I was trying to think about it too. I mean,
you know, I think about my nieces who are are
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a little younger than that, but like, I'm just trying
to think about what they do, and they're all doing
social media, digital stuff. They're recording these videos and recreating
movies that they've seen or seen from it or whatever,
and trying to get those rights so that they can
post him out there. They're just having fun with it.
And you know, granted, this is a little bit more
directed and results in a little bit more uh you know,
(30:48):
monetary success, and and obviously he's got a much larger
platform than you know, my relatives do. But with that
being said, you know, he's not the first who's been
in the wrestling media avenue and has had some success. Right,
I was just thinking about it. I was like, yeah,
it was home man advantage with you know, Sam Herrig
(31:09):
and Jude Swisher, who again aren't weren't necessarily at the
same level that Bo Bassett is, but still like those
guys have gone on to do their own things, and
it was just kids who really loved the sport trying
to have fun with it and be in the media environment.
So I don't know, man, I'm not shaking my fist
at anything. I'm too old to worry about what this
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kid's doing with his time. You know, I got dishes
to take care of and through kids on my own
to worry about. So I don't know, man, I like
what he's doing. He seems to be having fun. He's
not hurting anybody. It's probably fun.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It's probably a good thing, honestly for him to post
stuff and see people getting but hurt about it and
you know, posting crappy comments and being mature enough to
handle it. You know, that takes some repetition and practice,
just like anything else does.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
So he made like a dark board out of the
picture of all the schools he just throws it at
to get rid of every week.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
That'd be cool, Yeah, I'd like to see how good
he is at darts. Let's post our videos and then
he's like I pretend I didn't hit that school.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That school still.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Off just keeps bouncing off.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, I just I'm in on it, man.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Like I said, I I I originally I think I
think I was of the mindset that Robbie was in
the beginning, where I was like, Okay, we know that
a lot of these schools aren't going to happen. They
don't have the resources, they don't have the money, they
just don't have it, right, they don't measure up. So
why are they on there?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
And he's got to stick to the bit.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I get it. I get it. Yeah, and and and
that's what I'm saying, Like, I can't see him going
to even like you and I, Right, I couldn't. I
couldn't see him going there, even though Schwab. If I
was him Schwab, they'd be in my top five immediately, right, Like,
But I just can't. I can't see him being there.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
One.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I can't really see him leaving the East Coast. I can't.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Probably doesn't like to have exercise balls thrown at him either.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, those those big red balls they've they've kind of
they made a name for themselves in their own right.
But yeah, I can't see Bo even leaving the East
coast and.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
In Pennsylvania though, uh yes, if if you yes, Cornell
is on there, Princeton is on there. Yeah, not too far,
but but still, like I mean, I think Cornell is
is there. I mean, Ohio State is still on that
on that graphic. So I don't think he goes too far.
I think he goes within driving distance of getting home.
(33:52):
But yeah, I I so Pennsylvania. I do think he
would would leave the state. But I think every single
one of the you know, blue chip recruits coming out
of Pennsylvania is going to hope that they get a
call from Kele Sanderson. You know, let's let's just call
it what it is. Like, he's he's one of the goats.
You're going to want to get a call from him.
(34:13):
It's just like wanting to get a call from John
Smith back in the day, is now wanting to get
a call from David Taylor. You know. So I I don't,
I don't. I don't know if it'll end up at
penn State. I have no intel whatsoever on on you know,
where Bo Bassett is going to be going there. Yeah,
(34:35):
but I I don't. I don't see him leaving the
East Coast, just like to call it what it is.
And you know, obviously the resources, the partners, the you know,
the support, the school, and then the ni L which
I want to dig a little bit more into. Realistically,
is is going to be a factor for Bo Bassett.
(34:58):
But it's kind of they yet to be seen, right
And And like I said, I do think he stays
on the East Coast. I don't think that he heads
out to Oklahoma State. If he does, I wouldn't be
I wouldn't be shocked, you know what I mean. David
Taylor is there, you know. So for a lot of
these guys that are in high school right now, they've
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grown up watching David Taylor, just like David Taylor grew
up watching Kale, you know what I mean. So I
think that that's going to be there. But like I said,
I think it's a it's a it's a race between Ornell,
Ohio State, Penn State. Trying to think, yeah, yeah, I
(35:40):
think they're they're they're they're five b in in that
in that regard you want to do something funny real fast.
I was on the list too, But I don't think
he goes there.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
When I go to the Home Man Advantage podcast, and
I go to about the website and I go to
about him A. One of the comments on here, there's
two thought about him. A. One of them is from
Bo Bassett July ninth, twenty nineteen. It says, what's Upstam,
it's Bo. So he's been in the game for a minute,
all right, this isn't a new thing he's started.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, and and I don't. I yeah, he has definitely
been doing these things. I can remember when I first
saw him shooting a video in his in his like
in his room, and I'm like, this kid is about
it and he, you know, had tiny little squeaky boys,
and I'm like, this kid loves wrestling. So but yeah,
(36:33):
I think I think I was gonna be on that
list of course as well, but yeah, I think it's
a Cornell, Penn State, Iowa. These are my guesses. Ohio
State and Oklahoma State is what I think his top
five will be. And in five B i'd be yeah,
will be Johnstown. But it's in no order. Like I said,
(36:54):
I have zero intel. That's just me looking at the
graphic and saying, I think this is you know, this
is where he could put end up. I don't see
him taking Iowa off of his list just because it's Iowa.
I don't see him taking Oklahoma State off his list
because it's Oklahoma State. But for me, I think it's
I think it's either it's either Penn State, Ohio State,
or Cornell will be the top three. And that's, like
(37:17):
I said, I'm just kind of I'm throwing darts at
my dartboard right now thinking what could potentially happen, and
just looking at the graphic which I have on my
second screen over here of like where I think he
could potentially end up, which shouldn't shock anyone.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, I mean speaking of Iowa.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
And if the rumors are true that they're offering you know,
Buchanan a million dollars for one semester, you know, what's
that offer going to be to Boa Bassett?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
What's that going to equal?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Like?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Is there is there a ceiling to this nil stuff too?
You know?
Speaker 5 (37:50):
And a guy like bo Bassett, he's probably worth whatever,
how are much you want to throw at the guy,
because he's gonna get you, you know, assumably four titles,
you know, five of this extra eligibility stuffy're talking about, right,
But it's.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Also take into account though, that you know, with as
quickly as everything is changing in the landscape, like what
is it actually going to look like when he gets
to college? And that's we can hit on the whole
back part because he was out back, But what was
it going to be? What's the environment actually going to be?
I mean, we're hearing the numbers for single semester transfers,
(38:26):
We're hearing some numbers for some blue chip recruits. What
is it going to be for him? Is that going
to have shifted back to being more realistic than it
is right now because it's not sustainable the way it
is and we know that. And with the shifting to
the thirty, with the roster limits, there's going to be
a lot of changes coming down the pipe. And you know,
what's it going to look like when he's actually signing
(38:48):
his letter of intent?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
So my I have another like side podcast that I
do call the Athletes Athletes Podcast, not not a plug,
but it kind of helps with the story. And we
discussed these things like all the time, like nil and
what's happening with you know, how these athletes are going
to be paid and you know, all these different things
and one of the things we talked about today when
(39:11):
I was talking with with one of my other the
other guy that I work with for that podcast, is
about how NIL currently works and how it's going to
work right and how it currently works is the collectives
are like, Yes, the collectives are basically like, hey, here's
your NIL deal, and they're signing them to these companies
(39:33):
and saying that they're doing X, Y Z. When things
change and NIL deals go in house, the schools are
going to have to submit these things to the NCAA.
They already do, but it's a lot easier for them
to kind of skirt around these rules because the NCAA
is going to be looking at these things with a
(39:53):
fine tooth comb because the money is now coming from
the NCAAA with revshare, and it's also coming from the schools,
not these collectives that cannot act on part of the school.
So the question that we had pose today is when
things become when things go in house with NIL, what's
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going to happen when these schools have to submit these
things to the NCAAA and you know, say a Buchanan
or a team or a Parco is getting some sort
of crazy figure thrown at them. And they have to
give them proof of what their nil deal truly is,
(40:37):
and then you're going to really see how things change
because you have to say, oh, his nil deal is
to promote my business, which is such and such car dealership.
