Grading Free Agency & Predicting The Dallas Cowboys NFL Draft

Welcome back to a NEW Season for "The Jersey Boyz Podcast" right here on Chop Sports Media's YouTube channel and wherever you get your podcasts! Dave Sturchio and Keith Ernst are back to talk America's Team and their 2025 Offseason "SO FAR". We grade the Free Agent Class and dive head first into the 2025 NFL Draft and figure out what the Cowboys should do with the 12th overall pick. Can we do Best Player Available? Do they NEED any position in specific? Both guys have different opinions here! Enjoy! #NFLDraft #MockDraft #DallasCowboys

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, thist's is Starny soprano and you're listening to Jersey
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Cowboys Nation, Welcome back to the Jersey Boys Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
It is your boys, Dave Sturshield.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Of course America's fan Keith Ernst Brett on assignment actually
making his way to New Jersey. He's got a bunch
of stuff in New Jersey, New York, Florida in a
couple of days. So Brett will be joining us probably
next week or whenever we resume this as a trio.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Keith, my man, how you doing.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
We haven't spoken on a podcast since the exit of
the twenty twenty four twenty five.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
We haven't, but we've been texting oh yeah, oh yeah
all the time.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah no, the text the seats are are still alive
and well. And I really truly feel like if you
have an iPhone and you have like storage, like you know,
different kind of categories what you can do, and you
know you're gonna see like photos and live photos and videos.
But in Keith's phone, it's gonna say receipts. There's a
whole bin full of receipts absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Everything, man, even even the things I get wrong. I'll
show you a receipt on that.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
And you know what that That takes a lot of pride.
You know, it takes balls and pride to admit when
you're wrong. And you know, there's a lot of things
I've been punting on a lot of you and your brother.
There's there's so many things. I'm like, you know what,
I tap I can't There's no way I can argue
about this right now. And when it was like February
or March, now we're in April. The Dallas Cowboys have

(01:48):
have a voluntary program which started yesterday. It was good
to see the boys come back to the Star. Very
excited about that. We want to dive right into a
lot of topics. Obviously a couple of topics going into
the draft next week. Next Thursday night, the Dallas Cowboys
hold the twelfth pick.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Very excited about it.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
As it gets, you know, closer and closer, we'll talk
more about that, but first and foremost Michaeh Parsons decided
to show up yesterday and miss like, listen, there's been
years that he's just skipped this right, It's is just voluntary.
I'm not you know this. I don't have to do this.
I don't have to be with my team. It's okay.
I can work out on my own. Keith, what is
your reaction to the fact that, amids the contract negotiations,

(02:33):
Michaeh Parsons shows up and he wants to start leading
this defense a little more. And this kind of goes
back to the DeMarcus Lawrence departure. How are you feeling
about Michaeh Parson's arrival yesterday?

Speaker 4 (02:45):
So this is what I think. This is how I
break this down. I think he did that because he's
kind of a team player. When I say that is
if he didn't show up, what would what would have
the narrative been?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
And he's waiting for his contract and exactly out because
so I think if he had a contract he may
not have.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
I think he's doing that so not to create controversy,
just to go you know what, I mean that kind
of stuff, because you know that that that's how I
see him showing up because you know he doesn't you know,
he doesn't he doesn't want locker room talk, you know
what I mean. That's how I look at that.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, absolutely, I think I feel the same way. I
think it's a it's a testament to his leadership. And
you know, there was a lot that went down. Obviously
we haven't recorded in quite some time, so there's a
lot of stuff that kind of you know, came and went.
But I really really got behind the defense a little
bit more when DeMarcus Lawrence decided, you know, to sile
with Seattle, which was fine, right, if we can't afford

(03:41):
him and we couldn't match his price, go for it,
Go chase your ring somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I get it, right. It happens with the best of them, right.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
We all kind of watched DeMarcus ware do it, and
we watched DeMarco Murray go to Philly, and like we
we've seen a lot of our star players head on out,
but this one was different because, you know, he followed
it up with a lot of bullshit. Really, he really
followed up with some talking shit about the fact that
he won't win. He wasn't gonna win a Super Bowl
in Dallas, so you know, moving on to Seattle.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Is that kind of how you took it?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Because then right after, right after his words there, you
got a lot of Michael Parsons chatter osa a couple
of defensive guys saying bet like, fine, say what you
got to say?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's our team? Now? Are you cool with that? Are you?
Are you?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
How are you feeling about the leadership in itself on
the defensive side of the ball now that DeMarcus Lawrence
is no longer?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
So the I always talk about how tight locker rooms are,
and they really are. It's almost like you know that
they never leak at anything. So obviously something was brewing
with with Lawrence and the Boys. Something was brewing, and
just and for him to come out and say that,
then they the Cowboys come out, you know, his fellow
ex players are going to come out and defend the team,

(04:55):
which I love. You know, My thing with DeMarcus Lawrence
and I've always had and I've you know, we he
he you know, he's been a mainstay for the Boys,
he's had you know, he's had a great career there.
But I've always questioned his leadership always, and I always
bring up Bennett, Michael Bennett coming in and taking over

(05:15):
the locker room in week eight when DeMarcus Lawrence was
supposedly our defensive leader. How are you going to let
this guy from the Philadelphia Eagles come in or whatever, Seattle,
wherever he was at the time, come in and take
over the locker take over the leadership. I mean, anybody
out there, when you start a job, your first day there,
your second day there, you're feeling it out, you're doing this,

(05:37):
you're doing you just don't come in and start puffing
your chest, especially in a football locker room. So that
just shows you, you know what, you know, what kind
of leader he actually was. I'm not saying he was
a bad player by no means, but I don't think
he was the best leader. Now this opens it up
for Mica to really, really really take control, be the
leader that the team needs.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy to think that Micah
Parsons on the defensive side of the ball him and
I guess Trayvon Diggs, and I know that you know
a lot there's a lot of people saying certain things
about Trayvon Diggs, but as far as like tenured, you know,
d law was was the longest tenured cowboy in that defense.
And now you look at the defense and it's a
complete overhaul, right, It's a complete overall, I think, And

(06:19):
there's a lot of up and comers, there's a lot
of positivity, and there's still some you know, still some
players in that team where you're just like, okay, you know,
like we'll figure it out. But that leads us to
you know, obviously, Michael Parsons, the contract is the contract, right,
We're all waiting what's on the table for him right now,
do we know? So from everything that I gather, you know,

(06:42):
he went on record, and I guarantee you his agent
was grabbing him by the neck, like why would you
say that?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Right?

