Post-Olympic Show - IWP 8-14-24

The guys are back to break down an up-and-down showing at the 2024 Olympic Games by the United States

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So excuse the droopy eyes of each one of us.
Four AM or five AM for you guys, comes pretty
quickly with wrestling being in other countries. But you know,
you think we're pretty battle tested at this point, but
we're back. Wrestling is now over. The Olympics are now over.
The first day without the Olympics is kind of weird, honestly,
because you wake up every day and you're like, there's

(00:21):
thirty thousand sports on, and as sports fans, you're like,
this is the best thing ever, Like I'm gonna watch
table tennis, I'm gonna watch badminton because it's gonna get
super extreme in the metal rounds. And now you wake
up today and you're like, shit, there's nothing on, Like
what what am I supposed to watch now?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yesterday I rewatched. Yeah, that's that's a smart move. I
had forgotten that the Tigers play baseball kind of you
know some days, like they have a game today, I'll
watch that.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah, what were your guys thoughts, like overall, not just
not on wrestling, but overall on like all like other
sports with the Olympics. Whudos to that vaulter, which which
one the the one that the video is going around everywhere,

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or the one where the guy broke the record.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Probably one.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
I didn't know there was a record broken.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
I think there's two records were talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
These are different records. The one that didn't come home
with a medal.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Good Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that one. That was a
pretty viral moment that I don't think anybody has ever seen.
But even though he didn't win, I'm sure he never
never have to look for a date again.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Fine, I'm sure he didn't win a medal.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Olympics. Being in that Olympic village, I'm sure he was
just fine.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
God, the the videos, muffs Awards, good to go?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Did you see a Meats video of stealing the muffins
out of the Olympic village. Yeah, everybody was going nuts
over these chocolate muffins apparently, and Meat decided that she
was going to smuggle like thirty of them out of there.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
By the way, she's an awesome follow on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yea, her videos throughout everything so not not just a
savage that'll rip your head off. She also has a
ton of personality too, which is really really cool.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, yeah, is there like a security guard that was
going to stop her from stealing the muffins.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I think there's I don't know if you're like allowed
to take food out of the cafeteria portion because of
like it's like a it's like a huge dorm, right,
Like it's that's what I'm assuming.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
It's like a huge dorm. So they don't want food
in rooms or.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I'm sure they had living in the cardboard beds.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, I mean they're giving them cardboard beds is ridiculous.
But no, I mean I thought that the Olympics was
I thought it was really cool obviously, but yes, there was.
It was a bit of a shit show behind closed
doors and things that we couldn't see. My girlfriend's uh boss,

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she to, my girlfriend works at like a facility that's uh,
it's like a child facility. They also do like gymnastics training,
and her boss used to be Jordan Chiles's coach when
she was little wow sough. She she went to the
Olympics and the thing about Noah Leisle's having COVID, she
was like, it was.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Really well known that like a number of athletes had COVID.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
It was like so so the fact that like back home,
we didn't know that all these athletes had COVID was
like insane and that when it came out for him,
everybody was going nuts.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
But like we were.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I was talking to her boss yesterday and she was like, yeah,
like a ton of athletes had COVID. Like he was
not the only athlete to be competing with COVID at all.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
It was.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
It was he was at the club three days later too.
In a way.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, I mean you get a doctor, but yeah, I
mean you get a negative test and you're you're right
back into the wild. So I think it was probably
we're saying to asthma, if.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
We have a large congregation of people in a small
area that a highly communicable disease is going to get
spread around, it's wild. Wild. I mean, I'm glad it
didn't make a bigger impact. I mean we saw the
impact that I had on Tokyo. Uh just with with everything,
you know, the time frame, with the impact that had
on the athletes, the impact I had, spectators and how

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everything worked. So I'm glad that it didn't you know,
shut things down like two years ago. It would have.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
So yeah, no, allows must go to doctor. Feel good
right back out there. Yeah, that's a Modley Crew reference
for those who missed it.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
So I mean, I mean, but still like having COVID
and extreme asthma the way he does and still you know,
getting the bronze medal is amazing.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
So yeah, do you see Tyreek Hill talking about that
today though?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, because Tyreek thinks he's literally the fastest person in
the world.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
There's levels he's fast.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
He's still fast.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
He's not track, He's not track fast anymore. I don't
think he used to be. I mean, he's obviously he
was a track athlete. I think he showed up to
what was it, sort up to something some event at
some point and like want it and like you know,
blasted the competition.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
But yeah, like Olympic fast is completely different.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Like I could probably win a middle school.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Track Hey, listen, I was extremely impressed by what's your name,
Sydney Sidney McLaughlin lavron amazing Like.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, paras sister, Yes, yes, there were.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
No There are no angels around though, or little straight dogs.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, there's probably plenty of those, to be fair.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Plenty of those. There were.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I saw people that were like if you're I saw
tweet the one day.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, it might have been to day.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I can't remember all the last week has kind of
smashed together. But it was like if you're over, if
you're if you're thirty five and over and saying this
was the best Olympics, how can you forget about Atlanta
and this and that and that and this, And I'm like, yeah,
but this was just different. This, this Olympics just kind
of hit different for me. I feel like it was

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the best one.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
You guys think, I mean I was too young, and
I mean I was it was ninety six. I was
ten probably, and then yeah, so this is this was
cool for me, I said, I mean I didn't watch
the ninety six Olympics. Maybe forty five and over would
have been a better number, but yeah, maybe it was
pretty awesome for me.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
At least there wasn't a bomber. That's that's good.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Mh.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
I kind of put akbash on some of the fun. Yeah,
ninety six was great because it was being in Atlanta,
showed out US had a fantastic performance overall, Michael Johnson
and the gold fleets and all that stuff. It was great.
I felt like this one was kind of more choppy
to me, and maybe that's just kind of how I

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viewed it. They think there wasn't a lot of time
for me to sit down and watch it other than wrestling,
except in little chunks with the kids, So maybe that's
maybe that's part of it. I vote that we have
all Olympics on East Coast time from now on, just
because it would make my life a lot easier. But
I mean, overall was great. We knew going into US

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was heavy favorites for the metal hall, and they delivered.
There's a lot of great moments. Gymnastics was good, okay,
Leadecki winning nine and thirty sixth to medal, So lots
lots of fun things throughout. It's always it's always fun
to watch the Olympics. Kind of get a different feel,
except for the weird break dancing waiting, but that's a

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whole other.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Conversation which will not be back in twenty twenty eight anyway.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
So we only.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
We only have one one year of break dancing, but
we do get baseball, softball, and like a number of
like other.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Sports back in the America, cricket, cricket, squash and hey listen,
flag football.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't know, yeah, flag football comes into flag football,
I think is.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Where we'll make a lot of money. But I don't
know about baseball.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I mean, sho he Otani is an absolute beast.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
So it's during the baseball season though, So I don't
know how many of those guys are actually gonna play.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, but they might. They may do.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
They'll do like an all.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Star break, like a long break, right.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, yeah, like the women, like the WNBA goes on
break for the time frame of the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
So I think by twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
They might build it into their season or something like that.
I mean, it's years away, so we'll figure it out.
But yeah, yeah, I think I.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Know about this flag football. I'm very intrigued.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, guys, and no, no, the NFL players are playing.
They said they're playing.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, yeah, we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, I mean the the NFL Roger Goodell already came
out saying something or along the lines of like he
wants our guys to participate, and he wants that to
happen because I mean, if you think about it, it's
better for the shield, right because it's international now and
they want to get into all these other different countries
with there's like n yeah, like there's NFL UK and

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NFL Europe and stuff like that too. So I think
that kind of opens up more revenue streams if they
allow NFL players to come in and then they're like, oh, okay,
maybe that wide receiver has some speed. We can put
pads on them and throw them in the NFL. Right,
So that's what I see it, as with with Goodell
loving its.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Supplement of developmental.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Draft exactly exactly. So let's let's move to some wrestling talk.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Is that what we're supposed to do here?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I think that's what we're supposed to do, you know,
still still with a peyton with a broad brush.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Though.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I love the format. I loved having.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
One weight on this mat, one weight on this mat,
one weight on this mat, right, it was awesome. I
thought it really worked really well for viewing purposes. And
you knew, you know, where everybody was going to be
the you know, they had the lineup that came out
like we knew. I mean, it was I felt like
from a viewership standpoint, it was very well run. So

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and then obviously Burrows did an amazing job.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
He really crushed it.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
My only thinking was could we tweak that? I know
they put ministry style last because that's the most viewership.
But would it be beneficial to do one of each
style each day? One Greco, one women's freestyle, one men's
freestyle instead of front loading greco and backloading men's free style.

