JAMES GUNN DC Updates, Feige Talks MCU Updates with Variety

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah, what's up everybody. Welcome to a brand new episode
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a good we can have rather a good video for
the show, and of course we're on the precipice of
Comic Con, which is just around the corner, and everyone's

(01:21):
getting ready for that. Although it's a little bit of
me once again the last few years, the excitement is
still there to be there and see people and see
things and explore the floor and and what have you.
But certainly the excitement of big studios showing up to
Comic Con is not happening anymore, as we saw what
like seven or eight of the major studios and production
companies are not going down there with stuff or not

(01:46):
making an appearance at all, sorry, with theatrical stuff, or
not making an appearance at all, which is sad to see.
And it's sliding into much more of the TV stuff,
much more of the streaming stuff, animated stuff, comic book stuff.
So if you've got a person who likes that and
that's where you're and video game stuff that's where your
jam is, then you know you must be pretty excited

(02:06):
to see what's happening at Comic Con. But for me personally,
I always like to go for the big events, the
hall h moments, you know, those are like great things
to be a part of. Just like it's almost like
sports for nerds, where you just show up and you're
like cheering on this stuff and it's almost like a
royal rumble for WWE nerds for WWE type of thing.

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You know, you don't know who is coming out the curtain,
what surprises are in store, who's coming back, you know.
I think of being there when they announced the Avengers,
sorry it's a little bit too high. At the Avengers
when they had the whole cast come out. I remember that,
and then then when they announced Blade, which of course
who knows when that's happening now, But I remember being

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there when Tom Hilson came out as Loki.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
That was an awesome situation.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I remember when you know, Ben Affleck, Galganote, all the
people showed up for that Justice League promotion. I remember
being in the crowd for that momoa, yeah, all of them,
you know. And I've seen some interesting panels. I've seen
drama in Hall h when the during one of the
Harry Potter panels when to Nerd slash geeks got into

(03:13):
a fight over a seat and from what I understand,
one stab the other with a pencil and there was
bloody shirt. It was the whole thing that went down,
so but also like it's hanging out with my friends.
The geek Buddy is in our extended family of friends,
going into hall, h standing in line, getting in, sitting there,
watching all this stuff, holding your poop for eight hours,

(03:36):
peeing when you can, those kinds of things. You know,
you miss that kind of stuff, So it'll be fun.
So the Geek Buttt is definitely going down. Mike and
Shannon are definitely going to be there. Our friend JG
is going to be there. Mike Kalanowski, friend of the
geek Buddy, is going to be there as well. I
might pop down for a day or two, but not
really planning ongoing for the whole week. But we'll see.

(03:56):
Maybe we'll do a geekbit impromptu geek buddies get together
at one of the places and you guys can come
by and say hi. We could take pictures and we
can all hang out and talk about nerd geeky stuff.
We will see, but they're very excited to go. I
though you might say, like where you live in San
Diego isn't easier. It's way more difficult than you think

(04:17):
because I don't live like downtown. So where I live
is about twenty twenty five minutes outside the city. It's
still considered San Diego County, but driving into the city
is a bear during comic Con, and then finding parking
that is remotely safe is a danger of comic con
as well.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
And the prices are just insane.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I remember going down a couple of years ago for
a Wednesday or a Thursday rather, and it was like
fifty bucks for the first four hours and then you
had to come back and pay another for the rest
of the day. There are there are hotels that val
a your car that you could leave your car in,
so that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
But yeah, it's like eighty bucks for the day or.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Whatever, so you're paying a pretty penny, not as much
as you would for a hotel room for sure. In
the exchanges that you don't really have a place to
go in detox and nap and use the restroom or
shower or even work out, which is a good like
kind of thing you can do to take a break
when you're staying down there. But you know, it is
what it is. Everything comes with the pros and cons
of the situation, so we will see. But yeah, I

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mean it's a shame. It's a shame that we're not
going to get that for Comic Con San Diego, Comic
Con and what have you. So but you know, we'll see,
we'll see what big surprises are coming. And speaking of
big surprises, James Gunn, we're going to talk about that today.
He was on the Happy, Sad, Confused podcast with Josh
Horowitz and offered a bunch of DC updates. I'm sure

(05:38):
you've seen some of the stuff covered in other places,
but I'm going to do my unique spin on it
and give you my truth or what I think is
the truth of what's going on here, the things he's saying.
We're also going to get into the Superman box office
a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
After that, we're going to get into.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Some of the Fantastic Four first reactions that have been
filtering through over the last few days overwhelmingly positive spoiler alert,
so we'll talk about those. I see it tomorrow night.
It's a press screening, thank god, so it means it
won't be full of people, it'll be just a few
of us. And then you'll have my out of theater
reaction tomorrow night. And then, of course, I don't know

(06:19):
how we're going to do the review with the geek
buddies this week because we're going to see it together
on Friday. So what I may do on Friday morning
where I may do a out of theater reaction from
the geek buddies Mike and Shannon. Then I'll put up
and then we'll figure out when we're going to do
the spoiler review, which will probably be I don't think
it'll be Sunday night, but may maybe Monday night. Maybe
we'll do a spoiler review slash Comic Con recap on

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Monday night live here on the Channel, So we'll see.
We'll be planning on all of that as we go along,
but business as usual for the rest of the week.
We'll have spilled the tequila on Tuesday, Jeff and I
will be doing hot mic possibly tomorrow night, definitely Thursday,
so there will be more. There'll be tent all week
here on the channel, so and I'll of course be
covering all the stuff that's coming out in terms of

(07:06):
trailers and big news and all of that. And that's
kind of why I'm glad I started the Truth because
this will be a this will be an all encompassing
show where if things break during the day, can just
jump on and do a quick either five to ten
minute hit or go live to talk about all the
news and what have you. So I mean, I may
go live every night at Comic Con to see what
the big news coming out of Comic Con is, to

(07:26):
see people's thoughts and all of that. So yeah, we'll
see a lot of plans overall for it. So all right,
so we're gonna jump into this thing. Just don't remind
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and you know how to send super chats as we

(07:47):
go along. So let's jump into this thing here. Let's
get into it. James Gone James Gon was on the Happy, Sad,
Confused podcast, as I said, talking about the DC updates
and some of the things. He brought up a really
interesting to take a look at when we're looking at all
this The first one that's the big story is that
he talked about how he informed Henry Cavill that he

(08:12):
was not going to be Superman anymore. And this is
such an interesting convoluted, frustrating situation. That is a window
into how things work in big studios. I'm a rundown
what he says here. Gun explained that at the so
Gun recalled the moment he had to inform Henry Cavill

(08:33):
that he'd be recasting the role in his DCU.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
We sat down with Henry. It's terrible, is one of
the quotes here.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Gun explained that at the time he had already started
pending a new younger version of Superman prior to getting
his job as co head of DC Studios along co CEO.
Alongside co CEO Peter Saffron, however, Gun explained that at
some point wires were crossed. As the day prior to
that situation Gun and as the day prior to Gun
and Saffron signed their deal to I had to the
Superhero division of wb In October of twenty two, twenty two,

(09:03):
Cavil's returned as Superman was announced. Here's his actual quotes. So,
we were dealing with trying to figure out if producer
Peter Saffron and I could take the job at DC Studios,
and we're talking to David Zaslov at all the legal
people there and figuring out what our deals would be.
The day our deal closed, all of a sudden, they
were announcing that Henry was back, and I'm like, what
is going on? We know what the plan is. The

(09:26):
plan was to come in and do Superman. So it
was really unfair to Cavil. It was a total bummer,
But it was a vacuum at the time, and a
lot of people were, well, I'm trying to be diplomatic
as possible here. Other people had a take on what
they wanted to do at DC, and they were trying
to force their way in. Now let's take a look
at this thing. So we we we were dealing with
trying to figure out if Gun and Saffron could take

(09:50):
the job at DC Studios. They were talking to Day's
David Zaslova, a legal people there, figuring out what our
deals would be. The day our deal closed, all of
a sudden, they were announcing that Henry is back, and
I'm like, what is going So clearly this is a
studio issue, and this is a fascinating thing when you
look at it, because this speaks to the issues people

(10:10):
have had with Warner Brothers for such a long time.
When it comes to the huzoot hero stuff that they
don't really understand the value of what they have because
it doesn't stop them from having so much behind the
scenes Shenanigan, so much behind the scenes drama, so much confusion,
so much frustrating stumbling and stepping on toes. It's just

(10:34):
mind blowing when you look at this situation. So how
is one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing? Right,
and you go, well, we're closing the deal. Zaslov is
closing the deals with his legal people, with Gun and Saffron,
So why would they announce the next day that Henry
cavill is coming back? And remember this was all to
promote Black Adam, that he was coming back to do

(10:57):
a cameo on Black Atom. They even had Henry do
a video, right, Remember that they had Henry do a
video saying how excited he was to be coming back
to play Supermans. So embarrassing, so much egg on his face.
But James is clarifying for us what the timeline of
all of this was, right, And so some people were
going after James Gohn, some people were going after the

(11:22):
Rock And let's give you a little bit of background
on that. For those the view that may not know.
THHR did an article on all of this a few
years ago, which I think I covered a couple of
years ago, which I think I covered on my channel.
But The Rock and director Jean Call It Sarah felt
compelled to add Kelll to the film after a test
screening a scene after test screening a scene that revealed

(11:42):
Soups only by way of silhouette and his iconic emblem,
just like they did in Shazam. If you guys remember
that in Shazam, Call It Sarah and The Rock felt
even more compelled to get the Man from Uncle Starr
back in a Superhero. From there, Duane Johnson reportedly lobbied
hard to get Cavill back. Johnson and cab Cavil coincidentally
had the same manager, which I think was Danny Garcia,
the Rock sex wife, and they pushed for Cavil's return

(12:05):
and then DC films ahead. Walter Hamada actually resisted the idea,
said he liked the idea because they had other Superman
related plans in the works, but apparently Johnson went oh D.
The Rock went over Walter Hamada's head to Michael de
Luca on Pamela Abdy and Ultimately, Abdeen de Luca proved
Johnson's request. So again, why are Abde and de Luca

