Come on People…the Window is Short!

Tenacious Tuesday on The JJJr  Show was the most hair-curling or hot-comb straightening appointment you could make so you have your head scratched, washing away any misconceptions about the activity and agenda of the march from LA’s seige to Texas redistricting to DC’s occupation - rinsed in the clear water poured out  by 1st hour guest, and KBLA White House Correspondent, Dr. Nii-Quartelai Quartey and styled by 2nd hour weekly guest host of “On the Grind” Attorney and Activist, Barbara Arnwine. You will not be able to leave this barber and beauty shop talk without downloading and sharing to anyone you care about. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Wel from forward to the Jesse
Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. I'm excited today.
Our very special guest is a very close and dear
friend of mine who serves as one of my colleagues.
On KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Doctor nik Cordelai Corte hosts
a More Perfect Union and serves as the chief national

(00:22):
affairs correspondent for KBLA Talk fifteen eighty, in addition to
being a national affairs correspondent for The Grio, political commentator
as seen on MSNBC, guest lecturer at the Pepperdine University
Graduate School of Education and Psychology, and is highly regarded
as a public intellectual on matters at the nexus of
organizational leadership and social responsibility. I turned on CNN the

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other day and I was listening to one of those
Reutcus press conferences being held by the White House Press Secretary.
And who did I see leaning forward to ask a question,
Doctor Nie Court to lie Coarte. He's often sought out
to comment on issues related to racial equity, public policy, elections, culture,

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and identity. During the twenty twenty election, cycle. He served
as senior policy advisor to Biden Harris's presidential campaign, and
for almost a decade he supercharged the AARPS Community, State
and National Multicultural Affairs work as the first AARP Senior
Advisor and National LGBTQ Laisson, Doctor Ni Quarterlai quarte, Doctor Q,

(01:34):
Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Thank you, sir. How are you good to see you?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I'm having a wonderful time. I'm glad you're here today.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Oh, I'm glad. I'm always glad to be with.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
You, doctor Q. It's been a pretty amazing week, and
obviously we all need your take on what's taking place
in the White House. The President's engagement with Governor Abbott
has turned earned the political cycle uptied upside down with
the mid decinial redistricting jurymandering. If you will efforts, doctor Q.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Your initial take, well, I think you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
The President has already put one of the biggest twenty
twenty six midterm election issues in play. As you've mentioned,
the Texas State Legislature is hell bent on giving President
Trump what he asked for, which is five additional Republican seats.

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Why does he want that many seats because he's trying
to maintain his grip on Washington, and that means maintaining.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
His grip on the House of Representatives.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
He knows that so much of his legislative agenda will
come to a screeching halt if he loses control of
that chamber. I don't need to tell you that as
somebody who served with this diction as a member of
the House of Representatives for so long. Look, you know,
Gavin Newsom, Governor Gaven Newsom of Californias is saying, not

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on my watch, Not on my watch, am I going
to allow Trump to distort the laboratory of democracy.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
And so right now.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Today, right here in California, the California State Legislature will
convene that redistricting Committee will convene to move forward with
plans to redraw maps here that will put Republicans in
California at a disadvantage to the benefit of Democrats. Now, look,
you know it's clear to me at least that Governor

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Newsom is not trying to overplay his hand. He said,
if the Texas State Legislature is going to draw five
additional Republican seats, well guess what California is going to do.
California is going to draw five additional Democratic seats to
maintain a fair battle field in the midterm elections. There

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will be a special election related to these maps this
November here in California. And so the midterm elections are
heating up, and we certainly feel the heat in California
where I am today.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
NEI, let me ask you this question. It seems to
me that while most Democrats, including myself, agree with Governor
Newsom and other Democrats that are reacting to the Texas planned,
it seems that neither Democrat in either of these jurisdictions,
the state of California, the state of Illinois, the states

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of New Jersey and New York, no one seems to
be mentioning the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five.
As you know, all of these districts comply with the
plans from nineteen sixty five. We have about a minute
before we come forward. I think I'll just ask the
question and then come forward and get the response after
the break we have. When we go through these redistricting processes,

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many of these states start with carving out the Voting
Rights Act districts, which include African Americans, Latin Americans, those
groups that have historically been impacted by racial discrimination, gender
based discrimination, sexual discrimination, and so these districts are carved

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out in a special way by members of Congress and
others to ensure that there are majority minority districts. My concern,
Doctor Q is that in Texas, some African American representation
will be lost. I know that there's been talk about
drawing Jasmine Crockett, for example, one of the most important

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voices in the Congress from my perspective, out of her
congressional district, and Hispanics as well. When we come forward,
I would love your reflection on while we're defending the
Democrats and trying to stop Trump, it seems to me
that Democrats and Republicans are ignoring the Voting Rights Act
of nineteen sixty five and it could dilute very significantly

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the voices of African Americans and Hispanics and the gains
that we have made for almost a century and a half.
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. When
we come forward more with doctor Q. Our White House
correspondent inside the Oval Office, Jaxon Genia Welcome forward to

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Tenacious Tuesdays on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Our very
special guest in this hour serves as the host and
White House correspondent for More Perfect Union, the radio talk
show and podcast produced by KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty.
Before returning to his passion for political journalism for most
for almost two decades, doctor Corte had developed his expertise

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in national affairs by being actively engaged in policy advocacy,
at first on issues ranging from civil and human rights
to childhood obesity to senior issues. These experience have been
the foundation for doctor Corte's distinctive approach to work, always
aspiring humanized to spy in humanized leaders, listen to teachable moments,

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cautionary tales, challenge underlying assumptions. He was born into a
Ghanaian American family. He is my very good friend.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Doctor.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
You welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Jesse Jr. I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Hey, let me pick back up on that question during
this segment of our show. You're a historian, and you
know the role of the Democratic Party as the Confederacy
played right up until the Civil War and beyond. You
know how we were connected to the party of Abraham Lincoln,
the Lincoln Republicans. But you also know that after the

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Tilden Hayes Compromise, where Democrats and Republicans came together and
the Northern troops were taken out of the South, that
klu Klux Klan came into existence. And even though we
had nearly a dozen or maybe more than a dozen
African Americans in Congress, by the turn of the century,
there were zero Blacks left in Congress. I hear all

