Tenacious Tuesdays on the Jesse Jackson Jr Show

In a special edition of “Tenacious Tuesdays” on the Jesse Jackson Jr Show, Dr. PL de Silva makes his way back in an emergency “Special Edition” to talk about the Trump administration’s deployment of the National Guard to Washington DC, basically taking over the police department in the jurisdiction. Jesse Jr. and PL unearthed so many nuggets that the “refining fire” of Jackson’s Tuesday weekly series “On the Grind” with the tenacious Barbara Arnwine in the second hour only proves why this show’s “exchange” is golden. Download for sure.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
No I Jesse Jackson Nacious Tuesdays on the Jesse Jackson
Junior Show. Welcome oh KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Our very
special guest in this hour is none other than doctor P. L. D. Silva.
But before I bring doctor Da Silva forward, I want

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to just lay out a little bit of the history
of how we got to where we are. When the
Negro first arrives in the America's in sixteen nineteen, more
specifically in the United States in Jamestown, Virginia, just outside
of Hampton, Virginia, there was no United States of America,
and that's why in the book Before the Mayflower, which

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arrived in sixteen twenty larone Bennett, the late great editor
of Ebony and Jet, wrote that the Negro was here
and has a vantage point on the development of the
entire system, unlike any other group of people. I picked
up on that when I wrote the book A More
Perfect Union, after having been in Congress for more than

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six years at that point in nineteen ninety five tw
thousand and one, studying the evolution of the United States
from the perspective of the lens of black people, the
lens of the Negro experience, so sixteen nineteen, that's before
the declaration of independence in seventeen seventy six. That's before
the writing of the Constitution on September seventeenth, seventeen eighty seven.

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That's before the establishment of the federal government, the state government,
and the executive branch of the government. The Negro was here.
Doctor King said, we were here when there were colonies
and there were territories. Because we were here in sixteen nineteen,
and we saw the movement of the nation from colonies,

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states and territories, and yes, even districts, the District of Columbia,
to the idea of the adoption of a constitution on
September seventeenth, seventeen eighty seven. That would then lead through
national discord for the inclusion of individual rights in the Constitution,

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notably the first, the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth,
all the way up to the ninth Amendment. But then
at the last minute, Amendment number ten was added to
the Constitution. Because the original document itself was mostly interested
in property rights, not human rights, a new category of
rights were added to the Constitution, known as states rights.

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Those rights not written affirmatively in the Constitution. Since that
now those rights not written affirmatively in the Constitution or
explicitly in the Constitution are forever rights that are relegated
to the states, States rights, and behind States rights, slave

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holders held their property and slavery continued unabated until, of course,
the American Civil War. The argument that the Southerners and
the Conservatives made as they seceded from the Union after
these shots were fired at Fort Sumter, before Abraham Lincoln
was even sworn in as the sixteenth President of the

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United States, was that they had a states right to
secede from the Union. And Abraham Lincoln made the argument, no,
you do not have a states right to secede from
the Union. As a state, you can't pack up and
leave a compact that we established in seventeen eighty seven
and seventeen ninety one, the Bill of Rights. All the

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while the negro's interests were trapped in this new structure
of government. We watched as slavery went unabated through fifteen
United States presidents, Democrats and Republicans, well not really Republicans, Democrats, Federalists, Whigs,
and Abraham Lincoln, being the first Republican, back and forth
over what to do. How about the question of the

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Negro in America. We watched in the Nebraska Act and
the California Act, one free state and one slave state
added to the Union at a time, adding stars to
Betsy Ross's flag. One America celebrates seamstress, the apolchist, upholsterist,
Betsy Ross putting stars on the flag. But she did
not live to see one free state and one slave

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state being added to the flag. That's the Negro's story
and the Negro's journey. She wasn't here when eleven Southern
states said we no longer want to be part of
Betsy Ross's flag, and we're going to set up our
own country. These Democrats came up with a battle flag
that today is known as the Confederate flag. And so

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through the nation's history, we've gone from states rights to
federal rights, and more increasingly than not all of the
rights that we've had as Americans have been protected by
the federal govern until now, when we come forward, I'm
going to complete opining on this history. Bring in doctor
Peel to Silva on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty, because
we're going to talk about what it means for the

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President of the United States to take over the District
of Columbia by Jesse Jackson Well a word to the
Jesse Jackson June Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Just
before the break, I was opining on how we found
ourselves in this precarious position. So right at the moment

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that Abraham Lincoln becomes the sixteenth President of the United States,
shots are fired in Fort Sumter, South Carolina, and well,
the Civil War is on eleven states by the time
he has actually inaugurated in January of that year, have
already seceded from the Union. Hence is an inaugural address

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and the government that he inherited at the hour that
he became the sixteenth President of the United States through
the Civil War, where more than six hundred thousand Americans
lost their lives. It's still hard to imagine. Six hundred thousand.
That means more Americans lost their lives in the American
Civil War than they did in the Revolutionary War, in

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World War I, World War II, Korean War, Vietnam War,
the Persian Gulf War, the Iraqi Conflict. More Americans lost
their lives in the American Civil War than all American
wars combined. That should give you some sense of what

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the psychology has been around the central issue of race,
the federal government and the states. Most Americans don't interpret
it that way. So as part of that process, the
State of Virginia decided to leave the Union, but the
northern part of Virginia decided not to leave the Union,

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and the state of Maryland also chose to stay in
the Union. However, the state of the Maryland allowed slavery
a precarious position for President Abraham Lincoln. They wanted to
be in the Union, but they were not fighting to
free the slaves. Virginia, under the leadership of General Roberty

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Lee and others, decided to leave the Union to protect
peculiar interest of slavery, but Maryland did not believe that
Virginia had the right to leave the Union even though
they had slaves. This conflict, over a period of time
led to the northwestern corner of Virginia breaking off and

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starting their own state, the state of West Virginia. They
ended up with congressmen. They ended up with two United
States Senate one of whom was Senator Bird. I believe
Senator Bird was in the Senate when I was in Congress.
Senator Bird one of the longest serving United States senators
in history was the Grand Dragon of the ku Klux Klan,

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a United States senator either way. Throughout that process, the
state of Virginia and the State of Maryland agreed that
we should have a seat for the federal government at
the inception of the nation, and they yielded land from
both of their respective states and territories to create Washington,
d C. The District of Columbia, the seat of the
federal government, the home of Abraham Lincoln, to protect his

