Hollywood Influencer Deals Are Ruining Love for Movies, Keanu Reeves Movies Draft

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Speaker 1 (00:21):
What's up everybody, and welcome to a brand new episode
of The Hot Mike Here on the John Roga Channel.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I am John Roge.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Jones is always by the end Sneider himself, Jeff Snyder.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hello, jenniber I got my pretzels, someway to fucking rock
and roll today.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
It sounds like you're ready to go.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Hyeah.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
We got so much to talk about today.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
We're gonna jump into as we have on the title
of the episode here, the unholy pact that these studios
have made with influencers is breakdown on THHR about how
deep the influencer community is affecting Hollywood and working with
Hollywood and if Hollywood is actually behind the curb on
this kind of stuff. If you can believe that, we're
just gonna jump into our Canna Reeves movie draft is

(01:08):
not a top ten list, but a movie's draft. So
a lot of movies and contention where Jeff and I
to go back and forth. But we've got a bunch
of news going on the world of entertainment, casting stuff
all kinds up and guess what, James Gunn is directing
more DC movies.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
So we got so much to get into.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Jeff how are you, How are things, what's the deal,
what's the what were you working on today? What can
you tease my man about stuff that's happening there on
your newsletter in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I'm just chasing a bunch of development stories right now.
I actually got some. I got one confirmed. Oh I'm
chasing a bigger one. So yeah, that's that was kind
of my day. I met with a lovely fan of
this show. Oh, had had a nice breakfast just chatting
about the biz and my brother last night about merch. Yeah,

(01:54):
we got to arranger zoom.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Call me you and him, Yes, definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
After about that and create a little store and give
back to the people.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
The people. I hear you, man, I hear you. We're
definitely gonna definitely gonna square that away at some point
here for sure. But let's remind everybody of the stream
Labs and super chats are open. If you've got questions,
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(02:24):
the chats and description of the video, and you know
how to do superchat.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
We let's not waste the time. Yeah, I want to
jump in to stuff that broke as we were getting
on the air here and the first one that I
was looking at. This is really fascinating. We've got the
reunion of Margaret Quality and Aubrey Plaza. They are coming
back together to work on yet another film that might
fail at the box office here, and that is Go

(02:52):
Beavers from Ethan Cohen. This is coming off a well
placed source that's telling Jordan Romi over there world of
real that this is happening. Of course heard we've seen
what happened with Honey Don't. So this film is supposed
to be called Go Beaver's and this is right after
Driveway Dolls and Honey Don't. So this is happening, Jeff,
Does this make any sense considering the box office what

(03:13):
we just got here? Or is this more like, you
know what, I'm just gonna go ahead finish it and
no one's gonna stop me in f it?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Is that what's going on here?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I'm still I don't even know about this story until
you just told me.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Oh really, Okay, Well, this.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Seems like a silly cast to try and run back
after the failure of Honey Don't.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh, they're apparently talks to star. The screenplay is not finished,
there's no distributor, but they're looking at making this for
around another twenty million. Again, and this continues Ethan Cohen's
collaboration with his wife and longtime.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Editor Tricia Cook a story.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
This story centers on a lesbian college rowing team that
reunites years later, only for members to begin mysteriously dying.
Cohen described the project as a genre film, comparing to
walk about a deliverance.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
That sounds a lot better than Honey Don't. I'll tell
you that much.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, but this is part of what lesbian B movie trilogy?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Right and so.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
But like the it's the law of diminishing returns with
every one of these films. So is this like Ethan
just being obstinate about it and he's gonna finish it
no matter what it is. And why would any studio
fund it nowadays with the losses that are happening even with.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
For big movies, you know, I mean, do studios fund
his movies? Or does do the Cohens just get like
access to independent financing like the last the right right?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Right?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, I forget it was Honey Don't like a focus
feature I have no fucking idea. I had no interest
in seeing it. I know that these are loosely connected,
but right, yeah, but they're also not. I wouldn't look
at it like, oh, this is a franchise. In the
first two Milt movies flop, so why would you do

(04:57):
the third? To me, this is a totally new movie,
and it sounds like the best one of them, right,
I mean quality is a rising star. Abby Plaza, like
you know, has done some great work. Not quite a
movie star. But I don't know if if they if
Cone keeps the the budget low, this is going to

(05:17):
be a genre movie, I think it'll be appealing.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, I mean six Man is what around seven min
is what the last one made, and Driveway Dolls made
eight million overall.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
But and that happened stars like Pedro Pascal and Matt Damon.
So it goes to show that at the end of
the day, it's about whether people want to see this story.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, yeah, good point.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, for sure, all the story and it's a lot
easier to sell lesbian uh you know, Deliverance than it is.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Ever, Honey Don't was exactly film more.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, listen, Jeff, you're on f y C.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I know, you know a lot of you have a
lot of opinions on the Oscar stuff, but this one
popped up as well, apparently according to some gold Derby.
I know you don't put a lot of stocking gold Derby,
but Tiana Taylor has apparently suddenly become the odds on
favorite to be number one in the Best Supporting Actress race.
She seems to be the odds on favorite at this point.
She's only on screen for twenty minutes of one bet

(06:16):
lefter or another, and of course there's that letter she
reads near the end.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
So what are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Do you buy into any of this or do you
sell this idea that Tiana Taylor could be number one
on the Best Supporting Actress list here for an Oscar?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I mean I thought she was absolute dynamite. Yeah, I
buy it, Okay, you could see her winning. I totally
wanted more of her.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
It was pretty I mean to me, it's.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
The film stand out supporting female performance. Some people will
consider Chasing Finnity supporting as well, she's running in lead.
But I always thought Tanana Taylor had a much better
chance than her if they were all in the same
category better chance and chasing a better chance of Regina Hall.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, I mean looking at the list here, Amy Madigan
on gold Derby isn't even in the top five. Amy
Madigan is sixth for weapons.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Amy Madigan is getting nominated. What do these people know?
They don't know anything. They're just supposed to be but
they're supposed to be the gold standard. Jeff, you're looking
at the gold standard. I'm just not allowed on Penske properties.
And they're gonna put my face on a Penske property.
They called me from the list. I used to be
on the list when Tom O'Neal was running it. Oh,
Penske has control of it, and uh, you know, like

(07:34):
fucking Donovan, the woman who who is at Amazon who
was running their awards thing. So okay, whatever, I don't
give a shit to what they think. I care more.
I'm more interested with the gate crashers think, right.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, I guess yeah. Twana's number one, l Fanning, number two,
Ariana Grande three, Inga Ipsdatter, Lilias for sentimental value was fourth,
and Gwyneth Paltrow from Marty Supreme.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
You saw Marty Supreme? Do you think Gwyneth will get the.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
A non the idea.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Guys, these are all ass kissing people. What they do
is they go and they look at everyone else's list
and they say, oh, yeah, I don't want to be
the person who looks crazy here and suggesting Amy Madigan,
so I'm just gonna go along with the crowd or whatever,
or they just look at most of them probably have
not seen Marty Supreme.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's just because I have a good relationship with A
twenty four that I was invited, So most people haven't
seen Marty Supreme. In to them, I understand this, thinking,
whatever you haven't seen yet and don't know, well, it
could be great, right, And so Gwyneth Poucher's on the list.
I saw the performance. Yeah, but it was fine. Nice
to have her back. The idea that she's better than
Amy Madigan was and Weapons, No, that's a little bit

(08:46):
how good Amy Madigan was in Weapons. And the next
two weeks when you walk outside your fucking house and
half the women our age are dressed like Amy Madigan Weapons.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's for sure. That's for sure.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
See. Yeah, I thought it was odd that town and
would go all the way up to the top, but
you know, she is dynamite in that movie. I don't
disagree with you at all. This also just dropped out.
This gets your thoughts on this real quick. These are
the first images we have. The first is set images
from the set here of Anthony Ipolito as a semester
Stallone in that I Play Rocky movie. Coming to us

(09:21):
from Peter Fairley, one of your favorite directors because he
directed Green Book. They've started the production on the film,
inspired by the story of how Slice the Loan came
to make his nineteen seventy six classic Rocky. They're already
shooting this thing, Jeff, So your thoughts are these first
initial shots of Anthony as a young Sylvester Stallone in
the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Here, Hey, hey, this is a fuck your Rocky. Ay.
I'm just surprised that he bulked up. I mean that
was always the thing. Yes, he has that look. He
played Paccino in the Offer. Right, Paccino and Stallone don't
look much alike. But if you put you know, if
you pack thirty or forty pounds a must on Paccino,

(10:01):
then maybe he would actually start to look like Slone.
They both have kind of like the same eye. Right,
It's I don't know, it's interesting casting. The guy's a
good actor. Yeah, it's a great story of how Sylvester
Versusilon got it got it made. And I really like
the cast that that they are surrounding him with. From

(10:22):
the guy who I wrote about in my newsletter last week,
Scott Teller who's playing very young, to the people they
added today, PJ Burn, J Duplas, Terry Letts, Tracy Letts. Sorry,
So yeah, this is a project to keep an eye on.
It's from the director of Green Book, so he might
surprise everybody.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, I think it's fascinating because you look at it,
uh with they're not just grabbing actors that are like
you know that go like usually like straight to streaming
type actors. These are actors that actually have some kind
of weight to them when you mentioned someone like Tracy Letts.
So it's a fascinating cast that they're putting together, both
a mixture of new and veteran actors as being a
part of this. And for comparison, here's stallone on the

(11:03):
set of Rocky with a young Italian and a young
Bert Young and you look at this kid, there's not
I mean, there's it's pretty close you can squint a
little bit and see. I think rock is jawline is
a little stronger. But if you squint your eyes you
can kind of see the comparison.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
To all of this.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I'm just gonna be curious see what s Wester Sloane
says about I really hasn't said a word about it.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'm waiting for him to say something.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
About it, you know, so I'm curious to see what
he's gonna say.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
What's what's he gonna say? This? Kidd ain't no stallone,
he ain't got what it takes. Maybe think this isn't
how it really happened. Let me tell you the real story.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
It's a Kentucky Fried idiot.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
I mean, I don't think he's gonna say those things.
I think he's gonna be supportive and yeah, yeah, got
it mostly right.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
It might be right on that. Oh, another story we
got here going on.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Speaking of dudes who are pretty massive, let's look at
the Rock here man, The Rock and Benny Safti are.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Back together again.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
We did. We talked about the Lizard music film that
was being done by them, but fresh off the Smashing
Machines flop. The Smashing machine flopping at the box office.
They're they've lined up their next collaboration. It is called
Lizard Music and Meditation of Daniel Pinkwater's cult novel The
saf d will direct, rite, and direct, with Johnson taking
on the role of the eccentric chicken Man. The package