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of this. Republicans are fighting in Texas, and Democrats are
fighting back, and the Democrats are doing something in California,
and the Democrats and Illinois are getting ready to do something.
I don't hear anybody fighting to carve out our districts
and make sure black folks have representation in Congress. Help
us here, doctor Q, what are we doing looking at?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I think he raised a very important point. It's a
good time to remind folks that we have a record
number of members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Caucus is
pride itself as being the conscience of the Congress. I
think at the moment, sixty or sixty one members of
the Congressional Black Caucus. We can't take that for granted,

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and it's important that we remember how we got to
sixty one members of the Congressional Black Caucus. We know
that the Voting Right to Act had a lot to
do with how we got to sixty one or sixty
members of the Congressional Black Caucus. And the way we
got here is under threat. In fact, it is facing

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a slow death. There are hundreds of lawsuits, hundreds of
cases of private individuals and groups over the years that
have brought forward cases to enforce protections against racial discrimination
under the Federal Voting Rights Act that was signed in
the law by former President Lyndon Johnson. Well, Section two,

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Section two of that Voting Rights Act is under threat.
It's under threat Republican state officials in at least fifteen states,
and that private individuals and groups don't have the right
to sue to enforce section two because they're not explicitly
named in the landmark laws text.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
This is the issue.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
I'm just trying to boil it down, distill it for
our leaders, learners and listeners as clearly as I can.
And so they're saying that you know, private individuals can't sue, well,
why are they saying that? It's important to note that
an estimated ninety two percent of Section two lawsuits have
been brought by guess who, private individuals and groups since

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nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
And so if you take away private individuals and groups
ability to sue when there are allegations of racial discrimination
when it comes to voting right, the majority of voting rights.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Cases go away. They go away.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
And so this is this is what Republicans are trying
to do. And there are a number of test cases
that are afoot in different parts of the country. But
this is a part of what is at risk when
we talk about, you know, democracy in danger. Democratys in
danger in a lot of different ways, but this is

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a very specific way that could have a catastrophic effect
in terms of who represents us in Congress.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Doctor Q. Just yesterday the President of the United States
via Twitter, via social media, I guess that's how we
hear presidential decrease.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (11:16):
That come from on high. Uh. He's launched an unprecedented
attack on mail in voting, promising to lead a movement
against the idea of people using the postal service to
mail in in in their ballots. Can you share with
us more about what this could mean as well?

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Again, this is another very specific way in which the
President and the Republican Party are looking to undermine our voice,
undermine our agency, undermine Uh you know this democratic experiment
that has been afoot for generations.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
You know, I was taken aback because I'm sure many
of your leaders, learners, and listeners were taken aback when
in the Oval office. Just yesterday, we heard the President
of the United States express his interests in getting rid
of vote by mail ballots, with this idea that vote

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by mail ballots somehow is a fraudulent activity, somehow it
is something that only benefits Democrats. Last time I checked,
I think the same president voted by mail when he
ran in the last selection. Last time I checked. It's
not just Democrats, but it's Republicans, it's independents, it's folks

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that are part of the Green Party. Lots of folks
across the political spectrum utilize vote by mail voting. In fact,
in twenty twenty, because we were experiencing a once in
a generation pandemic, that turned out to be one of
the safest ways to vote. You know, think about what
happens when there are natural disasters like hurricanes, like floods. Right,

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having the option to vote by mail ensures that folks
are able to exercise their constitutional right, their agency, their voice,
is their vote. And this president was very explicit yesterday
from the Oval Office saying he wants to do away
with that. And so, you know, people of conscience across

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this country, people that are really about fighting for this democracy,
going to the map for this democracy, go into the
map for.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
The ability to choose for yourself.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
You know what issues your government will focus on and
what investments.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
It will make.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
That is all on the line right now, and President
Trump was pretty explicit about it yesterday.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
I want to go through some of the categories that
could be profoundly impacted by the movement that the President
of the United States to suggesting that he may lead
Americans abroad in Europe, in Africa, on every continent on Earth,
believe in our democracy, but vote by mail. Men and
women who are serving our country in foreign countries at

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more than two hundred military bases around the world vote
by mail. Students who may be registered to vote in
Los Angeles but attend Morehouse College, North Carolina A and T.
Howard University, Alabama State University, Harvard Yale, rather than flying

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home to vote, are eligible to vote by mail. When
you go down the categories, including but not limited to disabled,
people who don't want to stand in line or be
in line, or find themselves without handicap assess ablebity in line,
including but not limited to wheelchairs waiting for hours to

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vote might choose to vote by mail to be more convenient.
Men and women who work nine to five and cannot
get off from work on election day because it is
presently not a national holiday, some of them choose to
vote by mail. Making voting and inconvenience for people and

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requiring them to return to the mainland or to return
home to vote is almost a sure way, a guaranteed way,
that millions of Americans will be disenfranchised by the President's efforts.
That I miss any groups, doctor Q, that that might
come to mind.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
No, you didn't.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
And I think it's important to make the connection between
some of the groups that will be impacted if the
President is successful in rolling back getting rid of voting
vote by mail ballots. There's a connection between the groups
you just listed and what's called communities of interest when

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it comes to redistricting efforts that happen typically every ten
years after we do a census count. When people draw
these districts, they look to keep communities of interest together.
What folks that are interested in voting voter suppression, what
they do is they look to break apart communities of interest.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Right that way, they dilute.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Not just your voting power, but they dilute your voice.
And so I just want to draw a connection for
the audience in terms of the voter suppression efforts via
vote by mail and the voter suppression area efforts related
to the gerrymandering that is a foot in this country,

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with Texas being ground zero at them.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
I want to pick up on one of my favorite categories,
not because it's right, but because I think it's wrong
and I believe it's unfair. In many rural areas over
the last several decades that have built very large prisons,
they count inmates and prisoners for the purposes of their
census to receive their fair share of federal state resources,

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largely based upon but inclusive of the prison populations in
many small towns that actually exceed the number of residents
who live in that town. Those towns are beneficiaries of
the bodies of men and women who are incarcerated. But
in those towns, those men and women cannot vote in