(12:29):
approving this without Zaslov's knowledge or were they doing this
with Zaslov's knowledge? And was Zaslov playing both sides of
the fence here? Like if Black Adam had been a
monster hit and you have Cavil coming back and doing
a video announcing his return, what would have happened to

(12:51):
James Gunn and Peter Saffren's deals. And remember the Rock
wanted to fight Superman in a film. He wanted to
essentially take control of the DCU universe completely. And that's
what I'm sense and that's what I'm seeing here if
I'm reading between the lines and what James said to
hear that, what do you say other people had a
take on what they wanted to do at dc and

(13:12):
we're trying to force their way in. So I don't
know if you're forcing your way in, if you're going
over someone's head leading to the two executives who could
make the decision. The two executives make the decision without
the head of Warner Brothers approval possibly or with the
warners you're not forcing your way in you're proposing something,

(13:36):
you're getting it done, they're accepting it, and they're okaying it.
So you have been You're not holding them a gunpoint.
This isn't the fucking Godfather where they had a gun
to De Luca and Abney said and said, either your
name or your brains are going to be on this
contract to bring back Henry Gavil, a capitalist superman. That's nonsense.
What I think the truth is here is that Zaslov

(13:59):
was trying to a hedge all his bets at the
same time he was trying to have his cake and
eat it too. Warner Brothers as a whole was trying
to have their cake and eat it too. Look, we
just signed James Gunn and Peter Saffron. They I know
the suicide, you know all of that, but we don't
know what they can do running an entire universe. So

(14:20):
I'm going to prove this. Let Because if you think
Zaslov was like, oh, I guess whatever, you can do
things on your own without my approval whatever, you're insane.
So I think Zaslov approved this through De Luka and
Abde because he wanted to see what could happen here
and if the Rock was of the Adam. Black Adam

(14:40):
was a big hit cavel being a part of Black Adam,
people were incredibly excited to see this again. Then Zaslov
has more how can I say this negotiation leverage to
tell Gun and Saffron, well, Black Adam has a hit.
We kind of want to keep going with this, and
then maybe there's a possibility where you slide Black at

(15:03):
Him into an elseworld's thing. Although I don't think The
Rock's ego would have been able to handle that. I
also think James Gun's ego wouldn't have been happy with that. Look.
Him and Matt Reeves work together. They are filmmakers. The
Rock and James Gunn are two different things. Matt Reeves
and James Gunn fellow filmmakers, accomplished filmmakers, directors, what have you.

(15:24):
The Rock is a celebrity, The Rock is a superstar.
The Rock is a producer. The Rock is not a director.
The Rock is not that kind of stuff. So it's
a and he's an actress. There's a different situation when
you look at it, so I think the Reeves situation,
although I do think there is stuff going on behind
the scenes with Reeves and Gun in my opinion, it's

(15:44):
what I think. What I think mu's my truth is
that something's going on there. It's interesting to see that
they were gonna they were playing essentially at both sides
in this whole situation, because a they didn't stop the
movie coming out, They didn't stop Henry Cavil from being
in the movie, and they went forward with it. So

(16:05):
if you think Zaslov didn't tacitly approve this, just in
case you're insane, there's no way de Luke and Abdey
would do this behind Zaslov's back. I just don't think
that's possible, especially if they want to keep their jobs.
And so what's interesting is that later with this whole situation,

(16:28):
the Rock was asked about what happened here on the
red carpet. I think at the Oscars, I think Brandon
Davis said. Comic Book asked him, and they asked him
what happened with Henry Cavill, and he said the only
thing him and his team were able to control was
Black Adam making the best movie possible and hopefully setting
up a storyline that fans wanted to follow. He claimed
that their audience score was in the nineties which is nonsense.

(16:49):
It's eighty eight percent fresh on rot tomatoes, which is
madness to me that film is so bad, But he
admits that critics took plenty of shots at the movie
so they.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Weren't able to continue. Come on, if I'm glad that
it's eighty eight percent.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Critics don't matter one iota if people are coming back
over and over and over again to see the movie
and basically say they want more, but they didn't. And
I don't think critics destroy Black Adam. I think Black
Adam wasn't a good movie for a lot of people,
and they didn't go back a second time, like they
saw what they needed to see and they were like, yeah,
it's fine, it's fun whatever, But they wasn't like, whoa,

(17:21):
I got to go back and see it over and
over again, which we're going to get to with.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
The Superman box off a little bit later.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
The bigger problem is that the old regime allowed Cavalty
actually a court of video right and stayed to the
fantasy for she was back, and the Rock didn't stop
there without actually calling out James Gunn. This is what
he said. He didn't call out James Gunn, but he
kind of called out.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
James Gunn on the Red Carpet.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
He said he couched his criticism in a sports analogy
that makes sense, even if it's sad for those enjoy
Black Adam. The way that he described it was a
new owner took over their team and even though the
existing coach and quarterback experienced success, the rock is exaggerating
when he used the term of success. I agree with that.
The new owners quote unquote gun and Saffaran wanted to
go with their fresh picks for Superman, and so he

(18:06):
just said all they could do was make the best
Black Adam movie they could. So I really wonder what
would have happened if Shazam two had been a hit,
if Black Adam had been a hit, if Blue Bido
had been a monster, well, Blue Binto's still kind of
be in the game, and The Flash had been a hit.

(18:29):
Do you create a separate else World's universe, because listen,
they want to make money Warner Brothers, right, So do
they create a whole separate Elseworl's thing. Look, James has said,
and I'm going to get to his quote, he has
said that he is cool with else World stuff. The
thing is, James wants to approve what this else world
stuff is. I don't think it would have sat well

(18:52):
with him if they had forced the Rocks Black Adam,
Henry Cavill, Superman, especially Henry Cavill Superman and Flash with
Ezra Miller and the problems that could have caused. And
Zachary Levi, who of course has fallen off the knutball
cliff with all of the stuff that he's been saying

(19:12):
for Shazam. I think that would have been way too confusing.
You can have a different kinds of jokers. That's different.
That joker with Joaquin is like trying to win oscars
and shit like. That's an art house, a twenty four
type approach. It's got nothing to do with a comic
book universe. Right, You would essentially have had two competing

(19:33):
comic book universes at the same time. Now, financially that
could be great, but financially it could also be an
utter disaster where you are siphoning interest from one universe
to another universe, and then people are comparing them and

(19:53):
you're creating essentially a hat Fields versus McCoy's a Yeah,
Man of Steele versus Superman argument, because you would have
had two separate Superman, two separate possibly bad. It seems
like when we have two separate Batmen, it seems like
you couldn't we could. That's would have been insane to
that honestly would have been insane to me. I don't

(20:14):
think it's good business practice, and I think it sends
a wrong It would have sent a wrong message to
a lot of creators and the last people we should
be running a superhero universe. Well not the last people.
One of a few people I would have think was
is the star and the director from Jungle Cruise, No offense.

(20:35):
Jungle Cruise a fun film, but that is not a
blueprint for creating an entire fing universe, you know, And
so I think it would have been a disaster. Again,
if Black Adam had been a hit, though a massive hit,
I think this would have been an interesting conversation. And
I think the Rock and James would have butted heads

(20:55):
with their egos throughout the whole process, because the Rocks
no joke, y'all. I mean, he's sweet. He does everything
for people that he can. He helps people out, he
pays bills, He's always sweet to the people who are
in need, underserved, communities. Rock's a good guy at his heart,
but he is a ruthless, ruthless businessman, and he's smart

(21:17):
and he knows like this is a guy. It's why
he's called seven Bucks Productions, because that's all he had
in his pocket when he came back from Canada trying
to break into the Canadian Football League. Wasn't happy he
couldn't get into the NFL and had to come back
home and become a wrestler. And so he is always
reminded by that title of where he came from. So

(21:38):
there is a hungry desire to establish himself more and more.
So I think it's really fascinating to consider the what
if of these scenarios and how what we have now
with this with a lot of people, a lot of
people in DC field, a lot of DC fans field,
this uplifting, joyful expectation of what's coming from the James

(22:02):
Gun universe. I think that all would have been dashed
if Black Adam had been a hit, if Flash had
been a hit, if Shazam too had been a hit,
because then there would have been some very hard cuts,
and certainly they had I mean it was easier to
cut Shazam easier to cut the Flash, easier to cut
Wonder Woman, because those were all the sequels were terrible

(22:25):
or the films were terrible in the Flash, and what
a Flash isn't terrible, it's just not it doesn't hold
up to rewatch and it's not as good as it
could have been, and so it kind of falls apart.
I rewatched about an hour of it the other night,
just kind of remember, right, the scenes with Keaton are great,
but again, I mean it's almost like, I mean, it's

(22:46):
almost like a meta version of this whole scenario where
let's say Cavil is the Michael Keaton character being shoved
into this new universe. I just would not have worked.
The results didn't work. And I think Keaton was great
as Batman in that movie, but YO said Aflek and
Clooney and it was just a jumble mess, really was,

(23:09):
And so you look at it and you go, Okay,
I don't think it would have worked to have two
competing universes here. But Zaslov, that just shows you. Zaslov
just sees the dollar bills. Man. He's not out here
trying to like create some precious DC. No matter what
he said in that statement, after Superman's Box Office a
ten year plan and this is our vision. You can't

(23:29):
say you had a vision when you were trying to
undercut your vision the next day after you signed Gun
and Zefron. That doesn't make any sense. That doesn't make
any sense. So to me, this is the madness of
what he was trying to do. Strens's Flash was awesome.
Well fair, if you like that, you feel like that,

(23:52):
But no, it was interesting because I mean, this is
when you know, those films came out, and I don't
know if they necessary. Again, I don't know if they necessary.
Would have been lame duck films if they had been hit.
I think there would have been negotiations. I think there
would have been some pushback from possibly Zaslov to Gun
in Saffron saying, Saffron saying, hey, listen, we're gonna go