(12:24):
only hit hit the market last month, and already Amazon
MGM's United Artist division has acquired it. So are you
surprised how quickly this one picked up? Considering these guys
just combined together to make less than ten million of
the box office?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Was it quick? I mean, it's been a month. Can't
they make deals over night these days? It took a
month to sell.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I'm surprised that sold at all, let alone in a month.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
I mean, I'm kind of surprised too. I'm sure the
Rock was like, you guys are gonna buy this fucking
movie because I didn't just lose thirty pounds to play
the chicken man in the movie that's not getting made.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Maybe you're right, Jeff, Maybe you're right now.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I mean, you know, I have no idea. It's a
weird book. I really like you growing up as a kid,
very curious to see what kind of movie it results.
In maybe Amazon sees it as a potential Awards contender
next year. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
It's fascinating to me, and I'm so confused about why
why you would go. But again, it's the Rock, right,
so you think the Rock, Well put it together and
you want might maybe you can sell it.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Maybe it's a kids thing so more people will come
to see it. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
The Rock's just waiting for that Aeronofski movie to get
off the ground at a twenty four breakthrough and they're
waiting for like maybe another draft of the script or
something like that, or for Aeronofski to work his magic
on it. But I think that that movie ultimately will
get made, and I think that could be a decent movie.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
But this is what is Safi doing though? Man, what
are your thoughts on him going down this path with
Dwayne Johnson? Like is he hiding out a little bit?
It's kind of like, Hey, I got a guy who's
really famous, so I'm just gonna attach myself to him
and do a couple of movies with him while I'm
in this battle with my brother, Like I don't understand
the logic, Well.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
You got to understand that. Until January mid January. This
is all about getting doing Everything that he does is
calculated and is about getting him a nomination for The
Smatching Machine.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Okay, so this is.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Benny saying like, well, nobody showed up from my movie.
I don't care. This guy was great and I'm gonna
work with him again just to show you all, you fuckers.
That's what it is to me.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, was it really Scott or Nolan this week who
came out and said, like the Smashing Machine, Nolan will
be appreciated as it gets farther away from this.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Is the greatest performance of the year and in most years,
which is like, you know, he's bringing out the big
guns there to get Nolan to say something, And I
did Nolan say it on his own? Was he?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Who starred in in Oppenheimer? Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Was kill Murphy and Blunt?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Keep going down the list.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Really keep going down the list, Jason Clark.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
You can see the connection here, Gosh Hartnett, Benny Safti.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Benny Safti was in that.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
That's right, Benny Safti is in Albenheimer. So to me,
it's not the craziest thing that no one would come
out and say, well, guess what. Benny Saftie's movie is
great and you should all see it because.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
It Dwayne Fair.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
He was good in that too. I liked Safti that
he was good. All right. So what about this Jeff
fake very curious thing that came across from the rap
here that Jim Carrey is apparently in talks to start
in a live action version of The Jetsons for Warner Brothers,
with Colin Trevarro circling to direct and co write the script.

(15:41):
For those you don't remember, the Jetsons were a family,
a futuristic family. This show was made in the nineteen sixties,
then had a mid nineteen eighties revival, and now apparently
there is a live action version of things. This thing
that's happening with Jim Carrey. You know, I did this
story yesterday. But some people have said, well, why do
you think Jim Carrey is playing in Georg jets thing.
He's too old to play George Jetson. I don't think

(16:03):
he could play. I don't think he's gonna play the
Spaceley Sprockets, the mean boss of George Jetson. What do
you think about this?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
That was one of the last things I put in
the newsletter last night was like, you know, I think
people assume he's playing George Jess Yeah, I assumed it.
But it's also given how young Judy and el Roy are.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, it's supposed to be teenagers and a seven year
old or eight year old something like that.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I could see him maybe playing something else, like like,
I don't know if there's a villain in the movie,
just like he's playing the villain and Sonic the Hedgehog.
That may again, Hollywood is kind of myopic like that,
and if they say, oh, successful family franchise with Jim
Carrey not as the hero but as the villain, maybe
we just do that over here. Yeah, so I don't know.

(16:52):
But at the same time, I don't think he's that
like he's just like there's no way he could play
George Jetson, right. You know when I heard Jim Carrey,
first of all, I didn't believe it because I'd heard
it last week and I didn't even look into it
because like, this doesn't really make sense to me. Yeah,
but like think of like I think Steve Carell would
make a great George Jetson.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh yeah right, yeah, yeah, just.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's easier for him to for me to see him
having like teenage kids, like rightin in real life or something.
You don't often see Jim Carrey as as a parent
of teens.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah, he's sixty three years old now, Jim, which is
kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
How old is Steve Carrell fifty six?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Fifty almost be in his fifties at least? Uh?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, Carell is uh no, he's sixty three, same fucking age.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Wow, there you go. They don't strike me as sixty
three year old guys. They strike me as like that
in their mid fifties.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
So it's an interesting avenue for sure. So we'll see
what ends up coming with that. And but what about
the Trevarro side of things? Does that surprise you do?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
That also surprised me. Yeah, I hadn't I heard about
Jim Carrey. But and that's why I was like, Jim Carrey,
would they gonna build this around him? Like he he
can't lead a super expensive movie like this, But I
guess if you have a giant director like Colin Trevarro,
helm that that assuages any fears.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
But doesn't he mean like he's on a yes, he
had Jurassic World, right, And then what dominion. But I
mean it's not like that. If they want to stay
with Travalro, they could have stayed with Trevall, but they didn't. Uh,
and they look a book of Henry and they got
removed All Star Wars. Does this guy need a redemption thing?
Even though he's probably made, he's probably a multi millionaire.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I don't need to work here.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Trevarro broke out with safety, not garing.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
That was the first one way back when yes.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
About a guy who wanted a partner in like time traveling? Right,
what if this involves time travel? Oh, either the Jetsons
going back and people are you know, and people are
like holy, like, I mean, I know, we're starting to
have flying cars and all these fucking things that that
the Jetsons promised, right, I don't know if they'd be

(19:15):
going back in time and being like oh, yeah, like
this is nothing to me, or if they'd be going
even for who fucking knows. I don't know what. I
don't know what the take is. The Contevarro, I think,
is a decent higher for this.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, okay, do you have any ideas in your mind
of who could play the other characters? Play his wife
or Judy I mean I see Karen nominating Ariana Grande.
Arian Grondi's thirty two years old, Karen, I hate to
break it to you, So I don't see her taking
the role of Judy.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Maybe Sabrina's twenty six.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Teleone as Jane his wife with Dick and Jane.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I like that remake. I thought it was a good remake,
not a great one, BUTO th that was good. Yeah,
I have no idea who would be I say, Rachel mcada,
So that one came to mind yesterday because.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
In their sixties, though was that? I mean, I don't know,
I really don't know. Like this is like you wouldn't
think of this person at all for this, but she
is very hot right now? Okay, Like, what's Demi Moore
doing after the substance?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Oh, she's doing land Man season two, That's what she's
doing after this.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I like this, Like she should have gotten something bigger
after the substance. But I just I mean, she's not
right for the Jetson's Who is a good comedy person
who's older Tina Fay.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
You can reunite Corral with Tina fe from Date Night
right or from what what was that film that they.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Went on Carrie. Now, well, what about if you went
to h what's it called, cable guy and you went
to leslie Man.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Cable Guy.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Oh, Leslie Man's great car Leslie Man. Yeah, I like
that idea. Yeah, you're right, cable Guy.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Right, interest you spent too long, fans.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
I'm just gonna it was just fun to talk about. Jeff,
what are you rushing off to do next? For God's sake, we.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Gotta get through the show, all right? What about this story?

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Man? This was coming to us from Daniel RpK. He
reported that apparently Marvel is already planning for Hugh Jackman
to stay.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
As Wolverine after Secret Wars.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Of course, we've kind of speculated this possibility, jumpanow. The
drum beat is getting louder and louder that this is
going to happen. Of course, we know the meta joke
from Deadpool Wolverine with Deadpool said till you're ninety. So
does this pastor smell test that he's taking around pastor rewards?
And will that be confusing? Because who's going to be
their young Wolverine? Is he can't be the old Wolverine

(21:42):
with a bunch of young people. What's the deal here.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I have no idea. I'm not even going to pretend
to know. Don't really believe that Daniel knows. I just
seems like it would be a huge mistake.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
To keep him around pastor rewards.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean, unless you know, the new generation of
X Men is going to co it like to share
the screen with the old men. So you're gonna see
two different storms and two different psyclopsis and and that's
where like, that's what my blind sweat is with all
this comic book shit that I can't stand. And I

(22:23):
think that the public is finally wising up to Uh,
that's one way you could explain that to me. It
doesn't make any sense to reboot the X Men, but
we're still gonna but we're rebooting everybody, recasting everybody but
Hugh Jackman because people really liked him.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, it seems like a.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Jackman Like what the fuck are you doing? Dude? Like
why do you want to keep doing this? Are these
movies getting any better?

Speaker 1 (22:53):
And I can't imagine that it's getting easier to stay
in that shape either, no.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Matter how much rumored.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Growth hormone you might be taken or steroids might be
taken to stay a certain shape.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
As you get older, it becomes harder and harder.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
I mean, even if Wolverine let himself go, I just
I don't understand what where the upside is for him
other than just like more money. Yeah so, and I
know he got divorced, but yeah, I can imagine Hugh
Jackman is fucking hurting. So I'm just not buying this. No,
I think that they need to recast Wolverine. I think

(23:32):
that they will recast Wolverine. I think there's a lot
of people out there who could do it.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, all right, Well, let me counter this by saying
to you, they brought back Artie j. They're gonna bring
back all the old people, and there's rumors that they're
gonna keep Arti j On passing rewards as well. They
brought back the Russo Brothers, one half of Marcus at mcpheeley.
Is it really that ridiculous that they would consider keeping
one of the main stays and one of the most

(23:57):
beloved mainstays of the Fox X Men on past secret
wars when they've shown a pattern recently of just wanting
to go back to the past and relive the nostalgia
of good times.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Around certain characters.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, I don't put anything by these people because I
know how creatively bankrupt they are, right, Yeah, but I
don't buy it. At the same time, I know how
creatively bankrupt this town is. And yet at the same time,
I know that Marvel didn't become Marvel just like repeating

(24:31):
what's been done before. Right, So as big as RDJ
is and I think it's a smart move to bring
him back for these two movies. Yeah, I'm not buying
that he's going to stick around again. Why what is
in it for this guy?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I don't understand it either.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Like it's just so much that he's putting himself through.
It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
But there's not going to be a third Avengers movie.
Remember we discussed that a week or time.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yes, that was split into two possibly, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
No, because then they'd have to pay him again. They
have to. There's like seventy five million dollars, and I
think that's what the reluctance is.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
That's a fair point. I can understand that for sure. Okay,
let's get into this, Jeff. I know we kind of
hashed this out, but it became a news story this
week again. Variety reported that roofman. Sorry that one battle
after another What a Brother. Spent more than one hundred
and thirty million dollars on the production, seventy million on

(25:26):
promotional efforts, and ticket sales are typically exploited between fifty
to fifty between studios and theater operators, so it stands
to lose about one hundred million dollars. And another element
that's adding to the loss is that DiCaprio typically gets
first all the gross on his movie, so a percentage
of the box office revenues before the studio will go
to him, before the studio recoups any of its costs.

