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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, listen Tony soprano and you're listening to Jersey Boys
Podcast with your host Dave Stercio and the Archboys. I mean,
I can give a shit about the cowboys with New Jersey.
These guys got bulls being cowboys, fang in Jersey anyways,
enjoy well, whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
What's going on? Cowboys Nation?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome to another episode, a very special episode of the
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say filling in, but you are an honorary Jersey boy
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Jesse, Holly, mister fourth and long himself. Jesse, how are
we doing?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Bro?
Speaker 5 (00:55):
What's going on? But I am a Jersey boy though,
Like that's who I am. At my core, I am,
I am Jersey, I'm from Jersey, I bred Jersey, I'll
bleed Jersey like Jersey is in me.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
So I am I am a Jersey boy through and through.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
I listen, no arguments here, Broment, not honorary on this podcast. Okay,
I get all right, statement Dave.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Clarify the statement. Oh all right, man.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
So look, we are literally, as we record this Tuesday afternoon,
we are two.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Days away from brand new how should I say this?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
A heartache in the making, you know whatever. You know,
it's only a matter of time before these boys rip
our hearts out, but we just don't know when. So
it's a matter of just like pick your poison, but
first and foremost before we get into anything else. Obviously
you've covered it at length with d LS and everything
you guys do over there, which, by the way, great show.
Go check them out every day. I'm watching you guys.
(01:52):
I'm one of those hate subscriber guys, you know what
I mean. I'll donate to the cause once in a while.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, of course. Course.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So Michael Parsons, right, we talked about it at length,
and I know it's kind of like beating a dead
horse at this point, but I kind of wanted to
get your feel of where you think the temperature of
the room is now now that we're four or five
days removed from the trade practices have.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Been going on.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You know, is there a winner of this trade or
do you have to like Hey, talk to me in
a couple of years when we find out who you
draft with all those picks we.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Got, I think you hit it on the head.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
I mean, the biggest winner out this all is David Malugeta,
right like he got his three percent, you know, to
the max. He adds another one of the largest record
breaking contracts to his ledger. Talk about a guy who
can walk into any college recruits house right now and say, listen,
you want to get paid.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
You want to be with me.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Look what I've done for the athlete that I've represented.
I've done over a billion dollars in contracts in one
calendar year. So if there is a winner in this all,
it's David. It's David Maluguetta and athletes first agent. But
I think you're right. I think you're gonna have to
wait a couple of years until you see what the
Cowboys can do with their draft picks. Because if they
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go and they find, you know, two more Hall of Famers,
or they turn that into something more significant, if it
is the Herschel Walker type situation, then you go, you
know what, everybody's a winner. Green Bay got it, you know,
a great player. The Cowboys got great players. And nobody
loses in this situation. But you know, if Micah goes
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to Green Bay this year and is the defensive player
of the Year and he ends up helping that team
get to a super Bowl, you're looking around now, you're going, well, god, oh,
you know what I'm saying. Or if the Cowboys decide, hey,
we got rid of that headache and now we've gotten
ourselves situated and they get to a place they haven't
been to in twenty our years, You'll say, I do
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think it takes some time for me. And I don't
know if you guys from about a year ago, the
Internet was on my head, okay when I came out
and had the viral comments about what I said about
Michael Parsons, and Micah's mother wanted my head, and his
brother wanted my throat, and the fans wanted me, you know,
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tard plucked and feathered and just strung out there, you know,
for the world to see about things that I said
about Micah. But I know this, guys, you don't win
in this league without damn good players. And feel however
you feel about Michael Parsons, and I felt that, and
I vocalized that I didn't want to see him go
because it's so hard to replace that level of talent.
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You those guys aren't falling off the back of the
apple truck every single day.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
And when you have a player.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Like Micah and all the drama that he may bring,
you know, he takes Osa from a C player to
a B player, He.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Takes Sam Williams from a C player to a B player.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
He takes you know, all the other guys around him,
and their game elevates because they have more opportunity to
do at a one on one basis, because.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
All the attention is focused on Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
So overall, I think it will take some time to
see who's the winner or loser in it all.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
But I hated to see it happened. I hated to
see it happened. I didn't think, think.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I want to interject real quick? Uh, our run our
run game or was an f okay? There was no
going from a B to a C edge. We had,
we had the edge right now in my opinion, I'm ready.
I mean, we got to talk about it. Me personally
mentally moved on. Uh. It was like, yo, we had
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a strong nine as a girlfriend. But now we got
an eight. You know what I mean. I think as
far as.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
You got a six with a nice booty stop. Okay,
not for me, man, we got we got a girl.
You gotta with some nice titties, Like we're not.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Like, let me feel physically gonna come in here all
of a sudden. And Ken Clark's Pro Bowl season, the
Packers did not have a definite runs. They were one
of the worst run stopping run run defense teams in
the league. And this was Kinny's Pro Bowl season. So
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you got and a half what a nice rack.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Let me, I was gonna say, but she'll have dinner ready,
the house will be cleaned right when I talk to
what she looks like? And and uh, he didn't let
me finish.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
He said, we gotta pass We got a passport, a passport, chick.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
No, it's a need that that that we needed. There
was a lot going on for me personally. We it's
defined now. It's like if we didn't cite I have
and I didn't get to speak on this because I don't.
I think Jerry's full of crap too, because when he
was like this is the plan all along, it's like,
come on, buddy, you offered him still the highest paid
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if you thought he was all those problems, And why
would you we even offered him a contract, And what
you would have traded him when you could have maybe
gotten more or earlier, you know what I mean? Yeah,
And and that is nonsense. And then you know the
as far as like the big, big games where Micah
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didn't step up where I thought, you know, would he
have one sack in the playoffs and it was against
Green Bay and it was in the fourth quarter. I mean,
I'm sorry, Tampa. Yeah, it was Tom Brady. I meant,
we've moved on. We filled the need which we didn't have.
I think having him and Osa back together could could
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really help because the run game is our problem.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Man.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
And and you know, and I'll tell you right now,
I think the linebacking corps improved this year. I just
think Micah to me was top three pass rusher. I
have a question for you though, because I put him
because he you know, they never really put him at
outside linebacker. They always just put him at the edge
when we needed a linebacking corps. Was there something lacking
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in in his linebacking development that they just said, no,
we're gonna stick him at the edge because that's where
we need him, or or because we really needed help
in the second level, and they never really put him there.
They just always put him on the line.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah when when when he was here, Remember he.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Started out as a linebacker and then yeah, Lucas foot
to hurt his foot of something like that, and at
a necessity they moved him to edge rusher. And while
dan Quinn found his bag deficit edge rusher coming off
you know, off the end in Michael Parsons and then
you know, if you remember going back to the Green
Bay game, they were talking about maybe putting him back
at linebacker.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
What ended up happening.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
In my opinion, this ticket however you want it, and
people can judge me however you want it. Once Micah
got to take of what it was to be a
rush end, Micah didn't want to put in the work
it took to be because at rush in there is
truly no responsibility.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It's go get the quarterback and I gotta.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Read keys, things change and all that I gotta flow.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I gotta read.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
There's too much thinking of too much responsibility, and my
calling athlete, No, I am not calling him a dumb athlete.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that Micah
found a love for just going to do the simplistic thing,
and it would have taken a lot more of studying.
