The 2025 Dallas Cowboys Training Camp Report

The Dallas Cowboys are OFFICIALLY BACK! Today was their first practice of the 2025 Training Camp and The Jersey Boyz Podcast is BACK to give some insight on it! Dave Sturchio, Bret Ernst and Keith Ernst give their shock cuts as to who may be left in the dust after the preseason plays out. How much pressure is on Dak Prescott? Do we have enough defense? The Linebacker position is scaring Keith again and Bret thinks that the Cowboys will have some tough choices to make when cutting down their WR room. All this and much more!! #JerseyBoyzPodcast #Podcast #DallasCowboys #TrainingCamp

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, let's just starny soprano and you're listening to Jersey
Boys Podcast with your host Dave Sturshiw and the Urgeboys.
I mean, I can give a shit, but the Cowboys
with New Jersey. These guys got bulls being cowboys fangin Jersey. Anyways, enjoy, Well, whatever.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
What's going on Cowboys Nation?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
It is time.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
It is no more mini camps, no more no more drafts,
no more free agency, none of that crap. It is
time for the twenty twenty five training camp. The Jersey
Boys Podcast is back here on the Chop Sports Network
and of course coming to you live from the Richard
Lucas Chevrolet and Super Studio. That's where I'm at right now.
But of course my co host Brett and Keith Urns. Brett,

(00:54):
how are we doing? Looks like we got a new member.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Who you got over there?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, we got Murphy. He's a new member of the
Jersey Boys. Uh he's astray. We found him.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh really yeah, Oh that's.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
That's a bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
He was wearing this. Oh see, how to take him in.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
He's not a bitch. If he was wearing that.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
You turned him into him by putting the colors on
him anyway, Keith, how are we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Bro?

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Good good?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm sorry, man, we didn't mean to bother you with
a podcast today. I'm glad you got I'm glad you
got your little emblem up there now.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
No, it's it's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
He's gonna hate me right now because I am a
little starching to the umph degree. As the Dallas Cowboys
start their training camp today, videos pictures all this ship.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Before you start, before you start, what I want to
see and all I want to see is the cut.
If we can cut something together of your reactions last
year at the end of the season. Are your reactions now,
That's what I want to see.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
The It's what that line where they just when you
think you're out, they pull you back in.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's exactly what.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Ye brother, I'm done with this for years. I'm done.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I'm just called I got it. I got admit a
little optimist, I say. I said, they're pulling me in.
That's what I told Keith too. I'm like, dude, you
know the Pickens pick was great.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
We we recruited some uh drafted some running backs. Oh
line looks hefty. We haven't signed Micah. We got a
lot to talk about. Yeah, I'm starting to get caught
up in it, and then I make the mistake of
watching old like childhood cowboy.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Games, the Glory Years.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Well, no, for us, it wasn't the Danny White years wasn't.
But it just starts to rekindle that. It's almost like
when it's you smell the fireplace and it reminds you
of Christmas, and then you start, you know what I mean,
like you start to get a little excited even though
you know there's gonna be no give so under the
tree and uh yeah, but look we'll start off.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Obviously, camp started today.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
There was an intro press conference today that was very
interesting because Jerry just had verbal diarrhea again.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
And that's not news.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
So any Dallas Cowboys fans who are new here, you know,
this is not breaking news that Jerry Jones is just
you know, spitting off at the mouth. The big question
that was raised was, you know, to Schottenheimer, how do
you how do you get this, how do you get
Micah going, you know, without the contract thing? And he
said he's a leader, he's stepped up, he's here for
he's here for the team. Blah blah blah, Jerry Jones,

(03:39):
in typical Jerry fashion, comes out and says, well, he's like, well,
Micah wasn't with us for five games last year.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
He was hurt.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's like, all right, I get it going on.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
So I don't know, I think Jerry Jones is he's
once again doing the same thing.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
He's just kind of prolonging and dragging this out.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I don't know how far into the.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Pre oh wait search I saw that. I also like
the digs he took at digs at digs. Yes, you know,
uh it is a different Jerry in a sense where
he kind of criticized as opposed to putting on those glasses,
those rose colored glasses.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
You know what I mean, Yeah, to an extent.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
But the digs thing was just an explanation as to why,
like he's like, you know, you guys want me to
all jump all over the Mica contract, but I went
ahead and re signed Trayvon Diggs and Tarren Steele early,
and look how that's panned out, right, So that was
literally just I'm like, oh god, you know, like and
right now Trayvon Diggs does start along with our boy
to Marion Overshan on the pup you know, so they

(04:43):
won't be active in the in the first at least
the first round of camp. And I don't think at all,
to be honest with you, just a lot of side work.
But you know, there's a lot of things to still
address on this team. We talked about the draft, we
talked about the free agency, we talked about everything they've done.
But yeah, today was camp day one and there's a
lot of reports coming out. I do want to start

(05:04):
with what I think is the most important thing here,
and there's something that we've been harping on for five
years as a podcast now and that's Dak Prescott.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Right.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
It's coming off an injury. He tore his hamstring off
the bowl in last year. You know it was it
was just kind of catastrophic, and you saw the clips saying,
you know, we fucking suck, you know, like there was
a lot.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Of bad vibes.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
So, Keith, you're opening reactions to Dak Prescott, or not reactions,
but more or less your expectations for Dak Prescott heading
into the twenty five campaign.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
And then I meet on the bone. What's that from?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I have no idea, I know, I just to meet
on the bone.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Thing was funny.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I know what it's from, but we can't say it.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
You could say who said it was it?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Two Live Crew?

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, okay, so.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
Anyways, yeah, he tore the meat off the bone. But
here's the thing with Dak and all that, and I
brought this up into text to me. Still, his best
season was his rookie season, when he had a quarterback
behind him that could replace him at any time.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Okay, and that injury.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Really yeah it was Romo. I mean, you're right, I'm
sorry I should have said that. I mean, if you're
a Cowboy fan, you should know that. But thank you, Dave.
But yeah, it was Tony Romo that could have came
off injury and came in at any time. And Dak
played his ass off almost flawless football. If you remember,
he almost had a record for not having any turnovers

(06:35):
at all or something or was an interception, that doesn't matter.
He just played his ass off. Now there's a new
guy in town named Milton, and this dude, okay, who
I liked very much, and I was very excited we
got him. I have receipts of people who weren't, but
I was. I was pretty to get him. I was

(06:56):
pretty excited and and I basically.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's like Jerry Jones. He takes his digs.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
All I'm saying. All I'm saying, I might be I
might be wrong. I might be wrong. He might not
be you know, the guy I think he is. But
you know, just having that guy behind him, I think
will help him, will help push Dak and I think
that he will have smarter decisions and he has the
talent to do that with he doesn't have to what
what should I say? Overperform? Just do what you gotta do.