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a local election because, of course, where the population exceeds
the local community, they could literally vote for a mayor
from the prison and who could actually win and be
governing the city. So they discount their bodies for the
purposes of political representation, but they count their bodies for
the purposes of receiving their fair share of federal and

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state resources in the local municipality. But at the same time,
those men and women who are there are not allowed
to vote in the urban areas and other communities from
around the state or from around the country for which
they have been housed. It's kind of crazy, but it
is what it is, and it gives you another example,
doctor Q, of the very nature of disenfranchisedment.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
I mean, I think what you just laid out is
the prototype. It's really a pilot exercise. It's really a
pilot exercise in terms of what the President and the
Republicans are looking to do nationwide. Imagine communities in this

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country where we have the numbers, right, but those numbers
don't match the votes that count.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
That that is, that's what we're looking at. And so
you know, the.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Republican Party under this president is doing everything they can
to set up in apartheid type system where you know,
our federal government, our state and local governments are controlled
by a minority, right folk, they don't represent the majority.
I'm talking about minority rule being the way by which

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these United States govern themselves. That is the vision, make no,
make no mistake about it. That's the vision that they
have for this country. And so democrats would be wise
and not just Democrats, but you know, folks across the
political spectrum that may have differences when it comes to policy, but.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
You know who are pro democracy?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Because this is what the is down to.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Are you pro democracy or are you pro oligarchy?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Are you pro democracy? You know? Or you know?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Are you pro fascism? Are you pro democracy? Are you
pro something? That's what this comes down to. And if
folks are serious about protecting, defending there I say, even
reimagining the next iteration of a democracy here in the
United States. Don't turn away from this news, don't turn
it off, you know, maintain your line of sight, you know,

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And as I always like to say on my show
More Perfect Union, do what you can from where you are,
is what you have, but do something.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
You know, you know. In eighteen fifty eight fifty nine,
we saw this separation of the states, between the northern
states who chose to stay in the Union, and the
Southern Confederacy. And increasingly when I look at some of
these maps of the newly soon to be newly drawn

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Blue states or the potential for Democrats to pick up,
I don't think our country has ever been more divided
as both sides dig in, except you may have a
situation this time where the Blue States might petition the
government itself to secede from the Union because of our
way of life, because of our culture, because of the

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things that we have come to appreciate about our freedom
system compared to those who want to head, let's say,
for example, in a very different direction, I see, I
see it as plain as the nose in the in
the middle of my face. Our very special guest in
this hour is none other than doctor quarterlat Knee quarter

(21:44):
Lay Corte. He is the host of a More Perfect
Union on a KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. When we come
forward more with doctor Q. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome
forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk
fifteen eighty before return to my questioning and the participation
of doctor Q on our program. A little bit more

(22:06):
about doctor Q. He was born into a Ganaian American family.
Doctor Corte holds a doctoral degree an organizational Leadership and
a master's degree in Social Entrepreneurship and Change from Pepperdine University.
He holds a bachelor's degree in Political Science with a
minor and Critical Approaches to Leadership from the University of
Southern California. He lives in Washington, d C. And Los Angeles,

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and he is one of the most trusted voices for
truth in the media today. Doctor Q, Welcome forward to
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Always good to be in your company.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Doctor Q. I also want to comment on what a
wonderful family we have here at KBLA we do. Tavis
is in Chicago and he insisted this morning on seeing
my dad, and we went to see dad, and Tavis
held my dad's hand for a good half an hour.
He prayed with my dad, and you know, he brought

(23:02):
tears to my eyes, and I was so grateful that
Tavis spent that real quality time with that and dad.
Tavis will attest to the fact that he was concerned
about what's going on in Alaska with mister Putin and
mister Trump. He's a couple of days off on the news,
but Tavis and that moment that he had was with

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Tavis was so special. And I know that my dad's
in a real struggle right now, and I wouldn't be
honest if I didn't tell you. I wasn't scared, scared
to death. But I'm so grateful for the family that
we have right here at k B l A. So
thank you for for being a member of that family,
doctor Q. Me let me let me go back to

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some of what we were talking about, doctor Q. The
country has never been more divided, and you've been studying
this dynamic in a way that I don't think any
of us, I don't think it has ever been presented
to any of us in this way. Where are we
really and what is the end result of the nature

(24:10):
of the division that we're looking at?

Speaker 3 (24:13):
You know, I think we're living in a time where
the politics of grievance reign Supreme I think there's a
lot of people that don't They aren't happy about the
life that they are leading, and there is a party
in power that is willing to make up excuses as

(24:37):
to why folks may not be living the lives that
they desire. They're pointing to their neighbors and saying, your
neighbors are the problem. They're saying that people who are
undocumented are the problem. They're saying that lesbian, gay, bisexual,
transgender people are the problem. They're saying that black folks

(24:58):
are the problem. They're saying that women folk are the problem.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Right, And.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I think folks on the left, folks outside the Republican Party,
may have underestimated the power of grievance to animate voters,
the power of grievance to influence elections, the power of
grievance to get corporate America to acquiesce, to get higher education,

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to acquiesce to the whims of a president that the
Supreme Court says has superpowers in that office. And so
this is the perfect storm that we find ourselves in.

(25:55):
And we find ourselves in this perfect, perfect store. But
the question is where is our you know, let.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Me let me, let me let me if I can
doctor Q because I always get the top political analysis
from you. But let me ask you a personal spiritual question.
Why do we Why is our first instinct to lash
out at each other? Why or the other? Why isn't

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our first instinct? Everything that we say is at the
foundation of our faith? Why do we blame somebody else?
Why do we blame the blame the black Why do
we blame the LGBTQ. Why do we blame the women?
Why do we blame the other during moments like this?

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Why do we as my father would say, why don't
we turn to each other and not on each other?
Why is that the last instinct?

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, yeah, I think because it is easier to lash
out on someone else. It actually requires more courage for
us to go inward, for us to look at ourselves,
for us to ask ourselves, you know, why is.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
It that that bothers?

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Does it bother me so much that there's a happy
gay couple that lives next door?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Why does it.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Bother me so much that, you know, women have more
rights now than they did, you know when my grandmother
was why is that bothering?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Why is that really just? Why is that itch uh
so badly?