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coalition of states who chose to stay in the Union.
Abraham Lincoln, when the Civil War began, did not support
the emancipation of the slaves. Why he would not want
Maryland to join Virginia and surround Washington d C. He
would not want Kentucky in other states that allowed slavery

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to join the Confederacy, but they all agreed that those
Southern states did not have the right to secede from
the Union. And there are other states that allowed slavery
but did not believe that the South had the right
to secede, so they stayed in Lincoln's coalition until such

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time there were enough Northern victories, especially the victory at Gettysburg.
Did they understand and did Abraham Lincoln use the opportunity
to remind the nation and bring forthward in a forceful
way that the Union cause and the cause of black
people and their freedom is one and the same. Hence,

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African Americans who were freed in Maryland ended up in
the District of Columbia, moving closer and closer to Lincoln.
And African Americans who escaped from Virginia moved to north
to Washington, d C. To move closer to Lincoln. And
these Lincoln Republicans, these Black Republicans, many of them in
the North, were also in the Massachusetts fifty fourth three

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black people who joined the military to fight against the Confederacy,
arguing that they too were Americans and had the right
to wear the uniforms. And not since the American Civil
War have Confederate forces been in a position to seize
the nation's capital. And that is exactly what Donald Trump

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did by federalizing the local police force and calling upon
the Federal Protective Services, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and
other agencies to provide security under this very hostile takeover
of the nation's capital. This is a very dark moment
for democy, and our very special guest is doctor P. L.

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Da Silva, who has over twenty years of experience of
backroom diplomacy, mediation and negotiation. He has taught politics, international relations,
and several graduate undergraduate programs at universities in New York,
New Jersey, Long Island, Queens, the University of Belfast in
Northern Ireland. Doctor de Silva's publications include postmodern Insurgencies, political Violence,

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Identity Formation, and peacemaking in comparative perspective. I'm going to
be spending a lot of time on the program reiterating
and sharing with you doctor de Silva's resume and his bio.
But doctor de Silva is also a regular contributor on
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, and he called me earlier
today in complete outrage and dismay about what is taking

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place in our nation's capital. Doctor de Silva, welcome forward
to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Doctor. On the show, doctor de Silva, your thoughts about
not only the domestic consequences of what the president has done,
but your thoughts about its consequences for the one ninety
one democracies around the world that copied and emulated the
Constitution of the United States. Right.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
So, in short, what the Trump administration has done is
that it has framed the takeover of Washington DC as
a response to urgent crime issues, which is a lie.
Critics and many critics view this as an authoritarian overreach,

(12:36):
I repeat, authoritarian overreach, which is particularly politically motivated and
poorly justified in the context of DC's actual public safety concerns. Now,
having said that, I'd like to give you some of
the major criticisms of the Trump policy and takeover of Washington,

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d C. The first one is that there is a
lack of justification. Crime is actually declining. It's at a
historic law. It's set a thirty year low the crime
statistics in Washington DC. So DC officials have emphasized that

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violent crime is not rising, I repeat, not rising. It
reached a thirty year historic law last year and has
continued dipping in twenty twenty five. And you don't, you know,
think that I'm speaking the gospel. Go and look at

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the Washington Post, for example, and you can see, you
know that this is actually true. It's not a falsehood,
but it's the truth. The unwarnished truth that President Trump
does not want to hear. Analysts also argue that the
emergency decoration is based on sensationalized incidence rather than broader trends.

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Again look at the Washington Post. Number two of the
major criticisms is that it is undermining local authority and
home rule, the state's rights that Jesse Jackson Junior laid
out so succinctly, the whole historical, you know, build up

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to the establishment of Washington d C. So local leaders
in Washington d C decry the move as a manufactured
intrusion on local authority. I repeat again, it's a manufactured
intrusion on local authority by the Trump administration. It violates

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d c's limited home rule. Again, you can you can
do the research for yourselves and see, you know, what
I'm saying is actually fact based. DC Council member Charles
Allen has labeled it an i quote extremely dangerous, outrageous,

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and dangerous unquote, stressing that the National Guard lacks training
for community policing and that the city has already achieved
a fifty two percent drop in violent crime. Congresswoman Elena
Holmes Norton called it an i quote an egregious assault

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on DC home rule unquote, and accused the administration of
cherry picking outdated statistics. The third major criticism is militarization,
civil rights and historical echoes. Critics warn that deploying heavily

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armed forces in civilian spaces further militarizers law enforcement, potentially
eroding trust and suppressing civil liberties. I repeat, it's an
attempt to suppress civil liberties. I wouldn't be surprised if

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they would try to make a move to cancel the
midterm elections next November, knowing full well that President Trump
and the Republicans would lose. So these are the things
that we the public, the American public, need to be
fully cognizant of. We are on the slippery slope, and

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the rhetoric and actions are seen to echo race crime
narratives historically used to justify aggressive state interventions in black
and brown communities. I will repeat that for the audience.

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The rhetorican actions are seen as an echo of racist
crime narratives historically used to justify aggressive state interventions in
black and brown communities. And the third point is that
the ACLU and other civil rights leaders express concern that

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this is a politically motivated tactic by the Trump administration
rather than a genuine public safety measure. Okay. Finally, the
fourth major criticism is that constitution it concerns constitutional, legal,

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and democratic concerns. The DC Attorney General Brian Schaub called
the action unprecedented, unnecessary, and unlawful. Again, I repeat, unprecedented, unnecessary,
and unlawful. And this is the DC Attorney General, Brian Schwall.

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Constitutional scholars questioned. Okay, constitutional scholars are questioning whether extending
control beyond thirty days, even if legally permissible, would be
constitutionally irresponsible and politically dangerous. Why politically dangerous? Remember Jesse

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Jackson Junior mentioned that six hundred thousand Americans died in
the Civil War, more than all the combatants put together
in all the wars that the US has fought. And
therefore that is why it is politically dangerous. And the

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third and final point is that some analysts interpret the
move as potentially setting a precedent for federal overreach into
other cities under a dubious public safety rationale. So let

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me sum it up. Okay, some of this as follows.
What is the issue? Crime trends criticism is crime is
at a historical law no emergency justification. Point number two
Home rule and governance. The criticism is that it overt
overturns local autonomy, It violates d c's limited self governance.

