May 6, 2025 • 53 mins
Pacific Justice Institute's (PJI) founder Brad Dacus joins Joe to discuss legal issues of the Day that affect your parental and religious rights! www.PJI.org
AND as always, we'll be covering current events, including those weird news items that you may not have heard or read in the mainstream media accounts.
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Is your mayor.
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You see them sometimes walking around blindly with dead eyes,
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Not knowing what they do, not caring you mean like democrats.
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You know I mean welcome, as I say, to another
session of sanity.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I think it is. You may not, but I just
find this just so interesting. Is that what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
We've got the Supreme Court came down with a ruling.
It says that Trump has the right to band transgender
soldiers now for no other reason my understanding.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Or part of it.
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Now, some of you want to say he's transformed the cobophobic.
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I don't know. Whatever.
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I go down a list of people that he's appointed
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nine percent of the Obama Clinton right Biden appointed judges
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are fighting against Trump big time.
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Right.
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Us nuts.
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All right, Well, I'm understanding right now that India is
launching massive missile attack on Pakistan as the full blown
war threatens to break out between the two nuclear powers.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I like the way they say that two nuclear powers. Yeah, okay,
yes they do have nuclear powers. But are they but
will they break out a full fledged for using the
nuclear you know, their nuclear arsenal? And again this is
it's it's amazing. Some of you don't want to hear it.
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I don't really care, but it is amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How Trump.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Left what he left office. We were in peace. We
weren't having this trouble. We were in peace period. That's
it pretty much all across the planet. And now look
at all the unrest after four years. Look at all
the unrest.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Footage has emerged showing the Indian Armed Forces launching multiple
missile strikes into Pakistan. You know, both countries, you know,
have nuclear weapons. We've got that, and India is not
holding back and Pakistan is getting pounded right now. I
can't tell you totally why this has started. Right now,
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The Indian government released the following statement confirming the assault.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
A little while ago, the Indian.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Armed Forces launched Operation Sindoor, hitting a terrorists and terrors
terrorists infrastructures in Pakistan and Pakistan occupied Jammu and Kashmir
from where terrorist attacks against India have been planned and
directed from Our actions have been focused, measured in a
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non escalatory in nature. No Pakistani military facilities have been targeted.
India has demonstrated considerable restraint in the selection of its
targets and.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
The method that it executes them.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The Indian Defense min It's also released the statement confirming
the attack, saying it came in response to previous terror
attacks launched by Pakistani forces. These steps came in the
wake of the barbaric Pogram terrorist attack, in which twenty
five Indians and won Nepoly citizen were murdered. Our actions
have been focused, measured and non escalatory. Right, India has
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demonstrated considerable restraint in selection of targets and the.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Method of execution.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
A total nine targets were terror targets reportedly hit in Pakistan.
Pakistan occupied cash Bear missiles were confirmed to have been
fired at Coutally Oh yeah, I'm not gonna try this
one and several locations.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
How's that? But you know, this is exactly what Israel
is not doing enough. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Pakistan military spokesman said that they will respond to it
at a time and a place of its own.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Shooting.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He said this heinous provocation will not go unanswered. The
Gateway pundit uh is reporting all of last week that
the Pakistani Defense minits said that military incursions by neighboring
India is imminent following a deadly militant attack on tourists
in Kashmir in the previous week. Well, okay, so what
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did what did Pakistan? I'm not taking aside here what
did Pakistan do?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I mean to take care of those quote unquote terrorists?
So I would love you know, I don't know enough
about this and I can't get into it deeply because
I don't know.
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Enough about it.
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But this is exactly you know, these countries that harbor terrorists,
that don't say anything or deal with these terrorist attacks,
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Really, it is the way we win. And I do
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All right, here we go the again, no one's above
the law, but they are above the law.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I find that this is just so amusing.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers, he's saying that he's being
politically persecuted because Tom Holm, Tom Homan, he's told local
news sources that harboring and concealing illegal aliens is a
felony right And he said to the governor said, well.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Hopefully you don't do that.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And if nobody is above the law, you have to ask, right,
if nobody is above the law, then why did these
democratic governors think that they have a right to break
the federal law? After constantly hearing about no one is
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above the law. So, following the rest of Wisconsint Judge
Hannah Dugan, the governor sent out to me memo on
April eighteenth that lays out explicit steps for state workers
to follow and harbor, follow and harbor follow and harbor
illegal aliens by obstructing ice.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
As The Gateway pun reported a couple of weeks ago,
Homan wasponted to this action by the governor on Thursday,
telling the the Telling the Gateway punnit in an interview.
If you cross that line of impediment or knowingly harboring
and conceding concealing illegal aliens, that's a felony. We will
treat it as such. Now, they went through pretzels. They
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twisted himself up like pretzel threatzels to try to nail
President Trump.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
At merri A Lago.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
They did all kinds of illegal and nasty stuff. But Holmand,
you know, he doesn't have to. The law is the
law is the law, as they say. So if that's
the truth of what's the issue here, what's the problem?
So he said, wait till you see it coming, he said,
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in a warning against anybody who breaks the law, including
the Wisconsin governor and others who seek to conceal illegals
in violation of eight US Code thirteen twenty four. On Friday,
Evers released a video statement responding to home Into, claiming
that the chilling threat was an example the Trump administration
abusing its power to threaten everyday Americans in his country. Well,
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first of all, you're not an every day American. That's
number one. He was outraged that Holman would issue a
warning to politicians.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
For violating the law.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right, and I bet you wrote nothing or were not
upset at all.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
With a drug.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And Rudy Giuliani basically in chains a man his age,
like he's gonna run away, like he's gonna give him pushback. Really,
I mean just amazing. Right, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers here
and he said, I'm speaking to you today as your governor,
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but also as a concernedive American. Yesterday, Trump administration official,
in not so many words, apparently threatened to Arrecipe for
distributing guidance at asked state agency employees to consult with
an attorney if federal agents show up at the state
building with legal documents. They don't have to consult with
any attorney. When you have the documents, they know what
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the documents look like. He said, the goal of this
guidance was simply to provide clear, consistent instructions to state
employees and sure that they have a lawyer to help
them comply with the federal state laws.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Nothing more and nothing less. Yeah, not true.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
But Republicans of their right wing allies, including Elon Musk,
see how they throw all this together, lie about this guidance,
spreading misinformation, excuse me of doing things I didn't do
or say, and field fake controversy. That's funny. They never mind.