(07:28):
You have the talent around you. Don't be stupid just
like you did in twenty sixteen. You're a good quarterback,
You're not an elite quarterback. You can't win games on
your own. You need to help, which is a big
It's not. That's not a knock either, I'm not. That's not.
I mean, you're an NFL.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Based off the first nine years of his career.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah, I mean you just yeah you you you got
what you need. Not any quarterback can do. Can be
a good quarterback and go in the NFL and do
what Dak is going to do, can do this year
or what he did in two thousands sixteen. That's an accomplishment.
I'm not putting him down, but my point is is
that he has someone behind him similar to a Romo,
and I expect Dak to have a good season. And

(08:10):
I even put it, and I wasn't joking with the
m v P. I would throw money, a little money
on that, and I would I wouldn't have after the end,
because I didn't think we were getting a quarterback if
he was rolling in just starting with you know what's
his name, with Cooper Rush behind him. I know we
got rid of him, but I'm just saying, yea anyway,

(08:32):
That's what I think to add.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
The keys point though, you know, my critique of Dak
is game managing sometimes, like you know, just getting those
simple first downs over complicating things. But when I was
looking up Danny White, remember I sent you guys the quarterbacks,
Dak's up there with fourth quarter comebacks. So sometimes if

(08:56):
there are players that play better with the pressure as
opposed to just not having it, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I was surprised at how many fourth quarter comebacks he had.
Uh so maybe the pressure will will help him, you know,
who knows.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
So some videos have surfaced already today from training camp
and obviously Joe Milton is there, right, and the dude
is he's got a cannon like first of all, like
the guy like dropped back to pass at his own
fifteen and I think he put one on a rope
to the opposite forty Like I was like, dude, what
the fuck? And of course, like you to your point, Keith,

(09:34):
I think that's a very very big thing to have
somebody that will put the pressure on and keep the
heat on, not saying like hey, man coming for your job.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's just like, hey, there's competence behind you.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Now.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
There wasn't like I mean, I don't want to say
competence because Cooper Rush did perform.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
Right, but everybody knew he wasn't gonna be right.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
And you look at a guy like Joe Milton, who
is very raw right, and he's very like, uh, you know,
if I put a Nate character to like Willy Beaman esque,
the dude can move, he can throw. He's a little raw,
rough around the edges, but he can go on there
and command an offense. And I think for Dak Prescott
this year, I think that lights a fire under his ass.

(10:12):
Dak doesn't like taking reps off in training, camp, right,
so like he's gonna have to really work this year,
and just based off a couple of videos. Again, it's
day one, so we can't get too crazy, but just historically,
every time Dak Prescott has come off a catastrophic injury,
he's absolutely balled out.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
And I know this is gonna sound.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
I don't know how ridiculous this sounds, but dude just
had another kid. His life is kind of in cruise
control now, right, Like you got your family set, you
got your mansion being built, you got all this shit.
Now you can focus on football. And I think for
me that's a big thing. He's a big mental health advocate.
He's gone through a lot as a person, but now

(10:55):
you've given him his best weapons he's ever had as
a cowboy.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
I understand he had a.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Paper, yes on paper, but he had des Bryant and
a MARII Cooper. Right, Dez was on the chail end
of his career. Amari Cooper was you know, had the
dropsies sometimes. But now if you look at this team assembled.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
I think I think I think, uh, I'm sorry, I
mean to cut you off, but I think a Mari
came after De's left, after Dez left us.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
So there was a Mary Cooper and Cede Lamb. That's there,
you go.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
That's so what I'm saying is they had competent he
had had decent weapons. But now Ryan Clark goes on
ESPN today, and again I don't really take anything for
what they say, but like Ryan Clark went out there
and said, outside of t Higgins and Jamar Chase, the
next best duo in the league, and it's not close,

(11:47):
is going to be Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens perhaps
on paper.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Now that that's that's because what we're talking about now,
we're we're doing speculative and tangibles with Dak right, Well,
maybe the pressure will help, but if we're going on paper,
what this is going to add to have a solid
number two, a deep threat because even though CDs a
ball are to me, he wasn't like a Dez Bryant

(12:12):
or Michael Irvin just get up and get the ball,
you know, Yeah, he's not built like that. Pickens is, Yeah,
and you know there are some number ones that need
a solid number two in order for them to be
a number one. Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Absolutely makes sense because it takes we basically we have.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Two ones on paper, which is gonna help.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
And and to be honest with you, just based off
of what I watched today from all the Cowboys coverage
out there today, there's a lot of packages where they're
lining up on the same side of the field and see,
Lamb is your slot receiver right, so like and then
on the other side you might have a Brooks or
you know, a Floorinois or whatever. But like what I'm
saying is there's a lot of damage they can do
when they're on the field on the same side of

(12:57):
the field. And just based off of reports today, Brian
Schottenheimer called in a complete offense and about ninety percent
of the plays there was present that motion.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
We haven't seen that in a very very very long time.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
That consistent at least, you know, we saw it within
Mike McCarthy system a little bit. Kellen Moore is a
little bit, but Schottenheimer likes to try to confuse.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
You a little bit.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
And I think when you have two guys like that
and then you sprinkle in like a Cavante Turpin with
his speed, there's a lot of speed on this offense.
And I know we're not touching on the running back yet,
but well, that's.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
A that's a big thing. Starch. So you know we
have to have in order for this to work and
be balanced. I mean this is you know, Little League
one oh one, But you need a strong running game,
you need you need that threat.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
And that's the keys point when he said that the
best season he's seen DAK play, he had a guy
named Ezekiel Elliott when almost MVP.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Were You also gotta look at the plays they were calling.
It wasn't complicated, No, it wasn't. It was and that's
why they dubbed them dinkin Dak.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Remember it was just a lot of underneath shit, a
lot of crossing patterns underneath the drag routes.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Nothing too over the top.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
You didn't have to worry about shit like that, but
kind of switching gears into the running back room.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Right and he ran too, by the way, and he did.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
And I think, and again, I think there's a misconception
right now where because his injuries, his bigger injuries have
all been lower body. Right when he snapped his ankle
against the Giants, he tore his hamstring last year, it's
all lower body. I think there's a conception, and there's
a consensus in the league right now, and people studying
Dak Prescott tape that they think that the running option

(14:35):
is just gone.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I don't feel that way.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
I feel like if you're going to bulk up and
you're going to try to be a better form of athlete,
the modern day quarterback guys and you guys can attest
to this based off of all the old school stuff
you guys used to watch back in the day.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Every quarterback now in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Has to have the ability to get outside the pocket
and make a play on the run.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Every quarterback because if you can't do it, that's great.
On the run Rodgers do that.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Ship Last year he was just he was a shell
of himself because he couldn't get outside the tackles.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
So, I mean, it depends what you mean by that.
I get what you're saying, but.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I mean I'm not talking about calling quarterback draws. I'm
talking about right.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
I mean, no, I'm saying he can't get outside, but
I'm just saying he But what Brett was saying, how
he was, how he ran, that's that's that might be
pretty much. Come on, like his rookie year, I mean,
he'd have he remember that one run out against Washington.
I think it was his second or third year where
Josh Normany he stimmed the ship out of him. He
ran like eighty yards that that ship's gone, bro, it's gone.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Well again, maybe it's not, you know what I mean,
who are we saying? You know so like I seen it.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
I mean, you look how it was last week he
even said he even said that there's a big Wasn't
there something that said don't run? They don't want Nobody
wanted him running because of his just in case he
got injured. Remember that, wasn't there a signed at they
said at training camp or practice?