It'll take more a lot more of him applying just
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his athletic ability to be a good linebacker. What made
a guy like Sean Lee, but mega guy like Ray Lewis,
with a mega guy like Louke Keikley, those type of
Patrick Willison, Uh, one of my favorite players is a
Fred Warner. What makes those type of linebackers just absolutely
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dogs is their ability to absolute diagnose what's happening before
it happens, and then go hunt. Micah didn't want to
put in that work.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
I didn't want I thought there was something there, there
was a red flag there that.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
And because of that, you you you, you have you
have the you have the to pick your poison. Do
I keep beating a dead horse and saying, hey, study, study, study,
improve and improve and proved reaching key, reach Keith, reach
the keys, or do I say you know what, just
go get the quarterback. Go we'll figure go get the quarterback,
We'll figure the rest out. And I think that's what
it became because he became so good.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
At just going to get the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Jesse, did you see that the Packers, though, picked up
his fifth year option as an outside linebacker, so save
the money.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I realized that because I was that type of player
where I didn't put the time in in the films
as much. And by the way, l I U we
got killed by Florida this week fifty five nothing. Uh,
that was the type of player I was.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I was that.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
I was a lazy film guy. I and that's why
I would come in on the nickel and my coach
would just say, go get the you know, go get
the quarterback, and uh, and I'm I'm you know, I'm
I'm mature enough to say where my faults were where
I didn't put that time in a lot, you know
what I mean, and that matters. And and I saw that,
I'm like, yo, that's kind of similar, you know, the
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less responsibility I had and just let me go get
the quarterback or you know, like I said, I was
always the nickel.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Guy and that's where he made his money and that's
that's why.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
But for the Cowboys, I think this and I know
it sounds crazy, and me and my brother were vocal
about this, especially my brother that if we would have
gotten we we were on it, which would it never
have happened When you said Fred Warner that that's our guy,
I would I would have been like, yo, if we
could just trade Micaeh for Fred.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I would have been in love, like legitimate, like Fred
Warner is my one of my favorite. When I go
watch film, I look for what games can I have
watched the forty nine defense play because that's how much
I love watching for it.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Want to play football.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah, he's a savage. I think he's the best, in
my opinion, best defensive player in the league right.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Now there up there now now Jess Obviously, like I said,
Michael Parks and stuff, it comes and goes.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
We'll have to see on Thursday. We'll talk about the
Eagles in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
But want to see how they react and see where
what kind of pressure they can develop up the edge,
and you know, you gotta we're hoping a lot of
or at least we're wanting and wishing a lot from
a lot of these young guys.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So we'll get into that in a second.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Before we got what Sam Williams, right, we got uh.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
We got, we got Sam Williams, we got edge rush.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
It's not we have more. We had more of a
problem in the interior than we did on the edge.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And I think, listen, I think Kenny Clark's a fine player.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
And like you said, Jesse, I mean the stats don't lie,
like even in his big year that the Packers were
dog shit against the run that year. But again, fresh based,
new start for both guys, for both parties.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
You know what we didn't have. We didn't have that
d lineman that gets the penetration and and stops the
the old lineman from getting to that second level. That
that and you know, and and he's he's good man,
he's a good.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Also want to say this, guys the tackles.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Let me also say this because I think sometimes we
we we focus in on certain things and we missed
a bigger picture. Like when we talk about running in
the middle, like the Cowboys just didn't get beat behind
the center like like like like ran at Micah like
they like when when teams decided, especially in late November
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and December and in the playoffs, when teams decided they
were going to run the football, it wasn't just because
they ran behind their center, and they ran outside. They
ran counter, they they ran traps, they ran.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Leads, they ran a bunch of they ran. It wasn't
just the middle.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
We we talk about the middle because we want to
get pressure up the middle, not only in the run
game but also in the past game. But they teams
ran all across the offensive line. Derrick Henry Sa Kwon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
You named the facts. They ran.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
They ran left, they ran right, they ran down the middle,
they ran outside. It wasn't just down the middle. So like,
I get what you're saying about Kenny Clark being there,
but but damn it you they're gonna still run to
the left outside.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
They're still gonna run to the right outside like that
who offense? Excuse me?
Speaker 5 (14:34):
That whole defensive line. We we The emphasis is, you know,
we need to be more stout in the middle, and yes,
you do. You need to be more stout across the
front because teams just decided, like third quarter, listen, we're
gonna run the ball seven eight times in a row.
And when you get to that point when they run
the ball seven eight times in the row, they've lost
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respect for anything that you can do to stop them.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
But you do know, if you're getting that penetration we need,
like on a counter, on a trap, you know, those
guards if you're back there, they're and they're trying to pull,
and you know you're still disrupting the play. It does help,
but it's not just.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
The middle right, it's like right, but it's also.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Last year just pulling or the guard pulling, you know,
when when it's when you're back there and they got
to get around here, it's harder to do a sweep.
You know, there's a lot there. And I think our
linebacking corps improved. I love Shamar James lea Fouie. I
mean he I mean what we saw in preseason, he
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was bawling.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I think.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
I know it sounds crazy, we we lost an elite player,
but I think in the long run it may help
the team better if if you know, we feel we've
stepped up that need.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
That's the one thing I'm tripping up on on the
media side of things.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
And I understand at these reporters and the beat guys,
and they all have to answer that, you know, ask
their questions and try to, you know, peel back the
onion as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
But like you know, let's let's knock off the whole asking.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Players about how they felt about the trade, you know
what I mean, Like, hell, look, it's a culture shock.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Everybody knows it. Michael Parsons was your best defensive player.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
And one was going to say, yeah, we get rid
of it, get rid of the bump. No one's going
to say that.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
No, no, no, not. We're not at all like.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
For them to ask continuously, like you know, they're asking
the digs is of the world and Dak and even
Dak was like you can feel like he was fed
up with it. He's like, well, you guys said this,
you know what I mean. So I'm assuming it got personal,
like he really wasn't knee deep like everybody else was.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
So anyway, but we got rid of We got rid
of the question, whether it was whether you know, it
was just lingering. It's like, look either, yeah, I mean,
look it up this Sunday.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I don't know, we'll see. You know. I think he's
gonna do everything in his power to do it.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
But when you're making forty seven million dollars, can you
imagine if we gave him that contract and now he's
sitting on the sidelines with a sore back or whatever,
like people will be in up up roar, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
So, and to give Jerry credit, I mean, Michael, if
you Micah is the number one Jersey.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Is really hurt. I got a Bridge and Brooklyn to
sell you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
No, I mean you could tell you just based off
the reaction video when he got traded, you know what
I mean, Like you're jumping around in his living room.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
I'm like, oh yeah, but we both know that for
Jerry to give up probably the number one Jersey sales.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
He'll make another Jersey sale.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
I'm just saying there must have been there must have.