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Like, he basically went out and said he doesn't need
to be the highest paid player in the NFL. He
just wants to He just wants a contract. He wants to,
you know, get paid obviously, and and but he doesn't
need this elaborate like, oh, the highest paid player in
the league.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
And then when you or.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
That shit, you're just like, oh, well, shit, man, this
guy's really is a team player. Now again, he says that,
and then certain other players start getting a lot more
money and paid, right, So you don't want to fall
into the pitfall that you you fell in a million
times over now with Cowboys, Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones
always wait till the eleventh hour to sign these guys

(07:22):
and the red and what that does is it makes
everybody's price go through the roof. So in my heart
of hearts, I think he's still going to become the
highest paid non quarterback in the league.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
That's what I think is going to happen.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's just a matter of how you stretch it out,
how you structure that contract to not cripple us, because
you know, you and and Brett and myself, I've all
discussed what the Dak Prescott contract has done to the team,
or you know, the Zeke Elliott first contract when he
first signed on big money. You know how that does
to the rest of the team. So I think that
Micah Parsons is a team player. I think that he

(07:55):
him showing up yesterday was a very big deal, right,
And I think that this shows the brass being Steven
and Jerry that you know he's here for the long haul.
He wants to be here for the long haul. Take
care of your boy before it gets ugly.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Right, there's a whole nother year left.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
He could listen, he could say, Look, we'll talk about
this next year. It's fine, you know, but this year
I'm going to ball out again, and if you don't
pay me now, I'm probably gonna be worth a shit
ton more at the end of the year if he
balls out like we expect him to. So we'll see
right now to stand still, and we're about to hit
the draft. So it's and we've spend our dollars sort
of as we segue into free agency, right, so we

(08:34):
haven't spoke on a podcast about free agency signings. You've
basically classified every signing as a little starch signing because
everything that we've done I've got on.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Record and being very excited about it, right, like just.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Not as aggressive as I used to be, but I'm
trying to find reasons behind every signing or at least
the positive light in every signing. You know, we let
our running back rego down a walk, right, and he
had himself a thousand yard year. And it's crazy about
Rico is that he wasn't even dubbed the number one
guy until like Thanksgiving, I feel like, right, so for him,
to still get a thousand yards is admirable.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
They let him walk out the door.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
They pretty much substituted him in with Miles Sanders, who's
had a stop in you know, Philly and Carolina. And
obviously you got Javonte Williams from Denver. So there those
are your two running backs, along with your boy douce
Wan and of course Hanter Lepk. They're all there still,
right and Malie I believe Malik Davis is still on
the practice.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I don't even know at this point.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't know, but there was your big quote splashes, right,
and then you bring back some of your former players,
you bring back some of your own. You know, we
brought back Osa on a really good deal, because if
you've seen the defensive tackle market, there's a fantastic contract
done by the Joneses.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
You gotta give credit where credits due.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
But then my favorite signing probably yours too, bringing back
Dante Fowler Junior.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I think that was a big one on the edge.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Now when you're looking at these free agents, Keith, obviously
you're not a sid as I am because I'm just
who I am.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
And that's how why.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Don't you name you have the list of our free
agents in front.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, I could pull them up. It's an eagle Google search.
I had them before.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
So why don't you give me the name and I'll
grade it?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Sure? Sure, sure, sure? Why not?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Let's see Javonte Williams running back? You know, the Dallas
Cowboys bring him in from Denver. If you give it
to A to F, what's that great for you? A?

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Plus, we're going to the super Bowl next.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Why did I feel that that was coming? Why do
I feel that that was coming?

Speaker 4 (10:39):
I meant, look, our last two picks from Denver didn't
work out? Was it Ronnie Harmon? Not Ronnie? Is it
Ronni Harmon or Ronnie? Who the hell am I thinking of?
We had two running backs we've gotten from Denver, Royce Freeman,
Royce Freeman, and the one before that it was Hillman.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I don't think we ever had Hillman. No, I know
you're talking about they were.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
They were that kind of splash like not splash, Oh
they're coming, you know, Royce Freeman's coming in and you know,
I can't remember the other running back though.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
What was his name?

Speaker 4 (11:11):
From Denver? From Denver?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
From Denver?

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah, two years ago?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
And he got that wasn't Denver, that was Tampa, and
it was.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Oh, you're right, Ronald Jones from Ronald j Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
So that that's how I when I first saw this,
That's what I was thinking. I was like, Okay, this
is just one of those running backs you can get
for cheap that has experience. But you know, after looking
at it and you convincing me that that it's a
good pick up, you know, he and and what else
I read, which is when I when I looked into
this running back, was because my big thing to you,

(11:56):
and I don't know if you remember the text, I'm like,
all right, if he's so great, why would he leave?
Why would Sean Payton let him leave? For three nion?
If he's so great, Sean Payton's a freaking you know,
offensive genius. You know, he wants the weapons. But then
I read they didn't get along there you go, so
there you go right there. So that's one reason why
Sean Payton's like, get him out of here, because he
didn't get along with him.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
And so you know what, and you know what, our
boys shot he is gonna straighten him up.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Don't even worry about it. So I'm shot staying in.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
The I give it. I give it a be. I
give this one, uh a B minus.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go with you on that one.
I'm gonna say B minus for this signing now. Staying
in the running back room, Miles Sanders right again, I
feel like he's lost his way a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
They got him on the cheap, you know, I don't.
It's hard. Miles Sanders might.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Be the road jo if we're being honest, you know
what I'm saying, Like, might not be around after training camp,
and and you know, they make their cuts because again
there's a lot of similarities, uh to some of these
on the roster right now, where you don't need a
duplicate of one guy, you know what I mean. Like,
if there are similar styles, then you're not going to
need both of them on the roster. So Miles Sanders,
I'll start off. I give that like a C minus.

(13:11):
I guess like he's a good rotational player. He could
score a touchdown in the in the red zone. But
I'm not I'm not excited about Miles Sanders. I'm excited
about his name. It's the name of my son, you know.
Guess that's that's about it.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Well, yeah. You look, you look at the signing and
it's like, okay, he was on a really you know, well,
I wouldn't say, yeah, they were bad, the Panthers, but
they picked it up near the end of the season
when we beat them. Yeah, wins. But my thing is
with him, I bet he left Carolina because they have

(13:43):
the kid from Texas they drafted that was injured most
of the year, and then Hubbard, who had a great
year paid Yeah, so I meant he was expendable and
what are we two three million? Another one? Is that
what he was?