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Well maybe last year last year, yeah, yeah, last year.
I think this is a whole different regime. I think
the coaching matters big time. I know there's a lot
of will even.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
Get outside the pocket. I mean Matt Stafford can get
outside the jar, can get outside the pocket.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Well that's what I'm saying, Like he can do that,
but he's not.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
He's not running like he used to like what we
were to.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
He can't pass on the run too though. He I
missed Dink and Dak. I think a Dink and Dak
type quarterback is what we need. Man and and Look,
you know Fergie didn't have obviously didn't he get hurt.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Uh, he was banged up a little bit. He had
he had a concussion for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, but he you know that one tight end Stevenson,
what's his name, John John Stevens. Yeah, that guy. Is
he hurt again?

Speaker 5 (16:40):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I think he was hurt last year. I don't know
about now. I haven't seen.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Something written that they they did. I saw a Dallas
Calie article who they thought would make the team, who wouldn't,
and who's on pop and he was on it. Maybe
they were speculating he was gonna be on it, Which.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
Is nice that type of guy to where from in
with a with a two tight end cent you got
a Pickens and and uh CD, and then you get
a big body tight end that could get up.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
And you got to you gotta give a little bit,
a little bit extra to shoemaker like you.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
He's gonna have to. He's gonna have to step up
this year.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
And I think that this is a big make or
break year for the tight end position all together for
the Cowboys, because we really like there's nobody that throws
a better seam route than Dak like down the middle
of the field to the tight end.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
If we get production at a.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Ferguson like, well, you know, there's gonna be a lot
of points to be scoring. The thing Dallas has never
lacked talent. Our problem is we've had like four exceptional
players and then like nine average to make up for
those exceptional. And you know, you you're you need everybody

(17:53):
to be you want to have those exceptional players. But
what makes those exceptional players is when the average players
they step up their game.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
And and it just.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Seemed like, you know, we had great corners, linebackers were dead,
one great rusher you know, uh n rusher, interior dead,
above average quarterback, one great receiver, you know what I mean,
and then everything else.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
But but I think that's every team in the NFL, right,
you know what I mean, Like, I don't think there's
a team that has like just the solid everybody around
is just so good, you know.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
But what I'm saying is do.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
The good players make the average play above average? And
a lot of that has to do with coaching, you know,
because you see teams like Kansas City, I mean, you
know they got no namers stepping up, uh uh you know,
you you you need that, and who knows Schottenheimer if
you can bring that to the table.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
I meant it just seems like it's just the energy
is different higher, you know, a little different. There's a
little bit of an extra pep in the Step Today
training camp. And I'm just like, yeah, is it like
everybody's just excited to be back, Like, are we gonna
get into the dog days of summer mid August where
people are just starting to slouch, you know, like from
what I see and from and I told you guys

(19:11):
this via text and maybe even the last show we did,
you know, I'm kind of I'm kind of bought into
at least the philosophies of Brian Schottenneimer. How he's gonna
coach in real time that remains to be seen. Is
he gonna, you know, be a screw up in time
management like McCarthy was. Nobody knows, but like, just based
off the vibe and the aura that this dude is
like giving off, I'm kind of like bullish on him

(19:33):
right now. I'm really like very excited to have a
new face. That's not like when you bring in Mike McCarthy,
what does he do? Hey, look, got a ring here.
You know, I've done this before. I know what it
takes to get to a ring. Then you have ten
years of Garrett where it was like just complacency, average, subpar,
had a couple really good seasons where we thought it

(19:54):
could have been over the hump, but it wasn't. Before
him was a shmortgage board. It was the face, it
was the Phillips of the world. It was a you know,
chan Gaily, Dave Campo, Bill Parcells was sprinkled in.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
It just feels like Schottenheimer is a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Of a player's coach, and he just he gives a ship.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
I don't know if that makes sense, but he he
cares about his players, and I don't know. Again, this
is just a vibe I'm getting based off of press conferences,
and of course you can't you can't judge anything until
they're on the field.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
I'm just I know, Keith, this is just like Dinney's
little starch in his ass off right now.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, starch, go ahead, Keith, you want to say something, No.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
Dude, I haven't have problems. I have problems. I foresee
things and normally they come true.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Okay, so what's your problem? What is the something that
something I learned?

Speaker 5 (20:42):
I just see a starch text saying, this stupid motherfucker,
Who the fuck does he think he is? Who calls
a play like that? Get rid of him. He's a
That's what I see in the future. I mean, I
get it, emotions take us. But I just think it's
funny just hearing that. And I know what I'm gonna see.
I just know.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I just know well, I mean, look, we're not going
to win every game.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
And I just think it's funny.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Like you, I also noticed a difference, and I could
translate this to comedy a little, where younger, the younger
generation has a different mindset, whereas the older coaches. The
old school mentality is I'm a man, I'm going to work.

(21:26):
I need to do my job regardless, right uh, And
and the older coaches are more like, look, you're a professional,
be a professional, and they're assuming that. But when you
get a younger or younger type coach in there that
can kind of relate or motivate younger guys. There, it's

(21:46):
a difference now with with younger players. You know, it's
the same thing with comics. It's like you know, you
got to get them prepared. You got to let them
know that there there's not as much mentoring, if that
makes sense that.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
The so for for example, you know, with your comedy,
like when you walk into uh, you know, the any
random club and you're the headliner, right if the guys
before you are the old heads, and there's a difference
of how you would interact with those guys that you
would overreact with like a Paul Versey or somebody younger,
where it's like, now you could just kind of be

(22:24):
yourself because they're.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
With you there.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
They the older The older guys come prepared, they uh
you know, they they they just show up and they're professional,
where like some of the younger guys they they're like, hey,
you know, they're gonna wing it a little or you know,
whereas you got to tell them no and and it's
simple little things like when I work with younger comics,
I'll tell them, hey, don't do this, don't ask questions

(22:48):
and pull or you know, stay in the pocket more,
don't you know. There there's advice you can give, but
it's just those little adjustments because the talent is there, right,
you know, but you do need the mentoring there there
are still tricks and a lot of the older coaches
I think maybe assume that these guys know that. Sure.