It must have not gonna move in anything.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott owns that.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I thought Micaeh was number one?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
No, no, no, it was always dakk. Dak was always
a popular commodity in Dallas. Speaking of Dak Prescott, Jesse,
you know, last year when we talked to you right
before the season, we said a lot, you know, the things,
the things that concerned you the most was that the
division was getting better, right, and.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
All of a sudden, by the way, it did right.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
So Giants could the.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Eagles of the World champions, the defending world champions.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Washington took a huge step forward, even though I, in
my heart of hearts, want to say, like it can't
be that good, like let's take a step back. But
they you know, they are the giants are you.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You know, the defense is going to play better. Russ
He's won a Super Bowl. I'm not going to discredit
any of that. But when you look at a healthy
Dak Prescott, how does that change the landscape of the Cowboys. Now,
there were times last year when we were struggling and
Dak was the starter, right, Like, Dak was in there
against the Saints, Ravens, all that stuff. And you know,
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if Keith was on this podcast, he would harp on
the fact that we gave up like twenty one touchdowns
in like four home games, like it was it was
absurd level of ridiculousness when it comes to the defense.
But now, healthy Dak Prescott, you add George Pickens, I
flipped the script from Michael Parsons to the offensive side
of the ball. Is this I'm looking at this Dallas
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Cowboys team right now, And maybe this is a wrong
way to look at it, but I'm looking at it
as the twenty twenty four Cincinnati Bengals. Do you know
what I'm talking about when I say that, Oh.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
My God, did you listen to Did you listen to
me on today? No?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I did not.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I swear to God, Oh my God, I swear to God.
I literally said, take Joe Burrow and what he did
last year. Take a snapshot of that. Oh my God,
I gotta send you the clip. I swear God.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I said, I'll miss I don't miss your episodes. But
today I was all busy back, I said, I was.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
I Wasnwie Scruggs was out and so I was hosting
the players lounge Barry Urch, Demontoy Moore and uh and
and Anthony Dorset. I swear to God, I'm going to
send you the clip. I said, Take, I said, take
what Joe Burrow did offensively. I said, take a snapshot
of that, and then take it over here, photoshop it,
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and here is your twenty twenty five twenty twenty six
Cowboys Offensively. I swear to God, this is literally what.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
You agree.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Get Clearly we're on the same page.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah, I one hundred percent it might listen.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Last year Cincinnati Bengals defense was like historically bad, right, historically,
like they just couldn't keep up with anybody. I look
at the Cowboys defense, you know a little bit sound right,
and I and I love ebra Flus and what he's
been able to do as a coordinator, not so much
as a coach, but like I look at the defense
to be a little bit better than what the Cincinnati
Bengals were able to.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Try it out.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
But the problem is Cincinnati was dealing with the Brownses
of the world. They were dealing with the Steelers who
are on you know, were last year. We're a little
bit of night and day, right, and then obviously the
Baltimore Ravens are who they are with the Cowboys defense
and the Cowboys Dak Prescott being here and having that
Joe Burrow type mentality where they're gonna have to score
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some points. The problem is, I think the division is
much better than the AFC North was last year. So
I kind of I kind of in that regard because
I think that, you know, we're gonna have to keep
up with some seriously decent talent in the NFC East alone. Right,
We're sitting here waiting for twenty five years to see
if there's going to be anybody else that can take
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the division back to back years. I think the Eagles
are primed and in position to do that this year.
And I hate saying it, but like I think that
you know, they're they're better, They're the better team in
the NFC East out of all of us.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But like, where do you see the Cowboys ceiling offensively
for this year?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Hi, I've been on record as saying that I believe
and I am.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
I'm willing to push all my chips in on CD Lamb.
I think right now, arguably you will say Ceedee Lamb
is the top three receiver in this league.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I think that's fair. You can put Jamar change, you
can put Justin Jefferson in there.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
You can say they're interchangeable in their own way. Right.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I do think right now that those two are slightly
ahead of CD. I just my belief.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
I've said it on multiple platforms. I am so high
on CD Lamb. I believe in what this dude is
getting ready to do so much. When we get done
with the twenty twenty five six five twenty twenty six
football season for the Dallas Cowboys, it will be Ceedee
Lamb and who fits with him, he will be the
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number one receiver in the league. In my opinion, I
think if Dak Prescott stays healthy, you will see him
throw for five thousand yards. He will throw for the
most yards he's ever thrown for in his career. He's
gonna throw for the most downs he's ever thrown in
his career. He'll have the most passing attempts he's ever
had in his career. It's gonna take the Cowboys to
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average about twenty seven to thirty points a game to win.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I believe that.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
But I think with the addition of George Pickens, I
think Ferg is gonna have a bounce back year. I
don't believe in the running game. I do not believe
in the running game. I don't believe a word when
Schottenheimer talks about we're gonna be a physical running team.
If you watch the episode when he and I had
our one on one, but when we had him on us,
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I'm like, I don't want what you're saying and what
you're doing don't match. Because your former your former quarterback,
so that's in your blood. You know you already told
me that you lay up at night thinking about getting
the ball to see thee Lamb and George Pickens. You
already told me that in a joint practice when things
weren't going well for you, when you got mad, you
didn't run the ball. Evenmore, you didn't ran the ball
down there throat. You said, nah, I'm gonna bomb this
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thing away. You already showed me that. You already opened
up the first two preseason game and said, I just
want to see George Pickett sling that thing around you
coaching on you, fanning boy boy like which one is it?
Because he because that ain't what that ain't That ain't
what you said you was going to do. And then
on top of that, I just you don't have nothing
about your running backs or you're blocking up front. Tells
me that you're gonna be a physical, dominant running team.
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What's gonna happen is you're gonna get into these games
and you're gonna be running it, running your head into
the wall, and you're gonna realize Javonte Miles MafA blue.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Lip key, Ain't it what I do have? Though?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
I got a super saying out there a number eighty eight, okay,
and I got another beast on the other side that
wears number three and I got number eighty seven. So
what I'm gonna do is, I'm gonna spread these jokers
out wide, and I'm gonna throw this thing around the
park and let's see where we land. I think that's
gonna be the fuming for the Cowboys to have success,
I believe. Now, does that mean they're gonna win a
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lot of games?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Don't know, don't know.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
But that's why I said, it's gonna look a lot
like how the Bengals look. Where where Dak Prescott's gonna
be out there slanging that thing across the park and
you're gonna see, You're gonna see possibly two thousand yard
receivers from George Pickens and CD.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Land so both then, now, just just to piggyback off that,
and I was gonna ask you about the running Game anyway,
just because it's another committee.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Right until until you know, Thanksgiving of last year, we
didn't know who.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
RB one was until they were like, yeah, we goes
the guy, and it's like, oh, okay, you know, like
we kind of knew that, but like you know now
that you've announced it. But now I with with the
threats on the outside and the emergence of a bounce
back potential for Jake Ferguson. Don't you think that this
running back room, of all the running back rooms in
the NFL, don't you think they're gonna be facing a
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little bit of the lighter boxes because of the fact
that you have to respect all the talent that's on
the outside. So they might find themselves some extra daylight
here and there.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Maybe, But you're telling me, Javonte Williams the guy that's
gonna be able toe this thing to glory and listen
to Wonte Williams, it's a tar heel right, I'm always
down for by Tar Hills. Javonte Williams spoke the other
day and Javonte Williams was shocked himself that he didn't
play in the preseason.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
That tells you all you need to know about the guy.
He's like, He's like, I'm I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
They didn't play me in the preseason even he know, damn,
I said the guys from spending the preseason too.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
He was shocked.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
You know what, you know what you know, how what
that says about a player When a player is shocked
that he didn't play in the preseason.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
It wasn't like it. You know, Ceede Lamb wasn't shocked.