(24:15):
forward with this. I'm gonna put De, Luca, and Abde
in charge of this. James, you can be in charge
of the main DC universe Earth six one six, to
use a reference, You can be in charge of the
main universe, but I'm gonna have to Luca and Abde
be in charge of the elseworld stuff. And this and
possibly this whole new DC universe, and we're gonna go

(24:36):
forward with that. And what would I mean? I would
love to have seen what Gun in Saffron would have
done in that situation if they had been forced to
essentially create a new DC universe to compete with the
DC universe that is already in motion. I mean, because
if you open the door to the Rock Black Adam,
then you open the door to Shazam, you open the

(24:58):
door to Cavil, the open a door to Ben Affleck's Batman,
the Flash, all of it. So essentially a Snyder verse.
You would have essentially had a Snyder verse competing with
a gun verse. And I just don't know how that
would have worked. The other element of this, and I
want to bring this up because I think this is
something that stood out to me. And again, you guys know,

(25:22):
sometimes I take things and I go in certain places.
Not always wrong though, as some of you who discovered,
not always right too, But I'm not always wrong. But
I think Jeff's alluded to this on the hot mic before.
But I think there is a divide between de Luca
and Abde and James Gott. I think the Luca and

(25:42):
Abdy are mad that they got moved aside for James
Gunn to come in and take control of the main
DC universe. If the Luca and Abdy were the ones
who approved this request from Dwayne Johnson and Jean call
it sera over Walter Hamada's ofs uh Oh, I didn't

(26:04):
even mention Aquaman two. If Aquaman two had been a
hit boom, then you go there. Then you've got a
whole nother I mean, legitimately, I think Warner Brothers would
have absolutely done a one eighty and there would have
been a James Gunn universe and a DC else World's
universe influenced by Zack Snyder's character versions of those characters. Anyway.

(26:28):
So so getting back, so when you look at the situation,
the Rock and Shom called like all of this stuff,
I just think it's a fascinating thing. And the Luke
and Abdey were the ones who approved this, and the
Luke and Abdy are the ones who are working with
Matt Reeves on The Batman and been The Batman Part two.

(26:48):
And yes, James gun is involved, but according to Jeff
in other places, other people are the reporters, The Lucan
Abdy Matt Reeves submitted a script to Luke and Abdney
first and then James Gunn. So this is a fascinating
situation when you look at it. You know, De Luke
and Abde have made steps throughout this process that you

(27:11):
could argue, through a certain prism, through a certain point
of view, make it very clear, in a passive aggressive
way or in a Hollywood sneaky kind of way, that.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
They are not a big fan of what James Gunn
is doing.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
So it'd be curious to see how they feel about
Superman now now that it's we're going to get to
the box office, but now that it's essentially becoming a
successful film. It's not one hundred percent successful yet, but
it's getting there. I wonder what their thoughts on this are.
And you know they've moved on obviously they're doing They've
got other stuff that are coming down, and minecraft movie

(27:45):
did really well.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
We'll see how the Bride does.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Adding at twenty four, what's the other one, Oh, the
Paul Thomas Anderson one. We'll see how that one does,
which a lot of people are expecting might eat the dirt.
So well, it's going to be interesting, and so I
just wonder how all of this would have played out
if those films had been hit, so it would have

(28:13):
been hits rather so I just think it's fascinating. But Cavell, sorry,
gun went on to say about Cavell, they sat him,
they had to sit him down because they were so embarrassed.
And listen, I think you guys should watch this. It's
about fifty two minutes. It's a really good interview with
James Gunn. I think he comes across as a really
cool dude, but also at times you see the healthy

(28:34):
ego that he has about how he views things. He
has a couple of like I wouldn't say nerd rage moments,
but I would say nerd perturbed moments with certain things.
And I think the way he tries to be diplomatic
about the Rock situation, you can tell he's still pissed
about that. But he continued explaining that when they ultimately

(28:56):
had to have the tough conversation with Cavell, he said
that Henry Cavill was a quote gentleman during the conversation
we came in, and that was really unfortunate. I'm like,
this poor guy, Peter, and I the right thing to
do is sit down with him and talk to him.
We sat down, we talked to him, and Horowitz asked him,
what was it on the phone and say no, No, we
talked to him in person.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
He was an absolute gentleman, a great guy about it.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
He said, the only thing I asked is that I'm
able to reveal it myself as opposed to it coming
from you guys. They, which James said, they were one
hundred percent okay with and they let him do that, right.
And I'm sure James did that because Abdien de Luca
and others allowed Cable and zaslov I would say, allowed

(29:38):
Cavell to make that video announcing his return. So he
should be able to make a video announcing the fact
that he can't continue. So I thought that was really sweet.
But here's another element of this. Then Horowitz asked gun
the big question. Would it be too confusing to cast
him in your DC universe? And this was amazing. He

(29:58):
said absolutely not, it would not be too confusing as
another character. We talked to him about it on that day.
I would love to put Henry in something. I'll tell
you this right now. I would love to have Henry
Cavill come back into the James Gunn DC universe in
some form or capacity. Now some of you who are

(30:19):
the hardcore Snyder bros. Are like, well, no, they did
him dirty. They did him dirty. James Gunn didn't do
him dirty. James Gunn had been writing a Superman movie.
Zaslov knew he was writing a Superman movie. They tasked
him to write a Superman movie. And he didn't want
to write a Superman movie for DW. Cavill. He wanted
to do his own thing. And I think there's nothing

(30:41):
wrong with that. You have a right if you're hired
as the coach and you're going in a new direction,
you have a right to bring in the players that
you want to bring in because everything hinges on you.
It doesn't mean you can't use someone else's players who
were there before. As we saw with what who was it?
Tony Dungee, No, John Gruden taking Tony Dungee's Tampa Bay

(31:03):
Buccaneers team essentially unchanged and leading them to the Super
Bowl and winning the Super Bowl. Barry Switzer did that
with Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys. That stuff happens, right, So you
look at the situation here, James could have kept cavill
could have kept a couple of people, or a few
people could have kept gal Gado, but he didn't want to.
He wants to do his own vision of the universe,

(31:25):
not Snyder's, and not with Snyder's characters, and I think
asking him to do that is nonsense, just utter nonsense.
He wants to do it, he should be allowed to
do it. The idea that he wants to bring Cavill in,
and by extension, you could say he said that about
Ben Affleck too, that he wanted Ben to come back
at some point down the road with the DC universe
and direct. Now Ben has said he doesn't have anything

(31:46):
to do with it because it was such a terrible
experience and all that. But I think if James Gunn
continues this feeling at DC, like if Supergero comes out
and it's good, Clay Face comes out and it's good,
and then eventually Wonder Woman comes out and it's good,
don't be surprised that Cavil comes back, an athlete comes

(32:10):
back in different roles. Now, the affle Like thing is
interesting because if Athlet comes back, remember Affleck had been
planning a Batman movie. Now we know his films are
usually dramatic The Town Gone, Baby Gone, What was it?

(32:33):
I forget the one that didn't do so well with
the l Fanning, but his films are much more dramatic
films Ben Affleck when hesrects, but he does have comedic sensibilities,
as you saw in Kevin Smith's films.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
As you've seen in other comedies.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
So wouldn't it be interesting instead of Andy Mushietti you
bring back Ben affleckt a Affleck to direct the Brave
in the Bold. I think that would be incredibly interested.
He would be able to hit the right tone, having
studied Batman for so long played him. I think that

(33:13):
would excite fans like crazy. I think it would fuck
some of the hardcore Snyder brows up in the head.
And I think it would go a long way to
kind of smoothing the divisions that are happening now.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I'm not saying he should do that.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
You should find the director he thinks can deliver the
vision that he wants to executive produce. If they're even
still doing Brave in the Bold, which he claims are
still working on the script. But I think it would
be incredible if it was Ben Affleck coming back to
direct the Brave in the Bold, and I think it would.

(33:50):
I think people would love that. I do. I think
people would love that. You know, I don't see gal
Gadote necessarily coming back. I don't see Asa Miller coming.
But Jason Momoa is already coming back, right, Jason Momoa,
who was Aquaman, is coming back as Lobo and Supergirl.
So there is precedent for the Zack Snyder actors to

(34:13):
come back into James Guns DC universe, to play different
characters or to have different duties possible, So I think
that would be incredible. As for who cavill could be playing,
Ryan britt Over at Men's Journal when I was doing
research for the.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Show today, I had a couple of hilarious suggestions.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Hilarious I don't mean negatively hilarious, I mean like it
could be interesting in a funny way. He said. The
most hilarious move would be to hire cavill as the
new DCU version of Batman Slash Bruce Wayne. Though I
don't think that would happen, I think people would excite
about it. He could play Brainiac or even dark Side.

(34:55):
Henry cavill is dark Side. Can you imagine that that
could be fun? Although I do think people are really
precious about cavalist Superman, so I think fans would be
upset about that there are other Kryptonians, though that Cavill
could play. If James Gunn wanted to do storylines about
the Bottle City of Candor, which is a shrunken part

(35:15):
of Krypton that Superman sometimes keeps in the Fortress of Solitude,
Cavell could play the Kryptonian hero van Z, a cousin
of Superman who has superhero identity, who has a superhero
identity known as Nightwing. Now that might get confusing if
you do a Batman and Robin and Dick Grayson becomes
night Wing, so it could get confusing, but that's a
possibility as well. So I think it's exciting to think

(35:38):
that Cavell could come back.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
I love that James is open to.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
The idea, to be honest with you, when I hope
Cavell is open to the idea, because I mean, Highlander,
no offense that isn't gonna, you know, excite too many people.
Maybe the Warhammer project is great, I don't know. The
video game adaptations have gotten better, for sure, but that
doesn't necessarily mean it's going to do well, but it

(36:02):
would be great to have him back. And again, if
you open the door to Ben Affleck coming back to
direct a brave and bold I would be very excited
to see that. You know what, I was his mat
Affleck drinking brave in the ball with possibly brandon' Skelenor's
dcu's batman would be money.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, I don't. I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Kellerin, who is a personal friend of Henry cavill and
has hung out with him all the time, goes out
to drinks and dinner and on the weekends he can
tell you unabashedly that Cavell won't be back. So Kellerin
would know everybody. Kellerin binks, Oh, yankee, that's a great idea.
Cavell is O'Ryan. Remember these are actors people, Okay. They

(36:49):
don't live in your precious little bubbles and in your
on your shelves with your figurines I have back here.
They don't live in that world. Okay. They're about working
and making money, and they are not as precious about
these projects as you think they're not. They may outwardly
say all that in the interviews and what have you,
and they have to, but they are not as precious

(37:12):
about this stuff as they lead you to believe all
the time. And I think if the right situation came
up with Cavell, I think Cavell would absolutely come back
to play a role in the DC universe. It would
have to make sense. But you need Cavill to establish
this really general positivity around the DC universe. So when

(37:32):
they these people come back and nothing, I know if
as Momo, Mamo is not a caval stature nor an
Affleck stature, but you know, Momo is good for what
he does, and clearly he puts butts in seats because
Batman obvious sorry Aquaman two way overperformed. So to me,
that's exciting. I like that idea that the doors are open.