Speaker 3 (13:54):
A one year It was a one year three No,
uh no, it just says one year deal so low
that they didn't even list in the pressure.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, you know, for what it's worth to get someone
with experience, maybe somebody with a chip on his shoulder,
you know. Or he could be running back that's checked
out of the NFL already and just getting one more
pay check. So I don't know, So I give that
a d.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Okay, all right, harsh one for him, and that's just
justified Dante Faller Junior bringing him back. He excelled with
dan Quinn here and then he excelled with dan Quinn
in Washington. Keith, do you think that Dante Fowler Junior
can succeed without dan Quinn because now he's coming back
as a defensive coordinator, is a homeboy from Chicago. I'm
drawing a blank right now, abra Flus, So do you

(14:39):
think he can succeed under the you know, the parameters
that dan Quinn is not there to coach him.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I do.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
And my whole thing with with him with Fallor though,
is which I found he had a hit one of
his best seasons last year. Yeah, better than with us
or than what he had with us or anyone else. Now.
How I look at that too, is because he he
was the dude like he was, he was his Micah Parsons,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I'm just interested

(15:06):
to see, you know how that how that works, how
they work together, Because you know, you run stunts, you
might be giving most of your stunts to Micah Parsons
over Fowler, you know, putting him in other positions that
you know he won't he won't excel like he did
in Washington. So I'm not sure. But as the player
and the talent and and to have a rotation with him,

(15:27):
I give that I give that a A A minus.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, I'm with you on the I'm in the A
minus range B plus. You know what it is. I
feel like, you know, when DeMarcus Lawrence departs and you
need some edge rush help and you want flexibility with
a Micah Parsons meaning you can kind of move him
around like a chess piece if you choose to right.
You need defensive line and defensive end help. And I

(15:51):
think with the emergence of kneeling towards the end of
the year and now you're getting Sam Williams back off injury,
you do have a nice little rotation going on. I
think they're gonna address some more of that within the
NFL Draft. I think that's what they're gonna do there.
But also staying on the defensive line. Solomon Thomas, now
he's a little older, a little bit of a journeyman,

(16:12):
comes from the Jets, very good locker room guy apparently
from everything that I've read, a leader, a cowboy fan
at heart, coming back to Texas. He's another one that
I think if you pair him up with guys like Osa,
and you know, you hope to God you get something
out of Massi Smith this year. You know, like, and
he came on for some spurts. I think Mazzie Smith

(16:33):
did last year. Not you know, not the complete guy
that you want, but you know he did alright, Right,
he's serviceable at defensive tackle. I think adding is Solomon
Thomas is a nice solid move. I'll give that one
a B plus as well.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Okay, what is he was? He thirty?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Easy?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
He's on the wrong side of youth as far as
defensive tackles are concerned.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Twenty nine and he's been in twenty seventeen. He was
a third pick. You know, it's one of those things
where I you know, it's hard to tell because we've
been burned on free agency with defensive tackles from Don
Terry Poe.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I don't even know why you have to say his.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Name Atkins too, Gino Atkins.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
One of the guys from Houston, right or something like
that sounds familiar.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, but he got injured like in training camp,
so I meant, you know, it's one of the best.
I think the best defensive tackle we've gotten free agent
as far as I remember, is Lori Glover.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
That's the last time we spent more than six million dollars.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
I think yeah, so I meant, but you know, for
him to I mean it could be. I mean if
if he's doing this because you know, he's you know,
he wants to go back to Texas and he's a
cowboy fan and all that kind of stuff, and he
took somewhat a pay cut when when he was getting
offers from other people. I don't know, you know, so
we do, we do need help. It's it's just a position,

(17:56):
like with defensive tackle, Like you look at people and
you know that there's not many you know, Aaron Donald's
or people that last a long time at defensive tackle.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, and I think defensive tackle as important as it
is because Osa got paid and he's one of the
free agents technically right because he was on his way out.
Ohsa is it for me? It's an A plus signing
with the deal that he got. But like defensive tackle
is your job is to just take on.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Shit, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Like your job is to make your defensive end. And
these middle linebackers that are blitzing up the A and
B gaps, like that's your job is to just take
a beating up front. And I think that we've lacked that.
It helped you know, we dude, we've been doing this
podcast now. This is our fifth season, I think, and
we have yet stopped the run right in five years.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
So it is crazy.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
And I think that the depth is gonna help, and
I think the leadership is gonna help. He also has
ties to Dak Prescott and his foundation, So it's like
there's a little nuanced things that you can pick apart.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
As people benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I'll give it a c Okay. Uh, there is a
guard that was signed Robert Jones.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I do want to let you know that the last
time the Dallas Cowboys had a roster member named Robert Jones,
we won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
So I don't know if that spells super Bowl for us.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
But Robert Jones, mister fifty fifty fifty five linebacker, Robert Jones,
this is not the same guy, not even any relation whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But Robert Jones a signed as a guard.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I'll give it a seed, just because you know, you
do need interior deepen.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, and he has experience and starts yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I give that. I'll give that a seat. I'll give
it a seat.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
This one was the one that kind of made Cowboys
fans say, you know what the fuck is going on?
Everybody's been pointing at needing a counterpart for Ceedee Lamb.
Get weapons around Dak Prescott do all that stuff? Helped
out Dak, help out the offense, and they were like,
we need a number two.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
There was guys like Cooper cup out there who was
contacted by Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb politicing come on bout,
like come on down, come on down. There was receivers
go Lore out there in the first wave of free agency.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
We decided not to touch any of them.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
We bring back Cavanti Turpin, which is cool, but the
one I'm talking about is Paris Campbell. Now, this dude
is not He's not established himself anywhere. He's done a
bunch of one year stints, two year stints for these teams.
Still a young guy, but again he's not your number two.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
So I mean, I I mean no disrespect the guys
in the NFL. So correct obviously a phenomenal athlete, but
I do I give that. It's it's I don't know
if I would even say f because I don't know
how much they gave him.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I gave him like nothing.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
It's like, yeah, I did that. I give that a D.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
That's almost like a hey, everybody, shut up.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
We signed a receiver, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Like, no, it is and it's like, you know, prove yourself.
You know, maybe the kid will prove himself. Who knows.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Now, Remember we gave up.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
There's a reason why we're not in the fourth round
this year in the Trams because we got gave it
up for Jonathan Mingo.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
So people are looking at Ingo. Yeah, exactly. So the
receiving room.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Is very very I'll be honest, man, And I know
we've talked about we try to talk about this in
text and we'll get into I know, when we get
to the draft. But and I'll wait. I'll wait till
we get into it because I know, I know what
you want and we'll talk about it there.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
But sure, so there's not listen, there's not much more
to talk about as far as the free agents concerned.
You know, Cavante Turpot was brought back, Marquis Bell got
a new deal. I think that's a great signing for
the Cowboys with the value that they got. It's a
three year deal for Marquis Bell, so he's sticking around
for a little while.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
So overall, Keith.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Well, they bought back the defensive players that we like
exactly pretty much exactly. No, no, no, but you're you're missing
a couple of free agents.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Stuff from from Oh, well, the kid from Chicago was
a Sands Storm or Sands something to that effect.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
White boy, I don't know, yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
White boy from Chicago.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Now, again, there's a lot of content creators out there
and podcasts out there that consider everything that Jerry has
been doing.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
You look at it with rose colored glasses, and people
are just.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Like, hey, we got ourselves a new linebacker, right, we
needed a new lineback. The guy's succeeded on special teams.
He does no ball, He's a very smart linebacker. I'm
excited about it.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I am. You know again, I can't.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I can't sit there and say like, it's going to
be the greatest earth shattering thing in the world, and
I'm looking for his name.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I can't for whatever reason. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Uh, we also start assigned Peyton Turner defensive end. Oh
Jack Sanborn, So Jack Sanborn is your new Oh you
know what, and I'd be remissed. The linebacker room did
get a little bit of a bulst burst with not
only uh not only which I'm called sanborne, but it
did get Kenneth Murray Junior in a in a in

