October 15, 2023 • 48 mins
In this episode, Parth & Abdul catch up with a tech mogul who they previously interviewed 5 months ago. They discuss his latest startup, his hiring philosophy and his retirement goals.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:02):
Goodrappling ladies, Zen gentlemen, welcomeback to the Investors' Diary podcast, where
we help you work motto and howeby providing weekly market updates and insights.
This week's episode is exciting as wehave our first ever recurring guest on the
podcast. So, a few monthsago we interviewed an anonymous guest who had
a professional background in tech and hewas working on a few side gigs on
(00:25):
the side, and he is backagain with us today. So, mister
guest, tell us what you've beenup to since the last time we caught
up on the podcast. I've beengrinding another startup. I mean it's the
same as last time. It's justthat it's it's now just a couple of
months in the future, same project. So the progress, So you didn't
(00:50):
abandon the last one, it's stillthe same one. Nah, Like it's
it's like I think, like thelast time we spoke, it's about building
like a really good foundation m andthen going forward and that foundation still building.
Like I've got distracted. I thinkremember like one time I invited you
in like a group chat and wehad that open AI chat bot that I
built. Yeah, and it wasreally clapped okay, and it had that
(01:15):
at that like eleven Lab you knowthat eleven Labs thing, like the one
with the AI voice training. Shit. Yeah, from how clap that was.
It was trash, It was sobad. But I got distracted by
stuff like that for like a goodthree months and then I went back to
building. But I reused the sameUI elements for that, so I never
had that chat kind of thing,you know, that UI stuff that looks
(01:36):
like Facebook Messenger. Yeah right,I mean I never had that framework in
place, but now I do.But like it, I just got distracted
by projects like that. Okay.And how how's that balance between you know,
still trying to doogle ballet in yourfull time role and doing this on
the side. I mean, youget distracted. I'm not gonna lie,
uh I think this week. Youknow how like when you have like TikTok,
(02:00):
like you have Instagram reels and likeyou have YouTube you know, like
the YouTube shorts and stuff, andlike when you're on top of the scroll,
like when you click the comments,that like tiny motor of you like
it pops up, yeah and itwent and then you can you can scroll
it. It's fine, But whenyou're on top of that scroll and then
when you swipe on top of thescroll and then it closes that model.
(02:23):
I was stuck in there for likefour days, Like I did not sleep,
Like it was bad, Like Iwent to work and like half the
time was just thinking about it wasterrible. Ah, So that that infrastructure
for your app is where you're talkingabout. You got stuck on the building.
Yeah, yeah, like you getstuck with a challenge and like these
like like these like TikTok, likethese like Bite Dance tier apps, they're
(02:45):
like the benchmark. If you don'thit those benchmarks, why even execute,
to be honest, So then howdo you deal with these? So,
like, you have a full timejob, you have I think you do
this alone? Right, you don'thave a team yet? Yeah no,
Like I don't intend to have ateam to be so how do you?
So how do you overcome these things? So it's it's a challenge of roadblock.
You have a full time job,you don't have a team. How
do you get past that? Andhow do you find a solution? I
(03:08):
mean it's like you just deal withit, Like what other option is there?
Like if you really think about it, like do you ever get a
team. I'm trying to. Ithink like the team stuff is like it's
really hard m hm, because likeI'm just building the foundation, like that's
(03:31):
not really a product to execute andthen and it's something that I sort of
like want to reuse into the future. So if I get someone to come
in and then like do you knowwhat dead cap like dead capital is,
uh you explained to the viewers,like it's like having like it's like having
someone at the cap table that isthere and does nothing. I got that
(03:55):
right, And and so like allall this like ip that you're building up
and you have someone the freaking captable and you're not doing shit, and
then they're just gonna like take itwhen you're done with it, like you
know, like that that's what happenswhen you get people into early and when
you don't know them. Well hm, I see you don't hear you,
Like you can't like just point likeyeah, and especially like if it's like
(04:16):
someone who says they can do andthen just doesn't end up doing mm.
Yeah. It's like that. That'swhy I like I'm sort of like putting
off working with people. And thething is that when you start working with
people it's where how do I sayit? It's like where they're gonna segregate
their opinions from reality. It's alsoone thing, m So so you see
(04:43):
to understand, So you think it'stoo early to bring on someone because at
this stage of your company, they'regoing to ask for like some equity,
right because it's pretty early. It'salso like what what what did? What
are they gonna offer that I can'tdo now? So one thing, M
okay, so what happens you findthe right person? So from what it
sounds like, if you can't trustsomeone or you don't know if you can
(05:05):
get the right person, what doyou look for if you were to start
building your team? So I guesseventually you will start building a team when
you get a bigger What are thingsyou look for in a in a quoder
or in a person when you Imean, yeah, like I'm not hiring
because like I don't believe in that. Yeah, Like I believe in like
partnerships, but like where you're likelike have this like top down structure,
(05:27):
I don't really believe in it.But you know, like you know like
Amazon's hiring process, No, canyou tell us like how customer obsessed you
are, and the customer doesn't meanlike it's like the end goal, like
the the end goal of like theend customer of like Amazon Prime or like
Prime Music or like whatever. Right, it's like I have a customer,
and that could be the product manager, it could be the team, or
(05:48):
it could be someone really downstream,like the actual end user. Yeah,
you sort of like look for peoplelike that, like like are they gonna
like really stretch it out to likedeliver, Like it's like that modal thing,
right that I was talking about.Like, if if I didn't have
customer obsession, I would just belike, oh, okay, we can
just swap the top scroll bar likethe top header, and we can just
(06:11):
dismiss the whole comment section. Right, But then that's a short cut.
I'm not delivering the same experience thatthe potential competitors can. Yeah right,
So like I'm like, if you'regonna like take short cuts, you're already
lost. Yeah right, your app'sgonna feel old, your app's gonna feel
(06:35):
You're just not gonna deive the sameexperience. And that's the benchmark. If
they didn't do it, fine,you have an excuse not to do it.
But if they're doing it, itmeans it's possible and more, right,
like you have to offer everything that'sready available and and more. And
if they're doing it and then youlike quit early and you be like,
oh, I'm not doing it,but then they're already done, it's possible
(06:55):
you're just cheating yourself. I mean, in fact, you're actually cheating your
customers, but I don't. Iwas just curious, how are you going
to scale this? Like what's therevenue model going to? Because if you
want to scale, you're going tohave to eventually start you know, whether
whether you're hiring or bringing people inas partner, you're going to have to
expand the team eventually, because ifan individual can only do so much in
(07:17):
terms of scaling, I think likethe people I would probably hire as much
as like I'm opposed to like havinglike outsiders putting opinions and stuff, it's
probably like a really good VC youwould hire ac No, like I would
partner with a VC, and thenI would actually get there, like like
(07:40):
I would get people with like actualbusiness experience to like come in and actually
guide like the like the legal stuff. You know, like if you're you're
you're going to extend to It's likelike like a global network, you have
laws to buy, like privacy laws, like laws, and that's stuff that
I would run to have the expertsdeal with it. So do you even
(08:01):
hiring? They're probably better at hiringthan me. Right, But you said,
you said you know what anyone's likeopinions too, So do you do
you do you know anyone like changingthe fundamental idea, like the d D
the core idea of your business.I mean, if you're like if you
have to pivot, you have topivot, right, But the thing is
that does that person's opinion, likedoes that person's like guidance come from opinion
(08:24):
or does it come from like actualexperience that they've had. Okay, so
you're not opposed to getting some insightif it's from the right person. Yeah,
Yeah, Like it's not like likeI think especially with tech now,
like you go on Twitter and stuff, It's like if you partner with someone
that's just spitting out stuff that theyfeel, you're gonna get derailed really quickly.
(08:50):
Like people have like opinions about liketax stacks. People have like opinions
about like certain things that like sortof derails projects because they just want to
do it the air way. It'snot the right way for the project or
like for the product, Like I'mdoing stuff that I don't like now,
but whether it's the right thing fromthe product, you have no choice.
So, so how far are youin? So if you have you have
(09:13):
a roadmap? So how far areyou before actually making a okay, a
middle of our product, Like howfar and where are you in your roadmap?
I had a like, so Ihad the web app, which I've
sort of done, but I've sortof taken a step back to work on
the mobile app in tandem of that. But I had for the web app,
(09:35):
like you know, south by Southwestweekends this weekend, so I had
like a goal to finish the webbut by then or at least if the
MVP okay, and I'm like,where are so, Like I would say,
like I'm forty percent done, yeah, forty like of where I want
to be forty percent, which islike terrible because my previous dadline was in
(09:56):
August and it's like October now,m hmm, yeah, but I mean
it is what it is. Andlike the fact that I don't really have
a team, I'm not really lettinganyone down. Oh yes, yeah,
yeah, yeah yeah. So whenwhen does when the vcs come in?
How early do you want these theseexperts to you know, get their hands
involved. I have like people helpingme like technically like industry experts, but
(10:28):
vcs Like it's like when the likewhen we scale and the like AWS build
becomes too high service can keep themselvesup, you know, or like when
I want to expand into like Europesomething where they have really typed privacy laws,
how can I like cater to that. It's like stuff like that.
I mean, like I honestly likeright now, I think like if I
(10:50):
were a VC, I would investmm hmm, like I would do it
like right now, I would becauseI have my foot in like stuff that
can be pivoted really quickly. Arethese industry people from your work or just
people? No? Like these arelike people I've new for like throughout my
(11:11):
childhood that so that went on andjust got like big boy jobs, like
actual big boy jobs, like likepublic listed you know, like like what
what's the thing in like the thetop one hundred stuff. Yeah, they're
like spyless and stuff like yeah,stuff like that in the spy during the
(11:33):
index. Yeah, like stuff likethat, Like people that I've just grown
up with that I've sort of likenot talked to for like years, and
then so happened because we're working.I'm working in a product in that industry
with sort of just converged back.But these guys are like ten years older
than me, Like oh, they'relike they've been in there for ages.