(23:11):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, that makes sense. I pick I'm picking up what
you're saying here.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
But because when you're looking at the new college kids
coming in, especially with the NIL I mean, you know.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
These kids are all about Some of these kids are
making more than guys on the lower end of the
NFL salaries.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, And and they're also looking at the Instagram, the podcasts,
like everything that has nothing to do with what to
do on the field.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah, And you would hope, you would hope that there's
some kind of culture change. I know that they speak
on that a lot in the in the Cowboys world,
how the culture has always just been like you know, hey,
you're America's team.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Hey, the spotlight's always on you.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
You know, it's just always like in your face. But
I think now I think it's changed. I mean, think
about the longest tenured Cowboy on this roster. It's Dak Prescott, guy.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
On the roster.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
That's insane to me, you know, like that only eight
years right, well it's his tenth year, but like, no
is it?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I mean, is he got it drafted twenty sixteen, so
it's not n ninth season. But what I'm saying is
there is no more Zach Martin to fire the guys up.
There's no more DeMarcus Lawrence, There's no more of these
older guys that are just like Tyron Smith, all these guys.
Now you have a very young Cowboys team where your
leaders have to be at least on the offensive side

(24:30):
of the ball, attack Prescott, and all of a sudden
you're looking at Michael Parsons, who's in his mid twenties,
as the leader.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
He has to be.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Right, and I think that he wants that. I think
he wanted that role.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Like when when when all that stuff started the surface
about DeMarcus Lawrence and is saying like, oh, I'll never
you know, I'm never gonna win over there, blah blah blah,
Like everybody was just kind of like all right, you
know bet, you know, like okay, dude, like you're gone,
It's it's my time now, and you know, we're just
days away, in my opinion, we're days away from Michael
Parsons being the highest paid football play or non quarterback

(25:01):
in history. That's what I think is gonna happen, whether
you like it or not, whether you think it hampers
the salary cap or not, whatever.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
It is, what it is.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Could you imagine how good our defense would be without injuries.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Look at I mean, look at these.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
And they're all at some point they will I mean,
barring knock on wood injuries prior to their getting back.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
But we will live in a world.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
You would think with Deron Bland digs the corners that
we have the secondary. Then you have Overshawn, then you
have Micah, then you have the opposite side of the
defensive end of the ball, where we brought back Dante Fowler,
who had an amazing play today today there was also
a screen pass developed that Dak Prescott dropped back to

(25:47):
pass for a screen pass and Marshawn Neelan dropped back
into coverage unannounced. Dak didn't see him and Marshaon Neelan
gets a pick, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
So like, these guys.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Are going to be flying around the ball. I truly
believe that. And again we're talking about the defensive side
of the ball. We have Matt Eberflus has the new
defensive coordinator. That dude was a good defensive coordinator before
he became.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
A head coach.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Some guys just don't have it as far as a
head coach role.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
It's still right. I mean, we could get excited all
we want, but.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
Well that's the you know, we don't know. He might
get another shot toob flus.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, I mean if he if he the defense balls out.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
But what I'm thinking is, you know, Mazzie Smith also
came into camp a lot lighter, right, he knows his time,
like the jury has been out on him all of
a sudden, We're like, this dude is just not the
one tech de tackle that we need, right and now
he's being given the role of not only one tech
but also three. And and they have Osa who just
resigned for his deal. So you do have a decent

(26:44):
in tier plus the guys they drafted, plus everybody on
the outside.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
How is how is that decent? What do you mean,
Matt Mazzie Smith hasn't done shit? Like that's not no.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
He hasn't.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
But what I'm saying because is doing good, But getting
excited about Mazzi doesn't make any sense to me. The
guy hasn't done anything. He's been fucking awful. He had
maybe one or two games good last year. I'm not
excited about that. I'm not as giddy and excited as
you and my brother about I'm only I'm.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Getting me giddy about Mazi.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
I'm only excited that he showed up looking like the
best he's looked.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Oh that's great. Good he can get a fucking cover
of Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. Good for him.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
He's not listening, he's not fucking don Terry Poe. Okay,
like he's a little bit better. Like I think he's
gonna be a little bit better. And the ceiling is
a little higher. It ain't ouver yet. The guy's fucking
got drafted two years ago. Everybody calmed down two years ago? Whatever,
I mean, what, what do you He's.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
Not years ago? We know I honestly, I bet. Well,
here's my thing. I love that I said it.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I said that the jury's out. Everybody thinks he stinks.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
This is he pretty much sad stinks.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
I'm not saying stinks. I'm just saying I'm not excited
about him.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, now what he's saying, he's still a concern. Of course,
if you can't in the NFL, forget it. It's still
a concern.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
And uh.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
The Cowboys also addressed another defensive end today. They signed
Justin Houston from the from the lines. I believe his
last team was Uh so it's more defensive end depth.
You have Solomon Thomas who's going to be clogg in
the middle as well, big body.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
So look, if they can get it right.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Guy, my guy, this is the problem and we're not
we have the same problem as last year. Are linebackers
and we're not talking about it or just not. I
mean we should talk about that. I know our defensive ends.
I know we can rush from the side. I fucking
know that already. I know. Oh, so he can do
what he can do on the D line. Our linebackers.

(28:47):
That's what I have to see. And the only one
I'm excited for that's healthy is luisfoll. That's it.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
And you would think you would be taking in a
very big step. He has he has to.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Yeah, he played well, he got better last year. We
don't have overshown the not signing Kendrick's back, which I
don't understand. Kenneth Murray is not the guy is one
of the one of the worst.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Well, first of all, it's K nine, that's his nickname,
So thank you.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
K nine was one of the worst at stopping the
run last year. I think he's on his third team
now right.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Well, again, it's maybe you can agree or disagree with me,
but like sometimes it's just fit.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Sometimes I don't agree with that. You could put ray
Lewis on any fucking team and he's gonna kill somebody.
I mean, this guy, I mean, he's literally I mean
this guy. I meant, you know, it's it's it's just
when we talked about PFF and where they ranked him
at stopping the run, I know he was, like understand