(37:56):
I don't think the doors are open for Gal quite
in the same way. And I know because two reasons. One,
I don't think Gal's that strong an actress. I don't
think Gun would definitely be excited.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
To cast her.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
And second, she tried to hard play hardball with Gun
with those comments and said, well, Gunn told me that
we were working on a wonder Woman through I was
told by Gun and Saffron we were going and those
two have denied that, So to me, that was her
trying to force a new person coming in to take
over a universe to keep her as wonder Woman. A

(38:30):
because she loved playing the character, and B because this
is probably the biggest character she's ever going to play
and the biggest stage she's ever going to have with
her limited talent to show what she can do and
to get a lot of money for what she does
as an actress. So I don't think we'll see her back,

(38:50):
but I'm putting this out there right now. I think
Cavill coming back is a very real possibility, and I
think Aflight coming back. I mean the way you saw
the brave and bold situation. In my opinion, because I
don't think Machierti should do it, is that you and
I said he wasn't gonna do it over a year ago.
I was my scoop. I think Ben Affleck coming back

(39:12):
to director wants the script this hammer out. Remember he
won't reveal who's writing the script. I know that Jeff
thinks Joss Whedon could be a possibility because Jeff loves
to uncancel everybody, and I love Jeff, but I don't
believe in that. But that's Jeff, not that anybody was canceled, right,
because people don't want to work with you. You weren't canceled.
It's because they don't want to work with you. That's
how it works. So bringing Joss Whedon back from uncancellation,

(39:38):
I suppose is a possibility. I think that would suck. Actually,
if you're putting, if you're having all this positive energy
around your universe. But if Afleck is writing the script
for Braving the Bold, like low key behind the scenes
with James, and then they're gonn announce he's directing it,
that'd be fucking gold, hundred percent gold. I'm telling you,

(40:01):
I think people would be so excited. I think we
would love it. And then who else to pick a
good Batman than someone who played Batman? So to me,
that's exciting to consider and to look at in this situation.
So I'm drinking my protein shake, yoll. This is some

(40:26):
of the stuff that's helped me get down forty pounds,
is these protein shakes in between my meals. A quest
is does I'm not I'm not doing it. I don't.
They don't pay me nothing. I'm just saying the salted
caramel protein shakes fantastic, because some of these protein shakes
are just got awful. They are like drinking liquid sand

(40:48):
or sand paper. So but the Quest stuff they do
great stuff. Their vanilla is good. Their salted caramel is good.
I might try their coffee one. The chocolate one not
that strong, not that good actually, but the other ones
are actually. Oh way, there's strawberry milkshake. Protein milkshake is excellent, excellent.

(41:10):
Stuff was one yeah, one gram of sugar total, thirty
grams of protein, only three grams of carbs. So it's
been and it's filling in between meals. So just throwing
that out there. Uh, George says, you need a big
name for Batman. I don't know. I don't know. Hello,

(41:35):
all right, one last drink and then we're done. All right,
thanks for putting up with that, y'all. I gotta drink
those at certain times, so I was running a little
late today. All right. Let's see here is that all
the cable stuff? Yeah, things, all the cabals. So let's

(41:56):
move on to the Batman stuff. As I was saying
with Affleck, believe in the bull. But this is interesting too,
if you watch the video. Look, I don't have the
rights to the video, so I can't put it up here.
A Christian can put it up on capes and Cowe's
or part of it because Horowitz is his boy, and
so Horowitz is not going to put a strike on
his channel. I didn't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I didn't want to take a chance because some of.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
These creators can be quite itchy with their trigger figures
without knowing who you connected to, who you're friends with,
to put a strike on stuff or a copyright strike.
So let's deal with this. Alan Richson is Batman. I
know a lot of people have been clamoring for this.
I am not one of the people that's been clamoring
for this because I don't. I like Alan Richson for
what he does, but I don't see him as you know,

(42:42):
as the level of Robert Pattinson and other actors who've
played Batman, including Ben Affleck. But he was asked on
this same Happy Sad, Confused podcast with Josh Horowitz about
his consideration over making over having Alan Richon play Batman.

(43:02):
He was asked, what do you think about the fans
that talk about someone like Alan Richson gunn? He hesitated
and then responded and said, I am a big Alan
Richson fan, both as an actor and a guy. I
just wait and see what happened. So that's fascinating. I

(43:24):
just wait and see what happens. So and his hesitation,
So if you watch the video, he is clearly politically
answering the question right because he doesn't want to give
anything away. But the hesitation could could have given away
that they are maybe considering the possibility of Alan.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Richson as Batman in The Brave of the World.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
And I'll tell you why, because Alan Richson can play comedy.
As you saw it was a Blue Mountain State. There
are comedic moments in Reacher. Even though rich is a
pretty brutal show, there are situations, humor moments that he
plays really well. So if you're going with a lighter
Batman that is able to have these moments with Superman

(44:11):
a World's Finest where they're both still badasses but cracking
jokes or making James Gun type humor, then I think
it's very possible that now Alan Richon has stepped into
the arena in a more believable way than I had
thought in the past. So I could totally see Alan

(44:32):
Richson being the Batman from the Brave and the Bold approach,
which is, you know a Batman that has connections with
like the Adam West Batman. Not that it's as cheesy
as they or camp be as the Adam West Batman,
but it's not as serious as Robert Pattinson's Batman or
the Dark Knight returns.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Right, it's a different Batman.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
So I could absolutely see Alan Richson playing Batman and
the Brave of Ball. The question is, if I go
with my Ben Affleck theory, does Ben Affleck think Alan
Richon is the guy to play Batman in his version
of the Brave of the Bolt. I don't know it
could work. Those two dudes are meaty dudes. They've been
through the wars of stuff and I and both of

(45:15):
them have good serious and comedic sensibilities, so I think
it's very possible. And how old is Alan rich Could
he have a kid, because he looks he looks certainly
looks decidedly older than Robert Pattinson, although Pattinson is getting
up there, right, So let me see here Alan Richson? Uh,
where is it? Alan Richson is six to three, which

(45:38):
you fill out the thing? He is forty two, right,
a forty two year old man can have a ten
twelve year old son, right, Robert Pattinson is thirty nine,
so not that difference, not that much difference, but the look. Certainly,
Alan Richson looks older than Robert Pattinson, so I could
totally see that as a possibility. So I'm basically saying

(46:00):
I had been kind of on the fence about this possibility.
I think now I'm more in more believing that it's
a possibility because of the approach that James might be
taken with Brave of the Bold, Like he wants to
have actors. I think he wants to have actors. And

(46:21):
I know he said, like, not every film is going
to have what can you say, not the same kind
of humor, right, like Playface is not going to have
the same kind of the humor. Well, of course that's
a horror film, or so he says, it's a horror
film and what have you. But there is going to
be a general overall vibe when they come together, because
I think James Gunn is going to direct the Justice

(46:42):
League movie, possibly the world's finest movie, and so that's
going to be interesting to see how that comes to fruition.
But I think that's very possible that he would do
a Brave of the Ball with el Ris and as Batman,
I don't think he would do the Batman with Alan Richson.
I don't think that Batman would be the Matt Reeves Batman.
So I'm just really surprised the fact that he hesitated

(47:03):
and politically answered the question. That to me tells me
that there is a consideration here going on behind the
scenes at all the possible bat Men that they are
looking at for this Brave of the Bolt if they
go forward with Brave of the Bold. And if you
watched the most recent episode of The Geek Buddies, Michael
Vogel asked us the question me and Shannon about and

(47:25):
answered it himself as well about whether we thought Robert
Pattinson fit into the James Guns DC universe now, and
I answered in the affirmative after seeing Superman a couple
of times like Superman has some darkness in it. Lex
Luthor shoot some motherfucker dead. Lex Luthor is taking children

(47:46):
from their parents and having them be held in separate
cages so they can be close to their children and
be unable to touch and hug their children. That is
torture and forcing one of them to try to destroy
one of the most powerful people on the planet. He's
also sticking his girlfriend in a cage and reporters for

(48:07):
writing negative things about him, like he's an angry, frustrated,
emotional man child who is quite capable of murder. So
that film is much darker than people are saying, like
they're like, oh, it's goofy, it's loopy, it's funny, it's
you know, jokes, yes, but they're serious shit going on
at certain times in that movie. I mean that there's
a civil war going on between two knessi wars, a

(48:29):
war between two countries where one is like, technologically not
that proficient and one has an entire war machine behind them,
and that's scary. So just saying there's more to that
than you think. And at the end of the Batman
Part one, remember it ends with him realizing that he
has to be a part of society more, that he

(48:51):
can't sit around and brood and be negative and you know,
moody and put black eyeliner and paint his nails black
and all that he has to play a hand in
humanity if he wants to save the city, he has
to actually care about people. From Gotham, and I don't
think it's a coincidence that the film ends with the
son coming up with Catwoman and him separating with him smiling.