They're like seniors from like my middleschool, like high school and stuff monetized
(11:58):
thisform that you're building. I mean, I'm just focusing on the product now,
like we're build building cheap, Likewe're building with like a with a
really low cost base in mind.Yeah, but like I don't know,
(12:20):
like what are your costs right now? Anyway? Like if nothing zero,
you don't have no costs, right, it's like zero. Yeah. Like
I like like stuff that I couldcut on and not have any detriment to
the product, I've pretty cut onit, right, So it's just like
yeah, like I'm not picking uplike turnkey stuff like fire base or stuff
like that. Like Firebase is areally good thing if you want to build
(12:43):
a product and then like show anm VP and then get funding and then
you end up rebuilding it again,or you like build the firebase and then
eventually you keep your off and likeall that stuff on it. And then
eventually, as you grow bigger andyou need to scale, you sort of
like deep like you sort of likemove away from firebase. Anyways, it's
like stuff like that. So likeright now, I've just built like everything
(13:03):
down to the core. I've notrelied on any other company, like maybe
like the only thing that I'm relyingon like that I'll probably need to pay
for. And the biggest cost isjust like the cloud database service, which
is like maybe six grand a month. Okay, and load I want to
(13:24):
go back so we could maybe comparean answer from all those months ago.
So you answer this question last time, but we asked you know what we
what do you think your biggest challengeyou know that you would face building this.
We just want to see if youknow, if times if you know,
if these these past few months havechanged your answer. You know,
because you learn more as you build, and you know, you you see
(13:46):
things that you didn't see before.Have there been any new obstacles that you've
realized will be a problem in thefuture. I think right now, like
I'm tired man well, dude,I'm serious, like I'm tired, like
I like a few months ago,I've never said this, I would like,
oh I love doing this ship,but like, bro, it's tiring,
(14:07):
man like like doing it for likeI've been doing this like since like
oh, I think like since needfor a speed Unbound, like it wasn't
high so ever since I stopped playingthat game, I've just been grinding this,
dude, Like it's tiring because youdon't you don't go on like vacations,
you don't go on and eat withyour friends. You actually like lose
friends in the process. There's likepeople are straight up don't talk to anymore.
(14:31):
Mm hmmm. I so I onlytalked to freaking path now, Like
I'm dead serious, like this's justlike and the thing is that I've just
like what like I've literally like I'vesacrificed like everything to build this like it's
actually wild like like no, I'mnot, I'm not even joking, Like
I'm actually like it's really tiring todo this. You think it's just yeah,
(14:56):
I think I don't think that thishas a choice but to work.
And this point, so then wouldthere ever be a time where you stop
working full time and you and youknow that gives you a bit more energy,
a bit more time to focus onsomething you know, you love building,
Like I like my full time job. M Like I like the people
there. I think they're great,like you know and stuff like that.
(15:18):
Like I'm fine, Like I'm justlike I just need to get this project
done the right way for my sanity. Mm hmm, like legit, like
dude, like I'm not like I'mnot even joking. Like the amount of
time and pivots that have been likeyou know, the tech stact has changed
like three times. Oh so yeah, let's ask that because so what programming
(15:43):
language did you do build on?Uh? Oh yeah, so what do
you use? So like would whydid you use that one? So when
I think about programming languages, Ilike to think of them less. It's
to be like domain specific and souslike a trade off between I don't know,
like velocity and like runtime safety.So I would say I'm not revealing
(16:07):
the STAG because like it's like sortof my baby. But let's say if
it's like some really like you know, like high like like just the server
when the front end hits the backend, probably like go lang okay,
and then if it because it's justa really good language to write service stuff
in. And then if I needit type safety russ, if I needed
(16:32):
some data science stuff with like someemail stuff, or I can just like
have another server and just have thesetwo servers call each other in Python.
No JS is like kind of nojust is like something that I would like
recommend. Like JavaScript is like thebest thing that someone could learn to start
because you can write your front init. You normally end up running writing
your front in it anyways, andthen your back end it's also JavaScript.
(16:55):
Okay, yeah, but then javascriptslike it's like really controversial because, like
I think, I quote, Idid not say this. Someone says that
I write my servillist functions in JavaScriptbecause I don't really care how long they
run because they're going to die anyways, because it's so unreliable because it gets
like memory leaked and it shits itself. And then but it's a servilist function,
(17:18):
so I only execute it once andI killed the process until another request
comes in. Okay, yeah,so you said so. My last question
would have been you did say JavaScriptis something you'd recommend anyone you know trying
to get into holding. So fromwhat I've heard, I've heard if you
(17:40):
learned C, which you know isvery hard, but it would actually enable
you litivation make it a lot easierto learn other programming languages because everything's sort
of built off SEA. Am Iwrong? Is think that or or is
that you know something that's generally thought? I think the matter which language you
start with, but I think thatC or C plus plus it's good to
(18:07):
start with to just learn the fundamentals. Okay, But as I said,
like these things are like domain specific, so like you can't write your front
end and see, so you endup having to learn JS again. I
mean you can, but like mostpeople build web apps, so you end
up having to learn JS again.But it's a good starting point to learn
the concept But like, if youknow the concepts, I don't see how
(18:30):
it's hard to pivot from JS toalso see Like, yeah, you end
up having to learn like all thememory stuff, but like I think most
people don't actually touch that that much. So if you just learn the fundamentals,
like your your types or whatever,I think it's doesn't matter which language
you start with, it's just whatproduct you want to make. If you
(18:52):
get what I mean, like yeah, but like I mean, if you're
gonna start with the one with thelike largest like friction to learn, you're
gonna like just have the larger advantage, but you end up having to relearn
something else just because you wanted tobuild your product a bit easier. Yeah,
So I think were you start wouldeeyou sort of learned two languages.
But I mean it's up to theperson man like, yeah, Well,
(19:17):
I'm gonna pivot the episode a bitbecause I think you're quite deep into the
into the startup and thanks for that. But last, like last episode that
you were on, we talked quitea bit about the markets and your investments
and et cetera. So when Iasked a couple of questions about that,
So let's start off with what whatdo you think the the investment and economic
(19:40):
landscape looks like now? Because obviouslyback then it was just consistent raid hikes,
and now there's been a slightly differentchange in the tone of the federal
real of the RBA and et cetera. So where do you stand on that
now? Uh, frankly speaking,I don't really care, like like no,
(20:04):
like I just realize I mean,I mean, I work for a
company, so if they can't rollover that, but I'm kind of like
screwed. But like all my eggsare not like I'm not like I'm not
defined by my job, right,So, like I mean I'm optimistic about
(20:26):
the economy if you really think aboutthat, but like it's not something that
I've looked as closely at the start. Yeah, like I've sort of my
attention taken away, Like I don'treally look at the news or like anything
anymore. But I mean, Imean screwing like whatever, right, Like
if it's like there's no point worryingabout it, Like if it's gonna happen,
its gonna happen. I still DCAthough if you're asking about that DC
(20:48):
into what Like I still go hardin crypto, Okay, I honestly like
BTC mm hmm. But this year, like if if BTC falls below it's
like twenty six K level, I'mlike sort of like in a shitty position
because I've bought so high throughout theyear. I think like my biggest size
(21:10):
this year was like I think thatthe largest price I've bought was like thirty
one grand, and I was buyinga lot around around maybe twenty eight thousand
dollars and then it's sort of likeif it dips below the twenty six k
support, like I'm sort of likereally like it would offset all the gains
for this year, right, youknow I'm soon right uh nah? But
(21:33):
I like looking at my immaterial gainsand seeing it in the green. Is
there a price for you exit crypto? Or is are you like a believer?
Is it more? Is it lessonthat you're in it? You know?
I I would start taking profit whenpeople who are hating on it start
buying it keeps dropping. Is therea price for you? Oh screw nah?
(22:00):
So you're in it long term?Yeah? Okay, that's cool.
Yeah, but I mean I'll takeprofit when that when like like your ask,
like when when when the market isbooming, like people like flood to
it, Yeah, and then theycall you an idiot if you don't buy.
Yeah. Yeah, that's like that'slike my market indicator to start exiting.
(22:21):
Yeah. So like when those peoplebuy in and start telling people their
dumbasses, then yeah, like I'llstart selling. But then when they like,
now I'm getting mock for buying,Yeah, by the same people who
will we're buying in and they nowthey call it a provement scheme whatever,
like they can say what do theywant? Like I'll like, I'll live
my life. But like these peopleare like my indicators. So how diverse
(22:41):
that is your portfolio? Then?Is it? Just? Are you just
buying crypto at the moment? SoI've stayed out the spy. I've stayed
out I think like my best likeI normally buy like a ton of NDQ
Okay, it's like the NASTAC butbecause they're pretty much like the twenty twenty
(23:03):
one twenty one peak for just anon livered indexes, I've sort of stayed
out and just like put all mymoney into crypto like to BTC. Okay,
yeah, So then could you Imean, since you're more of a
investor rather than a trader, ordo you have see what is your trading
(23:26):
strategy? Do do you how longterm? Are you thinking? You do
you day trade? You invest longterm? How do you post these things?
I just buy and hold right byand hold? Yeah, like I
don't really hold cash. Oh yeahyou did say, yeah, yeah,
like I don't hold cash Like that'sthe name, right, yeah, yeah,
it hasn't changed, like and andcan you just tell us why again,
(23:49):
like to refresh people listening to stuff? So why don't you hold cash?
I don't really have any disc likebuy, say again, I have
nothing to buy, Like I havenothing to hold cash for like expenses to
pay. I mean yeah, butlike that's that's what cash is for.