Speaker 3 (27:29):
That I feel the need to take it out on
uh my neighbor at the ballot box, right, And I
think part of it is, you know that, Uh, I'm
thinking back to what Tony Morrison said in an interview
long ago when she was talking about racism and how

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foolish it was and how much of a distraction it
was and continues to be.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
And she made the point that, you know, if you
can only be tall when I'm on my knees, you
have a problem. And that's the problem that you.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Have to deal with that doesn't have anything to do
with me, right, And so I think, you know, if
we could scale that metaphor, I think that helps explain
at least what we're dealing with.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
In this moment.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
I mean, think about it.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
You have a president of the United States that is
taking control of, or at least attempted to take control of,
the DC police and doing so under false pretense, this
idea that somehow Washington, D C. Is crime ridden and
there's violence everywhere. You know, Jesse, you remember you reminded

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folks at the top of this conversation. I live between Washington,
d C. And Los Angeles. I have a home in Washington,
D C. And I feel quite safe in Washington, d C.
Have lived there for nearly ten years now. It's an
urban city. You know, it's not without crime, it's not
without issues, but it's also not bombs over Bagdad. And

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this president is trying to create a marad. She's trying
to create this idea that Washington, d C. Is this
unlivable space. Uh and the people who really live there
know that that's not true, you know. And so then

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it raises the question, well, what's really the issue? Is
an issue that you have this thriving, fairly thriving middle
class in Washington, d C. This beautiful city, and are
there folks that are uncomfortable that the folks that are
enjoying this city are almost fifty percent black?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Is that a part is that? Part of the problem
is it is whose city?

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
You know, this is this really about reclaiming something that
they believe is rightfully theirs.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
When you look at some.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Of the areas that the Federalized National Guard is reportedly
uh patrolling, They're not going into the areas that that
are the biggest hot spots in d C. They're not
doing that, you know, they're patrolling you know, the the
areas that are tourist destinations, you know, the areas that

(30:24):
don't have crime related issues or violence violence violence related issues.
And so you know, this president is selling the people
some wolf tickets when when it comes to uh, the
matters in Washington, d C. And if he is successful

(30:45):
in d C, make the mistake, he's coming to a
city near you.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
He's named Chicago, he's named Baltimore, he's named Oakland.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
We already know the kind of havoc he's read, he's
reaped in.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
In Los Angeles, and so you know, we should take
it seriously.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
And we should be tapping into support grassroots leaders.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
On the workout.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
And when we come forward, I want to share with
you who some of these groups are that I'm hearing
about that your listeners might be able to support.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
On KBLA Talk fifteen eighty, I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome
forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show and KBLA Talk
fifteen eighty. In this hour, it is tenacious Tuesdays, all
day long on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. And what
makes the day tenacious is none other than Attorney Barbara Arnwine,

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President and founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, internationally renowned
for contributions on critical justice issues, including the passage of
the landmark Civil i Attack of nineteen ninety one and
the two thousand and six reauthorization of provisions of the
Voting Rights Act. Currently, she also serves as co chair
and facilitator of the Nation No Commission for Voter Justice,

(32:02):
the Millennial Votes Matters Convenience, and the Voting Rights Alliance.
He was the head of the Lawyer's Committee for Civil
Rights under Law from February nineteen eighty nine until June
of twenty fifteen, and holds the honorific title of President Emeritus.
Madam President. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Thank you for having me. I'm glad to be back.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
I am. I felt like I feel like I've talked
with you just yesterday. Welcome forward. Listen today, I want
to do something a little different. You happen to be
on the grind, but also on the ground on a
number of critical issues that matter to our community at
this hour. Yes, and the actions that we should take

(32:47):
in this hour collectively as a community. Yes, Barbara Arnwine,
the show is yours. What should we be doing?

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Whoa paying a tension to a number of different issues.
Let me talk about let me just mention the ones
that you got to be paying attention to. What's going
on in Texas. The Texas revolters have returned to the
legislature and there and the GOP is imprisoning them at asses.

(33:25):
They while they're at the legislature, they're not allowed to
go anywhere without a police escort, in essence, a sergeant
at arms escort. They have to have a permission slip.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Ask you a question. I didn't mean to cut you off,
because I've opened this up to you and it's all yours.
But we just got finished celebrating Juneteenth in Texas. About
you're telling me that the Texas legislators who returned home
are now under essentially they're on parole. They're like, it's horrible.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
In fact, if you've been following it, one of their
representatives callier, she is living right now, sleeping on the
d You know, she slept last night on the floor
of the house because she wouldn't sign the permission slip.
She wouldn't quote get her papers right so that she

(34:25):
could legally move, So she was kept in the chamber overnight.
She can only move if, in fact, they go into
some kind of recess or house arrest, right exactly, that's
what Daryl called it. Daryl said his house arrest. I said,

(34:45):
it's some kind of false imprisonment. But it's horrible. And
so she because she wouldn't sign it, they wouldn't even
let her go home last night. So she is stuck
there until they go into some kind of you know,
procedural session under which she can leave without having signed this.

(35:05):
Uh this this uh you know, my my papers a slip.
So this is really bad news, folks, and they are
hell bent on passing their uh this plan. Remember Trump said,
give me five more partisan GOP districts so that I
can win the twenty twenty sixth election. Uh at the

(35:29):
house level that they that we can have assure me
a GOP house. So give me more, you know, Jerry
Mander mid decade, not at the beginning of the decade,
which is what the law calls for, but mid decade.
Come on, give me some more GOP seats. Five more.
And how do they do that? They said, oh, yes, sir,

(35:50):
whatever you say, sir, you know we're gonna do it.
And what they did was that they basically packed blacks
into different districts so that they could reduce the number
by fifty percent of black congressional representatives. So that means
that Jasmine Crockett has to run against Mark Vezi. That

(36:13):
means that Al Green has to run against whoever ends
up in CD eighteen, which has been historically you know,
the Houston area, you got it, the Sheila Jackson Lee,
you know all of that district, yes, exactly. So they're
trying to, you know, just get rid of all these

(36:35):
amazing voices and power figures in the US Congress by
this redistrict. So it's a racial gerrymander. Is evil, but
they are pushing it fast. They did some kind of
procedural maneuver yesterday that blew everybody's mind because they did
it so fast. They're moving today and we expect that

