The Close and The Cause

This Wealthy Wednesday featured healthcare comms expert, John Digles, and Todd Yeary Esq. on the already closing medicaid-dependent medical facilities across economically depressed areas across the country. Attorney Yeary and Jesse discuss life-altering criminal cases that start with probable cause. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jackson Junior.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Looking forward to with Jesse Jackson Junior to go on
Prebla twelve. What a wonderful day it is, What an
extraordinary date it is in the state of California.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
And also a difficult day.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
We just received word that Kamala Harris will not run
for governor of the state of California. She will not
run for governor of the State of California, leaving open
clearly other options for her consideration because she garnered a
tremendous amount of support to the last presidential elections. The
reasons for her decision not to run for governor are

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still unavailable to us at this hour, but it is
breaking news that Kamala Harris will not seek a term
as governor of the state of California. But in my opinion,
she ran one of the best and most effective campaigns
for president of the United States that I have seen
in a very long time. I cut my own legs,

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you will, in my father's campaigns in nineteen eighty four
and nineteen eighty eight, and have essentially participated in every
presidential campaign since that time, including but not limited to
being the national co chair of the last late Senator
with the late Senator Paul Simon of Senator Barack Obama's
campaign for the United States Senate. Barack Obama at that

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time was a state senator. He had lost a congressional
election to Congressman Bobby Rush and he was asked. I
was asked, as a sitting congressman to consider being the
co chairman of the campaign with the late Senator Paul
Simon in two thousand and six. We were very successful
in that campaign. The President elect then asked me in
two thousand and eight to serve as one of his

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national co chairmen of his campaign for president of the
United States in two thousand and eight, and we were
successful in that venture. But every campaign from Gore to
doucaucas you name it. I've been in every presidential cycle,
and I have never seen a presidential cycle quite like
the one that Kamala Harris organized. When Joe Biden withdrew

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from the presidential campaign. We're wishing Kamala Harris the very
best and look forward to more details on her decision
not to run for governor of the state of California,
quite possibly keeping other options open, and I'm certainly interested
in what those options will be. Yesterday, we had a
fairly amazing conversation with Barbara Arnwine and Reverend Dix discussing

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the plight of black men in the electorate. We've received
some feedback. Many young black men have reached us online,
they've reached us personally, and they've simply said that Democrats
are not speaking to their issues. And yesterday we had
an in depth conversation with Reverend Dix and Attorney Barbara Arnwine,

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who is on the grind to save the Voting Rights
Act in nineteen sixty five, which is being threatened and
jeopardized by a number of court decisions, some that came
earlier in the week, strengthening and strengthening and removing from
the process the idea that individuals can file suits against

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some of these changes to the shape of our representation
and the quality of our voices in both the federal
government and state legislatures and only the Department of Justice.
Imagine that am Bondy with a gutted civil Rights division.
They have fired or let go more than seventy lawyers
in the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice.

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And therefore the Voting Rights Act itself, while not talked about,
is something that we need to be concerned about because
during first Reconstructions, Democrats, liberals and conservatives colluded. After the
Fifteenth Amendment, tild In Hayes Compromise and then Plus versus
Ferguson in eighteen ninety six, and even though we had

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elected a little more than a dozen African American men
to the Congress of the United States who were Lincoln
Republicans out of loyalty to Lincoln, just like Martin Luther
King Junior's father was a Lincoln Republican. I think that
was the last generation of Lincoln Republicans that we had
because they believed in an expansive federal government that provided hope,

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opportunity to the newly freed negroes, to the newly freed slave,
to the freedmen. And then after the Tildenays Compromise and
Plus versus Ferguson, there were zero Blacks in Congress by
the end of that century. And it wasn't until the
nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act that African Americans and

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Hispanics and many others were able to gain seats based
upon how districts are drawn to the Congress of the
United States and the Senate of the United States so
that our voices and our history can be heard. And
just a few weeks ago, we got winned in the
state of Texas that they want to read draw four

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African American congressional districts to strengthen along with Donald Trump
Governor Abbott, to strengthen the Republican majority in the Congress
of the United States. Now, everyone knows that at the
end of a at the end of a decade, the
census takes place and then redistricting takes place shortly thereafter.
What's actually happening here is now creating a competition between

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the state of California and the state of Illinois to
respond to what Texas has done, and it could undermine
African American represententation. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to the
Jesse Jackson Junior Show. When we come back on fifteen
eighty we will talk more about these issues along.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
With John Diggles from Jesse Jackson Jr.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Welcome through to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
And that was John.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
This is the executive vice president and Midwest gm of
Mike Worldwide and chairs the firm's health and wellness practice.
Throughout his career, John has helped global companies and new
growth ventures utilize communications as a catalyst for expansion, change,
and transfer. Known for breakthrough ideas, John has led culturally relevant, disruptive,
integrated marketing campaigns that won top industry awards. As a CMO,

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he helped build a startup into an international wellness brand
and negotiated the first Jersey Front sponsorship in North American
professional sports history, a breakthrough deal with Major League Soccer.
John is also an award winning movie producer whose work
has gained critical notice at the Sundance Film Festival and
major festivals worldwide. A less successful effort by the movie

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industry to gain legislative approval of Illinois first visual media
production tax incentive, which attracted major studio projects, generated record
setting production revenue and created thousands of new jobs with
diverse hiring practices. John serves on the Business Advisory Council
at the DePaul University Dryhouse School College of Business and
is an ambassador for the Chicago Economic Club of Chicago.

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John Diggles, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Jesse, It's good to be with you. Thank you, John.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
I'm so glad that you're here listen before we get
to some of the other issues that we will cover
in this hour. Your thoughts on the departure of Kamala
Harris from the California governor's race.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Well, I'd be really interested to see what she does
and what she decides. She's had time to think this
one through. Last time, she was put in the middle
of everything, and she showed us she was ready for anything.
So now it's time to see what is her plan,
how she wants to chart her path. She certainly has
earned that, and we'll be watching and I hope.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
She can take us on a new journey with her career.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
You know, I find it somewhat fascinating when my father
ran for president in nineteen eighty four. When he ran,
he brought new diversity to the Democratic National Committee. In fact,
I was appointed to the Democratic National Committee in either
nineteen eighty four or eighty eight by the party chairman
as a result of my introduction of my father at
the DNC. But he brought with him Arab Americans and

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progress of Jewish Americans and Native Americans and women and
demanded diversity at every level of the DNC. As a
result of his campaign, he even advocated for change of
the chairman of the party itself given the changing demographics,
and Ron Brown, my father's convention co chair in ninth

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chairman in nineteen eighty eight, became chairman of the Democratic
National Committee, a major concession to the millions of new
voters that Jesse Jackson Senior registered in nineteen eighty four
and nineteen eighty eight. It just seems to me that
while she's focusing on her career path and her future,
that given the overwhelming support that African American women showed

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the Democratic National Party in the last election, they did
not abandon the party. They stayed with the Democratic Party,
that her influence in the Democratic Party is not going anywhere.
That she has a broad influence that ought be respected,
and she ought claim some of the ground that she
covered and earned herself.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Absolutely, and we were at the convention in Chicago, and
what we saw, even on a very short runway, was
here was a candidate who knew her issues, she understood
the party, she understood how to absolutely connect there. The
energy in the hall was off the charts, and I
think given the scenario she was put into, she could

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not have performed better as a candidate and you know
so much of that running for president. You've been through this, Jesse,
your family's been through this. It is harder than anybody knows.
Running for office and running political campaigns is really taxing
on a candidate and everyone as part of the process.
It's also really invigorating to be part of that process.