(49:17):
I don't think that film ends that way unless you're
saying that you're opening the door to a much more
hopeful Batman. So that Batman if they wanted to go
with Pattinson, I think it's more believable now than it
was before I saw Superman. So to me, I think
it's very possible to go that route. And when he

(49:38):
was asked about it by Josh Horowitz, he said, I've
contemplated it. Yeah, I contemplate everything. I talk about everything.
But I'm committed to both telling stories in the DCU
and telling else world stories. I want the freedom to
tell else World stories. And then he mentioned that he
doesn't want to want to not be able to app

(50:00):
Superman Red Sun simply because it wouldn't work within the
confines of the DCU. So, as I said to you,
James wants control of it all right, he wants There
was no way he was going to be okay with
the Luca and Abdy having an Elseworld's universe that was
competing with his main universe. There's no fucking way James

(50:21):
would have been frustrated by that. And I think he's
happier now because he's in control of what stories get told.
He's in control in essence of what else world stories
get told. This is why Matt Reeves has to submit
the script to James Gunn. So there's a different approach,
and so that's what you see here with this situation.

(50:42):
So I'm happy that he's open to everything. But people
should prepare themselves that it's James Gunn is going to
choose what else world stories get told. It is not
going to be like some producer going over James or
some creator going over James Gun's head is going is
going to Luca and Abdey or Zadlavi going, you know,
I need to get this man and I want to
do it, and they're going to force James to do it.

(51:03):
That's not going to happen. So and I'm not surprised
that he contemplated. Sure, James is a thinker. He says
that in the interview I'm talking about Superman like, he
initially rejected it and then spent time mulling it over
and thinking about how he would do it that eventually
came around and did commit to doing it. So yeah,
so that's the situation there with the Batman. So we're

(51:24):
still very much in the dark for the most part,
but I think there's a little bit of light when
you think about how he answered the Allan Richson situation
and the fact that he's contemplated Pattinson and after having
seen Superman, I think it's much more possible again than
I thought. And this was his final quote on it.
I think in the interview it's dictated by the material

(51:45):
and the take. When you're talking about Batman, actors, you know,
actors aren't important and he laughs, Do I ever think
about it? Sure, there's people out there I think about,
but let's see where the script comes in. It's not
the furthest along thing. We have things that are much
further along than that. So we're not going to be
seeing a Batman movie for a bit, he was saying.
He's basically saying that we are not going to be

(52:07):
seeing a Batman movie for a bit. There are other
things that are much further along than that. From what
I understand, it's only super Girl, which is ready to
come out. Uh, Clay faced lanterns and creature commandos too,
So is there a World's Finest that's being worked on?
That seems to me like where they're going is that
World's Finest is first. Maybe we'll get a Batman in clayface,

(52:31):
which I still think is a bad idea too. If
they show his face to low key introducer Batman in
a horror movie forty million dollars horror movie, I think
is a bad mistake, but maybe it works. Maybe it'll work.
I just don't like it. And then maybe World's Finest
is what he's doing, and from World's Finest will launch
the brave and the bold. So the fact that he says,

(52:54):
you know there's people out there, but let's see where
the script comes in. So he's waiting for the script
first before deciding who to cast as the Batman. So
I don't I feel like we're less even though I
think it's more possible if you were to combine Pattinson
into d C to gain James gunns DCU, I think
we're probably farther farther away from it happening than we

(53:16):
were before the movie came out. Ironically, because I think
James now has some cachet to be like, no, I'm
not gonna put him in the film. I want my
own Batman, which is a lot of a lot of us.
It's speculated for quite some time. So this is, uh,
this is.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
The way I look at the situation.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
All right. So let's move on to Wonder Woman and
his comments on Wonder Woman, and you know some people
were there were reports, uh Tatiana Siegell over at Variety report.
We talked about earlier this week both with the Hot
Mic and the geek Buddies that Tatiana Siegul said a
Variety that they were fast tracking a wonder Woman movie.
And then I think a couple of days ago, my

(53:54):
brother Umberto Gonzalez over at the Rap said that they
are looking at at a at actresses with strong TV
centric resumes like Millie Alcock. And of course this said
everybody going like, oh, Adrir Jonah, it seems to where
they're going. And there's even rumors today I think that
Adrir Jonah is in talks to play Wonder Woman. But

(54:19):
James addressed the Wonder Woman thing in on threads because
of course he can't stay away from social media. This
is what he said to one of these home of
DC who I think I've gone back and forth with
on on social media. Is it true that the Wonder
Woman film is being fast tracked? Per Variety, and James responded,
it's a priority, But I wouldn't call that fast tracked.
Nothing is going to be shonless. We're as sure as

(54:40):
we can be that the script is good. This has
been the drum beat quote from his Nothing's gonna happen
till the script is good. So he's saying it's a priority,
not fast track. That's like splitting hairs. Honestly, I think
it's splitting hairs. But then when he was asked further also,
by the way, is this true? Is Wonder wom being
cast right now? Right? Speculating what was put on the

(55:04):
table here from uh Who's it? DCU Film news is
that in casting the role of Wonder Woman, DC Studios
is reportedly seeking an actress with the TV centric resume,
akin to Supergirl's Mini Alcock. The source is el My Inbez.
I said Toberta Gonzalez, there the outside school. Now. James
responded and says, nope, And I'd never in a million

(55:26):
years look for a major role based on whether they
did TV films or whatever. It's all about the casting.
I didn't cast Millie because of her past, but because
she was the best one for the role. But we're
also not casting Wonder Woman, nor even discussing it until
the script is finished. So what's the truth here? I

(55:48):
think I think you'd be absolutely foolish to think that
they haven't already kind of low key reached.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Out to a certain to a certain amount of people.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
I think the truth is that they have absolute had
a conversation with some people through agents, through managers, through friends,
through assistance. Hey, if we go this route, would your
client be interested? And what are you what would you
need to have her be committed to do it? And

(56:18):
so I think they've definitely had those conversations. Do I
think that it's full on in motion and they're ready
to announce it. Not yet, but I think it's certainly possible,
and I think it's very clear that they have certain
people in mind. And listen, you guys, can you know
Koran Sweat was a name that had been Remember Korn
Sweat was a name that was leaked. So scoopers aren't

(56:41):
always wrong. They may not always get right the person
who's selected, but when they come at you with a
number of people. I think Jeff's the one that broke
the names some of the names that were mentioned for
Superman Chorance, what was one of them? Then you know
they're not wrong. So the fact that our Jonah has
been mentioned by number of Scoopers and even rumors over

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the weekend that they might be in talks with her,
I think James can say what he likes about. Wow,
we're not fast I went away for the script. That's
all Hollywood gobbledegook to say, like, you know, we're getting
ourselves time, because no one's gonna give a shit that
you said you weren't going to fast track it and
then you announce it tomorrow. If you announce that you

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have a really good director on board, a great script,
and a fantastic actress that people are excited to see,
no one's going to give a shit. He knows that.
So him playing the whole, the whole like, wait, well,
we'll waiting a little bit. We got to see what
the script is. Haven't cast him, We're not not casting it,
and then we're not we're not casting it. So he's
the fact that he's playing all all the angles here,

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all right, playing all the sides on this is not
surprising at all. And I do think our Jonah is
in play one hundred I think, And I'm not in
any way going out on a limb like everyone's been
saying that. Uh. And the possibility is that it could
be someone with a TV centric resume who's got some
strong credentials to them and can carry this role strongly

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and brings that a built in audience from that TV
stuff they've done into the equation. And remember, you've got
to have a wonder woman that can fit in the
James Gun universe, and Superman is the James Gun universe.
I want to make this really really clear. Other films
may come out that have different tones, different vibes, as

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he said about Clayface, but if he's going to bring
people into his Justice League, those films are going to
have to have a certain James gunness to them, that
element of humor mixed with serious stakes or big stakes.

(58:53):
And I think that's very possible. So you've got to
cast a wonder woman that can hang with the humor
and the seriousness at the same time, who feels badass
but also feels relatable and connectable, like cornsweat did right.
I mean, he said in one of the interviews this
week talking about Superman. He didn't want to make Superman undefeatable.

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He wanted to give him vulnerabilities. He likes his characters
to have vulnerabilities, right. He likes his characters to be
lovable losers who become people you care about by the
end of his movies. And I was reverse with Superman
because he was someone who cared about the beginning and
then slowly, maturely you saw the cracks and Superman who
he was, and then eventually re embraced him by the
end of the movie. It loved him for that. So

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I think that's the very real possibility. So when you're
looking at these actresses and you're looking at these actors,
you got to say to yourself, well, can this person
do comedy as well as drama? Can they fit within
the universe that James is trying to tell. And I
have not seen Adria do comedy, and that may be

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my fault. Maybe there's stuff that she's been in that
were comedic and I haven't catched it, so I don't
know if she can do it. Some of the other
names they floated out, Who's ISAA Gonzalez. I don't know
that ISAA Gonzales moves the needle that much. To be
honest with you, I liked it. I think she was

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damn good in Ministry of ungentlemanly warfare. I think she
was okay in a baby Driver, but she was much
better for me and ministry of and gentlemanly warfare. So sure, maybe,
but I think you want someone that when you see them,
you go, oh yeah, oh hell, yeah, that's wonder woman.

(01:00:42):
Fuck yeah, and even more exciting would be oh shit,
I didn't even think about that. They're perfect. Jesus, They're perfect.
So yeah. I see some people saying prefer if they
kept her Mediterranean. I don't know if that's possible. I
see seeing some people suggesting Jessica Green, Melissa Brera. You
can forget that suggestion. There's no way James is doing that.

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Even though some people contend that Superman is a pro Palestine,
anti Israel movement, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Guess you could make that case.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I personally, yeah, I don't see it that way, but
because it's just some it feels to me more like
Poland versus the Nazis. If you guys remember that history,
Poland came out to fight the Nazis and like completely
outdated equipment and outdated warfare stuff and got absolutely mowed
down because the modern the Nazis had a much more

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modern weaponry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
But I guess you could make the case if you
wanted to, But I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Doubt he would go the most hey, because I don't
think Melissa's that strong of an actress. And b I
don't think he wants to court that kind of controversy
right off the bat. I think he wants to keep
it subtle. Like, I mean, it was overt what was
happening in the movie, but he wasn't Like it wasn't
It wasn't really clear that this is issue versus potime.