(36:56):
by Friday they will have not only pass, but the
governor will be holding some kind of ceremony to sign it.
So we listen, folks, these people are dead serious. They're
rigging the twenty twenty six elections. If that wasn't enough,
you know, you've heard me talk about the Save Act
and all of that. Well, honey, the President of the

(37:19):
United States has the site that he's just on a
paragraph move right now. So what he's done is that
he has announced that he's going to do an executive
order that will ban prohibit the use of mail in ballots. Now, folks,

(37:41):
take a moment, breathe, and think mail in ballots used
by a huge percentage of the American population. Uh, this
is where you know, you're able to skip all those
long lines, not have to go stand in line, and
you're able to just you know, put your idea, you know,
put whatever's required and mail in a ballot. Well, he

(38:03):
don't want you to do that because it's too simple,
and he wants to discourage you from voting, and he
doesn't have that power.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Barbara. We're going to break this down when we come forward.
The same guy who was looking for eleven thousand, seven
hundreds in the World Game, he's now looking for five
Democrats or five Republicans I'm sorry, in tech publicans high
Republicans in Texas'm Jesse Jackson Junior. This KB They talked
fifteen eighty more on Tenacious Tuesdays on the Grind with
Barbara Arnwine. When we come forward, I'm Jesse Jackson. You're
welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. It's Tenacious

(38:31):
Tuesdays with none other than the most tenacious co hosts
that we have on our program, Barbara arm Wine. Barbara
is a prominent leader in the civil and human rights community.
She fights for the preservation of affirmative action and diversity programs.
She's also outspoken voice about the need for reparations for
African descendants in the Americas. Miss Arnwine is a prominent

(38:53):
founder of Election Protection, the nation's largest non powered send
voter registration protection coalition, launched in two thousand and four
to assist historically disenfranchised persons to exercise the fundamental right
to vote. Barbara, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Thank you, thank you. It's good to be here.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
So, Barbara, just before we came forward, you were going
through a litany of everything that we need to pay
attention to. And I was talking with doctor Nie Cordlaike
Coarte just before you came on about the people who
would be impacted by Donald Trump's campaign against mail in ballots,
democrats abroad America.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
There you go, there, you go.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
To college, you need to send there I know you
on it. Yes, help me here, the disabled seniors who
don't want to stand in line, people in wheelchairs, people
who have to go to work, who mail in their
ballots because they don't get election. Barbara, this is your show.
Help us. What is Donald Trump doing with these mail
in ballots?

Speaker 4 (39:55):
He's trying to read the elections. Come on, I mean,
this is not hard, this is not rocket science. He
wants to rig the elections. He wants to make sure
that he can get rid of the voters he doesn't
who he feel will vote against quote his interests. Now,
mind you, he's not on the ballot in twenty twenty six,

(40:16):
but the House is the entirety of the United States House.
Every single person has to stand for election. And as
clear as I said before, their internal polling data must
be ugly. It must be telling them that they're losing
in a landslide. Because he's so desperate. So he's already

(40:41):
ahead of the elections. Because remember, you know, in order
to there's primaries before you have the general election next
year in twenty twenty six. So in order to do
for most states, in order for them to do this
crazy mid decade district thing, they have to do it

(41:02):
now or by November, there's too late for many of
these states, and definitely by January's way too late. So
he's so he's doing everything he can to rig, to steal,
to lie, to deceive, but everything he can to make
it harder for people to vote who he feels will

(41:24):
vote against his people. So this is insane, folks. A
president should be what the president of the entire United States,
all the people the United States. Parties should win based
upon their platforms, based upon what they say they're gonna do,
not based upon trying to get rid of voters they

(41:46):
don't like, not trying to readdistrict and illegally redistrict in
a way that gives you nothing but your party control. Well, California, California,
California can this is a California based radio station. I
want everybody to know that you have become part of

(42:09):
the answer. A part of the answer is that if
they're gonna rig and try to in all of these
Republican dominated states where they can do it, they're gonna
try to come up with more partisan GOP districts, get
rid of the Democrats because they controlled the you know,
the because the GOP controls the mechanism for drawing the districts,

(42:33):
so they're just gonna draw partisan districts. Well the answers
that the Democratic states have to respond, And Gavin Newsen
from California has said what folks, he said, We're not
gonna sit back and let it happen. We're gonna have
a pleva site. We're gonna actually have a popular vote,

(42:55):
and then November people can say what they want to
do this. November can say about whether or not they
want a redistrict and if California redistricts, then Trump's whole
plan is nullified. If the other Democratic states respond to
other Republican states, it's nullified. So this is I hate it,

(43:20):
as you know, it's an absolute race to the bottom.
But when people are threatening your life, you gotta fight back.
Can sit back and say, oh, I hope they are
going to be fair.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Kudos to Governor Newsom and Governor Pritzker and the governors
that are standing up. Yes, I should share with you
that I don't hear either of them. However, as Democrats,
you know, I'm equally critical. I'm an equal opportunity, got
to be criticizer. I don't hear them mentioning the Voting
Rights Act and compliance with the Voting Rights Act while
they engage in this reaction to the Texas Gerrymander. We'll

(43:57):
come back to that in a minute, but I do
want to say this. Our very special guest and host
who hosts our program on our show once a month,
dropped in the other day, John Lesiotis, and he said,
in his lifetime, quite frankly, our lifetimes, this is the
first time that voters may not be picking their representatives,

(44:19):
but their representatives may be picking their voters. It's not
the time think about that, Barbara. Okay, okay, talk to me,
talk to me now again. People aren't picking who they're
sending the congress in the mid desinial redistricting. The congressmen

(44:41):
are sitting in a room saying I don't want you,
I don't want you, but I do want you, and
I do want you. So the politicians are picking their
voters in the jerrymander as opposed to the people saying
I don't want you or I like this about you.
That's what he's trying to say.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Absolutely, you know, and partisan jerry mandarin has been a
problem in this country now for more than a decade.
You know, the Common Cause Versus Rutrol case is a
case that was held in twenty nineteen on this issue
of partisan jerry mandarin because of this very fact that
when the politicians picked who they want to be your