Like it's not like I have anythinglike extra Like it's not like I go
(24:11):
and like I don't know what thewhat the normal people buy these days?
Like what what the what? What? I mean you guys got normal what
do you guys say for? Soyou pay, you rent, you have
food? I mean I don't believe. I don't believe in vacation, so
I don't say for vacations. See, like there's no need for a monetary
value in my account to go up. Okay, but you have subscriptions.
(24:33):
So I have some, you know, monthly subscriptions to Spotify. I have
like Apple Cloud that I pay everymonth. Maybe Netflix? Do you do
you have those expenses or those likethey do? I just don't notice it.
Oh yeah they did come. Yeah, they just come. And like
(24:53):
it's just like for me, that'sthat's not an expense, that's a necessity.
If they shut off TOFY and AppleMusic. I would start crying,
like you would see me cry whereyou posted it. Right now, I'll
fly it and cry. Yeah we'reon Spotify and music. Yeah yeah yeah,
but like no, like no postit up in real life, dude.
(25:14):
I'll take a flight then start crying. Dude, I can't survive without
Spotify, man. Yeah. Likedude, like again, like yeah,
like the like these are expenses there, and like I don't see them as
expensive. Like I like when yousay, like have money in your account,
it's like people be like safe forvacations, buy luxury goods or something,
but I don't have any of that. Mm hmm, maybe like a
(25:34):
five grand MacBook, but yeah,yeah, I mean like yeah, but
like that's it, Like that that'slike the only necessity I need. There's
only I would save up for it, to be honest, not even a
car. I mean I'm not likeSBF by Corolla and just walk around barefoot,
but like yeah, I mean,like I wouldn't save up for like
a luxury car anything. But yeah, So do you do anything on a
(25:57):
day to data, you know,keep up with the I know, I
know you say you don't really givegive a shit about the markets but did
you start off by like reading books, podcasts, YouTube videos or anything at
all? Nah? So how whathow did you get started? How do
(26:18):
you get that initial knowledge to youknow, put your money in the nastac
or where you put your I'll tellyou when it started. So I knew,
like I'm like was completely like illiterateto like I'm not financially literate.
Now I'm not claiming that, butI did not learning about finance till like
late twenty nineteen. Okay, butactually not not late twenty nineteen, bro,
(26:41):
like late twenty eighteen, you know, like Wall Street bets. Yeah.
Yeah, that was like my firstlike that like you know, like
the Dunning Kruger effect. Yeah,yeah, that was me in twenty eighteen.
So that's when I got started.And then when I like did all
my finance, like when I gotall my finance note to just realize that
(27:02):
you can't like there's not really muchfor a reason to care, then I
just stopped caring. I mean,I mean I fair enough. Yeah,
don't blame me for that. Yeah, So, like I don't know,
like if you put all your attentionin the market, you sort of like
I don't know, like you justI mean, like what else are you
(27:23):
going to focus on? Right?But to be honest, like I'm in
it for the community, man,for do Yeah, it's it like I
think there's a better ROI elsewhere thatdon't really care about, like the price
action unity is definitely I mean that'sI got started as all right, you
(27:45):
get this, yeah, and sopeople you get this niche language that you're
a part of as well. Yeah, where that you can use as we
have been using in our chats aswell. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
like do you care about the marketmarkets? Now? I mean it's
kind of my job to know what'shappening market, but like like, are
(28:08):
you like emotionally tied to it.I'm not emotionally tied to it anymore.
Like I could see like my personalportfolio or like you know, whatever the
job that I do, I seelike billions of dollars flowing through. So
I'm pretty like emotionless to numbers.Yeah, yeah, just because I mean
I don't see billions I'm not working. But for myself, it's just yeah,
(28:33):
there was some emotional connection and investment, but you know, you do
this for so long and it's nowjust become like I think and it's just
yeah, you know, whatever happens, you know, you've seen you know
the past. I don't know.I always I've been in the crypto market
A part has too in this pasta year and a half, all the
events, It's like, I don'tknow what more can happen other than like
(28:57):
me, buy that is going down? Can really you know, spook the
market? I think, or spookmyself? Yeah? But do you know
why I might not care? Becauseit's because I didn't write the down like
you guys. So again you didn't. I didn't. I didn't write the
peak. I didn't ride the losses. Okay, okay, yes, yeah,
(29:19):
yeah, So maybe that's why Idon't care because like I never felt
the pain yet, I feel peoplethat came after the peak actually experienced more
heartbreak than than we did, becauseI mean, yes, we did see
the top end the drop, butbuy the peak. Even after the peak,
it's been down only, right,So I don't know who who's actually
(29:41):
made money after the peak. It'sjust been down like I made money.
Oh so okay, that's awesome,but I think that generally everyone lost money.
You had a collapses and things goingwrong. I think coming in after
is probably the worst thing ever.Personally, I don't know, like I
knew people who are like what wasbitcoin's peaks, like sixty sixty three,
(30:04):
sixty five, sixty nine. Idon't know around there, Like yeah,
okay, let's just pick the funnynumber. Yeah, okay, But I
mean, like I remember, likein twenty two just looking back, like
the amount of crazy people that werebuying stuff, like like people who like
had no business like looking at it, we're just buying it. Like I
(30:26):
knew someone that, like I callit the Kathy would portfolio. Okay,
okay, where this bro just boughtanything that Kathy Would bought on Twitter,
like publicly announced she bought on Twitterat the peak and so so so this
guy's was following copy traded pretty muchat the peak. Yeah, I saw
(30:51):
a bro has no money now yeah, so what is your then investment philosophy?
That is, because some people copytrade some dude themselves. What do
you do when before you see whydid he buy bigcoin, why did he
buy other coins? What do youlook for it before you buy something or
investment for toll for long term?Right now, it's like okay, okay,
(31:14):
okay, okay. When I dcaright, I don't really like it's
not like an emotionless non time DCAM. So when I say, like maybe
like everyone if they lasted this longin this podcast, like I'm not saying
like I'm like, oh, DCA, like you know what Friday paycheck day,
let's put some money in. It'snot like that. It's like I
I like, I hold a bufferlike maybe four five RAN, and I
(31:38):
keep the buffer up until I thinkthe time is in. It's like what
I do is that I look atthe NESTAC, I look at the spy,
and then I look at like likeany current news, and then only
I choose the DCA. Why notmm hmm. But like it's not like
I like day trade or whatever.I just try to pick like the intro
(32:00):
mont low or like the intra weeklow and buy it. And then it's
just a gut feeling. And thenif it doesn't, like if it goes
down like you know what, sobe it like life sucks part like I
know you due to all technical analysis, right, is that something still very
(32:22):
much in your in your in yourtrading strategy technical analysis? Yeah, on
charts and stuff, because like that'ssomething that I just wanted to ask Yeah,
I've switched a lot of a strategyfrom initially being entirely technical analysis driven
(32:44):
to now I use technical analysis tohelp my entries and exits, but I
use it to like decide if I'mgoing to go long or short certain certain
security because at the end of theday, they're just lines you're trying on
the chart, right, and theythe purpose of technical analysis is to essentially
mimic human psychology and human behavior,which they do quite well, which is
(33:07):
why it works can help you timeyour entries and exits. But if I've
searched my trading stategy from more ofan intro date thing to a long term
thing as well, like like ourguests, So I'll look at projects that
I think are insanely undervalued because thevaluation is just really low in the band
market, and I'll put some moneyin it, I'll DCA, and then
(33:29):
I'll just leave it for a yearor so, forget about it, and
come back to it and hopefully beup a couple of milk. Yeah,
well, yeah, I hear that. Yeah, I've also had to change
my training strategies from make the bullmarket to the bear. Mine's a little
different to you guys, So Ihave. Obviously I do have a whole
portfolio and this holding, but mytrading portfolio, I don't like to hold
(33:52):
things for too long anymore. Ijust I do have a DC where I'm
buying things for long term. Butnow my little my only trading strategy is
I just buy things that I have, like an upcoming catalyst now, like
something that's news driven. And thenI'll still use techno analysis too, because
I do see the value in thesame way you know you do purely just
(34:14):
for entry and exits, I think. But my strategy now in this birdmark
has been there's news driven projects,and I'll be honest, that's not even
working too well. But it's theonly thing that I well, it's the
only thing that's you know, feasible, I think to me, in this
band mark, it's pretty pretty boringat the moment, you know, I
(34:36):
started with ta oh, really,just guess where it gets where t A
from where baby pips dot Com?Remember that the next one? Bro,
bro, I might, I mean, we're all, we're all this is
online. So like I got thecomputer out, dude, go baby pips
dot com. And like I swear, at some point in my life I
(34:57):
believed everything on this website. Heain't no part of his strategy anymore.
Then, is this need? Imean, it's just vibes. You don't
look at that anymore. Bro?Why is there a sup link called Learned
four X Trading at School with thesubtitles Preschool, Elementary, kindergarten and high
school? Bro? What the fuck? Okay? Oh no, I get
(35:19):
it. It's like they're they're likecurriculum. It's not actually teaching six year
olds how to trade four x.Okay, cool, that's what I was
concerned about. But yeah, Istarted with a yeah. I mean so
I think I started like a lotwith you guys, like I think,
like most people did, like webelieved the magic charts, which I still
do believe to an extent, likethis this topic aside, You don't what
(35:47):
Like I was on Ali Express,right, okay, I was gonna surprise
Park with this, but you knowwhat, I had to say it on
the podcast. I let everyone know, so now it's no longer a surprise.