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So I think she set an example on how to
do that and how to run in a short period
of time, and it would be really interesting to see
how she can continue to shape the.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Party and our issues as well.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
We can how the party can better connect with the
electorate and talk about issues that are affecting the electorate economically,
health wise, and deeper in our communities.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
That is exactly the road I want to go down
with you. But I do want to say this on
this program. We've had Jonathan Allen and Amy Parnes, and
a number of post election books have been written showing
some of the infighting and some of the behind the
scenes activity that was taking it was taking place behind
Kamala's campaign that are now and have come to the

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surface about the lack of cooperation from even former President
Joe Biden, delaying his decision not to run and whether
or not he should have run in the first place
and opened up the process so that multiple Democrats could
have been involved in a primary process. Now we have
Hunter Biden coming back in the fold within the last

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week or so criticizing Democrats and those who called for
Joe Biden to step aside. But there seems to be
this misunderstanding or just a dereliction of duty generally that
black women earned their place at the table. Joe Biden
didn't just pick Kamala Harris. We demanded, and black women

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demanded that a black woman be on the ticket. And
if I remember correctly, there was a federal judge that
was being considered who was a black woman.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
There was.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Stacey Stacy Adams. Gay Stacy Adams out of Out of
Georgia has been considered. Susan Rice had been considered, and
then of course Kamala Harris was also part of that consideration,
and their participation also led to the appointment of Katanji
Brown Jackson, so that effort was not lost upon the
people that she brought into the process exactly right and

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should and should not be lost.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
And uh, it was a lot there was a lot
of catching up to do, uh for the party and
for our government in that aspect. So I'd certainly like
to see that momentum continue. It's taking a set back,
certainly had a significant setback so far this year, but
we absolutely have to have more drivers for that kind
of change in the party.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
John, The Democrats are at twenty six percent approval rating
in the last poll that I saw, So all the
negative stuff that's been taking place for the last six
seven or eight months or so since Donald Trump has
been re elected President of the United States, it doesn't
appear to be accruing to the benefit of the Democratic Party,
Jathan John, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Not talking to people on their terms, not talking to
people on terms that matter, Not acknowledging missteps that the
party has made up until this point, not stepping forward
to say, look, we have to.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Clean our own out and make some things right, and then.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Come to people on the right terms, on what is
really happening in their.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Lives with the cost of living, lack of access to healthcare.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Communities being set back. You just don't see that at
the top. It's all about you know, social media bantering
and good equips and comebacks, But what about the people
who voted for you are in the party have been
counting on you. We're just the party just is not
making that connection. And connection matters. It's not just what
you say, it's how you make people feel. Do you

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really care about them and what's happening in their lives.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I had a a great friend on the program a
few weeks ago. His name is John Lesiotis, and John
is an advertising executive now retired. But John has been
kind of the tenth man in my thinking, and he's
honest when he comes on our program about we may
have the right messenger, but we haven't found the right

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I'm sorry. We may have the right message, but we
haven't found the right messengers to deliver the message. It
seems like more political rhetoric, more new faces, more people
are engaging the process, but there seems to be something
that isn't clicking with the people galvanizing around a leader,

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or only one person, by the way, can be president
of the United States at a time. So a leader
who has picked up on the true sentiments of the
American people. I think it was Bill Clinton who said
I feel your pain, and people heard that.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
Any Democratic leaders to feel our pain.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Well, I think you know, I think it's a good point.
It may be the right message. I still think there's
work to do on the message. I think the messengers
have to be authentic. I think that's been a challenge
for the party. And then where we deliver the message
to me, the party has failed. This is not something
you don't just go on podcast two weeks before you
take a vote, go on podcast you've never been on.

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That dialogue has to happen in all of these places
where you might have ignored it. The news media and
consumption of news media has dynamically changed, and there are
so many things we talk about so much less in
rural communities. For example, you know eighty three million Americans
listen to AM radio still, and in rural areas, AM

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radio is the number one. It is like the lifeblood
of getting to them and telling them what's happening in
their communities or what's happening nationally. So the Party is
not putting enough energy into being in the right platforms
and the right places, and so message messenger place we
look to deliver a message and connect and of course

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that authenticity and bro that has to be over everything.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
There's room to repair, regrow, and reimagine at every level.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Here you know, want to I want to kind of
hone in on your expertise where you've cut your teeth
in healthcare. We now have a big, ugly bill that
doesn't come into effect until after the primaries and the
general election of next year, when the pain will really
arrive to the American people on a scale that we

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haven't seen probably since the Great Depression. Now, am I
arguing there's going to be a depression after the midterm elections. No,
I'm just simply saying that they're going to be fewer people,
like as in tens of millions of fewer people receiving Medicaid,
receiving critical snap benefits and critical programs after the election.

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And my sense is, my sense is that Democrats aren't
going to respond as voters in any great numbers until
the pain is actually felt. Tell me if I'm wrong
about that, John.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
No, I think you're right about that, Jesse.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
But I also think the pain will be felt sooner.
I'll tell you what we see so far. Okay, a
lot of hospitals in.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Underserved areas the economics don't work for them.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Now.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
They can already see what the cuts to Medicaid are
going to do for them. So we are already seeing
clinics close because of seeing those.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Cuts come down the road.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
We already see that they couldn't repeal Obamacare, so instead
they're starving Obamacare of resources and funding. So we're already
seeing companies leave the marketplace, and we're already seeing those
premiums go much higher. Fewer companies, smaller pools, higher premiums.

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So I think we're going to see the pain earlier
than the actual bill, when the bill, when the restrictions
come in, and then that pain is going to accelerate.
But you know, I tell anybody in our business, we
know that. You know, when you make these kind of
changes for healthcare, everybody's going to feel it. Everybody's going
to see some increase in premium, some increase in insurance.

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And the reason being is that there's fewer people being
proactively covered, so now more of us have to cover
the higher bills that built on emergency and urgent care,
and that's the most expensive part of healthcare.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Donald Trump and the architects of the MAGA movement have
argued that this shouldn't be the business of the federal
government that returning power to the states, returning it to
the cities. Returning it to the counties is the proper
place for the debate over them. From my perspective, the

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fundamental right the healthcare, healthcare as a human right, ought
be nationally coordinated. Do you see this problem emerging state
by state and county by county in terms of how
the pain itself will be felt?