(01:02:03):
Now for some of you, maybe it was clear, but
I think for a majority of people it wasn't. Run
to Rowsey, get out of here. Run to Rowsey, get
out of here. That's nonsense. Monica Barbarrow, I love that idea.
I gotta say, I like the Edger Jones idea, but
I love the Monica Barbara idea much much more. Who's

(01:02:26):
suggesting that I eat my moot? Uh? Monica Barbarro, I
like that. I mean, having seen her in top Gun,
go toe to tote with Tom Cruise, fuu bar, going
to tote with Schwarzenegger, and and in a complete unknown
delivering an incredible performances. Joe Bias made me care about

(01:02:46):
John Bias more than the actual Joe Bias made me
care about Joe biaz Uh. I think she's an incredible talent, statuesque, strong, confident,
not overt in her femininity or in her strength. It's
just there. It's just a matter of fact. And I
think she'd be a fantastic one to one And I

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think she'd go tote with corn Sweat and go tote
with whoever they cast as Batman, maybe Alan Richson. That
could be a lot of fun. So to me, that's listen.
I'd love to see Adria do because I love Adre.
I think she's amazing. But when I look at Adria
versus who's smaller, and versus Barbara, who I think radios taller,
I just think Barbaro is the better choice in my opinion.

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But again, I got nothing against ad R Jonah, Katie O'Brien.
I don't think Katy O'Brien is the choice either. I
don't think she's as developed as an actress, although I
mean people like Love Lives Bleeding, So I'm speaking from
a little bit of ignorance because I haven't seen that movie.
Maybe she's damn good in that movie. The stuff i've
seen her in a little limited so maybe I need

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to see Love Lives as Bleeding. But I don't think
she radiates that Wonder Woman energy. She radios Amazonian energy,
for sure, but I don't think Wonder Woman if necessarily
no Aubrey Plaza, no, come on, Smithy, cut it out.
One of them must be taller than Monica. She doesn't
have to be taller than anything. It's all about staging
wall I was tall, I was tall. How tall is Monica.

(01:04:17):
Let's see her heights. She is five to seven? Oh shit,
all right, well then how I think our Adria is
like five seven? Right? Oh? No, say it's five to seven,
so they're both the same height. I don't know something
about her radiates taller, So all right, interesting stuff. I

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don't necessarily think she needs to be taller because most
everybody in Hollywood is small. But Cornswent is six feet tall,
but you can handle that. Katie O'Brien is five to seven.
Uh oh, Jessica Green, Jessica Green. Some people said, Jessica Green,
she's fine, she's even smaller. What about Maya Kalama Way,

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I like her as a possibility. She's five seven, So
I don't think you're gonna find many six feet actresses
who are going to come in to play Wonder Woman.
To be honest, I don't know that there are many. Oh
to Becky, Yeah, I don't know. She is so white,

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Like I think you do want to go a little
ethnic with Wonder Woman, all right, she's six to two
thirty four years old. Uh yeah, maybe, I mean she's
a good actress, saying no, denying that Becky's a good actress.
She's already played a villain in the Guardians of the

(01:05:47):
Galaxy film or two films. Rather so, I guess, but
I think you've got to go with someone who is
I think you have to go with an ethnic person, right,
People like Wonder Woman is white. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
she's Greek. She's not white white, she's a wasp. There's
a difference. So I think that I think that's a possibility.

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Stephanie says, white is ulfinity. Of course, white is also
an ethnicity. It's the predominant ethnicity in certain countries and
so no, but I think you have to have a
little bit of color right in the Justice League. Don't
think you can just go with all white people. I
think you have to have a little bit of color there.
And I just don't think that to Becky is necessarily

(01:06:35):
the right choice for wonder One. I think to Becky
could play a good villain in the DC universe. I
just don't know that she'd necessarily be the right choice. Yeah,
Rolph says, every day, I'm seeing Georgian has great options.
She's got a great physicality. She does. I'm not saying
she shouldn't be I'm just saying I kind of see

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Barbaro more just for her talent and her slender, tall physique. Well,
I won't to say the slender, I mean just she
just radiates that kind of wonder woman energy. So doesn't
mean another Roe with Asia or Jonah. Let you say
that right now. But yeah, I mean so that's that's

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the thoughts I have with that. But clearly James is
saying that things like hold on, we're gonna wait for
a scrape, don't rush you, so we'll see what happens
with that. We got a little more James Gun news
to finish off this thing. Who's talking about lanterns and
about the grounded approach with lanterns. I think this is
an interesting quote. We're looking forward to this coming out.
It's intended to be released around the same time the

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Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow, which makes me think that they
will cameo in that in some way or something that
had something with lanterns will be connected to Supergirl because
Supergirl's out in space. Even though this is going to
be grounded. A Gun was asked what he meant by grounded,
whether or not this means that audiences see Hal and
John Dawning todditional super hair costumes Jon Stewart. He said, well,

(01:08:03):
I don't want to give away all that stuff. I
think grounded just like if green lanterns were real, what
the f would they be and how would they be?
I was thinking about it the other morning. The thing
that keeps getting out is that it's a terrestrial story,
and I'm like, yeah, because it's on Earth. The story
takes place on Earth. Everybody is like, we don't want
to see Earth. They're from outer space. They fly with rings.
I'm like, yeah, there are on Earth for the story.

(01:08:23):
Like most Green Lanterns stories, they're terrestrial bound. It's not
an outer space. It's not an outer space. We don't
have a thousand green lanterns or any of that stuff.
So there's no green lantern core. It seems like what
he's saying, we don't have a thousand green lanterns or
any of that stuff. It's a grounded story that's being
told through another lens in a way that's really it's
an HBO series, and it's going to be an HBO series.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I'm happy with that, and I love the script.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
So he stopped himself from saying too much because he
probably already said too much by saying, yeah, we're not
going into space. There's not going to be a lot
of green lanterns in this, and the story is definitely
grounded because it's an HBO series. There have been rumors
that have come out that HBO has been turning down
some of these DC suggestions for shows to be on

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their streaming service because HBO has a certain HBO Max
I guess has a certain level of quality that they
like to put up as their main shows. Like The
Penguin qualified for that. I imagine lanterns qualifies for that,
and I think I think that Luca and Abdy are
more in charge of that as well. So this may
be another echo of the possible passive aggressive feud between

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the two of them that I think is happening. But
I'm okay with this. I don't need to see Green
Lantern like flying. How many times did Green Lantern flying
to space? And Superman he didn't, you know, he used
his ring. But it was an earthbound story, you know.
Yeah there were kai Jews, yes there were things of
that nature, but like, it's an earth bound story. So
I think it's gonna work just fine. And if you

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want to see the Guardians of Oha and you want
to see all the other lanterns, I think that's for
down the road. Again. You don't want to blow your
entire wad right off the bat. You want to if
you have confidence and this supposed ten year plan copyrighted
by Kevin Figi, then you want to make sure you
are laying the seeds for stuff that's coming, getting the
audience excited, but delivering good products so the audience keeps

(01:10:18):
sticking around to see what you got. So not only
do you have to lay a little bit of mystery
so they stick around. You also have to deliver good quality.
And the way you do good quality is you understand
the limits of the project that you're doing. Right, Okay, Lanterns,
we we're gonna do this. We'll keep it great, earth bound.
We're not gonna spend like a billion dollars to make
this show or half a million dollars or five hundred

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millions rather than have a million dollars to make this show,
or we got to keep it chill. We're gonna cast
good actors, deliver complex performances, layered performances, and we want
to get attention for the DC universe to show we
can do more than just the fun, playful nature of Superman,
even though there is some darkness in that. We can
also do this kind of stuff, more serious, fair when

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we need so. I think that's a very real possibility
for what's going on here. And I liked it. I
liked what he had to say. He did give an
interview with Oh Yeah Oh. He also spoke about other
directors that he wants to bring into the DCU, and
he mentioned Ryan Coogler again, and he mentioned Matt Reeves,

(01:11:24):
which you're like, you want to bring him into the
DCU matt Reeves. Matt Reeves is already doing stuff in
the dc maybe not the DCU. I would be shocked
if matt Reeves goes under James Gunn's authority to go
and do something in the DCU. I'd be very surprised

(01:11:44):
by that. And then he mentioned Greta Gerwig. I think
Greta Gerwig doing a wonder Woman movie would be really interesting,
especially considering what to do with Barbie. I think they
could be fascinating. Not that I know that Gretit could
do action, but you never know. He said. I love
the people that are out there making pop movies that
are still They're making big movies that still have themselves
in it. So I really love people that are taking

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risks in the area of spectacle film, because most of
the stuff out there is not a risk. He went
on to say that quote big popcorn movies are too
often boring when they feel like they're all too similar
to another to each other. He goes, I love disposable stuff,
but let's make it good disposable. I love big popcorn movies,

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but it just gets to be boring when they're all
the same. And of course, this isn't the only time
he's talked about Coogler. He mentioned the Coogler recently to
reflect on the Black Panther premiere and the excitement over
the film. So I think it's very possible they get
Coogler in the DC universe once he finishes up what

(01:12:48):
he has to do with Black Panther. I mean, listen,
a Ryan Kugler directing Justice League movie. That would send
me into the stratosphere. I mean, I was thinking too
small with him executive producing a U a mister terrific series,
and maybe he does that too, But if you're not

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gonna have James direct Justice League, and certainly he has
a lot of respect for Coogler, mentioning multiple times, I
mean Ryan Coogler directed, executive produced, co written with James Gunn,
Justice League. That's putting your balls out there, for lack
of a better term, that's a fucking power move. Honestly,
and as I have always said and suspect this kind

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of rivalry between Figie and Gunn, what would like establish
your power or the dynasm, the shifting of the dynamics
and power then grabbing one of his crown jewels from
his side of the fence and bring him over to
your side of the fens. That could be interesting. I'd
be down with it all right. Then. Talking to Colby