(11:09):
Just spread that out. There's one athlete going every time.
But would that make it more convoluted with like rule
sets And I don't.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Know, I don't know. I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I think here's the thought though, right, is viewership the
longevity of it because you have you have eighteen individual
individual tournaments, so they're they're gonna spread those out as
well and as much as they can. And men's freestyle
in every country, well I shouldn't say every country because

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some countries greco is the you know, penultimate.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
But for the most part problem why but because that's
what they grow up doing.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's just so foreigned us.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
It's yeah, it's super foreign to us. Like their programs.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's it's all international styles where we still art folk style, right,
there's not There may be kids now that are starting
with freestyle, but we start folk style.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
So for us, they're like, what is this? What is
this like control?

Speaker 5 (12:10):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (12:11):
He's rolling across his back there should be points when
there's not right. So I'm sure for them and it is,
But like, I think the the idea of it is
to stretch it over as long of a period as
possible because it's a revenue thing, and if you're Snoop Dogg,
You're like, yeah, stretch this shit out. I'm getting five
hundred K a day, so let's make this happen. But like, yeah,

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I mean, I would. I think it would be pretty
dope to have you know, one you know, one freestyle,
men's freestyle, one women's freestyle, one greco. But I just
think from a scheduling standpoint, there's like, you know, it's
probably best if we do it this way for revenue
purposes and for viewership and ratings.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I just feel bad for the wrestlers who had to
wait until the last day, you know what I mean.
It's like, you don't get to just hang out and
be at the Olympics and just like live your life
and enjoy that experience. You have to train and prepare
and then all of a sudden it's over and everyone
goes home.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
To closing ceremonies. You get the hell out of here.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, especially because they they're not even they're not even
in the Olympic village. They were in the the wrestlers
were in the Olympic Village, I think for what like
three days. They had opening ceremonies and then they left
and went to Normandy. So it was just like everybody
was just gone. Like I remember, I didn't and I
didn't realize that until I saw a Dake's video of

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them like riding scooters and whatever down They're like, oh,
in this really cool beach town and you know, them
taking pictures that in Normandy. So I didn't realize that
they had left the Olympic Village and that they were
training somewhere else. But I mean, I think that's really
awesome that they're able to do that. But yeah, like
you're just you're just gone like for for like a month. Yeah,

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experience is very it, Yeah, it really is so. And
even even with like gymnastics, gymnastics is so long, like
some mobiles didn't even go to the opening ceremonies and
she was still competing like right around when wrestling was starting,
and that was like a while after.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know, they were at the end.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
So so many, like a lot of these sports are
just competing for such a long time. So many of
these athletes have to peak for a very long amount
of time. So yeah, but I mean I really thought
it was It was great. It was a great setup.
You know, from from our perspective of viewership. The Peacock

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app didn't always work for me on the multiview, so
I had to bust out the computer, you know, I
didn't not all three would play at the same time.
Sometimes I'd get two mats to work. But overall, you know,
you were able to see everything. I hope they never
use a ref cam again.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
And I was disturbed.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I was so shitty. That was so bad.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
I like the concept of it, but I just don't
think it well, yeah, it's like you.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
Get to see what he's seeing, which is cool ideal wise,
but you know, when it actually can.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
That's what I'm saying, like it's on the side of
their head, like that was a problem, but it.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Is what it is.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
But no, like I said, overall, I enjoyed all of it.
But now now that everything's done, and as American fans,
you know how we are prone to overreaction and yeah, right,
like I think in anything, but you know, obviously the

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wrestling community is going to jump to we need changes
to this, and we need changes to that when the
act when our expectations aren't met.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
And I'll admit, like looking at our team, I had
high expectations for the team.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I think, you know, we predict. I think we all
predicted around eight or nine medals. I mean, I think
they ended up with seven anyway, But like, you know,
so we're not too far off of like what we predicted.
But I think we predicted higher finishes for a lot
of the guys. And you know, I certainly predicted that
Mason Parris would come away with a medal, you know,

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and Snyder, you know, Snyder looking for his tenth in
a row.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I just I was on on a show with Nick Costco,
and Nick and I were talking about how Snyder was
maybe kind of taken for granted a little bit, right,
and I think that certainly was a thing where everybody
was super shocked that he didn't medal. It was just like, no,
Snyder's gonna go out and he's either gonna get you know,
he's gonna get one of the three, and when he doesn't,

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it sends shock waves, right, and then Brooks loses and
everybody's like oh, we should have sent Taylor And it's like,
so just you know, through through our entire process out out,
like we talk about these other countries that are super
corrupt and do you know, whatever the hell they want
when it comes to picking their team, but then we

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hit one major hiccup and we need to join them.
Like it's just it's just ridiculous. The high expectations were
insane to me, and like just seeing the hyperbolic reactions
to everything was just ridiculous. You guys, see any stupid
ass takes.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Oh plenty funny. I think it's good that we have
high expectations because that shows you know where we're at
and how far we've come, because mean, growing up, we
didn't have that high of expectations, at least team wise.
We always had good individuals, but until kind of the
resurgence in the early twenty tens when Burrows started hitting

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his stride and the team really kind of came together.
You know, we've been blessed and probably overly so for
the last ten years by the talent that's come through.
So we have high expectations, which is great, but the
reaction to them not being met is is a little excessive.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the standard is certainly high.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
And even even when Burrows won his his gold medal,
he was like, what one of two people to even medal, right.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Like.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, Like it wasn't like there were a ton of.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Was Varner at that one?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
I think I think Varner was non at that one?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, ye to get three medals, two of them gold,
one bronze that year, but like even that was like
holy shit, Like we just was a big gold medals
Like that was a huge year, right, Like the rule
set was completely different, Like you had.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
No idea it show it was.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
It was just it was wild, right, And we hadn't
really experienced a lot of results in our favor, and
Burrows started racking up all the medals and and doing
the things he did, and the guys that we had
that were really amazing in college. I mean, took Dake
a while to make the team, took Taylor a whole

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to make the team, because neither one of them could
beat Burrows. But then once they, you know, once we
had ten weights and things started to really hit stride,
like it, you know, our standards started to become higher.
But I really think that we kind of paralyzed ourselves
where we're just like, oh, Spencer, next question, Oh we

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got Dake and and everybody was talking about this whole
You know, Russia's not there, but if you look at
the bracket, there's a lot of a lot of a
lot of names that end with these, So let's let's
call it what it is. Russia was there, just not
their flag. So the asterisks talk that went right out
the window as soon as we start. We didn't get
the results that we wanted, so nobody was talking about

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that anymore. But you know, the high expectations. I was
just like, it's specifically with the men, because I think
with the women, when we looked at it, we were like, hey,
the women overperformed completely, right, like three women in the finals,
Helen grabs bronze. I think we kind of expected things
to go the way that they did for Dom and Miracle,

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where we even said miracles like super close, right, like
she super close, just waiting for her to turn over.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Dom.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
We didn't know what was really going to happen there.
But I feel like she could have meddled. I feel
like she could have been in the bronze Meddal match.
But like we, you know, our competitors were they were
in the thick of it. Every single one of them
was in the thick of it, excluding Reco, which we're
still trying to figure things out. But trashing those athletes.

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Come all put out a really good statement, trashing those athletes,
there's no room for it. Wanting things to grow and
wanting things to be better in that realm, perfectly fine,
perfectly normal, but trashing our athletes.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
We're not going to get anywhere with that.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
So let's you know, put that to bed and start
to try and build, and you know, don't don't bring problems,
bring solutions, right, And I understand nobody has like the
perfect formula for what's going to happen or what should
happen with GRECO because our governing body can't even figure
it out right now. They even demoted GRECO to a
developmental program, so if they couldn't, if they can't figure
it out, we're sure as hell not going to figure

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it out on Twitter. But like, let's not trash the
you know, the people that are out there scrapping, the
ones that are dedicating their lives to these quads and
trying to bring home metals.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
They don't want to lose.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
They're not going out there to lose, you know what
I mean, But like, something certainly needs to change. But no,
I think I think we're in men's and women's freestyle.
I think we're in very good hands from what we saw.
But let's let's talk freestyle a little bit more. Let's
go good, bad, and ugly. Let's start with the ugly

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and work to the good instead of working our way
good good to ugly. What were some of the things
that you guys saw that we're just like head scratchers, Like,
what the hell is going on?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Robbie.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I'll start with you on that one. What were some
of the things that you saw that you were just like,
holy shit, this is good.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
In match adjustments, I think getting hit multiple times with
the same low singles for at least three different wrestlers
that I can think of off the top of my head,
you know, they were living on our ankles and we
didn't make those adjustments, and that cost us several matches
one potential gold medal Becau Spencer couldn't get get through

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the low singles. Hampered Dake a lot too, because it
couldn't get to his chest wrap and use it effectively.
Because he was collapsing down too much. So it's that
that was the kind of thing that really bothered me
because you could see these things and we know adjustment
needs to be made, but we keep seeing the same
thing happening over and over again, same thing with Snyder.