So I was on freaking Ali Expressand they were just like there was
this like Ubu mousepad, the uhand the O wo yeah yeah yeah,
(36:07):
And then I was looking for likeI saw it and like some dude in
like America was like selling it forsixty bucks, and I was like,
this guy is clearly dropped shipping myass. When an Ali Expressed found the
same thing. But guess what else? I found? What you know,
like those freaking like death mousepads,like they're really massive ones. Yeah,
it had freaking TA labels on it. It's like what's that one? Like
(36:29):
the the the what's that you know? The DOGI yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah like that, like they're reallyfit, like the pancake DOGI and
like the panels like the three BlackCrows or whatever. Like I thought it
was a freaking gag. I wasgonna buy it and so the next time
we meet up or chuck it toyou. But like it's really funny.
How much was it? An AliExpress? Oh? I like twenty bucks,
(36:49):
but like shipping was like ages andlike if I if I, if
I go, if I go tolike like wherever you are right now,
like I'm not sure if I'll getit on time. But yeah, it
was freaking funny. Like I feellike it's something like like a tryod would
buy, like if someone really newthey would buy. But like it was
(37:10):
freaking hilarious, Like never in mymind I would have that on my desk.
But yeah, I hope none ofyou guys do because I don't want
to offend anyone. We're cool,We're cool. But just before we wrap
up, I have one final question, that is, do you have any
personal advice, whether that's in techfinance, people looking to start their own
(37:35):
business and how they should appropiate andwhat they should do for the listeners,
Like what do you mean, likeI mean believe you know, they want
to start investing money and they wantto working on their own company. It
might not be a tech start up, but a startup. I wouldn't say
like invest in anything, but Isay, like, like the thing that
you're going to invest like in yourtime, like in your time. This
(37:58):
is probably what I would like.I probably like have some sort of like
because I have so much conviction init. It's like you're just gonna believe,
man, just believe in Yeah.I mean you go like yeah,
and like it thinks it could beanything. It couldn't be like coding or
like you want to learn like daytrade. Like I don't recommend learning the
day trade or whatever, but likelike anything, right, if you want
to be like a freaking I don'tknow, like uh, you want to
(38:20):
like do like arts and crafts andlike sell it on Edsy, right,
like someone's gonna call you like anidiot. I guarantee you that someone's gonna
be like, oh, we supportyou, We're so proud, and then
they're gonna like down your back.You're like, oh that's so stupid,
Like what a waste of your time. I'm gonna go eat freaking chili scramble
for brunch or something, right,like the things that that's just noise,
(38:42):
man, So just gotta stay focused. But yeah, it's just stay focused.
Like the things that if you trulylike something and you invest in your
time and you failed, did youreally fail at all? I mean yeah,
you're right. I mean you learnso much. You learn so much
things. Yeah, Earli is right. And then if you'll get and the
thing is that like it really likeit's not even like about like revenue generating
(39:05):
or something like I like, Imean too many people that are like obsessed
with money, yeah, and likestuff like that. Like dude, I
know people that are like that,Like like I don't like what name someone
that like learned like a really likedumb skill. I'm not gonna name anyone.
I mean, I don't know,like like like something like on like
a really superficial level, like itgives them a lot of like happiness.
(39:29):
But sometimes you look at any likebro, why right? What? What?
Yeah? What? Like the thingsthat like it's utility too, and
it's not utility to you, manlike it's like stuff like that. So
like, as long as there's positiveutility to yourself, don't listen to the
noise. It's just chatter, likewhether you fail or succeed, it does
(39:51):
not benefit them. In fact,it's better if you fail to these guys.
It means there's nothing else to compareto. True, they want you
to fail. They want you toIt's not like you against the world mentality.
It's just that, like most peopledon't like being not on top.
That's a fair reason, correct,So like like it's like it's just a
(40:15):
noise, like like, just dowhat you want, do what you need.
And if this haters just don't listento them, they lame. Okay,
you're going to pick up the rappermindset. I see, y'all.
I'm sure I hope the listeners areputting this down. Yeah, the rapper
mindset. It's like, don't care. I got my money up. What
do you have nothing? You're justa hater, stay on the keyboards.
(40:40):
I don't know, like it stufflike that, right, I don't know,
like for me right, Like atleast it's just that when I did
anything, people would talk me down. Yeah. Like when I finished high
school, I wanted to make youknow, the MIDI fighters, but what
you know, like the freaking youknow Sean was Saby the guy with the
the able to touch pads did thatcool thing? Sure, yeah, I
(41:01):
was like manufacturing like stuff for that. And then people were like, ooh,
novation really makes it. You're anidiot, you know, midified.
But like they just said it becausethey wanted to say. It's like and
this is just gonna hate as everywhere. Fair enough, man, I respect
it. And what we've started doingsince the last time we caught up is
(41:22):
we give our guests one question atthe end that we can ask us and
we will answer it. So whatdo you have any question? One?
Just one question that you want toask us? What makes you guys happy?
Wow? About first? Yeah,that's okay, I'll go for that.
So what makes you happy, Okay. I mean my answer were like,
(41:45):
okay, you can add my answera long time ago, which has
been different. I think now I'mwith my family and I'm truly I'm just
you know, taking a step backfrom you know, studying, working and
everything, and you know, alot gets to I don't get too personal,
too deep, obviously, but Ithink friendships, relationships, you know,
(42:07):
just being with my friends from backhome and my family here, just
put this all put a lot intoperspective for me, things that you know
that I missed out on while Iwas studying. So right now today me
what brings me happiness is just mymy relationships. Yeah, good answer,
(42:27):
man. I think if you askme the question last year, it would
have been the answer would have justbeen money, money, right, yeah,
which is very surface level, butthat's honest. But I think my
answer today would be that the thingthat keeps me going and makes me happy
is just progress in some aspect oflife, right. And I don't mean
like necessarily career wise only, butyou know, making sure that I feel
(42:53):
good, I'm healthy, the peoplearound me are doing good. Everyone's going
up as long as me, mylife and people around me are in an
upwards trajectory and they're they're becoming successfulin their own master whether they want to
sing or dance or what. He'san album, whatever it is. As
long as they're all moving up togetherand there's problems being made and we're taking
(43:15):
a step forward every few months,that's all I already care about. That's
what. That's what makes me happyand keeps me going. That's lit.
What what's the answer you? Idon't know. I'm the one that's stressed
out all the time. I wasnothing to be happy about this, this
six dollar gas in California. You'renot in California, I know, but
(43:38):
like the fact that someone has topay six dollar gas hurts my heart.
I'm I wouldn't say I'm like happynow. I actually have no idea.
I don't want to like to behappy anymore. To be honest, Well,
that's a good note to wrap up. No, no, no,
But like the thing is that likeI've been like, I've just lived in
(43:59):
this constant state. I don't knowwhat happy or sadness is. To be
honest. Okay, so you're notsaying you're saying, oh, yeah,
I just like, don't its existingat the moment. Yeah, I'm just
existing, like I don't feel anything, but like I don't know, Like
I think what gives me hope isthat I will be able to buy a
(44:20):
farm. Yeah, a farm,Yeah, just a farm, and then
like I'll just get a house thereand stuff and then I'll have my starlink.
Yeah. It's like it's like that, like I'm buying a farm.
I'm not doing farm stuff, justtelling you, I just want to just
chill, peaceful, wake up thesunrise. When you buy the farm,
can we record a podcast there inperson? Yeah, dude, if I
(44:44):
have if like if I buy thefarm, right, I'm gonna have like
a pilarious I'm gonna like buy awarehouse. I'm gonna like chuckle my stuff
in there. You can come andride the freaking bikes, like the dird
bikes, the ATVs and stuff likechill and like listen to some Playboy CARDI
I don't know, and just chill. I mean, isn't that good?
(45:05):
Isn't that like a good life?That's like a like yeah, retire so
is that a retirement goal? Isthat like hoping to do the next few
five years? Dream hopefully in twoyears? Wow? But like yeah,
like dude. Like, dude,like the thing that the thought about it
just makes me happy, to behonest, Like I've been flat for so
long, but that's like a goal. Like it's like to buy a farm,
(45:29):
I put a warehouse. I wantto like build a house on it,
you know, like just invite mybros like rent free and like just
comment chill like like chill, youknow, like and the thing is that,
like you know, like when yougo to farm you can have like
two houses and it's like, oh, bro, like you know, school
holidays, bring your kids here,put him in a house, you know,
like get away from the city andlike that kind of stuff. You
(45:50):
know, like here's a car,do what you want and stuff like that.
I do. That just makes meso happy. Like like even like
just like waking up and having likethe son rise and stuff and like just
away from like all the noise.It's just would be like fantastic. Sounds
like a dream. Dude. Itsounds you should have to say that.
You should have said that, butyeah no, but yeah, like I
(46:14):
I think that that's That's just whatI'm working to. It's I guess it's
just like the thought about that oreven anything remotely close. Like that's like
the dream getting a farm and justchilling, including in peace. I mean
I actually like coding. To behonest, I wouldn't say I like coding.
I'm just like building. Yeah,so that's that's pretty much it.
(46:37):
So. Yeah, and most ofthe people that I've talked to, who
you know, who are pulling thesetwenty hours and working and grinding, they
say that they really like what theydo, they just don't like how much
of it they have to do.Yeah. Yeah, that's facts. Like,
dude, I'm at my limit atthis point in time. Like it's
bad. What a few more yearsand you'll be on the farm. Yeah,
(47:01):
but like, yeah, not forthe dogs, you know, Like
I send the dog to the farm. Do you know what that means?
He's dead? Well, hopefully notdead, but like yeah, like,
bro, you don't get it,like like it's actually unhealthy to do this.
It's bad, understand. Yeah,Well, you're gonna wrap we can
(47:24):
go Part two, Part two.We're gonna wrap up for now. We're
gonna grab lunch and then we're gonnarecord a second part with our guests very
soon. But thank you so muchfor tuning in for today's episode. Of
the Investors Diary podcast. We divedquite deep into his ideology about hiring,
the startup, progress from the startupmarkets, and what makes people happy.