(25:48):
This is a film that is getting a lot of love,
a lot of awards buzz for sure, So does the
one hundred million dollar loss matter one damn bit?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
That's let me ask you that question first.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I mean, yet, it matters, but it's gonna be a
lost leader for the studio, like if it gets a
bunch of nominations, and especially if it wins Best Director
or wins Tom Sampson who first Oscar. Yea tough to
put a price on that. It does seem like a
movie that will people will watch years later. It's not

(26:25):
just like well, you know, anyone who didn't see it
this weekend, like that's it that you know, Yeah, it matters,
But I don't think that Warner Brothers is sweating it,
especially after the year then it just had, right, Like
that is why you make all these hits to finance
movies that are gonna lose money, because it's inevitable that

(26:46):
they're gonna lose money. Better to lose money on this
than some like hunkered, like shit new Line horror movie,
right right, Yeah, yeah, it's a no, it's a noble loss,
that's for.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Sure, because you're getting the awards.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Type of all fucking godly build bullshit. Okay, what's thirty million?
It's amazing how I've been saying one seventy five. Yes,
people mostly said one forty to one fifty, but and
then it's just been revised lower and lower. Yeah, right
now it's down to one thirty.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Sure about how much how much they spent to make
the movie? Right?

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Then you've got untold marketing costs, right, so let's just
say you spent fifty.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, they're claiming seventy in variety seven okay.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Two hundred million on ind That means you need to
basically do four hundred million worldwide? What is the movie
at right now? One twenty five worldwide something like that, right,
But we're not saying that it lost two hundred and
seventy five million, are we?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Uh no?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Right? And these are these are like the conservative numbers,
right right, right, right? Okay, So we're using the one
thirty number, which is low seventy for the marketing. So
two hundred spent if five Variety's own definite definition of
the fifty to fifty ticket split, you would need to
gross four hundred theatrical. Now, there's all this downstream revenue,

(28:09):
like the ancillary stuff. Again, it's not as much as
what Superman's is worth, but let's call it sixty million,
eighty million, sure, okay, So you're getting half of whatever
it made at the box office, which is one twenty five.
Let's say it makes one to fifty or even one
eighty by the end of it, you're getting ninety million
from that, and you're getting sixty million downstreams. That's one

(28:31):
hundred and fifty million, right, one hundred and fifty million,
four hundred.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Million, Yeah, like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
No, forget forgive me one hundred fifty million, four million.
It was it's one hundred and fifty million versus the
two hundred spent, right, So fifty million would be a
conservative loss figure, so one hundred is probably accurate.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, yeah, Well, the other question I want to ask
is when you look at what's going on here at
the box office, you have Smash Machine not doing well.
You have one bat laughter another essentially going to be
considered a disappointment, uh money wise, not obviously wars wise.
You look at Roofman not doing that strongly because of
the Spider Woman not doing that strongly. I mean, what

(29:12):
is this sign? What is this telling you? Is this
it really about the quality of the movies or is
it about the general interest of the public to not
go see these movies in theaters because they know they're
gonna be out on uh streaming in two weeks, three
weeks or less. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Let me let me just show you. I watch more
movies than I know.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I know you like to pull your cock out on that.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
I mean constantly, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna this
is I'm gonna explain it.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Okay, let me show it ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
I watch more movies than pretty much anybody I know
I've seen over one hundred and fifty movies.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yes year.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Here's the list of coming soon movies on my blog spot.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Okay, fifty movies right left to.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Left to watch this year. How many days are left
in the year twenty twenty five? Ohny days roughly?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I don't know. Let me see.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Just go the days left in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Five, I know how to do.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
There you go, seventy seven days left in twenty twenty
five to see fifty movies, right, So I to see
all these movies, you'd have to see a movie, a
new movie in the theater more than every other day.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Right, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
What's your What do you get?

Speaker 3 (30:35):
So the point is that there's too many movies, John,
It's not that they're that there's not enough interest in that.
But your movie is reested. It's that people can't go
to the movies every single fucking day.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I guarantee you that of those fifty movies, ten to
fifteen matter. The rest are just your is the rest
of your idea to get to a certain number, and
nobody gives a shit. And then there's not a lot
of stars. I bet there's a lot of obscure movies
on that fifty movies list.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'll put money on it.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
That's well, I'm sure that there are let's say fifteen.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Let's say we're fucking Channing Tatum the Rock.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
There's fifteen movies that matter. John, Are there fifteen weekends
left in the year? Uh?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
No, No, ten?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
So you'd have to see a movie more than once
a week just to hit those fifteen. What is this
that it's it's so funny when we're all like freaking
out about Hollywood's gonna make fewer movies if they merge.
You know, it would be a good idea. See, this
is the thing. It's the trade press that gets everybody
around that, oh, they're gonna make fewer movies. There's gonna
be fewer jobs, fewer acting jobs, fewer script sold. We

(31:39):
need fewer movies because we can't see the movies that
are being made right now. We cannot keep up. And
I'm a professional, Yea, that should be a good thing
that we need to actually scale back because there's just
not an audience big enough to support all these things.
That's why we're this town's bleeding money. It's why the

(32:01):
town is dying because it makes stuff for no one?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Right? Well that's what Well, there you go, you say
it makes stuff for no one. And that's my point
here when you look at what the decisions that are
being made with these movies and the amount of money,
and look, a twenty four pivoted, right, A twenty four
pivoted to want to spend more money on these films,
and they're not getting a strong return at all with

(32:26):
these big budget films that they've put relatively big budget films.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
When you go, are you talking about smashing?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Is that it? Are we going to define the entire
strategy which is just starting by like one.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Movie, I'm just asking you it does It's not a
good beginning. It's not a good beginning, is what I'm
getting at.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
A Warfare that was an expensive movie and that that
did well.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
I don't know I'm looking at I'm looking up right
now the A twenty four movies Warfare and what Iron
clauded not well was Warfare.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Under Watching Machine and Marty Supreme. These are movies that
are expensive, right for A twenty four, Yes, so let's
see how Marty Supreme does.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Warfare was twenty million, it made thirty three, So no,
it didn't make a profit. If we're going the two
and a half times, it didn't make a profit, right,
So that those are the things you look at. That's
what I'm trying to say is like it seems like
A twenty four made this pivot maybe at the wrong
time when you're looking at the recent films that they've
got coming out, and we'll see how Marty Supreme does

(33:35):
you yourself said, you don't know how many people are
gonna be that interested in seeing this movie.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Maybe it's civil War, you know, was confusing with warfare.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
For fifty and made one to twenty seven. So you
can argue, yes, it made money.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Okay, and that's the example I should be using. Yeah,
Marty Supreme, I think you know, other than Timmy is
going to have kind of a limited appeal.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, that's what I wonder about it is A twenty
four making the right decision here. I mean, look at Brutalists, right,
brutaliss was made for nine point six and made fifty
that's the standard a twenty four formula, you know, nine million,
then you do this, right, But when you look at
the stuff that's coming out now, there's a real danger
that they've they think, if we spend more money to

(34:20):
get these bigger talents to be in our movies, then
logically we're going to make more money. But that doesn't
seem to be happening so far. I mean that Warfare
is full of a shit ton of talent in that movie,
or up and coming talent as well.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
So cheap, cheap, cheap, guys.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
It's fifty million. I don't know how cheap that was Warfare.
So then how many, since you counted so strongly, how
many movies does A twenty four have to do before
we can make a proper assessment about their new pivot
and whether the logic of spending this much money on
these movies makes sense.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I put a number on it. I think that elden
Ring is going to be a big movie for A
twenty four. Right, that has to wear with how much
money they're put syncing into that. That is their first
real blockbuster that's based on like a piece of IP.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Right, Okay, I could see that. I could see that.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I think that's the movie to judge A twenty four's
strategy against.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Right now, all right, all right, just wanted to get
your thoughts on that, man, Okay, and I think that's
all of that for that stuff. All right, let's get
into our main topic here, jem. Let's talk about this
article that came out on DHR talking about the essentially
the deal that studios have made with influencers and how

(35:40):
YouTube has become the number one streaming platform, the current
platform we are on, and talking about how sixty seven
million people are currently working as fuller part time creators,
with one hundred and five million is the estimate doing
this by twenty thirty. And it talks about how since
the writer's strike has been a big shift and there's

(36:01):
more digital strategy, and basically it's talking about influencers are
becoming a bigger and bigger part of the Hollywood equation
and that studios are finally starting to invest in influencers,
work with influencers, create stuff with influence and influence themselves,
are hiring scriptwriters, are hiring actors to do this content
to put up on their channel. So what is and

(36:23):
then now AI has come in, which is focused on
in the article as well to maybe kind of stop
stop some of these creators or force these creators to
use AI. So what are your thoughts about all of
this as we look at the landscape of Hollywood now
and the deal they've made with these influences.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
I just think it's depressing. I just say it drives
me crazy that like no one's one thing anymore. Yeah,
like everyone's all things, especially when they're online. They you know.
I mean, of course Hollywood loves influencers because they're going

(36:59):
to do whatever they want for money, right, They're just
gonna I mean, it's just advertising. And I'm just shocked
to the extent to which the advertising works. Right. Remember
like back in the day when we used to watch
commercials on television. Yeah, I my eyes just kind of
glazed over on those. I wasn't like, oh I gotta
go out and get tied because of the Tide commercial

(37:22):
or the soda because so and so is drinking sprite. Yeah,
and so it's like, who are the are people really
like taking their cues from these influencers. They were going
to the movies that these influencers say go to.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
That's what I've been trying to tell you for a
few weeks is like your generation and then of course
I'm older to you. My generations like we don't get it.
The younger generation does not have that kind of like, well,
this is movies and this is not movies, and like
everything is as you just said, one person is everything.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I think audio.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I think young people calling up nowadays look at content
as look at films and television as content no different
than a YouTube video or anything else. And I think
there is a blurring of the lines with the way
they look at it, and there's a like, oh, this
is quality, revered content, and that's coming from a studio
and it's an Oscar winner to them, it's like what

(38:18):
do I like?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
What entertains me? I could give a shit about it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
And so I think this is the natural progression of
people like you take some ownership who we're like, well,
I don't see anything in black and white.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I don't see anything before the seventies.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
This is a continuing of that attitude where it's like,
there's no respect for it. As you diminish the respect
for film, it extends to the next generation who diminishes
even more respect. And this is what we got now
is that everything is correlative. Everything is the same to
a lot of the younger generation coming up. So for them,
YouTube is no different than going to a movie theater,

(38:52):
and that is a really hard thing to grasp and
accept when we look at things now.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I disagree with you because it's like, how education do
I need to be an expert?

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Right?