(29:47):
when he when somebody was the worst linebacker stopping the run,
one of the worst in the NFL, and that was
like our Achilles heel last year. Oh let's go get
that guy as a free agent.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Listen, you're not wrong in your assessment based off of
PFF's rankings.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
And everything else.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
And I get all that, and they're the ones that
are probably touted the most as far as having decent
grades for everybody and making sure that you know and
take everything.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
I'm so reluctant to give into this defense right now,
and I am excited to I am excited about the
defensive coordinator, but I'm just I can't after what happened
last year, those games where we were getting that that
I've never experienced defenses doing that since what Nolan's maybe
that was a few years ago, but this was still

(30:35):
they were at a record rate getting lit up. And
my call is is the second week of the season,
when the Saints trounced US Camara, everyone anyone.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
That the Sts never scored a touchdown again.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Touchdown again, And I'm us afterwards going, hey, well, let's
give them their kudos. They're good the Saints, They're that
team may make it all the way through games.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
This year.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
By the way, I thought our defense was good.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Well talk about receipts when I saw the problems in
our offense, and I mean the defense was obvious, yeah,
but I meant that's I mean, we couldn't move the
chains man, we couldn't get drives.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Defense was awful, defense was was was terrible or on
our linebackers sucked. Everyone ran against us. And I'm afraid
that's gonna happen again. And I don't see an improvement.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
In the defense for that. I want to say that
this year the Cowboys offense can put up a little
bit more of a better game per game right than
they did last year with a healthy I'm just speculating
off the what I've seen Prescott do right off an injury,

(31:46):
what I've seen out of Ceedee Lamb, who was a
top three receiver in football, and then you paired him
with a really really, really really good number two technically,
but he's another number one. I feel like the Cowboys
are going to be able to put up points at
a at a nice large clip. So maybe just maybe
that takes a little bit of pressure off the defense.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Like I know this team is gonna win games ten
to three, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
I don't think we didn't score a touchdown last year
was against Detroit.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I think, yeah, we got the shit kicked out of
us from Detroit. Like which at Sanborn right, the middle
linebacker we took, Yeah, another unproven that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
That's the thing. I meant we might have someone hitting it.
I'm saying. If we're rolling with the same linebackers we
had last year plus Kendrick, not Kendrick, I'm sorry, Kenneth
K nine, We're in trouble. That's all well, I mean,
we could get Kendrick's back. Now, remember when Kendricks when
Kendricks Kendricks was injured a lot last year to a
few games, but every game he was in there. Man,

(32:48):
he that guy's a Baller'd be great to get him back.
But I meant as far as far as that goes now.
But I did see an undrafted free agent we got
as a converted from say did a linebacker. He's like,
he's like six four two twenty five. I can't remember
his name now, white dude, but he converted in college

(33:08):
and apparently he's he's pretty damn good. So maybe somebody
like that is going to come in or will have.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Uhh, what are your feelings? What what are your expectations
of one?

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Damon Clark Covon the gavone needs to go, Bro, he
needs to go. And and what pisses me off is, Oh,
he's doing great, and he's doing great in this mini camp.
He's doing yeah, because there's no packs. He shooting the gat. Fine.
I want to they need to hit in this in
order to make a good evaluation of players. They need
to hit, and they need to put him in preseason games.

(33:43):
That's the best way to see it.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I they do that this year, I hope if they,
If they if they're playing our guys in the second
game and the third game like the rest of the league,
Uh to.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Me, No, Look, you know I all seasons.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
A big preseason is a big deal.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
I think this year preseason is very very important for
the Cowboys because of the fact that there's so much unknown, right,
and like there's so much that there's new coaching.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
They got to work out their kinks too, right.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
They have to treat every preseason game like it's Week
one against the Eagles. They have to, right, They have
a scheduled practice against the Rams in like two weeks, right,
So like things are things are going to be moving
fast for this Cowboys team.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
But it's the depth that we keep doing that.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
So like, for instance, you know, they brought in elam
for a seventh round draft pick.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
We traded for him from Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
Everybody seems to love this kid, right, And I'm like, well,
the last time I saw that dude, he was getting
like picked on by my homes, you know what i mean.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
So it's like you're looking.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Around, like really that guy, but like they they see
something in him, right, So like I'm gonna have to
see a lot of these new up and coming guys
that you draft in the fourth, fifth, sixth round, even
the seventh round. When these guys are so you know
that they're they're their whole stuffers, you know what I mean?
That that's all there, that's all the role is supposed
to be, right, is just to be there stuffed the

(35:00):
hole and then let the linebackers do their jobs. Now
which linebackers are going to do the jobs, that's another story,
because we really don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
You know what's crazy too, And I know it's going
to sound nuts, but we've all played. People keep people
out of preseason to prevent injury, but if they're not
playing in preseason, it sometimes causes injuries in this season.
And you know, you get your dangs, you do it,
but you just play through it. And you know that

(35:29):
was what was going on with us. Is our fourth
fifth game, you're starting to get a rhythm when we
should be getting that in our second or third game. Well,
guards of our guys aren't playing in preseason.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Keith, do you think both of you guys, do you
think there's any kind of PTSD? Because I remember where
I was. I was sitting in my apartment in two
thousand and sixteen. I think it was Romo played in
the preseason and broke his back, right yeah, And I'm like, okay,
we lost our quarterback. Did it turn out to be
okay because Dak Prescott was there? Sure, But do you

(36:01):
think that there's any kind.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Of well you do want to protect, you want to protect,
You do want to protect your quarterback. That that makes sense.
He should still be getting a couple of snaps, but
nothing crazy.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, I give him a drive, Give him a drive,
just yeah, let him hand the ball off fucking four times.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't give every other time. But it's more what
we're talking of the interior, your linebackers, you know, guys
that are going to be knocking all the time. You
need to get him in there. You know, there are
skill positions that you do need to protect, you know,
because just as a simple you know, like what happened
to to Romo, just getting tackle from behind fucking snapped

(36:39):
his back even though you know he was he was
playing injured. Anyways, I can see the quarterback, but you
got to give him a couple of drives. You can't
just not play him.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
I am I am all for that, But I'm also
all for seeing a lot of Joe Milton.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Just do right, He's going to get most of the
burn in preseason.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
Yeah, you would think, you would think if they if realistically,
if I was the coach, hypothetically, I would say Dak
gets two drives, whatever they wind up being. He could
go zero for four and that and hand the ball
off six times and it's it.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Then you get Joe Milton in there for at least
two quarters, and then you finish the game with Will Greer.
You do that for three games, maybe not the third
game for Dak, but whatever, you know what I mean,
Like you get you got to see at least get
him some real game tempo. That's all I really want
to see. Get the cadence down, get all that shit.
You're working with a brand new offense. You're working with
a brand new shiny toy on the end, right, So

(37:33):
there's a lot of moving parts and the running back
room in itself. Now, you know, when we drafted Tyler Booker,
there was there wasn't a lot of happiness, right because
we're just like again with this offensive line shit Like
but guess.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
What, you know, that's that's huge.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
That's huge, and I think that that dude is going
to be able to push people around. Tyler Smith was
ranked as the I think the best or one of
the best or top two interior offensive lineman in the league.
You would assume that Cooper Bbie takes a step forward.
Tyler Geyton was a little bit of a project from
everything that everybody's saying. Dudes, I mean outside of the
whole boxing in the rain thing, don't really understand that.