Speaker 4 (18:33):
I really do, because not every state will handle it
with some standards.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
So again, when you have a you have it running
state to state, but you have a healthcare system that
is national. You have healthcare systems and insurance companies that
stretch nationally. So when you have the sort of when
you have the inconsistencies if you will, of care, of
proactive care, or of reaching the communities, again, that's affecting

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prices nationally. To me, we can't go backwards and look
at healthcare state to state. We need to look at
our healthcare system because our healthcare system is failing Americans.
There's one hundred million Americans right now that do not
have access to a primary care physician. And yes, it
differs state to state, but it is a problem in

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every state.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I want to hang around primary care physicians for a minute,
because in African American communities, in Hispanic communities, in low
income rural communities where they are fighting just to survive.
One of the challenges that the National Institute of Health
has had, one of the challenges that the Secretary of

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Health and Human Services historically has had, has been to
lure doctors from medical school through these communities to these
underserved communities. And in the absence of a primary care position,
we end up with people not having primary care physicians.
And therefore many Americans have never seen a primary care

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physician in their lives. They might find themselves at the clinic,
at Walgreens, at the clinical cbs getting some basic care
unless something is discovered that they are sent to an
emergency room. Is there any concern that under the present
thinking of the Trump administration and the Democrats and Republicans

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in Congress, that any solutions are coming forward anytime soon.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
Well, unfortunately, this problem is getting worse Jesse because of
the visa program. So almost a third of the physicians
we have in the United States are for and born.
They come here from all over the world to study
at our medical schools and then stay here. And a
lot of those doctors are ones that go and serve
underserved communities and rural communities, including urban and rural communities.
So now so many of them are having trouble. They're

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stuck in the visa program that they can't even get here.
So now you have longer wait times and you have
to unities that just won't get a primary care physician. Again,
what you're doing there is setting up and you're not
getting preventive care. You're putting people only where they can
get emergency care if that when they need it. That's
a bad business model and that is a terrible model

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for the health of the country.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listening to Jesse Jackson on the
Jesse Jackson Junior Show. My very special guest is John Diggles.
He's helping the healthcare industry navigate the messaging in the
present climate as to how we are going to get
the kind of care that we deserve. On'm Jesse Jackson Jr.
When we come forward on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty
more with John Diggles, Jesse Jackson, You're looking forward to

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the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.
According to CNN, former Vice President Kamala Harris announced Wednesday
that she would not run for governor of California in
twenty twenty six, ending questions about her interest in the role,
but raising new ones about the twenty twenty four Democratic
presidential nominees plans for the future. Quote or now, my

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leadership and public service will not be an elected office,
she said in a statement released Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I look forward to getting back out there and listening
to the American people, helping elect Democrats across the nation
who will fight fearlessly, and sharing more details in the
months ahead about my own plans.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Period.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
That doesn't sound John Diggles to me like Kamala Harris
is going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
I think she'll surprise this.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
I was reading some couple articles at the break Jesse,
and the fact that she said, look, I've got announcements
coming up, and they're not about twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
I think she has plans here. She knows what she's doing,
and I'm excited to see what the plays are.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
John, Let's talk about rural healthcare for a moment, and
when the big ugly bill becomes law. I've spoken to
mayors and I've spoken to people around the country who
are concerned that their dialysis centers are closing, that critical care,
including but not limited to cardiac care, that increasingly, first

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level one trauma centers, hospitals, emergency rooms are moving further
and further away from where they live. Therefore, the transportation
in the event of a critical care need can be
as long as an hour drive, and therefore the life

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expectancy of a critical care patient may be significantly reduced
as a result of not having proximity to these facilities.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
I mean that is this is really a very alarming
development in what has already been an alarming disparity. Since
the disparities, almost fifty percent of US counties are heart
health deserts. That means that there's not a cardiologist within
ninety mins aisles of people living in fifty percent of

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US counties. Thirty seven percent of US counties are considered
maternal care deserts. That means that in those counties, in
those areas, you cannot get proper care for pregnancy, for
maternal care during that time. So you have these and
then you have a bill that could cause because of

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its cut to Medicaid, could really hit the economic flow
the economics of rural hospitals and cause as much as
a third of them to close. So you're talking now
about wider gaps across and then when you get to
emergency care. You know, when you even when you're putting
someone in a helicopter, you're trying to get them to

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emergency care. Every second, every minute counts, and to take
those resources away from communities that have already suffered through
longtime health disparities. There's just no weather to put it
that these are life and death decisions that are going
to absolutely affect people, and we need to be honest
about it.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
One of my grave concerns is trying to draw the
parallel between what will be lost in far reaching rural areas,
but also what will be lost in urban areas where
Medicaid is a significant part of critical care. For example,
in the city of Chicago, and I know this to

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be true in Los Angeles as well. We have hospitals
whose reimbursement rates are as high as fifty five percent
tied to Medicaid dollars. That is, they primarily serve the indigent,
and if in fact they cannot serve the indigent, organ

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transport plantations, cancer treatments, critical care will simply be eliminated
from these facilities, and whether or not the facilities themselves
can and survive is clearly of major concern. In urban
areas as well, there is a relationship between what's happening
in the rural area and the urban areas as well.

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My question for you is, can rural dwellers come together
with suburban and urban dwellers move beyond their red hats
and their blue hats to the idea that we all
need healthcare of equal high quality.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
Absolutely, we need to take our hats off to each other,
tip the cap to each other, and so that if
I make your healthcare better, my healthcare.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Can be better too. You mentioned Chicago.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Right in Chicago, we have Chicago's one of the places
we have some of the some of the top healthcare
systems in the country. Rush University Health System, it's on
the West side of Chicago. It's one of the top
medical systems in the country. Yet the West side of
Chicago is one of the stroke capitals of our country.
So people are suffering and dying of stroke at a

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higher rate, which strokes is a ready alarming rate, but
people on the West Side of Chicago are suffering strokes
and dying of strokes at a higher rate than the
alarming national average. They look out their windows at one
of the best healthcare systems in the country, and they
cannot get access to it. So the economics of healthcare have.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Really locked a lot of people out. So in urban areas,
we have underserved areas.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
In rural areas, you can't get even access or within
miles of.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Care or specialty care.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
And so when people come together and demand this change,
it's the only way it's going to happen. And I'll
also say that, you know, for anybody listening to this,
whether or not you're impacted by disparities, you will feel
it or you're going to feel it. The healthcare system
is in crisis. There's a physician shortage, there's a burnout

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crisis among medical professionals, and of course we all feel
the economic crisis of the healthcare system. The only way
to solve those things is to make the overall system
better for everybody.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
My dad called it, at least the politics of it,
the Al Jolson syndrome. That is, we can paint a
problem black. Ronald Reagan used the concept of welfare welfare queen.
But the fact of the matter is there were more
whites on welfare.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Than there were blacks.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
They've made Medicaid to be the Obama care problem, but
the fact of the matter is they are more white
Americans on Medicaid than African Americans. As long as they
can paint the problem like Al Jolson did black, they
throw oranges and apples and tomatoes at Al Jolson. But