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Like? Do I just need to spend my entire life
educating myself on the movies of the past, And then
you're completely you don't know what the fuck is going
on in modern times in your own generation because you're
at your time catching up on the classics, okay, and like,
like that's the thing. No one's gonna stump me on

(39:25):
movies made after nineteen ninety six because that's when I
started fucking paying attention, true, right, Like, and I educated
myself right in the years that it's education time in
the movies of the eighties and the seventies. If you're
born in the seventies, then your education is the movies
of the thirties, the forties and the fifties.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yes, so yeah, I just.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
I don't know. I every ten years that go by,
there's another ten years of movie history, right right, and
it would and it takes god knows how I'm to
catch up on ten years. So it's like, are today's
teens supposed to have watched some movies from the thirties,
forty fifty six, eighties, nineties, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah, But I think that's the thing I think we
have accepted. Like I think there were a lot of
people who just said, well, we don't need to go
back in time, and there was a kind of like
arrogance about it, like no, no, I could see all
I need here in the nineties and I'll get it.
And now they're the same people who are like, well,
why are these younger kids not revering blah blah, because

(40:31):
they're not even revering movies in the nineties, Jeff, they're
not even revering movies in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
That's all Their education is a narrowed They don't need
to educate themselves because AI is there and it just
does the work for them. This generation is lazy, That's.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
What I wonder about.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Like we were looking at it, and this is a
longer conversation or bigger conversation, right, because we look at
the idea of the ratings going down with the oscars, right,
everyone was like, well, it's because they're not nominating fan
favorite movies. They're not nominating these bigger movies. And I
get I can see some lot that, But the oscars
used to be the place that you well it still
is actually it is the place you go to have
the artistic films be recognized. Right, But less and less

(41:09):
people are seeing artistic films. And that relates to what
I said earlier with a twenty four to like, less
and less people are going to see these kinds of movies,
or if they are seeing them, they're seeing them at home, right,
and that generation is going to start dying out.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
And so the thing this is, so we are.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Going to lose like the classic movies, We're totally going
to use to lose TCM. We're totally to lose the
reverence for these black and white films. That is coming.
That is absolutely coming because we as a society do
not make more of an effort to revere these kinds
of movies, celebrate these kind of movies, uplift these kind
of movies.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I mean, Zazlov was.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Going to kill the TCM channel because it wasn't hitting
the ratings numbers that they were anticipating.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Why going to get worse.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yes, they are one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
No matter how many festivals or cruises they do, they
are not going to be able to build up the
numbers on TV.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Those movies are artifacts because it is kids want to
watch old movies and they're like, oh, I'll watch a
classic from the nineties.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Right, And so it makes me wonder how many of
these studios give a fuck about their, uh, their old
movies because they're working with influencers that have some have
no respect for the older movies. Sorry, and they're not
even putting out physical media of their old movies anymore,
or even some of the most recently.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Look at these DVDs behind me. I don't have a
DVD player that works, not that not that's like actively
connected to my television. I'd have to go into my
closet and dust off some fucking piece of machinery.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
I get that. Everyone, you know, it's like physical media
and all that, but it's expensive. It takes up space
that we don't have. My apartment keeps shrinking and shrinking.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm glad Code is
getting ah a physical release, right coda, Right, Yeah, you
shouldn't have to be an Apple TV plus some scure
to see that movie.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
But at the same time, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
But it's so confusing because on the other side, you see.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Sorry, sorry Jeff.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
If they there's a movie that you're you know, you
have to digitize and do the restoration and all that
shit that's from the forties, and nobody's gonna watch it
except for I don't know, like archaeologists looking for fucking
ancient artifacts of the civilization.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Well that's why it's so confusing to me, because now
you see more and more movies old movie Like I
just bought Shane in four K? Why is Shane? Like,
I'm just fascinated how many movies are being upredsed or
being remastered in four K in these higher end and
then we have we're starting to see AK stuff coming,
so eventually there will be a K versions of these movies.

(43:50):
So is there a massive gap happening where there's these
like people like me who are absolutely on top of
this stuff and want old movies to be seen in
the best possible way and the younger generation who gives
two shits about it because everything they get is in
four K, eight K, twenty K HD, Like they don't
give a shit, you know, because they have I.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Don't give a shit. I don't give it. Like I'm
there to watch a story so whether it's a grainy
movie that looks like it was made in the sixties,
where it's you know, something that looks more modern and
smooth and everything, like, just tell me a good story.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
I used to watch VHS movies that were recorded over
recorded or.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
You know, yeah ditto.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, So so we didn't. We weren't bitching then about mmm.
I don't know, I can't everybody's look a little fuzzy, cares.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I grew up, you know, I'm old enough where I
had a black and white television as a young kid,
Like I had my own black and white television I
think was like a thirteen fourteen inch television that I
had upstairs, and I watched some classic movies all my
black and white television, was able to love them before
I got a chance to see them in the theater,
like in LA when they would do those things at

(44:59):
the the restoration houses.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
So yeah, so I get it. You can see a movie.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
A movie is good no matter what version it comes in.
If a movie is good, it's good period.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
It doesn't matter that, you.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Know how we got on this from from the influencer thing, because.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
The influencers are the ones that I think are in
a way are corroding our movie conversations, our movie appreciations,
our movie uh I guess dialogue about these movies and
how they're seen because these studios don't care about quality anymore.
They just care about selling, and you got to get
the influencer with the big name so that they will

(45:34):
sell your movie. We don't care about the critic, We
don't care about even the consumer.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
DiCaprio to tap tenny movie critics or any film reporters.
We want to talk to the Kelsey brothers.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Right, the Kelsey brothers. Yeah, that kind of stuff, isn't
that isn't that corroding? Like you're saying that the town
is dying. This is a way that the town is dying.
The less the less that you make movies something to
be revered, the less people will review them, and the
less important they'll be for people to go see them.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
And the influencers are part of that happening.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
The influencers was would much rather that you watch their
show than go watch a movie.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yes one, yes, yes, right.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
And maybe we're in the same boat since we're taking
two hours out of people's week when they could be
watching a movie instead of us.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Well, we're talking about movies to inspire them to see movies.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
We're trying to help you decide which movies to see, yes,
whereas they're not trying to help you decide, they're just saying,
well this this studio paid me money this week, so
go see the movie, right and every So the problem
is on the audience, Like, I don't blame that influencer
for taking that deals for listening in the first place. Right,

(46:49):
you guys know that this opinion is bond and paid for, right.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Yeah, And that's what I would would love to train
the audience to understand. And even with some of our
our fellow pundits in the sphere who are like mixing
the tea, so to speak, because I read Baz's review
about Wicked too, and he compared it to The Godfather.
He said it was the same experience he had in
the theater when he went to see The Godfather Part two?

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Are you doing No one has any standards anymore, John,
No one has any again? One battle after another being
the best Pule Thomas Anderson movie. Are we just throwing
away what this guy has done the last twenty five
thirty years because we saw a movie that was good
compared to all the shit that we see these days.
It's crazy. No one everything is new and the great,

(47:37):
everything is the best, and everything is a masterpiece these days.
It didn't used to be like this. Yeah, it's because
people have no standards and they have even worse taste.
Case in point, if you read my newsletter last night
about a House of Dynamite. Yes, the shit, this movie
is not good, and yet somehow the reviews were lovely

(48:01):
and glowing coming out of the New York film Beste
Is it that Netflix invited these critics and so they
feel compelled to like the movie? I don't know what
it is that these days critics just write for each other,
and they write for the publicists who invited them, and
no one writes about the audience. Take my word for it,
this movie, you're gonna watch it. Everyone's gonna watch Catherin

(48:22):
Bigelow movie by all means. Check it out. Yeah, it's bad.
It's her worst movie. It's worse than Detroit.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Wow, that's saying something, because Detroit was not good.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Well, Red justin Chang's New Yorker review, He's like, that's
why this guy is a few litser. He's a great writer. Yeah,
and he knew exactly how to take this movie down
a peg and cut its knees out.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
And that's I mean again, I look at, I look
at I read Bass's thing today in Deadline, and I
just was like, what is happening here?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Right?

Speaker 3 (48:49):
You?

Speaker 1 (48:50):
You are complicit and listen, let'sten let's make it clear.
Bass was a gossip columnist. Okay, Bass was not like
breaking hard news and just breaking the studios like he
was a gossip call of this and yes, more all
respect to him, it's not It's a tough business to
make it as a as a person who is it
was black. It is not an easy business to make
it and become a voice in it. And he was

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in numerous things for many, many years and then took
the job at Deadline Hollywood. But then you read something
like this and you go, okay, again it's like a
puff piece. But then you're actually reviewing the movie along
with the puff piece and the stuff with the director,
and that is blurring the lines. And that's where it
becomes like, come on, what are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
This is on the calendar for months, right, Yes. Wicked
two's media media strategy. Stop Number one, right is we're
gonna have John hu doing a big interview with Deadline,
and that's you kick off the campaign, and we're gonna
have some obviously some glowing words or whoever writes that profile.

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I mean, listen, I think Wicked Too could be really good.
I think you'll find out. I think you'll find out
tomorrow morning on fi C just how good I think
it could be.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Oh right, fair point.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
And it has apparently started screaming for long lead press.
But so I'm not gonna sit here and say it's
not the Godfather Too of movies because I haven't seen it.
It is a ridiculous thing to say.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I will confidently say that it isn't. I have not seen,
not having seen one frame of it other than the trailers.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yes, yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
And that's the problem. It's like he doesn't. I don't
know if they do it on purpose or if you
just don't know anymore. How ridiculous you sound.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, yeah, but it extends out, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Like listen, I got no problem.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
If you're a pundit and you take money from a studio,
go ahead, make your money, get your back I got
no problem with you trying to tell me you're an
objective person about this fucking film or this fucking studio
or this fucking creator.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Then no, like, no, they are pretending though, who is pretending?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
People are? Some people are So I've seen some bunnetlay
like who do stuff and then they're like, well, but
this is my honest opinion on.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
That critics are worse than the influencers. Well fair, yes, agreed,
you said, Pundit's like, that's what you mean.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I mean, I mean critics, I don't mean influencers.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Influencers. You're like, no, we're we are influencers.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, Jaul, I got no problem with those.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yeah, they're upfront about it. It's the people in.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Our business who can play both fucking sides. They don't admit,
you know.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
They don't think of themselves as influencers when that's really
kind of what they.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Are, right because they know it's a sullied thing to be.
They want to have both sides. They want to be
able to swim in the influencer waters and make their
money and boost their subscribers and you know, stroke their
ego and be able to be seen serious as a
serious movie critic ause yeah, or filmmaker yes, or even

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filmmaker yes.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
See how that goes on Monday.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Oh, that's right, you're gonna see that one.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So so so that's the thing that I say. It's like,
uh okay, and this is not listen, I know, I
see you're jealoushit Oh. I don't go out to studios
and go give me money, and when they come to me,
I tell them if they're going to offer me anything.
When I was, it's like, I'm gonna give you my
honest opinion of the movie, whether you fucking like it
or not.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
That's very clear for me. I don't have a skin
in the game.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
And so don't say this is about jealousy or else.
I would be making moves to try to establish things
with with the studios. But I don't. I like staying
independent because I don't want to sell myself out.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
And I you know, I think Jay Scoots says, I
think you guys are too close to this issue. It's
a non issue for the average sinophile. I mean, you're
not wrong. This is inside baseball we're talking here, Jay Scoots.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
The problem is that the average cinophile these days is
actually not a centophile. At all.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
But I think Jay Scoots is wrong, and let me
tell you why, Jay, And it's no offense to Jay.
I think it's a valid comment because thought because people
are now mixing critics because they see these critics become influencers.
Now all critics are seen as people who are either
bought or paid for, or people whose reviews are being

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influenced by the studio.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
And so now the entire realm of criticism.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Does not have credit with the with the fan, or
with the move of the cinophile as it used to
have in the past. And I think you couldn't accuse
Pauline Kale or Ebert or any of these people in
the seventies, eighties, nineties, even in the early two thousands,
I would have never accused Desson Howe of taking money
or Glieberman or anything like or travers like. That would

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never occur to me. But now the new crop, there
is a blurring of the lines, and that is bleeding
out to.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
All the movie critics.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
And now criticism is seen as something that can be
bought and paid for, that is on the cheap, and
that is not as the revered as it was in
the past.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Dumbing down of the whole audience. Yes, and I'll due
respect to our viewers who thought this, but like, yeah,
if if the masterpieces these days are sinners in one
battle after another, then the audience has changed, tastes have changed,
have lowered. Yeah, I mean it's just like neither of
these movies are real masterpieces. We can no longer agree

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on what a masterpiece is.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah, and I don't want to hear from people getting
mad about this, like, own your shit. It's not about jealousy.
Own your shit. Stop playing both sides. Have some fucking
self awareness and stop playing both sides. That's my issue
with that anyway. All Right, somebody mentioned Soups. I don't
blame Soups. Soups was exactly who he was from the beginning.