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Point number three militarization, It risks eroding civil trust and
promoting aggressive law enforcement. Point number four civil rights. Things
that Jesse Jackson Junior's father, Martin Luther King, so many

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of the greats have stood and fought for in this
country as far as civil rights is concerned. It echoes
racist strokes, racist fears among marginalized communities, and finally legal
and constitutional. The criticism is that moves seen as unwarranted,

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potentially unconstitutional, and politically driven. We are hammering in the nails,
the nails into the coffin of what used to be
the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior
Show on Kblog keep KBA Late Talk fifteen eighty. When
we come forward more with doctor Peel the Silva. It's
tenacious Tuesdays on the Jesse Gas Juniors Show on Jesse
Gason Junior Aptvia Late Push fifteen eighty. If you think

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doctor p l DA Silva is laying down the tracks
in our next hour on Tenacious Tuesdays, is none other
than Attorney Barber Arnwine, President and founder of the Transformative
Justice Coalition, internationally renowned for contributions on critical justice issues,
including the passage of landmark civil rights legislation. Doctor de Silva,

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welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Doctor de Silva is an experienced director with a demonstrated
history of working in think tanks, industry and academia, the
United Nations political and military affairs CTCVE stabilization operations, and
the private sector financial services, particularly oil and gas, skilled
and research, political risk analysis, geostrategy, cultural diplomacy, humanitarian action,

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and global affairs involving war effect that deeply divided societies.
Doctor de Silva is our very special guest in this hour,
and I hope you'll hang around with us for part
of the second hour on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Doctor de Silva, just before the break, you were laying
out for us the gravity of the President's decision to

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seize control of Washington, DC.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yes, but I have a strong suspicion that President Trump's
strategy has always been to deflect and distract. I do
believe that it is certainly serious that he's taken control

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of Washington, d C. But you have to look around
him to see what's happening. As a clamoring among his
faithful for release of the Epstein files, he's managed to
keep those documents sealed. And I also have a sneaky

(23:10):
suspicion that President Trump could actually be using these these
Epstein files and the people who habituated his island, who
come from Capitol Hill, he may be using this to

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blackmail them to kneel to his bidding. So these are
some of the other things that we don't see from
all the sound and the noise. So yes, I'd like
to recap the issues.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
At stake.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Of what he has said is, you know, it's because
of crime. It's because of crime, We're going to take
over DC. The crime trends are at a historical thirty
year low, and there's absolutely no emergency justification. Number one
number two home rule and governance. His actions overturns local

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autonomy and it violates d c's limited self governance.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
So doctor de Silver, it literally violates the very tenth
Amendment the states writers and the historical slaveholders and property
interests have used to protect their local interests in clumbing
but not limited to human channel. In this particular case,
he's abandoning the philosophy of states rights where he does

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not believe ideologically in the intervention of the federal government
in states or in local affairs. To give you some
idea of just the arc that he had to achieve
to distract us from the Epstein Isles means he is

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willing to overcome the historical arc that racists themselves have
used to justify slavery, have used to justify a separate
and unequal society by shifting our attention to the unprecedented
engagement of the federal government in local affairs and not
just DC is now talking about Baltimore, Chicago, San Francisco,

(25:33):
where they already I think have well, certainly Los Angeles,
but they're also thinking about Oakland, California, and other locations.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
It just shows how desperate the man is. This is
a felon how many counts thirty.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Two counts thirty four.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
And he's running out of roadway and he's coming to
a breakpoint, and he wants to divert the traffic. He
wants to go somewhere else to divert the attention American
people and his supporters very importantly.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Doctor de Silva, is it your contention that there is
something so devastating in the Epstein files that he is
kicking and screaming in every conceivable direction to start some
kind of conflict, some kind of chaos on a scale

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that we, the American people, have never seen, to divert
our attention away from what could be coming out if
in fact those files are released.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Definitely, most definitely, and in today's day and age, you know,
you can't keep these things secret. I think he knows
that as well as you and I and everybody who's listening.
So therefore he's going to be a wrecking ball, human
wrecking ball to destroy everything in this country that is valuable,

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from the Constitution to the federal government system. He's dismantling things,
and Project twenty to twenty five is insidious and the
Heritage Foundation should be chastised for participating in this whole thing.
You spoke about, Senator Bird. This is worse than Senator

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Bird being the grand you know, Wizard of Dragon of
the Ku Klux Klan. They are destroying everything that's good
in our country, from medicaid to cancer research, to vaccines,
to the Education Department, to you name it, Usaid, the

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State Department. The United States standing on the global stage
has been dismantled. And it's all about one man's ego
and the fact that he has shackled the Republican Party
to him, probably using the Epstein files to good effect,

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because Lord only knows the perversions that were played out
on Epstein's island and on his aircraft, etc. Et cetera.
And who else is complicit. We need fresh blood, We
need new people in politics. We need younger people with

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a moral compass. We don't want all these old fogies
who are corrupt to the gills. We don't want them, seriously.
We want young people, I agree.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I hopefully are not young people with some kind of
historical palm line or some kind of reference on what
needs to move the nation forward. Doctor Silva, I know
we're going to be coming forward in just about a minute,
in thirty seconds. I want to go back to this
idea that there is something so devastating in the Epstein
files that the president is literally losing sleep and looking

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for any kind of distraction right now. It's DC, could
be other cities, but it could be more devastating than that.
Presidents have been known to triangulate and create global wars
and conflicts when their very next are on the line.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
So from what I can see, it's sexual perversions of
the worst kind, pedophilia, having sex with underage women and men.
Maybe who knows what kind of perversions went on in

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that island. And you also have to look at the
track record of President Trump. Look at all the fellers
that he's letting off. You know, they're all being released
from or reduced sentences. It's it's it's a it's a
felon's paradise in the White House.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson
Junior Show. We are having a very deep conversation with
doctor p. L. Da Silva discussing what could be and
comparing it to with what we know is the president
shall take over of the nation's capital, the District of Columbia,
and it as deflection. The President is using for the

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sole purposes of deflecting the personal files and his personal
involvement in the Epstein files. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior Woman
Come forward more on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty with doctor P. L.
Da Silva. Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome forward to the Jesse
Jackson Junior Show. My verries, my show guest. Nothing on

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to Nations Tuesdays. Then Doctor P. L. The Silva, who
has twenty years of experience or more in back room diplomacy,
mediation and negotiation. He's taught politics and international relations in
several graduate and undergraduate programs at universities in New York,
New Jersey, Long Island and Queen's University of Belfast in

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Northern Ireland. He is co founder, with Professor W. D. Lakshman,
former Vice Chancellor of the University of Colombo, of the
International War Related Drama and Humanitarian Intervention Trust, setting up
psychosocial training programs for practitioners serving combatants non combatants during