(23:00):
That really kind of paralyzed him as well. Like they
they somebody, uh, multiple countries really saw saw that because
multiple countries were living on low singles on us, and
that really slowed us down in a lot of matches,
whether just a time off the clock or whether it
made us you know, our counter offense. It really took

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that away from a lot of guys, especially Dake, which
is where he scores a lot of his points. So
I think that was that was the biggest concern for me,
is that, you know, with the caliber of coaches that
we have there, I would hope and expect those kind
of adjustments to be seen in the match and for
that to be able to happen because these guys are
capable of that and we know that. So that's that

(23:44):
was the biggest area of concern for me.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, they're you know, I would have
loved to see Snyder attack more. Certainly, in his bronze
medal match against Taz, he was attacking Elite and Taz
was just like stepping out of them, and it was
just like, what the hell's.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Going on right now?

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Right Like is he that strong that he can just
step out of him?

Speaker 3 (24:14):
But I feel like.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Snyder remembered being thrown for four right the last time
they wrestled, and that single. When he got to that single,
I was like, perfect, he made the adjustment. He's not
trying to run him over. He knows that Taz is
going to use his momentum against him and that he
can do it on the edge of the mat. He's
not going to go and do that, and he's got
a snatch single right now, and Taz was just like no,

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and then like hould his hands apart and Slider was
like happy to like find to concede that. I was
just like, that was awkward, but Okay, maybe he knows
he can get there now and he'll make the adjustment,
but he just really didn't and he was able to
score some takedowns.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
But then in that last match.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Was the Iranian, he just tied up Snyder's hands and
had amazing risk control and sand was like, I couldn't
really do anything about it. And that to me was
just like super head scratch, because I was like, where's
the attack at. You know, you can't spend a good
amount of time just like hand fighting and hand fighting
and hand fighting, and you know, even with Brooks, I

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was surprised that Brooks. And maybe it's because we're so
used to seeing folk style Brooks and not freestyle Brooks,
but I was surprised that he did as much hand
fighting as he did and didn't just you know, attack
the way he normally does and you know, and and
try to get to a leg more often, you know.
And and for me, it was him shooting when he

(25:43):
did not have to. He was winning the hand fight
battle he did not. That shot was I'm flying too
damn close to the sun. I'm desperate. I need to
slow this down. I need to stop this because if
my legs are open, he can take me down. So
I need to shoot at his leg in the air.
But like he just stopped wrestling. For me, that was

(26:04):
like the worst because he stopped wrestling in a position
where he probably could have finished because he was on
the ankle and he could have kept moving, but he
just decided to hang on and for me, I was just.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Like, man, like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
And you know you mentioned Dike too, like the ankle, Like,
I think that Dake relies so much on his chest
wrap that it's given him slow feet. And I don't
I don't mean that in such a bad way. I
think he's able to score in those different positions that
allowing a guy to get to his ankle has never

(26:40):
been an issue.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
We've seen him literally be.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Cracked down, get his ankle back out and score with
a chest rap.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
It got to build a lot of dangerous positions.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's got to build a lot of confidence. When you
hit that on Jordan Burrow's, you know a couple of
different times, right, you've probably start to feel pretty invincible.
And you know, to his credit, we've seen him hit
Takatani in it over the years, you know, so it's
like he probably felt pretty good going up against him
and knowing he could get there. But I mean, credit

(27:11):
to Takatani, he was completely prepared. One one final thing
on on Brooks too, you know, is I mean that's
that shot at the end of the match has worked
for him a bunch of times in college over the
last couple of years, but it's the Olympic semi finals,
and it's and and he was wrestling a bulldog of
a human being. So that way, you.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Can't stall out in freestyle like that's you can't. It
doesn't work that way. You can't just sit on a
leg and expect to not give up points or to
not have it blown dead immediately. It just doesn't doesn't
work that way.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Yeah, I feel like that a Brooks loss. Maybe it
was there or someone right before that or that day.
I feel like that was kind of turning point for
the US wrestling because it was all so good when
the women's were there. You know, Meat had that gold
hilder break, I had a gold like right to off
the bat. Spencer Lee was I think one of the
first ones. Boom, just steam everybody, and then Brooks was

(28:06):
sitting pretty for what five minutes and fifty eight seconds
and then like it started crumble from there. And then
you know, I think Paris was right after that. Mason
and just kind of a lot of straight on shots,
you know, just the uh, the freshmen that we saw
from Mason Paris just you know, being super athletic, but
like like Claunch said, this is a freaking Olympics. Man.

(28:28):
You're not gonna get away with just athleticism. You got
to be able to create angles. And it was just
it was really really weird how just something turned and
then boom. It was like a lot of bad luck
and bad vibes right downhill from there.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
It was really really strange.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I want to comment on the Paris want a little
bit more. And you know, we were all in the
Twitter group chat talking about the Olympics spitt five am
every morning, right, so, and admittedly, I think early on
in that match there were some interesting call and I'm
not accepting the whole holding center as the only time

(29:06):
that like the passivity ever gets called, because that's just
not correct. It's not how it's It's never been one
hundred percent of the time that it's it's barely been
fifty percent of the time. That right, It's all subjective,
you know, He he'd be and Mason worked really really
hard early in that match to try and blow it open,
and then before he knew it, he was down four

(29:28):
to two, you know, and then he was trying to
just take straight on shots and trying to work his
way back and just ran out of gas, you know,
And it's tough because I you know, we talked about
it too. He gets that leg up in the air,
he kind of walks the guy out of bounds. That
reflets it continue. He works for the takedown, and then
they gave him one anyway, and it's like, it's probably

(29:49):
pretty hard to hold the two hundred and eighty pounds
Mongolian's leg up in the year to that long and
then to trip them.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
So yeah, that was that was the question I had,
was if you were only going to give him one,
why let it continue?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Why let continuation happen in that situation?

Speaker 5 (30:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (30:07):
And I understand, like the ref on the mat gave
him two offered to, but only one was confirmed, And
it just didn't make sense because they can throw up
one as the action is going on to stop the
action from happening. They can throw up one and the
white paddle to stop the action from happening. And I

(30:30):
don't know, maybe I just missed it, Maybe I gotta
go back and watch that match, but they didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
They allowed continuation, They allowed him to continue to work
towards a takedown and then just ended up giving him
one point. I also think that him getting thrown for four.
I think how he finished that situation if he rolls
to his stomach in frustration instead of rolling to his back,

(31:00):
A very big difference, very big difference in my opinion.
But yeah, him taking straight on shots was just like
stop trying to show him that you're strong. That's at
he's right, Like I remember saying that watching it, Like Mason,
we know you're strong, but you have to create angles

(31:22):
on these guys. You cannot continue to take straight on shots,
straight on shots, straight on shots like it just made
no sense at all to me when the takedown that
he scored was scored because of his full work and
his athleticism and his movement, like staying in front of
those guys.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
And as big as Mason is, he's not a big
heavyweight in that regard. He's really not.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Him and Snyder, as strong as they are, are on
the smaller side in their weight classes.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
So there should be.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
More more of a dynamic and more dynamic attacks that
that you know that come from guys that are this strong,
that have the footwork, because we've seen it.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
We've seen them have all kinds of footwork throughout their careers.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
And yes, Snyder's twenty eight and Mason's what twenty three,
twenty four?

Speaker 3 (32:17):
At this point like.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Still still like young, but like use your footwork, you know,
I feel like there needs to be more footwork and agility.
And obviously I don't know anything about their training, but
when it comes to being out there on the mat,
taking straight on shots is not going to work. Hand
fighting and try to tire a guy out is not
going to work, right, Like, it's just not a strategy anymore.

(32:39):
Like everybody has a gas tank, now are our gas
tanks from folk style aren't really going to work?