He didn't play the preseason. He wasn't shocked at all.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
He like, listen, I'm Ceedee Lamb, I'm him, I'm Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
You know what I'm saying. Like, I know who I am.
Y'all know who I am. I don't need to he
was shocked. He didn't play, even he doesn't believe he did.
He did. He did not not need the work to
go out there. So I just you didn't bring it.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Like Davonte is not dynamic enough for me to believe
that he's gonna be able to take over this running game.
Miles Sanders is not a guy who are dynamic enough
I believe is gonna be able to take over this
running game. I think Miles are not Miles. I think
Jaden Blue has he has juice, but I don't think
he's a guy you can give the ball to twenty
times a game, right, He's a more of a guy
you give the ball to eight to twelve times a game.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
So I just I just believe.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
And then we're talking thing about an offensive line with
four question marks four four four.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
There's only there's only there's only one short thing that
you have up front.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That's Tyler Smith.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
That's it. That's it. You don't know who I guess
what is Nate Thomas?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Tyler?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
What is Nate Thomas? What is Tyler got?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well, I mean we know what.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Tyler got in it so far we we you know,
for everybody. And when you went down this year, everybody's
like panic mode. And I was like, what are you
guys panicking for? You wanted the bench of two weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
It's like and and and and Tyler Booker. I'm not
down on Tyler Booker.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Tyler Booker has twenty eight preseason snaps and you have
to now welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
And your first your first go out of is.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Jordan Datas Jordan Davis and and uh and Jalen Carter
and and where and where Tyler got excuse me, Tyler's
Booker struggled.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
That was with athletic defensive tackles.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Oh, by the way, once you get done with those
two Bosters next week, welcome to the National Football League.
You gotta deal with Sexy DEXI good luck with that
young young fellow, Like like, I'm not saying that he
won't have success.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
We don't know, And now tell me what, Terrence Steele,
are we getting?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
All right? So Jesse, let me ask you though, man,
because we talk about this all the time, why is that,
like like we saw the Kansas City Chiefs put their
first team in at least for how many series? We
don't Why don't we do that in pre I get
that you want to protect dak Or, like you said,
c D, but a lot of these other guys need
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to get those reps and they just don't do it.
I don't understand it.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
I believe that if it was up to Brian Schottenheimer,
if he had that Blanche, if he had full control,
they would have played.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I believe so too.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I do, But.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Talk about injuries and stuff all a frame.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
He is so afraid that something is going to happen
to one of his one of his money makers, and
it's going to ruin his ability to market.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
M hm. He lost his soul when when.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Not win games and then.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
We lost over shown two in preseason.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Yeah, but you lost guys in practice or should we
he not practice as well? I won't like I get
people have the arguments about preseason. But on Thursday night
at seven thirty Central Time. Okay, Dak Prescott will take
the field for the first time since October of last year. Like,
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how say whoever you want, there will be some rust.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Now we're all in agreement, man.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Jesse, I'm not I'm not out here asking for Dak
Prescott to go out there and sling it in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Get the cadence down, get the get one to the outside,
maybe a direct bubble screen, something quick hit off the field.
That's it.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
To get that offensive line, Like even your offensive line,
they haven't truly played together. So what happens now when
the heat is on and phillies that the crowd is
lit and they cussing at you and Jalen Carter's slobbing,
and now you're trying to get calls and people ain't
getting the calls because they just haven't worked well enough together.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Like that's the part I want.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
I want the cohesiveness I do what show what Nate
Newton And Nate new talks about it all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
He goes, what made us so great?
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Not that we were just dominant like that, but we
had a we had a communication, We had a cohesiveness
that was was top tier, like guys didn't even have
to talk. You know, he was like, you know two
and a care say like look at me, and I
knew what he meant. He's like, you know, big A
can make a grunt, and we knew what he meant.
And that because we had so much time together. And
that's the thing about offensive line is that you have
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to they got. It has to fit like a glove
because you can have four guy doing the right thing
and a fifth.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Guy not and now it blows play up.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I say that all the time. It's like synchronized swimming. Man.
You gotta be on the same page, and you gotta
you gotta know what each other is doing. And the
only way to do that you got to get those reps. Man,
and and and you know, at least something in preseason,
maybe just anything.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
And the thing that worries me about the running game
is this is, of course I cover this team. I
was at training camp. You guys are following this team closely.
Tell me a day in training camp. Tell me a
day that you heard any one report that the running
game dominated practice, right, and we're talking about our defensive line.
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So there was one day where you looked up and
it was like today, that running game got after the defense.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Now, you know, you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Just I think the only time that the Cowboys nation
in Unison we're talking about a decent running game is
when off the Streets be Lak Davis came out of nowhere.
It has some bursts in the preseason. That's it, that's
really it. Like we're all waiting for Jaden Blue he
gets hurt. We're all looking at Phil MafA like, oh,
MafA looks like he's got something, and then he doesn't
do much, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Then he gets put on ir It's like, okay, like
let's all pump the brakes. I'm with you. I think that.
Do I think Gervonte Williams will be serviceable?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Do I think Miles Sanders might make a player too?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
I do.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
But when when you're.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Talking about Schottenheimer in the ways he's trying to coach
the team, We're gonna be smash mout, We're gonna run
it down your throat. We're it's like, yeah, all right,
who are you trying to sell that to because it
sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
I mean. The other one is there's a difference between
being hurt and being injured, and you got to get
hurt early. I know it sounds crazy, but then you
Jesse too. You know you're you're playing hurt the whole season.
You're gonna play hurt, but you want to get hurt early,
and even if it's in preseason. Because that's been our
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complaint to the second third game, we start to move
move that like the third game of the season shouldn't
be our preseason, you know what I mean, we should.
We should be getting those reps in early, get your
little minor injuries so you're getting used to them. And uh,
it's just I never understood it, man, but we noticed
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the same thing. It's like, come on, we're like one
of the only teams.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
No, Jerry's Jerry's is deathly afraid for anything, especially when
it comes to Dak Prescott. He looks like we're not
having them out there, and it's tough to sell ads
when they look up and they go, your quarterback's not there.
You don't really have a chance to win every week
because if you have a quarterback, especially one of caliber
of Dak Prescott, you do have a chance.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Whatever that chance may be. You have you have one?
And I guess you know this year in particular, when.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
They looked up and they was like, we've ripped and
and I think I didn't think about that until just now.
Maybe they looked up and said, we can't afford to
lose Dak Prescott because we don't have Cooper Rush anymore.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
And they.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
They know what they had in Joe Milton. You didn't
need three percent game to tell you that. Like if
you're an evaluator, like like Shotty you, you you played
the position, you you coach quarterbacks, you've been on the
office side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
You didn't need six months to tell you what Joe
Milton was you three months ago?
Speaker 5 (34:17):
You knew too much ago and happening was the word
from upstairs came down to you and they said, make
it work.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
We I gave a full round pickup for this. Do
the same thing we did with Trey Lance. Make it work.
You're like, oh, this guy's not really ready for the
big show. Make it work. Keep putting them out there.