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a good deal for a seventh round, like that.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Was our first out. Uh you know free agent that
wasn't ours. That kind of we brought in that everyone
was kind of excited about.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, I mean, look, this is the not.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
At all I give that. I give that an f O.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Your heart on Kenneth Murray very hard.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
And the main reason why is he which I don't understand.
We had such an issue with our linebackers and d'mon
Clark and they don't know how to fill holes. They're
not very good against the run. This guy, Kenneth Murray Junior,
he he ranked one hundred and eighty eightieth out of

(23:12):
one hundred and eighty five and stopping the run in
Pro Football Focus. That's you could talk about scheme all
you want. One hundred and eightieth. That's like, that's bad, dude.
So I don't know what they see. Maybe they see
something in them, but just reading that, when you're one
of the worst tackling linebackers in the NFL top five, right,

(23:32):
that is something that we were the worst. Again, I mean,
it doesn't even make sense.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, I mean, look there he was a visit in
twenty twenty, so like he was a visit before he
even got drafted to the Cowboys. So I think the
need is because of the fact that we're so thin
at linebacker. Now you're starting to stockpile a bunch of
linebackers who might be mediocre. But look, we've got some
news that you know, came from the horse's mouth to
Marve and Olvershawn wants to play and and and in

(24:01):
O t as right, he wants to go right right now.
I wouldn't I wouldn't rush him back by any stretch.
I think he's that talented of a player to not
fuck around because I I we need him. We need him,
and we need his his ball skills, and we need
his speed and his just football i Q.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
We need him on the field. So let's not rush
him back.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
But if we're really in this dire situation where we're
just like, holy ship, we really all the linebackers that
we brought on, including guys like a second year for Leau,
and you know it's just and Damon Clark still on
the roster.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
So there, I.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
Don't understand that. I don't understand it. Look, if Kendrick
signs back.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
I wish, I wish he looks like he played awesome.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
But you can just see he's tired of this ship. Dude.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, we also brought Yeah, we also brought back. Is
he on a nice deal? He's back Brian Anger, our
punters back. You know, so C. J.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Goodwin always gets that one year sniper deal. He always
gets that. It's almost like he's our new long snapper.
Speaking long Samper. We also brought back him in Trent Seeg.
He's no McQuaid, but he is Seg. So look, there
there's plenty of good to you know, get excited about.
For the free agents and the trades, and that's another

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thing I want to definitely, you know, give credit where
it's due to the Joneses. They got a lot of
compensatory picks and they turned them into players.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
They started all these extra picks that we thought we
were going to have in the sixth, seventh, fifth round whatever,
they flipped them for players that were established in the
league already. They might have gotten abused. Like you know,
there was the trade that they made with the Bills
where I was like Oh cool, we got a line
a corner kyer Elam. But if I remember correctly, he
was legitimately picked on in the AFC title game, you

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know what I mean. So it's it's all kind of
wait and see, and you can't grade a free agency
class until you see him on the field. Obviously with
the you know, the hype. Yeah, fine, we can get
excited about certain players. We can get kind of down
on a couple of it's just because of their past
and their lineage of what they've done already in the league.
We don't want to go too crazy and say like, ah,
this guy's a bus he stinks right, he might actually

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come out and ball out. We don't know. But that's
free agency in a nutshell. The Cowboys have never made
big splashes. They haven't made a big splash. I can't
even remember the last time they made a big splash.
And we're not counting Greg Hardy. That's the bullshit. Splash
was t O wasn't a trade, right, that was a
free agent thing?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, So I mean like that was two thousand and six,
five six seven, one of those two three. But again
free agency and RMO. So we now we focus and
move our shit to the NFL Draft. Now, there are
a million people out there doing mock drafts galore. It's
it's it's pretty apparent what the Cowboys need?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Do you draft need? Do you draft want? Do you
draft best player available? Keith, I'm gonna ask you this
real quick before we dive into some of the players
and then what you want, Like, did the Cowboys do
enough in free agency to draft the best player available
at twelve?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
No?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Okay, so there's obviously a glaring need that you think
they have to do at twelve. Okay, that's fine, because
I think they did do a bunch of plug and
play guys, and I think that I feel like they've
addressed running back, right but if somebody just so happens
to fall, you pull trig right like, you're like, well,

(27:27):
there's no reason for this to be a thing. Right now,
you have to go get them. They have not addressed
wide receiver in a way that I think they have to.
Right now, you're looking at CD Lamb and then you're
looking at Jalen Tolbert, Mingo, Campbell, Turpin Brooks. You know
a lot of the younger guys that we haven't seen
a lot of but we can, you know, we can

(27:48):
get excited about him, but there's not anybody that you're
not going to be a defensive coordinator and say, okay,
we got a game plan for number two right now,
because you know we got we know that Lamb is
going to be a pain in the ass, But man, man,
is that other guy on the outside gonna be a
pain in the stay? We don't have that guy, So
now there's a need at receiver. I think that you know,

(28:08):
the way the cards fall. There's been plenty of mock
drafts that say, you know what, just take the best
offensive tackle that's out there. We lost Zach martin the retirement.
They don't know what they're gonna do with right guard
and center. They could shift bebe back to right guard,
you know, or a guard position where he's kind of comfortable,
or you leave him at center and you just have
him worked with Dak Tyler. Geiton hasn't really you know,

(28:32):
jumped off the charts yet. We think he's a little
bit of a project. Then you got Terren Steele on
the right tackle, which they seem to love him for
whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I feel like he's a turnstile sometimes.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
And then you have the Tyler Smith, who's an All
Pro right now already and Brock Kauffman, I guess I
mentioned there.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
So maybe we need an offensive lineman, right.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
And you flip over to the defensive side, right, do
we need another pass rusher?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Do we need another linebacker?