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in the final analysis, he goes back to the green room,
he washes the makeup off of his face, and he
has two bloody eyes as a result. But he's still
a white man, and he too suffered after at black people.
It seems to me that when we pull back, if
you will pull back the onion of how it is

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being positioned in the body politic that somehow the Medicaid
recipients are lazy, that they need a work requirement, that
they are the ones who should replace immigrants in the fields.
That's what the Secretary of Agriculture said before the Congress
most recently, when asked where are the agricultural worker is
going to come from? She said, well, it should be

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a work requirement for Medicaid recipients. As if someone in
urban areas wants to stand out here in this heat
and pick tomatoes, lettuce and cotton.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
It just doesn't make sense to me, John.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
And there's been way too much of this divisive language
that has kept us from solving key parts of healthcare.
There's been way too much of putting people into groups
and not really looking at a system overall that can
continues to fail people. And when we look at things
that we can come together on, we can't come together
on education. The more we know about our health, the

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better we can be proactive and taking care of ourselves
and each other.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
We must come together on empathy.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
The more we can understand what people in rural communities
and urban communities or wherever you live or even affected
by disparities and have empathy for each other will drive
that change. And then we must come together on the
things we must the things we're going to demand and
participate in with the healthcare system. What's drive it a cost?
How can we fix it? And how can government and

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private sector work together for it? Those things really have
to come from patients demanding more. We're seeing this happen,
but we have to accelerate it because of the pain
that we know is here and coming already.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
I'm wondering. I'm wondering in this moment if and I
know this is a stretch. I'm wondering about John F.
Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy having gone to the South, and
I know we're coming up on our break in just
a moment. And when they held up a young, poor,
emaciated black child, the country said, poor black child. But

(31:11):
then when they went to Appalachia and held up a
poor white child, the nation responded, Oh, they just can't
be poverty like that in America today. And this was
the nineteen sixties, right. I'm wondering if there is a
way to bring the lights to white poverty. I think

(31:31):
William Barber has talked about it in his book called
White Poverty. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to Jesse Jackson
Junior Show on KBLAY Talk fifteen to eighty more with
John Diggles. When we come forward, Welcome to Jess Death
from the Juniors go and in this hour has been

(31:55):
none other than Don Niggles Tomorrow, Reverend doctor Wallace Dater
Bradley disciple to disciple, that is black gangster. Disciple to disciple, Yes,
he is a minister ordained now with a PhD. Reverend
Doctor Wallace Gator Bradley will be our very special guest

(32:15):
in the first hour. John Diggles, however, is our guest
today and John, I want to pivot now to this
idea of strategies for maintaining our health. This is our
final segment on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show with John
Diggles and John I want to welcome you forward to
the show.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
Thank you, Jesse.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
It's good to be with you.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
And I always ask my guests to end on a
word of hope. And I know that we have about
all about eight minutes left in the program, and so
there are strategies for maintaining our health. I assume both
mental as well as physical health, but certainly strategies. And
I'd like you to provide your word of hope in
the context of the strategies that we might be able

(32:57):
to implore personally collective to be able to prepare ourselves
what's in front of all of us.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Well, thank you, Jesse. I think it's an important question.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
There are not easy answers to it, but when we
see the strategies that really work are to invite people
to invest in knowing more about their health. The more
you know, the questions to ask your doctor, the care
you could take care of yourself, the disparity you live
that's around you, the more you can help take action

(33:29):
on it. So that sense of awareness education is really
really key. An educated patient can be a powerful patient,
can get the doctor, can push the doctor, and can
also push the health system and that could.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Bring a lot of us together.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
The other key thing that we're working on that are
the reason I started this company Ascent Strategy Group, is
getting people more tools, getting people more tools. Technology right
now has made leaps and bounds in healthcare. There are
tools that we can have not just at the doctor's office,
but at home that are clinical grade tools. Will give

(34:06):
you an example. Look, everybody knows the first thing you
go to the doctor, you have your blood pressure monitor. Right,
That's something that every one of us should be doing,
not just check. There's a difference between checking your blood
pressure and monitoring your blood pressure.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
We should all The difference is how often we do it.
We shouldn't be doing it a couple times a year.
That's something we should do at least a week. I mean,
talk to your doctor.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
There's people that should do it every day, but most
of us should be doing it a lot more because
we can notice blood pressure tells you about a lot
of your risk and a lot of things before they happen.
We just came out and helped launch a blood pressure
monitor and built into that blood pressure monitor for use
at home is AI powered aphib technology that's atrial fibrillation.

(34:52):
So why is that important? Atri fibrillation where your heart
is not quite in rhythm, affects millions of people that
are undiagnosed. That means they're living with a higher risk
of stroke. And the surprising thing is they're also living
with higher risk of dementia because that's interrupting blood flow
to your brain. So the more we can catch that

(35:14):
and people can take action on it, that's the way
to help solve some of these major health gaps. So
the technology is very hopeful. We have to get people
access to it. And then I'll just say, Jesse, the
third thing we can all do is support each other
and understand when it comes to healthcare. Despite all the
politics that can be divisive us, seeing at rural counties

(35:36):
to urban counties, we are really truly all in a
system together. And the more we understand that embrace it,
the more we can drive meaningful change from the patient
perspective to push the health system to be better.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
You know, I want to if I can. John, in
part of the remaining few minutes that we have, doctor
King on this question of health seems to also suggest when,
as Johnny Mack, who is a regular contributor on our
program says when he digs deeper into the philosophy of King,

(36:15):
that somehow the idea of love and forgiveness and caring
for our neighbor is also part of our mental and
physical health.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
That to hate.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Is detrimental to our health.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
That to feel negatively and harbor resentment towards people who
are different than we are contributes to our health. And
I'm not just saying our psychological health. I'm also talking
about our physical health. You have to go out of
your way to hate somebody, and it does bring pressure

(36:56):
in your life, It does bring animus in your life,
It does bring resentments and regrets into your life, and
all of that can contribute to.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
Real to real dis ease.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
This ease disease. Disease and disease.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Are the same, are the same problem.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
John, I think that's very true.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
You know, doctor King in Chicago, as a matter of fact,
said he made a very powerful correlation between health equity
and disparities and injustice. It's always stuck with me the
fact that he tied it at that level, and that's
what it meant at the time. It still means that,
and we still have a long way to go. And
when it comes to the fact that our mental health

(37:41):
and our mental well being affects deeply our physical health.
We've accepted this about stress a long time ago. Stress
causes inflammation in our bodies.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
If you feel hot, like you're.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Retaining heat, you can't quite digest. All of those things
are signs of inflammation within our bodies. Hate does the
exact same thing. It starts to tax us physically and
starts to exacerbate whatever we're going through health wise, to
put more stress on us, increasing blood pressure, causing all
the other things that become chronic conditions that add up