(38:13):
But you know, it seems like he's going to take
the next step in his career.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Those guys got to be playing a lot in preseason.
They need to be you have to. They're old lineman.
They have to they have to get a rhythm. They
have to you know, they have to know each other's
what each other is doing. The old line. I know
everybody says it is the trenches is where the game
is won, but those old line guys, you know, there

(38:41):
it's probably the most cohesive where everybody has to do
their job and they have to get a rhythm. They
have to get each other's speed, how fast somebody pulls,
you know, and and those guys should be playing almost
in my opinion, almost every down in preseason.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
I truly think that because of the offensive line pick
that made the Miles Standers and Javonte Williams free agency
pickups so much better. And then you draft, then you
draft Jaden Blue, then you draft Phil Maffa, then you
have Lipkey, then you have Duce. You have like six
running backs back there that can all produce. That's my
bold take going into the preseason. I think the Cowboys

(39:22):
running game is going to be fine.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
I really do. And we're gonna have to do it
by commission again, yeah, of course, but you know what
gets the most burned?

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Yeah, but not for nothing until we designated, uh, what's
this guy last year? Rico Dowdell as the number one
until we actually came out and said it, he was
getting like he had subpar games. Next thing, you know,
you're making the number one quarterback a running back and
he's running his ass off.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
One hundred yards per game easily.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
So I'm thinking like, if you have guys like Javante
and Miles as the veterans, and then you have Douce Vaughn,
who you know that was Heath's boy a couple of
years ago, and I don't think he's gotten like I've
seen him try to run through the tackles and it
just hasn't worked so far. But like today, I watched
the clip and a lot of people are hyping this
clip up. They handed the ball off to Cavante Turpin

(40:13):
out of the backfield. He was single back set, playing
running back. So imagine having that kind of speed running downhill,
like that's gonna I'm telling you the running game is
going to be fine.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
And I get it.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
No, I bet that's huge. Yeah, it's excited seeing cavan
Turbin run when no one's when he knows he's not
going to get hit and nobody's lined up in full pads.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
I agree to an extent because yeah, I say the
same thing a lot, like until they put the pads on. Really,
who gives a ship right until you're checked at the
line by a corner who cares about it?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
What seed? What seed?

Speaker 4 (40:52):
Another another dog? We have too many dogs in there.
What Ceedee Lamb could do with pads on? I get
all that, right, but like I'm looking at this team
where what kills defenses more than anything.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Look at what happened to speed?

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Speed kills the Cowboy's got a lot of speed on
offense right now.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
They do, and pads are no pads. They're fast guys.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Right Well, if we're gonna keep Deuce, we gotta make
them work. I mean, you know I was watching. I
forgot who said it online there. Deuce is still a
weapon that we don't know how to utilize. Maybe Schottenheimer
can figure it out. I don't want to lose that guy.
I really don't, especially if we're gonna be doing uh,
you know, the dipping dack. That's the type of kid

(41:36):
that you know, you get him out in the in
the open. I mean, look, Duce was very productive when
he played.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
I mean not really, I mean he was.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
He was to a certain extent. I mean he got
to use him right, but start you would you could
see you even you said when ric o'dowdell was was
set as the starter that you know, his numbers started
to look but he started to look better, he started
to I mean he never got a fair shot once ever.
He never got a Rico shot and he never deuced.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Yeah every point, I'm not being in number one, no, no, God, no, no, no,
I just think that. So, you know, I guess something
we talked about in pre is you know we've covered
a lot already on this. You know, it's one practice
in right, there's gonna be a lot of news and practice,
like three more practices before the next time.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
We got over our schedule, none of that.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
None of that, right, and we're gonna get all that
stuff right before the season starts and you know, get
rolling on that.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
But we talked about it in pre that.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Do you have somebody that will be like, whoa, why
did we cut him?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
You know, a shot cut?

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Not your seventh round undrafted free agent, a shock cut.
And unfortunately for me, I'll start it off. I think
it's going to come from the running back room.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
You can't.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
You can't have all these guys. And I think they
could all be very productive, right, but you can't. Javonte
Williams and Miles Sanders to me are one and the same.
I think only one of those guys makes the team.
That's my shot cut. One of those guys is getting cut.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I don't know who.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Uh Miles Sanders, Okay, moly, for the sole purpose of that,
Javante Williams is.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I believe he's a little younger.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
I might be wrong on that, but like I think
that there's more tread on the tire of Javante. And
I think that you drafted Jaden Blue right, and I
think he's going to be an electric back in space.
And then you got Lepki as your full back. And
then you got the guys like Phil Maffa. He might
not make Maybe he's a practice squad guy. Maybe he's
the new Eligue Davis. I don't know, but I think
the big cut that we're all just gonna like, oh,

(43:40):
I don't know about that is going to come from
the running back room.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
That's just me what.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I was gonna go with Jalen Brooks.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Oh okay, wow, that that would I would be pissed
that that was the case.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
But you got to think of it this way too
well with Pickens, and it's either gonna be Brooks or Florinite.
And I think they're pretty high on Florina.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Uh, well, I'm sorry. How many receivers do you keep?
Usually six?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Right or five?

Speaker 4 (44:16):
Yeah, because a lot of guys play special teams as well.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, but we also got to make cap room for
We're gonna have to make room for Micah.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
They have the room for Micah. They can make things happen.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
That's not a that's not a thing, like we're not
gonna have to there's not gonna be cap casualty cuts
for Micah Parsons.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
They have that room. They can do it now.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Because if we're gonna keep turping, and now we have
pickens and we have uh CD, right so yes CD
pickens and right then I'm looking here.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
You got Brooks, you got florin Oi, you got undrafted
guys that are gonna be hanging around.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
You got I mean, we got Mingo, Jonathan Mingo, christ
I forgot about Mingo. It's like, you know, after that,
maybe maybe Brooks, Mingo or FLORINOI but if you pick one,
it's Brooks, I think so maybe or Mingo. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Once again, you know how the Joneses operate. The jones
gave up a fourth round pick for Mingo. So he's
not going anywhere, not to me, at least, I.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Don't that would be a shot.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
They're not gonna They're not going to go in and say, like,
I guess we're wrong about that. They don't like being wrong,
So I don't think he gets cut. So it's just
you know, my gut. But Keith who do you got
shot cut?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (45:34):
You know, there's two that I'm thinking about. I'm really
going shock here is one is Mazzi and the other
one is Shoemaker.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah, if I have to pick, If I have to pick,
I'd say Shoemaker.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Now, but Stirch, you you gave us the the requirements
that it can't be obvious. So that's why we're trying
to pick somebody.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
No, I know this is all hypothetical fun. I get
it because you know we don't.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Want any of them. I don't want Brooks Scott, I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
I don't honestly. I mean that's the thing. I don't
look at Miles Sanders as a shock no, because I mean,
you can roll with yours. But I meant, you know,
it's basically what that those yeah, are there chances, but
I'm saying, if I'm gonna go and do something serious,
like a really serious shock, they get Those are the
two I'm thinking of.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
You want the craziest of all time shock right now?
Just just this one's off the wall. This one's like
what the fuck? Trayvon Diggs?