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Sri Lanka's Civil War. Doctor de Silva, welcome forward to
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Once again.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Thank you, it's my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
So doctor Silva, I do I do have this question
that's lingering in my mind because my work on the Constitution,
which includes ten years of study of the people's faith
in the Constitution of a book I wrote titled the
Finger of God, a word construction that I found in
the Constitution. I've discovered that of the one hundred and

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ninety one constitutions around the world that mirrored the United
States Constitution that won, there's no finger of God in it.
But there's also in those democratic republics. No history to
the best of my knowledge, can't get through all one
hundred and ninety one of the democratically elected president engaging

(32:34):
in the kind of authoritarian activities that we're seeing with
Donald John Trump under the American Constitution. Could this moment
encourage other democratic presidents, democratically elected by the people to
engage in this kind of authoritarian behavior, Oh.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Most definitely. And that's the that's the the sad part
of it that the United States has so much of
sway in the world, not just only you know, American culture,
from from blue jeans to Levi's to you know, hamburgers
and fries and whatnot. Right, that's the cultural side, But

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politically and militally, the US has has had since the
end of World War Two, a tremendous you know monopoly
almost of everything that goes on in the world at large,
and we have eight hundred military bases scattered around the world.

(33:42):
And yeah, people do take the United States seriously, and unfortunately,
with a demagogue as a president sitting in the White House,
it just only gives further impetus for other demogogues in

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the rest of the world. And that is a problem
because we are going to see more and more authoritarianism
and dictatorial policies in other parts of the world thanks
to Donald Trump and his deflection and distraction campaign undermining

(34:26):
the US constitution. So that's what others are going to
try to do as well. They will also undermine their
constitutions and you will have one man rule, and that
is bad for everyone because then we are at the
mercy of the whims and fancies of an old man.

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You don't know how you know, the cognition capabilities, you know,
cognition declines, and there are going to be lots of
old men in politics running countries. Maybe not in Humber
in ninety one countries, but in many countries. So this
is the problem. It's like having a mafia don in

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the White House, you know, because crime is going hand
in hand, you know, criminality, felony. He's going hand in
hand in what passes off as politics.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I am I am moved by the argument that you
made that we could be seeing this kind of gangsterization.
Doctor Cornell West refers to the White House itself that
Donald Trump is a gangster. Yep, that's what doctor West
thinks of the President of the United States. He may
not be too far from the truth. Certainly, the way

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he's treated the courts, Certainly, the way he's treated members
of Congress. Certainly, the political retribution that he's engaged in,
not only against his opponents but against his own friends.
It's almost as if he assigns Luca Brozi to chase
down members of Congress who don't carry his water. He

(36:09):
threatens them, they decide not to run for Congress again,
they decide not to run for the United States Senate again.
He puts candidates in their races. And so there is
a you know, I've never seen the impotence of the
US government for a federal officials who's a felon, who's
a felon. They've come guns ablazing in the past with

(36:34):
all of their unlimited resources to stop this kind of
tyranny from taking place, and in this moment, it just
feels like the government itself is handicapped to do anything
about the President and his lawlessness.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
And that's why I said, I strongly suspect that the
Stein's fans are being used nefariously to make these senators
and others on Capitol Hill and in the federal government
to kneel and cases ring in true Godfather style. And

(37:14):
it's happening public servants who are supposed to work for
the greater good of the American people in the American
context are not doing so. It really beggars belief. And
you know what have we got to show for us?
I mean, all these tariffs, all this craziness. You know

(37:38):
who's going to pay all of this? It's ultimately the
bucks doesn't stup with Donald Trump, He's going to pass
it on to us. We're going to have to pay.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
I think it's safe to assume, doctor de Silba, with
what we've seen in Donald Trump. And I know I'm
going on on a deep limb here that Donald Trump
has a file on everybody. I'm willing to take my
life on it. He has a file on everybody. And
interestingly enough, those of us who have a public file
are actually the known entities in this fight, in this struggle.

(38:11):
I know my good friend who's now deceased, Larry Flint
used to collect information on people full time who were
out there. And remember he used to put a bounty
on people's heads and Hustler magazine and half of Washington
would be scared to death because Larry Flint might show
them as the hustler of the month or expose them

(38:34):
in some kind of way, shape, or form. So you
better believe if you are a closeted homosexual in Washington, DC,
donald Trump knows it. You better believe if you are
a United States senator or a congressman who drinks too much,
who talks too much, who operates outside of the moral code,

(38:55):
that Donald Trump probably has some information on you. This
is a black The darkest and ugliest of sciences is blackmail.
To get someone in a blackmail and to hold them
and dance them around as a puppet. Maybe what the
nation itself is experiencing right now. We don't understand the

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nature of blackmail and what blackmail really really does to
the truth. It is so dark, it is so evil,
It is so insidious that its consequences can literally overturn
a government, doctor de Silvill, we have two hours. I
know you're going to be with me in the next hour,
but your thoughts about where we're going as a nation

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two minutes.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
So it is extortion, right. But I was talking. I
talk at length with the dear friend of mine, Rear
Admiral Norman Robert Hayes, who was the first African American
admiral coming out of US Naval Intelligence. He was the
Pentagon briefer at the White House. He was the director

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of the National Security Agency's Operations Center at Fort Mead.
He retired as Director Intelligence at European Command. He worked
under A World Stavridis. And what Norman told me with
the dear brother, and what he told me is that Pierre,
I do believe that we America, we need to go

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through this cathartic process if we are to come out.
It's like a cleansing. And we are seeing all the filth.
The darkest of things is we are seeing it on
our screens. We are seeing everything what's going on. There's

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no polite niceties anymore. So he said this is something
that is necessary for us to go through. And he
said this too shall pass. Donald Trump will not be
there for and when he's gone, it'll take at least
thirty years to risk soupe the US Constitution and the

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federal government.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
You're going to be with me in the next hour
of Jesse Jackson Junior. You've been listening to keith Nee
Talk fifteen eighty on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Welcome
forward to Jess Tacks up on Key really eighty. I'm
Jesse Jackson Junior, and in this hour on tenacious Tuesdays,
is our most tenacious contributor. Attorney Barber Arnwine, President and

(41:33):
founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, internationally renowned for contributions
and critical civil rights issues, including the passage to the
landmark Civil Rights Act of ninety one the two thousand
and six year authorization of provisions of the Voting Rights Act. Currently,
she also serves as co chair and facilitator of the
National Commission for Voter Justice, the Millennial Votes Matters Campaign