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I remember being interviewed by Soups, and I knew, this
guy's in the bag for the studios. This guy's in
the bag for Superman or DC like some when they
put it on like that, it's very obvious. So you go, no,
I get it. He's exactly who we say he was
going to be from the beginning. I got no problems
with that. It's people who try to pretend to be both.
That's where my issues lie and I think that's what's
sullying the waters. Yeah, I really I'm not a fan.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Of hypocrites for sure.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
But anyway, let's move on from this, Jeff, and remember
your stream lab superchats are open latis general. We only
have four super or six Super eight super chats. We
usually have twenty by now. Please sen and your love,
your questions, thoughts and comments. Jeff, should we get into
our candle Reeves conversation? Is it time for the do it?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
I want? I want to fucking do it because misdrafting.
I like drafting with you. And Keanu's got a new
movie this weekend. Did you see it?

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I've not seen Good Fortune. I will be seeing it
this weekend along with Black Phone two.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Let's get that I might do the same thing because
I have a free Saturday night for a change.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
In fact, I don't know if I want to let
this cat out of the bag, but there's a movie
that open this weekend in like one tiny theater down
in South Bay, so I may and check that out. Yeah,
Like people are doing like sneak oscar qualifying runs.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Why would they do that?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
They don't want it, They don't want to add it
like they're either it's either like you know, they want
you to watch the movie on streaming, yeah, or they're
planning a theatrical release in January or February. There's a
couple of these.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Okay, all right, it's come out this weekend.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
All right, yeah, just check check it on my Twitter,
see if you can find it.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Okay, all right, well let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
We're gonna do our Keanu.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Reeves movie draft here in honor of good fortune, coming
out this weekend. So many great movies in the Keanu
Reeves of Reeves is fear there. You know, you see Matrix,
you see Point Brank, you see John Wick, you see
Bill and Ted, you see Scanner. Darkly even gets in
the mix for Keanu Reeves and the amazing work that
he's done. And you guys know, Jeff and I do

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this draft, I think, well, how do you want to go?
You want to go to ten? You want to twelve?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
How far you want to get?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
I think we could probably get you do ten each?

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I think, oh, ten each? Oh, that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
A lot. But yeah, he has a lot of good movies.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Well as long as we can count, Like the side.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Let's do five to start, and then if we want
to extend it another five if we're like, oh there's.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
A bunch okay, that sounds good.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
All right, So you want yeah, the first or I'm
gonna offer it to you because I think I had
the choice last time.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Oh you did? Okay?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Well, uh, yeah, I guess I should go first. And
I know that means I'm gonna lose out on two
really big ones. But I'm gonna go first. And obviously
I'm gonna take the Matrix. Come on, I mean, that's
not even a question. That's his greatest film I think ever,
and uh, the Matrix is my choice Number one.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
I don't I don't blame you there, Okay, all right,
I'm gonna go with number two.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Okay speed Oh of course, of course that's a Jeff
Snyder film for sure.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Jack Travin is one of the great action heroes. I
can't believe we only got one movie with this guy. Yeah,
number two. It's a tough call for me, Okay, but
I gotta have Johnny Utah on the squad.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Wow, you took Point Break.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, I gotta do Point Break at number listen.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I can't I can't fault you for that. I mean
that would have been my next choice if you hadn't
taken that one, So I respect that greatly.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
That's such a fun movie.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Uh, john Wick would be my choice, the first one
at number two for me.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
All right, So matrix speed john Wick. The first one
is your pick, the.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
First one is my pick. Yes, I love that first
one so much.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Okay, Well, in that case, hmmm, this is tough. I'm
gonna go with his other franchise. Oh give me Bill
and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Good choice, good choice, I got no, I got no
pushback on that. All right. Well, then I'm gonna go
with one that I think.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Is gonna hurt you deeply.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
That I take from you because you love big proclamations
from actors, and I know the Devil's Advocate or Devil's Advocate.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Is the choice, because I know you love Pacino and
his handmy performance.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
In that movie.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
It didn't I mean, I like that movie, but you didn't.
You didn't kill me.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
That really not surprising. I thought you'd love Pacino. I
have so many names.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Yeah yeah, No, I'm gonna go with a little movie
called Parenthood.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Oh yeah, nice that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Love Parenthood. He was really good, as was Martha Plimpton's boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yes, who was Martha Plimpton's boyfriend and who was his
friend in the movie?

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
His friend?

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Who is Martha Plimpton's brother in the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
I mean Joaquin?

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Well? Uh no, what? Yeah? Joaquin? Yes? Quaquin?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Okay, choice, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I'm gonna go with one of my personal favorites now
at number four because I cannot go without this one, Constantine.
I fucking love Constantine and I love him in Constant
so and louis taking another John Wake, I have to
take that one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
All right, Um, you can have Constantine. Uh okay, give me,
I gotta do it, give me my own private idaho Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I was wondering when that was gonna pop up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah, I mean, that's one of his best performances. Fan Sands.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, all right, I'm gonna choose one that I remember
seeing the theater and just put the hook in me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
But good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
And I I haven't seen this one in a bit,
but I remember the last time I watched it. I
was just as impressed with it the first time as
I was the first time. A scanner Darkly.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
No that movie was bad.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
They are insane. That's a damn good movie.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
I think I do that for any cool news. No,
that was a mess. Great trailer though.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
I love that trailer, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
You've started to falter towards the end. Do you want
to do another five and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I'm not good? I love these movies.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
All right, we're gonna do. We're gonna do another five piece.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
We'll see we get to another five Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, you've you've really stumbled here. Uh okay, let's see.
I'm gonna go with Bram Stokers Dracula.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Talk about stumbling.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
You're gonna go with this horrible accent in that movie?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Are you insane?

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
We're not doing Keanrie's performances. We're doing the movies and
Dracula Francis word Goppola is a good movie for this?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Uh? This spot you say so so melodramatic. You know
what's a better movie. Frankenstein out in theaters this weekend.
Go and see it, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
I'll have my really is it out in theaters this weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Yeah, out in theaters. This is October seventeenth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Like I'm telling you, guys, I'm a film expert. I've
been steering at an amc app for hours this week.
I've bought so many advanced tags. I had no idea
Frankenstein was this weekend?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Frankenstein Showtimes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Here we go, fan dango crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Oh I get oh the twenty third? Oh so I
guess this next week? My apologies, but the poster said
October seventeenth, So did they push it one week or something?

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I don't know. It's impossible to keep up with this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Oh, here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Yeah, No, the film would be opening in selectaors on
Aber seventeenth, so it is going to be in some
select theaters this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
So okay, I'll take a look at for it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
It has to be in LA for Fox.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
All right, So what did you know? You took Dracula?

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
All right, I'm gonna take uh the most recent john
Wick john Wick four. I mean, keep me riveted for
almost three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Dude. That's the worst john Wick. I can't believe you
took that over two and three?

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Who is dog shit?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I don't know what you're talking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Who is away?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Four was the worst one. It was endless. It just
like keep falling down those stairs. Chief um okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Let me see here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I'm going strong. I don't know what you're talking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I'm going I'm the one going strong, bro. And that's
why with the next pick, we're going with Duke Come
Toy Story four.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah, all right, that's fair. I totally respect that. That's
a good one. All right. I'm gonna try to elevate
us because Jeff wants to always be down in the muck.
And I'm gonna put Much Ado About Nothing, a fantastic
follow up from Henry from Henry five for Kenneth Brunna.

(01:04:23):
And although Keno's maybe not the strongest actor in the movie,
as Jeff said this about the movie itself, and Much
Ado About Nothing is a fantastic Shakespeare adaptation of a
tough play. Actually, so yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
I'll put that on that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
A movie that obviously everybody's yelling at us and the
comments for having not taken yet. I will take the
River's edge at this point, Oh, River's edge.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Right, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. It never was my thing, so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
All right, So if didn't I beat I think I
beat Andraco with rivers Edge, if I remember correctly, or
maybe it was my private how you know, I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
I know that drove him crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Uh okay, So then my next choice, Oh it's Hardball.
I really enjoyed Hardball, small little film with Keanu teaching
this inner city group of kids baseball as punishment for
I think, for his gambling addiction, and Diane Lane being
a part of this as well. So I like Hardball.

(01:05:21):
That's a good movie.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Bro Okay, I don't mind Hardball. It's a decent pike.
At this point, dare you all right? I God, those
John Wick movies are looming large, and I may I
may need one of them on my on my roster, but.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
For now I have to give it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
At some point, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
For now, I think I'm gonna go with Oh God
that that movie is looming there too. Uh okay, okay, okay,
I know him on the clock. Where is it. I'm
gonna go with Dangerous Liaison. Oh nice, he played Chevalier Rafael.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
That is a good movie.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
I'm not gonna deny you that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Okay. I can't believe you took Dracula. That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
So I guess I will take another personal favorite that
I thought got unfairly vilified when it came out, But
for me, as a Latino with this Latino director, it
spoke to me, and that is The lake House. I
think The lake House is an unfairly underappreciated film, and
I think him and Sandra have fantastic chemistry together, just

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like they did in Speed and Uh. This was a
very moving movie and it's one of those rare rob
coms that I still go back and watch.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
So was that your last movie?

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
One, two, three for five six?

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
I think it's nine for five Yes, Matrix, Wick Advocate, Constantine,
Darkly Wick, four, much Ado, Hardball, Lakehouse.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I got one more? Okay, you get you picked twice, right,
so I have one more?

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah, I think so because you picked twice.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Okay, Okay, I see, I see what I did here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Okay, for the last pick, last pick, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Do I want a Wick sequel? Do I want a
Matrix sequel?

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Or do I want the best sequel? Bill and Ted's
Bogus Journey the second one? It wasn't enough for me
to just have the excellent adventure. The truth is I
love Bogus Journey just as much both Bill and Ted movies.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
All Right, that's fair that's fair. I've left on my listener.
I think I have three of them left them. Okay,
damn I what it took that one? Wait, I don't
want to take another Wick. I didn't think it would
come down to that. So oh, so I will take
Sonic the Hedgehog three. I thought he was damn good
in that a shadow and I thought that was a

(01:08:04):
fun movie. So I will take so the Sonic the
Hedgehog there at number three or sorry as my last choice. No, wait,
I changed my mind. I changed my mind. I am
taking Keanu. That's the perfect way to end this list
is to take Keanu.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I loved that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
I thought it was hilarious and he was so awesome
to do the voice of the cat for Key and
Peel in that movie. So I will end my list
by adding Keanu as my final choice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
I gotta echo Adam Jamenez here, nobody not the Something's
Got to Give You didn't want that one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
I was close to taking that one, but it's not
really when I go back to a watch all the time,
but it is a damn good movie, you know, it
is a damn good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
So I'm not gonna And I didn't want to go with.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
A sympathetic favor just to play to the crowd and
take a Diane Keaton film, no offense.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I thought you might go with Street Kings.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I thought it was okay. I didn't like it as
much as I was hoping I would.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
To be honest, I think people thought I was gonna
take Knock Knock or Neon Demon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I thought you're gonna take me on Demon for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Couldn't stand Neon Demon or or like the bad Batch
Jesus Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that one. No, I don't
like the replacements. I did not like the replacements.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Always be my maybe as good. Yeah, I thought you
were gonna take that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
No, no, I haven't seen that one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Really the Netflix movie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Yeah, one with Ali Wong Right, Yeah, no, I didn't
see that one.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
No one took the gift?