I want to. I got to sell this dream to
the fans that this is going to be all right.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, And for anybody you know touting that mixed Joe
Milton is the is the successor.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I think everybody just needs to pump the brakes a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
You know, we saw some flashes of good towards the.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Back end, but again he might have been thrown against
guys that will be backing groceries that stop a chop tomorrow,
you know what I mean. So I'm not I'm not
bad the guy by any means. And I think he's
got a raw skill set. I think he's actually going
to be okay in this league as a starter.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So that's why you keep Dak Prescott in bubble wrap.
Considering what we just went through last year and all
the years of the Romo injuries, It's like we never
had a guy that could step in Cooper Rush.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
He was like an enigma to me. I was like,
he came in and he won some games, and I
was like, oh, we got somebody that can running off.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
That's a smart dude. You know, can't run like Dak did,
But then again, do we even want that running, you
know what I mean? So it was like a catch
twenty two double edged sort a million times over with
the quarterback position. But so we've talked obviously about Dak.
We've talked about the wide receiver court this.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Year, though, Man, he's the key this year. To me,
Dak needs to have the best season that he's ever had,
and if it eight this year, then we got to
start looking next year.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Well, I think that the start looking process has already.
That's been in the back of the mind. He's coming
into season ten right now. You're floating and flirting with
like the Drew Brees and the Peyton Mannings and the
John Elways of the world.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
We're like, Okay, if he hasn't done it yet, is
he ever gonna do it?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And if he does, is gonna be like a Swan song,
like Hey, I told Jack guys I would do it,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Like that was great after.
Speaker 6 (36:08):
Ten years to still have some kind of questions, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Because you know that's the thing though, br I think
that like when when Romo was playing in his early days,
I was like, dude, every time this guy dropped back
to pass. I mean, look, Jesse knows he played with him, Like, well,
he's not gonna say it publicly, but I'm saying, like,
every time Romo dropped back to pass in his early days,
I was like, where's this going.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Is it gonna be bad? It is gonna be picked?
Is you know somebody gonna something bad?
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Is gonna happen?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Towards the back end of Romo's career twenty fourteen into
twenty fifteen, even twenty thirteen, I was like, you know what,
let the dude sling the rock around. I'm not as
worried right now Dak Prescott, I'm not as worried. Does
he still have those horrific tendencies sometimes where it's like,
well he saw the Green Bay game. Everybody's seen pick
six and all these other interceptions and even in the
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Steeler win somehow last year he was throwing interceptions.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
So it's like, but for every bad throw that Dak has,
he'll make up for it down the line.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
You got to have that consistency and sometimes shows up,
you know.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
The I'm a firm belation.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
I mean, we're not back there obviously, we're just speaking
as fans and for us, you know, but you know,
I just think that this will define him this year.
I mean, this is it for me as far as
for him this year. Ten buddy, Yeah, he can't have
these flashes of greatness and then make some But I
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mean you're gonna screw up.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
I mean it happens.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Everybody does, every elite quarterback.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
But it's when when do you fuck up? When do
you not?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, so you if you throw, if you remember correctly,
against the Philadelphia Eagles that's too long ago. He threw
like a bad bat and ball picks it. I was like,
oh boy, like are the wheels going to fall off?
Dak Prescott for a little while, for me, was one
of those guys like even if you've made a mistake,
he didn't get rattled, right. He went to the silo
and he's like, all right, I'm gonna go back out there.
I'm just gonna lead the next drive.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
So that's what you need. You need mental clarity, and
you need them.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Now he's got pickings, which is gonna really have CD.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Right, he has his most effective offense that he's had airways,
you know, through the air on paper, that he's ever had.
So now all that being said, we know what what
are we've talked about already the Cincinnati Bengals no defense,
blah blah blah. Talked a little bit about the linebackers,
a little bit about the defensive end Jesse. Last year
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you said that you talked to or two years ago,
maybe it was you talked to Al Harris when he was.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
On the coaching staff.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Wait, you wait to see Al Harris. You wait to
Al Harris. I'm gonna call him a lion bleep, but
he he only.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
That's what I was alluding to.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
You told us Carson was gonna be like this ball
hawking guy, and I'm like, I'm like, oh man, but
that wasn't Again, that was on Al, not you.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
But now when you look at you know, you got
new money bags, right, You got the Ron Bland getting paid.
God thank god that happened, because I was like, I
almost felt like it was a shot where I was like, wait,
whoa they got ahead of one? Could this be a
turn of the time. You got de Ron Bland, you
got Trayvon Diggs who was turning heads. Now all of
a sudden, it's like everybody's kind of like, yeah, he's
not going to see the field until October, maybe Halloween,
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and all of a sudden he might be suiting up
week one. And then of course you have elamb in
the trade, and you have Revel coming back from injury.
How do you look at this cornerback crew, because you know,
this is a passing league no matter what, and we
of course we want to stop the run, and of
course we want to.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Stuff and get to the quarterback and all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
But we've talked about it at length on this show, specifically,
Brett has harped on this cornerback.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Defensive back is the hardest position to play in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
You don't know which way is up. You have to
figure out, you know, you have to guess most of
the time of where this receiver is going to go.
Do you think that we have the secondary that will fare? Okay,
I don't want to see they're going to be eleating
and take the ball away like they did a couple
of years ago with Deron Blank to pick six record.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Is this a sound defensive back unit this year?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Yes, d Ron Bland is a He's not a superstar.
The Ron Bean is a really good player, right like
Trayvon Diggs. If he comes back and he is like,
I know that he's clear medically, one hundred percent clear medically,
but where is he at confidently?
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Right?
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Like?
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Does he feel like because it's one thing to talk
about feeling confidently, and then I have to go out
there and look across and and and and see Devontae Smith,
that a J. Brown coming at you play out to
play right. So yeah, But to your point, to go
back to a Harper point that Brett we were talking
about earlier, was can you get to the quarterback? Because
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I don't give a damn if you got Darrel Reeves
and and Deon Sanders. But that was my point was
going to be has nighteen minutes to throw the ball.
It won't make a difference.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
That's that.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
That's where I come to that point where you know,
feel how you feel about Micah. But when team offensive
teams opened up their game plan book for the week,
they circled Michael Parsons. They when the team broke the
huddle offensive line like this, where's number eleven?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
There?
Speaker 5 (41:02):
He is all right well, sliding that way right Like
quarterbacks looked at night and was like, oh, there's Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
I know he's coming off.
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Oh he's right over the top of me in the center.
God darn, he's probably about to beat my center. This
ball has to come out fast. So those the type
of things that when when teams are preparing. When quarterbacks
are seeing this, having that elite player out there, it matters.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
It matters in.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Those moments where you really really need it. And so
I think Darron Plants or Darron Blantz really good player.
I think if Trayvon Diggs gets back to what he was,
a really good player. I think Kyrie Elam has trades
of being a really good player. But if they're out
there on the island and it's ebra flus offense and
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they aren't having guys get to the quarterback because I
don't believe that there's one guy that we have up
front that is shore fire by hisself can win a
bunch of one on one matchups.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
That's just my belief.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
You don't have to agree with me, but I saw
the look like when I had Michael Parsons, he was
a surefire bonafe. And this is why, like, like I know,
people like, oh, we're gonna be a better team defense.
This is what stop with that, Okay, stop stop. This
is why they pay those guys that type of money.