But then when you look at their social media feeds
and you don't see one damn posts about you know,
(41:03):
I will Hawkeye or Cowboy Chevrolet anywhere to be found,
NCAA is gonna be like, well, wait a second, what's
truly happening here? So like also when you say that, like,
what's gonna what's gonna what's nil gonna look like? When
Bo gets there, it's going to be drastically different because
(41:24):
all these things are gonna take hold and they're gonna
have to say, oh, well, when we were recruiting him
as a junior in high school and we offered him
X amount of dollars in his nil deal, all that's
now changed because the NCAA can say, well, that wasn't
on the up and up. So whatever you offered him
(41:45):
to come here, we're not. We're not granting this. So
that's gonna change some minds. That's gonna change.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
We gotta believe that the NCAA is gonna come got
hard on it because they oh, yeah, for as for
as hard as they fought to keep and I out
of it, when it became available, they kind of hands
off and said, you know, you do whatever. We have
nothing to do with this. But now that they are
(42:13):
going to have oversight over it, you know how they
are with oversight, especially when there's something that they don't like,
They're gonna nitpick every little thing, and you know, maybe
wrestling will kind of fall through the cracks because it's
wrestling and sometimes to fall through the cracks. They're certainly
going to be a lot more concerned with the three
billion dollars that some basketball players are getting. But when
(42:35):
we have these numbers that that we're hearing, that, aren't
you know, realistic. No, nobody's going to make that much
money as a wrestler after college, Like it's it's the
best coaches in our in our sport don't make that
kind of money, at least on the front end. Like
(42:56):
it's not sustainable. It's not realistic to think that this
is going to continue.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
That's why David Taylor's deal was so big, because he's
getting a million a year plus an annual raise every
year where it's gonna be over a million. But that's
why it was such a huge deal, even when Dresser
got his deal at Iowa State, where they were like, whoa,
this is big money. And now David Taylor's getting his
deal and Kale is essentially going to get whatever his is.
But you know, you're right, like those coaches aren't aren't
(43:20):
making that, So how are we going to pay these
these athletes this amount of money if the coaches aren't.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Especially not even for a full year or for four years,
like it's it's not sustainable, and it's it's it's kind
of like a gold a gold rush. There's a boom.
People are feeding into it and it's gonna go belly
up and we're gonna have a big mess in a
couple of years. And you know, we'll see where we
go from it. But what's the you know, how is
that going to affect the kids who are currently being
(43:48):
recruited because it's gonna be a drastically different environment. And
I think and the kind of coming back to where
this would be a really interesting thing to actually get
inside of from bo like if he was being open
and like, you know, forthright about this kind of stuff.
You know, what are these offers look looking like now
(44:09):
versus what is he actually going to be able to
get when that landscape changes? Like just kind of big
picture would be really interesting to.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Hear real quick though, just a quick counter to that.
The first thing that happens that he starts talking about
what offers look like and what the structure of his
recruiting trip looks like and everything is somebody's going to
post some negative comments about like, oh, look at this
guy bragging about what he's being offered, you know, like, yeah,
there's no winning and those offers might stuff coming to right.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
But that's that's what he's bringing on himself with making
this such a public thing though too, is he's inviting
on the negativity from those programs that he's not really
looking at and from the people who are on that side.
So yeah, I mean, I completely agree with you and
hear what you're saying. But you know, with him making
this such a public spectacle, that's what he's inviting.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
I think that's the kid who's having fun with it.
And if people are going to get angry, like I could,
I've made jokes about like, oh, you took Central Michigan
off there. You know, it's like, but like that's I'm
not making fun of bo there, I'm making fun of
the people who actually do that, right, Like who should
be made fun of?
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And I will continue to Yes, people, some people deserve
to be mocked.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yes, but yeah, I think NIL is it's it's obviously
going to be changing. The settlement in the court case
is going to be taking hold in twenty twenty five,
twenty twenty six, so it'll definitely be different. And when
it is, the game, the game certainly does change. It
completely changes. And these guys who are being offered NIL
(45:43):
deals through the donors and the collectives and they're entering
the transfer portal or or not or maybe even not
even entering the transferportal, you don't even I mean you
don't honestly, because you can just enroll at a school
transfer portal. And thankfully, you know Willie and Earle, when
(46:05):
the three of us were talking in our group the
other day, we're talking about like how it all worked
where the transfer portal is literally just there so that
coaches know that you are available to be re recruited.
That's that's the purpose that it serves. So if you
don't want to be recruited. If you're just like I
(46:25):
want to go there, I can reach out to that
coach and I can reach out to that school, and
if you're in good academic standing and things, transfer you
can enroll in that school. That's all it is. And
I feel like everybody, myself included, we were like, wait,
what the hell is going on? Like I thought that
you had to enter the transfer portal in order to transfer,
when in actuality, you really don't you because we forgot
(46:50):
that there are normal students at schools that don't have
a transfer portal. Transportal is just for athletes. If you
are an athlete, you can still transfer like a normal
stud does, and a normal student just withdrawals from one
school and enrolls in another. And that's literally everything that
was going on. Foul play is what everybody else is arguing,
(47:12):
saying they were offered X amount of money to just
enroll here. So that's what people are more pissed off about.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
And an important comment though, and I think where obviously
a lot has changed is like you know, you look
at like the Metcalf situation where they were at Virginia Tech.
They weren't granted their release, and again I know that
shit that has changed, but like, I think that's where
some of the misconceptions come in. You still think that
there are some obstacles in the way of you just
taking yourself out of one school and going to another
(47:43):
school when the reality is that there is there is nothing.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Now, there's gotta be something that I mean maybe, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I had heard that they were that Arizona State was
trying to fight to Corey's leaving. I had heard it
that it was a possibility of them trying to stand
in the way of him leaving and going to Iowa, rightfully. So,
so I think there there are still some things.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
That you can do because I mean I remember, like you.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Have to sign off on a transfer essentially.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, I mean interconference transfers used to be like you
had to sit out for a semester for a year,
like there's there's always been some kind of weird stipulations
with it. And then adding the portal to that just
kind of, you know, muddies the waters even more.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah, So, like I said, the portal is literally just
there so the coaches know that you're open for business
here once again, right, and there are guys who become
open for business without going into the portal, and then
you know there there's there's been a number of athletes
that have been paid to go into the portal and
(48:52):
then they transfer. It's It's been happening in a ton
of other sports as well. I don't know how prominent
it is in wrestling, because obviously we're it's a very
small group of people, and people keep things tight knit.
As much as there is a lot of talk and
a lot of rumors, and as much as we know
(49:14):
that we don't say when we are recording, Like, there's
enough news that is out there that you know, it's
just the The rumor mill is so big in wrestling
because we wait for the news to be broken by
the people who are part.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Of it, or you speculate and just out there for
clips exactly.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Thank God, I'm not one of those people. I think
those are called oh yeah, morals.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I know.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
I know. The damn journalism classes they got me, damn
upbringing my my freaking parents, they gave them to me. Integrity, Like, goodness, gracious,
why do I have to be such a good person
to the people that I actually like in this sport
when they tell me things and they tell me in
confidence go figure.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
But no.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
I mean that's why the room mill is as big
as it is. But I know we wanted to get
to the Trials, but I think we're gonna We're gonna
hold off on that. We've been talking about a lot
of stuff for a pretty long time. So I think
the Trials, who's that, Yeah, yeah he is, he's he's
(50:33):
on here, he's on this list that that's in front
of me right now. But I think we're going to
give the Trials it's its own episode. Next week we'll
discuss and do a full Trials episode, and by then
what we'll have I believe probably everyone will be will
be part of the mix. But I will say right now,
(50:53):
things are on the freestyle. On the men's freestyle side
of things, things are looking very even. On the women's side,
women have a good out of wrestlers that are in U. Yeah,
there's some. There's some pretty good ones in the freestyle
overall freestyle ranks, Greco not so much RECO. I'd like
to see some things start to grow U, especially with
(51:15):
how well our our our junior team is doing. Right.
They colected a couple of medals at Worlds with our
was a U seventeen team, so you know, hopefully things
continue to kind of transfer for us. But yeah, we're
let's let's hold off on on talking trials until next week.