Speaker 3 (32:47):
They worked for.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
A very long time, but now we need better tactics.
And it just sucked to see Snyder not be able
to get to a leg or Mason taking straight on
doubles or straight on singles and not trying to create
angles and you know, not not trying to really change

(33:09):
what he was doing, right, He wanted that takedown and
he was so stubborn about it and it just didn't work.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Out well, and especially against a guy who's doing such
a strong job holding center right, just masterful. I'm gonna
be telling my kids about that one day.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, yeah, it just it just wasn't just wasn't good, right,
And and also I think you were right. There's there
was such strong momentum, you know, Hildebrandt making the finals
and winning gold, and Meet winning gold, Helen making the semis,

(33:48):
who else Brooks making the Semis. There was just like
so much momentum Spencer mowing mowing everybody down.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
The way that he did.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
And you know completely I know that his first match
was three two, but that wasn't a three two match
like those last two points where there's a throwaway points.
In my book, he looked amazing throughout the entire tournament.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Even in the finals. I feel like he looked really good.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
He just kind of hit it hit a wall of
somebody that you know knows knows what he was doing
right so.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, and on that same day too, for that matter,
team of mean Miles was in the Semis as well
that day, right, So yeah, and so you know it
was just back to back to back losses for a minute.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, And like you said, like even even though it
means not representing America, we're we're riding high on all
our all our guys going out and doing what we've
seen them do on the NCAA level for a very
long time, right, So it was just like pure excitement
and pure joy and then it just all came crashing
down once we hit the semis and just was not good.

(34:51):
So I think that's the the bad and the ugly
that that we've seen the good side of things. The
women were in good shape on the on the women's side,
I think Helen may be done. I don't know about
hildebrand She might be. I know she talked about being
done after what was that after Tokyo and had to

(35:15):
be convinced to come back, like convince.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Herself it is it is right.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Off, It really is. It's it's.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
The very few times you get a chance to walk
off the mat and be like, I'm golden, this is
you know, my last match. Everything was aligned for her
right like when And I hated the I hated the
fact that people immediately jumped to Hildebrandt's gonna win gold.
Now that now that Yui is out of is out

(35:49):
of the way, I'm like, did we did we forget
what Helen just did in a in Olympics? You know
what two Olympics ago? Like, do we forget that that
even happened? So like for me, yes, Sazaki was definitely
the overwhelming favorite, but I'm not ever going to rule

(36:12):
out an American who has been in the finals, who
has been on this world stage for a very long time.
It's just like, damn y'all, Like, how much confidence did
you not have in Sarah If you're just like Sasaki's out,
it's all it's all down. It's all all down to
Sarah now, like stop, Like, there's very good women that

(36:34):
are in this entire like counting the one that she
was supposed to wrestle in the finals, which that was
a very weird situation.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
But overall, I was very.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Impressed with Sarah, like extremely impressed impressed with her her
ability to just like shut everybody's offense down, get to
her offense, and she had different tactics in every single match.
You can tell that she had game plans for every
single person that she wrestled, where you know, the first
one was leg laced, the next one was, I'm gonna
be a little bit more defensive.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Here, more go behind more down blocks.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
So she she did so.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Well, and I'm going to stay on the women where
they did really well throughout the entire tournament. I was
very impressed with each one of them. I mean even
Don Parrish. She may have lost in that represtage match,
but she looked very good. She you know, early on
she was attacking. She was you know, running the girl
off the mat.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Even though Miracle didn't meddle.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I feel like that was a huge confidence boost for
her to go six six with tiny Bakova, especially the
way that she did it. She was probably the most
creative of every single United States wrestler.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
That roll through at the end was so cool, you
like to get those last two points and ultimately, you know,
didn't do it for her, but that was a pretty
pretty dynamic and the.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
One the one she hit in what was it her
first match to get the tech, Yeah, like girl draped
over the top, she goes with both and just rolls
to pick up to that.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Like she was super creative.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
And that's that's what I loved, is like she just
opened up her bag in these matches where we saw
some stuff creatively. For me, she's she was number one
on the creative scale of scoring points and going after
it and just laying it all on the line. Super
I mean, you're obviously sad for every American that doesn't matter,

(38:33):
but super sad for her because she was out to
avenge a loss and you know, it was so close.
And yes, you can say the challenge is what did
it for her, you know, throwing that challenge is what
ended up giving up the criteria.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
But man, I was super impressed by her. Impressed by Helen.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
You know, and then from from you know, a meat
The way that she looked hands down amazing. So I
think out of everyone, the women's team is what I
was most impressed with, you know, and obviously Kennedy Blades
doing things that Kennedy Blades did that the picture that
I tweeted went absolutely wild, and I was like I

(39:19):
did not like obviously you expect it, but it was
just like holy shit, right, it was all over everything.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
You saw clips of that throw everywhere. I'd be surprised.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
If that clip doesn't go on, it's gonna be like
ELS's flying squirrel.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
We're gonna see that clip a lot. You know, it
sucks that the girl was hurt. You don't want anybody
to ever be injured. Yeah, like it was. It was.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
It was ugly, but it was a beautiful throw. It
was an absolutely that's textab it hurts so good. I'm
just gonna keep going with these old school references. I
wonder what the demographics of this show are. I got
I need people to tell us if they like these.
I know, yeah, look into some of the analytics of
who's watching and how old they are. I'm sure that

(40:04):
most people are getting each one of these references.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, I'm not going to stop if the demographics don't
mirror it.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
But you know, I like them, claw and you keep going.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Thanks for you, Austin.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Now the women was my high point. Austin wanted to
know your thoughts. What were some of the high points
that that you kind of pinpointed and kind of got
you out of your seat and probably woke your young
children up at four o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
No, I mean just seeing the youth, the twenty year
olds doing it, you know, between Kennedy and a Lore
Like we joked about last time, and I haven't old
enough to buy a beer any kind of.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Alcohol legally in the US, which is really young. But
they have champagne in France though they could. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
That was actually talking my wife a little bit too.
And they were showing some of the clips of you
know Helen and Sarah and you know some of the
older team members right that, they were growing up wrestling boys,
you know, just because girls wrestling isn't a thing then.
So I'm interested to see this next crop of young
girls now that freestyle is so open available to them
at a young age, to see, if you know, we're

(41:09):
going to keep getting better and better from there, just
because they're they're used to that freestyle younger and they're
kind of born and bred into that instead of wrestling
folks style with the boys, like like Helen she did
in her interview, which was I think it would be
something to see. You know, a freestyle versus folk style
at a younger age is going to actually pay off
for the ladies, and I think it will obviously, right,

(41:30):
But yeah, it's just cool to see the youth kind
of moving up and you know, see Helen go out
with a bang like that and very hell in like fashion.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
You know, I think that was cool.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
And yeah, I think women's wrestling is in a really
good place right now, and it's it's shown.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
I agree with that. Yeah, it definitely is men's freestyle.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
And you know, we covered the high expectations, but they
still had a really good weekend. They just didn't meet
the expectations that we had for them. That is literally
through you know, a microscope, Like we we know everything
about Spencer, we know everything about Zane, everything about our team,

(42:13):
and we're like, oh, yeah, these guys are absolute bulldogs.
They're just gonna, you know, they're gonna roll out the
mats and they're gonna have gold medals on the on
the mats for us to pick up, and we're just
gonna walk in and take them and then that's gonna
be over. Kyle Dick was the only favorite for us,
the only one, you know, for for for those of

(42:33):
us that that know, right, Kyle Dick is the only
favorite Spencer may have gotten.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
He got that bump when chich went out, But even they,
I mean, is damn good.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
He's damn good.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
And I had a friend of mine and this is
this is something I want to post to you guys too.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I had a friend of mine text me and say.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Something about Spencer training with Sasaki and training with Haguchi
in the past, and he was just like, see, we
got to stop doing that. And I'm like, stop doing what?
And I'm like, stop training with Gold medalists like people
like Spencer, as good as he is can get better,

(43:20):
and he is going to get better. Each one of
our guys can always get better. Each one of the
girls can always get better. Yes, there's probably some scouting
going on when you're training with somebody who is a
potential threat to your gold medal, but thinking that we
should stop cross training. Like then in the NFL, they

(43:42):
shouldn't do preseason, they shouldn't do scrimmages for anything. Right there,
There shouldn't be any any sort of overlap in training. No,
like other countries are a little bit more developed than
we are at freestyle as good as we are. Look
at what they did, I mean they had they didn't
even was it Japan didn't even qualify every single weight

(44:03):
and they crushed everyone in the metal count when it
came to wrestling, right, So, like it was just funny
to me that that he was like we were. They
were definitely scouting him, and you know, he that that
didn't that didn't help. He shouldn't be training with with
you know, other other countries. And I'm like, and this

(44:24):
is this is this person is a wrestler as well.
He was a wrestler high level wrestler, and I'm like,
so you didn't go to like any other practices to
get to where you got to, Like you just stuck
in your wrestling room like those are the only people
that you trained with. And I was just like, like what,
I I don't subscribe to that, to that thought, right,

(44:46):
Like Spencer, Spencer wants to go and train in another country,
he should go train in another country, you know.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
And I I.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Was reminded after we talked of Geangel Hancock. Hancock was
one of the only Greco guys. And I shouldn't say
only I'm sure that the others have done this, but
Hancock really immersed himself in Greco in other countries where
he was over doing a lot of these things for
a very long period of time, and he was basically