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Since you you're not on board with a couple of
these linebackers, because now Overshwan, you don't know one we're
gonna get him back?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
We are.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Also, we don't know the status of Trayvon Diggs. He
might miss half the year. Do we need a corner?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
So there are needs for the Cowboys. They made moves
in the offseason to you know, kind of make it
okay to draft best player available in my position. But
I'll throw it to you. What do the Cowboys need
to draft at twelve? Not so much the player the
position of need to you, what do you think it's
gonna be?

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Well, anyone who listens to this show religiously, I would
like to know what they would think. I'm about to say,
I'm gonna give him a second.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Okay, Yeah, I'm the I'm the guy in the car
right now driving and I'm like Keith, Oh, Keith wants defense.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
I want defense. I want I want inside linebacker. That's
what I want. I want the dude from Alabama, the
dude from Georgia. I don't care. We need another good
run stopper. We gotta build around Micah Parsons. That's the
only way we're winning. We're not winning building around Dak Prescott.
It's just not happening. Okay, He's an average to an

(30:04):
above average quarterback when he's playing. I mean sometimes he
plays exceptional in elite status. Yes, I do agree, but
in the long run, he's you know, he's an average
to above average quarterback. He doesn't suck. Okay, he's not
a bad quarterback, but he is not going to throw
the team on his back and win a game. He
did it once in the last two years, and it

(30:25):
was against Seattle on Thursday Night. If the defense folds,
Dak Prescott folds. So my whole thing is is we
need to build around Mike, get as many ballers as
we can, and we gotta win with defense because our
offense will score points. We gotta be able to keep
If we could keep a defense under I'm sorry, an

(30:47):
opposing offense under twenty points, eighteen to twenty points we're
seventeen to twenty points. We can win. We can win
that game. We're not gonna win shootouts.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
We're just not. That's six field goals right there by
all were winning teen seventeen games.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Oh yeah, So me, I'm all about defense, I'm not
saying and I'm not as hard on our receivers as
a lot of Cowboy fans. I think. I think Tolbert
and Brooks, they they shined with rush and I'm not
I'm not saying Cooper rush is better than Dak, but
dan where they catching? I mean, there there were some
nice car I mean I went back and watched a

(31:21):
couple of the games as I wanted to see because
I was looking at the stats, I'm like, Wow, Brooks
and Tolbert, you know, they their stats kind of went up,
especially they I met, I met Brush played a game
without Seedy Lambos of the game was hitting them, you know,
So is it. I don't think getting a receiver in
the first round when we could get one of the
best linebackers in the draft, that's that's just that's how

(31:44):
I feel. I would take the I would take the
best line if there's the best linebackers available, I would
I would take that.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
You're talking about Jahad Campbell of Alabama six foot three,
two hundred and thirty five pounds. Guys, unit, right, we
all know that he's going to be good at linebacker,
and then there's obviously a lot of hybrid edge rushers
that could be uh you knows, unreal. Oh well, first
of all, my biggest nightmare right now is for the

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Giants to land him.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
That's my nightmare situation.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I hope to god the Giants don't have the opportunity
to take him, right like, I hope the Giants are
sitting there with a decision to make between Shador Sanders
and like Travis Hunter, maybe they got to pick between
the teammates right like, and you're like.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Oh shit, now what a you're gonna do? Right?

Speaker 3 (32:33):
But that dude, that defensive end is going to be
a game record, a dual parter. If the Titans didn't
need a fucking quarterback, you'd be the number one overall pick.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
And you would if I go one offensive player. Obviously,
you know how I feel about cam Whart, you know, yeah,
about the you and all that. So I mean, I
think I watched every single one of cam Ward's games
and I was so impressed. I'm not I meant the
kid's going to be a stud so obviously that's who
I would want. But I meant, uh, just for the future.

(33:06):
But we know that's not happening. So well, I have
to pick one offensive player. If I have to pick
one offensive player, I had to pick one that I'd
want it to be the running back from Boise State.
Gent Okay, that's that's who I would want. I wouldn't
mind that. So you're running back first two or three years. Man,
they are look at Zeke the first two or three years.
It's a game changer.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
And you know, I think you're talking also about Jalen Walker,
who kind of plays the edge slash, you know, slash
hybrid linebacker if he needs to get so listen, that
is uh, it's to me if the Cowboys went linebacker
because the best linebacker in the country was there.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I'm not saying boo, right, I'm like shit, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Like I've seen what the Cowboys can do with a
really good defense, right, We've seen what they can do.
They almost you know, we could say almost for the
last thirty years. But like they they've had their best
teams when their defense has been the forefront.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Right when Romo was there. I feel like.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, our defense was right there, right
there were right there.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
It was. It was a great defense.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
So now you know, obviously we've been through the twenty
twenty Mike Nolan thing.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Right, we had a bad run for a little while.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
But I feel like they do have enough youth and
leadership that if you add a linebacker at twelve, I
am all for it. You could sign me up for
it because of the fact that maybe the guys that
I covet aren't there anymore, right, And that's probably the
only way that these guys slide. Right, If these linebackers
and edge rushers slide, that means somebody reached and grabbed

(34:36):
the receiver in the top like six or seven, right,
So that could be a thing. Now, if you ask
me what the Cowboys need, did they do enough in
the in the free agency to not address the running back?
You take Ashton genty if he's there, twelve, he's there,
you take them. Does he get past Chicago, No, I
don't think so. Does he get past the Raiders? I

(34:57):
don't think so. Right, But again, the Raiders have been
linked to Shador Sanders for the last three hundred and
sixty five days. But I don't think he gets past
any of these teams that I think need a running back.
I wouldn't even pass it by the fucking forty nine ers,
who have McCaffrey coming off of eighteen soft tissue injuries
to draft a running back.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Right, you never know, Wait, don't pick before us. Oh
they're right before us. Yeah, yeah, they're eleven.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
So that's a bitch.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah no, that's gonna be a nasty situation.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
I think like it's one thing to see the Giants
because they're pick three, so you're like, all right, they're
bound to get a good player. But then you see
a team like the fucking forty nine ers that are
sitting there at eleven, and they're like, ooh, this is
who I want.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I want the linebacker.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Bang goes the Niners, and you're just you're your whole
your mind will get completely blown up.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
So this reminds me of an early eighties draft where
the San Francisco forty nine Ers the Dallas Cowboys are set.
I'm taking one player and the forty nine ers picked
right behind them, right right right before them was who
was that who is that player?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
What year? What year?