(45:26):
you know, the only people you can you know, who
are competitive in a district because they've drawn the district
that only certain people can win, of certain parties. This
has been going on for a while. And then North Carolina,
which is where the Common Cause Versus Rutro case came from.
That's precisely what they did. They drew all these districts

(45:47):
to make sure that no one who was Democratic could win,
and they left very you know, they made the major
the overwhelming majority of us of those districts republican in
a state that is equally Republican and democratic, if not

(46:07):
a little bit more Democratic leaning. So it was a
terrible gerry mander. But the difference here, like you pointed out,
is that this is being done mid decade. Mid decade, folks.
You know, by the US Constitution says that there's shall
be a House of Representatives, right, and it says that

(46:30):
it shall be based in the subsequent laws that were
passed basically says it has to be based on the
population so that no one state has too many people,
are too few representatives in the House based on population,
So the more populous states get the most representatives, the

(46:55):
least populous states get the least. But how do you
know who which what you one is populist and which
isn't You do a census, a census, and a census
is done every ten years, and what they're trying to
do is do a mid decade without a new census.
You're saying, we don't like the way it looks right

(47:18):
now because there's too many Democratic seats, so we're gonna
get rid of them. It's evil, you know, I'm I
have been a proponent and a supporter of these independent
redistricting commissions. There's not enough of them, very few of
them in the country. And where they have been, like
in California, they've drawn pretty you know, pretty good maps

(47:41):
that are fair to all the parties, that doesn't just
support incumbents. And but but that's not what your president wants.
Your president, you're president, he wants to rig the twenty
twenty six elections. Now that he will have a House
that will do whatever the heck he tells them to do.

(48:04):
And that's all they're doing right now. Where is the
independence in this house? Have you seen them buck him
on one thing?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
No?

Speaker 4 (48:11):
No, they're so afraid they're gonna get primaried. They're so
afraid they're going to that he's gonna call his mag
eites out on them. So they they are just refusing
to do anything that he might disagree with. So we
have we have lost the separation of powers because we
have a a Congress that's there to check the president

(48:36):
from his asssses that now won't check him at all.
They'll do whatever he says do, no matter how absolutely
insane it is. So these tariffs and all this other
stuff that you're hearing about and you're going, how could
that be happening? That's because the Congress won't do anything.
When you look at the DC takeover and you're going,
what what what what what? It's because he has this

(48:59):
emergency power, but you know, Congress has to say, listen,
we're gonna stop this when we can. But they're not.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
You know, there's the big beautiful bill which was horrible,
the big, ugly, terrible, devastating, life threatening killer bill, Uh,
they just passed that thing, knowing that it was wrong
and knowing their constituents didn't back it. They just didn't
care because they want to make him happy, because they

(49:27):
want to keep their seats. That's all they care about.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
My little nephew, Mason just showed up on the on
the show. Mason, just say hate to doctor Barbara Arnwaine.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Hey, Lica.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Listens to the show regularly and he just loves on
the grind with Barbara ar Wine and he's Mason. Think
you were coming back to say hi to doctor Arnwine.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Thank you. It's so nice to see you, Mason.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Thank you. Bason.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Oh that was special.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
We through two issues so far. All right, now take
us to where we're going next, Barbara.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Come on now, we got to talk about d C
DC takeover. You see takeover. I'm you talking about I'm
here on the ground. I'm right in DC right now. Bard.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Can we expect what has happened in the District of
Columbia in other major cities through of.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Course, I mean the listening folks. In twenty sixteen, this
year President Ran he kept talking about how he didn't
trust those voters, which voters he said in Milwaukee which
voters he said, in Philadelphia, which voters he said? In

(50:48):
Houston he said, which voters? He was only naming black
predominantly black cities. Well you know his little ice, know,
takeo his little ice. You know his evil ice deportation
plan that he you know that he was imposing upon

(51:09):
this nation. Well, remember they they have lied from the beginning.
They said there are millions of millions, of millions and
millions and millions of millions of you know, these criminal immigrants,
and we always said it was a big lie. Well
it is a big lie. And they're running out. They're
running out of immigrants to arrest, and people are self

(51:29):
departing whatever is happening. But they're running out. They can't
meet their daily quotas. And I've always said that, Listen, folks,
don't you sit back and think this is only about immigrants,
because once he because a dictator wants total control, nothing less.
A dictator will never be happy unless he has total
control of everything. You can't satiate him. You can't make

(51:54):
them happy by just giving him, like, Okay, these law
friends are gonna capitulate, Okay, these universes, he's gonna capitulate. Okay,
this media outlet is gonna. He was everything, everything and
so and we always said he's racist, that there's a
racial you know, overtone undertone to everything he does. And

(52:16):
sure enough, I said, as soon as he boos from
the immigrants, he's coming after the blacks, which has always
been his target. And he's coming after the blacks through Washington,
d C. No accident people, two black women mayors that
he's attacked their authority and their rule through sinning in

(52:40):
his troops in Los Angeles, Karen vass here in d C,
Gurio Bowser, it is just evil, and don't you fall
for it. D C has less crime than eight predominantly
white cities.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Did you hear me?

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Eight predominantly white cities.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
And he's not sticking troops. He's not sticking troops in
those cities.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Not going to those are his boys. You know, he's
not going to because this is a racial play. He's
using the stereotypes of black criminality that's been used against
us since slavery. He's using that stereotype to once again
to just ignore facts, but to impose his will and

(53:28):
to make you know, his bubba's and whoever else are
sitting back feel good. Look. At least he's getting the blacks.
I might be suffering, but he's making them black suffer.
Come on, people, stop falling for it, because you're suffering
too your His medicaid cuts are gonna kill a whole
lot of folks, and they ain't gonna just be black folks.
Don't you get confused his food stamp cuts. It's gonna

(53:52):
a whole lot of folks gonna go hungry, and they're
not just gonna be black folks. Don't get confused. You
are the target to And if you think this is
all about you know one group of race that been
deserving and others do you have been food?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
This is KBLA Talk fifteen eighty when we come Forward
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(54:32):
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(54:53):
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(55:16):
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Speaker 4 (55:25):
Thank you, it's good to be here.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
We were grinding through a number of issues right before
looking forward. I'm sure you want to keep the grind going.
We were in we ended in DC. Where are we
heading next, Barbara, Well, before.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
We leave d C? Come on, what do you think
it looks like on the ground here, folks. We got
these troops from West Virginia. We got truths from Ohio
like they somehow, you know, the perfect states in the Union.
Please help me, help me. And we have these other

(56:00):
you know, troops coming in from South Carolina wherever, uh
and the bottom line is that remember, National guards or what,
they're not trained to be police. I gotta say this again,
They're not trained to be police. They're for emergencies. Therefore,
you know, any kind of military action not to be police.