I haven't broken the law, I haven't committed a crime.
I've never encouraged. You know what's funny about this is
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he told Tom Holman said, at point blank, if you
if you cross over, if you do this, if you
do that.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
He didn't say you did it.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
He's just one of you up front because he already
knows what you've said in the past.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Eight five five Ye, Joe eight five five, seventh three
two five five sixth three. He said, we now have
a federal government that will threaten or arrests an elected
official or even everyday American citizens who have broken who
have who have broken I love this, who have broken
broken no laws, committed no crimes, and done nothing wrong.
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And as disgusted as I am about to continued action
as a Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I'm not afraid.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I've never once discouraged from doing the right thing, and
I will not start today. I swore an oath when
I took this office to support the constitution in the
United States and the constitution of Wisconsin. So you know,
here's here's a guy. Uh, here's a guy that's just
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honestly and fully thinks that he is above the law,
all right, that he doesn't have to answer to much
of anything because he's the governor, which means he can
do everything. Sorry to continuing actions in the Trump administration
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that I'm not afraid. I've never once been discouraged from
doing the right thing, breaking the laws, doing the right thing. Really,
I swore note that I was. I would took that
this office support the Constitution the United States. And you're
doing that by hiding illegals and telling people how to
hide the legals as a governor.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Isn't that great?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Hoband responded on Monday during a segment I guess she
was with Martha m He was with Martha McCallan on Fox.
He simply reiterated his previous warning and slamming the governor
for claiming he was threatened.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
He said, I've.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Arrested US citizens for harboring and stealing the aliens in
their workplace or their homes when I was an agent.
Why should it be a free for all for elected officials? Plea,
just don't cross the line. Think about that now, home
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and there's no he said, there was no threat. I
simply reiterated what would happen if you cross the line?
Know what I mean? There there there you talk about
gaslighting people right, talking about turning it up wrong, just
dead wrong. As I said, A five five real Joe
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America's news update, I'm John Schaeffer. Canada's Prime minister firmly
told President Trump that his country is not for sale
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Prime Minister Mark Carney responded that some real estate isn't
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granted the White House's emergency request to lift a nationwide
injunction blocking the policy during ongoing litigation. The US trade
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Dollars in March.
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Horrible.
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We are back, Joe, missing your host. Always a pleasure
to have you with me. Eight five five real Joe
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get them all, get engaged, truly be part of the solution.
It's the way we all win. It's the way you
make a difference when you get informed. Okay, don't don't
don't be Facebook attorneys or or you know, Facebook doctors, right,
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I mean, make sure you know what the heck you're
talking about I've never claimed that I have a clue
when it comes to the law. I've never claimed I
have any kind of legal prowess at all. Right, That's
why I bring in the experts. That's why I ask
Brad Dakis for Pacific Justice. It's the two to join
me and I always appreciate his time with me.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Brad.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
How are we doing, No, we're doing just great good.
I'm glad to hear it, and we're seeing some good
things happen. We're you know, the president is pardoning some
of these people that were not necessarily directly involved in
Jay six, but some of the J six debackle that
went down, I have. I got a gut feeling that
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some of this stuff is really going to break over
the next few months as to who did what and
who allowed what. There's a lot of subpoenas being issued,
there's a lot of people being talked with. But you know,
look at some of the people he's let loose from
from prison that were put in there for simply praying
from outside of a you know, outside of a planned
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parenthood or an abortion center. You know, watch some of
this stuff and his hope now that I gave you
all that positive stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Let me give you some negative stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You heard about the what was that up in in
in oh God, up in Oregon or Washington where they
had the the pastors are being arrested or one has
been arrested for praying out there in the street. But
yet they're they're letting the Muslims do their prayer there
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in the street. And I've learned from you that is
the form of discrimination, is it not?
Speaker 17 (28:00):
It is And we have those kinds of cases all
across the country at the Pacific Justice Institute. You know,
it's Joe, I tell you, it's it's keeping us very busy.
We're very We're very you know, but you know we're
we're committed to make sure these people get representation. It's
clearly a double standard, you know, if you have someone
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out there sharing their their faith, uh, and you've got
these other groups who has a different worldview. You know,
it's it's it's just happened so frequently, and that's why
we have to step in and make sure of that
law enforcement in these blue cities, dark blue cities and
areas know that they have to invite by the constitution
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when it comes to these these matters.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
You know, Brad, somebody asked me last time you were on,
but they asked it like the last two minutes of
the show.
Speaker 18 (28:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Some of these people that have been jailed improperly right
where you can where you can prove it with prosecutorial
misconduct somewhere around those lines, can you sue the city,
the state, whoever who did that to you?
Speaker 17 (29:12):
Possibly? The general rule of law is that law enforcement
the start as law enforcement officers and uh, district attorneys.
You know there you if they do something once they
keep a bridge upon free speech, for example frear size religion,
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you know, for people to say preaching on street corners. Uh,
you know, then then there is an understood immunity from
civil liability. But if they show a continued.
Speaker 19 (29:42):
Pattern of it.
Speaker 17 (29:45):
And where they are, you know, they file charges in
the last minute they drop the charges. So are doing
this to harass people? Well then you have a civil lawsuit.
And we've had something like that before, I in Las Vegas.
But that's the case. All that's what we're dealing with
because law enforcements sometimes they do make mistakes. But where
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we were talking about here is not mistakes. We're talking
about deliberate bigotry. And hostility towards the messaging or specifically
the messaging of faith.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, I do find I find some of this stuff
that I'm reading, the cases that I'm reading is the
weeks go on and we deal with You're looking at it,
and every judge around every corner seems to be jumping
all over Trump stuff, right and trying to stop them
from doing it. You have these judges that are looking
at some violent crimes. Uh, and depending on what color
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you are will depend on whether or not you do
jail time or even face the judge. And you I
don't know if it was the DA in one of
these cities who said that when the judge handed down
a sentence or when they when they prosecuted, they needed
to take into consideration the color and you know, the
the socioeconom I'm a situation of the person that they're
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taking the court. I was floored by that. I want
to know, how how do you get away with that?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Can you get away with it?