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah na either.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Yeah, okay, I will recap the my list and then
John can do his. I wound up and you guys
can can decide and who won this one. I have speed,
I have Point Break, I have Bill and Ted's Excellent
Adventure and Bill and Ted's bogus Journey. I have Parenthood.
Then I've got his real acting movies. My Own Private Idaho,

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River's Edge, Dangerous Liaisons, plus Dracula and Toy Story.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
For there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
It's a strong list. I think you might have won.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Whoa what wait? What is this comment here? But Jeff
and John Jean John is a mid movie. I overrate
that movie so much. Do you do you think I
overrate that movie? I mean he said it, Yeah, you
do you think so?

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
I love Speed? I think Speed is great. Are you kidding?
I think Speed's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Yeah, that is a crazy comment. Actually, get a whole
Speed podcast and everybody loved it. Because everybody loves that movie.
It's like the perfect Hollywood blockbuster. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
It still holds up to last week?

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Yeah, you're crazy, Alkay give us your tenja all right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
So I started off with the Matrix.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
I went to John Wick, then Devil's Advocate, Constantine, a Scanner, Dark,
John Wick, Four Much Ado About Nothing, Hardball, The Lake House,
and Keanu So a good, nice mixture of Keanu's performances
throughout the years and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Some of the some of the ones that don't get
enough love.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
In my opinion for how good they are as movies.
So yeah, I like my choices.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
This wasn't your finest hour.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Jones, how are you thank you for it?

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
For doing it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Here's the top heavy, there's the top.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
It's like falling over like a lego.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Right, Well, I guess it's time for the questions.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Yeah, well any reviews? Did you see anything at all
that you can talk about?

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Everything?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
And yes, I actually like the movies that I watch
this week. I saw Bradley Cooper's movie Is This Thing
On Okay, which I really liked. Okay, Will Arnett was great.
I think that's going to be a crowd pleaser. And
then I saw It Was Just an Accident, the Iranian movie,

(01:11:56):
which was good, much better than See to the Sacred
fig and the ending was quite memorable.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Okay, all right, I haven't started. Have you started on
the John Wayne Gacy Peacock series? Are you gonna watch
that at all?

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Started it? Bro? I finished it like weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Okay, Well, it just came out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
That's what I want to Actually, I would love to
write about it tonight. I just don't have the time.
Maybe tomorrow I want to write a thing about that
and Ed Gaine two very different approaches to true crime.
I liked Casey didn't love it. Okay, okay, I really

(01:12:36):
agreed with like thhr where it's like your mind which
is going to vary. And and you know, if you
are the kind of person who really likes Monster, you
might think that this show is a little dull.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Oh it goes too long.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I know that much is one, one or two too
many episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Well, my after the Hunt review is up on the
channel now put it up this morning. I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I didn't think it was great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
It was good, but I don't think but I think
they were he was trying to say too much. The
script was trying to say too much and didn't invest
more into specifically getting to the core of what the
issues were. H And as I said, I really loved Frankenstein.
I'll talk about it. I'll do a review probably tomorrow sometime,
and I highly recommend it. So I've heard some I'd

(01:13:19):
heard some uh mixed stuff, and then I went say
it and I had a blast last night.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
So was it surprising or was it exactly what you
expected from?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Would surprisingly good?

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
And I'll tell you why, Jeff, because Giemo to me,
and I'll be honest, because I'm always honest in my opinion.
Giemo when he gets there, like Shape of Water or
Hell Boy, he's great. When he doesn't get there, like
Crimson Peak and some of the other stuff, he's he's
lightweight and he indulges in himself too much, has that
James Gun disease. And I think in this film he

(01:13:50):
nailed it. It is operatic, it is massive, it's a
musical without musical numbers, and I liked it. And Oscar
Isaac is so good and a lord he should get nominated.
My only issue with the movie is Mia Goth. I
thought she was miscast and so other than that, I
think the movie is stellar.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
And Christoph as good as well. And there's a lot
of blood and gore. He does not cut out the
blood and gore, both animal and human.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
So enjoy that. All right, let's get to the questions.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
As Jeff was saying, let's good. Samuel Willett says The
Lanterns is the next DCU project, but we barely have
anything on it. No release date, no teaser, trailer, and
simply no news. Please check it down. Tell me you
guys have something.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
Yeah, well, I don't understand what the expectation is with this,
and like, are you expecting a piece of casting that
hasn't been announced.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Are you expecting a review of a show that hasn't
been shown to anybody? Like you're so you want to
release date? I think that the release date will be
in the first half of next year.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
I think it will arrive sooner rather than later. Yeah,
I mean when does Supergirl do?

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I think it's in March of next year.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
No, I think no Supergirl. No Supergirl release sooner July.
No July, You're no, sorry, June June twenty six, twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I think you're going to see Lanterns before then, because
I think it'll be eligible for the next Emmy cycle,
just like the Penguin was. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So
I think you'll see it before May.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Yeah. They're saying early twenty twenty six, but they're not
saying when. In early twenty two. And I imagine we'll
get a Lanterns or Supergirl trailer in the next couple
of weeks to kind of drown out the pen.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Does the Pit arrive?

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Pit's in January.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
I know that Lanterns will be in February.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
I think yeah, Okay, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
HBO loves to launch stuff in January, but I wouldn't
want to take any eyeballs off the pit, so yeah, yeah,
I mean maybe March, and they like, you know, they
like yeah. I have no idea. It depends on the
rest the TV landscape.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
We'll sure get a trailer soon, though. I would imagine
Luke James is John Jeff, your handsome mofos. Hope you well,
thank you, Luke, appreciate it. Cody has Hunt asked his
thoughts on w b's rejection on the boycott of Israel.
First of all, let's let's let's let's look at the situation, right, Jeff,
And I've said this numerous times, and we're not going
to comment on it. And if if you're going to

(01:16:21):
send a two dollars super chat and expect us to
dive into a controversial subject like this, I believe you're
insulting us, you know so, But go ahead, Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
I have nothing to say on this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
I'm answer for two dollars. I am Jewish, and uh yeah,
this is the right decision, just like it was Paramount's
right decision to be like, no, you know, we're not
doing this. So uh congrats to all those fucking actors
who had to sign their name to the first petition
that crossed their desk. Yeah, I don't think that way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
No, no, no, no, no, no. You don't get to
denigrate those people. Those are if they believe that. You don't.
If you support Israel, you'reself. I mean, that's nonsense. Like
both people, both sides of this equation. There are people
who legitimately have explored this issue and legitimately have strong
feelings about it and signed it. They didn't sign the
first thing that came across their desk. They signed it
because they believed in it. Don't don't denigrate them, man,

(01:17:14):
don't do that. Come on, all right, well we got I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
Saying, there's two sides to every story there is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
And I give respect. To give respect to both sides.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
I think both sides of people sign those letters that
they signed because they legitimately believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
That's what I that's what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
I keep signing letters. Folks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Yeah, well that's a fair. But that's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
To see Warner brothers in Paramount and be like, nope,
good bye.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
John Petersill says still think WB Paramount is dead, praying
it won't be well. Jeffy wrote about this in the newsletter, Right,
you went deeper into this idea of w paramount paramount
buying it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I don't think that's that's happening. Yeah, read the newsletter
for a long explanation of why. Uh. But what exactly
would David Elson get out of this besides bragging rights?
What is he? What is Warner Brothers had that he
doesn't have?

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Basketball rates gives a ship?

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
What do you think about the news day?

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Also, if you saw it this week that the Saudia
ray like there's a Saudi Arabia might be getting into.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Buying a film studio.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Uh in Hollywood, I feel like that we've said that
that seems to be inevitable, right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I mean people just want to take the money. So
I don't think that anyone's you know, like, there hasn't
been that much blowback from the comedy festival. I know
there were a couple of days of headlines and stuff
like that, but I trust me that most of the
performers that went are not giving back the money or
donating to charity.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Yeah, yes there is, And get the fuck out of
here if you have a problem with it, Okay, get
the I'm so tired of you bit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Your cry baby's bitching about ship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
You don't want to watch the show, you don't want
to get then get the fuck out of the show.
I'm serious, Like I you know, I don't need your
fucking money. I'm just saying, if you want to send
in and ask us a really deep question, have summer
back for us and know that that's a higher level
thing to ask people. That's all I'm saying. And that's
a problem. Again, get the fuck out of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Yeah, I just who knows who will buy Warner Brothers.
Maybe it'll be Elon Musk, maybe it'll be Google. What
were we even talking about. I don't even remember.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Uh. He was just saying the w paramount thing is dead, Gregory.
Could h be like the original professoral professor x mentor No,
I think there'd be a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Con questions hurt my head.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Played out, says, since we agree, Jeff is Jeff is establishment,
resistant to change and focused on benefiting from the existing order.
Do you feel the show my benefit from a segment
where you spar on political issues.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
No, not at all, Not at all.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Yeah, would the show benefit I'm not a very political guy.
I believe that I believe, and I don't really care
to do the research about the other side, So I'm
a stubborn asshole, and uh yeah, go use.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Well, I mean, oh, all right, never mind, I'm not
gonna say that. Wacky wally An says you need to
watch Zodiac in four K. That'll change your minds A
stunning hell Raiser.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
Not so much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Well, Wacky, I've said I enjoy the four K adaptations
of these films, so I don't know what mine needs
to be changed.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
There, they're not adaptations. I could watch Zodiac and zero
K wouldn't fucking change the fact that it's a masterpiece.
You could be in twenty K. Does the movie get
five times better if we figure out a way to
put it in twenty K? This is like, I don't
give a shit. I don't give a shit about aspect ratios.
I won't give a shit about any of this stuff.
I'm a story nerd. That's why I have better taste

(01:20:39):
than people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah, Jess Ellisman, it says Jeff, it's my job to
help people digitize nineteen forties movies. And we do have
a we have screenings and people do show up to watch.
If you don't like old movies, fine, but stop ripping
on others who do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Sounds ignorant.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Well, Allen, you're saying that in La. If you are
doing this in another town, not La, how many people would.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Show up to the nineteen forties movie? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Nobody?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
And it's not that I There are certainly old movies
that I like in general. No, most old movies have
hokey acting. I mean yeah, I think a lot of
old movies are overrated. Wow, I can't go me The
Insider over The Godfather. You're an insane person, insane or correct?

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
No, insane? Insane?