Team's going to draft every single year looking for Miles Garrett,
looking for MICHAEH. Parsons, looking for TJ. Watt, looking for
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Oboso looking for Hutchinson. That's why those guys are regarded
the way that they are because they are an.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
App solute solo game wrecord.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
They change the course of the game solo dolo okay,
and the rest of the guys are able to eat
off that. But I think the secondary is fine if
they don't have to cover forever. You know, in this
Matc's offense, you're gonna play a lot of zone covers.
You're gonna play some man, but you're gonna play a
lot of zone covers. You're gonna play some cover three,
that type of stuff where a lot of the guys
are gonna be off looking in at the quarterback trying
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to decipher how these routes are.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Gonna be run. You know that that that that right there.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
You gotta be willing to come up and tackle. You
gotta be a willing participant in a tackling game in
this even Flu's offense. You know Trayvon Diggs for a
long time, he has been one of those guys, you know,
the whole ds Nuts comedy. You know, him not being
able to tackle, not being able to tackle, but unwilling
to participate in tackling. And then when he did the
right thing. A reporter you know, mistakenly called him out
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got offended by it. So to answer the question, yeah,
I'm I'm I'm confident that de Ron Blam will be
a really good player. I'm confident that that that digs,
if mentally right and put together, will be a decent player.
How how will the guys up front get to the
quarterback to allow their jobs to be easier?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
If not?
Speaker 5 (43:33):
If you're if you're playing zone coverage and nobody's getting
to the to the to the quarterback with that front four,
it's gonna be trouble back there.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
Like he said, you could, you could add if they
have all day to pass at any corner in the NFL,
even Dion, you're gonna get You're gonna get beat. It's
you got to get to that quarterback. And I love
our safeties though, I think we got a strong safety room.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Then and Hooker have been staples of this defense for
a while.
Speaker 6 (44:01):
So it's like you would, and they bring it, man,
they'll bring.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
You want You don't want Donovan Wilson covering anybody? Stop?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
No you want?
Speaker 4 (44:12):
Yeah, Wilson's out there.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
You better you better get wan ya out there, Okay,
you better get wan Ya out there to cover guys.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
You don't want Donovan Wilson covering guys.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
You know, Mali Cookers playing zone though, I don't.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Know it helps to a certain extent, but yeah, wandye
trust me, I'm a big fan of Is. I think
that dude's a baller, and I think that you know,
he'll still you'll see the field more this year.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
I think if you're playing zone, you know, that's where
your outside linebackers come in, right, getting under the curl,
getting getting taking those underneath away. And you know we
I didn't really see a lot of that in preseason.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
No, but they didn't show you Ship, Nobody showed. They
didn't show anything up any short. You weren't seeing any
kind of looks on defense, You weren't you sure Ship
won't seeing anything out the offensive playbook. So look, the
Cowboys have talent. Unfortunately, so does the NFC East. Right,
And obviously I don't want to take away some of
your thunder with some of your prediction shows coming up, Jesse,
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because I'm not gonna make you make an Eagles prediction.
But if you look at the Cowboys right now as
a whole, the LAS Vegas over under seven and a
half wins. I saw Cynthia frielan of NFL Network broke
my heart yesterday because I love her personally, but she
broke my heart yesterday with her mathematics and all this
other shit and said that the ceiling was six and
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the floor was four or something like that. I was like, good, lord,
like just based off her metrics. But like, you're looking
at a team now coming in with Dak Prescott healthy
defense is obviously a brand new look.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
The team just literally lost their best player in a trade.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
You know, where they have to get some you know,
they got to get some continuity and some you know,
jealousy unit seven and ten.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Last year, Dak Prescott's hurt most of the year.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Where do you see, what's the ceiling for you and
what's the bottom out for you for the Cowboys in
twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
Yeah, I'm the one thing that's worried me this entire offseason.
And I'm not a gambler. I respect Vegas. They obviously
know something that we don't know. Right, That's why the
lights are on there twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Right.
Speaker 5 (46:17):
They're not losing much and they never came off that seven,
seven and a half, like they just they I'm talking
about from January. They like they never updraft happened, trades happened,
new coach hired, off season happened, like they never like
for nothing. I'm like, Damn, Vegas ain't budget off this number.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
What do they know? What do they know that we
don't know? What are they seeing that we.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
Aren't seeing that they have off that number? And that's
always been concerning to me. Is I'm like, Oh, it's
gonna move right, It's gonna be nine eventually, it's gonna
be ten eventually, like.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Vega's like, nah, nah, we're not moving.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
And so for me, I think ceiling for this team,
like ceiling I'm talking about Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Ceiling is the roof. Ten wins. It's from that too,
ten wins, everything goes right.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
You know, DAK is healthy that they continue in that
trajectory of doing everything right like I like I think
they would offensively and CD is a beast ten ten wins.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
And then the floor seven.
Speaker 5 (47:29):
I'm right there with Vegas between seven and ten. For me,
the floor is seven. The Cowboys had the ninth toughest
schedule in the league. You gotta play on the back end,
and it is that stretch.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
They got to go in that back end.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
Boy, Now, to dispel any magical stuff about Vegas, because
I had a gambling show out here. One handicapper shout
out to Jay Rude. He explained to me what they do.
And all they do is they put the numbers in
a computer and they're going on last year's statistics. They're
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going on you know. And then that's why it stays
a certain way when the season starts. Then they start
the factor and they just put it all on a
computer and whatever comes out comes out. And so a
lot of the seven and they're not moving is based
on last year, right, how many yards per game? How
many points? They don't even do analytics, right, but.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
What did you think that would change considering draft, free
agency train They don't do that yet.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
Man. It's it's it's you know, the then everything changes
as as the season goes. But they're just going on
last year. That's why I think, you know, ten ten
is a reasonable ceiling. You know, ten ten is a
reasonable ceiling because you know, you also have to factor
in the other teams are still going through the same
shit too, right, So We're looking at the back end
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of our schedule going, holy shit, they may be amazing,
they may suck. We don't know. We don't know. So
everything's based on last year's performances, and that's all you
have to go on, right, that's all we have to
go on, because you know, we see it every year.
I mean, we talk about that Saints game, that second
game of the season. We're like, Wow, this is this
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team's amazing. The Saints are tough, and then they shit
to bed.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
So you don't know.
Speaker 6 (49:21):
But I think ten. I think we're all in agreement.
I think ten's a reasonable ceiling.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
I say, if they get like a one weird old
bounce where it's like, you know, me and my father
look at each other like, yeah, no business winning that game,
then maybe there's an eleven and that.
Speaker 6 (49:35):
Could be Game one. It could be against the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
I tell you right now, I'm not gonna make Jesse
make any predictions, but you and I are gonna make
him because I'm sure he's got plenty of coverage coming
up in the next two days. But I'm gonna tell
you right now, Dallas Cowboys are going to go into
Philly and win.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
That game, and I don't know how I just got this.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
I've never been so and look, this could be I
could be on all takes exposed tomorrow, but like I've
never been, so, this is your shot to punch the
champs in the mouth when they're not at full force.
When I say full force, am I saying they're injured
or banged up? I'm saying, like it's week one, anything
can happen. We saw that the Lions, you know, the chief.