(41:55):
and Convenience, and the Voting Rights Alliance. Attorney Arnwine, Welcome
forward to Jesse Jackson Junior Show. It's great to be here,
which is really your show. In the second hour on
Tenacious Tuesdays, Attorney Arnold, we had an amazing guest in
the first hour who is actually still with us, doctor P. L.
Da Silva, And we really want to continue the conversation

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by getting your take on the extraordinary actions of the
President of the United States seizing control of the District
of Columbia and what its implications are from your perspective,
Doctor de Silva. This is Attorney Barbara Arnwine, Attorney Arnwine,
the show is all yours.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Well, I have been talking about this issue all day long,
all yesterday all I just want people to understand how
severe lee rome headed and hypocryptical and absolutely unnecessary the

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actions are of the president. I mean, we talk all
the time about his overreach of executive authority. We talk
all the time about his lack of respect for constitutional
constraints upon the three separation of powers. We talk all
the time about his abuse of power. Well, here he

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goes again, and this time he is doing all three
of those things and more. I mean, because this time
he's rolled out a monstrous, absolutely monstrous refrain of hate
against the homeless.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
I mean, come on, now, how do you decide that
a state of emergency exists because people are homeless in
your capital?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
And they quote you want your capital to look beautiful,
so you don't want them around. What kind of nonsense
is that. I mean, that's like somebody who thinks they're
playing you know, cowboys and you know old school stupid
cowboys and Indians are with dolls, and I mean, it's
just it's a child's vine. It's not a statesman's mind.

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It's not a ruler's vine. It's somebody who is either
drunk or raw power or absolutely incompetent.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
And Doctor de Silva, we have about three minutes before
we come forward. But I can actually see in the
minds of the founding fathers and in the various congresses
from the inception of the nation to the to this moment,
where the President of the United States might need some
of the powers that he is executed. If we were

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invaded by Russia or Nazi Germany and had to coordinate
a national response beeping Nazis from taking over DC, or
if I put my science fiction hat on, I can

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imagine the President of the United States invoking all kinds
of powers we've never heard of to fight the aliens
and they're flying saucers, but along with the ray guns,
I can see that what I can't imagine Barbara is
the President of the United States using this power and
authority on homeless Americans.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
And let's be very clear, folks, his powers are not
unconstrained here. There's something called the Home Rule Act that
sets out the parameters of his powers. He can only
attempt to take over law enforcement if if there is
an emergency, and the question is where is the emergency?

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That's correct because he's lying through through his teeth. He's
talking about the two killings, and at the embassy a
couple of months ago, he's talking about his friend Elon
Musk Big Balls, getting roughed up in an altercation, and
he's talking about an in turn that was killed. You

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know what he You know what's so fascinating about this
go back to January sixth, everybody, when folks were saying,
call in the national guard. What did he say about
calling in the national guard when we had a real emergency,
people tearing up the capitol and he was saying, well,
you know, I need the mayor to tell me to
call him in. Remember, everybody, remember, was all her fault

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because he never called in the national Guard. And now
he's just gonna a rough shot this when the twenty
people were killed in l Castle twenty twenty. I want
to at the Walmark in El Pastle. What did he say?
He talked about the tragedy of it all. He talked

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about his sympathy for his poor friend the governor Abbot
of Texas, his poor friend Ken Paxton of Attorney General
of Texas. He talked about all of that. But what
he never talked about was bringing in the National Guard.
Come on, let's talk about the tree of life. A

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senagogue killed him in twenty eighteen when he was president also,
and what did he say then? He talked about how
it was a synagogue's fault for not having an armed guard. Remember,
and this is where eleven people were killed, folks. But
he never talked about bringing in a national guard. But
I just want people to understand how out of bounds,

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how ridiculous the lies he's telling to try to justify
what is nothing but an ugly, evil, inhumane, cruel, vicious
tack upon the people of DC. And have you seen
these posters and graphics they've been circulating. Have you noticed

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one thing about it?

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I've only noticed it. I've only noticed.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
That face is black, black, black.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I've only noticed that it's time for our break. I'm
Jesse JACKSONLA Talk fifteen eighty. You're listening to the Jesse
Jackson Junior Show. It's Tenacious Tuesdays with Barbara Arnwine and
when we come forward more with our special guest, doctor P. L.
D Silva. I'm Jesse Jackson. So you're welcome forward to
Tenacious Tuesdays with the Attorney Barbara online where we are
on the grind on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty and our

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very special guest is doctor P. L. Da Silva. Attorney Arnwine,
if you might yield me the time for just a
moment to ask a question to doctor d. Silva, Doctor
de Silva, the President of the United States, and I
know that you have some training and working with the
various alphabet agencies, particularly on the military side, in terms
of strategies. It just seems to me that the President

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of the United States, if I put my military school
hat on, my parents sent me to military school from
the sixth to the ninth grade, along with my younger brother,
Jonathan Jackson, who is now a US representative. Let me
put my military school hat on for a moment. So
he's prepositioned troops in Los Angeles. He's now prepositioning troops

(49:19):
in the nation's capital. There is talk under the guise
of crime where the statistics are actually going down to
preposition troops in multiple cities across the United States. And
in the last hour, you actually said this, and I
want Barbara Arnwein to respond after you offer exactly what

(49:41):
you just said. You said, I wouldn't be surprised if
there were not a mid term in twenty twenty six.
What are we potentially looking at right now, doctor Decilla.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
We are looking at authority or reach is deflecting and
distracting us from the Epstein files. He is he knows
and his friends of the Heritage Foundation and the Republicans,
they all know that come the midterm elections, they're going

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to get thrown out, okay, and they are going to
try to stop that by hook or by crook. And therefore,
placing military officers, you know, who have to adhere to
a chain of command is actually very tricky, very precarious,

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and we need to be cognizant, we the American people,
because at the end of the day, this is our country.
It's not their country. It's our country, okay. And having
a gangster in the White House is neither here nor there.
This country belongs to us, and we need to make
sure that whatever happens in this last three and a

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half years that's left for him is that we need
to do damaged limitation so that when he's gone, thankfully,
we could start the process, the slow process of reconstruction, reconstructing.
What the damage done to the constitution, damage done to
the federal government, damage done to the education ministry, to

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the universities, to the tourism industry. But God said, people
don't want to come to America anymore. This is the
Trump negative effect. We need to exhaust ourselves of this man,
this horrid man, who is truly an ugly American.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Let me just ask Attorney Arnline, doctor Arnwine, doctor de
Silva invoked the idea of potentially a new reconstruction. But
we know from our history that between first reconstruction and
second reconstruction, there's usually this ugly period known as Jim
Crow some form some Jim Crow two point zero, some discrimination,