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Fred says, hey, hot Mike. People sometimes mix best with favorite,
especially when they talk about the arts. My favorite movie
isn't the same as the best I've seen, Yes, Fred,
that's the standard thing for everybody. Yes, your best is
never is not always your favorite movie. The best movie
is not always the favorite. Like the best Spielberg movie
he's ever done is Shindler's List. Is that my favorite movie? Now?

(01:21:52):
But that's the best movie he's ever done in my opinion?
But Jaws is probably my favorites.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Yeah, The Crow isn't the best movie ever made. It's
just one of my movies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Yeah, that's Chattow, says John and Jeff. You have you,
guys watched The Last Frontier and murd All Death in
the Family, both starring Jason Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Well that shadow.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
I interviewed Jason Clark. It's up on the channel. We
had a fun time talking for ten minutes. I have
seen eight episodes of The Last Frontier. I'm going to
finish it out soon. But I've not seen Death in
the Family of Mrrow What about you, Jeff, you've seen
either of these?

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
I saw Last Frontier. It's good.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
My brother called actually last night to say he'd watched
the first episode and he also thought it was good. Yeah,
I haven't seen Murda. Definitely will dive into that one.
And again, guys, remember on your comments, like you need
to be specific because if you're like, well, that was
this and this was that. I say a lot of
things in these last you know, in any given moment
of the show. So I don't know what you're responding to.

(01:22:46):
I don't know what crazy thing I said Fiona George.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
I'm not that familiar with the Jetsons, but it will
be cool to see Jim Carrey again in something apart
from the Sonic Hedgehog films. I'm sure he's great in those.
This could be a fun project for him. Yeah. I'm
just happy that Jim's back doing and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
I missed him, you know, So I agreed. I think
he's a really exciting performer and a good get for
the Just Justons movie. I mean, he is a draw
for you know, families and family films like Jack Black.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Good point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Wiley Todd says, I just watched What Lives Beneath for
the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Favorite early two thousands thriller, Jeff early.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Two thousands thriller. I actually, I mean it's not my favorite,
but this was from the year two thousand, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Oh American Psycho?

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's a thriller from two thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
You're stumping hard for your boy lately, for your prest
of Red Easton Ellis.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
Can I say, guys right, I'd say.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Panic Room was a damn good thriller. I like that
one from Fincher.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Uh yeah, I think right, good answer, John like that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
All right, Let's see if we've got any stream labs
that have come through here that will answer on the show.
If not, we're out of questions, Jeff, we're already maybe
done with the show.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
We'll see no too early, Jumenez, What did I say
that so offended you? What was the craziest thing I've
ever said? I'm so curious, craziest.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
All right, here we go, Okay, we have some here, Jeff,
Let's go through these, while Billy Wednesday says, hey, thanks
for doing the show, guys, and a great watch. Variety
reporter of that w spent one hundred thirty millions on production,
thirty million on marketing for one bell after another, ticket
sales of split fifty. We talked about this already, While Billy,
is that generally true for the film business that ticket
sales will split fifty to fifty between studios in theaters?

(01:24:44):
Because if fifty fifty split is maybe generally true, and
studio spend money on production and marketing, why do the
theaters earn fifty percent unless they contribute something for their
films that I may not know about, besides displaying films
in the theaters. Well, I would say, while Billy, you're really
denigrating the fact that they display the movies in the theater,
because that's the whole fucking reason anyone goes to see
the movies, right, because they display him in.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
The theaters, they have to pay rent, not I mean
they have to keep the lights on there. What this
is a partnership and it does like one doesn't work
without the other. Yeah, I have movie theaters without movies
are playing him, and you can't have movies without theaters
to play them in.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Exactly, you're not gonna make any money putting them on
TV all the time. You know what Jacquan says, John
and Jeff say Jim Carrey is open. It says that
Jim carry Oh, John and Jeff I've heard them say
that Jim Carrey is open to reprising his role into
the Mask sequel.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Why hasn't WB Green lit this movie?

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
I would say because he's sixty three years old, and
I don't know how many people are clamoring for a
Mask sequel with Jim Carrey.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Jeff, Yeah, New Line's not doing it because somebody stopped them. No,
I mean, who gives a shit about the Mask like
Jim Carrey and Cameron Diaz were going to bring them
back now?

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
In general doesn't care about that shit? They don't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
But MENA, since I actually the question you said you're
mad that I said old movies have hoky acting. I
will stand by that there are. It's not that there
aren't any good actors that came out of the thirties
or forties or fifties. There certainly were. But if you're
telling me to put like today's just I could take
any average actor. I could take Bill camp character actor,
stick them in the movie from the thirty or forties.

(01:26:26):
You'd be the best actor on the fucking screen. Tell
me like Jessica Chastain and Jillen Hall and all these people,
like there was no like drama, Like were there drama
schools back in the day?

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Like yes, yes, is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
It a big deal to have gotten a big dream.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
When you were using your eyes from twenty to twenty five.
What they were doing back then is was considered the
top acting style from back then.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Chaplain's genius.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
I mean, yeah, but that's silent films. That's a different conversation.
Notice that Chaplain didn't make that jump to talkies except
for one and a half movie.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
You know, the Montgomery Cliff is a better actor than
Michael Stoolberg. No, I don't buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Sorry, Oh you're a dude, You're insane. Okay, Montgomery Cliff
in that scene in judgment Normburg, I'll put up against
any scene with Michael stoolbar.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Actor. But you know, I just don't think that those
old movie stars have what the talent that today's generally think.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Katherine Hepburn doesn't have the talent at Meryl Street.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
And that's the thing, Spencer Trace. They apply something that
you say to a fucking like a blanket that we
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
You just said those actors.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
You didn't say in gender role. There are exceptions to
the fucking rule. Yeah, Kevin Hepberd's a great actress. She's
a better actress than Ariana Grande.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
But who is the in general? Because now you're discounting
Betty Davis, you're discounting Marlon Brando, you're discounting on.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Any of them. Saying in general, the average actor from
back in the day couldn't hold a candle to the
average actor today, you're so wrong. Just in terms of
competition alone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
You're so insane. You're so insanely wrong on this. I
can't even I can't even.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Twenty zillion times more people, more actors. It takes way
more talent to stand out than it used.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
To really, Gina Carano, come on, uh, let's see Benjamin
Nichol says, halfway through one battle after another at the
Vista last Friday, a woman started yelling. At halfway through
one beat after another at the Vista last Friday, a
woman started yelling at the crowd. It looked like she
had a gun. Everyone stampeded out. We made it several
blocks before calling nine one one. I don't know if

(01:28:42):
she was ever apprehended. Scary.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Was she pregnant? Maybe it was Tiana Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
It was Costplay.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
It was Costplay exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Well, this is one of the reasons I moved out
of La Man because crazy, more and more crazy shit
was happening befo be where I left. So no surprise, Sure,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
No one's gonna blame me there.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Yeah, no surprise. I'm sad to see that the Vista
because that's one of the theater is one of the
only theaters showing it Invistavision. So the fact that these
people had their experience ruined by one unstable person, I
think is a shame on so many levels. So and
sorry about that, Benjamin. I've been in a situation like
that down in Echo Park where two guys were shooting

(01:29:25):
each other across the street.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
It was a fucking insane experience. So yeah, I hear you, man,
Las no joke, it's not for the week.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Samuel says, do you think Sony should reboot Short Circuit
but with a focus on AI? They got ip they
haven't looked back into. Also, which eighties classic do you
think should be remade with a modern touch? I, Jeff,
I gotta be honest with you. As a child the eighties,
I don't think there's any of those films that should
be remade because there's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
No audience for it anymore. I really don't. I don't
think there's any do you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
I mean, it depends on what it is. I think
war games would be good. Oh, you could do war games.
You could do even something like remember Cloak and Dagger.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Oh yeah, the Dadney Coleman one of course with the
I think was it Henry Thomas.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
There's a lot of movies from the eighties that you
could remake and modernize that I think would be interesting.
One of my favorites being Plain Clothes. But what was
the Short Circuit? Yes, I think we're kind of sick
of the whole eat. AI is evil. Yeah right, let's

(01:30:31):
have Ai be the hero. Let's have fucking Johnny five
h in there, and uh yeah he could be. I
mean I love those movies.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Yeah, Johnny five is alive.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Come on, a couple of cutlets cutting up, says John
and Jeff. Hope your day is going well, and watch
you watch a movie this weekend. You guys know if
Jeremy Allen is going to come back for the next
season the Bear or have a reduced role. Also, I
think Jeremy Strong should have won the Oscar for Kieran.
I don't overcre So over Kieran Kulkin.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Jeremy Trump should have won for you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
I mean that's anyone who saw those movies and has
eyeballs and a working brain would think the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Oh, I agree one with a Trump movie. It's only
because it was a Trump movie.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Yes, a much better performance. What was the first part
of the question.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
If Jeremy Allen White is coming back for next season?

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
No, they need the new season the Bear without the start.
They made Seinfeld without Jerry.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Right right, I mean they did Roseanne without Roseanne. It
did eventually happen.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Yeah, Jeremy Allen White will be back for the bear.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Yes, probably yes. Doug Developer says, the world is crazy, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Hypothetical question is the year twenty thirty one, a Democrat
as President Trump has passed away for a few years.
Do you think entertainment will remain right leading or will
it go back to taking chances on more progressive stories.
Has entertainment changed? I feel like it hasn't changed. I
feel like it's there's still just as many progressive stories.
I think the best question to ask is will people

(01:32:02):
be going to see these progressive stories or right leading stories?
Because Hollywood doesn't give a fuck. They care about money,
and if people are going to see more right leading
stories than progressive stories, then it's on the audience that
is telling Hollywood that these are the kind of movies
we want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Jeff your thoughts on I think Hollywood needs to listen
to the audience more and make it that we want
to see instead of just like getting some prized filmmaker
in the room and be like, well, what do you
want to do? You know, we're down to just do
whatever you want, because that's how half these fucking movies
get made. And you're like, why do they even make
this movie? Oh? Because some powerful director wanted to make
it right exactly, not because the executives felt good about it. Yeah,

(01:32:41):
it's because they just want to preserve that relationship, so
they want to Everybody just goes along to get along
these days.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Yes, Oh so annoying.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
It's again it's the same people who are in or
who are in charge, that were running the game when
I got to town twenty years ago. Yeah, so I
like taste. Can of change that much to the same people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Thirdy ur Vigo says best five trailer to anticipate for
the last by December. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
What's one of the five best trailers to anticipate for
the end of the year. That's that's an easy one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Okay, go ahead, Scar.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Seven, Okay, all right, I'll let you answer that. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I don't have an answer to that one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Eddie Alitias has just saw Eleer of the Great, solid
debut for Scar Joe. That's out in theaters as well.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Jeff, that'll been my plexon. I do want to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Jordan ross winehold nice picture there. Jordan saw a Kiss.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Of the Spider Woman.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
Okay, not great, which films won't people see coming at awards?

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Kiss of the Spider Woman? Bro, Now we should do
an interview with this guy? Is the one guy who
saw Kiss of the Spider Woman. What movies won't people
see coming at awards time?

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Well, Jordan, if you have a camera and a mic
in decent lighting, I could show I could send you
the address.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
You can come on and tell us what you thought
of the.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
First review of the Kiss and Spider Woman. What movies
will people not see coming? Yeah, that's a good question
at awards.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
I think some of the foreign films, right, I mean
they're starting to get a little play. I'm starting to
get invited to some of these screenings in LA which
I never go to because I can't drive up for
those things.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
I think, you know what, in fact, it's the movie
that hit today.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
It's the trailer. Did you watch the trailer for the
Secret Agent?