(45:17):
our only medalist for a while. Adam Kuhn was was
a medalist in there as well, but Hancock was very
consistent where you could see the growth, you could see
him doing the things he was I believe he even
beat Hartunian at one point.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
So like.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
That thought of not training with your potential competition is
just it's just insane to me.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
It's got to be hard to find training partners at
some point that push you right at that level. So yeah,
to think that there's not some mutual benefit, right, I
mean it was you know, was he getting scouted? Sure,
but I'm sure we were scouting them too, right, Like
this it's not a one way thing. It's not like
Spencer Winter and was like, oh, I forgot to pay

(46:05):
attention to what he was doing. Yea, Like no, so
it's it's not it's a it's kind of ridiculous, but yeah, anyway.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, yeah, I I just kind of like shook my
head at it, and I was like, I cannot believe
I'm having this conversation right now. But and and I'm
sure he probably watched this and shoot me a text,
but like it's just like, it doesn't it doesn't really
work like that. In mind you they trained together like
years ago. This wasn't recent. This was a couple of

(46:37):
years ago when Spencer wasn't even doing freestyle, right, Like
it just I don't at least I don't at least
I don't think it was recent.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
It might have been maybe maybe it was like a
year year ago or so, but.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
It was a couple of years ago. Because it does
it wasn't when Haguci kind of did a tour through
the US and went to a bunch of different places.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah, I think so well they also he also I
think i WA also did a trip to Japan as
well at some point. So you know, it's just like
I said, it baffled me.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
I know, LVWC was in Japan for at least two weeks,
like like within two or three months ago because Cruise
was over there, Labriola was over there. So yeah, that's
that's that's not a weird thing to happen. I feel
like a lot of people do that. Yeah, So speaking
of I think one of us should get over to
Japan and spy on what those guys are doing because

(47:31):
they are freaking good.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
If I if I volunteer, I'll go, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, but yeah, it's incredible what they did here.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
It was it was insane. Man.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I had written down as one of my favorite things,
like Takatani celebration after you know that, like just to
be able to just live in the moment and be
proud of himself and to just be like, I just
took Olympic silver, like that's still an awesome, awesome accomplishment and.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
After being seventh that you twenty threes a year ago, right, Like,
who was the guy?

Speaker 2 (48:05):
God, I remember pointing this out to my son. I'm
blanking on the name, but it was Greco I think
it was ninety seven kilograms and he he'd been a
world champion in the past. They call him like the
Polar Bear or whatever. And he could not have gotten
out of there fast enough during the metal ceremony. He
did not want to stand for pictures, He did not
want to shave anyone's hand. He never put the metal

(48:27):
on his neck. He just stood there pissed off. And
I was like pointing this out to my son, like,
look at this dude, Look how angry he is to
have just done one of the most amazing things in
the world. Meantime, you've got Takatani who's like literally doing
the meme where like the person in third place is
shooting Champagne out. Yeah, just having the time of his life.

(48:48):
So yeah, that was awesome. That was really really awesome.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Who saw that with Spencer too? Though? I mean with
the rest that he had and how he posted that.
You know that's not what he came for.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
We know that, but you're.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Changed his mind.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Though he changed his mind though, like he I read
the article where he said he gave his medal to
his sister and he didn't even know where it was.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
He has it now. I saw pictures of him posing.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
I think I think Pyle's posted a picture with Spencer
and Spencer was holding his medal, so and it was
it was afterwards he's not you know, they're outside the
arena and everything else.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Like, so I feel like.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
I feel like it's obviously it's disappointment, and I I
do not know what it's like to lose in the
Olympic finals, but I know it's like to lose and
you're you're disappointed. You know, on any scale, you're disappointed.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
And I was really good.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Listen, I did plenty of it myself, right, So, like
you're extremely disappointed of any of that happening, but like.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Still be proud of that accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Man.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Like, there's there's a very finite amount of people that
are able to do.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
That, I think too, Like part of what we're seeing
is that we have such access to them, and we
were seeing them in such a vulnerable spot when it
would probably benefit them to not be in the public
eye in a time like that, and to be able
to process it and go through those effectively stages of brief,

(50:20):
the processing, the loss, processing what's happened you know for
the four, eight, twelve, sixteen years leading up to this,
that that you know, this has been your lifelong goal.
That's a lot to deal with. And then to immediately like, well,
I'm going to go on Twitter and spout off about
how I'm not happy that I got sober. Maybe maybe
don't do that. Maybe just process it and when the

(50:41):
time is right for you to speak on your experience,
then do it. But don't I don't know if people
if they feel like they have to do that, or.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
They like they owe the fans or people watching something.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
Or if it's you know, a generational thing. But he's
not super active on social media, so I don't know
that that one kind of struck me off. And I
wasn't a fan of how all that played out. I
wasn't a fan of had the media played into that,
even not even not wrestling media, but just media in
general that picked that up.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
So I think it's still I always come back to this,
or a lot of times I do. But it's like,
you know, when you're a kid, and he's still a kid,
you know in a lot of ways, very mature kid.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
You know, but.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, I will you know, like he was little. But no,
I'm kidding him. He would kick my ass with one
arm tied behind his back. But like, that's the thing.
It's like, you know, you make an emotional decision, you
just cheot a tweet out or whatever, and then at
the end of the day, maybe somebody you know, older
and wiser like myself, it is like, you know what, man,
you did something pretty cool. You're gonna want to hold

(51:50):
onto this sort of thing so.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Good, you know, and then we can talk about who's
in his corner and the example of that set though too.
I mean, if we're going to be honest, if if
we're going off of how Terry Brand's reacted to the losses,
maybe that's not the best example for him to live
up to.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
The apple doesn't fall for from the tree, does it?

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, I mean, it's it depends on how it's all
the apple tree is.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Yeah, I have how much wind there is?

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, I did have a friend, like another different friend
reach out about it.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Well, look at you, I have two friends.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I have two at least at least two at least
that's one of my only friends.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
But it's just like reach out and say, you know,
his response was very Iowa and you know, not to
not to kind of give that sort of stigma, but
like I feel like it kind of was right. Like
the you get what you earn, you know, sort of
mentality is always it's good to have, but ship at

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that level, like man, because let's call it.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
What it is.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I'm sure Kyle Snyder would much rather be sitting there
with another silver medal as opposed to what he has
right now. Right, I'm I'm definitely sure that you know,
Kayler Miracle would rather be going home with it with
a medal. Dom Paris would rather be going going home
with a medal Mason Paris. Like there there are people
that are on our team that are going home with
nothing after all the work that they put in. So

(53:25):
I can understand the disappointment, but like, let's, you know,
put some context around it, Like you accomplish a major
feed and that's why it's like, so it's so weird
to watch so many different sports, right because you watch
track and field and this person is coming in third

(53:48):
in in you know whatever race, the eight hundred and
they are celebrating. It is a celebration because they're like,
I just medaled at the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
You know, it is a very big deal.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
And not to say that expectations for for them are
obviously different, but man, to come away with a medal
in your in your first or at least even wrestle
for a medal in your first Olympics, it's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
It really is a huge deal, you.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Know, especially for Spencer who hadn't wrestled freestyle in last
four years and was injury plagued for such a long time,
you know, and the and essentially the last major tournament
he wrestled in he was pinned, you know, like outside
of the qualifier and outside of US Open, and Bill Farrell,

(54:42):
like the last major tournament he wrestled, he was he
was pinned, right, So like.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Major feet to do what you did.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
And obviously I'm I'm speaking at like an armchair quarterback
right now, because I would certainly trade places with an
Olympic medalist, But like, let's put things in the in
the perspective a bit and be like, man, like you
just seriously accomplished something, right, and that what you did
was awesome.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Well and to that note too, right, like how Helen
celebrated after her bronze metal planel was was pretty awesome too,
you know. And again I don't know if she's officially
came out and said that she's done or anything like that.
The writing on the wall seems to lean that way.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
She said that it could possibly be her last match.
She said it in an interview that I had seen.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Okay, yeah, got it, So I mean yeah, to be
able to celebrate like that and to have the perspective
of you know, three Olympics and and all that she's accomplished,
to celebrate in that way really does say like this
is this is a damn special thing.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
So agreed.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Yeah. I loved her reaction, like the immediate like joy
and exhaustion and like culmination of everything that's happened in
the last twelve years for her. It was it was awesome.
That was that That might be one of the highlights
of Olympic wrestling for me was seeing how joyous she was.