Anything any other hot topics that you guys have seen
(51:38):
you want to discuss or should we call it a night.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
I did walk by a hot topic at them all
the other day.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
I was just going to ask if there's still are
hot topics still there?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
It still exists. There is a hot topic here in
Texas as well.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
If you want a black hoodie with like a weird
logo on it spot.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Or like a good Snoop Dogg T shirt.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Or studs on it.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah, I mean, we're we're now a month away from Halloween,
so you better you better take note of where hot
topic is. You get your Halloween costume.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
Are we going to dress up in Halloween costumes on
our Halloween episode?
Speaker 1 (52:22):
We can't. That's actually it's a day before my birthday too,
so we can't be.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
It'll be a tool wearing a vest.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
Some people call it pumpkin spice Lotte season. Some people
call it football season. To Robbie, it's vest.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
It's best season.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
The best season never ends just in the summer. It's
just the best when their shirt under that's all.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
I honestly cannot wait to see if the vest continues
at Oklahoma State. So far, it's a no, I haven't
seen it yet.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
Three rooms of his house just dedicated to vests, six
walk in closets full of bests.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
He I've remember going to a Hooma State once and
he had a number of vests in his office. Hanging
in his office.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
It was casual dress, sports, pretty.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
It's pretty impressive. It was pretty.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Impressive weather warm weather options.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Did you guys see the picture of retirement John Smith?
He has grown a beard, looks good too, looks happy retirement.
John Smith has a beard and it's a it's it's
a full beard too.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Looks very gray as well, look.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Seasoned, looks full retirement and that he yeah, he he
looked in in the picture that I saw, he looked
pretty relieved as well, like he no longer had to
kind of the same look that Nick Saban has where
he doesn't have to put up with teenage kids asking
(53:50):
for millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
He's on the set on college game days. Yeah, yeah,
and it's like dealing with toddlers.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah no, but yeah, I think, uh, I think we
can call it a call it a night. The only
thing I do wanna I do wanna plug is Elite
eight Duels that will be coming up next week. I
will be there with my crew calling some very very
awesome high school wrestling matches. We're gonna have some content
myself and Will you are gonna put out some content.
We'll have the pools probably next week.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
I just talked to Frett. Well, talk to him every
single day, but I talked to him earlier this morning
about that. So the pools will be coming out next week.
The rosters will also be coming out, maybe later on
this week. But yeah, be on the lookout for e
Lad eight Duels. It's gonna be going down. I will
be there. I'll be pulling some content, getting some interviews
and stuff. But it's the folk style one and just
(54:44):
not the freestyle one. So it should be a really
good time, really really good time. It's always awesome to
see high level kids wrestling against other high level kids,
and it's always event. It's a really good event. Frett
will doesn't you know. And I'm not saying this because
he's you know, like family to me. He does an
awesome job running it, you know, he to It's first class, honestly,
(55:08):
it really really is, and everybody enjoys it. And we've
had a couple of fights over the years. Things have
gotten a little bit chippy, but it's awesome event. So
be gonna look out for some Lead eight content and
be going to look out for Elida duels coming that
will be when is that? The twenty first is the
week after the trials, So I'll be headed to Atlanta
(55:29):
for some good scrapping and uh yeah, that's all I got.
You got any parting words for our adoring fans.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Next time you talk to Fretwell, ask him if Compound
has any.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Best for me.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
I will see if Compound has any best But I'm
sure he would make one. I'm sure he would. I'm
sure he can. He can probably make one. Get a cliff,
get a get a Compound best. That would be pretty dope.
He's pret Well's he does a really good job. The
sweat your I had a sweatshirt made, the commemorative sweatshirt
I made for my uncle was done by a Compound.
(56:04):
So they do a really, really good job. So love
those guys. They're, like I said, they're like family to me,
and it's gonna be awesome as it is. So but yeah,
another awesome show. A lot of people commented on the
last one, so bring in more of those comments if
you guys have any questions. There was there was a
question about Burrows in the last episode that we'll get
(56:28):
to when we do the preview of the Trials. But yeah,
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Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, no, anti best slander.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
I'm going full. I'm going full anti best next week.
Honestly anti best. I'm they're only wearing sleeves next week.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
You're gonna look like Jack's from Mortal Kombat.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Maybe that's this year's Halloween costume. Maybe just giving me
an idea of going as Jacks. So yeah, but no,
awesome show. Gentlemen, Always fun talking some shit and having
some fun. We'll see you guys next week.
Welcome back to the Internet Wrestling Podcast. We've got Robbie, Kevin,
and Austin along with myself here to bring some of
the nonsense and talk about some of the nonsense that
we've seen lately. And I may not.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Even kick off this. Let me kick off this nonsense.
Go ahead, Earl Smith, you and I we're gonna have words.
You be smirched the good vest wearers of this country,
and I do not appreciate it. So I'm gonna sit
here in my Uva vest shout out to Jenny Iolo,
(00:35):
big thanks, love me some Io family. JL had back
points on vaccine. Let's just throw it out there.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Not too.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, Earl was talking some mad shit about VEST in
our group chat today, So when I see him next
time I go up to Northern Virginia, we're gonna have words.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
So we're it sounds like we're in the feelings of
the a CEC right now, where Robbie has started off
as a complete homer. I'm not saying I disagree. I'm
not saying I disagree with any of the statements you said.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I will I will fight anyone who says that Jay
did not have back points. That is some straight bullshit.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I Hey, listen, I'm not I'm not saying you're wrong.
I'm saying that I that I agree with it, but
I didn't expect you to go full on Homer as
soon as I hit record. But I'm okay with it.
So we're just we're just gonna keep rolling with the
nonsense and the nonsense of the I guess the flavor
of the month. We're only what four days into September,
(01:36):
and the way that we ended August and rolled into
September was with breaking mead of what is it pursuit wrestling?
I think it's called going full just I don't even
know what well just it was just dumb like and
I honestly I thought he was kidding. I didn't think
(01:56):
that he was. When I saw the video, I was like, Okay,
he has this rapport with his with his wrestlers, which
I've had with coaches over the years, that you can
say certain jokes and you can joke around and this,
that and whatever. I hated the fact that he started
it off with Carter Serachi's making one point two to
one point three million, don't pocket watch It's the dumbest
thing ever to do.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Also love that he got corrected by an eight year old.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That was fun.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, right, But like the the way that it segues
from that into you should be held back. First of all,
you use Carter Serachi, who wasn't a holdback, who was
eighteen when he won his last Pennsylvania state title. So
there's there's that piece of information. He also threw in
(02:41):
there that there's now thirty scholarships up for grabs. Let
me just let everybody know, not one team is going
to hold a team a roster of thirty scholarships. It's
there's not thirty skollies that are up for grabs on
any team football wise. There's not one hundred and five
that are up for grabs for football when these rules change.
(03:03):
So you go from pocket watching to bad information to
in my opinion, a terrible influence. And it like right,
it like it was just it just went from bad
to worse. And like I said, I originally thought he
was kidding, Like you can go in any wrestling room
and see jokes and whatever else. You guys are parents
(03:24):
and coaches, and we've been in tons of wrestling rooms.
We've seen it. But then I saw the video where
Files said he reached out to him, good on piles
to do your due diligence and just be like, hey,
what's what's the story behind this? And apparently he doug
his heels in and he thinks that it is his
position and it's his responsibility to tell a kid whether
(03:51):
or not he should be helped back. And I'm I'm
I'm gonna I'm gonna let Robbie hold back a little
bit from now. I'm gonna start with Kevin as a dad,
because I know how Robbie already feels about this. Austin's kids,
You're you're my kids are non existent right now, so
I don't really have much of a sayge. I think
it's stupid all in itself. But Kevin, I want to
hear your take on when you saw this video and
(04:14):
then when you heard that it wasn't a joke. And
you know, as a parent, as a dad, as as
a as a coach, whose job is it to tell
a kid that he should be held back?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I mean the teacher, I would think in some level
of collaboration with the family and understanding what has gotten
in there, what efforts have been made to make those changes,
and figure out a way for that student to progress
at the academic level that they need to.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Or not.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Obviously, the you know, that's like the second level. The
first level is is like club youth club coach, you
go there first and you figure out, you know, what
sort of actor or athletic advantage can my know, ten
year old third grader have if we hold him back
a couple of years. Right, It's it's the Happy Gilmore plan.