(47:50):
So let us know any thoughts youhad listen to the pod, any suggestions
with future guests. Thank you fortuning in, and peace peace works you guess.
Goodrappling ladies, Zen gentlemen, welcomeback to the Investors' Diary podcast, where
we help you work motto and howeby providing weekly market updates and insights.
This week's episode is exciting as wehave our first ever recurring guest on the
podcast. So, a few monthsago we interviewed an anonymous guest who had
a professional background in tech and hewas working on a few side gigs on
(00:25):
the side, and he is backagain with us today. So, mister
guest, tell us what you've beenup to since the last time we caught
up on the podcast. I've beengrinding another startup. I mean it's the
same as last time. It's justthat it's it's now just a couple of
months in the future, same project. So the progress, So you didn't
(00:50):
abandon the last one, it's stillthe same one. Nah, Like it's
it's like I think, like thelast time we spoke, it's about building
like a really good foundation m andthen going forward and that foundation still building.
Like I've got distracted. I thinkremember like one time I invited you
in like a group chat and wehad that open AI chat bot that I
built. Yeah, and it wasreally clapped okay, and it had that
(01:15):
at that like eleven Lab you knowthat eleven Labs thing, like the one
with the AI voice training. Shit. Yeah, from how clap that was.
It was trash, It was sobad. But I got distracted by
stuff like that for like a goodthree months and then I went back to
building. But I reused the sameUI elements for that, so I never
had that chat kind of thing,you know, that UI stuff that looks
(01:36):
like Facebook Messenger. Yeah right,I mean I never had that framework in
place, but now I do.But like it, I just got distracted
by projects like that. Okay.And how how's that balance between you know,
still trying to doogle ballet in yourfull time role and doing this on
the side. I mean, youget distracted. I'm not gonna lie,
uh I think this week. Youknow how like when you have like TikTok,
(02:00):
like you have Instagram reels and likeyou have YouTube you know, like
the YouTube shorts and stuff, andlike when you're on top of the scroll,
like when you click the comments,that like tiny motor of you like
it pops up, yeah and itwent and then you can you can scroll
it. It's fine, But whenyou're on top of that scroll and then
when you swipe on top of thescroll and then it closes that model.
(02:23):
I was stuck in there for likefour days, Like I did not sleep,
Like it was bad, Like Iwent to work and like half the
time was just thinking about it wasterrible. Ah, So that that infrastructure
for your app is where you're talkingabout. You got stuck on the building.
Yeah, yeah, like you getstuck with a challenge and like these
like like these like TikTok, likethese like Bite Dance tier apps, they're
(02:45):
like the benchmark. If you don'thit those benchmarks, why even execute,
to be honest, So then howdo you deal with these? So,
like, you have a full timejob, you have I think you do
this alone? Right, you don'thave a team yet? Yeah no,
Like I don't intend to have ateam to be so how do you?
So how do you overcome these things? So it's it's a challenge of roadblock.
You have a full time job,you don't have a team. How
do you get past that? Andhow do you find a solution? I
(03:08):
mean it's like you just deal withit, Like what other option is there?
Like if you really think about it, like do you ever get a
team. I'm trying to. Ithink like the team stuff is like it's
really hard m hm, because likeI'm just building the foundation, like that's
(03:31):
not really a product to execute andthen and it's something that I sort of
like want to reuse into the future. So if I get someone to come
in and then like do you knowwhat dead cap like dead capital is,
uh you explained to the viewers,like it's like having like it's like having
someone at the cap table that isthere and does nothing. I got that
(03:55):
right, And and so like allall this like ip that you're building up
and you have someone the freaking captable and you're not doing shit, and
then they're just gonna like take itwhen you're done with it, like you
know, like that that's what happenswhen you get people into early and when
you don't know them. Well hm, I see you don't hear you,
Like you can't like just point likeyeah, and especially like if it's like
(04:16):
someone who says they can do andthen just doesn't end up doing mm.
Yeah. It's like that. That'swhy I like I'm sort of like putting
off working with people. And thething is that when you start working with
people it's where how do I sayit? It's like where they're gonna segregate
their opinions from reality. It's alsoone thing, m So so you see
(04:43):
to understand, So you think it'stoo early to bring on someone because at
this stage of your company, they'regoing to ask for like some equity,
right because it's pretty early. It'salso like what what what did? What
are they gonna offer that I can'tdo now? So one thing, M
okay, so what happens you findthe right person? So from what it
sounds like, if you can't trustsomeone or you don't know if you can
(05:05):
get the right person, what doyou look for if you were to start
building your team? So I guesseventually you will start building a team when
you get a bigger What are thingsyou look for in a in a quoder
or in a person when you Imean, yeah, like I'm not hiring
because like I don't believe in that. Yeah, Like I believe in like
partnerships, but like where you're likelike have this like top down structure,
(05:27):
I don't really believe in it.But you know, like you know like
Amazon's hiring process, No, canyou tell us like how customer obsessed you
are, and the customer doesn't meanlike it's like the end goal, like
the the end goal of like theend customer of like Amazon Prime or like
Prime Music or like whatever. Right, it's like I have a customer,
and that could be the product manager, it could be the team, or
(05:48):
it could be someone really downstream,like the actual end user. Yeah,
you sort of like look for peoplelike that, like like are they gonna
like really stretch it out to likedeliver, Like it's like that modal thing,
right that I was talking about.Like, if if I didn't have
customer obsession, I would just belike, oh, okay, we can
just swap the top scroll bar likethe top header, and we can just
(06:11):
dismiss the whole comment section. Right, But then that's a short cut.
I'm not delivering the same experience thatthe potential competitors can. Yeah right,
So like I'm like, if you'regonna like take short cuts, you're already
lost. Yeah right, your app'sgonna feel old, your app's gonna feel
(06:35):
You're just not gonna deive the sameexperience. And that's the benchmark. If
they didn't do it, fine,you have an excuse not to do it.
But if they're doing it, itmeans it's possible and more, right,
like you have to offer everything that'sready available and and more. And
if they're doing it and then youlike quit early and you be like,
oh, I'm not doing it,but then they're already done, it's possible
(06:55):
you're just cheating yourself. I mean, in fact, you're actually cheating your
customers, but I don't. Iwas just curious, how are you going
to scale this? Like what's therevenue model going to? Because if you
want to scale, you're going tohave to eventually start you know, whether
whether you're hiring or bringing people inas partner, you're going to have to
expand the team eventually, because ifan individual can only do so much in
(07:17):
terms of scaling, I think likethe people I would probably hire as much
as like I'm opposed to like havinglike outsiders putting opinions and stuff, it's
probably like a really good VC youwould hire ac No, like I would
partner with a VC, and thenI would actually get there, like like
(07:40):
I would get people with like actualbusiness experience to like come in and actually
guide like the like the legal stuff. You know, like if you're you're
you're going to extend to It's likelike like a global network, you have
laws to buy, like privacy laws, like laws, and that's stuff that
I would run to have the expertsdeal with it. So do you even
(08:01):
hiring? They're probably better at hiringthan me. Right, But you said,
you said you know what anyone's likeopinions too, So do you do
you do you know anyone like changingthe fundamental idea, like the d D
the core idea of your business.I mean, if you're like if you
have to pivot, you have topivot, right, But the thing is
that does that person's opinion, likedoes that person's like guidance come from opinion
(08:24):
or does it come from like actualexperience that they've had. Okay, so
you're not opposed to getting some insightif it's from the right person. Yeah,
Yeah, Like it's not like likeI think especially with tech now,
like you go on Twitter and stuff, It's like if you partner with someone
that's just spitting out stuff that theyfeel, you're gonna get derailed really quickly.
(08:50):
Like people have like opinions about liketax stacks. People have like opinions
about like certain things that like sortof derails projects because they just want to
do it the air way. It'snot the right way for the project or
like for the product, Like I'mdoing stuff that I don't like now,
but whether it's the right thing fromthe product, you have no choice.
So, so how far are youin? So if you have you have
(09:13):
a roadmap? So how far areyou before actually making a okay, a
middle of our product, Like howfar and where are you in your roadmap?
I had a like, so Ihad the web app, which I've
sort of done, but I've sortof taken a step back to work on
the mobile app in tandem of that. But I had for the web app,
(09:35):
like you know, south by Southwestweekends this weekend, so I had
like a goal to finish the webbut by then or at least if the
MVP okay, and I'm like,where are so, Like I would say,
like I'm forty percent done, yeah, forty like of where I want
to be forty percent, which islike terrible because my previous dadline was in
(09:56):
August and it's like October now,m hmm, yeah, but I mean
it is what it is. Andlike the fact that I don't really have
a team, I'm not really lettinganyone down. Oh yes, yeah,
yeah, yeah yeah. So whenwhen does when the vcs come in?
How early do you want these theseexperts to you know, get their hands
involved. I have like people helpingme like technically like industry experts, but
(10:28):
vcs Like it's like when the likewhen we scale and the like AWS build
becomes too high service can keep themselvesup, you know, or like when
I want to expand into like Europesomething where they have really typed privacy laws,
how can I like cater to that. It's like stuff like that.
I mean, like I honestly likeright now, I think like if I
(10:50):
were a VC, I would investmm hmm, like I would do it
like right now, I would becauseI have my foot in like stuff that
can be pivoted really quickly. Arethese industry people from your work or just
people? No? Like these arelike people I've new for like throughout my
(11:11):
childhood that so that went on andjust got like big boy jobs, like
actual big boy jobs, like likepublic listed you know, like like what
what's the thing in like the thetop one hundred stuff. Yeah, they're
like spyless and stuff like yeah,stuff like that in the spy during the
(11:33):
index. Yeah, like stuff likethat, Like people that I've just grown
up with that I've sort of likenot talked to for like years, and
then so happened because we're working.I'm working in a product in that industry
with sort of just converged back.But these guys are like ten years older
than me, Like oh, they'relike they've been in there for ages.