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Canada in the New York Times, he was talking about Superman.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
He was talking about Lex Luthor.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
And when talking about Superman, it says, eventually you did
decide to work on Superman, but this was before you
took over DC Studios. Once you accept the studio gig,
did the way you conceive the film change? He said, no,
it didn't change. It just became more important and carried
more pressure. It was one of the hardest times of
my life because I wrote Superman and then I did
everything I could to finish writing Peacemaker. Before I started
heavy pre production Superman. We went away from New Year's

(01:14:23):
Eve to Hawaii with all of our friends. I literally
just sat in the hotel room the whole time writing Peacemaker.
Jen Jennifer Holland was like, you've got to come out.
I'm like, do you want me to make your TV
show or not? What did you anticipate in the studio gig,
We'd be like, asking about taking over DC said, I
knew it was going to be rough going in the
early stages. For a while, I tried to sit in
on all the meetings and things like that, and it

(01:14:44):
killed my creative brain. It does not suit me. So
I had to go to David Zaslov and say, listen,
I'm so busy all the time trying to create this stuff,
and I work weird hours, especially when I'm writing. My
brain is a total mess, and it just kills me
going through these things. Luckily understood that. So now Peter
jumps on that grenade for me and I. Look, we
said that from the beginning, Jeff and I even when
I floated the idea, not even thinking it was going

(01:15:05):
to happen the James gun stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I floated that idea and it came to.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Fruition, right. But we both felt that James gun is
not going to sit in there deciding what goes in
the parks at DC or what the campaign of this
stuff is in terms like well use this on the
lunchboxes and use this in the in the sandwiches and
the like. It's just not That's not James gunn. He's
a creative and so it was smart to hire him

(01:15:30):
and Peter Saffron because then Saffron handles all that stuff,
and James probably has implicit trust in Saffron to make
the right moves here. And if anything happens between these guys,
it'll be because Saffron made a move that James didn't like,
and they've said that they've had disagreements in the past,
but it'll be something pretty big that will end up
kind of undercutting James at some point down the road

(01:15:52):
if that happens. But yeah, I'm James is never gonna
be well. So when you say he runs the d
SEE Studios, he's running the creative side of things. He
is not running fully running DC Studios, right, And him
and Peter Saffron, it has to be clear they are
the co runners of the situation, and I think he

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overrides Peter. I think he's given a couple cltes recently
where he said, like, Peter didn't like it, but I
did it anyway. So it's very clear that he when
it comes to creative side of things, he is in
control of that. Peter is much more in control of
the business side of things, the minutia of being a
studio ahead and all you have to do with the brands.
That makes all the sense. And when talking about Luthor.

(01:16:34):
He says, one person who decidely doesn't need Superman's Lex Luthor.
I was surprised at first that he was. He has
so many people working with him who agree that Superman
should be killed. That's what Kyley Cannon asked and James said.
But also, imagine if an alien came to our planet.
If you don't think people would think we've got to
kill that guy, there would definitely be a faction of
people that are like, this is a total danger. I
don't trust that guy. Yeah, we see that now in

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Lex's case, and I love the character of Lex. He
is somebody who is the smartest person in the world.
Then this guy comes along wearing a clown costume to
in Lex's point of view, who's incredibly handsome and has
a cocky grin. Suddenly this guy's the greatest guy in
the world. It's not Lex Luthor, it's Superman. And Luthor
took that and rationalize that he's protecting humanity because he's
going to kill this guy, and that is jealousy is

(01:17:18):
a god given calling to do something. He's just totally
manipulated the way his feelings work to rationalize his ill behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
But I also get it. He doesn't want to be obsolete.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
Now, I think this is a really strong commentary when
you look at the lex Luthor this line here, he's
totally Luthor took that and rationalized that he's protecting humanity
because he's going to kill this guy, and that is
jealousy is a god given calling to do something. He's
just totally manipulated the way his feelings work to rationalize
his ill behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
But I also get it he doesn't want to become obsolete.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
I think it's a very important comment because I think
this is where he based lex Luthor on what's going
on in our world today. I think the mag of
movement came to be because people felt that they were
tired of.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Being blamed for stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
They didn't want to accept the responsibility of it anymore,
and they lashed out. They were frustrated with their lives.
They needed a boogeyman to blame, and they needed someone
to come in and say, well, God is with me.
I have religion. The evangelical leaders.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
It's okay for you to be racist, it's okay for
you to be sexist, it's okay for you to tell
the jokes at other people's expenses that you want to
tell mentally handicapped jokes, lgbtqbulist jokes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
All of this stuff. That's what he said. And they
rationalize this. And what they're doing to immigrants now is
you see them rounding them up and putting them in
pseudo concentration camps, all because they're trying to clean up
the country from the criminals. Never mind that, like what
it's only like ten to fifteen percent of the people
they've actually arrested are criminals. But it's this thing and

(01:18:59):
everything always has the God stuff above it. All these
people are like God has chosen Trump. God saved Trump
from that assassination attempt and saved his ear and all
of this nonsense, because he's got to save our country.
It's the same thing that he's talking about here, right,
He's going to kill he is. Jealousy is a god
giving calling to do something. And he said people would

(01:19:22):
if they saw an alien come in, they would question it.
They've got to kill that guy. And a significant part
of people would see this belief we have that if
Superman showed up, we have a society, we would be like,
thanks for being here. Is nonsense. Clearly from what we
see in our world today, a large majority of people
would not be happy with a foreign alien from another

(01:19:44):
planet coming down to protect our country and relying on
that person, because there would be healthy skepticism on both sides.
What happens if Superman turns mega? What happens if super
Mango's ultraliberal like it'll be? It would be absolutely if
he's this powerful where not even nuclear weapons can do

(01:20:06):
a full amount of damage on the guy, it would
obviously cause skepticism because human beings are naturally scared skeptical people,
And if you see things that are overwhelming, intimidating, powerful,
there is a feeling that you feel like it's going
to come after you at something. So I think this
is an important thing in the way he's saying it.

(01:20:27):
The fact that Luther took this rationalized in his mind,
which I think a lot of people do, using God
to claim that they are God given or God's sent er,
that God is speaking to them and all of that.
He manipulated the way his feelings work to rationalize the baby,
and that's what people do. Sometimes people take the thing, well, well,
this must be the right thing to do, and the
things I'm doing are okay. Because the overall purpose is

(01:20:51):
to this, is to clean the country, is to arrest
all the criminals who are supposedly raping everybody and killing everybody,
which is such a small percentage. Whatever, Well, we have
to do this because we are God's chosen people. God
has chosen America. Therefore we are okay to do these
kinds of horrible things to human beings, to God's creatures

(01:21:14):
because they crossed some imaginary line quote unquote illegally, we
are okay to do that. And I think that's the
dangerous thing that we're seeing happening. And so I think
this is an interesting way to look at it. And
he doesn't want to be obsolete. And I know there
were a lot of people that when Obama got elected.
You saw that tea party thing, you saw there were

(01:21:35):
large contingents of white people on the Republican side of
things who felt like they were going to get steamrolled
by this what they called the Black people of Color agenda,
the LGBT coup plus agenda. Right, we just read this
week about the dude who moved his country, who moved
his family out of America because of they didn't want

(01:21:57):
him to be indoctrinated into the LGBTQ plus mentality, and
now he's going to have to fight on the front
lines of the Russia War versus Ukraine. But like you
see that kind of stuff, and so they have that
in their minds and they thought they were going to
become obsolete, and that is the foundation of why we
have the movement we have now, which is sad to see.
And I do think at the end, giving luther those

(01:22:19):
emotions at the end, I think was really powerful for
the movie. It made me slightly sympathetic to lo Lutheran
because it's kind of a tragic figure, even though he
does pretty horrible shit. You see at the end that
he's doing this stuff because Superman reminds him of how
weak he is, and because he's clearly a person who's
a man child and is probably a state of arrested development,
hasn't done any work on himself mental health wise or

(01:22:41):
therapy wise. Instead of seeing this person as a hero,
he sees this person as a threat to his ego,
to his existence, to his.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Strength, to his power.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
And through the whole movie, isn't he brains over Bron,
brains over Bron And in the end even Superman gets
the best of him in the brains department by making
that move. So these are the things you see, and
I think they're really important. Smart subtle decisions that Gun
made with the movie and him talking about them more
out loud, I think is smart. So that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
That's the truth that I'm looking at there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
And then he's asked about his own fame and he says,
how do you feel about your own fame? You've been
front and cenator and this press steward. You get recognized
a lot. He goes, yeah, always, and since the white
hair has come, it's I get recognized even more. And
then as asked, is that kind of fame is something
you wanted when you were younger? He said hugely. I'm
getting what I wanted all those years, but my attitude
toward it has changed. I come from a very dysfunctional family,
and I think I wanted to be famous so I
could find a way that people would love me. I

(01:23:37):
like a lot of creatives have that as a foundational
piece of who they are, and I can speak to
you from my own personal experience. The acting was so
that I could feel that on the stage right, I
wanted to feel that I wanted to feel the acceptance.
Not that my parents didn't love me. They did. I
just I just wasn't always loved in the way that
made sense to me, And so I found that and

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being a kid who was bullied, being a fat kid
for a majority of my life with a bowl hair
oh not majority before a majority of my formative years
with a bowl haircut, who was beat up all the
time up until I was fifteen years old. I mean
from like six seventy eight years old up until I
was fifteen, I was beat up a lot by bullies

(01:24:22):
just for being Latino, for being fat, for not being attractive,
for having a tariway air cut, for not dressing cool,
any number of reasons. I mean, bullies would chase me
into my soccer practice, the one place I would have
that was solace to escape from all the madness. They
would wait for me outside. I mean, I had a
bully punch me in the face one time because I

(01:24:45):
was walking to go pick up my sister from elementary school.
I used to walk and pick up my sister from
elementary school to make sure she was safe because I
would get home from high school and then walk over
the guy I used to take a shortcut through the
back fences of the yards. Well, this guy apparently had
scouted me out. His name is Wade. I'm not going