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Eighty eighty three, eighty two, eighty three, maybe it's before.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I mean there were ship back then, so they had
to be a high draft pick, right.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
It was the thing. It was the first round pick
the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I'm talking about, like pick within the first round.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
This was another shocking thing I saw. But just go
with that. Just what what do you what? What do
you what? Uh fucking dude would have been a Dallas
Cowboy and it's fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Not Ken Ken Norton already played Jerry Rice. Shut the
fuck up? Are you serious?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yes, Cowboys are going to take the Niners picked right
before us and took Jerry Rice.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Could you imagine.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
That was right? One. I'm pretty sure Drew Pearson didn't
get in the car accident yet, so he was still
there when when Rice came out. But I meant, but
we still had Tony Hall, girl, Yeah, we would have
been would have been fantastic. But anyways, who.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
The hell was throwing the ball in eighty three and
that was in stallbacks still right?

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Who knows Danny White?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Danny White, yeah that was.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
And Gary hogeboom, Yeah they were there, but no, I
was gonna say that. Uh, there's one receiver taken before
Jerry Rice. I loved him as a non cowboy. I
thought he was great. He was so good.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Just tell me what team he got drafted, and I'll
tell you who he is.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
You'll know you know who he is. You're gonna know
who he is because it's your it's your little secret,
which I always call. I know you're diehard Dallas cowboy
fan for life, but there's always a little soft spot
for this green fucking team that you always have a
Mom York Mom, New York. No, it's I'm talking about
the Jets.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I thought it was Monk that.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
No, Monk is on the Redskins.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Oh, I thought he was a Jet.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Your dad knows. Your dad's probably screaming it out right now. No, dude,
this is the early eighties man Alton. Yes, he did
go before Rice. And it's not a bad pit. It's
not like he's a boss.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, but yeah, anyways, socks funny, all right, Well, anyway,
so who do you want? I want a receiver, and
the reason why I want a receiver is is simply this.
I think that Dak Prescott needs a number two, a
solid number two. Now, I understand that when Dak got

(38:13):
into the league, he had Dez and company, right, and
then we got a Mari Cooper And there was one
time where a Mari Cooper and Des Bryant were pretty much,
you know, right in the rock and roll. But I
just I never I think he needs a young, fast
guy that could separate off the line.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
I think you mean with a CD Lamb Marion CD.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Right, that's what I meant.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I'm sorry, Yeah, where we had it, we had the
twosome there and we're like, oh, it was gonna be.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
Nice, right, No, right, he was like a Right.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
So now cde Lamb is in that Cooper scenario where
he's now a couple of years into the league.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Now you've got to bring somebody else.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
There is obviously a bunch of mock drafts that are
you know, some people like Matthew Golden out of Texas,
some people like Abuka from Ohio State, some people like
Luther Burden. The third me, I think it's simple. It's
Tet McMillan. I think that's the guy. I think he's
he's the one that I think would cause the most
havoc as the number two in Dallas. Now that doesn't

(39:09):
mean that the Cowboys have to become this air raid offense,
right because you know, you need to establish the run
at all times.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
That's football, That's that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
But if you have a second, actual threat, and again,
I don't want to disrespect all the guys that are
on the team right now, but they haven't taken the leap.
We've talked to Jesse Holly, former Dallas Cowboy receiver. He
said last year was do or die for guys like
Jalen Tolbert. And while he definitely had himself a decent season,
found the end zone a bunch.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
He don't. He don't move the needle for me. He doesn't.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
He doesn't make me, as a defensive coordinator say like,
gotta find out where Tolbert is at all times. Right,
if you have Ceedee Lamb and Tet McMillan lining up
one two and then maybe even same side where Ceed's
in the slot where he does his best work or
vice versa, like, you have yourself a nice threat in
the passing game right now. Again, if Janty's there, I'm

(40:03):
all for a running back, right, I'm all for just saying,
you know, what the hell with this shit?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Run the football. He's the best running back in the country. Now.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
For whatever reason, mel Kiper Junior thinks to Mario on
Hampton like Adam North, Carolina has shot up the ranks
as the next best running back besides Genty. So I'm
just I'm very and even Trayvon Henderson out of there's
two running backs at Ohio State, which is even crazier.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
But I just feel like the receiver is the need.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Even though they've thought they addressed it, I still think
that's the glaring hole. Because the reason why I say
that is because when over Shawn is ready to rock, right,
and you have guys like Leafu coming on as his
second year, and you have these other linebackers, there's only
so many linebackers you can have, right, And I think
they have a decent linebacker, Corse a decent and look,

(40:56):
you add one of these guys that you like, sure
it gets a whole lot better. But again, got to
score points in the NFL. You have to score points,
specifically for the Dallas Cowboys, and you want to run
with teams like Philadelphia going forward and Washington and Detroit
and all these teams in Minnesota, and Green Bay is
on the emergency and the not well, not so much
the Niners that windows closed, but like the Rams are

(41:17):
gonna be good again, I think, right, So, like you
have to score points in the NFL. If you can
get me twenty four to thirty points a week with
your scheme of twenty points to seven seventeen to twenty
points on defense, cowboys are gonna have a decent season, right,
But you need to score the points.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, I don't know if that. I don't know if
this Dallas cout.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
We saw last year, man, what what they did and
did not do on this offensive side of the ball.
And I know that goes back to Dak Prescott, And
I know my.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Whole thing is like, what do you do? Do you
think just getting these more awesome players like that's gonna
I don't know. I just I think it might go
a little deeper than that. Man, That's why I'm all
about defense. I mean, look, he's had he had, he
said Dez, he's at Omar, he's at CD, he's had Winton,
he's had he's had so many freaking and.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
He's almost won MVP.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
He's almost won MVP, and all you know what, not
for nothing. I think it was kind of screwed. I
think he was screwed over. I honestly think he should
have won MVP. Look at the numbers. He had better
numbers than Lamar. Lamar just yeah, it's not Lamar possessed
the extra ability to take off and change a game
about his legs and then that's why you win MVP.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Once again. With with that, though, you got to look
at the games, look at the games that like what
did what games did he win for us? Lamar Jackson
wins so many games for his Dak Prescott. Like I said,
the Seattle game is the only one where he went
tit for tat with Gino Smith on Thursday night and
we he outscored him. I meant, Otherwise, I mean, there's

(42:48):
no I I don't bro I could go through from
twenty sixteen and maybe I'll do it on the next show.
I remember every single game games where he just I
just got in a discussion on what's it called uh
ah on a football page because they they brought up

(43:08):
the game that got Brett and I fired from blogging
on the Boys for the forty nine er game in Dallas,
and people forget our Dak proSP de Dak Prescott got
the ball back with three and a half minutes left
for down by six. With three and a half minutes left,
what does he do? He goes three and out terrible