They're like seniors from like my middleschool, like high school and stuff monetized
(11:58):
thisform that you're building. I mean, I'm just focusing on the product now,
like we're build building cheap, Likewe're building with like a with a
really low cost base in mind.Yeah, but like I don't know,
(12:20):
like what are your costs right now? Anyway? Like if nothing zero,
you don't have no costs, right, it's like zero. Yeah. Like
I like like stuff that I couldcut on and not have any detriment to
the product, I've pretty cut onit, right, So it's just like
yeah, like I'm not picking uplike turnkey stuff like fire base or stuff
like that. Like Firebase is areally good thing if you want to build
(12:43):
a product and then like show anm VP and then get funding and then
you end up rebuilding it again,or you like build the firebase and then
eventually you keep your off and likeall that stuff on it. And then
eventually, as you grow bigger andyou need to scale, you sort of
like deep like you sort of likemove away from firebase. Anyways, it's
like stuff like that. So likeright now, I've just built like everything
(13:03):
down to the core. I've notrelied on any other company, like maybe
like the only thing that I'm relyingon like that I'll probably need to pay
for. And the biggest cost isjust like the cloud database service, which
is like maybe six grand a month. Okay, and load I want to
(13:24):
go back so we could maybe comparean answer from all those months ago.
So you answer this question last time, but we asked you know what we
what do you think your biggest challengeyou know that you would face building this.
We just want to see if youknow, if times if you know,
if these these past few months havechanged your answer. You know,
because you learn more as you build, and you know, you you see
(13:46):
things that you didn't see before.Have there been any new obstacles that you've
realized will be a problem in thefuture. I think right now, like
I'm tired man well, dude,I'm serious, like I'm tired, like
I like a few months ago,I've never said this, I would like,
oh I love doing this ship,but like, bro, it's tiring,
(14:07):
man like like doing it for likeI've been doing this like since like
oh, I think like since needfor a speed Unbound, like it wasn't
high so ever since I stopped playingthat game, I've just been grinding this,
dude, Like it's tiring because youdon't you don't go on like vacations,
you don't go on and eat withyour friends. You actually like lose
friends in the process. There's likepeople are straight up don't talk to anymore.
(14:31):
Mm hmmm. I so I onlytalked to freaking path now, Like
I'm dead serious, like this's justlike and the thing is that I've just
like what like I've literally like I'vesacrificed like everything to build this like it's
actually wild like like no, I'mnot, I'm not even joking, Like
I'm actually like it's really tiring todo this. You think it's just yeah,
(14:56):
I think I don't think that thishas a choice but to work.
And this point, so then wouldthere ever be a time where you stop
working full time and you and youknow that gives you a bit more energy,
a bit more time to focus onsomething you know, you love building,
Like I like my full time job. M Like I like the people
there. I think they're great,like you know and stuff like that.
(15:18):
Like I'm fine, Like I'm justlike I just need to get this project
done the right way for my sanity. Mm hmm, like legit, like
dude, like I'm not like I'mnot even joking. Like the amount of
time and pivots that have been likeyou know, the tech stact has changed
like three times. Oh so yeah, let's ask that because so what programming
(15:43):
language did you do build on?Uh? Oh yeah, so what do
you use? So like would whydid you use that one? So when
I think about programming languages, Ilike to think of them less. It's
to be like domain specific and souslike a trade off between I don't know,
like velocity and like runtime safety.So I would say I'm not revealing
(16:07):
the STAG because like it's like sortof my baby. But let's say if
it's like some really like you know, like high like like just the server
when the front end hits the backend, probably like go lang okay,
and then if it because it's justa really good language to write service stuff
in. And then if I needit type safety russ, if I needed
(16:32):
some data science stuff with like someemail stuff, or I can just like
have another server and just have thesetwo servers call each other in Python.
No JS is like kind of nojust is like something that I would like
recommend. Like JavaScript is like thebest thing that someone could learn to start
because you can write your front init. You normally end up running writing
your front in it anyways, andthen your back end it's also JavaScript.
(16:55):
Okay, yeah, but then javascriptslike it's like really controversial because, like
I think, I quote, Idid not say this. Someone says that
I write my servillist functions in JavaScriptbecause I don't really care how long they
run because they're going to die anyways, because it's so unreliable because it gets
like memory leaked and it shits itself. And then but it's a servilist function,
(17:18):
so I only execute it once andI killed the process until another request
comes in. Okay, yeah,so you said so. My last question
would have been you did say JavaScriptis something you'd recommend anyone you know trying
to get into holding. So fromwhat I've heard, I've heard if you
(17:40):
learned C, which you know isvery hard, but it would actually enable
you litivation make it a lot easierto learn other programming languages because everything's sort
of built off SEA. Am Iwrong? Is think that or or is
that you know something that's generally thought? I think the matter which language you
start with, but I think thatC or C plus plus it's good to
(18:07):
start with to just learn the fundamentals. Okay, But as I said,
like these things are like domain specific, so like you can't write your front
end and see, so you endup having to learn JS again. I
mean you can, but like mostpeople build web apps, so you end
up having to learn JS again.But it's a good starting point to learn
the concept But like, if youknow the concepts, I don't see how
(18:30):
it's hard to pivot from JS toalso see Like, yeah, you end
up having to learn like all thememory stuff, but like I think most
people don't actually touch that that much. So if you just learn the fundamentals,
like your your types or whatever,I think it's doesn't matter which language
you start with, it's just whatproduct you want to make. If you
(18:52):
get what I mean, like yeah, but like I mean, if you're
gonna start with the one with thelike largest like friction to learn, you're
gonna like just have the larger advantage, but you end up having to relearn
something else just because you wanted tobuild your product a bit easier. Yeah,
So I think were you start wouldeeyou sort of learned two languages.
But I mean it's up to theperson man like, yeah, Well,
(19:17):
I'm gonna pivot the episode a bitbecause I think you're quite deep into the
into the startup and thanks for that. But last, like last episode that
you were on, we talked quitea bit about the markets and your investments
and et cetera. So when Iasked a couple of questions about that,
So let's start off with what whatdo you think the the investment and economic
(19:40):
landscape looks like now? Because obviouslyback then it was just consistent raid hikes,
and now there's been a slightly differentchange in the tone of the federal
real of the RBA and et cetera. So where do you stand on that
now? Uh, frankly speaking,I don't really care, like like no,
(20:04):
like I just realize I mean,I mean, I work for a
company, so if they can't rollover that, but I'm kind of like
screwed. But like all my eggsare not like I'm not like I'm not
defined by my job, right,So, like I mean I'm optimistic about
(20:26):
the economy if you really think aboutthat, but like it's not something that
I've looked as closely at the start. Yeah, like I've sort of my
attention taken away, Like I don'treally look at the news or like anything
anymore. But I mean, Imean screwing like whatever, right, Like
if it's like there's no point worryingabout it, Like if it's gonna happen,
its gonna happen. I still DCAthough if you're asking about that DC
(20:48):
into what Like I still go hardin crypto, Okay, I honestly like
BTC mm hmm. But this year, like if if BTC falls below it's
like twenty six K level, I'mlike sort of like in a shitty position
because I've bought so high throughout theyear. I think like my biggest size
(21:10):
this year was like I think thatthe largest price I've bought was like thirty
one grand, and I was buyinga lot around around maybe twenty eight thousand
dollars and then it's sort of likeif it dips below the twenty six k
support, like I'm sort of likereally like it would offset all the gains
for this year, right, youknow I'm soon right uh nah? But
(21:33):
I like looking at my immaterial gainsand seeing it in the green. Is
there a price for you exit crypto? Or is are you like a believer?
Is it more? Is it lessonthat you're in it? You know?
I I would start taking profit whenpeople who are hating on it start
buying it keeps dropping. Is therea price for you? Oh screw nah?
(22:00):
So you're in it long term?Yeah? Okay, that's cool.
Yeah, but I mean I'll takeprofit when that when like like your ask,
like when when when the market isbooming, like people like flood to
it, Yeah, and then theycall you an idiot if you don't buy.
Yeah. Yeah, that's like that'slike my market indicator to start exiting.
(22:21):
Yeah. So like when those peoplebuy in and start telling people their
dumbasses, then yeah, like I'llstart selling. But then when they like,
now I'm getting mock for buying,Yeah, by the same people who
will we're buying in and they nowthey call it a provement scheme whatever,
like they can say what do theywant? Like I'll like, I'll live
my life. But like these peopleare like my indicators. So how diverse
(22:41):
that is your portfolio? Then?Is it? Just? Are you just
buying crypto at the moment? SoI've stayed out the spy. I've stayed
out I think like my best likeI normally buy like a ton of NDQ
Okay, it's like the NASTAC butbecause they're pretty much like the twenty twenty
(23:03):
one twenty one peak for just anon livered indexes, I've sort of stayed
out and just like put all mymoney into crypto like to BTC. Okay,
yeah, So then could you Imean, since you're more of a
investor rather than a trader, ordo you have see what is your trading
(23:26):
strategy? Do do you how longterm? Are you thinking? You do
you day trade? You invest longterm? How do you post these things?
I just buy and hold right byand hold? Yeah, like I
don't really hold cash. Oh yeahyou did say, yeah, yeah,
like I don't hold cash Like that'sthe name, right, yeah, yeah,
it hasn't changed, like and andcan you just tell us why again,
(23:49):
like to refresh people listening to stuff? So why don't you hold cash?
I don't really have any disc likebuy, say again, I have
nothing to buy, Like I havenothing to hold cash for like expenses to
pay. I mean yeah, butlike that's that's what cash is for.
Like it's not like I have anythinglike extra Like it's not like I go
(24:11):
and like I don't know what thewhat the normal people buy these days?