(38:15):
over time to real health.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Crises for us.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
So the more we get proactive and educated about taking
care of our own health and empowered, we can not
only reset the way we think about it and treat ourselves,
but also push the health system to do better bias
as well.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
John, You know, I've heard lots of sermons. I grew
up in the church and hang around a lot of preachers,
and I've heard dozens of sermons over the course of
my life about the Good Samaritan and the great work
that the Good Samaritan did on the road to Jericho.
But in this moment, it occurs to me that with
the work that he did because of his ethic, he

(38:53):
felt better about himself, that he was compelled to do it.
That he probably went home that night and got a
great night's sleep knowing that he helped a stranger and
that there were real benefits to him personally beyond how
we've heard the story exegjeded.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
In our churches.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
There were real benefits.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Associated with that. And I'm not downplaying the significance of
what the fundamental tenets of that story represent. I'm also
saying there are benefits. You know, I was somewhere the
other day, and I know our time is almost up
in this hour. I was somewhere the other day and
an older lady was trying to get in her car,
and I just stopped what I was doing and I
went over because she looked like she was going to
fall on the rocks. She was very grateful, but when

(39:37):
it was over, I said to myself, I feel good.
But she didn't fall in my presence, and I think
that's I think that's also part of it. John Diggles,
thank you for being on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Jesse, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
I want to congratulate you on the show. It's a
great show. I appreciate you diving into topics and having
me on today. I think your audience is better for it.
By lifting all of our spirits. We're a little bit
healthier today when we have these kind of conversations.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
So thank you very much for taking us.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I look forward very much to having you come back
on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. You've been listening to
Jesse Jackson Junior Show. We will be together in the
next hour. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I'm Jackson too.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Welcome forward to the Junior on a BLA Talk fifteen
eighty In this hour, joining us momentarily will be our
regular contributor, doctor s Todd Yeary, who has one foot
in the pullpit and one foot in the courtroom, and
chances are right now at this hour, Dtor Yeeri is

(40:36):
somewhere in a courtroom rushing to get to our show.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Holy mackerel.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Doctor Yuri is in his car rushing to get to
the show in traffic. Here. I'm good, thank you all
of me on blast. I am in wonderful Chicago rush
hour traffic on the drive. So what can I take?

Speaker 5 (40:55):
You're gonna be there for a minute, so.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Right, we might as well take our time then, yeah,
Doci Heera.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I had a wonderful conversation yesterday with doctor Attorney Barbara
Arnwine and Reverend Raymond Dix, and on this program we
talked about about black men and trying to arrive at
a deeper understanding of what's going on with black men,

(41:25):
including the young ones who are not voting. And we've
got this history from sixteen nineteen to the present, and
we go through all of the luminaries of our history
who've paid the price for us to have the right
to vote. But somehow this generation, based upon the facts
of the last election and several of the previous elections,

(41:48):
have either not voted a significant number of them have
been making the case for Donald Trump. And I've been
trying to peel back the onion a little bit to
figure out a little bit more about what's going on.
And I think, I think come on to something, and
I talked about it yesterday, and I want to murch
it with you. You know, when I was growing up
and I would go outside, my mother insisted that my

(42:10):
brothers and I were home by the time the street
lights came on. When the street lights, you'd better be
in this house by the time these street lights come on.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
That's down hand.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
That's in the handbook. Okay.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
So I never really understood or thought that my mother,
in her own way, could have been in those moments
reflecting upon her life experiences, but more specifically im matil,
that is, you cannot be out in these streets after cover.
That is, any young man who's out here in these

(42:48):
streets is subject to a confrontation with somebody in the
streets or maybe even come into contact with law enforcement.
And then I pressed my thinking a little bit further
to the idea that young black men and yes some
of our sisters as well, are born into the world

(43:12):
from the moment they show up in the birth ward
or at home care, or however you might have been.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Born into the world. We are born into the world
with probable cause.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
In addition to whatever your mama calls you, your daddy
named you. In addition to that, you showed up in
the world as a young African American man with probable CAUs,
wearing a hoodie, carrying skills George Floyd, professionals like yourself,
oftentimes having to remind people that you are a pastor

(43:48):
and a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
And it still doesn't escape the fact.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
That you are black.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
So from womb to tomb, black PhDs, black doctors, black
folks with no degrees, there is a presumption and a
probable cause in your life that is nearly inescapable as
an American doctor, Yuri.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
And now you want me to jump in on that
while I'm sitting in traffic. Let's see first, let let
let's kind of peel back the disengage.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Be careful, all right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, no, no, no, I'm tending to And since I'm
moving a robust zero miles an hour, I think I'm
in good shack. The the issue of disengagement, disaffect with
the system and a process that seems to either not

(44:55):
work for or even work against the interests of young
black men, young black men from certain neighborhoods. Whatever that
frame is. I think part of the challenge has been
we've made voting the one and done cure for all

(45:15):
issues dealing with the lived reality of black folk in America.
It is a significant piece, and it's a significant piece
because it goes right to who gets to decide more
than anything else, what happens with public dollars to address
private interests. What we don't give is a full menu.

(45:39):
So you sit down at dinner on Sunday. Mama would
make dinner. Some days the entree would be amongst my favorite.
Sometimes it was beef, liver and gravy, much to Masha Grant,
not mine. Belt. Well, listen, you can have mine. I
I wish you you could have that, But and you

(46:05):
aren't getting up from the table until you ate everything
on your plate, whether you liked it or not. The
problem is we've tried to make our civic engagement a
one course meal instead of having a full entrede of
tools voting engagement with elected officials, organizing, demonstrating, litigating. We've

(46:30):
gone back to this notion that somehow or other, we
can change our reality by microwave action. And that's not
how this thing works, and so I think part of
that is the beginning frustration. And then we can get
back to you having my beef liver, because we can
talk about a whole lot of other stuff about what's
going on in the lived reality of a generation that

(46:52):
is significantly detached, distressed, and even disappointed and disgusted even
with what's going on in our politics.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.
When we come forward more with doctor S Todd YEARI
on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, C Jackson.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Junior Show.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Our very special guest is none other than doctor Reverend
S Todd YERI, Doctor Ery, welcome forward to the Jesse
Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Well, he's good to be with you. Doesn't matter if
I'm stuck in traffick or not. I'm hanging out with
you on Wednesday afternoon.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Doc.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Listen, we were talking about lived reality for black men
just before the break, and I couldn't help but think
about you know, as I've shape stated yesterday and I
continue to date, that lived reality is from wom to Tom.
I mean, there's no expectation that will go to school.
There's no expectation that will graduate from school. When we

(47:49):
graduate from school sixteen seventeen year olds. Everyone just about
everyone has a law enforcement experience. You can't drive in
a car with all you boys, that's probable cause. You
can't walk through a shopping mall or shopping market, or
a Walmart or any of these stores around our country
without being followed by security, like you come in and

(48:11):
take something. You can't walk into an aien's door without
somebody asking you why you here?