(56:08):
Her and Sarah both I think really exuded that. So
that was really cool to see and like the changing
of the guard of like seeing Sarah and Helen, you know,
potentially moving on and we're seeing a meet and Kennedy
coming in twenty year olds, both making the finals, meet
bringing home gold. Like that's it's pretty pretty stellar for

(56:29):
women's wrestling.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Yeah, Kennedy obviously had a huge announcement to the senior level,
but then on top of that, Avenge the loss in
the semi finals even make the finals to Cuba who
had just beaten her what.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Like thirteen thirteen four or something like that.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Yeah, so like that's huge, right to have that kind
of a turnaround and the wrestle the way that she did.
You know, she was dangerously close to even winning the
gold medal as well. Well, you know, but on top
of it, like I loved how you know, he's just
mentioned how Helen reacted to winning bronze. I loved how

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Sarah reacted as well, and in absolutely savage picture of
her getting fish hooked and smiling right, and.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Then you know the way that the way that like
a meat.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Responded with like I can't believe this just happened, right,
like just utter shock. So it was just it was
amazing to see how the women went out and wrestled,
and it was awesome to see how the men went
out and wrestled as well.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Sarah was getting fish hooked while counting the timer down.
Yeah it's like five. It was awesome.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah, yeah, I like it was.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
It was great to see what the women did and
knowing that, you know, we're in very good hands when
it comes to the women. And you know, I would
love to, as Austin said, I'd love to see how
the women wrestling freestyle a younger age and being able
to wrestle freestyle at a younger age then real least
starting in freestyle, right, Like, that's just kind of how

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they go about things, wrestling in freestyle, you know, how
that development really helps them in the long run. And
to make to make matters even I won't say worse,
but to make matters funny. Kennedy is a Olympic silver
medalist and now will be wrestling her first college match ever.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
When she goes to Iowa.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Like, that's hilarious, right, that is so funny that that
is happening. And then on top of that, she's gonna
be teammates with Macy Keilty, right, Like, are our most
some of our most decorated women are going to be
college students and wrestling, you know in college this coming season,

(58:58):
so hopefully the development of these other teams starts to
you know, really see things ascend. And now it was
it was awesome to see what they did. And then,
like I said, like everybody's really overreacting like that.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
It was a disappointment.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
It went from this this Olympics, we'll have an asterisk
to this is really disappointing, but in fact, like it
just it shows how much we pay attention to and
I mean we as American fans pay attention to how
things go internationally and and who's really.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
On the scene, right, Like we can look at we
can We've done.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
The preview shows, we looked at you know, a lot
of different wrestlers. But it was even still surprising to
see how these other international wrestlers, how they went out
and competed. So we hadn't seen them in so long, right,
he hadn't seen them in a year, So seeing how
they've grown after watching our guys domestically, you're like, holy shit,
like this is this is insane. The the Iranian that

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that beat Zane his what was it his his quarterfinal
match or his semi final is his semi final against
Musa Kaiev. That was incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah, Musa Kaiyev did not take losing well no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Shocking, Yeah, but like to do that to the like
the returning champ at sixty five did not medal, you
know that the world I should say, yeah that that yes,
Sea Bass medaling was incredible. He probably with with his celebration,

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he probably would have meddled in gymnastics two. Right, the
celebration flip was amazing. But that was that was kind
of eye opening for me. When I watch how he competed,
how he wrestled, and how he like hand fought and
competed and attacked. It was just like, you're this, We're

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capable of this, right, Like he's he's training in the
same place as a lot of our other guys, right,
might be with a different team in a different RTC,
But like the way he competes and the way he
competed incredible, And he competed and he attacked hard, and

(01:01:25):
that was just something that and I'm not saying that
none of our guys attacked hard, but like when you
look at how Zane couldn't get to a leg, or
Snyder couldn't get to a leg, or Spencer couldn't get
to a leg in his in his final You're just like,
man like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
It was. It was awesome to see see Bass do that, right,
and then I also seeing Darian being able to wrestle
for a medal as well, like you know, rb Y
was was shocking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
But I think the weight cut didn't help him. You know,
I think he's a sixty kilogram guy. He's one of
those tweeners through and through. Well yeah, I mean, we'll
certainly see kind of how those guys continue to develop.
But man, you know, I think a lot of people
were like sea Bass got He wrestled out of his

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mind at Worlds to make the finals and was a
silver medalist, and people were like, Okay, yeah, he was
a silver medallist, but can he can he follow this
up with another medal and doing it the way that
he did. He's a serious force and now he's he's
even more on the scene than what he was in
my opinion, So that was that was awesome to see.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
I think there's certainly something to be said about how
much wrestling he's done overseas in the last two years
and how he's putting himself in a competitive environment more
often than a lot of our guys are. There's values
to that. There's value to actually getting your hands on
these guys. We know how domestic competition stacks up, and

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we know that it's always going to be you know,
tight in a couple of weights, and there's people or
or razors in margins in some some instances. But we
you know, since COVID, we've we haven't gone overseas as much.
We haven't sent large contingents places. We haven't you know,
had those those big groups and even as you know,

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a full squad like we haven't sent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Well we don't want to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Yeah, that's definite, all the damn difference in the world.
But like a locker room, Yeah, adjusting to that travel,
adjusting to a time change, putting you know, getting your
hands on people from different countries, getting different fields. There's
a huge, you know necessity that I think that that's
something that you know, for the next squad we need
to really be putting more emphasis on. And you know,

(01:03:44):
RTCs have all this money now, so you know, flip
the bill.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
We were a lot of us were complaining about, oh,
so and so drew the returning World champs, so and
so drew the one seed. Well, our guys, why aren't
our guys getting seated first. We're not going to these events.
Piggyback off, Robbie. It's like these guys want to wrestle
once maybe twice a year.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
Is that good?

Speaker 6 (01:04:08):
I mean, based off these last results, maybe we do
need to wrestle more.

Speaker 5 (01:04:12):
You know. It's like Sea Bass is doing it like
you said.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
And just to finish off on Sea Bass, he wrestled
his Repi Shod match half hour before his bronze medal
match because it was the last day, you know, all
these other guys had had hours to wait, so he
was wrestling, got off half hour later, he's back out
there wrestling for freaking bronze and just sucked it up
big time.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
And you know, maybe that's a.

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
New Jersey in them, as much as you could New
Jersey over Pennsylvania, right, But I think there is something
to that. Just get out there wrestling, get your hands
on these and just knowing how these matches are reft
and how the how these foreigners are wrestling too, because
we brought the brought up before, like staying in the middle,
is that better than active attacks and some refs? Yeah,

(01:04:53):
So we had to learn to adjust to them on
the fly, and you know, I think there's there's a
lot to that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
I think we've beaten this topic kind of with the
dead horse of what we've liked. Let's let's look forward
a little bit. What what's the outlook for Team U
s A. Obviously we talked about Helen and Sarah maybe
moving on and a meet.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
We do that, though, I do have a hot take. Okay,
what's that a second?

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
All right? Ready, now, I I would like to move that.
We put an asterisk next to Iran and Japan for
taking first and second in this Olympics. Russia wasn't there,
all right, So let's hold your horses, Iran, just chill.
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
That we can see what browsers you have open right now?

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
Yeah, no, yeah, let's let's let's let's stick with hot
takes before we look forward.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
What what are some in my My hot take is
is a look forward. But I'll let you guys go awesome.
What's what's your hot take from either from the Olympics
or from you know, anything else?

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
Yeah, my hot take?

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
And I don't really lean one way or the other
thought wise on this, but I was a little underwhelmed shocks,
maybe to see the NLWC guys maybe not upperform to par,
you know, maybe a little sub par. Just seeing them dominate,

(01:06:34):
you know, Penn State dominate the NCAA. Those guys are
always prepared, They always win those big matches, are always
in the right positions at the right time, and just
kind of see what maybe zaying with his concussion, you know,
obviously a little just seeing how Dake couldn't really adjust
to those little singles. I mean we talked about that,
Snyder just you know, we expect him to medal.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
He didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
Is at a sign of his age, you know, lack
of preparedness.

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
You know, they had a fourth guy in there, Brooks,
you know, it was two seconds away, and you know,
I just maybe it's just not being in that position
enough against competition. You know, I don't know what that is.
But like I said, I don't think it's not not
putting Penn State down, obviously not putting any Lion Club down.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
It's just you're used to seeing.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
All those guys win at those big matches, be prepared
for those big moments, and it seemed like no of
those guys really pulled through in.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
These similar situations.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
Obviously Olympics is way different than NCAA Championships, right, But
you know, that's just one thought that I was kind
of lingering about it. It's just weird to see these henstit
Penn State room guys and you know NLWC guys just
not overcome and you'll come up to that challenge if
you guys have any thoughts on that, or.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
The bar is certainly high with them, right like, yeah,
it watching them win titles domestically and why how many
people they put on the team. And then I mean
there was a reason why the trials were at Penn State,
right Like, It's the same as why the other trials
were in Nebraska when Burrows was there, right Like, there's

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a reason why these things happened.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
So yeah, I can agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
I mean it every like, like we said before, everything
was smooth sailing up to a point. Zane had certainly
ad a bad draw. I think Brooks was more than
capable of making it to the final, just one mishap
with Snyder. He lost to two guys that had beaten

(01:08:39):
him before, so they kind of had the formula of
what it was and he couldn't get over that hump yet,
So who's to say, But yeah, I I just think
that it's high expectations that we have for our team
comes from looking at them again right through a microscope
the way that we do.