Speaker 15 (31:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 17 (31:09):
I am floored too when I hear that, because it's
this blatant unequal treatment, unequal detection under the law, violation
of the Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection clause and others. So Uh, yeah,
it's it's outrageous.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
You know.
Speaker 17 (31:25):
Part of the problem is, you know, we have complacency
wumber one with guarded state courts. You know, these judges
are re elected by the people. Well if you have
if the constituents themselves are in favor of that kind
of of a racist, bigotry unequal treatment, Uh, then they're
going to re elect that judge. Now that said, that
(31:48):
doesn't mean that the judges action can't be challenged in
a in a civil court of law, and uh, you know,
not just reverse but but also the collection attorney sees
and you know, even potential other other damages. But uh,
that's uh, it's it is outrageous, and it's just so
(32:09):
sad we have those kind of people serving as judges
in our country that are just so divergent from case
law as well as the constitution.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Well you saw what just happened when Ashley Babbitt. And
I'm glad that her family is getting some This is
not this is not total restoration, but I'm glad they're
getting some. But you know, I'm thinking of all those
Jay six people who actually sat in prison without a
without a court date for quite some time, and a
lot of them that are being let out, if they
(32:42):
come back at us or at the judges or at
the government, do they stand a chance of getting I
mean a lot of them lost their jobs, I lost
their livelihood, they lost their homes, and it's a little uh,
it's a little late for that. Is there any recourse?
Speaker 17 (32:59):
Yeah, there is potential recourse, you know, and you have
to look at each situation and you know the extent
to which was there it was a matter of procedure.
Was there direct this treatment of them because of their beliefs.
There's just so many things you have to look at,
(33:20):
but it's definitely a possibility. And then you know, you
could also have the President United States decide to you know,
settle compensate them for the tyranny that took place. Should
I should lossuits like that be filed.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I would.
Speaker 17 (33:36):
I would not be surprised if if we saw such litigation.
They're not too distant future, but we'll have to wait
and see.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I wish that there has to be something now. The
only thing that bothers me is that the taxpayers. I
talked about this last night, the actually Babbitt settlement, that
thirty million dollars comes out of your pocket, in my pocket.
We had nothing to do with it. No would we
had gone in that direction. But I'm telling people, I said,
you know, what would be great is to go after
(34:06):
the cop to the shooting, Go after Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Go after the people that.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Were directly responsible for her murder, not not her accidental shooting,
but her I'm going to call it a murder.
Speaker 17 (34:17):
Right, Yeah, And it was this is the usage of force.
It was not necessary.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (34:23):
You know that the person who was killed had no
guns on them, There was no imminent threat of you know,
fatal harm. Uh you know it's uh, yeah, they they
they they acted inappropriately and in killing her, and you
know this is yeah, it's a tragedy. It's really a tragedy.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
And the sad part is I've talked to some people
that I thought were well well informed, you know, kept
up on things, and finding out that hey, you know what, no,
they don't.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
They have no idea, you know, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
In the legal world, and say what's happening and that
kind of stuff. I was talking to somebody about what's
going on in Florida where you have a judge now,
and I Brad, I don't know if they can really
do this, right, but they have a judge that has
told the Florida a g you cannot arrest, tell your
officers they can't arrest or prosecute illegals.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
That that's the.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Federal government's job breaking a law, breaking a law. It
doesn't matter whether it's a federal law of state law.
Speaker 17 (35:28):
Right, right, Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. And the judicial
activism trying to support enforcement of the law in regards
to illegals who violate the law is just a complete
breach of their oath into both in terms of the prosecutor,
(35:49):
but also more in this case, in terms of judges
that are just overt activists using their black robes, and
they're really you know, they're just political activists wishing to
sport the efforts of the president to President Donald Trump.
You know, I we didn't see this kind of active
as though, actually.
Speaker 19 (36:08):
Went Obama.
Speaker 17 (36:11):
SA people across the border. The overall majority of those
teen across the border did not have a trial or
a hearing across the border because they were here.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
We gotta go, we gotta go for a quick break. Hang, Tyke,
got a lot more coming up after the break. Brad
Daks will still be with us. We'll be right back.
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Get involved in a gate, be part of the lovel
To be part of the scout does make it better
and you get the appreciate the need to move forward.
Bred Dakos joins me. He is the founder of Pacific
Justice Institute. Love what he's with me? We get straight
answers or what's going on in the what's it called
brad judiciary?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Judiciary? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I can never get that right, you know, But why
don't you tell us before we get too far into it?
Tell me or tell us what PJI it's what it
does and how we can help you.
Speaker 17 (42:41):
You bet, we have Pacific Justice Institute. We're a nonprofit
five oh one C three legal organization and we're committed
to defending religious freedom, parents, right, fainty of life with
attorneys all over the country and thirty six offices coast
to coast, two or two urns, many cases, an active
litigation and uh, if people need help or they they're
(43:04):
an attorney that would like to join us. So we're
we're growing, we're hiring more attorneys. They should go to
our website and it's like to support an organization. We're
a nonprofit five O one C three tax deductible charity organization.
Just go to p j I dot org, p j
I dot o r G, p j I dot org.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
And as I told you people the past, you know
this isn't free. It costs a lot of money to
move their stuff through the court system. And can you
recoup any of your expenses from the people that are
that you're suing if you can prove that they you know,
they're I don't know that there were damages involved in Yeah.
Speaker 19 (43:51):
Yeah, over over ninety percent of what we get involved
and we get resolved without litigation, Uh, so we don't
get attorney feece from those. But if we have to
file lawsuit.
Speaker 17 (44:02):
And we did, we litigate, uh, and we prevail, then
we are we're subject to attorney fees and we definitely
go after that if we have to litigate. We want
the other side to feel it so that they learned
from their you know, their not to do it again.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Well, that's what I mean. That's part of what I'm
saying here is it's got to hurt. And just losing
doesn't hurt. But if you lose and you've got to
pay the other person's attorney fees, that's a big deal
because you the court costs of just getting to the
Supreme Court you once told me could be could could
come up on close to a half a million dollars,
couldn't it?
Speaker 17 (44:38):
Oh, yeah, exactly, and and so we we do that
and we we represent our clients, uh for them to
get to full justice, and we do it unapologetically and
we've discovered that's seat that's what seems to work. They
have to know you need business. And fortunately for us, uh,
the opponents, the opposition are overall very famili with specific
(45:00):
justice and suits and they know we have a very
high success rate in our litigation. It really helps when
it comes to settling.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yes, I know, I won't give out any days that
I actually talked to somebody about your organization a few
weeks ago, and that's exactly what he said. He said,
they're very successful at the at the Supreme Court level,
and they had a lot of.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Respect for you. So that was good. It was good
to hear and good to know, you know.