We made the joke in the group chat, but that's
(05:09):
what it is. It's insane, like, of course Happy Gilmore
is better at dodgeball. He was a grown man.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Billy Madison.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Billy Madison, my apology, Billy Madison, not Happy Gilmore, My apology, Sorry,
Sir Adam Sandler. But yeah, I mean it's it's it's
that plan. It's ridiculous. It's I I was disgusted. I mean,
I can't. I can't throw out that many more frustrated terms.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
What if your kid comes home and says, my coach home.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
We're we're immediately looking for a different club. There's enough clubs.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I'm having words with that coach first though, before we
started looking for it.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, how dare you like that's insane?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, don't talk to my kid about any Yeah, that's
not what we're here.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
For, you know. Yeah, Robbie, you had you had a
take that you said on Twitter where you kind of
went with as a parent and a teacher in this
regard the craziness of this one. Have you ever have
you ever had conversations like this with any student or
have you guys ever talked to any of your athletes
(06:17):
like this.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
No, I've had conversations with students about this. So what's
preface this. I've been a high school teacher and coach
and worked with high school middle school age kids for
the last twenty years. I'm a special ed teacher by trade,
I guess by profession, so my day to day interactions
(06:40):
with kids who are lower than the typical high school student,
it would be in a situation like this With that
in mind, it's a fucking terrible take. And it's not
your position as a as a club coach who has
no bearing on their education, probably knows nothing about their
education or their their level of functioning in school to
(07:03):
have that conversation with them, joking or not. And that
when I first saw it, I thought, you know, maybe
he's just joking around with these kids. He's got a Yeah,
you know, for some reason, this is a weird joke
that he's got as a club coach. I don't and
I don't find the humor in it, but you know,
teach his own I guess, but something as you know, Yeah,
that's he shouldn't try to be funny. As a parent,
(07:26):
I would I cannot express to you how angry I
would be if my sin, one of my sons came
home and said, you know, Dad, my coach said that
I need to get held back. Well, does he know
a fucking thing about how you're doing in school? Does
he know that you're a better reader than he probably is?
(07:46):
But yeah, let's not let's not play these games. This
is this is a kid's actual future. And you know,
in regard to the thirty scholarships that he was misinformed about.
I got messages from three different coaches, not even just
as coaches, with three different coaches saying, this guy has
no idea what he's talking about or how this is
going to work. Anybody who thinks there's gonna be thirty
(08:08):
scholarships is fucking stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So it's sadly mistaken, Like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So I apologize for language. We're gonna have to put
the explicit uh tag on this one.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Robbie's hit his threshold. But I'm glad that we did
it in the beginning so that the rest of us
we can be completely completely clean the rest of this conversation.
But yeah, I mean, I hear you like he's he's
completely wrong about all these things. And like I said, Austin,
your your kids are still young, and now that you've
heard everybody else's takes on these things, and even mine,
(08:41):
I was I started school early. I graduated high school
at seventeen. I didn't start I didn't start school, and
I started as a four year old, you know, in kindergarten,
and then I graduated seventeen. I turned eighteen in October
of my freshman year of college. So for me, I mean,
I'm completely satisfied with the athletic career that I had.
(09:02):
What I have liked a couple more championships, sure, but
I was fortunate enough to win a championship in every
single sport that I ever played growing up and had
very high level people. Well, I mean that's the thing,
is like it I guess it's probably more of a
of a hat tip to my teammates than it is
to me. But like you know, you have you have
(09:23):
those really great experiences.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But I say all that to say, this is alsome.
Your kids are young. How many years are you going
to hold them back?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Now?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Now that you know all the takes and you know
how terrible all of these things mandates?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Two years?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, my kid is right now,
twenty twenty forty. I made him twenty forty two. So
I took his advice and doubled it. Now all hold
them back two years? No, but all seriousness, I was
actually one of those holdback kids. But it wasn't in
grade school. It was preschool. Yeah, so that like it
(09:59):
was decision that was made before any athletic talk was
even introduced and any really educational value was introduced. And
that came from my grandparents who held back my uncle.
It just they my dad and my mom decided, you know,
my uncle was really mature for his age and it
helped out him, so maybe that'll help out our son too.
And it just happened.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And just couldn't throw a ball until he was six.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
I mean, I thought I was left you I learned
I was righty eight, you know, but yet I because
a little more mature, and you know, I felt that
a little bit growing up. But you know, like it
doesn't matter. Everyone's everyone's throwing an individual right real quick.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Just to comment on that too, that that is like
common with with preschool, right, I know, like there's a
whole separate like young fives thing where it's like, you know,
they're they're not quite ready for kindergarten, they're going to
be ready, and again that that decision is never made
with the consultation of the youth coach.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, of the club coach for that club coach, of
the the completely optional coach. Let's let's let's be honest,
like club coaches are optional. I mean it may seem
in you know today where everyone's like, you know, you
have your your normal coach and you have your club
coach where everyone is going to a certain club, right,
But like the club coach is optional. You can play
(11:22):
multiple sports. You can be a multi sport athlete. It
is okay to do wrestling during wrestling season and maybe
do a couple other sports outside of that and then
go play baseball or go run track, or go play
football or like it happens guys like it is okay
or a wrestler to not just be a wrestler. The
(11:44):
number of offensive linemen in the NFL who wrestled is incredible.
Tom Brady's favorite lineman in Tampa was a high school wrestler. Like,
let's call it what it is here, you know, So no,
I I, I, I know, I kind of put that
one on a tee and I knew how how much
(12:05):
we all hated that take, but like it needed a
little bit more discussion to have some nuance with people
who are parents and teachers and coaches. You know. I
was a coach for a number of years as well,
and I was just like, that's never something that even
crossed my mind, and and or any of my friends
for that matter that are coaches. That it was just like, yeah,
(12:28):
we're we're gonna hold him back and you know, make
sure that he's good. Like it was just not a thing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So I think that kind of comes across to me,
is it's not something you hear school coaches saying, high
school coaches, middle school coaches. Yeah, and not necessarily just
in wrestling, but like it's more of one of those
I feel that it's more one of those like this
is a youth coach who thinks, you know, because he's
(12:58):
a good youth coach, who's gonna know what's right for
the kids moving down the line, when he doesn't really
have an understanding of the progressions that they need to make,
you know, off the mat or off the field, whatever
it is. And I mean, like Kevin said, it's not uncommon,
and like Austin situation, it's not uncommon at all for
young kids to be held back. It's a lot easier
(13:19):
to identify their developmental milestones and if they've hit them
or not than it is for you know, an eighth
or ninth grader, seventh, fithh graders to be held back
before they go to high school. Like, that's a whole
different I mean, there's so many more variables that go
into that, and I think it's a disservice to all
those kids to be a choking about that and be
(13:40):
the fact that he doubled down on it just blows
my mind. And I think, I mean, that's a bigger
conversation about people wrestling not changing their minds with when
they're presented with good evidence. But all these people who
have a better understanding of this situation.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Than you do.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Are are weighing in on this and telling you, you know,
giving you good reasons why this is not a good
idea and how it's probably harmful to the kids in
the long run, But you're gonna double down and say
it is your position and it's the right position, and
you're not going to be swayed.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It just it blows my mind that that people can
become so entrenched in something that they're so clearly wrong about.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have anything bad to say
about holdbacks like that is one thing. I don't think
any of us are against holding a kid back if
it's it's appropriate, even I don't even at any situation.
I don't care what your excuse is. You want to
hold the kid back for athletics, that's between you and
your parents, right. But I think he is wrong in
(14:42):
this sense where he thinks it's his responsibility to have
that conversation with the coach and it's not the parents
responsibility to do that or excuse me, have that conversation
with the kid, and not the parents' responsibility to have
that conversation.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
On social media and and yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like that was the thing is like you you puffed
your chest out, and then you know you're seeing videos
where he's complaining that a guy wouldn't fight him at
a trampoline park, and it's just like, okay, starting that one,
starting to see yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
One at a trampoline park recently.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I'm just yeah, you're starting to kind of see the
mentality in the videos that are being posted. And it's
one thing to have your own opinions, and I'm fine
with it. I don't have to agree with it. But
(15:34):
when you feel that it is your responsibility to do something,
to make a decision for a kid and you're not
his parent, that's where you got to draw the line.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
It just is from a position of influence and authority
over kids who don't know any better.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Too, Yeah, because you ultimately start to sow doubt in
a kid's head, like that kid was held back a year.