Speaker 5 (48:16):
Can you afford to be here?

Speaker 2 (48:17):
It just seems to me that every single day in
our lives, there's in fact, James Baldwin said, it is
impossible to live in America as a black person and
not wake up every day in a form of outrage,
in experiencing some form of rage. And when I peel
back the onion on black men as a black man,

(48:41):
it just seems to me that we're born into the
world with probable calls typed on our forehead. We're born
into the world with a presumption that does not include
the benefit of the doubt. But the same benefit of
the doubt is afforded everybody else. Doc walk us through
this lived experience.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Let's start with the label. Depending on which era you
may have been born. You'll find that simply by looking
at your birth certificate, there is a limitation imposed by
law when they finally give you kind of a legal

(49:24):
acknowledgement that you exist. So when I look at my
birth certificate and the category that says race, my race
is colored. Colored has a particular frame. Because they could
not tell whether my father was white or black, they

(49:51):
assumed he was white. I'm being black, my race is colored.
That's a curious reality. What is clear is that I'm
not white. And so the reality is is whatever your

(50:13):
classification is racially, if you are not either Caucasian or
white in the legal document that is assigned to you
at birth, you are starting out with constraints on entitlement, participation, opportunity, expectation.

(50:37):
When we talk about the notion of education, we have
to remember that there were laws on the books, some
of them still have not been legally repealed in southern
states that said black people could not be educated. As
a matter of fact, I think it may have been
North Carolina. You went to school there, I grew up there.
That if a white person was caught teaching a black

(51:02):
person to read. The white person would get five lashes,
the black person who wanted to read with fifty lashes. Now,
let's think about it. It is a greater punishment to
have the desire to learn than it is to have

(51:24):
the willingness to teach someone to learn. Let's think about
those constraints. Let's think about those punishments that are imposed
that then alter how we see not only our opportunities,
but our willingness to participate in pursuit of them. That
is ingrained. And so when we think about America, it's like,

(51:46):
you know, I'm a pound cake guy, but I don't
just eat anybody's pound cake because number one, my pound
cake is probably going to have so much stuff in
it that's going to address cholesterol that we're going to
have a whole problem. So I need it, I need
eggs in but I'm a dairy guy in my poundcake.
The pound cake of America today is only what it

(52:10):
is because of the ingredient of the contribution of black people.
And if you take black people out of this mix,
you don't have pound cake, you have crumbs. And I
think this notion that we don't know our own history,
our own contribution, how these processes are designed to work,
what is our role to participate in them. Those all

(52:31):
come into play as to why we find ourselves in
such perilous circumstances where we would have a popularity contest
called an election as opposed to a policy contest that's
going to accrue to the benefit of what our communities need.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
H I gotta press because when we keep asking our
brothers to vote, they're also saying neither part is addressing
their issues. Well, when you ask the question what are
your issues, A vast or a large number of them,

(53:09):
whether they have actually been tried or convicted, have had
some experience that is tied to the presumption, the idea
of presumption of pre judgment. And then of course there's
a post judgment. If you open your mouth and you
sound halfway intelligent. Okay, we can get beyond some of

(53:30):
the presumption. Yesterday I was with my girlfriend and she
left her purse on a table and I needed the
car keys, so I unzipped her purse and I grabbed
the car keys, and an older white couple said to me,
that's not your purse. I said, it's not, but these

(53:52):
are my keys. And then fortunately my girlfriend showed back
up and they said, oh, okay, you guys are together. Right,
actually thanked them because they were looking out for her purse.
But in that moment, they didn't see a congressman or
a former congressman. They didn't see a law degree, they
didn't see a seminary degree. They didn't see my service

(54:12):
in the US Congress. They didn't see thirteen honorary doctorates.
They didn't see my resume. They just saw I did
not belong in that purse. And in that moment, those
that couple made presumptions, they made prejudgments. There was a
post judgment after I explained that these are my keys.

(54:35):
But a brother is not given the benefit of the doubt, bro.
And that right there starts more often than not every
day when someone's pulled over. First, a stop occurs, and
then the police officer says he smells something. Whether he
does or not, he might ask a person to exit

(54:57):
the vehicle. He might even unconstitutionally asked them for permission
to search their car, to open their trunk, and all
of this is based upon what he thinks he smelt,
or music that was too loud, or the hairdo of
the driver and there are times when the driver is

(55:18):
a lawyer or a minister or a doctor, just like yourself.
And this police officer may not even be college educated,
maybe fresh out of high school in a uniform, who
went to a role call just twenty minutes earlier, and
says at the end of the role call, his sergeant says,
good hunting, And.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
What are they hunting for?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
They're hunting for the presumption they're hunting for probable cause
from someone who looks like us, who speaks.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
To that, who speaks to that in the body politics. Well,
so a couple of things. One, the reality is as
you have spoken it, described it, experienced it. What's curious
to me about, you know, going in the purse for
the keys in twenty twenty five. I'm curious as to

(56:15):
how they know that that might not have been your purse,
because that's not a given.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
So so we can we can start with that. They
already jumped to a conclusion that is inconsistent with the times,
and so now they get to I was supposed to say,
how did they know? I mean, did they watch you
walk in with it? Did they see your name it
and on it? The fact that there are certain interests

(56:46):
that are detached from our experience who get to impose
themselves on the interpretation of our reality is problematic, and
so whether it is the otherwise will give them the
benefit of the doubt. Well meaning although r and nosey
people watching what's going on, trying to see if you
the dude's getting ready to run off with the purse.

(57:09):
That does some stuff. But then the other part is
that the rules have always been written that we have
to always deal with the suspicion even before we get
to probable cause. Reasonable suspicion is the standard. What's reasonable?

(57:30):
What's unreasonable? How do you determine it? Is it because
you know your light skinned black dude in a public
place around a purse and they can't read what you're wearing,
that somehow other your economic circumstances might put you in
a wanting position where you would want to take something
of value from someone else. It is actually that ingredient.