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Oh yeah, because I'm right.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Off on the pup.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
The vibes between Digs and the joneses are really bad
right now. He did a lot off season training, not
at the facility where they ask them, hey, listen, if
you if you go anywhere else, we're gonna find you.
And he went other places, you know. And so vibes
aren't high on Trayvon Diggs right now. And that's you know,
you know, I'm sure you'll slide into my DMS again,
mister Trayvon, but I'm.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Just like, you know, it's just to me, it just
hasn't worked out so far.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Remember he was one of the most lockdown dudes, what
three years ago where people were like, dude, you can't
throw to his side, you know what I mean? Like
that was he was that good as a ball hawk.
He's got interceptions left and right, he's got pick sixes,
blah blah blah. Then you got d ron Bland right,
but you definitely need like why like Stefank Gilmour hasn't
been re signed as another Enigma.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
Fight I know I would. I would.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
He's still got he's still got some some uh some.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Light at home right now, and he said he'd sign
for the right reasons. Now, what I think is a
lot of these veterans that are just kind of off
to the side. They're not on any teams. I don't
think any of these guys want to go through training camp,
you know what I mean, Like, let's be honest, none
of these veterans want to go to training camp.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
I mean sometimes what Michael that all the time, right.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Who wants to go to training camp?

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Nobody wants to be out there, you know what I mean,
Like they want to be playing, that want the pads on.
So some of these guys might be holding out until
somebody goes down where you know, uh, a third or
fourth corner on our team goes out with a hamstring
and ship and he's like, I'm right here, guys, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
As much as much as I love football and as
much as I would love to go back, I do
not want to go through two days, right.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I mean, it's not even it's not even remotely close
to what you got to hear Shotenneimer is when he
has to talk about like what they're allowed and not
allowed to do, He's like this complete bullshit.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
The worst is when they're waking you up and you're
in the dorm and you hear him banging on the doors.
Let's go, let's go, and and you're, for some reason
in your mind you're like, hopefully they'll they'll pass my
door forget. And then you got to get up and
it's so damn hot in the morning, and you got

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your pads are are on and it's just awful.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
And then guess what after that first practice, go get
some lunch and we'll see it three.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
You know you're coming in the hallway right.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
So yo, the guy I'm tall looking about. His name
Justin Barron from Syracuse, the linebacker.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Okay, I'll keep an eye.

Speaker 5 (49:06):
What's my surprise, undrafted? That's my surprise, undrafted or surprise
at the camp is going to be him?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Yeah, I like that. So that's your surprise.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
My surprise for camp is going to be people are
just going to be salivating over the re emergency of
Dante Fowler back on this team. I think everybody's gonna
go nuts for this. And I think he's already starting
to show. You know, it's a need, man, I'm telling you, like, look,
I just look at the recipe of the last couple
of Super Bowls now and just based off what the
Eagles were able to do to Mahomes and just beat

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the brakes off this guy, Like that's how you have
to do it. That makes any superhuman quarterback like a Mahomes,
like a Burrow, like a Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. None
of these guys are effective if they don't have a
clean pocket and they're just getting bulldozed every down. So
I love the edge rushers of this team, I really do.
I think that they're going to step up. I think

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Micah Parsons is going to get his deal done. And
I think that you know, as as skeptical, is as
sketchy as we are at the linebacker position, as sketchy
as we are in the defensive interior, I think there's
a lot of depth there that we can maybe find
a diamond in the rough, like you just said, like
it's like like somebody like that, like a Justin Barroner
or a Sandborn or you know, one of these guys

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that were just like, oh he's on the team. That's cool,
you know, but like off the charts, like just jumps
off the tape all of a sudden, where we're like, oh, okay,
maybe we've got a player here.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
M h.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
It's kind of where we're at you know.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Like that kid, that linebacker kid, the one what's his name?
I just said it Chicago? You mean I mean Chicago?

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, they he was.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
He was a leader over there, and he started a
couple of games down the backstretch, and he was an
ebra Flus guy. So if Ibraflus puts a stamp of
approval on a defensive player, I'm going to listen for
a little while, just in case I'm proving otherwise.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Right, Do I think he's gonna wind up like another
Jalen Smith? No?

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Right, Like, but I think that you know, some of
these guys, they have some some promise and youth is
on their side. So look, there's so much shit to
dive into. We're gonna be doing that throughout the preseason.
We'll jump on it started. Football's kind of started. So
you know, we're in, We're in. We're in the trenches
now that this is it, this is training camp. We'll
have a preseason game in like three weeks to talk about.

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We'll have you know, our schedule, our picks for the season.
Brett will have them at seventeen and oh and we'll
see what happens after that. I'm sure Keith will bench
back after four games. Joe Milton needs to be in
I get it. It's all it's all relative, it's all
the same shit that we deal with every single year.
But again, it's a new season. It's optimistic. We'll see
what happens. But yeah, let's enjoy some preseason and some

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some training camp stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Let's enjoy it until they are hearts out again.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Yeah, let's just enjoy it right now until the wheels
fall off and we're just like, what is this team?

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Why is this team doing the things they do?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
You don't do statistically too or probability. There has never
been a first head year, first year head coach to
go and win a Super.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Bowl until now.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, until this Yeah, until this season.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
It's the season of first. The drought is over January
of nineteen.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Are we're the only team that hasn't been to an
NFC championship in the NFC in the last Seriously, since
we've been last.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I think that's it. I think we're the last ones
of the last year. Detroit made it.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah Detroit, No, wait did they Yeah they.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Were in the championship game this year.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
They were all right, they were all right.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
So yeah, we're last we're just.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Holding out for last bro, because last first real man
that's not in the AFC.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
You know, when was the last time the Dolphins were
in there?