Speaker 6 (01:08:59):
Yeah, just to finish on that, you know, Dake's Bronze
Metal match was freaking crazy, right, It's like, where's where's
is Kyle Dake from? He just seemed overly flustered, overly frustrated,
and not really himself. And I remember Jordan on the
broadcast was saying, like, coach needs to get in there
and calm him down, you know, at the break or

(01:09:20):
whenever there was some time for the talk, like calm
him down, put him back in the moment. And then
twenty seconds that Dake goes crazy and four bombs and
it's like, okay, where was that Kyle take before? You know,
But yeah, it just seemed like that that match. It
I think that loss really broke Kyle, and I think
it kind of needed that long break that I challenge
him at at the rest, just to reset, get focused,

(01:09:42):
and get back to doing Kyle Dake stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Agreed, Robbie, your hot take, well, I mean it's not
super hot. We need to do something in record. It's
been so I mean, it's we're not that hard removed
from a world championship. What has happened in the last twenty,

(01:10:07):
you know, fifteen twenty years that has gone from us
being so high to us not performing at all, not
qualifying all the weights, not picking up any wins, barely
getting any offensive points. You know, there's a lot a
lot of bad blood with the way Limblin left and

(01:10:29):
the change over there that ended up not being a
changeover and then changing again. Like there's been so much
instability there that we need to figure out something. And
I know there's a lot of people within the Grecor
community who are trying to do things like the Combat
Wrestling Club is doing Greco only training and really pushing that.

(01:10:51):
There's a few clubs like that across the country that
are trying to make more of a movement for Greco
to be a you know, the sport that these guys
are are doing and not you know, just a one
one off that once they're done with folk style, which
is what it has been. I don't know what the
answer is. I don't know if we need somebody who's
not entrenched with USA Wrestling not even involved with USA

(01:11:14):
Wrestling to come in and kind of shake things up. John,
he's not doing anything. He has medals from him then,
and you guys all together.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Did you guys see that Sam hayes Winkle story.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Yeah, there are some great beyond stories.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
He just comes in the room and just goes ah
And everybody knows that means like challenge him and he
just kick their ass and leave.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Maybe that is the answer he's I mean, it would
certainly be a face and it was a good you know,
proven track records. Maybe he can coach, Maybe you can't.
I don't know, but we've got to do something, and
there's got to be stability. There's got to be somebody
who takes charge. And we need to have a coach,
hear and cohesive plan instead of just throwing all these

(01:12:03):
different ship at the wall. Who can something works and
and and it hasn't. And like you said earlier, it's
no no shade on the wrestlers. They're doing everything they can.
They're they're out there competing and trying to do it.
We're just not in a place as a program in
the country to be successful right now. And what do
we need to do to move forward to to fix that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Yeah, agreed. I have no other points add to that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
I'm a shitty groco coach, but I'll take it over.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
My final hot take is that I think that we
should have Jordan Burrows on the team every year because
clearly he's the tide that rises all ships, you know,
so when he's on the team, we do pretty well.
So let's let's get him back.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
I think, yeah, that'd be nice. I think he's I
don't think he's done yet.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
I think omaha, a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Yeah, so do I That is that is not my
hot take. That is something I said before. Uh and
we all agreed on before. Or my hot take is
that by twenty twenty eight, we see a weight shift
by Dake Brooks and Snyder, and I think Snyder moves heavyweight.

(01:13:18):
Brooks is at ninety seven and Dake is at eighty six.
Because Dake mentioned something about the weight cut a little bit.
It was it was kind of in passing. You didn't
say it was like an issue, but like he did
say something about making seventy four.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Right, it's not as easy as it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Used to be, but he still loves to get thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Yeah, exactly right. But he did.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
He did mention, you know, wanting to continue competing, and
that he wanted to wrestle at non Olympics. But if
you wrestle at the Olympics, you can't wrestle at non
Olympic weight Worlds. So I think we continue to see
him compete, and I don't think that he is just
going to compete for one or two more years. I

(01:14:05):
think he goes one more quad and wrestles in twenty
twenty eight, or at least attempts to make the team in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
I think Snyder at that point he'll be what thirty two,
So he might want to just be bigger, right and
not have to make make weight anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
But can he get much bigger?

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
I think he can. Honestly. Snyder lifts. Snyder was lifting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Weights like crazy before and I was having a you know,
the conversations that I had with my friends, and somebody
said that he looked a little small, and I was like,
is that is that in comparison to twenty twenty three Snyder,
or is that in comparison to the fact that Taz
and then the duty Russell for bronze I can't remember his.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Name was it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
I can't remember who his name is right now?

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Is that the fact that they are just huge, right,
Like Taz is very tall, like all those guys are
very tall. Like Snyder is like my height, right, Like
I'm like five to eleven. He might even be a
little bit shorter than me. He is, you know, so
like him being as big as he is is because
he eats the way he is he does and he

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has the massive frame and build to do all those things.
And he's been a big kid essentially all his life
and now he's a big grown man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
But like I feel like if he wanted to, he.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Could just continue to get as big and strong as
he really wanted to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
You know, I'd be concerned with that because I mean
I made the comment in you know, one of the
group chats that I'm in that his breathing seems to
be an issue. And I don't know if that's because
the bulk and majority of his book is upper body.
M hm, he doesn't have I mean, he's strong, olverybody.
He's not thick there like he is the upper body,

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and you see like a lot of labor breathing from
him and not like a gasping for air or you
know what it is. But it's a lot of like
keaving breathing from him, and I don't know how beneficial
would be for him to put additional weight on his frame. Yeah,
I mean, ye be successful at an heavyweight in college,
but that's a different ballgame and those are different human beings.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Hey, maybe maybe he stays in ninety seven and it
becomes a Brooks versus Snyder in twenty twenty eight, because
I this will be the last time we see Aaron
Brooks at eighty six. He already said he's going up
to ninety two and he'll reevaluate when twenty twenty eight
comes around.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
I do not see him cutting any weight in twenty
twenty eight. I don't. I don't see that happening, not
one bit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
So as well as Dake, I think at that point,
Dake's what thirty six, thirty seven. I don't see him
wanting to still make seventy four. I even see Spencer
potentially going up because he said that like grown men

(01:17:13):
shouldn't weigh one hundred and twenty five pounds.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
He's not wrong, but he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
So maybe maybe he goes up to sixty in you know,
in there for Worlds and you know there's other guys
that can come in at fifty seven and he goes
sixty for Worlds, just like like he may have developed
into being a tweener like Rby and Dayton and some

(01:17:40):
of these other and you know, so maybe we see
him go up to sixty because I don't think that
he really wants to be that small. I think he
probably wants to feel a little bit more natural and
like a natural human being and not a natural big wrestler.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
For the weight.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Even her Gucci hu Gucci Ussel is sixty five at
one point, so like he cut a leg off probably
to make that weight, right, like he's he's pretty big.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Maybe he was like that vaulter he had off the
pole vault.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Yeah, that's that's my hot take is that we see
by by twenty twenty eight, and probably as early as
twenty twenty six, we see a weight shift.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
You see Herci doing pole vault. He won't he won't knock.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Off the pole, so we'll see a weight shift.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
I'm not sold that day goes another four years. Well
that was like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
That's a lot if we're getting too like the the
you know, original point of the question about like, looking
at the future, I think we could see, with the
exception of Brooks, maybe a whole different lineup.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
I mean to ask that, Yeah, how many I think
we see Brooks back, and maybe that's it. I think
everyone else is either going to be gone or get
beat out by someone younger coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
You don't think Spencer goes another quad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
At this point? It's fair, It's reasonable to think that. Well,
of course you think he wants to, but is his
body gonna let him? I mean, like that's a reasonable
thing to say. We don't them.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Knees are pretty new, they are new.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Nobody wants to anything. I feel bad even saying it,
but I think it is a reasonable thing to consider,
you know, knowing how long it took us for us
to us to have the privilege to watch a Wressel
freestyle again to begin with, Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
Yeah, maybe he takes a year off, feels up and yah,
finds love in the sport again. But yeah, I think
between him and Brokes are probably the main too. I
think everyone else is. I think we'll see them at
twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
And that was the thought that I had too. Austin
is you know, would it benefit some of these guys
to take a year off in a quad and not
compete and not go for a world title and just
let their bodies heal and you know, go abroad and
get your hands on some other people, but not you know,
have the sole focus of world championship. You know, would

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that be beneficial to them?