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some resegregation, some chaos that ultimately led to the civil
rights movement that culminated at one level or another or
initiated came together in Brown, and then the sixty four
Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and those critical
pieces of legislation that laid the foundation for our present Barbara,

(52:34):
we run the risk of the President of the United
States having troops in every major blue city in the
United States, and many of these states are not blue
but for these cities.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
And if he could, he would you know that, you know,
that's the issue. If he could, he would you know,
one of the everyone I can tell you, I can
guarantee you They're polling data is horrid. It's in the
trash can right now. They're desperate, they're pulling data is

(53:08):
so bad that they're losing their minds. Now about twenty
twenty six. People remember the election is November in twenty
twenty six, and they're already losing their minds because they're
seeing polling data that's telling them that they are going
to get trunched bad. So he's trying to find something, something, something,

(53:36):
I mean, you know, he thought he had it going on,
because you know, he's been teflon, just like Reagan was.
You know, nothing's stuck, no matter how bad it was.
And all of a sudden, out of nowhere comes the
Epstein again something that he pushed and his people pushed
this whole you know, maniac piece and gaining all the

(53:59):
rest of them. I mean, this was them and uh,
somehow you never thought, because of the teflon effect, that
it would ever stick to him, And now people are. Uh.
And the problem with a with a with a with
a cult that has surrounded him is that once the

(54:19):
the the cracks start happening in the in the idol
When you start seeing cracks and the idolist should be perfect, uh,
you start having all kinds of questions, all kinds of
depth doubts start happening. And so what they're seeing now
is not just the f Stein issue. But people are wondering, well,

(54:43):
if if this isn't right, then what else have we
been told that was wrong? There are so I think,
you know, we're seeing uh as cold ish as his
folks are. You know all the psychological studies that have
been done about the vengeful folks who just want to
hurt people. I mean, we've seen all this stuff, the
white suprematent and Savery's thing. But he now is feeling

(55:07):
vulnerable in a way that he can. He knows the
corporate sector has no intention of creating jobs. Nothing. They're
not about creating no new jobs. They don't want to
pay benefits. They gotta robatize everything they can put their
hands on. They have no intention of creating jobs. He
knows that prices are off the chain. I went to

(55:30):
the ground to the grocery store, Jesse. I thought I
had it going on. I had there one hundred and
twenty eight dollars worth of q pons. I said, oh,
I'm in good shape. Hundreds of dollars way pocket. I
was so whipped, and I mean, as essential items are

(55:54):
so high, you know, anything that's papers off the chart,
not to talk about the eggs and other stuff. And
it was horrible. I couldn't believe the bill. And I
looked around and I saw something that I hadn't seen before.
You know, the carts that normally are you know, huge
and more than one two carts, I saw only one cart.

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And I saw the kinds of food people were buying.
And you realize this is what you call stretch food. Right,
you are poor, you know what stretch food looks like.
And so I just think that they they know they
got a problem housing costs. The young folks are you know,
waking up and saying, wait a darm minute, where's my jobs?

(56:42):
Where's my home? I can't afford nothing. You know, it's
it's a you know, this is the problem. And what
we know is that the only way you can work
this out is by a real restructuring of our economy, right,
and restructuring of of of the you know, overall reality.

(57:03):
But but he's played the Bay blame game. He's not
all he can the you know, blame the immigrants, uh,
and the you know, the the mean the Latino community.
So now he's turned his his power as firing power
on black folks where he always has been.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Let me ask, let me ask doctor de Silva, question
if I if I can Barbara, because this is he's
going to be with us, just for a few more minutes,
doctor de Silva. Normally, in the mid term elections, American
people measure a president's progress by whether or not they
grant a incumbent president the House of Representatives.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
There is this sense that under the present lines of
the descential year twenty twenty, that Democrats under those lines
could pick up enough seats to put some constraints on
the president of the United States. We see this activity
in Texas. We see California's reaction to the activity in

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Texas and possibly Illinois, New York, New Jersey and other
states that ultimately could tamper with the Voting Rights Act
of nineteen sixty five to create quote unquote more Democrats.
The question I have is when we look at the
desperation of the President of the United States, he also
snatched just last week or two weeks ago, the head

(58:25):
of the Bureau of Labors to tell or giving job
quots that weren't favorable to what he thought they should be.
And normally people vote in the midterm elections based upon
how they feel economically. Yes, how is it, doctor de Silva,
and then Attorney Arnwine, how is it that we can

(58:48):
believe our own feelings about our own economic position and
condition going in the twenty twenty six especially when I
listen to barber Arnwine tells me that she took one
hundred and twenty dollars of cop ponds into the or
left with sardines and crackers, talk to the silver.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Hundreds of dollars four.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
The so.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
So I don't know when in a when in a
we're in a very bad place, people, we really are
in a banned place, and and the economy.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
The economy doesn't matter in twenty twenty six. I mean,
are we saying vote because this guy is undermining democracy
in twenty twenty six or is it about bacon and
eggs or is it both?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
No, he's put he's put somebody from the Heritage Foundation
into that position in the Labor Department, and they're not
now not going to put any statistics out anymore, right,
he said no more so, we're not even going to
be able to measure this. So this is all kind
of stalinist tactics. You know, they're going to try to

(59:57):
to stop any kind of assessment, analysis or evaluation of
the economy, and also with regard to you know, policies, politics, education.
He's dismantling all these things because he wants to hoodwink everybody.

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And that's what he and his friends in the Heritage
Foundation have all cooked up with this project twenty twenty five.
It's really a crying shame. This used to be a
great country. Now even the tourists don't want to come.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
And my daughter has left the country and I can't
believe it. I've been trying to coax her to come
back but she's like, Dad, let this period pass, doctor Arnwine,
you have about three minutes before we come forward.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
My dad always said when I was a kid, I
didn't quite understand him, and I just wish he were
alive now and I could benefit from his wisdom. But
he always would say, racism will destroy America. And he
always said, Barbara, this kind of hate is going to

(01:01:07):
bail over at some point, and it's going to destroy
this country. And the problem that the US has is
that all of these problems require a sense of brotherhood
and community to solve. But because of the whole dynamic
of owning the whole white political power artificially at any cost,

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which is what we're up against, they refused to address
the underlying problems. You know, while we're talking about these
folks who have been who have you know, violently valiantly left,
you know, Texas to stop the revolt, you know, to
stop the redistricting. Did you read that Texas just in