(56:23):
And so the fact that they're failing miserably in this
job is not a big joke. It also means, folks,
that there are checkpoints.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Barbie, hear me, check points Barbara in this moment, In
this moment, Barbara, listening to you. During the Civil War,
South Carolina could not take over the District of Columbia, right,
And now you're telling me they are South Carolinian National
guardsmen in Washington, d C.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
You have West Virginians. Oh, hil you have people and
states sending guardsmen.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Yes, ooh.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
During the American Civil War, the way history is taught,
never made it to the District of Columbia.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
You got it.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
And now the President of the United States is ordering
them to the District of Columbia. Not only for the
purposes of fighting crime that does not exist.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
That terrise.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
He's also that's correct, he's also participating in a historical narrative,
a rewriting of the story. We have now conquered Lincoln's
Washington right.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
And remember everybody, when you saw that little Confederate flag
trancing up and down in the Capitol on January sixth,
when he couldn't quote find the National Guard. Remember he
said that he had no power to call the national Guard,
the mayor should have done it. Blah blah blah. Now
a sudden, he's calling the National Guard, he's calling the DA,

(57:55):
he's calling anything that's law enforcement atf whatever. To walk
the streets of DC and I have checkpoints where if
you're driving through in the in the city and certain
points there's a checkpoint. And what does that mean? You
got to show your ID, show your papers, justify while

(58:19):
you're in the city. And they're using this to not
to terrorize you know, DC residents and of course to quote,
you know, try to find somebody who might be you know,
quote an illegal which doesn't exist and undocumented you know immigrant.
So it's just vicious and people don't like it. I

(58:42):
saw stuff today I've never seen in my life. I've
seen people put up big, old screens on their porches,
wire screens because they just don't want these people invading
their privacy. They've been stopping people who are sitting on
their porches saying, show us your papers. Once again, this
is insane in DC, it's insane in the United States.

(59:07):
They've been approaching the homeless and throwing them out of
there in campings. But guess what I found out today
that really blew my mind. You know what they're doing
because there are no shelters, not enough shelters here, They're
approaching the homeless and get ready for this jesse. They're
taking all their stuff, their tents, their bags of food,

(59:30):
their clothes, belongings, their belongings and leaving them on the streets.
Did you hear me? If that's not vicious and cynical
and evil, what is so? The other thing I wanted
to point out and when you said that, was Barbara
just doing hyperple when she was talking about she's just

(59:52):
hyping up stuff. When I was talking about the attack
on blacks they sat when this whole quote breakdown takeover
took place. They sent out eight pictures of people to
quote be looking for all black, every single one. Not
only all black, but young black men. That's who the

(01:00:12):
target is of this thing. It's a harassed the hell
out of young black.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Men, our producers saying our children should not go out
anywhere at all in the district of Columbia without their ID.
Is that true? Or anywhere in the country for that matter.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
They got to be careful. I mean, this is a
dangerous time. Somebody was talking to me recently about doing
some travel and I said, honey, you know you look
Latino and you know that that you're going into an
area where they've been horrible, you know, uh, just arresting

(01:00:48):
people because remember they've been arresting US citizens and the
other thing folks have missed when I say, pay attention, folks,
have you been noticing that today they announced that they
are signing a new deal with Uganda and another foreign
nation to send people to from who are quote us

(01:01:10):
uh you know, prisoners, uh, detainees. Folks. This is dangerous
if they send you, if they arrest you wrongfully and
you can't get to your lawyer, then they're gonna send
you to a foreign country. How are you gonna ever
get a lawyer to get out? What they're doing, folks,

(01:01:31):
In case you don't realize it, they're creating slave labor
camps all over the world.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Marmbert, who they're gonna send the Uganda. Now, wait a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Today they announced.

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
Wait a minute, was like, la, wait a minute, you
mean to tell me that American citizens could well, let
me just be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Black men, black women, the Negro people could end up
in a jail in Uganda. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yeah. And not only that, I mean the state of
Alabama is saying that they want to send any of
their prisoners abroad that they want. If anybody who gets
in prison in Alabama, they want to just send them abroad. Period.
This people, that means your rights are gone. That means

(01:02:28):
you have no attorney to represent you. That means you
just become a slave. You go, you go to those
other countries. You think they're just gonna sit there and
feed you. Are you kidding me? They're gonna put your
the work and make you work for free.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
This is why they love this deal. They get paid
money and they get some free labor. Come on, let's
not be fooled about what's going on here. This is
just wicked.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Just afterceda step forward and join.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
This none, I am so I'm so mad I started.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
This is a moment where I wish my dad had
his full health, yes, so he can go to these
African countries and ask you gotta be kidding me. You've
got to be kidding me that you would make yourself
available to house American citizens, probably young African American men

(01:03:27):
and women in a foreign prison who happened to you black.
That's outrageous.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Are people who are detained because they quote are undocumented
from Honduras ending up in Uganda. People, I mean, this
is just vicious where you don't even have the same language.
I mean, it is just I mean, this is the
worst darn thing. And people, they've signed a number of
these agreements already and there's gonna be shipping people out.