Speaker 6 (50:09):
A little, you know what I mean, we win, but
if we're gonna not, if we're gonna pull it up
set it could be game one. But I mean, I
still think the Eagles are gonna pull it out, and
I mean, I'm gonna show some fight and you know,
we'll see some things. But if if I like to,
I like to gamble, and there's no way I would
even touch that game.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I could see, I could see what's it's a game won.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
So it's Tarico and Collinsworth, right, So I can see
Tarico just going out of his mind.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
When Brandon Aubrey sinks one from like fifty.
Speaker 6 (50:41):
Eight, that's you know, that's our secret weapon.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
All we got.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
All they have to do this year This is the
this is the plan of action to score on every drive.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
Yeah, every time, score every drive, every single drive. I
tell you all the time.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
There's not an offensive coordinator in the in the world
has ever written up a play drawing up a play
that wasn't score touchdown, not one every place touched down.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
There's not one O C that's like, yeah, this play
right here, this play.
Speaker 5 (51:13):
If we blocked this play absolutely right, six yard game, No,
don't play, and anyone's bad that every single one of
their plays is to score a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
So I'm telling you fifteen, get in the thirty.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
All you gotta do is to make the midfield, get
to the midfield strike and all of a sudden, Brandon
Aubrey's got wet.
Speaker 6 (51:33):
We'll take the three.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Take the three. We're gonna win a lot of games.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
I remember there was one game back and way back
there we beat the Packers twenty one nothing on seven
Chris boone your field goals.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
So don't tell me it can't happen. Don't tell me
that dream is dead.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
So Jesse Bro, thank you obviously for coming on board
with us as the as the I'm not going to
call you an honor a Jersey boy anymore.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Your Jersey boy.
Speaker 6 (51:57):
Comes on the show, is he reaffirms a lot of
the ship that we.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Say, right it gives us validation because you've obviously played
the game. You're there, you're literally boots on the ground
watching the game. You're you're literally in the studio as
we speak right now.
Speaker 6 (52:15):
I mean are we seeing because like sometimes you'll you'll
see these people the experts online that never played, and
they all have their opinions, and we're always not going
against them on purpose, but they it's like, are we
seeing something they're not, you know what I mean? And
I think we are.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
Well.
Speaker 5 (52:35):
I think a lot of times I don't know some
of the experts or the one that you're talking about.
I do believe that you know, as there is a
fandom in you, so that that that tilts, that tilts
your decision making a little bit right now.
Speaker 6 (52:52):
More cynicism than optimism. It's really hard to always say that,
you know, my mind is Dad's not coming home. Yeah,
he went, he went for cigarettes and he's not.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Trust me, I've been I was left on the porch
many many times, many many years ago.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
I one hundred for saying get it, but I mean, yeah,
I don't know, man. It's this is.
Speaker 5 (53:24):
Being a cowboy, being a Cowboy fan, being associated with him,
being around this organization for the last fifteen sixteen years.
You know, I get a chance to see and witness
and talk to a lot of different people, and it's
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it's difficult at times. It's difficult at times because you
want to see this team win. We all want to
see him win, right for whatever whatever reason you have
fandom bragging rights, I laugh jokingly, but to have half
hot Seriously, you know, when the Cowboys win, I make
more money like I want to. You know, you know
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there's there's monetary reasons that's involved in this, and not
not because I'm gambling, but because you know, ratings are
up from ratings are up, bonuses come in, all that
kind of good stuff. There's there's a multitude of stuff.
But then when you when you sit down and you
look at the facts of the matter, that's where it
becomes a little bit depressing. And you know, we didn't
even talk about it, but like you want to know
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how the people who run this program, this program, this
organization think if you watch the documentary, it's it's playing
his day it's right, hey, Like, this is a business.
This isn't This isn't your normal football running franchise. This
is this is not run by people or a person
that is looking to to make the best decisions for
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the team, right, Like, don't don't confuse the order in
what things are said, owner, president, general manager. Not the
opposite way, right, Not the opposite way, like you know,
and you hear it if you just watch, and it's
like read the tea leaves. You hear it over and
over and over and over and over again. When they
were winning super Bowls. When they were winning super Bowls,
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it wasn't oh yay, we won super Bowls. It was
we still ain't turning the profit, y'all. We got to
turn a profit profit. And that you won the Super
Bowl and it was still front of your mind, your core,
your heart was we gotta make money. And that has
been the driving force behind this thing for a very
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long time. And it hasn't changed. It hasn't changed one bit.
And you know, I'm not saying that shoddy you can't
come in here and change the culture. But I've said
my difference is between culture and way.
Speaker 4 (55:51):
You know what I'm saying. The places that have a way.
It's different than the places that have a culture.
Speaker 5 (55:55):
When you hear about the Ravens way, the Steelers way,
the Patriots way, that's way is a top down situation
and everybody's on one accurt and you have a culture,
you have a small huddle of people trying to come
together as tight as possible to knock out the outside forces. Well,
it's really tough in the forces that you're trying to
knock out is in the same building as you. That's
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what makes it very, very difficult. So you know, I
want to see this team win.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
Yeah, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 6 (56:23):
But just to put it in perspective, and I've been
a fan since nineteen seventy nine, Okay, trick right. We
haven't been to an NFC Championship game in almost in
thirty years, and we're still number two with fourteen appearances. Okay,
and we haven't been in thirty years. The Niners are
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the only ones that have more than us. We haven't
been in thirty years and we're still number two in
the NFC for NFC Championship appearances. That's insanity. That's how
far we've falling. And we still I think we eight
super Bowls and we haven't been in thirty years.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
All right, you're depressed me.
Speaker 6 (57:03):
Okay, that's a cowboy, that's what we were known for.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
So my final thing, Jess, and just because of what
you just hit on with the Joneses.
Speaker 6 (57:12):
Don't glance that over. Don't glance that over that.
Speaker 2 (57:15):
Over about it. It just makes me nuts.
Speaker 6 (57:19):
We just started in the nineties. Man, it's been brutal.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Right. I wasn't there for Jackie Smith. I wasn't there.
I get it. I get it. I wasn't there for
the catch.
Speaker 4 (57:30):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
My father, Listen, my father makes me believe that I
was there. And trust me on that one. But when
my last thing, Jess, just because you touched on.
Speaker 3 (57:38):
It before with the Joneses and the way this team
runs is a business and this is just a hypothetical
me being maybe a little bit more of a fanboy
on this one.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Do you think with the trade of George Pickings to
the Cowboys, where we.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
Were like, well, you know, we were so worried about
that too, and now, oh okay, cool, this is new,
this is different, right, and now you have the trade
Michael Parsons giving us two first round picks. Now well,
we don't know how it's gonna play out, but this
has to be the most different Jerry Jones has ever
been as far as like acquiring talent and then making
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some significant noise with a monster trade, Like do you
think that this is all a turning up the tide?
Speaker 2 (58:21):
I understand all the media tours that he did.
Speaker 5 (58:23):
This is toxic. This is you have no direct what
direction are you going in? Okay, you go get George Pickets,
You're like, oh, okay, this might be all in move.
Then you do nothing else. You do nothing else to
add on to that, Like and then you go you
trade away your best player? Wait, what are we doing here?
We ain't got Joe Pickets. We're going we're going in right? Nah,
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not quite, We're going to trade away our best player.
And then you try to convince it that Kenny Clark
is gonna come in here and be the savior of
the defensive line.