(01:01:58):
the last two months eliminated two million people off of
Medicaid two million, two million, million million. So we need
to understand that all of these real issues that make
a country great, that help people result are being addressed
because they rather do hate, they rather do smokes the

(01:02:20):
mirror because they're so worried about losing white political control.
That's all they think about racial control. And we need
to know that even if Trump wasn't here, there would
be somebody else. This whole country has not come to
reconcile itself, you know they you mentioned reconstruction. Reconstruction fails

(01:02:45):
when you don't have real reconciliation, right. That was the
one thing Desmond too too. And you don't know a
Mandela and everyone learn from looking at the US is
that if you don't have real reconciliation, you can't build.
And and that's the danger here said. We keep coming

(01:03:06):
up with excuses, blaming anybody we can and not dealing
with the fact that until we have racial justice, you
can't have a democracy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I want to I want to thank doctor Peel da
Silva who has joined us in the second hour. Doctor
d Silva, you had a burning desire on your heart
and our platform is definitely available to you. I can't
wait to see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Thank you, Thank you very much, God bless you both.
Nice to meet too, very nice to you too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
I'm Jesse Jackson listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Our very special guest in this hour is none other
than doctor Attorney Barbara Arnwine. She is on the grind
when we come forward on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty
more with Attorney Barbara Online Jesse Junior to Jesse Jackson
Junior eighty It is tenacious two days where we are

(01:03:56):
on the grind with Attorney Barbara Arnwine. Barbara is the
president of the Transformative Justice Coalition. She is known in this
nation as one of the nation's top leaders in civil
rights civil rights legislation. She is the go to person
not only on street heat, but also in the area
of the courts and Congress and critical legislation to protect

(01:04:19):
our rights. Barbara, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Thank you for having me back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Barbara. I've got this crazy theory, and I know that
there's so much more that you want to talk about,
and I'm going to give you the last twenty minutes
of the show to do just that. But I want
to ask you this question. I see the prepositioning of
troops a slow trickle Los Angeles, now in Washington, d C.
Coming to Chicago, coming to Baltimore, coming to Oakland, California,

(01:04:50):
coming to a blue city near you, under the guise
of immigrants, crime, lawlessness, black people, shit, whole countries, people
eat dogs and cats. Whatever it is that he's got
in his little head, his little brain, little pea brain.
I see some kind of of prepositioning of troops that

(01:05:14):
could lead to the invocation of the Insurrection Act and
therefore a power in the presidency we haven't seen in
one hundred, maybe in sixty years. Barbara, I'm trying not
to be anxious about this, but I feel something is
a mist and a foot. This ain't going nowhere. And

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this is what day two hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
And Desperation makes you do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
God bless you. Desperation will make you sneeze, that makes
you do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
And people got to remember that in twenties, in twenty sixteen,
when he was running for office, he kept talking about
what Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Philadelphia, that's what he did.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Come on now that he was Houston. He was talking
about all those cities had Baltimore, all those cities had
one thing in common, black folks at Chicago. And here
he goes again, it's not just blue because he's focusing
on blaxities. So let's be clear that if he can

(01:06:41):
whatever he can do to suppress the vote, if he
can intimidate people, kill him out, scare the hell out,
you know, purge their votes. Whatever he can come up with,
he's gonna try to do. And our fight right now,
I was talking to some friends of mine about this
early today. Our fight right now is to we gotta

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be like our foref parents. They knew what the battle was,
and they understood their assignment in that battle, and their
assignment was to make sure that we did what we
had to do because the enemy's gonna always come up
with every tactic they can come think of. If you
think you haven't seen devilment, you just wait because they

(01:07:27):
gonna come up with some new stuff. As imperative on
us to say that we know how to work our
way around the madness, but but it requires units, It
requires you know, a certain degree of creativity and innovation

(01:07:49):
and a whole lot of courage. And I just you know,
nothing that we've ever done in this country was handed
to us. We had the fight claw I mean, we
had to go through hell to get to anywhere. Every
time you say, you know, first reconstruction, second reconstruction. None
of that was painless. People were massacred. It was horrible.

(01:08:13):
We just can't you know, Look, you know you can't
go to Montgomery and not see all the martyrs from
the sixties. Uh, you know, on the various memorials.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
I just want people to know that it takes a
lot to fight for when you got enemies set against you.
But this country cannot stay stay in this kind of
on this hamster wheel.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
That is hard, Barbara. He has used he has used
this moment to divert our attention away from the Epstein files.
And now my attention because of his diversion is now
focused on Washington, d C. So is yours, and so
is others.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
See, the problem is that the problem is Jesse. The
problem is that this darn Epstein thing had stay in
power like you ain't never seen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
That's I get that. So he's diverted.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
They don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
He's diverted us from Epstein. Now me to divert us
from Epstein DC now using d C as the kind
of wag the dog. I get it. Now. The question
is to you, Barbara, what should we be focusing on
other than Epstein? Other than the diversion that we are

(01:09:30):
losing sight of right now, because it too is part
of the diversion.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
But one thing I love is that people are so smart,
and I love the fact that people have been saying
on social media the correct thing. All of this nonsense
about d C takeover, None of that would be happening
if Congress did his job. If Congress had passed d

(01:09:58):
C statehood. You know the better than me. You've been
in the Congress, you considered these issues. If Congress passes
d C statehood, then none of this is an issue
in the sense of he can't just, you know, laterally
dictate what's gonna happen. He would have to go through

(01:10:19):
the same battles he's going through right now in Los
angelesen in California trying to keep troops there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
So there's not there's an opportunity to educate people about
DC statehood. He should have had two United States Senators
Eleanor Holmes Norton always should have had the power to vote.
It should be fifty one stars on the flag, and
it required a simple Democratic majority in the United States Congress,

(01:10:47):
a simple United majority in the United States Senate, and
Barack Obama could have signed it. Joe Biden could have
signed it. They didn't sign it. We don't have d
c as the fifty first state or Puerto Rico as
the fifty second state, which would have given us four
United States senators fifty two stars on the flag. And

(01:11:11):
we would be looking at an entirely different world if
the Democratic Party wasn't sitting on its ass.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
And if and if well stated and if I mean,
come on cinema and manson Democrats. The one thing the
Freedom Caucus got clear. I mean when when the Freedom Caucus.
You were there, the high, high, high period of Freedom Caucus,

(01:11:39):
and there they had one goal is that we're going
to have a totally if it's going to be Republican,
it's got to be on our same line. We got
to be united on one thing. We don't care how
hateful it is, we don't care how stupid it is,
but we gonna be united on it, and we're gonna,

(01:12:02):
you know, do everything we can to get raw power
and control. And they and the Democrats have not had
that Freedom Caucus moment yet. They just haven't had it. Uh,
nobody said you don't run as a Democrat if you
ain't a Democrat, but right now, if you're not a
maga I on the Republican side, you can't win anything.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Listen, if you run for office right now spouting Democratic
Party talking points, you're gonna lose. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior.
This is the Jesse Jackson Junior Show you're listening to
on the Grind with Barbara ar Wine on Tenacious Tuesdays
on KBLA Talk if teen eight. She's one of the
most popular hosts we have the podcast. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr.