You weren't held back a year. You see how much
of an advantage he has over you, Like, no, that's
not how we have. We have weight classes for a reason.
You get to a certain point where it doesn't matter
how many years you were held back. You step on
the scale, and if you get your ass kick when
(16:13):
you get on the mat, you get your ass kick
when you get on the mat. Like it doesn't it
doesn't really yet, Like it doesn't matter whatsoever. Right, Like,
a kid can be a senior wrestling. I can remember
so many guys that when we were in high school,
a senior wrestling one oh three back then against some freshmen,
and it didn't it didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
It does.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
It doesn't matter when you get on the mat. You
just got to wrestle. Right, how many years a kid
is held back doesn't really make much of a difference.
So the correlation of there's there's so much opportunity out there,
and you should be held back so that you can,
you know, seize the opportunity. Well, what if you're held
back and you missed the opportunity. What if you're held
(16:55):
back and you get injured and those opportunities are gone.
What if you get held back in the weight class
that you thought you would be in you can no
longer make and since you were held back, you missed
that year of possibly competing in a weight class where
you could have been strong at. So there's so many
different factors in this that I was just like scratching
(17:17):
my head when I saw Like I said, when I
saw it, I had multiple people send it to me.
It was in multiple group chats and obviously was all
over Twitter and everybody was given their takes and stuff
like that. But like, the thing for me was the
amount of people and the amount of coaches who I
respect that had a take on this that just said
(17:39):
it was flat out wrong for him to point to
kids around the room and say, you didn't listen to me,
You should have listened to me, or you know, you
were too dumb to do this. Like, I get it,
I had way rougher coaches growing up than this kid
will ever be. But it's not it's just not your place,
(18:01):
and it's it's trying to bring a college mindset of
who should red shirt and who shouldn't into an elementary
classroom essentially, and it's just it just ain't right in
my opinion. Any other thoughts before we move on to
the next.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Thing, Say, it is kind of cool to be the
first person in your grade to get your driver's license
in high school. That's that's one benefit you know of that.
But yeah, yeah, docs, yeah chokes, oh jokes. Aside, it
was because that guy comes across my algorithm once in
a while, and some of the technique stuff he shows is,
you know, pretty solid stuff. And this guy in college
does it cool. Yeah, he seemed like a decent guy.
(18:37):
And then this one came up. And then I went
on a you know, a rabbit hole of some of
these other ones, and I was like, oh, yeah, I
must only see the good ones that come across my
timeline because there's something in there that like, what is
he talking about?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, And maybe I missed the parents coming and defending this,
the parents of these wrestlers defending it and saying he's
a great coach, we love him, whatever, whatever. Maybe I
missed that stuff, but I didn't see it. I saw
a lot of people saying, this is at a bounds,
you're across from the line. This isn't a conversation that
you should be having with kids of this age, and
(19:15):
you shouldn't be broaching that sort of conversation, right, So
it's not.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
A public forum and posting it all over and like
I don't feel like the same thing, like if you're
calling effectively, you're calling like it dumb on international just
putting that out there. There's so many things that are
wrong with that. I mean, I'll happily go to the
trampline Parklin Park.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well, you guys are closer to the state that he
lives in than I am. But I don't know. Let's
let's let's move on to some other new age stuff.
And that is the the marketing that we're seeing coming
from from Bo Bassett, and a lot of people have
a lot of things to say about how he he's
(20:00):
going about his recruitment. Every Wednesday there is an update,
there's less logos on the graphic, there's a newsletter, he
has his own website, he's doing technique, He's doing a
lot of different things to monetize his name, image and likeness.
And the thing is is he's been doing this before
Nil was really truly a thing. Bobasseid has had his
(20:24):
own website, his own podcast. He's been doing all of
these things for a very very long time. And I think,
you know, we talked about this before when it was
brand new, when that graphic still had seventy logos on it,
when we talked about it. My take has kind of
(20:45):
changed on it, where I think I've softened because I'm
always going to be more for the athlete than I
am for really anybody in any sport when it comes
to athletes getting what they deserve. And he's not breaking
any rules, he's not doing anything wrong. I think he's
(21:06):
just annoying people, I think is really what it is
because every Wednesday he's in their news cycle. But as
a content professional that I am somebody who has literally
been doing things content wise and media wise for probably
just as long as bo Bassett has been alive, which
(21:27):
which is crazy to think. He's doing a great job honestly,
and I have to kind of tip my hat to
him where he has a great cadence of things, he
has people tuning in, he has he's able to monetize things.
So I think he's doing an incredible job and I'm
(21:48):
starting to kind of like it. And maybe I'm starting
to kind of like what he's doing because I see
how much people are hating on what he's doing. But
it's it's like any other thing, right, like the NFL.
Every single day you see something from the NFL. When
it's basketball season, you see something you know right now,
think about it. Kitlyn Clark, you see you see her
(22:09):
face every damn day. So like we have athletes in
every single sport whose name, image and likeness, whether it's
them putting out or the media putting it out, that
are doing their own job. Bo Bassett has taken complete
control of his own narrative. Where Like I said, we
(22:30):
see Kitlyn Clark all the time, She's not in control
of her own narrative. Bo Bassett is. And I think
that's the most fascinating thing. Is like somebody who isn't
even in college yet is going to go off to
college and enter some business school or some you know,
journalism school or whatever else, some marketing marketing major and
(22:50):
have all of this knowledge of things. He's already done.
And I think that is incredible. So I think I'm
softening on it. Where like I said, like originally I
was like, man, this is gonna get to me. But
like as I've seen him do more and more and
not for nothing, I think we can all narrow it
down to a couple of schools that we truly feel
(23:12):
are going to be his top five at the end.
But the way that he's gone about it, for me,
I'm just like I like it. And Austin, I want
your take because I know you were the you were
the old man shaking his fist at the clouds the
last time we brought this up. Has have you changed
your mind on this or has it become more annoying
(23:34):
for you as well?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Well?
Speaker 5 (23:37):
I don't know if I was the old man shaking
the clouds. I think I played the fence a little bit.
I was maybe on both sides of it, Yeah, to
put it fairly, but no, I like what like you said,
it's he has to be he's making money doing it, right,
He's not doing it because yeah, he likes it obviously,
but he's not doing it just to do it. Like
(23:58):
I'm sure he is getting a lon of ties, he's
getting his name out there, he is getting his story
out there. And kind of pigback what you said. It's
it's experience for the future, you know, getting into classes.
He's going to know what all this is. It's going
to be a brief for him getting into school. And
if for some reason this resting thing doesn't work out,
he has a career already lined up, you know, to
(24:20):
whether it's consulting and coaching or doing something with this
side of it. So yeah, it's all good stuff. And
I said, I think I'm coming around more towards liking it.
You know, I'm not as old as I maybe once
was what I said originally, but I think it's good
for the sport. I think more people are going to
follow it. My only concern is, I think I think
(24:42):
we talked about last time too, there might be some kids,
maybe not as newsworthy, trying to do replicating what he's doing. Right,
Bobastt is a talent that comes around once every so often,
and stud I think too high school kids are going
to be trying replicating this when maybe it's not quite
as maybe not deserved or not as required we know
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from the resting people.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
So I think that's that's a downfall of it too.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Everyone's going to try and replicate this when not everyone's Bobassett,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Agreed, And I've kind of gone the other way on it.
Like initially I was it was like whatever, but I've
I think it's bothered me the more it's gone on.