Speaker 17 (45:27):
Yeah, thank you. I just came back from Washington, d C. Today,
and last night I had some meetings and and I discovered,
uh that that most of the people I talked to
there seem to know very well what we're doing, and
those that I spoke to are very happy about what
we're what we're doing. So yeah, we're it's it's exciting
(45:50):
to make a real difference, and uh, on my trip
to d C. I can't talk about the details, but
just to say there's some great things that are that
are happening, and we're really excited about the few sure
with the Trump administration and what's going to be accomplished.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Well, did you have to be diffumigated when he came back?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
You know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
D loosed or degoused, I don't know whatever they call
it anyhow, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 17 (46:16):
It was really encouraging though, I tell you, Joe, to
see what they're doing and the Trumps, the Trump staff
people that I spoke with, very encouraging and uh, they're
they're hard workers and they get it. I've yeah, we're
very we're very blessed as Americans to have the kind
(46:38):
of leadership that we have there in Washington, d C.
Right now that I started from the Oval Office.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah, and you know what, I think there's even in
some of these organizations that we've heard a lot about.
I think we still have a lot of good people
working for the government, working you know, for companies that's
affiliated with But I think what ends up happening is
they get afraid of their jobs. They're worried about losing
their jobs and losing their livelihood. And that's a valid point,
(47:06):
that's a valid reason, but it's just interesting again to
me that.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
They even have to be in that position.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Remember, we're supposed to be the rule of law country.
People come here because they can quote unquote trust the government,
they can trust the legal system. And we're seeing that.
I'm not going to say it's going away, but we're
watching that kind of crumble under us. And you've been
how long have you been an attorney?
Speaker 17 (47:34):
So let's say since ninety one, so yeah, more than
thirty years.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
We'll say that, right, exactly, So you've been I mean
the changes in the legal system and changes in the
flow of how law works. You know, you have to
be scratching your head sometimes and saying, wait a minute,
this was not what it was like when I came
out of you know, college or am I just fantasizing, No.
Speaker 17 (48:02):
You're you're absolutely right. I've never when I got out
of law school, there was just an assumption that judges
respected their oaths. They were not judicial activists like we're
seeing today where they're actually politically attack people strictly because
of their politics. Never seen this before. It's it's shocking
(48:24):
it's frankly very shocking. The good news is the cockroaches
are going to be stepped on at the end of
the day. They're nauseating to acknowledge, to acknowledge them, but
we know what's going to happen. They're not going to
prevail and they will be limited from this kind of
tyranny in the future. I believe after everything is all.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Said and done, Well, you know what, again, I love
that you're around. I love that you're taking care of
or trying to take care of people and take care
of issues, and that you're there to help support and
defend some of these people. You have any recent cases.
I know I don't usually ask you this because they've noted.
Sometimes or most of the time, when you're in active litigation,
(49:04):
you really can't talk about some of the things going on.
But do you have anything going on that you can
you can tell people about and give them some hope
that we're not stuck in the meyer.
Speaker 17 (49:16):
Oh yeah, we're definitely not stuck in the Meyer. You know,
we've got we've got cases challenging the pronouns from across
the country.
Speaker 7 (49:26):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (49:27):
You know, a woman who was recently in Idaho was
booted out of her trade Yeah, I know, you think, Ida,
but we have an active office there. It's it's it's
sort of strange. It's just I always thought that was
going to be a place that was going to be
a safe, safe zone. But she was booted out of
her trade school simply because she said, look, I don't
(49:49):
want to be the bathroom if you're going to let
this man go in at any time when I'm using it,
you know that the stalls aren't exactly completely sealed, and
I just I feel very uncomfortable. They said, well to that,
you're you know, you're you're expelled. So we we have
followed a lawsuit against that trade trade school, you know,
(50:13):
things like that. They're just crazy all over the place
where we're taking on these cases. And what makes it
so unique is they don't just cherry pick a few
high profile cases. We're really working hard to make sure
that everyone gets up, that no one's busts on the
side of the road. And it's just a real joy
and privileged to have a team of a training like this.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Now.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
I know, I know we haven't been specific or anything,
and I've done that on purpose. I know that we've
had we have a couple of teachers least thing and
on the regular basis, And one of the things they
said to me was, look, you know, we're all concerned
about our jobs because things really haven't drastically changed yet.
So the question was to me was in a couple
(50:56):
of minutes, Brad, if a teacher has to do something
that they're uncomfortable doing, goes against their their you know,
religious beliefs, what can they do? Oh?
Speaker 17 (51:08):
Well, first they should call Pacific Justice Institute and we
can give them their understanding of their rights. I'd rather
them call us first then try to figure it out themselves.
Speaker 15 (51:20):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (51:20):
But that said, uh, they have, they have rights under
Title seven. If it's a religious conviction they have. They
don't want to do something they think is immoral or wrong,
like right to parents, Uh, then you know they should
That's easy. They should contact us at Pacific Justice and
we we stand by ready to defend them and go
(51:43):
to bat for them. And that's what we're that's what
we're here for. We do it all without charge, and
we're we're representing teachers, you know, like in New Jersey
against the Attorney General who ordered all the public school
teachers to lie to the parents and uh and he
used pronouns that violated their conscience.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Uh So, and if that makes it to the Supreme Court,
you know, and your you know estimation, what's the chances
that they would rule and favor of the teachers.
Speaker 17 (52:11):
Oh, I think they would rule in favor of the
teachers against the attorney general because underlying this or the
rights not only are the teachers and also the rights
of parents over their children. And we are the national
national leader in parental rights defense and advocacy, and that
we're going to continue doing that all across the country.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Well, you know what, God blessed. I appreciate what you're doing.
I know you're you're under a tight schedule too, and
I appreciate you hopping on with us. And again it's people,
don't be afraid to ask, you know, find out what's
going on. Don't be afraid to ask, and making sure
that that you've got the information you need. As you say,
you know, parents, And we'll talk about that someday. Maybe
(52:52):
we'll do two different shows, one on teachers, one on parents.