(01:12:47):
Im Jesse Jackson. Forward to the Jackson Joe. I'm Jesse
Jackson Jr. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show
on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. It's Tenacious Tuesday Days with
Attorney Barbara Arnwine where we're on the Grind on Tomorrow. Tomorrow,
DC Councilwoman Genie Louis George is going to be our

(01:13:11):
very special guest in the first hour on the Jesse
Jackson Junior Show with a Teba Conversations with a Tiba,
and I'm so grateful that Tiba's bringing Jenny Is George
to our program. I hope she hangs around two hours.
But either way, I'm glad she's coming because I'd like

(01:13:31):
to know what a council person does when the president
of the United States takes over your city. I mean,
who's responsible for the pots and the pots and the
holes and the garbage and all of the things that
city sidewalks and constituent services. Who's supposed to handle that
if he's running it. You see what it means to

(01:13:53):
be a councilwoman or a council person generally under oppression
of the tyrannical ruler, ruler Donald John Trump. Anyway, Barbara,
welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Good to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Strange and difficult times, Attorney Barbara Arnwine. It's all confusing,
it's all coming so fast, it's all chaotic, and yet
we can count on you because I predicted that one
of our most stead fast fighters in the struggle. And yes,
it has led to a soothsayer factor of predictions.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
I predicted this. I mean, I mean, people wonder why
I don't freak out. I predicted this. Frankly, it's not
as bad as I predicted, but hey, that's all. I
won't say what else I predicted more? Oh No, no, no, no,
I've been giving them some ive deers. Let him double around,

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figure it out. But but we knew that we were
going to get to here. Anybody who thought that this country,
given us racial history, was going to be accepting of
a multi racial democracy, a truly representative, multi racial democracy
without a fight for white political domination, was dreaming. And

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there's been no leadership. There's no party in the United
States with any popularity that talks about that. They only
talk about the other way, which is the fear factor,
fear the other fear, you know. But nobody's talking about, Hey,
this is why we got to get to a multi

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multi racial democracy, this is why this country needs it,
this is what what what solves our problems, this is
what gets us to there. Nobody's talking that because frankly,
they you know, folks are obsessed with white political power
in both parties, right, so, you know, so we got
to be honest about, you know, this dilemma. I always

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thought it would come to this. I always said there
would be a Trump. I didn't know it was gonna
be Trump Trump, but I was predicted somebody like him, uh,
and that he would capture you know, the uh. And
he would be their leader. Uh in these times, what
I had hoped is for another leader on the other side.

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We haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
So the we we're way shorter short of the leadership
we need on the other in opposition. And until we
get that leadership, we can't move to where we need
to be. I mean, we'll we'll be stuck. I mean
we can we can come to some kind of stalemate again,
we can come to you know, some kind of fake

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you know, reconstruction again. But the reality is for us
to really move forward as a country, mark my words,
Mark my words, we must create leadership that is committed
one hundred percent dedicated to a more truly just and
representative and unfettered multi racial democracy. Anything short is failure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
And we and only then do we really talk about
how do we take care of all of us? Only
then do we not talk about, well, we're gonna drive
you know, three hundred and eighteen thousand black women out
of the workforce so we can have jobs for white men, uh,
you know and black you know, uh, you know, only
you know, that's that's that zero sumthin. But if you're

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trying to really address you know, all of America's needs,
then you have a whole different philosophy, but nobody talks
about that. Talk about all the racial any I mean,
all the economic inequality you want to, but until you
talk about this with racial lens, you don't get there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
You know, Barbara, we had a at the very inception
of this show, we had some of the great liberation
theologians of our time on the program, and I asked
all of them the question Doctor Walter Cornell West drinks Bob.

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We asked all of them about this question of why
has there not been another Martin Luther King Jr. And
why has the other side not produced a Martin Luther
King Junior. And we've had some Reverend Thompson female theologians,

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and almost in the latterly they say because they've not
had to They've always been privileged, and so there's been
no Martin Luther King Junior on the white side, a
moral leader, a moral voice to do for them what
doctor King has done for us, or what Gandhi did
for the Indian people, or for people around the world

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with their broader philosophy of non violence. We've not seen that.
But you raise a point that we ought to deal
with in the future. And that is this question that
we are supposed to be. I guess some kind of
minstrels or entertainment in the higher arc that represents white supremacy.

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Where we play basketball, football, tennis, sing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Dance, hip hop, dress stylish.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Dress, stylish for some people at the top to just
kind of watch, laugh at, sing with, enjoy, party with.
They go back to their side of town and do
what they do, make decisions about the world, about the country,
while we participate in a different cultural dynamic where we

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have no political power, no control. We're not equals at
the table of power. WO gotten to that as the
voting right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
They got to talk about that. And by the way,
while we've been on this show today, a major development
just happened. The Supreme Court of the United States just
accelerated the argument in the Kalay case, which is the
you know, racial redistricting case, quote racial gerrymandering redistricting case.

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They just accelerated that argument to guess when they remember
they just start they start on the first Monday of October.
They've accelerated that argument to October to fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Wow, which means they want a what final quarter decision
on the voting rights Act before the midterm elections begin
in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Well, you know, remember they argued the Kalay case already yes,
last term, but they changed the question and that new
question is whether or not racially majority. You know, black
districts are a racial violation to the fourteenth Amendment. So
that's what their new question is. So they totally changed

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it up and they're gonna argue it. So, folks, they're
looking to have something out this year possibly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
So you're saying by twenty twenty six, Barber, there's the
strong public probability we have less than a minute that
there may be no There may be no majority minority
districts in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
It may I'm telling you that's what some of them want.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
I'm Jesse Jackson.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Question is who's got the majority?

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. This is uh, well, it's devastating news.
I wish Barbara had bought it up. At the top
of the hours, it's Jackson Jr.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
For Barbara.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Will be tomorrow, and I'm inviting you back to start
the show when we come hold. We'll talk tomorrow