Like what what the what? What? I mean you guys got normal what
do you guys say for? Soyou pay, you rent, you have
food? I mean I don't believe. I don't believe in vacation, so
I don't say for vacations. See, like there's no need for a monetary
value in my account to go up. Okay, but you have subscriptions.
(24:33):
So I have some, you know, monthly subscriptions to Spotify. I have
like Apple Cloud that I pay everymonth. Maybe Netflix? Do you do
you have those expenses or those likethey do? I just don't notice it.
Oh yeah they did come. Yeah, they just come. And like
(24:53):
it's just like for me, that'sthat's not an expense, that's a necessity.
If they shut off TOFY and AppleMusic. I would start crying,
like you would see me cry whereyou posted it. Right now, I'll
fly it and cry. Yeah we'reon Spotify and music. Yeah yeah yeah,
but like no, like no postit up in real life, dude.
(25:14):
I'll take a flight then start crying. Dude, I can't survive without
Spotify, man. Yeah. Likedude, like again, like yeah,
like the like these are expenses there, and like I don't see them as
expensive. Like I like when yousay, like have money in your account,
it's like people be like safe forvacations, buy luxury goods or something,
but I don't have any of that. Mm hmm, maybe like a
(25:34):
five grand MacBook, but yeah,yeah, I mean like yeah, but
like that's it, Like that that'slike the only necessity I need. There's
only I would save up for it, to be honest, not even a
car. I mean I'm not likeSBF by Corolla and just walk around barefoot,
but like yeah, I mean,like I wouldn't save up for like
a luxury car anything. But yeah, So do you do anything on a
(25:57):
day to data, you know,keep up with the I know, I
know you say you don't really givegive a shit about the markets but did
you start off by like reading books, podcasts, YouTube videos or anything at
all? Nah? So how whathow did you get started? How do
(26:18):
you get that initial knowledge to youknow, put your money in the nastac
or where you put your I'll tellyou when it started. So I knew,
like I'm like was completely like illiterateto like I'm not financially literate.
Now I'm not claiming that, butI did not learning about finance till like
late twenty nineteen. Okay, butactually not not late twenty nineteen, bro,
(26:41):
like late twenty eighteen, you know, like Wall Street bets. Yeah.
Yeah, that was like my firstlike that like you know, like
the Dunning Kruger effect. Yeah,yeah, that was me in twenty eighteen.
So that's when I got started.And then when I like did all
my finance, like when I gotall my finance note to just realize that
(27:02):
you can't like there's not really muchfor a reason to care, then I
just stopped caring. I mean,I mean I fair enough. Yeah,
don't blame me for that. Yeah, So, like I don't know,
like if you put all your attentionin the market, you sort of like
I don't know, like you justI mean, like what else are you
(27:23):
going to focus on? Right?But to be honest, like I'm in
it for the community, man,for do Yeah, it's it like I
think there's a better ROI elsewhere thatdon't really care about, like the price
action unity is definitely I mean that'sI got started as all right, you
(27:45):
get this, yeah, and sopeople you get this niche language that you're
a part of as well. Yeah, where that you can use as we
have been using in our chats aswell. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
like do you care about the marketmarkets? Now? I mean it's
kind of my job to know what'shappening market, but like like, are
(28:08):
you like emotionally tied to it.I'm not emotionally tied to it anymore.
Like I could see like my personalportfolio or like you know, whatever the
job that I do, I seelike billions of dollars flowing through. So
I'm pretty like emotionless to numbers.Yeah, yeah, just because I mean
I don't see billions I'm not working. But for myself, it's just yeah,
(28:33):
there was some emotional connection and investment, but you know, you do
this for so long and it's nowjust become like I think and it's just
yeah, you know, whatever happens, you know, you've seen you know
the past. I don't know.I always I've been in the crypto market
A part has too in this pasta year and a half, all the
events, It's like, I don'tknow what more can happen other than like
(28:57):
me, buy that is going down? Can really you know, spook the
market? I think, or spookmyself? Yeah? But do you know
why I might not care? Becauseit's because I didn't write the down like
you guys. So again you didn't. I didn't. I didn't write the
peak. I didn't ride the losses. Okay, okay, yes, yeah,
(29:19):
yeah, So maybe that's why Idon't care because like I never felt
the pain yet, I feel peoplethat came after the peak actually experienced more
heartbreak than than we did, becauseI mean, yes, we did see
the top end the drop, butbuy the peak. Even after the peak,
it's been down only, right,So I don't know who who's actually
(29:41):
made money after the peak. It'sjust been down like I made money.
Oh so okay, that's awesome,but I think that generally everyone lost money.
You had a collapses and things goingwrong. I think coming in after
is probably the worst thing ever.Personally, I don't know, like I
knew people who are like what wasbitcoin's peaks, like sixty sixty three,
(30:04):
sixty five, sixty nine. Idon't know around there, Like yeah,
okay, let's just pick the funnynumber. Yeah, okay, But I
mean, like I remember, likein twenty two just looking back, like
the amount of crazy people that werebuying stuff, like like people who like
had no business like looking at it, we're just buying it. Like I
(30:26):
knew someone that, like I callit the Kathy would portfolio. Okay,
okay, where this bro just boughtanything that Kathy Would bought on Twitter,
like publicly announced she bought on Twitterat the peak and so so so this
guy's was following copy traded pretty muchat the peak. Yeah, I saw
(30:51):
a bro has no money now yeah, so what is your then investment philosophy?
That is, because some people copytrade some dude themselves. What do
you do when before you see whydid he buy bigcoin, why did he
buy other coins? What do youlook for it before you buy something or
investment for toll for long term?Right now, it's like okay, okay,
(31:14):
okay, okay. When I dcaright, I don't really like it's
not like an emotionless non time DCAM. So when I say, like maybe
like everyone if they lasted this longin this podcast, like I'm not saying
like I'm like, oh, DCA, like you know what Friday paycheck day,
let's put some money in. It'snot like that. It's like I
I like, I hold a bufferlike maybe four five RAN, and I
(31:38):
keep the buffer up until I thinkthe time is in. It's like what
I do is that I look atthe NESTAC, I look at the spy,
and then I look at like likeany current news, and then only
I choose the DCA. Why notmm hmm. But like it's not like
I like day trade or whatever.I just try to pick like the intro
(32:00):
mont low or like the intra weeklow and buy it. And then it's
just a gut feeling. And thenif it doesn't, like if it goes
down like you know what, sobe it like life sucks part like I
know you due to all technical analysis, right, is that something still very
(32:22):
much in your in your in yourtrading strategy technical analysis? Yeah, on
charts and stuff, because like that'ssomething that I just wanted to ask Yeah,
I've switched a lot of a strategyfrom initially being entirely technical analysis driven
(32:44):
to now I use technical analysis tohelp my entries and exits, but I
use it to like decide if I'mgoing to go long or short certain certain
security because at the end of theday, they're just lines you're trying on
the chart, right, and theythe purpose of technical analysis is to essentially
mimic human psychology and human behavior,which they do quite well, which is
(33:07):
why it works can help you timeyour entries and exits. But if I've
searched my trading stategy from more ofan intro date thing to a long term
thing as well, like like ourguests, So I'll look at projects that
I think are insanely undervalued because thevaluation is just really low in the band
market, and I'll put some moneyin it, I'll DCA, and then
(33:29):
I'll just leave it for a yearor so, forget about it, and
come back to it and hopefully beup a couple of milk. Yeah,
well, yeah, I hear that. Yeah, I've also had to change
my training strategies from make the bullmarket to the bear. Mine's a little
different to you guys, So Ihave. Obviously I do have a whole
portfolio and this holding, but mytrading portfolio, I don't like to hold
(33:52):
things for too long anymore. Ijust I do have a DC where I'm
buying things for long term. Butnow my little my only trading strategy is
I just buy things that I have, like an upcoming catalyst now, like
something that's news driven. And thenI'll still use techno analysis too, because
I do see the value in thesame way you know you do purely just
(34:14):
for entry and exits, I think. But my strategy now in this birdmark
has been there's news driven projects,and I'll be honest, that's not even
working too well. But it's theonly thing that I well, it's the
only thing that's you know, feasible, I think to me, in this
band mark, it's pretty pretty boringat the moment, you know, I
(34:36):
started with ta oh, really,just guess where it gets where t A
from where baby pips dot Com?Remember that the next one? Bro,
bro, I might, I mean, we're all, we're all this is
online. So like I got thecomputer out, dude, go baby pips
dot com. And like I swear, at some point in my life I
(34:57):
believed everything on this website. Heain't no part of his strategy anymore.
Then, is this need? Imean, it's just vibes. You don't
look at that anymore. Bro?Why is there a sup link called Learned
four X Trading at School with thesubtitles Preschool, Elementary, kindergarten and high
school? Bro? What the fuck? Okay? Oh no, I get
(35:19):
it. It's like they're they're likecurriculum. It's not actually teaching six year
olds how to trade four x.Okay, cool, that's what I was
concerned about. But yeah, Istarted with a yeah. I mean so
I think I started like a lotwith you guys, like I think,
like most people did, like webelieved the magic charts, which I still
do believe to an extent, likethis this topic aside, You don't what
(35:47):
Like I was on Ali Express,right, okay, I was gonna surprise
Park with this, but you knowwhat, I had to say it on
the podcast. I let everyone know, so now it's no longer a surprise.
So I was on freaking Ali Expressand they were just like there was
this like Ubu mousepad, the uhand the O wo yeah yeah yeah,
(36:07):
And then I was looking for likeI saw it and like some dude in
like America was like selling it forsixty bucks, and I was like,
this guy is clearly dropped shipping myass. When an Ali Expressed found the
same thing. But guess what else? I found? What you know,
like those freaking like death mousepads,like they're really massive ones. Yeah,
it had freaking TA labels on it. It's like what's that one? Like
(36:29):
the the the what's that you know? The DOGI yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah like that, like they're reallyfit, like the pancake DOGI and
like the panels like the three BlackCrows or whatever. Like I thought it
was a freaking gag. I wasgonna buy it and so the next time
we meet up or chuck it toyou. But like it's really funny.