So all right, PJI dot org people check them out.
PJ Hi do Pride Dacas. Thanks so much for what
you do. God bless you man, and have.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
A safe night.
Speaker 13 (53:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Thanks Joe, all.
Speaker 15 (53:09):
Right, job suing your host.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Don't go far. A lot more coming up with doctor
Karen Sigmund in the next hour. I know you enjoy
her because you tell me. We'll be back in a
little bit.
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Speaker 1 (00:59):
I think it is. You may not, but I just
find this just so interesting. Is that what's going on?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
We've got the Supreme Court came down with a ruling.
It says that Trump has the right to band transgender
soldiers now for no other reason my understanding.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Or part of it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Now, some of you want to say he's transformed the cobophobic.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I don't know. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I go down a list of people that he's appointed
from the LGBT community. But as he says, you know,
they're required to have medication all through their lives. So
the mindset is that, look if you if you're one
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of those people that has to be on medication, you
have no business being in the military or the front
lines were in other areas. I'm not going to beat
this to death. But again, it's amazing how these ninety
nine percent of the Obama Clinton right Biden appointed judges
(02:16):
are fighting against Trump big time.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So just again, it's one of those things where I wish,
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Us nuts.
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All right, Well, I'm understanding right now that India is
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Speaker 5 (03:12):
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Speaker 3 (03:13):
I like the way they say that two nuclear powers. Yeah, okay,
yes they do have nuclear powers. But are they but
will they break out a full fledged for using the
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it's it's amazing. Some of you don't want to hear it.
(03:36):
I don't really care, but it is amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
How Trump.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Left what he left office. We were in peace. We
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it pretty much all across the planet. And now look
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Footage has emerged showing the Indian Armed Forces launching multiple
missile strikes into Pakistan. You know, both countries, you know,
have nuclear weapons. We've got that, and India is not
holding back and Pakistan is getting pounded right now. I
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The Indian government released the following statement confirming the assault.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
A little while ago, the Indian.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Armed Forces launched Operation Sindoor, hitting a terrorists and terrors
terrorists infrastructures in Pakistan and Pakistan occupied Jammu and Kashmir
from where terrorist attacks against India have been planned and
directed from Our actions have been focused, measured in a
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India has demonstrated considerable restraint in the selection of its
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Speaker 1 (05:08):
The method that it executes them.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
The Indian Defense min It's also released the statement confirming
the attack, saying it came in response to previous terror
attacks launched by Pakistani forces. These steps came in the
wake of the barbaric Pogram terrorist attack, in which twenty
five Indians and won Nepoly citizen were murdered. Our actions
have been focused, measured and non escalatory. Right, India has
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demonstrated considerable restraint in selection of targets and the.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Method of execution.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
A total nine targets were terror targets reportedly hit in Pakistan.
Pakistan occupied cash Bear missiles were confirmed to have been
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Speaker 1 (05:55):
How's that? But you know, this is exactly what Israel
is not doing enough. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Pakistan military spokesman said that they will respond to it
at a time and a place of its own.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Shooting.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
He said this heinous provocation will not go unanswered. The
Gateway pundit uh is reporting all of last week that
the Pakistani Defense minits said that military incursions by neighboring
India is imminent following a deadly militant attack on tourists
in Kashmir in the previous week. Well, okay, so what
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Speaker 1 (06:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I mean to take care of those quote unquote terrorists?
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Enough about it.
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All right, here we go the again, no one's above
the law, but they are above the law.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I find that this is just so amusing.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers, he's saying that he's being
politically persecuted because Tom Holm, Tom Homan, he's told local
news sources that harboring and concealing illegal aliens is a
felony right And he said to the governor said, well.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Hopefully you don't do that.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And if nobody is above the law, you have to ask, right,
if nobody is above the law, then why did these
democratic governors think that they have a right to break
the federal law? After constantly hearing about no one is
(14:24):
above the law. So, following the rest of Wisconsint Judge
Hannah Dugan, the governor sent out to me memo on
April eighteenth that lays out explicit steps for state workers
to follow and harbor, follow and harbor follow and harbor
illegal aliens by obstructing ice.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Right.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
As The Gateway pun reported a couple of weeks ago,
Homan wasponted to this action by the governor on Thursday,
telling the the Telling the Gateway punnit in an interview.
If you cross that line of impediment or knowingly harboring
and conceding concealing illegal aliens, that's a felony. We will
treat it as such. Now, they went through pretzels. They
(15:14):
twisted himself up like pretzel threatzels to try to nail
President Trump.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
At merri A Lago.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
They did all kinds of illegal and nasty stuff. But Holmand,
you know, he doesn't have to. The law is the
law is the law, as they say. So if that's
the truth of what's the issue here, what's the problem?
So he said, wait till you see it coming, he said,
(15:45):
in a warning against anybody who breaks the law, including
the Wisconsin governor and others who seek to conceal illegals
in violation of eight US Code thirteen twenty four. On Friday,
Evers released a video statement responding to home Into, claiming
that the chilling threat was an example the Trump administration
abusing its power to threaten everyday Americans in his country. Well,
(16:08):
first of all, you're not an every day American. That's
number one. He was outraged that Holman would issue a
warning to politicians.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
For violating the law.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Right, and I bet you wrote nothing or were not
upset at all.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
With a drug.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And Rudy Giuliani basically in chains a man his age,
like he's gonna run away, like he's gonna give him pushback. Really,
I mean just amazing. Right, Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers here
and he said, I'm speaking to you today as your governor,
(16:42):
but also as a concernedive American. Yesterday, Trump administration official,
in not so many words, apparently threatened to Arrecipe for
distributing guidance at asked state agency employees to consult with
an attorney if federal agents show up at the state
building with legal documents. They don't have to consult with
any attorney. When you have the documents, they know what
(17:05):
the documents look like. He said, the goal of this
guidance was simply to provide clear, consistent instructions to state
employees and sure that they have a lawyer to help
them comply with the federal state laws.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Nothing more and nothing less. Yeah, not true.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
But Republicans of their right wing allies, including Elon Musk,
see how they throw all this together, lie about this guidance,
spreading misinformation, excuse me of doing things I didn't do
or say, and field fake controversy. That's funny. They never mind.
I haven't broken the law, I haven't committed a crime.