And I think, you know, with that being said, Boat
is a phenomenal talent. He's certainly special in a lot
of ways. He does a great job getting himself out
(25:34):
there with the podcast, with the videos, with the workout
stuff that he's done for years. But I think what
bothers me about it is that it feels disingenuous.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And I think this point right now, you mean or
initially still both.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I mean to.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Let's be honest, most of the schools on the list
never had a chance with him. We know that there's
you know, blue chip recruits are are going to be
locked into a certain subset of schools and it's it's
you know, unless there's some super connection with them with
with a specific school, Like you know, Kyle Snyder had
(26:18):
a good chance of going to Maryland because he practiced
there a lot, worked out there a lot, ended up
going to a blue book program, right, But with there's
connections like that, that makes sense. The same reason he
has Johnstown on there. He's from Johnstown. I mean that
makes sense that that stays on there. But is he
going to a D two school, Let's be honest.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And the fact that like it continues to go on
and there's still multiple schools on there that we know
you're not going to. We know you're And the fact
that I know a lot of those coaches have never
actually talked to them, despite the fact that they reached
out to him. So let's let's not act like it's
it's real that you're actually considering these schools. Like I
like the stick, I like the idea of you knows,
(27:00):
I'm putting my recruiting out there and being open about it.
But let's not let's not play a game with it.
Let's be real about it. Let's talk about the you know,
five to ten schools you're actually interested in, and let's
get good information about how you're getting recruited and what
the process actually looks like, not you know, buttered up
with some nonsense. You're not going to Sacred Heart. Let's
come on, nothing against them, but Bo Bassett is not
(27:22):
going to Sacred Heart. And to have them on the
list initially, it's just it's it's silly and I don't know,
maybe I'm the old man yell you get the class now.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean there are certain schools that you just know,
didn't They don't measure up when it comes to what's
what he's looking for and what's needed. So I feel
you on that regard. You know, it's it's almost become
like an episode of the Bachelor, where who's who's going
to get a rose this week? You know what I mean.
Like and like I said, I love him. I think
(27:52):
he's an awesome kid. I think he's a great hard
worker both on and off the mat. It's just I
think you're right about that. But like I guessaid, I've
softened on it because I'm just like, he has people captivated.
He's giving people a glimpse into what his world is,
more so than what we normally see for a recruiting period.
(28:14):
The recruiting period opens and it's open season, and it's
this long episode of like I said, the wrestling Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
But I would love for that to be more genuine,
Like that would be awesome, that it would be. It
would be really cool for people to actually see what
their creating process looks like, and for people who haven't
seen it up close or haven't gone through it to see,
you know, what those calls look like, what the interactions
look like, deciding between Whisch schools to take your official
business too, Like it's a it's a really interesting process,
(28:45):
but the level of not reality around it is it's
it makes it tougher for me, Like I'd love it
for to be more real. Yeah, especially with a guy
like that who's who's so marketable and speak so well
and handles himself so well, Like I've been impressed with
him in their interactions I've had with super nice kid.
(29:06):
But let's be let's be real and if you want
to get people a real picture of this and you
want people to be open about it, then let's show
what's really going on and be honest about it.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah, it would be cool to have a like a
weekly update of Hey, I talked to coach X from
this school.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Here's what we talked about.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Here's my pros about this school, here are some cons,
and here's why I'm thinking about going there. And you know,
leave nil and stuff out of it, because I think
that's between him. But you know, I think it would
be good to get an inside scoop on what some
of these coaches are offering, what they're saying, and you know,
what his thoughts are as a student athlete, you know,
getting wine and dying by these guys, and what his
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thoughts are in the process.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I think that would be awesome to do as well.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I feel like the clouds, Robbie, that you're shaking your
fist at are shaped like a digital clock that reads
four fifty eight AM.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
I don't know, man, I'm all in on this. Like,
the kid's doing what he wants to do, and he's
having fun with it. And obviously, again like if the
results match up with what he's trying to do, which
they have consistently, I have no problem, you know. I
just I was trying to think about it too. I mean,
you know, I think about my nieces who are are
(30:23):
a little younger than that, but like, I'm just trying
to think about what they do, and they're all doing
social media, digital stuff. They're recording these videos and recreating
movies that they've seen or seen from it or whatever,
and trying to get those rights so that they can
post him out there. They're just having fun with it.
And you know, granted, this is a little bit more
directed and results in a little bit more uh you know,
(30:48):
monetary success, and and obviously he's got a much larger
platform than you know, my relatives do. But with that
being said, you know, he's not the first who's been
in the wrestling media avenue and has had some success. Right,
I was just thinking about it. I was like, yeah,
it was home man advantage with you know, Sam Herrig
(31:09):
and Jude Swisher, who again aren't weren't necessarily at the
same level that Bo Bassett is, but still like those
guys have gone on to do their own things, and
it was just kids who really loved the sport trying
to have fun with it and be in the media environment.
So I don't know, man, I'm not shaking my fist
at anything. I'm too old to worry about what this
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kid's doing with his time. You know, I got dishes
to take care of and through kids on my own
to worry about. So I don't know, man, I like
what he's doing. He seems to be having fun. He's
not hurting anybody. It's probably fun.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It's probably a good thing, honestly for him to post
stuff and see people getting but hurt about it and
you know, posting crappy comments and being mature enough to
handle it. You know, that takes some repetition and practice,
just like anything else does.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
So he made like a dark board out of the
picture of all the schools he just throws it at
to get rid of every week.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
That'd be cool, Yeah, I'd like to see how good
he is at darts. Let's post our videos and then
he's like I pretend I didn't hit that school.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That school still.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Off just keeps bouncing off.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, I just I'm in on it, man.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Like I said, I I I originally I think I
think I was of the mindset that Robbie was in
the beginning, where I was like, Okay, we know that
a lot of these schools aren't going to happen. They
don't have the resources, they don't have the money, they
just don't have it, right, they don't measure up. So
why are they on there?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
And he's got to stick to the bit.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I get it. I get it. Yeah, and and and
that's what I'm saying, Like, I can't see him going
to even like you and I, Right, I couldn't. I
couldn't see him going there, even though Schwab. If I
was him Schwab, they'd be in my top five immediately, right, Like,
But I just can't. I can't see him being there.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
One.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I can't really see him leaving the East Coast. I can't.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Probably doesn't like to have exercise balls thrown at him either.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, those those big red balls they've they've kind of
they made a name for themselves in their own right.
But yeah, I can't see Bo even leaving the East
coast and.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
In Pennsylvania though, uh yes, if if you yes, Cornell
is on there, Princeton is on there. Yeah, not too far,
but but still, like I mean, I think Cornell is
is there. I mean, Ohio State is still on that
on that graphic. So I don't think he goes too far.
I think he goes within driving distance of getting home.
(33:52):
But yeah, I I so Pennsylvania. I do think he
would would leave the state. But I think every single
one of the you know, blue chip recruits coming out
of Pennsylvania is going to hope that they get a
call from Kele Sanderson. You know, let's let's just call
it what it is. Like, he's he's one of the goats.
You're going to want to get a call from him.
(34:13):
It's just like wanting to get a call from John
Smith back in the day, is now wanting to get
a call from David Taylor. You know. So I I don't,
I don't. I don't know if it'll end up at
penn State. I have no intel whatsoever on on you know,
where Bo Bassett is going to be going there. Yeah,
(34:35):
but I I don't. I don't see him leaving the
East Coast, just like to call it what it is.
And you know, obviously the resources, the partners, the you know,
the support, the school, and then the ni L which
I want to dig a little bit more into. Realistically,
is is going to be a factor for Bo Bassett.
(34:58):
But it's kind of they yet to be seen, right
And And like I said, I do think he stays
on the East Coast. I don't think that he heads
out to Oklahoma State. If he does, I wouldn't be
I wouldn't be shocked, you know what I mean. David
Taylor is there, you know. So for a lot of
these guys that are in high school right now, they've
(35:18):
grown up watching David Taylor, just like David Taylor grew
up watching Kale, you know what I mean. So I
think that that's going to be there. But like I said,
I think it's a it's a it's a race between Ornell,
Ohio State, Penn State. Trying to think, yeah, yeah, I
(35:40):
think they're they're they're they're five b in in that
in that regard you want to do something funny real fast.