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
The is that the Vagna Moral one? Right, the Vagna More.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
One that looks like a great movie. And that's going
to be a movie that I think, you know, pops
up in major categories that people won't see coming.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
Yeah, they've Yeah, these are these are the times that
I I miss living in LA because there's so many
I'm getting invited to so many, and I want to
see these films. Is the season, baby, these are the
town sing I think next year I'm going to rent
a house for a month in LA and just go
to all the screenings for the award stuff. I hate

(01:35:16):
missing out on this stuff and seeing it at a time,
and I think I can make like I can validate
it financially and have it as a write off, you know,
because it's content for the channel.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
We'll see anyway. All right, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Oh wait, one more here is that shadow is James
Spader's return as Ultron and Vision Quest feel like a
one offer. Could Marvel do more with Ultron? Probably a
question for John. I like his return. I would probably
assume it's a one off because they kind of want

(01:35:49):
to wrap that up, But I can't imagine they would
keep going with him as Ultron.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Yeah, James Spader is the new Iron Man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Hey, that would be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Eddie Olydia says that that will be good. The trailer
was weird. Yeah, that's another screening that's happening this week.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
I am nervous about it, but I do think it'll
be good.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
I too. Yeah, I've heard positive things from some people
who've seen it, which is.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
I've heard positive things as well. Again, I'm nervous, but
it is from James Vanderbilt, who can be a good writer.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Okay, all right, all right, let's say, Jeff show about
anything else you want to talk about?

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
What do I want to talk about? Let's talk about Well,
first of all, we again, John and I are going
to be selling merch soon. I'm gonna get him on
a call with my bro and we're gonna need pre
orders though, right, So that's probably the way we're gonna
end up doing it, especially if you guys want to

(01:36:50):
customize your colors, because I did black and purple, and
we'll offer more than just hats, will be like hoodies
and all kinds of stuff I think my brother can
py up and it'll be perfect in time for the holidays,
and it'll be like on a shop that's like a
limited edition shop, so it'll be open for like two
weeks and that's it. We'll get all the orders in

(01:37:10):
in those two weeks and then we'll bring them to
the hat manufacturer or whatever and try to get them
out in time for the holidays. So stay tuned on
that front. Meanwhile, we got thousands of people here watching
the show. Guys, I know we say it every week.
Subscribe to the newsletter. I mean, what are you doing?
If again, if you need a discount, just DM me,
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(01:37:32):
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say hey, I haven't you know it's tough this month
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Whatever it is, I'll give you a discount. Won't even
question it, Okay, I won't even think twice. So you subscribers,
sign on up because we're gonna have a lot of
exciting oscar stuff and I am starting to pound the

(01:37:53):
pavement again. You know, I haven't broken that much stuff
these last few weeks. I felt guilty about it, okay,
but I've been reaching out to sources more and I'm
holding certain stories for people, and I think that there
will be some good stuff coming in the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
There you go, that's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
You know what I always say. Please subscribe to the
channel down below. Jeff says, we have thousands of people
that watch us here on the channel, and I'm still
what fifty away from forty thousand, and the thing is
more people that subscribe to the channel, the more people
I can get on to be guests on the channel,
maybe even be guests and joining.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Jeff and I on the hot mic for interviews or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Like nothing to hit that button, guys, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
Because nothing hit that button and hit the bell button.
So you know what's happening for sure. Jeff is just broke.
So I got to get your thoughts on this. Let
me bring the picture up real quick. But this is
reporting in a number of places. But Ace freely has
passed away from Kiss. This is just breaking now. Over

(01:38:57):
the last couple of or the last few minutes, A's
Philly co founder, lead guitarist of the legendary rock band
Kiss and a member of the Rock and Roll Hall
of Famous, died following injuries suffered during a fall last month.
He passed away today, though according to a statement from
his family, he was seventy four. They're devastating and heartbroken.
In his last moments, we were fortunate enough to have
been able to surround him with loving carrying, peaceful words,

(01:39:19):
bought prayers and intentions as he left this earth. You know,
I don't know what your experiences with Kiss, Jeff, but
that was a big deal in the seventies and eighties
when I was growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
So sad to see and pass on only at seventy four,
Jeff so young.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
I called my dad to break the news to him,
and he was like caught out guard because, you know,
no one had heard that he was sick or anything. Again,
he's a fall last month and just passed away from
a result of those injuries. Seventy four, still had some
time left, so it's a bummer, and Dad had been
looking forward to I think his next album. Yeah, like ow,

(01:39:57):
I think I came out in the shmodown sometimes to
back them the New York Groove.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think I remember that I was.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
Be an iconic musician, and I think they're trying to
make a Kiss movie. They already filmed it or something.
So it's a shame he didn't live to see it.
But yeah, and a rock icon.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Yeah, you know, he was the guy I kind of
most liked over Jeane Jean was the one who got
the most attention, but I liked that Ace was one
of those guys that had no problem giving you his
opinion on shit, whether he liked it or not, and
so it's a shame to see him pass on in
such a way, but at least surrounded by family and friends.
There's something that's a good way to go. If you're

(01:40:35):
going to go, you know, knowing how loved you are.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Before you leave.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Two quick superjests came through here, Jeff, Wayne Edwards, what's up, Wayne,
Good evening. I recently watched Rewatch The Substance with my
girlfriend who's forty eight and her niece was twenty one.
They both loved it. It was my third time seeing it.
I appreciate it even more. Yeah, it's on HBO Max now.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
Jeff, I'd like to see it again myself. I only
saw it once again. I thinked that that last ten
minutes just kind of ruins it, or it doesn't ruin it,
but it's it's a bummer because without those ten minutes,
I think you're looking at an all timer of a movie.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Jordan Ross whitehold says a hot take Amy Madigan Oscar nomination.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Yeah, real big hot take there, Thank you. Georgian.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
Apparently, if gold Derby is saying that she's six or whatever, yeah,
that's crazy to me. She's definitely getting in exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
All right, let's get out of here, Jeff. We got
nothing else going on. So unless you want something else
you want to talk about, I'm good to go.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
Here by thee after the Hunt. Did you see it?

Speaker 1 (01:41:32):
I did? Yeah, I talked about it earlier while you
were checking your phone. What do you want to know?

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Did you like?

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
I liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
It wasn't it wasn't great, but it was good. My
issue with the film is that they brought up all
these really controversial takes on these issues, like a woman
accuse a black woman accusing a white man of rape?
Should a man? Should I a woman? Believe every woman?
They brought up all these things.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
But they don't answer huh and then they don't answer
them or yeah no.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
I don't need an answer.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
It's more of an exploration of the issue, and I
think they go a lot of surface exploration or maybe
like Babypool level deep, but there is much more that
they should have explored. And I think they criminally sideline
Andrew Garfield for the movie when he's the man who's
been accused. If you're going to groundbreak and show me
all the different challenging takes on stuff, then challenge the audience,

(01:42:26):
especially the women in the audience, to see it from
the male point of view, what it's like to be
accused if he actually is genuinely innocent, what that does
to someone. So I thought they kind of, uh, what
is it? I thought they coughed out by not doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
Over the movie would have been better with Montgomery Cliff.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Well, he's too old for any of the roles except
for the Michael Steelelbar role, but I think it would
have been good in that role. By Actually, my issue
though with the movies iotea biriy I think I owe.
I know, you're not supposed to You're supposed to be
thrown off by the character.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Through the whole movie.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
But I do think some of her twitch blink acting
is she's is a little bit of a crotch at times,
and it comes through in certain moments in the movie
as an actor watching another actor, I'm like and so
it keeps me from fully connecting to the day.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
Is a big test for her in my book, because
I don't really know. I don't know if she had
a lot of business booking this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
I don't disagree with you, to be honest with.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
You, Well, so I'm going in, I'm giving her a chance.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Yeah yeah, I mean I look at someone like Chase
Infinity and one batt lefter and I go I immediately thought,
after movies on, I would have seen her in this role.
I think would have killed it. It be too long, yes,
fifteen minutes too long in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
There's the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
It just starts to repeat itself and you're just like what,
And then Chloe Savigny is in total five minutes of
the movie, which is really makes no sense when you've
got such a strong actress in Chloe. But Julia was great,
and I think Julia should get nominated. I don't know
how well one.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Did say that she won't be and then she's falling
out because no one liked this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
That's crazy. She's fucking so good in the film. It's
her best thing she's ever done.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
I don't trust critics on this movie or shit, this
is a movie where they cannot be taken.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
That's a fair point. That's a fair point. I liked
how challenging the film was. I wanted it to.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
Be more challenge There's nothing critics hate more than being challenged.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
True sympathy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
All thinks says on tront Airy's Best Visual Effects Oscar contender,
excellent soundtrack Gretelee is stunning. Yeah, probably didn't see it.
Maybe maybe the soundtrack for sure. I think it's a
shame because this is Jared Leto. Jared Leto is not
the problem that film failed, and he's getting blamed for
all of it. But Jared was damn good in that movie.

(01:44:46):
So I think it's a shame that this is the
thing he's getting blamed for, and that Tron might be
shutting downs a franchise when he delivered a damn good performance.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
If Daniel day Lewis had played areas, I don't know
what difference.

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
Not wrong? Uh Steve Blacks has any news for Doomsday?
Any new cast announcements? I've heard any thing?

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Didn't I read off the whole fucking cast a few months.
Go back, Go back and watch that videos.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
That's sure you did.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Robert Sanchez? Anything about Predator bad Lands hoping it's good?
Have you heard anything on that? I'n't heard anything.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
I haven't heard anything, but I think it will be good.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Yeah, Jay Scoots. Any early buzz on the Running Man?

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Not yet, and they need to start ramping that up.
Soon that that movie's gonna need some early buzz.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
I think, aren't we like less than a month away
from that coming out like once it coming November. Yeah,
it's close sympathy of all things xenomorphs in Predator bad Lands.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Probably your guess as good as ours.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
I would have.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
And I told you already that that they were starting
to cross those franchises again. I think those screams are
starting to cross.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
I think that last trailer showed us a bigger version
of the Eye creature that we saw in Alien Earth.
So they're absolutely crossing, crossing the streams in all right,
that's everything.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
That's everything.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Now let's get out of Thank you guys so much.
We appreciate you madly. Thanks for the streamline, super chests,
a lively chat. Jeff once again, where can they Where
can they find your newsletter? And all you've got going on?

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Brother Utheinsider dot com and f I C new episode
tomorrow on Perry's channel. I'm going over Best Picture again,
and to quote the Pillion trailer, I'm buying you a butthole,
a butthole, a butt plug because you're too tight.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
There you go, Wait the same Raimi trailer. Do you
like the same Rami trailer? That looked good?

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
We're gonna talk more about the pillion trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
I didn't see the trailer.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
Yeah, I'm buying you a butt plug. You're too tight.
Send help. I think it looked like a blast.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Yeah, yeah, agreed, It's.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
What about Primate? Did you see Primate? Did you like
that trailer?

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Also look like a fucking blast? Terrifying?

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
We're in for some fun for sure. That's where you
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