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
And it's it's tough though to earlier in the same
conversation saying that they should go compete more and then
saying that they shouldn't. Maybe my thought.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
With that more is is like Dake, you know, somebody
who's in his thirties. Yeah, at the end of his
competitive cycle. You know, is it going to benefit him
more to to go, you know, balls of the walls
for four more years and see what happens. Or would
it be good to you know, have a light year
and then refocus and reset, maybe go to Stillwater and

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coach for a couple of years. There's apparently some money
they're waiting for him.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Yeah, that was my thought too, And it was funny
like it, I feel like takes maybe a year off, right,
takes a year or two off, and because if you
think about it, the only thing he hasn't he hasn't
won yet is the Olympics, So he takes a year
or two off, allows like just normal training, nothing hard,

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nothing rigorous, it's all technique based, and you know, continues
to let that Benjamin Button thing happen so that by
the time he's you know, thirty, By by the time
you cut the leg open and the ring, say thirty seven,
he's he's still thirty three, right, like something along those
lines of just like really investing in his body and

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his training, being smart about it, being a normal human
for a little.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Bit, and not having to be.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Struggle.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Just you know, it's just it's just a little different,
right I that's and I mean this was literally the
last topic, right is like looking forward, it's just like
what does our team look like?

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
You know, who do we who do we have on on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Specifically on our men's team, because we do have so
many of these wrestlers that you know, it's not it's
not a very youthful team.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
The women very youthful team. A lot of youth.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
When it comes to the women's side of things, at
least specifically with two of our finalists, right, But on
the men's side, who's to say that Dake is still
there in twenty twenty eight, or Snyder. I mean, everybody's
saying that Snyder goes another quad. Oh, he'll be the
same age as Dake when twenty twenty eight comes around.

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But it's like, who knows if he still wants to
be I feel like he does. I feel like he
wants another medal and and doesn't want to go out
on that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Kind of a note.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
So I feel like he'll still be there, which is
why I feel like maybe he moves up. Maybe he's
just like, I'm just gonna get big strong, use some
athleticism like I did against big heavyweights in college, and
go from there. But no, I honestly think that, you know,
Brooks and Carter Serachi are going to be looking to

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be the guys in twenty twenty eight at eighty six
and ninety seven, if Carter does go a full quad
and doesn't decide to want to fighting, because I know
that's something that he's expressed his interest in. But now
I think Spencer does does come back. I think Spencer
goes another quad. I think Yanni is in there. I

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think Veto is in there twenty twenty eight. Not to
say that these are the guys I think make the team,
but I think they're still trying to, you know, I
think that I think twenty twenty eight is where we'll
see the guys that have been our perennials on the
NCAA stage be there last year.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
If Yanni doesn't make a team in twenty twenty eight,
I don't see him coming back. If Vito, I don't
see him coming back, right, And by that time, Yanni
and Vito might be at sixty five and seventy four,
to be completely honest, that's what I That's another thing
that I can see with Veto not wanting to wrestle
at fifty seven for the Olympics and saying the weight cut,

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and honestly, part of it was probably his injury as well,
But like at that point he might just be like,
I'm gonna get.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Up to sixty five.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
I'm gonna eat for the first damn time in my life.
He goes sixty five and Yanni, Yanni's not small.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
I'm sure Yanni's gonna be at non Olympics at seventy
kilograms and that's probably where he stays in non Olympic years,
and he goes up to seventy four in Olympic year.

Speaker 6 (01:24:35):
Yeah, in twenty twenty eight we might see Jax Forest
and Bo Bassett and you know those young crop because
they'll be twenty one, twenty two years old.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
Which yep, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
You look at Taz from Bahrain, he's twenty one, like you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
Said, you said from Bahrain.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Yeah, well he represents it representing he looks very Middle Eastern.

Speaker 5 (01:24:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:57):
Yeah, I got a message from guy that uh falls
wrestling on to a high school and he goes. Anyone
with the VILLI at the end or or V at
the end of their name is really good at wrestling.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
You know, all those all those bees at the end
of those names, they are not you know, they they
only represent the name on the singlet.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
They're not actually fun.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Was it Adams TV? It was the first one to
that Bahrain bought I'm sorry, uh paid for his rights
whatever terminology they use. Wasn't he the first one to
go to Bahrain? He competed for them for a couple
of years.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Remember, I think you might be right about that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
That was kind of the start of the you know,
the bidding wars for it, you know, other than the
you know, Soviet block country reshuffling and that, but like
people getting paid to represent other countries and renouncing their
citizenship and things like that. It's a weird, weird thing
in our sport.

Speaker 6 (01:26:03):
Yeah, here's to see which young guys coming up to
it too, twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
You know almost not Facett and Forrest.

Speaker 6 (01:26:12):
Jack's Forrest, but you know guys in that age bracket
and that age group if they're gonna pestil waters elsewhere too,
And you know, more Americans the better.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
It's way more of an option now, right.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Like, and we see people being successful with it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:27):
Yeah, people see j Ferrari with Team Italy. Who knows
Jesus Christ? Well, look good talk, pretty good guy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
I haven't seen him wrestle freestyle since like Cadets, you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Haven't seen him wrestle in three years?

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Well that too, but like even even like internationally, like
I can remember what was it he wrestled Braxton Amos.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
I think at Cadets.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yep, that sounds right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
That was like a really big match back then. I
can remember being in the land of the Zips and
Akron and and that that match was that match was big.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
But yeah, I haven't like that. That's another thing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Right, like the Ferraris will most likely want to throw
their their hat in the freestyle ring at some point.
I think, you know, there's a whole crop of guys
at Iowa. You know Gabe Arnold, who I'm sure we'll
see at some point if we don't. We didn't see
him at the trials, Will we see him at not Olympics?
Will we see David Carr at not Olympics? Right, Like,
things are going to start to get a little bit
spicy here in the next what month, so we'll certainly see.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
But I think the future is bright.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
I think we do have some serious contenders that are
going to need to get their hands on some foreign
some foreign competition and uh kind of see how things
pan out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
But all overall, I'm I'm really.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Happy with how our team showed out at the Olympics.
You know, expectation and all I think that they have.
They did really well. They really did seven medals. There
was a time where we were getting two medals and
now we're getting seven and we have multiple female Olympic

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champions and world champions and twenty and the youngest champion right,
so pumped the brakes. It's it's the sky's not falling.
You know, Japan had a really good year. Iran and
the United States had no champs for the first time,
And I don't know how long something that I want

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to look into and see how long it's been.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Obviously we know about the United States and how it's
been sixty eight since sixty eight but excluding the boycott
in eighty. But like, I don't remember the last time
that both Iran and the United States had no champs.
It's been a while.

Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
But it's an asterisk here. It doesn't count right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Shirts on it, so it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Yeah, Mickey Mouse tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Completely any other hot takes or are we ready to
put this one to bad gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
I'm good, but I'm gonna put my my sunglasses back on.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
They do match the team of hat. I don't know
are they are?

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
They design? They are blue?

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:29:23):
Then I got my uh Freddie Rodriguez shirt shout out
Holt High School and Oklahoma and s I ui and
I think he was at some point going to wrestle
at Michigan State too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Well, gents, it's always fun having fun chopping chopping it
up about the goings on and uh hop back on
here very soon talk about some of the other things happening.
Maybe some of the youth that could potentially wrestle potentially
not wrestle because of w want to jump off ornament.

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
Yeah, let's let's hit on that real quick. With the
cadet situation, everything kind of be an influx because of
the ongoing international incidents. This is the nice way to
put it effectively that you know, we have to travel
through an active war zone to get to the tournament
site and that's not working very well. So my understanding

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is that there's going to be some sort of decision
made by Wednesday, whether we're going to compete, whether the
tournament's going to be moved. But as of now, the
team is in I believe Vienna just sitting and waiting,
So you know, keep them in your thoughts and hopefully
we'll figure out some sort of I don't know, some

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sort of solution for this. I would hate to see
them lose their opportunity to go to a world championship
because of ship that has nothing to do with us.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
So, yeah, Vienna does wait for you. That's a Billy
Tool lyric, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
That was the only one I didn't get.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
I didn't get it. I didn't get that one either.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
It's a fantastic song. I recommend it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
Yeah, I would argue that nothing Billy Joel does was fantastic.
That that's my hot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
I think I think you'll lose that argument. Yeah, they
sunglasses did.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
That's that's a fortune.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
Cold take.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
You go on that note, we will close things out, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Always a pleasure, and ILL see you again next time.