(57:53):
Those those are the things that are the crumbs. The
reason we don't come away in a much more unfortunate
circumstance is because of the way we have to operate
in reality right to be able to navigate these situations

(58:13):
in such a way that we don't lose our dignity
because you know, in some places, somebody telling me I
can't go in what I know belongs to someone who's
attached to me, and we have an understanding. That's how
we operate. They might have been told minded business, but
then it would have been offensive because then it's like Negro,
you're not staying in your place. So when we are

(58:37):
navigating these spaces, we have to be mindful that in
that backdrop the frustration about, you know, neither party meeting
the expectation. That's always the ideal.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Top's the point, But Reverend, that's the point that by
the time a young African American male is eighteen, they're
a navigator, and no one has told them that their
life would be a constant navigation of every circumstance and
event in their life. My mother, I think, was trying

(59:11):
to tell it to me when she said be home
when the street lights come on. I didn't interpret that
is a lifelong navigation. But the truth of the matter
is that's exactly the beginning of a life long navigation
as a black man.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
And then the response is then what to do about it?
And this is where your father's words ring in my
ears when I would often talk about the frustration of
that very reality, and he would say, now's not the
time to get disgusted, Now's the time to get determined.
And what does that determination look like in terms of

(59:47):
how it is acted upon, in terms of our civic engagement.
Branded neither party is meeting it, what are we going
to do? Are we going to find an alternative? Are
we going to if we disconnect? That's not going to
change the fact that over four years, the government's going
to find a way to commit twenty trillion dollars of

(01:00:08):
public money, whether that's actual cash money or debt, to
address private interests. That gap doesn't get closer simply because
we get frustrated and decide that, you know, we've had
enough of it. Unless we're going to have a solution
attached to our frustration that we can act upon as
a collective, then really what we're doing is we're relegating

(01:00:31):
ourselves to quite honestly grumbling as opposed to strategize it.
And that's where I think we've got got to make
sure that we hold ourselves accountable. Yes, be true to
our frustration, acknowledge the fact that the reality is what
it is. But the answer to the question, so what
is for us to determine and no one else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, I want to hang around this navigation for a
moment because when I see and kicking with my boys
and I'm not on the radio, I'm gonna be honest
with you. When I'm kicking with them. You know, my
dialect is a little bit different because it just is
what it is already in the radio. You know, I
try to speak the King's English as best I can,

(01:01:11):
but you know, I get really ignorant really quick when
I'm not on the radio.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Aske Tabs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
He'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You know, I'm simply saying it's a navigation. I've seen
some people eat chicken with finger foods when they hang
in with me, and I've seen a negro try to
eat chicken with a pork when need another crowd. He's navigating.
I've seen his behavior when we're playing basketball in the neighborhood.
I've seen the same brother in another environment, this negro's

(01:01:38):
voice change. Now that's part of the navigation too. In
other words, some of us actually believe we belong because
we've quote unquote navigated the space to our benefit. But
so many of our brothers and sisters who have no
navigating skills whatsoever, they're just a presumption that they don't belong.

(01:02:01):
There is probable cause that follows them all of their life.
And I'm suggesting to you, doctor YERI, that the standard
itself has to change. We may not be able to
shout and call everything racism, but we can certainly say
that that I was born into probable cause, and I
was born with the presumption that it emanates from you,

(01:02:23):
and I want to change it. I want to bring
it to your attention. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KB and they talk
fifteen to eighty. We have doctor s todd Yuriy. When
we come forward more on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show
Wealthy Wednesday with doctor s Todd Yeary who is both
a minister and a lawyer. He is a full time
pastor and a full time practicing lawyer. Doctor Urie, welcome

(01:02:46):
forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Man. You're just You're slaying heavy on Wednesday, so I'm
glad to hang out with you. You make me matter.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
I see you'd and pulled over to a parking lot. Now,
you know, decided not to hang around traffic, and I'm
so grateful for that, knowing that you are somewhere safe. Hey, doc,
check this out. You're in and out of a court
room every single day of the week. Every brother and
sister in the courtroom. Their case started with some form,

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particularly in criminal proceedings, some form of probable cause. They
may not even be charged with the probable cause. They're
charged with what the officer found later, or heard later,
or observed later, or even because they were in there
with their boy. They got charged with the conspiracy that

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they didn't know they were in when they were sitting
there with their boy and in reasonable proximity to him.
He got the gun. I ain't got no gun, but
the gun is in the car with us. I'm now
part of the conspiracy. This probable cause standard is something
that is beginning to increasingly irritate me. Not because I've
had to deal with it in my own life, that's

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a significant motivation, but because it seems that black bodies
cannot escape it, We can't escape the trauma of it
for our entire space. Gina says, for example, that Clarence
Thomas means to let all of you all not have
to worry about it no more. No more voting, no education,

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no health care, no redistricting. So yall, you'll ain't got
to worry about that no more, because we don't have
no problem with you all being over on your side
of town, in your community, where y'all can judge each
other and won't be judged by nobody else.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
More probable cause, more presumption, as your seventeen years in
Congress informs us that the structure of the system, while
it might look different, it pretty much functions the same.

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The type of hostility is a change in degree, not
necessarily a change in substance. So the slave patrols, going
back to the eighteenth nineteenth century, the fugitive slave laws

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in the South, that was the basis of the formation
of kind of bounty hunters and the pre version of
what we now know to be policing in the North.
It was protection of property because you had property owners
who controlled vast amounts of land that were outnumbered by

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the folks. They held it in servitude, and so it
made for a very delicate interaction. So policing, even in
terms of what its function is historically has been to
reinforce that system that perpetuates the frustration that you've been

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talking about. Let's just be real clear about it. But
as you know having been a member of Congress, you
don't change the condition by talking at it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
You've got to engage it. And even when the numbers
don't appear to be in your favor, you keep coming
back until you get the favorable numbers. Because it's always
been a numbers game. We're dealing with the numbers game now,
with the Senate slight majority one way versus the other,
the House slam one way or the other, both sides

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somewhat suspect if we look at the history of the
parties Lincoln Republicans. Lincoln gets credit for the Emancipation Proclamation,
FDR gets credit for the New Deal, Lyndon Johnson gets
credit for the Great Society. All all of it just
led to a rearranging of the chairs on the dance floor.

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Because the attitudes that were in play when it comes
to racial hierarchy never went away. And so this notion
of having a place where I am an equal. The
Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six actually uses the
word equality. This notion that we are trying to promote
equity is changing the frame of the objective. We don't

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want equity, we want equality, and equality means that we've
got to make up for some things. That's where reparations
comes in. But reparations is a charged term. It sends
folks into a frenzy. Right, It's like calling a white
person a racist. They lose their mind. You say reparations.
You have to deal with this expressed internalized white guilt

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about you know, my grandparents own slaves. That didn't affect me. Well,
it depends show me the will because you could, you
could put the property that you had in the will.
We've got this issue that we've got to work through.
The problem becomes and you know, my metaphor is the
Monopoly game. This game. The game is what the game is.