Speaker 4 (58:52):
Like this is the most toxic thing ever. But there's
no direction. There's Look, we don't what's what's the direction
that we're going to? Are we going to win a
Super Bowl? Are we rebuilding? Like? What is happening? Because
you're talking about two first round picks. That's future stuff.
That's twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, right, that's future talk.
So what are we doing here?
Speaker 5 (59:12):
Because because a part of me says you were going
all in then you trade awhay, your best player tells me,
all right, now you're rebuilding? Like that is that is
toxicity at its finest. We don't know what's direction we're
going in. You just got a new head coach, Like
where are we going with this?
Speaker 4 (59:28):
Where? Like where are we going?
Speaker 5 (59:30):
You bring in a thirty year old guy like Kenny
Kenny Clark is on the last leg of his career,
not the front leg, front end of his career. So
that's my thing is is is you got you got
two more years before you got to make a decision.
You got this year, next year, and now you gotta
start really having a conversation about Dak Prescott, right, which
where are we gonna go?
Speaker 1 (59:49):
Like, no, this is this is.
Speaker 5 (59:53):
Toxic as toxic gets, and it's right up, it's right
on par just a different level of toxicity that we seen.
We're two days away from opening the NFL season. No
one can tell me what the identity of the Dallas
Cowboys are.
Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
I agree not yet, at least nobody tell me that
no one can do what no.
Speaker 4 (01:00:18):
One can confidently telling me, tell me what are we
really hanging our hats on? And like what are we
really going to be? Like you know what, I can
stamp this.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
That's gonna work, Brandon are well.
Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
They to address your your your comment. Though I don't
think Jerry changed. I think this was an ego thing
and Jerry Jerry became you know, I'll show you. I
don't care you want to test me. I'll get rid
of them.
Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Yeah, Jerry.
Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
It was more of Jerry's ego Trump.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
And the felt like a felt like an asthma move
from Jimmy.
Speaker 6 (01:00:55):
The agents, the way they operate, they try to get
they they had leverage and and I don't think Jerry
liked it and said bye, I'll put it to you.
I don't think it was like as I'm gonna go
and do something different because what he said in the
press conference didn't make sense because you still offered him
a contract that would have made him the highest paid
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non quarterback. It wasn't as much as Green Bay gave him,
but he was still willing to give that money up.
And then when they wouldn't budge. It became a pissing contest,
and he said, well, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Show you by here we are, so here we are.
Speaker 6 (01:01:31):
I'm I'm not I'm not optimistic as a fan, I
do think it that are we may be able. Now
that it's under, it's gone. There's nothing else we could do.
We can't go back, and and it's just you know,
it's a finality. It's like, all right, now, let's just
start getting ready for the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
So you know, let's get let's start getting ready.
Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
Let's be honest. If he didn't trade him, it's he
probably he probably still wouldn't have been signed. There's some
type of be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Even if he didn't sign, da excuse me, Michael Parsons.
Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
I highly highly, highly highly doubt Michael was gonna miss
a game.
Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
That's just my personal opinion.
Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
It's a lot of that's that's a lot of doray
me to pass up when you're sitting out, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Like Michael wasn't gonna miss a game. I just that's
just my personal opinion.
Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
I think he was gonna take it up to the last,
very last moment and then go all right, I'll play
on the tag, but you know, I'm gonna make life
a living hell all off season next year for you,
and then you know we'll do this song and dance again.
Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
But I just find it hard to believe that Michaeh
wasn't going to play and and it wasn't.
Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
Yeah, I was hoping he would do what Dak did
and and bet on himself and play on the tag.
Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
I think, these guys, are you know what this is?
This is the age gap, I think, and it's just
me talking out loud. I just think this is the
age gap of a of a man like Dak who's
over thirty to a a young man in Michael Parsons
who's got to get his right now.
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
So that's how I leave that one.
Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
But anyway, Jesse Man, thank you so much once again
for joining us on the Jersey Boys podcast. I know
every year we go into this, we're all jazzed up,
we're gonna talk, and then we talked to Jesse and
we get brought down.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
A couple of pegs and that's not the reality of it.
It's a reality check.
Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
And we talked to Jesse Holly because he's right there,
he's need debitted, So thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
I'm my dudes man anytime, anywhere, any plays, I got you.
Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
And and maybe we'll try to revisit this around Thanksgiving.
We'll jump on a Jersey Boys podcast and Thanksgiving and
then we'll figure out where we're at at that point,
because as of right now, nobody has a clue.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
So we'll see what happens or Dave starts show Jesse.
Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Holly and of course, oh we're not doing our picks.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Told you that we're going in. I'm not gonna make
Jesse do it because he might be doing it.
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Different.
Speaker 6 (01:04:01):
I'll be in Dallas September nineteenth through the twentieth if
you want to come down. I'll be at Hyaenas Comedy Club.
Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Now, you're not going to roast me in the front roll.
Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, he's not. He's not a crowd crowd guy.
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Up there. Will Smith you you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
They got charity, Jesse, I will Sift.
Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
I'll stay secured. Those comedy club they don't. They ain't
bigger than me.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So you worried about that, Jesse, give it to me.
Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Cowboys, Yeah, Cowboys, Eagle start the night football.
Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
I got the Eagles winning twenty eight twelve, twenty eight
twelve four field goals.
Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
That you that's your offensive player right there, right man,
it is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
It is Bratt. What do you got.
Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
I think it'll be a little closer, but I think
I got us losing like twenty seven eighteen.
Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Okay, all right, Well, since they're taking that uh and
saying that we have no freaking chance, I'm gonna be
the one and optimisting maybe a little slight delusion and
say the Cowboys win this thing thirty one thirty on
the last second.
Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Okay, thirty one thirty. So that's it. I'm going I'm
going for pro man.
Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
This is Dak.
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Dak. You're my guy, Dak, You're my guy, Dude. Get
the shit done, all right, get it done.
Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
So thank you guys for joining us. We'll see you
guys next time. Go follow Jesse mister fourth and long
on Twitter. He's one of the most active members of
Twitter I've ever seen, and it's awesome. He will dude,
you know what's the best part, Jesse?
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Real quick? What you could wake up and say, you know,
thank you God. People will be like, was it Micah?
Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Yeah, I'm like what.
Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
Internet, It's crazy man. But yeah, follow me at mister
fourth DeLong. Let me take a deep breath. Can I
tell you everywhere that I'm at? Follow me DLS Cowboys Podcast,
follow me watch my show on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Hanging with the Boys. Watch me on Thursdays. I'm doing
College Football Kickoff on Amazon fund Yeah, I'm outside, I'm outside,
Dave uh Follow me Unfiltered with Jesse Holly, also believe
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in the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Is there anything else that I'm missing? I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
I would hate to be your tax guy. That's all
I'm saying. Last year seventeen.
Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Yeah, real, real, I gotta I gotta ring you no
W two's No ten ninety nine and all that, all
that nonsense all over.
Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Oh hell yeah, all right, ladies and gentlemen, let's go Cowboys.
Only one of us is picking, and we'll get Keith's
pick next week after they win lose.
Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
So hey, let's just starny soprano and you're listening to
Jersey Boys Podcast with your host Dave stur Shiw and
the Urge Boys. I mean, I can give a ship
about the Cowboys with New Jersey. These guys got bulls
being cowboys fans in Jersey anyways enjoy well, whatever,