How much was it? An AliExpress? Oh? I like twenty bucks,
(36:49):
but like shipping was like ages andlike if I if I, if
I go, if I go tolike like wherever you are right now,
like I'm not sure if I'll getit on time. But yeah, it
was freaking funny. Like I feellike it's something like like a tryod would
buy, like if someone really newthey would buy. But like it was
(37:10):
freaking hilarious, Like never in mymind I would have that on my desk.
But yeah, I hope none ofyou guys do because I don't want
to offend anyone. We're cool,We're cool. But just before we wrap
up, I have one final question, that is, do you have any
personal advice, whether that's in techfinance, people looking to start their own
(37:35):
business and how they should appropiate andwhat they should do for the listeners,
Like what do you mean, likeI mean believe you know, they want
to start investing money and they wantto working on their own company. It
might not be a tech start up, but a startup. I wouldn't say
like invest in anything, but Isay, like, like the thing that
you're going to invest like in yourtime, like in your time. This
(37:58):
is probably what I would like.I probably like have some sort of like
because I have so much conviction init. It's like you're just gonna believe,
man, just believe in Yeah.I mean you go like yeah,
and like it thinks it could beanything. It couldn't be like coding or
like you want to learn like daytrade. Like I don't recommend learning the
day trade or whatever, but likelike anything, right, if you want
to be like a freaking I don'tknow, like uh, you want to
(38:20):
like do like arts and crafts andlike sell it on Edsy, right,
like someone's gonna call you like anidiot. I guarantee you that someone's gonna
be like, oh, we supportyou, We're so proud, and then
they're gonna like down your back.You're like, oh that's so stupid,
Like what a waste of your time. I'm gonna go eat freaking chili scramble
for brunch or something, right,like the things that that's just noise,
(38:42):
man, So just gotta stay focused. But yeah, it's just stay focused.
Like the things that if you trulylike something and you invest in your
time and you failed, did youreally fail at all? I mean yeah,
you're right. I mean you learnso much. You learn so much
things. Yeah, Earli is right. And then if you'll get and the
thing is that like it really likeit's not even like about like revenue generating
(39:05):
or something like I like, Imean too many people that are like obsessed
with money, yeah, and likestuff like that. Like dude, I
know people that are like that,Like like I don't like what name someone
that like learned like a really likedumb skill. I'm not gonna name anyone.
I mean, I don't know,like like like something like on like
a really superficial level, like itgives them a lot of like happiness.
(39:29):
But sometimes you look at any likebro, why right? What? What?
Yeah? What? Like the thingsthat like it's utility too, and
it's not utility to you, manlike it's like stuff like that. So
like, as long as there's positiveutility to yourself, don't listen to the
noise. It's just chatter, likewhether you fail or succeed, it does
(39:51):
not benefit them. In fact,it's better if you fail to these guys.
It means there's nothing else to compareto. True, they want you
to fail. They want you toIt's not like you against the world mentality.
It's just that, like most peopledon't like being not on top.
That's a fair reason, correct,So like like it's like it's just a
(40:15):
noise, like like, just dowhat you want, do what you need.
And if this haters just don't listento them, they lame. Okay,
you're going to pick up the rappermindset. I see, y'all.
I'm sure I hope the listeners areputting this down. Yeah, the rapper
mindset. It's like, don't care. I got my money up. What
do you have nothing? You're justa hater, stay on the keyboards.
(40:40):
I don't know, like it stufflike that, right, I don't know,
like for me right, Like atleast it's just that when I did
anything, people would talk me down. Yeah. Like when I finished high
school, I wanted to make youknow, the MIDI fighters, but what
you know, like the freaking youknow Sean was Saby the guy with the
the able to touch pads did thatcool thing? Sure, yeah, I
(41:01):
was like manufacturing like stuff for that. And then people were like, ooh,
novation really makes it. You're anidiot, you know, midified.
But like they just said it becausethey wanted to say. It's like and
this is just gonna hate as everywhere. Fair enough, man, I respect
it. And what we've started doingsince the last time we caught up is
(41:22):
we give our guests one question atthe end that we can ask us and
we will answer it. So whatdo you have any question? One?
Just one question that you want toask us? What makes you guys happy?
Wow? About first? Yeah,that's okay, I'll go for that.
So what makes you happy, Okay. I mean my answer were like,
(41:45):
okay, you can add my answera long time ago, which has
been different. I think now I'mwith my family and I'm truly I'm just
you know, taking a step backfrom you know, studying, working and
everything, and you know, alot gets to I don't get too personal,
too deep, obviously, but Ithink friendships, relationships, you know,
(42:07):
just being with my friends from backhome and my family here, just
put this all put a lot intoperspective for me, things that you know
that I missed out on while Iwas studying. So right now today me
what brings me happiness is just mymy relationships. Yeah, good answer,
(42:27):
man. I think if you askme the question last year, it would
have been the answer would have justbeen money, money, right, yeah,
which is very surface level, butthat's honest. But I think my
answer today would be that the thingthat keeps me going and makes me happy
is just progress in some aspect oflife, right. And I don't mean
like necessarily career wise only, butyou know, making sure that I feel
(42:53):
good, I'm healthy, the peoplearound me are doing good. Everyone's going
up as long as me, mylife and people around me are in an
upwards trajectory and they're they're becoming successfulin their own master whether they want to
sing or dance or what. He'san album, whatever it is. As
long as they're all moving up togetherand there's problems being made and we're taking
(43:15):
a step forward every few months,that's all I already care about. That's
what. That's what makes me happyand keeps me going. That's lit.
What what's the answer you? Idon't know. I'm the one that's stressed
out all the time. I wasnothing to be happy about this, this
six dollar gas in California. You'renot in California, I know, but
(43:38):
like the fact that someone has topay six dollar gas hurts my heart.
I'm I wouldn't say I'm like happynow. I actually have no idea.
I don't want to like to behappy anymore. To be honest, Well,
that's a good note to wrap up. No, no, no,
But like the thing is that likeI've been like, I've just lived in
(43:59):
this constant state. I don't knowwhat happy or sadness is. To be
honest. Okay, so you're notsaying you're saying, oh, yeah,
I just like, don't its existingat the moment. Yeah, I'm just
existing, like I don't feel anything, but like I don't know, Like
I think what gives me hope isthat I will be able to buy a
(44:20):
farm. Yeah, a farm,Yeah, just a farm, and then
like I'll just get a house thereand stuff and then I'll have my starlink.
Yeah. It's like it's like that, like I'm buying a farm.
I'm not doing farm stuff, justtelling you, I just want to just
chill, peaceful, wake up thesunrise. When you buy the farm,
can we record a podcast there inperson? Yeah, dude, if I
(44:44):
have if like if I buy thefarm, right, I'm gonna have like
a pilarious I'm gonna like buy awarehouse. I'm gonna like chuckle my stuff
in there. You can come andride the freaking bikes, like the dird
bikes, the ATVs and stuff likechill and like listen to some Playboy CARDI
I don't know, and just chill. I mean, isn't that good?
(45:05):
Isn't that like a good life?That's like a like yeah, retire so
is that a retirement goal? Isthat like hoping to do the next few
five years? Dream hopefully in twoyears? Wow? But like yeah,
like dude. Like, dude,like the thing that the thought about it
just makes me happy, to behonest, Like I've been flat for so
long, but that's like a goal. Like it's like to buy a farm,
(45:29):
I put a warehouse. I wantto like build a house on it,
you know, like just invite mybros like rent free and like just
comment chill like like chill, youknow, like and the thing is that,
like you know, like when yougo to farm you can have like
two houses and it's like, oh, bro, like you know, school
holidays, bring your kids here,put him in a house, you know,
like get away from the city andlike that kind of stuff. You
(45:50):
know, like here's a car,do what you want and stuff like that.
I do. That just makes meso happy. Like like even like
just like waking up and having likethe son rise and stuff and like just
away from like all the noise.It's just would be like fantastic. Sounds
like a dream. Dude. Itsounds you should have to say that.
You should have said that, butyeah no, but yeah, like I
(46:14):
I think that that's That's just whatI'm working to. It's I guess it's
just like the thought about that oreven anything remotely close. Like that's like
the dream getting a farm and justchilling, including in peace. I mean
I actually like coding. To behonest, I wouldn't say I like coding.
I'm just like building. Yeah,so that's that's pretty much it.
(46:37):
So. Yeah, and most ofthe people that I've talked to, who
you know, who are pulling thesetwenty hours and working and grinding, they
say that they really like what theydo, they just don't like how much
of it they have to do.Yeah. Yeah, that's facts. Like,
dude, I'm at my limit atthis point in time. Like it's
bad. What a few more yearsand you'll be on the farm. Yeah,
(47:01):
but like, yeah, not forthe dogs, you know, Like
I send the dog to the farm. Do you know what that means?
He's dead? Well, hopefully notdead, but like yeah, like,
bro, you don't get it,like like it's actually unhealthy to do this.
It's bad, understand. Yeah,Well, you're gonna wrap we can
(47:24):
go Part two, Part two.We're gonna wrap up for now. We're
gonna grab lunch and then we're gonnarecord a second part with our guests very
soon. But thank you so muchfor tuning in for today's episode. Of
the Investors Diary podcast. We divedquite deep into his ideology about hiring,
the startup, progress from the startupmarkets, and what makes people happy.
(47:50):
So let us know any thoughts youhad listen to the pod, any suggestions
with future guests. Thank you fortuning in, and peace peace works you guess.
Popular Podcasts
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!