I've never encouraged. You know what's funny about this is
(17:39):
he told Tom Holman said, at point blank, if you
if you cross over, if you do this, if you
do that.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
He didn't say you did it.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
He's just one of you up front because he already
knows what you've said in the past.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Eight five five Ye, Joe eight five five, seventh three
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a federal government that will threaten or arrests an elected
official or even everyday American citizens who have broken who
have who have broken I love this, who have broken
broken no laws, committed no crimes, and done nothing wrong.
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And as disgusted as I am about to continued action
as a Trump administration.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I'm not afraid.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I've never once discouraged from doing the right thing, and
I will not start today. I swore an oath when
I took this office to support the constitution in the
United States and the constitution of Wisconsin. So you know,
here's here's a guy. Uh, here's a guy that's just
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honestly and fully thinks that he is above the law,
all right, that he doesn't have to answer to much
of anything because he's the governor, which means he can
do everything. Sorry to continuing actions in the Trump administration
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that I'm not afraid. I've never once been discouraged from
doing the right thing, breaking the laws, doing the right thing. Really,
I swore note that I was. I would took that
this office support the Constitution the United States. And you're
doing that by hiding illegals and telling people how to
hide the legals as a governor.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Isn't that great?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Hoband responded on Monday during a segment I guess she
was with Martha m He was with Martha McCallan on Fox.
He simply reiterated his previous warning and slamming the governor
for claiming he was threatened.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
He said, I've.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Arrested US citizens for harboring and stealing the aliens in
their workplace or their homes when I was an agent.
Why should it be a free for all for elected officials? Plea,
just don't cross the line. Think about that now, home
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and there's no he said, there was no threat. I
simply reiterated what would happen if you cross the line?
Know what I mean? There there there you talk about
gaslighting people right, talking about turning it up wrong, just
dead wrong. As I said, A five five real Joe
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You live here, yes, or maybe you know what a
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Horrible.
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It's worse than horrible because a zombie has no will
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We are back, Joe, missing your host. Always a pleasure
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get them all, get engaged, truly be part of the solution.
It's the way we all win. It's the way you
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I mean, make sure you know what the heck you're
talking about I've never claimed that I have a clue
when it comes to the law. I've never claimed I
have any kind of legal prowess at all. Right, That's
why I bring in the experts. That's why I ask
Brad Dakis for Pacific Justice. It's the two to join
me and I always appreciate his time with me.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Brad.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
How are we doing, No, we're doing just great good.
I'm glad to hear it, and we're seeing some good
things happen. We're you know, the president is pardoning some
of these people that were not necessarily directly involved in
Jay six, but some of the J six debackle that
went down, I have. I got a gut feeling that
(27:01):
some of this stuff is really going to break over
the next few months as to who did what and
who allowed what. There's a lot of subpoenas being issued,
there's a lot of people being talked with. But you know,
look at some of the people he's let loose from
from prison that were put in there for simply praying
from outside of a you know, outside of a planned
(27:21):
parenthood or an abortion center. You know, watch some of
this stuff and his hope now that I gave you
all that positive stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Let me give you some negative stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You heard about the what was that up in in
in oh God, up in Oregon or Washington where they
had the the pastors are being arrested or one has
been arrested for praying out there in the street. But
yet they're they're letting the Muslims do their prayer there
(27:53):
in the street. And I've learned from you that is
the form of discrimination, is it not?
Speaker 17 (28:00):
It is And we have those kinds of cases all
across the country at the Pacific Justice Institute. You know,
it's Joe, I tell you, it's it's keeping us very busy.
We're very We're very you know, but you know we're
we're committed to make sure these people get representation. It's
clearly a double standard, you know, if you have someone
(28:21):
out there sharing their their faith, uh, and you've got
these other groups who has a different worldview. You know,
it's it's it's just happened so frequently, and that's why
we have to step in and make sure of that
law enforcement in these blue cities, dark blue cities and
areas know that they have to invite by the constitution
(28:44):
when it comes to these these matters.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
You know, Brad, somebody asked me last time you were on,
but they asked it like the last two minutes of
the show.
Speaker 18 (28:52):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Some of these people that have been jailed improperly right
where you can where you can prove it with prosecutorial
misconduct somewhere around those lines, can you sue the city,
the state, whoever who did that to you?
Speaker 17 (29:12):
Possibly? The general rule of law is that law enforcement
the start as law enforcement officers and uh, district attorneys.
You know there you if they do something once they
keep a bridge upon free speech, for example frear size religion,
(29:32):
you know, for people to say preaching on street corners. Uh,
you know, then then there is an understood immunity from
civil liability. But if they show a continued.
Speaker 19 (29:42):
Pattern of it.
Speaker 17 (29:45):
And where they are, you know, they file charges in
the last minute they drop the charges. So are doing
this to harass people? Well then you have a civil lawsuit.
And we've had something like that before, I in Las Vegas.
But that's the case. All that's what we're dealing with
because law enforcements sometimes they do make mistakes. But where
(30:06):
we were talking about here is not mistakes. We're talking
about deliberate bigotry. And hostility towards the messaging or specifically
the messaging of faith.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah, I do find I find some of this stuff
that I'm reading, the cases that I'm reading is the
weeks go on and we deal with You're looking at it,
and every judge around every corner seems to be jumping
all over Trump stuff, right and trying to stop them
from doing it. You have these judges that are looking
at some violent crimes. Uh, and depending on what color
(30:39):
you are will depend on whether or not you do
jail time or even face the judge. And you I
don't know if it was the DA in one of
these cities who said that when the judge handed down
a sentence or when they when they prosecuted, they needed
to take into consideration the color and you know, the
the socioeconom I'm a situation of the person that they're
(31:02):
taking the court. I was floored by that. I want
to know, how how do you get away with that?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Can you get away with it?
Speaker 15 (31:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 17 (31:09):
I am floored too when I hear that, because it's
this blatant unequal treatment, unequal detection under the law, violation
of the Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection clause and others. So Uh, yeah,
it's it's outrageous.
Speaker 7 (31:25):
You know.