(01:03:56):
This is vicious. If you're not paying attention, you gotta
pay attention.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Our conversation is getting so deep, I'm missing my break.
I'm Jesse Jackson Talk fifteen to eighty. When we come
forward more with I'm Jesse Jackson, Jr. Welcome forward to
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.
It is always the most exciting show of the week
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most popular show, the most popular and tenacious personality. She

(01:04:22):
is the president and founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition
is international renowned for her contributions on all human rights issues. Barbara,
welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
Thank you for having me, Barbara.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
You have completely blown me away with the Honduras and
the Ugandan.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Can you believe that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Well, what's gonna end up happening, Barbara, is you know
somebody's knuckleheads out here.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
This is insane.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
They're going to start disappearing. And you know, we can
normally try and find them at the county, we could
find them, maybe at the state, maybe we'll find them
in a federal joint. But we're going to to be
missing a bunch of knuckleheads because they're on their way
to Uganda or Honduras, and we're not going to know
where the knucklehead in the neighborhood suddenly went, because that's

(01:05:10):
what ICE is doing. That's what they're gonna do when
the federal government under Donald Trump shows up. Now, knucklehead,
why do I use the term knucklehead? You know gave
me that word knucklehead, Brobama, No, Barack Obama did. Oh yes,
you told me some knuckleheads out here, and you know
heem again a little campaign against the knuckleheads, but more

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morally encouraging them to stop being knuckleheads. But Donald Trump is
going to pack them up and send them somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
And so is Alabama and all these other places. Folks.
There's two things going on. Why is the ice They're
just gonna take anybody they say is illegally here and undocumented.
They're just gonna ship them out with no with no
ability to have really new process. And they're gonna and
so and already we know they have arrested several citizens

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who have had to fight to get released, and imagine
them during this to eighteen and seventeen year any way,
this is dangerous. Then you have the states that are saying,
even if you are a US citizen and you are
convicted in the United States, that we're going to make

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sure that you serve your time abroad. We're gonna send
you one of these your countries and make you suffer
because because you won't have a lawyer, you won't have
family to come and visit you, you're gonna be miserable. So
it's evil and this is where they're going, folks. The
other thing I wanted to say, because I you know,

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next show, I'll talk about the Supreme Court because that's huge.
But I want to just in on all these issues.
Let people know, let people know that there that the
other thing your president is talking about. It's a crime bill.
Have you been hearing it? I was talking about a
crime bill, folks. What happened the last time there was

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a crime bill?

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Oh my goodness?

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Uh, you know, mass incarceration. I know people aren't gonna
believe me, but mass incarceration of African Americans has actually
been going down over the last number of years. It's, uh,
you're still way too high, but it's been going down.
They're going to if they come up with another crime deal,
they're gonna just you know, start incarcerating people right and left.

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And guess what what if he said he wants to
do with this new crime bill, folks, he wants to
make people as young as fourteen years old adults. He
wants them to be treated as adults. Look at that
long fourteen year old in your household.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Hold on about my producer, Gina Towns has kind of
unloaded in the chat. She says, this is not about knuckleheads.
This is about your black drive, walking on the street,
coming home, from school, going to the movies. You are
not coming back because they want got an all white nation,

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young black men, young and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Innocent. They don't care. But they don't care if you're
innocent or not. They just see the black and they
won't you gone. And so he wants, now if you're
fourteen years old, that you can be treated as an
adult in court for whatever crime. Now you know what
people are saying, Ooh, that's mean, that's evil. Listen, folks,

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don't forget. All of this stuff is about Epstein. Right,
He's trying to get all of our attention away from Epstein.
And what is Epstein accused of doing? Having sex and
sex trafficking girls that were what fourteen years old?

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Children?

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Children? So what is he doing? He's kind of back
dooring protection, right, come on, folks, you know, don't don't
forget Epstein was his best friend for ten years. There's
going to they're still you know, they're they've been trying
to sanitize the files and do all the rest of it,
but there's still liability underneath all of this that he's

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scared to death of. And so some of this little
you know, all this Pumpins nonsense taken over DC, trying
to come up with everything else he can to get
the house to be his friend, because he doesn't want
an unfriendly house that would hold him accountable. All of
this stuff, it's a distraction from what's going on. Don't

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for a second, don't do for a second think any
of this is real. He's not after knuckleheads. He's just after,
you know, getting rid of blacks so that we won't
be competitors in the labor market. Because this labor market
is failing. It's failing people, and so it's better to
criminalize and throw people out of the labor market then

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to recognize that we're in this era of vulture capitalism
that's not producing enough good jobs.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
And and these uh, you know these uh, these corporations
they hate employing people. They want to employ they want robots,
they want things they can work twenty four hours of deximization.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Yeah, you know, that's really interesting because I saw this
man a viral video. Literally they stand in the middle
of a public area and shoot a veteran in the chest,
an African American veteran who was in his wheelchair, and
according to some of the facts, as they begin to emerge,

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he was he didn't. The white man who shot him
in public on video was demanding that he show him
ID as a veteran. And I guess the guy couldn't
reach it, or somehow he you know, tangled with his
own weapon or whatever. Gentleman just shot him in cold blood.
He survived, but shot him in cold blood, and it's

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on video. And he put up his hands and he said,
everything's going to be okay, folks, Everything's going to be okay, folks.
I got him, so I get it. Not just the knuckleheads,
but black men, black women. Your skin color is on
the is on the line. He recognized, Yeah, better recognized,
better recognized, better recognized, Barbara, This is almost so unbelievable

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that it's overwhelming. Who could have ever imagined, let me
just pause for a moment, that when some of us
just a few short months ago were confused about who
to vote for, that we would look at the whole
sale incarceration of our people and potentially the deportation of

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them to other countries abroad. Yes, and while you're sitting
around in a barbershop or beauty parlor talking about why
you're not going to vote or somebody ain't black, enough.
Is Donald Trump white enough? Because it get any whiter
than this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Haven't we unleashed the very worst that we could have
in our system? Barbara, we have less than one minute.
That gives you about thirty seconds forward of everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Thank you so much. I want to thank everyone who
came out on Saturday and took a part in the
three hundred different activations around the country to fight the
Trump take over. Thank you to everybody who's fighting and
resisting in DC. Thank you to Ohio for saying for
all of those who are going to show up tomorrow
and say, send our troops home. They have no business

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been in DC. Thank you, folks for fighting, because we
only win if we fight. We do not win if
we just sit around and moan and groan and complain.
We gotta get out in these streets. We gotta vote,
we gotta do what we have to do. We gotta litigate.
We're gonna do everything that we can, and folks, we
need you in the fight. Come on, folks, come on

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all over the country.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Listen. You've been listening to Barbara Arnwine on kVA Talk
fifteen eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior until tomorrow,