(43:31):
punts the ball, Our defense dots him again and we
have to use our timeouts because we had to go
and then what happens. That's the whole center snap thing
because they were playing prevent and all that shit. But
there's so many games like that where Bro once again,
he had Amari Cooper, he had Dalton Schultz, he had Uh,
he had Zeke that was still playing well, he had Uh,

(43:52):
he had CD Lamb, he had all these It doesn't
how many times can you do this before you got
to point the finger at the person.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Listen, all that stuff is valid.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I'm not about to sit there and be like, ah,
you're wrong in every way shaping for him, right, No,
you're definitely right there. There's been plenty of times where
Dak Prescott had the ability or the chance to lead
us to the promised Land on certain games and he
just hasn't delivered, right, And I think for games like that,
and then you got to me, it's it's not just
the San Diego game, the.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Charge, it was the Chargers of Seattle. Seattle.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
It's not just that game to me, And I don't
think that Dak Prescott needs to light up the scoreboard
for five hundred yards a game. I don't think he
has to do that, right, I just think he has
to play good sound football. Remember last year's best game,
what was it? Pittsburgh through two picks? Right, I mean
he's still but he still played a great game of football.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
So I know he you know, yeah, no, that that was.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
I feel like there's a lot more of that, and
I understand. Look, I'm a Dack apologist. Everybody says it,
everybody knows that I am.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I am.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
I'll be the first one to admit that Dak Prescott,
to me, is the guy that I would choose if
I had to, like choose one quarterback to win the
Super Bowl. Not saying that he could or can't, saying
to win it because of who he is.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
It's Dak. And it's not close, right, like it's.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
There in the league or in the team.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
On the team.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, come on, but I'm saying no.
What I'm saying is I think that Dak has the ability.
If you look, the proof is in the pudding. Coming
off a nasty injury when he broke his ankle that
year in twenty twenty, we went down the shitter. He
came back the next year like a fucking savage, and
he absolutely balled out thirty five touchdowns to like nine

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picks over four thousand yards passing. If I'm not mistaken,
if not more, I just feel like this could be
a very very good offseason program, which he you know,
you know they talked to him at the Cancer Foundation.
He said if they had to lace him up today
could So that's a great sign.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
There's another thing we're not talking about is his legs.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Well, they talked of They brought that up. They said,
look like he used to bro there's two here, here's
where you're here's where you're not gonna It's not that
he's Hougan. Here's the difference. The difference is he's not
a runner. He can be mobile, is what I'm saying.
He's not gonna be There's not gonna be time here.
He's not Lamar Jackson. He's not the guy that's going

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to dial his own numbers first.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
But not justin fields.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
If you go back, if you go back to two
thousand when you go back to even his rookie year,
even after that, I bet that was a huge factor.
I remember, I forgot what linebacker on the Chiefs called
him the best quarterback in the league because he had
that ability to scramble and get big yards. You didn't
know what to do, whether you can whether he can
be somewhat elusive or not. That's not gonna cut it.

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He's not act. He's not that accurate. He needs the
legs were something that that contributed to be him being
so good. He's more he's gonna be more of a
pocket passer. That's not his style, dude, it's just.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Not I don't listen.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
I know he's coming off the hamstring and he's broken
his ankle and he's had play any of injuries lower
body where you're thinking, Okay, there's no more chance that
Dak Prescott could be a running quarterback.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
I will put him in the same category when it
comes to running. I will put him in the same
category as like a Justin Herbert right where he's not
the guy that he's gonna line up a shotgun. You're like, okay,
well Justin Tucket in run. No, but Justin has to
tuck it and run, he'll.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Make a play. I think Dak Prescott could still be
that quarterback. I really do.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I'm not saying there's gonna be designed RPOs like Lamar Jackson,
where you're sticking in the gut of the You're sticking
in the gut of your running back and now you're
gonna pull back because oh you can't, you gotta watch
our Dak is like, that's not a thing. He's not
that guy. I don't think he's ever been that guy,
to be honest with you. I know he's had plenty
of flash in his first couple of years in the
in the league when he was younger, and he's had
no injuries and all this other shit.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
I don't look at Dak like he's gonna be some
pocket passer. I don't see it. He's not Tom Brady.
He's not you know, he's not the guy that's gonna
drop back and just kind of wait and he can't
run with the nobility to run like he's not Cooper Rush.
Cooper Rush was sitting back there like a statue last year,
and I know if Dak was out there, he might
have made a couple.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Of plays absolutely absolutely rushes run at all.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Well, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
I don't think that Dak Prescott is going to go
into this year like I'm going to rush for four
hundred yards and I'm going to score six touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I think he's gonna have to.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Say I'm not gonna But what I'm trying to say
is that I don't care what Dak Prescott's thinking. I
don't care what the offense at the Cowboys. I'm telling
you the game plans that other defenses are going to
come up with, and that is going to keep him
in the They know he's not going to be able
to run. There's not gonna be any design run plays.
It's a whole different strategy and he's going to be handcuffed.

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That's just my that my opinion. And I'm telling I mean,
I'm o and look, man, I said average, We're.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
A decade into this. I get it, bro, I get them.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
I'm not I'm done. I'm done. He's not. He's not
it unless he could pull uh John Elway at the
end of his career. But guns for John, nobody did
get the two super Bowls before he won those Super Bowls.
So I mean, you know this the guy that comes
and look, I was high on Dak Prescott coming into

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last season. He won me over again because he did
have a great season the year before. You're saying he
was MVP, and he was not the reason we lost
to the Packers. Okay, he did throw a pick six
and he did throw an interception putting them in the
red zone. But but he scored five times in a
row in that game right after that, and green Bay

(49:31):
just kept scoring touchdown so we couldn't do anything. So
I didn't. I don't blame I do blame him once
again for both of those forty nine er losses that
we had. That's it. I don't blame him for the
Rams one. I don't blame him for the first Packer game.
But I'm just saying those two. But there are games
that like that against Philly one timer only. But we

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needed that game to win the division. We didn't even
score touchdown that game and they beat us. They won
the division at what eight eight and eight or something? Yeah,
I mean Eagles did. I mean, I don't know. I
can go on and on. I'm just not falling for
it again. I'm not I don't care he's gonna have
to go. He's gonna have to make it to the
super Bowl, not even an NFC championship game. He's gonna