Speaker 17 (31:25):
Part of the problem is, you know, we have complacency
wumber one with guarded state courts. You know, these judges
are re elected by the people. Well if you have
if the constituents themselves are in favor of that kind
of of a racist, bigotry unequal treatment, Uh, then they're
going to re elect that judge. Now that said, that
(31:48):
doesn't mean that the judges action can't be challenged in
a in a civil court of law, and uh, you know,
not just reverse but but also the collection attorney sees
and you know, even potential other other damages. But uh,
that's uh, it's it is outrageous, and it's just so
(32:09):
sad we have those kind of people serving as judges
in our country that are just so divergent from case
law as well as the constitution.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Well you saw what just happened when Ashley Babbitt. And
I'm glad that her family is getting some This is
not this is not total restoration, but I'm glad they're
getting some. But you know, I'm thinking of all those
Jay six people who actually sat in prison without a
without a court date for quite some time, and a
lot of them that are being let out, if they
(32:42):
come back at us or at the judges or at
the government, do they stand a chance of getting I
mean a lot of them lost their jobs, I lost
their livelihood, they lost their homes, and it's a little uh,
it's a little late for that. Is there any recourse?
Speaker 17 (32:59):
Yeah, there is potential recourse, you know, and you have
to look at each situation and you know the extent
to which was there it was a matter of procedure.
Was there direct this treatment of them because of their beliefs.
There's just so many things you have to look at,
(33:20):
but it's definitely a possibility. And then you know, you
could also have the President United States decide to you know,
settle compensate them for the tyranny that took place. Should
I should lossuits like that be filed.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I would.
Speaker 17 (33:36):
I would not be surprised if if we saw such litigation.
They're not too distant future, but we'll have to wait
and see.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I wish that there has to be something now. The
only thing that bothers me is that the taxpayers. I
talked about this last night, the actually Babbitt settlement, that
thirty million dollars comes out of your pocket, in my pocket.
We had nothing to do with it. No would we
had gone in that direction. But I'm telling people, I said,
you know, what would be great is to go after
(34:06):
the cop to the shooting, Go after Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Go after the people that.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Were directly responsible for her murder, not not her accidental shooting,
but her I'm going to call it a murder.
Speaker 17 (34:17):
Right, Yeah, And it was this is the usage of force.
It was not necessary.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (34:23):
You know that the person who was killed had no
guns on them, There was no imminent threat of you know,
fatal harm. Uh you know it's uh, yeah, they they
they they acted inappropriately and in killing her, and you
know this is yeah, it's a tragedy. It's really a tragedy.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
And the sad part is I've talked to some people
that I thought were well well informed, you know, kept
up on things, and finding out that hey, you know what, no,
they don't.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
They have no idea, you know, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
In the legal world, and say what's happening and that
kind of stuff. I was talking to somebody about what's
going on in Florida where you have a judge now,
and I Brad, I don't know if they can really
do this, right, but they have a judge that has
told the Florida a g you cannot arrest, tell your
officers they can't arrest or prosecute illegals.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
That that's the.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Federal government's job breaking a law, breaking a law. It
doesn't matter whether it's a federal law of state law.
Speaker 17 (35:28):
Right, right, Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. And the judicial
activism trying to support enforcement of the law in regards
to illegals who violate the law is just a complete
breach of their oath into both in terms of the prosecutor,
(35:49):
but also more in this case, in terms of judges
that are just overt activists using their black robes, and
they're really you know, they're just political activists wishing to
sport the efforts of the president to President Donald Trump.
You know, I we didn't see this kind of active
as though, actually.
Speaker 19 (36:08):
Went Obama.
Speaker 17 (36:11):
SA people across the border. The overall majority of those
teen across the border did not have a trial or
a hearing across the border because they were here.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
We gotta go, we gotta go for a quick break. Hang, Tyke,
got a lot more coming up after the break. Brad
Daks will still be with us. We'll be right back.
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and you get the appreciate the need to move forward.
Bred Dakos joins me. He is the founder of Pacific
Justice Institute. Love what he's with me? We get straight
answers or what's going on in the what's it called
brad judiciary?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Judiciary? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:26):
I can never get that right, you know, But why
don't you tell us before we get too far into it?
Tell me or tell us what PJI it's what it
does and how we can help you.
Speaker 17 (42:41):
You bet, we have Pacific Justice Institute. We're a nonprofit
five oh one C three legal organization and we're committed
to defending religious freedom, parents, right, fainty of life with
attorneys all over the country and thirty six offices coast
to coast, two or two urns, many cases, an active
litigation and uh, if people need help or they they're
(43:04):
an attorney that would like to join us. So we're
we're growing, we're hiring more attorneys. They should go to
our website and it's like to support an organization. We're
a nonprofit five O one C three tax deductible charity organization.
Just go to p j I dot org, p j
I dot o r G, p j I dot org.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
And as I told you people the past, you know
this isn't free. It costs a lot of money to
move their stuff through the court system. And can you
recoup any of your expenses from the people that are
that you're suing if you can prove that they you know,
they're I don't know that there were damages involved in Yeah.
Speaker 19 (43:51):
Yeah, over over ninety percent of what we get involved
and we get resolved without litigation, Uh, so we don't
get attorney feece from those. But if we have to
file lawsuit.
Speaker 17 (44:02):
And we did, we litigate, uh, and we prevail, then
we are we're subject to attorney fees and we definitely
go after that if we have to litigate. We want
the other side to feel it so that they learned
from their you know, their not to do it again.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Well, that's what I mean. That's part of what I'm
saying here is it's got to hurt. And just losing
doesn't hurt. But if you lose and you've got to
pay the other person's attorney fees, that's a big deal
because you the court costs of just getting to the
Supreme Court you once told me could be could could
come up on close to a half a million dollars,
couldn't it?
Speaker 17 (44:38):
Oh, yeah, exactly, and and so we we do that
and we we represent our clients, uh for them to
get to full justice, and we do it unapologetically and
we've discovered that's seat that's what seems to work. They
have to know you need business. And fortunately for us, uh,
the opponents, the opposition are overall very famili with specific
(45:00):
justice and suits and they know we have a very
high success rate in our litigation. It really helps when
it comes to settling.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Yes, I know, I won't give out any days that
I actually talked to somebody about your organization a few
weeks ago, and that's exactly what he said. He said,
they're very successful at the at the Supreme Court level,
and they had a lot of.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Respect for you. So that was good. It was good
to hear and good to know, you know.