Speaker 5 (52:44):
Or yeah, we're yeah, yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
The last man and we're still got we still are
tied for the most It's like, it's crazy. I try
to tell people that, how if you don't understand how
good we are. We haven't been there in twenty seven years.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Thirty now thirty x twenty twenty six will be thirty
January nine. Yeah, bro, it's been thirty fucking years. I
was ten years old that the last time I didn't
fucking I needn't have my first fucking pub yet, dude,
Like this is not a fucking fun thing to deal with.

(53:21):
Like we are the only team that has dealt with
this kind of drought. I can't even tell you. Like
the Jets fans are like, oh, well, at least you
won one. No, no, dog, you've been to fucking two
in a row.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Well game. The worst in the NFC is Detroit. I
mean they hadn't won a playoff game since they beat
us in ninety two.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
They won sure, shit one on.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
THEO for the last couple of years, but I mean,
I think they're and they still haven't won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Have you guys watched Have you guys watched the Quarterback
series on Netflix right now?

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Come on, it's good. Shit. What is it they cover?

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Last year they covered three quarterbacks, it was Kirk Cousins, Mariota,
and Mahomes. This year it's Joe Burrow, Uh, Josh Allen
and Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Again.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
No, I'm sorry, Joe Burrow. Kirk Cousins. What an amazing
what an amazing career for a guy that just.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
One year deals for forty million dollars every year for
the last like fucking twenty years, dude, and he's the
cool dude, the best line in that the whole show.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
And remember they cover their personal lives and shit.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
So they're they're playing in the backyard with his kids,
and his kids shows his kid shows up and he goes, uh,
oh man, you got a fresh new cut. Man, Great
Clips is taking care of you, just like they take
care of me. Fucking Kirk Cousins, the Great Clips where
his air cuts, and I fucking love that, Like as
corny as that is, like you just.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Look at this, dude.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
You say that because he's getting sponsored by him.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
I mean, I don't know who gives a ship the
fact that he still does the great clips.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Dude, you know, people that know him love him. It's Fitzpatrick. Yeah,
there's nothing wrong.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
There's not a bone, not a bad bone in these
guys body like, they're just good.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
My buddies that played for the Titans told me when
he was there, he bought him all those you know,
those new coolers, but when you opened it up, he
had his face. He put his face in it. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
I mean, like and again, the chronicles all that shit
and guys. Netflix Cowboys documentary coming out next month. It's
going to cover Jerry Jones' entire nineties run as an owner.

Speaker 5 (55:33):
So I don't you know what. I don't even I
don't even care.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I don't even care.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yeah, no, no, man, I salivated.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
You were a child, then, that's why we were.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
I was an adult, Yeah, I was, like, well I
was when when he took over. I was fourteen fifteen,
but well.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
At least old enough to understand what was going on.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Yeah, but I still I was still I don't really,
that's like frustrating to me to watch it.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
I hate to tell you this search and again, the
the cow Boys were Tech Shram and Tom Landry and
you know, one of the winningest teams in the seventies,
even the eighties we were we still went to three
NFC Championship games in the eighties with Danny White, you know.
We That is where the mystique comes from. That's really

(56:18):
built this. It would be like somebody taking over McDonald's
and then telling the story of how they took over
McDonald's as opposed to you know, the rock story.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
And again maybe maybe I'm just younger and I can't
appreciate what they did in the eighties, but.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Like seventies, sixties.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
All that too. But like my father was that it's the.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Same I'm trying to say, the same group was in
the sixties, seventies and eighties.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Okay, so.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Yeah, so like I understand all that, but like and
and that was for the nostalgic old school Cowboys fans,
who are you know, like I guess you could say
fifty years old or older, or forty five or older.
I'm in that forty range. I'm going to be forty
in September. The cow Boys to me or the nineties Cowboys,
you know what I mean, Like, that's what built this,

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this whole conglomerate that is no, I'm talking about who
they are as America's Team like.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
This, whoa, what are you crazy?

Speaker 3 (57:11):
National exposure they're getting.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Way before. Why did your dad ever live in Dallas?

Speaker 3 (57:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Okay, all right, fair point, what do you mean?

Speaker 5 (57:23):
That's exactly you are the spawn of the original America's Team.
Fans like you, that makes apps. Jerry Jones has absolutely
nothing to do with that.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Nothing.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Absolutely he took over.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Listen, Jerry Jones took over a brand and remark and
and and rebranded it and remarketed.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
It maybe a business and it wasn't a business.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
First, I'll give you this. Should Disney get credit for Marvel? No,
thank you. Stanley is the reason Mark so great, rating,
al Tech, Scraham, all those guys that's Stanley's crew, Ernie
Stocking come in and say, oh I made him. He
didn't make ship fucking stop stop.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Well, the real man, when you watch the Magic of
the Cowboys, from the Hail Mary to you know, everything
everything that even analytics get analyzing players, everything came from
the Cowboys, from the cheerleaders to I mean everything.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Converting other like Antonio Gates, how he was never played football,
he was just an athlete. The Cowboys started that first.
What I'm trying to say is a sport like Bob
Hayes for example. They they they they, yeah, they molded
him into who he was. Uh, you know players like that,

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you know that that they were.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
And just to add to that, I think he's the
reason why we have cover too now. They created Cover
two to cover.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
Them, yeah, because they couldn't.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
But yeah, he just also reinnovated the shotgun formation.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Another thing there was.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
There's another thing that today that kind of stood out
was a lot of under center for dak today.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
A lot really Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
So interesting. We'll see if it plays out.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
But you know, oh, by the way that here we go,
still there, so anybody who thought of it.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
No, no, it's still there. I listened to it. I
love it.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
I mean that's just me.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
I just I don't know, it's just it's again, I'm
such a fucking Cowboys nerd. I And that's why I
can't wait for this documentary to come out, because I'm
just like, oh man, anything Cowboys, I just want to
get my hands on. I don't forget, don't forget we
are also the end season Hard Knocks, so yeah, so
it's the whole NFC East, not just us, So it's

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hard Division. So we can see how much we suck
at certain points throughout the season.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
So listen for our predictions. I can't car predictions.

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
Well, I think we should wait. Bro let's wait till
the last week of last week of the Preciators and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
To do that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Yeah, because I want to make sure there's nobody hurt
and this that and the third and blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
So we'll see, but we'll get into that when we
get there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
But training camp is underway. The Dallas Cowboys are on
the field as we speak, and we're all very excited
about it except Keith, and that'll be it. So for
Dames sho Brett and Keith Earns, this has been a
Murphy and Murphy, I'm sorry, and rejuvenated episode of the
Jersey Boys podcast, a brand new season for us. Please subscribe,
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(01:00:37):
to help the show grow and we will see you
guys next time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Let's go Cowboys.

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