I was on the list too, But I don't think
he goes there.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
When I go to the Home Man Advantage podcast, and
I go to about the website and I go to
about him A. One of the comments on here, there's
two thought about him. A. One of them is from
Bo Bassett July ninth, twenty nineteen. It says, what's Upstam,
it's Bo. So he's been in the game for a minute,
all right, this isn't a new thing he's started.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, and and I don't. I yeah, he has definitely
been doing these things. I can remember when I first
saw him shooting a video in his in his like
in his room, and I'm like, this kid is about
it and he, you know, had tiny little squeaky boys,
and I'm like, this kid loves wrestling. So but yeah,
(36:33):
I think I think I was gonna be on that
list of course as well, but yeah, I think it's
a Cornell, Penn State, Iowa. These are my guesses. Ohio
State and Oklahoma State is what I think his top
five will be. And in five B i'd be yeah,
will be Johnstown. But it's in no order. Like I said,
(36:54):
I have zero intel. That's just me looking at the
graphic and saying, I think this is you know, this
is where he could put end up. I don't see
him taking Iowa off of his list just because it's Iowa.
I don't see him taking Oklahoma State off his list
because it's Oklahoma State. But for me, I think it's
I think it's either it's either Penn State, Ohio State,
or Cornell will be the top three. And that's, like
(37:17):
I said, I'm just kind of I'm throwing darts at
my dartboard right now thinking what could potentially happen, and
just looking at the graphic which I have on my
second screen over here of like where I think he
could potentially end up, which shouldn't shock anyone.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, I mean speaking of Iowa.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
And if the rumors are true that they're offering you know,
Buchanan a million dollars for one semester, you know, what's
that offer going to be to Boa Bassett?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
What's that going to equal?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Like?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Is there is there a ceiling to this nil stuff too?
You know?
Speaker 5 (37:50):
And a guy like bo Bassett, he's probably worth whatever,
how are much you want to throw at the guy,
because he's gonna get you, you know, assumably four titles,
you know, five of this extra eligibility stuffy're talking about, right,
But it's.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Also take into account though, that you know, with as
quickly as everything is changing in the landscape, like what
is it actually going to look like when he gets
to college? And that's we can hit on the whole
back part because he was out back, But what was
it going to be? What's the environment actually going to be?
I mean, we're hearing the numbers for single semester transfers,
(38:26):
We're hearing some numbers for some blue chip recruits. What
is it going to be for him? Is that going
to have shifted back to being more realistic than it
is right now because it's not sustainable the way it
is and we know that. And with the shifting to
the thirty, with the roster limits, there's going to be
a lot of changes coming down the pipe. And you know,
what's it going to look like when he's actually signing
(38:48):
his letter of intent?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
So my I have another like side podcast that I
do call the Athletes Athletes Podcast, not not a plug,
but it kind of helps with the story. And we
discussed these things like all the time, like nil and
what's happening with you know, how these athletes are going
to be paid and you know, all these different things
and one of the things we talked about today when
(39:11):
I was talking with with one of my other the
other guy that I work with for that podcast, is
about how NIL currently works and how it's going to
work right and how it currently works is the collectives
are like, Yes, the collectives are basically like, hey, here's
your NIL deal, and they're signing them to these companies
(39:33):
and saying that they're doing X, Y Z. When things
change and NIL deals go in house, the schools are
going to have to submit these things to the NCAA.
They already do, but it's a lot easier for them
to kind of skirt around these rules because the NCAA
is going to be looking at these things with a
(39:53):
fine tooth comb because the money is now coming from
the NCAAA with revshare, and it's also coming from the schools,
not these collectives that cannot act on part of the school.
So the question that we had pose today is when
things become when things go in house with NIL, what's
(40:14):
going to happen when these schools have to submit these
things to the NCAAA and you know, say a Buchanan
or a team or a Parco is getting some sort
of crazy figure thrown at them. And they have to
give them proof of what their nil deal truly is,
(40:37):
and then you're going to really see how things change
because you have to say, oh, his nil deal is
to promote my business, which is such and such car dealership.
But then when you look at their social media feeds
and you don't see one damn posts about you know,
(41:03):
I will Hawkeye or Cowboy Chevrolet anywhere to be found,
NCAA is gonna be like, well, wait a second, what's
truly happening here? So like also when you say that, like,
what's gonna what's gonna what's nil gonna look like? When
Bo gets there, it's going to be drastically different because
(41:24):
all these things are gonna take hold and they're gonna
have to say, oh, well, when we were recruiting him
as a junior in high school and we offered him
X amount of dollars in his nil deal, all that's
now changed because the NCAA can say, well, that wasn't
on the up and up. So whatever you offered him
(41:45):
to come here, we're not. We're not granting this. So
that's gonna change some minds. That's gonna change.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
We gotta believe that the NCAA is gonna come got
hard on it because they oh, yeah, for as for
as hard as they fought to keep and I out
of it, when it became available, they kind of hands
off and said, you know, you do whatever. We have
nothing to do with this. But now that they are
(42:13):
going to have oversight over it, you know how they
are with oversight, especially when there's something that they don't like,
They're gonna nitpick every little thing, and you know, maybe
wrestling will kind of fall through the cracks because it's
wrestling and sometimes to fall through the cracks. They're certainly
going to be a lot more concerned with the three
billion dollars that some basketball players are getting. But when
(42:35):
we have these numbers that that we're hearing, that, aren't
you know, realistic. No, nobody's going to make that much
money as a wrestler after college, Like it's it's the
best coaches in our in our sport don't make that
kind of money, at least on the front end. Like
(42:56):
it's not sustainable. It's not realistic to think that this
is going to continue.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
That's why David Taylor's deal was so big, because he's
getting a million a year plus an annual raise every
year where it's gonna be over a million. But that's
why it was such a huge deal, even when Dresser
got his deal at Iowa State, where they were like, whoa,
this is big money. And now David Taylor's getting his
deal and Kale is essentially going to get whatever his is.
But you know, you're right, like those coaches aren't aren't
(43:20):
making that, So how are we going to pay these
these athletes this amount of money if the coaches aren't.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Especially not even for a full year or for four years,
like it's it's not sustainable, and it's it's it's kind
of like a gold a gold rush. There's a boom.
People are feeding into it and it's gonna go belly
up and we're gonna have a big mess in a
couple of years. And you know, we'll see where we
go from it. But what's the you know, how is
that going to affect the kids who are currently being
(43:48):
recruited because it's gonna be a drastically different environment. And
I think and the kind of coming back to where
this would be a really interesting thing to actually get
inside of from bo like if he was being open
and like, you know, forthright about this kind of stuff.
You know, what are these offers look looking like now
(44:09):
versus what is he actually going to be able to
get when that landscape changes? Like just kind of big
picture would be really interesting to.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Hear real quick though, just a quick counter to that.
The first thing that happens that he starts talking about
what offers look like and what the structure of his
recruiting trip looks like and everything is somebody's going to
post some negative comments about like, oh, look at this
guy bragging about what he's being offered, you know, like, yeah,
there's no winning and those offers might stuff coming to right.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
But that's that's what he's bringing on himself with making
this such a public thing though too, is he's inviting
on the negativity from those programs that he's not really
looking at and from the people who are on that side.
So yeah, I mean, I completely agree with you and
hear what you're saying. But you know, with him making
this such a public spectacle, that's what he's inviting.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
I think that's the kid who's having fun with it.
And if people are going to get angry, like I could,
I've made jokes about like, oh, you took Central Michigan
off there. You know, it's like, but like that's I'm
not making fun of bo there, I'm making fun of
the people who actually do that, right, Like who should
be made fun of?
Speaker 2 (45:18):
And I will continue to Yes, people, some people deserve
to be mocked.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yes, but yeah, I think NIL is it's it's obviously
going to be changing. The settlement in the court case
is going to be taking hold in twenty twenty five,
twenty twenty six, so it'll definitely be different. And when
it is, the game, the game certainly does change. It
completely changes. And these guys who are being offered NIL
(45:43):
deals through the donors and the collectives and they're entering
the transfer portal or or not or maybe even not
even entering the transferportal, you don't even I mean you
don't honestly, because you can just enroll at a school
transfer portal. And thankfully, you know Willie and Earle, when
(46:05):
the three of us were talking in our group the
other day, we're talking about like how it all worked
where the transfer portal is literally just there so that
coaches know that you are available to be re recruited.