Speaker 17 (45:27):
Yeah, thank you. I just came back from Washington, d C. Today,
and last night I had some meetings and and I discovered,
uh that that most of the people I talked to
there seem to know very well what we're doing, and
those that I spoke to are very happy about what
we're what we're doing. So yeah, we're it's it's exciting
(45:50):
to make a real difference, and uh, on my trip
to d C. I can't talk about the details, but
just to say there's some great things that are that
are happening, and we're really excited about the few sure
with the Trump administration and what's going to be accomplished.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Well, did you have to be diffumigated when he came back?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
You know, I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
D loosed or degoused, I don't know whatever they call
it anyhow, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 17 (46:16):
It was really encouraging though, I tell you, Joe, to
see what they're doing and the Trumps, the Trump staff
people that I spoke with, very encouraging and uh, they're
they're hard workers and they get it. I've yeah, we're
very we're very blessed as Americans to have the kind
(46:38):
of leadership that we have there in Washington, d C.
Right now that I started from the Oval Office.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah, and you know what, I think there's even in
some of these organizations that we've heard a lot about.
I think we still have a lot of good people
working for the government, working you know, for companies that's
affiliated with But I think what ends up happening is
they get afraid of their jobs. They're worried about losing
their jobs and losing their livelihood. And that's a valid point,
(47:06):
that's a valid reason, but it's just interesting again to
me that.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
They even have to be in that position.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Remember, we're supposed to be the rule of law country.
People come here because they can quote unquote trust the government,
they can trust the legal system. And we're seeing that.
I'm not going to say it's going away, but we're
watching that kind of crumble under us. And you've been
how long have you been an attorney?
Speaker 17 (47:34):
So let's say since ninety one, so yeah, more than
thirty years.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
We'll say that, right, exactly, So you've been I mean
the changes in the legal system and changes in the
flow of how law works. You know, you have to
be scratching your head sometimes and saying, wait a minute,
this was not what it was like when I came
out of you know, college or am I just fantasizing, No.
Speaker 17 (48:02):
You're you're absolutely right. I've never when I got out
of law school, there was just an assumption that judges
respected their oaths. They were not judicial activists like we're
seeing today where they're actually politically attack people strictly because
of their politics. Never seen this before. It's it's shocking
(48:24):
it's frankly very shocking. The good news is the cockroaches
are going to be stepped on at the end of
the day. They're nauseating to acknowledge, to acknowledge them, but
we know what's going to happen. They're not going to
prevail and they will be limited from this kind of
tyranny in the future. I believe after everything is all.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Said and done, Well, you know what, again, I love
that you're around. I love that you're taking care of
or trying to take care of people and take care
of issues, and that you're there to help support and
defend some of these people. You have any recent cases.
I know I don't usually ask you this because they've noted.
Sometimes or most of the time, when you're in active litigation,
(49:04):
you really can't talk about some of the things going on.
But do you have anything going on that you can
you can tell people about and give them some hope
that we're not stuck in the meyer.
Speaker 17 (49:16):
Oh yeah, we're definitely not stuck in the Meyer. You know,
we've got we've got cases challenging the pronouns from across
the country.
Speaker 7 (49:26):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (49:27):
You know, a woman who was recently in Idaho was
booted out of her trade Yeah, I know, you think, Ida,
but we have an active office there. It's it's it's
sort of strange. It's just I always thought that was
going to be a place that was going to be
a safe, safe zone. But she was booted out of
her trade school simply because she said, look, I don't
(49:49):
want to be the bathroom if you're going to let
this man go in at any time when I'm using it,
you know that the stalls aren't exactly completely sealed, and
I just I feel very uncomfortable. They said, well to that,
you're you know, you're you're expelled. So we we have
followed a lawsuit against that trade trade school, you know,
(50:13):
things like that. They're just crazy all over the place
where we're taking on these cases. And what makes it
so unique is they don't just cherry pick a few
high profile cases. We're really working hard to make sure
that everyone gets up, that no one's busts on the
side of the road. And it's just a real joy
and privileged to have a team of a training like this.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Now.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
I know, I know we haven't been specific or anything,
and I've done that on purpose. I know that we've
had we have a couple of teachers least thing and
on the regular basis, And one of the things they
said to me was, look, you know, we're all concerned
about our jobs because things really haven't drastically changed yet.
So the question was to me was in a couple
(50:56):
of minutes, Brad, if a teacher has to do something
that they're uncomfortable doing, goes against their their you know,
religious beliefs, what can they do? Oh?
Speaker 17 (51:08):
Well, first they should call Pacific Justice Institute and we
can give them their understanding of their rights. I'd rather
them call us first then try to figure it out themselves.
Speaker 15 (51:20):
Uh.
Speaker 17 (51:20):
But that said, uh, they have, they have rights under
Title seven. If it's a religious conviction they have. They
don't want to do something they think is immoral or wrong,
like right to parents, Uh, then you know they should
That's easy. They should contact us at Pacific Justice and
we we stand by ready to defend them and go
(51:43):
to bat for them. And that's what we're that's what
we're here for. We do it all without charge, and
we're we're representing teachers, you know, like in New Jersey
against the Attorney General who ordered all the public school
teachers to lie to the parents and uh and he
used pronouns that violated their conscience.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Uh So, and if that makes it to the Supreme Court,
you know, and your you know estimation, what's the chances
that they would rule and favor of the teachers.
Speaker 17 (52:11):
Oh, I think they would rule in favor of the
teachers against the attorney general because underlying this or the
rights not only are the teachers and also the rights
of parents over their children. And we are the national
national leader in parental rights defense and advocacy, and that
we're going to continue doing that all across the country.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Well, you know what, God blessed. I appreciate what you're doing.
I know you're you're under a tight schedule too, and
I appreciate you hopping on with us. And again it's people,
don't be afraid to ask, you know, find out what's
going on. Don't be afraid to ask, and making sure
that that you've got the information you need. As you say,
you know, parents, And we'll talk about that someday. Maybe
(52:52):
we'll do two different shows, one on teachers, one on parents.
So all right, PJI dot org people check them out.
PJ Hi do Pride Dacas. Thanks so much for what
you do. God bless you man, and have.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
A safe night.
Speaker 13 (53:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Thanks Joe, all.
Speaker 15 (53:09):
Right, job suing your host.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Don't go far. A lot more coming up with doctor
Karen Sigmund in the next hour. I know you enjoy
her because you tell me. We'll be back in a
little bit.
Speaker 12 (53:38):
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