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The question is how we gonna play it. And you
can't win monopoly if you're not gonna pick a piece
and roll the dice. And that means we've got to
engage where we are. Bring our frustration with us, bring
our anger with us, bring our discuss with us. But
as you mentioned before the last break, we got to
do something. We've got to take an action and that

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action has to be forward looking. It can't just be
I'm mad as hell and nothing else for it. That's
called releasing right. That has a place. But if we're
not going to leave the next generation of young black people,
male and female to have to deal with the same
kind of frustration we're dealing with now, we've got to

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do something while we still have time on the club.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
I absolutely agree with what you just said. Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
I have read hundreds of poles over the cross over
the course of my life, lots of poles presidential polls,
senatorial polls, congressional polls, state representative poles, poles all the
way down to the Aldermanic level in the school board. Now,
I normly have about a minute and a half to
say this, but I do want to say this, for

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that which black men confront all of the issues, the
list of issues that you poll and people tell you
how they feel about them, none of them deal with
any of the things that peel back the onion for
what confronts black men, For what confronts them from womb
to tomb, they just don't show up. If they don't

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even show up on the radar, then leadership can't even
speak to it because people are concerned about eggs and bacon. Okay,
they're concerned about an egg and bacon sandwich. But I'm
telling you that every time a brother comes into contact
with law enforcement or someone who prejudges or post judges

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him somehow, you're not speaking to their issues.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
Not you, but the proverbial youth.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Is not speaking to their issues until they come to
terms with These young men in all of our communities
are unpollable. They're not going to show up on the
middle class poet. They're just not going to show up,
and you have to peel the onion back to find
out what's really on their mind. Who really speaks for them.

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I heard some fascinating things from Governor Wes Moore the
other day when he talked about the nature of racism
and what it means for black men, and I think
he's onto something. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening to
the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.
Our very special guest in this hour is doctor s
Todd Yeery. When we come forward, looking forward to the

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Jesse Jackson Junior Show on kb ONLY Talk fifteen eighty.
Our very special Gale guest Unwealthy Wednesdays is none other
than doctor s Todd YERI, doctor Yari, you make us
so rich on Wednesdays.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Listen, y'all in the wrong line, then I need you
to go stand behind somebody that's got something in their
purse other than their keys. But that's that's that's just me.
I appreciate you, doct.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
I was listening very carefully to the KBLA commercial that
just played a few moments. Why do we need a
second topic? Go through the fir.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
And that goes right to my point that someone determined
that someone did not have the right to live. They's
got stopped or shot or wrongfully treated by a police
officer that resulted in death. They had the first autopsy,
now they need the second autopsy. Why the hell did

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they stopped the brother in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Let's let me, let's let's let let look, let's go upstream.
That whole commercial almost have me ready to go back
and get in Russia hour traffic and just sit there
because I just can't figure it out. Listen, number one,
why do we need commercial?

Speaker 5 (01:12:23):
By the way, I want to thank them for advertising
their commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
But go ahead. Look, I got to go find it
because I need to. I need to play it for
for my clergy and my my law colleagues, because I
think it speaks to a frame of reference that is
so so decayed, so deficient. That number one, there's a

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taking of a life by the police. M hmm. And
when the autopsy is done, the autopsy determines cause and
manner of death. It looks at injuries, it looks at
a number of factors. Right, It's an examination post mortem

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of the human body to determine what caused the death
and how did that cause occur. It says, then the
first autopsy is presumed to be questionable if not to
the manner of death, the cause of death. And so

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you need a second examination to question the first one,
because the first one is designed to create a justification
for the taking of the life in the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
First place, that the probable cause was okay in the
first place, that the presumption of the officer was right
in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
God, yeah, yeah, So let me could you mentioned something
in the previous segment. There is a United States Supreme
Court case called Heine v. North Carolina driver driving down
the street, he's got one tail light out the other
one works. Police officer pulls him over because he has

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one non functioning tail light that somehow leads to after
having the driver and the occupants get out of the car,
a search of the vehicle, and the search of the
vehicle allegedly leads to the recovery of some contraband, in
this instance drugs, and so the question becomes whether or

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not the arrest is valid. This Supreme Court, albeit without
let's see Justice Brown Jackson, a few others, but certainly
Justice Thomas, Justice Roberts, it's a Roberts Court decision says
literally and actually Justice Thomas, I believe wrote the opinion.

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A police officer who's supposed to enforce the law really
doesn't have to know the law. He has to just
reasonably believe that the law he's enforcing exists, which means,
in North Carolina, it is not illegal to have one
tail light out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
So that officer brings a bias to the out tail light.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
He brings an entitlement. It's not just a bias. He
brings an entitlement that says, I get to decide today
what the law's going to be with anybody and everybody.
I choose to engage. And if I'm wrong, then what

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I do is I keep going until I find something
that makes me right, and I rely on it. And
so that's why when you ride down the street with
your homies, you're not doing anything observing the rules of
the road. They want to pull you over. Some traffic infraction.
You didn't stop long enough at a four way stop,
you pulled up past the little white line on the ground.

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Anything that gives them a basis to say a traffic
infraction gives me the reasonable suspicion to pull you over.
And then when you roll down the windows, something about
your conduct, something about your comment, something about something going
on in the car. I smell something, I see something,
I think I see something, and now I get to
now go as far as I choose to go till

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I find what I want to find. Anyway, and oh,
by the way, we do have instances where the things
are not found. Hello, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, that's the issue,
But that's also the motivation. We cannot seed any ground

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to that kind of malevolent conduct to go unchallenged. That's why,
not just in terms of the voting, not just in
terms of the city, but in everything we've got to
resist it with everything in our core lest we surrender
to this madness, because we are quickly, as we're seeing

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in real time, this reversion back todays that we only
read about in history books. And that's before they pull
the history books off the shelves.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
So their entitlement led to a stop over a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Tail light that, over the course of his observing the
activity in the vehicle led to maybe an arrest and
a subsequent felony. And now the only way you get
your record cleared is if the governor of a state

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gives you a pardon, or the president gives you a pardon,
if you can get through to them to give you
a pardon. So your whole life is tied to a
bulb that was out that was the probable cause for
the stop in the first place, And it determines whether

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not your son or your daughter will respect you. What
could happen to you in prison, or the idea of
getting a job or getting employment or going to a
higher education, and whatever the course of your life was,
it was determined that a bad tale light created a

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different trajectory.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
I'm struggling with that, doc. I know we only have
two minutes. Let me give you this word a hope.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
I got to let me, let me, let me, let
me drop this real quick. Let me talk about a
different light, because they're gonna stop you because of tail
lights or broken exposure. Stuff that's observable. Very often in
the church we invoke Paul's Paul's benediction in Ephesians three,

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Now and too, the one who is able to do
exceedingly and abundantly above all that we can ask or imagine.
And then we jump into a frenzy, but we got
to finish reading it. The next phrase is important that
the divine is able to do exceedingly and abundantly above
all we can ask or imagine, according to the power
the light that is within us. We got to use

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the light within so that when they try to punish
us for the light outside that they don't like, we
continue to resist with the divine imperative that we do
not give up until we get justice. Go shine on
the world and make a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
I'm Jesse Jack's and Jia. You've been listening to the
Jesse Jackson Junior Show on Wealthy Wednesdays with Doctor s
Todd YERI one foot in the pulpit one foot in
the courtroom. He is simply the man. Thank you for
the word of hope, Doctor Yerie.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Good to be with you. No beef liver, though I
love you very much.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Until next time.