That's that's the purpose that it serves. So if you
don't want to be recruited. If you're just like I
(46:25):
want to go there, I can reach out to that
coach and I can reach out to that school, and
if you're in good academic standing and things, transfer you
can enroll in that school. That's all it is. And
I feel like everybody, myself included, we were like, wait,
what the hell is going on? Like I thought that
you had to enter the transfer portal in order to transfer,
when in actuality, you really don't you because we forgot
(46:50):
that there are normal students at schools that don't have
a transfer portal. Transportal is just for athletes. If you
are an athlete, you can still transfer like a normal
stud does, and a normal student just withdrawals from one
school and enrolls in another. And that's literally everything that
was going on. Foul play is what everybody else is arguing,
(47:12):
saying they were offered X amount of money to just
enroll here. So that's what people are more pissed off about.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
And an important comment though, and I think where obviously
a lot has changed is like you know, you look
at like the Metcalf situation where they were at Virginia Tech.
They weren't granted their release, and again I know that
shit that has changed, but like, I think that's where
some of the misconceptions come in. You still think that
there are some obstacles in the way of you just
taking yourself out of one school and going to another
(47:43):
school when the reality is that there is there is nothing.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Now, there's gotta be something that I mean maybe, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I had heard that they were that Arizona State was
trying to fight to Corey's leaving. I had heard it
that it was a possibility of them trying to stand
in the way of him leaving and going to Iowa, rightfully. So,
so I think there there are still some things.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
That you can do because I mean I remember, like you.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Have to sign off on a transfer essentially.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, I mean interconference transfers used to be like you
had to sit out for a semester for a year,
like there's there's always been some kind of weird stipulations
with it. And then adding the portal to that just
kind of, you know, muddies the waters even more.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah, So, like I said, the portal is literally just
there so the coaches know that you're open for business
here once again, right, and there are guys who become
open for business without going into the portal, and then
you know there there's there's been a number of athletes
that have been paid to go into the portal and
(48:52):
then they transfer. It's It's been happening in a ton
of other sports as well. I don't know how prominent
it is in wrestling, because obviously we're it's a very
small group of people, and people keep things tight knit.
As much as there is a lot of talk and
a lot of rumors, and as much as we know
(49:14):
that we don't say when we are recording, Like, there's
enough news that is out there that you know, it's
just the The rumor mill is so big in wrestling
because we wait for the news to be broken by
the people who are part.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Of it, or you speculate and just out there for
clips exactly.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Thank God, I'm not one of those people. I think
those are called oh yeah, morals.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
I know.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
I know. The damn journalism classes they got me, damn
upbringing my my freaking parents, they gave them to me. Integrity, Like, goodness, gracious,
why do I have to be such a good person
to the people that I actually like in this sport
when they tell me things and they tell me in
confidence go figure.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
But no.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
I mean that's why the room mill is as big
as it is. But I know we wanted to get
to the Trials, but I think we're gonna We're gonna
hold off on that. We've been talking about a lot
of stuff for a pretty long time. So I think
the Trials, who's that, Yeah, yeah he is, he's he's
(50:33):
on here, he's on this list that that's in front
of me right now. But I think we're going to
give the Trials it's its own episode. Next week we'll
discuss and do a full Trials episode, and by then
what we'll have I believe probably everyone will be will
be part of the mix. But I will say right now,
(50:53):
things are on the freestyle. On the men's freestyle side
of things, things are looking very even. On the women's side,
women have a good out of wrestlers that are in U. Yeah,
there's some. There's some pretty good ones in the freestyle
overall freestyle ranks, Greco not so much RECO. I'd like
to see some things start to grow U, especially with
(51:15):
how well our our our junior team is doing. Right.
They colected a couple of medals at Worlds with our
was a U seventeen team, so you know, hopefully things
continue to kind of transfer for us. But yeah, we're
let's let's hold off on on talking trials until next week.
Anything any other hot topics that you guys have seen
(51:38):
you want to discuss or should we call it a night.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
I did walk by a hot topic at them all
the other day.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
I was just going to ask if there's still are
hot topics still there?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
It still exists. There is a hot topic here in
Texas as well.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
If you want a black hoodie with like a weird
logo on it spot.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Or like a good Snoop Dogg T shirt.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Or studs on it.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah, I mean, we're we're now a month away from Halloween,
so you better you better take note of where hot
topic is. You get your Halloween costume.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
Are we going to dress up in Halloween costumes on
our Halloween episode?
Speaker 1 (52:22):
We can't. That's actually it's a day before my birthday too,
so we can't be.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
It'll be a tool wearing a vest.
Speaker 5 (52:31):
Some people call it pumpkin spice Lotte season. Some people
call it football season. To Robbie, it's vest.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
It's best season.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
The best season never ends just in the summer. It's
just the best when their shirt under that's all.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
I honestly cannot wait to see if the vest continues
at Oklahoma State. So far, it's a no, I haven't
seen it yet.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
Three rooms of his house just dedicated to vests, six
walk in closets full of bests.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
He I've remember going to a Hooma State once and
he had a number of vests in his office. Hanging
in his office.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
It was casual dress, sports, pretty.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
It's pretty impressive. It was pretty.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Impressive weather warm weather options.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Did you guys see the picture of retirement John Smith?
He has grown a beard, looks good too, looks happy retirement.
John Smith has a beard and it's a it's it's
a full beard too.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Looks very gray as well, look.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Seasoned, looks full retirement and that he yeah, he he
looked in in the picture that I saw, he looked
pretty relieved as well, like he no longer had to
kind of the same look that Nick Saban has where
he doesn't have to put up with teenage kids asking
(53:50):
for millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
He's on the set on college game days. Yeah, yeah,
and it's like dealing with toddlers.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah no, but yeah, I think, uh, I think we
can call it a call it a night. The only
thing I do wanna I do wanna plug is Elite
eight Duels that will be coming up next week. I
will be there with my crew calling some very very
awesome high school wrestling matches. We're gonna have some content
myself and Will you are gonna put out some content.
We'll have the pools probably next week.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
I just talked to Frett. Well, talk to him every
single day, but I talked to him earlier this morning
about that. So the pools will be coming out next week.
The rosters will also be coming out, maybe later on
this week. But yeah, be on the lookout for e
Lad eight Duels. It's gonna be going down. I will
be there. I'll be pulling some content, getting some interviews
and stuff. But it's the folk style one and just
(54:44):
not the freestyle one. So it should be a really
good time, really really good time. It's always awesome to
see high level kids wrestling against other high level kids,
and it's always event. It's a really good event. Frett
will doesn't you know. And I'm not saying this because
he's you know, like family to me. He does an
awesome job running it, you know, he to It's first class, honestly,
(55:08):
it really really is, and everybody enjoys it. And we've
had a couple of fights over the years. Things have
gotten a little bit chippy, but it's awesome event. So
be gonna look out for some Lead eight content and
be going to look out for Elida duels coming that
will be when is that? The twenty first is the
week after the trials, So I'll be headed to Atlanta
(55:29):
for some good scrapping and uh yeah, that's all I got.
You got any parting words for our adoring fans.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Next time you talk to Fretwell, ask him if Compound
has any.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
Best for me.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
I will see if Compound has any best But I'm
sure he would make one. I'm sure he would. I'm
sure he can. He can probably make one. Get a cliff,
get a get a Compound best. That would be pretty dope.
He's pret Well's he does a really good job. The
sweat your I had a sweatshirt made, the commemorative sweatshirt
I made for my uncle was done by a Compound.
(56:04):
So they do a really, really good job. So love
those guys. They're, like I said, they're like family to me,
and it's gonna be awesome as it is. So but yeah,
another awesome show. A lot of people commented on the
last one, so bring in more of those comments if
you guys have any questions. There was there was a
question about Burrows in the last episode that we'll get
(56:28):
to when we do the preview of the Trials. But yeah,
there are any questions that people have about Trials that
that show will be next, so throw them in the comments, like,
subscribe all those things, Hit us up on Twitter, tag
us on whatever you really want, as long as it's
not really stupid.
Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, no, anti best slander.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
I'm going full. I'm going full anti best next week.
Honestly anti best. I'm they're only wearing sleeves next week.
Speaker 4 (57:02):
You're gonna look like Jack's from Mortal Kombat.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Maybe that's this year's Halloween costume. Maybe just giving me
an idea of going as Jacks. So yeah, but no,
awesome show. Gentlemen, Always fun talking some shit and having
some fun. We'll see you guys next week.
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