(50:15):
have to make it to a super Bowl for me
to be like, Okay, there's shit or egg all over
my face, whatever it is, because you know, but it's
one of those things. It's like then I'd be like,
if I'm Dak, I'd be like, I get why somebody
wouldn't believe in me, so sure.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
And I think that's where he's at right now.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
I think that he knows, he's well aware that the
jury is almost completely convinced that this dude cannot do
it right, and there's and it doesn't help that the
Philadelphia Eagles won a super Bowl with Jalen Hurts. Right,
all these little factors that are gonna work against the
Dak Prescott Army or the people that support the guy
or back him.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Like me, where I'm just you know, apologetic about the dude.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Forever, right. I just feel like he possesses the ability
to win a football game. I just don't know the
scenario that's needed. And what it starts with is having
more weapons. And again I understand that, you know, you
can't just stockpile a fantasy team on one side of

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the ball. I get that, right, But I think last
year we saw a lot more glimpses of hope out
of our defense playing well down the stretch. Then our
offense couldn't score points, right, And that's again Cooper Rush
was the quarterback whatever.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
But Cooper Rush wasn't that bad either.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
It wasn't bad, but he wasn't good either, you know
what I mean, Like we haven't We never went into
a podcast after a game's like, boy, oh boy, he
lit up the score, right, like he won a good
game because he's a good sound quarterback, right, and now
he's gonna go back up Lamar Jackson because they needed
another scrambler Lamar Jackson, which makes zero fucking sense whatsoever?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Zero like zero sense like zero like zero point zero.
He can't run.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
I don't get that shit at all. But in any event,
God speed. I hope he's okay.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
But we did make a quarterback move as we wrap
this up.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
You know, Joe Milton, the third bro, like I listen,
strong arm MOBOs all shit flashed a lot last year
in one game, right, People are like, oh, you know
this guy, you can ball right, his arm is a cannon, right,
he's got a hell of an arm.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Do I think he's the future of the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
No, I don't, but I'm willing to have him win
me over when Dak's riding off at the sunset, because again,
I don't think it despite the fact that your boy
Pat Volkomer can sit there and say, like.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Dark, I got right on, Doc Prescott, this is what's
gonna hapen ah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Blah blah, and like none of that shit's gonna happen. Right,
Dak will be a cowboy until he decides he's done
being a cowboy. That's that's my opinion, and that's how
I feel. This is how they treat their quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Think about that.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Think about that.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
I agree he'll be a cowboy as long as he wants,
But if somebody's out shining him in camp, they'll bench.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
His ass down the road.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Maybe not can't, but no, not only can't the season.
They're not just gonna be like, well, he's the highest page,
so he's gonna play if Dak is sucking dick, okay,
and fucking Milton comes in, and Milton comes in and
fucking oh ship. Latest kid, he's he's ripping it. Oh
well that that that just had a bad game. We're
gonna start him again next week. That is that's not

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gonna happen. That is not gonna happen. I think this
kid comes in and plays well, that kid will start
the rest of the season. Watch.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I think everybody everybody wants Joe Milton the Third to
be Willie.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Well, that's our receipt everyone. So basically, I'm very high
on Joe Milton the third. Okay, I liked him, yes,
and I kind of wanted us. So if you guys
go back, no one's gonna remember. But I brought him
up on the podcast for their draft other draft on
we had. I like him a lot. So I'm very
thrilled that he's getting a chance. And people are their
biggest gripe with other people. Other Cowboy fans say, well,

(53:54):
if he's so good, why the Patriots let him go
because they have Drake May. They got a first rounder
who's a ball as well. Guaranteed Milton went to them
and they honored him. Said I want to go somewhere
where as a future.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Well they did.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
They actually they narrowed, he narrowed down his teams, but
the Cowboys were on top of his list. And I
don't know if Milton has this like nod nod, wink wink,
like look, we all seehi, what Dak can do. I
can definitely outshine him, right, Like I I don't know,
I don't know. If there's a confidence thing, there won't
be to me. There's no competition this year, right, there's
a serviceable backup where I think that God forbid Dak

(54:29):
comes in something right and needs to, you know, take
some time off again. Then you have a decent backup
you can get excited about. I wasn't the needle wasn't
moving to the extreme. When Cooper Rush came in, I'm like, well,
he's won games, right, It never did it for me
with him?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
It could, right, it could. It could make me like,
oh shit, we got ourselves.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Will he fucking beamon over here and that's gonna be
great and we're gonna watch him do his thing and
he's gonna get metrics commercials and it's gonna be great.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
But he's young and we don't know what he is, right,
and we don't at bringing up his last game of
the season in and.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Lost the fucking Patriots the number one overall pick.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
We did, and and as high as I am on him,
as high as I am on him, people got to
realize Buffalo is resting their starters in area.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Right of course.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
NFL players yeah, this and that, but it wasn't a
legit like test. So he's still yet to have that
legit test. But I like what I see it. I think,
you know, I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
The problem I have, the problem I have now. And
because of the fact that we know how things go
in Dallas as far as preseason.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I know what we are.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
You, I, you, me and Brett all in agreement. Get
your asses out there and play some fucking preseason games.
DAK and starters and CD and all those guys. I
firmly believe it would help them, and I don't know
if they'll change their ways. However, I will preface this
and end the podcast like this. There probably will be
some big time flashes of great out of mill in

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the third in the preseason where we're all like, yo,
like it might be time, like oh shit, there's I
know how it.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I know how it works over here. Headlines are gonna
be great.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Move you're missing, you're missing what you just said if
they're not. If he's playing with the ship players, you
know what I'm saying. Oh sorry, I don't mean to
say ship during the NFL, So I take that back.
He's playing with the players that yeah, like third or
fourth stringers. That's not fair on him either.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
That's that's very fair. I get it, and you know
it remains to be seen.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Well, we shall find out, but we shall find out
what the Dallas Cowboys do with the twelfth overall pick
in the NFL draft going down next Thursday. We're gonna
try to get back on before that h as it
gets closer, But just tune into all the social media's
Jersey Boys on Twitter, Instagram, all that ship. We will
be dropping some more content periodically to try to get
some some new fans out there. So if you've never

(56:53):
experienced the Jersey Boys podcast before, this is just a
small taste. Usually you hear a lot of on paper
and uh, you know, from Brett, and then you get
some good analysis here. Listen, we are X's and those guys,
but we are mostly eye test people. I will say
that right now. We've all played the game. We know
the game, we love the game. But I'm not about
to sit here and drop like, well, when he drops

(57:14):
back three yards instead of six, he's better, you.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Like, I'm not. We're not gonna break it down like
that on this podcast. If you're a good, die hard,
old stud Cowboys fan, you will love this podcast. So
please tune in more as we get this shit rolling.
So with that being said, enjoy the rest of your weekend.
For Dave Stercio and America's fan Keith Urts. This has
been another episode, a first episode of this season for
the Jersey Boys Podcast and we'll see you guys next time.

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