(01:25:09):
to say his last name because I don't want any
kind of issues. But it was in Dale City and
this sack of shit waited for me out behind a fence,
and as soon as I came around the corner, he
just clocked me in front of his buddies. They were
giggling and laughing, and I'm just sitting there in just
incredible becau. This dude was like, this dude lifted, he
was big. He was a big guy. He was like

(01:25:30):
two or three years older than me. Kicked the shoe.
I just punched them so fucking hard. And so I
had to go pick up my sister with this. Well,
my sister cried all the way home, all the way
home for me, you know, because she saw me and
in pain. I wasn't crying. I was trying to stay strong,
stay tough for her. That's the Latino in me. But yeah,

(01:25:52):
I experienced that. And so this the attitude that you
that I understand, Like this, you developed that sense of
being unwanted because of things that happen outside your home
and sometimes inside your home, and so I think a
lot of creatives have that as a foundational piece of
who they are. So some of you get mad at
some people get mad at me. They're like, oh, you're

(01:26:12):
so AGGRESSI if you saw this or that, it's because
I won't ever let anyone bully me ever again. And
if I sense you're bullying me, and I will absolutely
come after you. And some people are like, oh, you're
bullying these people. Fuck no, I'm fighting back and I'm
giving you the same energy you're giving me. Now, sometimes
I'm wrong and I admit what I'm wrong, and certainly
it's because I have that overdeveloped sense of defending myself
because of things that I've experienced. But I'm not always wrong,

(01:26:36):
and I'm not usually wrong in those situitches, and when
I am, I absolutely apologize. But it's from that place
and I've dealt with a lot of it through therapy
and whatever. But it does occasionally come out because some
people say the most horrible shit to you on social media,
on the internet, on YouTube comment threat It's like pretty horrible, toxic, vile,
personal shit, and then when you deliver the same energy

(01:26:56):
back to them, they get all fucking offended and claim
you're bullying them and get out of here. So anyway,
I get that situation like the want the desire to
be famous because you want that attention. And he said,
over the years, I've learned it doesn't make you feel that,
It just makes you feel worse. You get a lot
of attention that can be a biggerating, but it also
doesn't feel like anything. Yes, because you haven't fixed the
foundational problem of why you need that attention. Right. So

(01:27:18):
I discovered that all but also I decided to discover
ways in which I was loved by other people, especially
by my wife, by my friends, family and colleagues. And
a lot of it happened after I was fired, all
the people that came to support me when I was
at my lowest after Guardians and feeling that love, really
feel the hole I had in my life that made
try to get attention for people I don't know. I've
gotten into the place now where I really am focused
on making movies and once it's done, it has nothing

(01:27:39):
to do with me. I like the people like the movie,
but that's not what it's about for me. It used
to be I was trying to say love me, love me,
love me, but now I get my love from actual
dog for my actual dog, not from people loving Crypto.
But listen, I like that I get a better see
at the restaurant. That's nice. I like that I don't
have to spend in standing too many lines, that's nice.
But fame doesn't really help you much beyond those two things.

(01:28:00):
So yeah, I think it's a really good I think
it's a really good answer. And you could call it
a self serving answer, and I see some people who've
done that, but I think it's actually pretty How can
I say this an answer born of therapy, Like you realize, like, hey,
getting strangers to like me is not what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
I've got to look past that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I got to focus on the love I have in
my life and then creating the best work that I
can create, regardless of how people are going to receive it. Right.
I think that's an important lesson as we leave the
James Gunn section of this show for people to take
into their own lives right now. And I have to
remind myself all the time when I look at my YouTube,

(01:28:39):
Soon was like, hey, you know what I'm saying. Are
you proud of the shows You're doing Are you working
hard to get them out there? Yes? So the fact
that I don't have like one hundred thousand or a
million subscribers or whatever, that's okay. I'm building the way
I want to build, the way I'm comfortable building, and
I'm happy doing that. I don't need to beg people

(01:29:01):
and I don't need to get their approval. Right, it's
a really hard thing to break through. I encourage all
of you to find ways to break through all that.
You are absolutely fine the way you are, and if
there are things that you are not happy with in
your life or not happy things are going, you've got
to step up and do the work to figure out
what those things are. Be strong enough to take a

(01:29:23):
hard look at yourself and own up to the shortcomings
you have and change that because you want to live
a better life. It's always up to the person, right,
No one can make you do a damn thing. You
can have all the interventions, all the stuff you want,
it isn't till the person actually reacts to it and

(01:29:44):
actually knows it's time to make a change, that they
make a change. And so I hope any of you
who are maybe on the fence about it, we'll find
the strength to do it because you can live a
happier life. Listen for all the occasional skirmishes I get
into online happy life, you know I make I'm very
happy after everything with a collider. I really am very

(01:30:05):
fortunate the way I ended up, with all the shrinking
and the firing and all these outlets, and then people
having to do what these outlets tell them to do,
write what they tell them to write, have points of
views that they tell them to have, and these people
have become dependent on these six figure salaries. I'm very happy.
I don't live that life, you know. I've built my

(01:30:25):
own thing and I'm happy. I'm happy with my lady.
I'm happy with where we live, you know. So things
have worked out. I don't think it would have happened
if I hadn't done the hard work and the therapy work.
So I can't encourage you all to do that. Enough. Now,
let's move on to the box office with Superman. Here.

(01:30:45):
These are the numbers that have popped up this morning.
These numbers might change by the end of the day,
but not too much. But Superman here, Oh yeah, let
me put this up here so you guys can go
on Here's Superman. He's smiling and should be happy with
the box office, here boy arm word of mouth and reviews.
Superman declined a less than expected fifty four percent to
fifty seven point two million, for a pleasing ten day

(01:31:07):
domestic total tally of two hundred and thirty five million
dollars through Sunday. That's a narrow decrime for the decline
for the struggling superhero genre. Overseas, where Superman has always
faced challenges, the film earned another forty five point two
million for an international tally of one hundred and seventy
one point eight million and four hundred and six point
eight million globally, in what Hollywood Reporter is calling a

(01:31:30):
major win for DC and Warner Brothers, which has passed
up Disney to rank number one and domestic market share
for the year to date. Wow, I'm sure that's because
of Minecraft as well, and a little bit more on this.
It's and only its second week in Superman has already
passed up the entire lifetime run of Marvel's Thunderbolts, which
topped three hundred and eighty three million, and it should,

(01:31:53):
by the way, It's Superman, and it's only days away
from overtaking Marvel's other twenty twenty five entry, Captain America
revenew World, but earned only four hundred and fifteen million
dollars worldwide. Marvel hopes to begin to turn its fortunes
around when Fantastic four hits theaters this week from now
on July twenty fifth. That means Superman only is a
few days left to itself before it faces direct competition,

(01:32:14):
in addition to losing Imax screens and other premium large
format screens and Fantastic four, which is now tracking to
open between one hundred and thirty two hundred and forty
million dollars domestically, it had been one ten one to
one ten over the weekend now a few days ago.
Now over the weekend it's kind of jumped up to
one thirty one forty. So I think these are good numbers. Listen.
I've been one of these people that's like I'm last week, right,

(01:32:37):
we debated whether the box office was good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
For Superman or not.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Four hundred million dollars in ten days, I kind of
or two weeks rather, I kind of feel like that's
not a bad thing, And I think that's a pretty
good signe four hundred million dollars. Uh yeah, four hundred
and six million dollars. That's I think. That's what I said.
Uh mk, Songbird, Yeah, four hundred and six point eight
million is what I said. That's what it is worldwide.

(01:33:02):
So pretty amazing stuff for Superman. I think in two
weeks to get four hundred and six million dollars, and
I don't think it's slowing down. I think people Yeah,
I think the Fantastic four, Jurassic World Rebirth, even F one,
which is a good Warner Brothers release as well through Apple.
With Apple that's almost at five hundred million dollars globally.
I think what's F one at right now? Being being

(01:33:27):
F one? Is it for sixty four hundred and sixty
at the worldwide box office over the weekend. That's pretty amazing.
Jurassic World Rebirth has crossed six hundred million dollars globally.
People Stop going to see that movie. I don't want
to lose this steak dinner. Stop going to see that
movie for god sense. So I mean, if I was
Warner Brothers and I was James Gunn, this is when

(01:33:50):
I would issue the statements. I think they issued a
statements too early last week, I think a second and
maybe they did that because they were afraid that the
second week it wouldn't be as strong. But I mean,
I think it was supposed to drop fifty to fifty two.
It dropped to fifty four. Some people were saying it
was going to drop less than fifty. That didn't happen.
So it's a good drops on a great drop, right,

(01:34:10):
And so I think four hundred and six million dollars
globally in two weeks is pretty good for Superman. I
now think it has a real chance to hit the
six or six fifty as some people have been saying.
I still think it's not as strong the seven hundrellion dollars,
but I am coming around on the fact that it
is giving people a good good vibes and people are

(01:34:34):
getting excited for DC because some things for the brand
are more important than the film being this seven hundred
million dollars eight hundred million dollar blockbuster. The fact that
people are now excited to see what's coming from Superman.
And again I'm saying this after having seen the movie
a couple times, right, I mean, before I saw the movie,
I was like, this has got to hit a certain amount,

(01:34:56):
blah blah blah. But now as I see the reaction
to the movie, lost the boord, social media, the news programs, everything,
it's majority beloved by a lot of the DC fan
was at a minus in the cinema school, And so
for me, I look at it and go, Okay, this
is a good thing. I think this is a good thing. Now.

(01:35:16):
I still think it would be better if it hit
seven hundred million, of course, but if it tops out
at six six fifty and it's done the job to
stabilize the DC brand, I see now the effect that
people were saying about stabilizing the DC brand, because they
were also saying this stuff before the film came out,
And if the film had not been that well received,
it wouldn't have necessarily stabilized the DC brand, right, Or

(01:35:38):
if it had been a good film, but like it
only made three hundred million dollars total, it wouldn't have
stabilized the DC brand. So the fact that people feel
really good about the movie, I think that goes a
long way towards seeing what we're gonna, I don't know,
raise the excitement of what we're gonna get next for DC.
I know I'm excited, and I wasn't necessarily excited before
I saw Superman, so I am very curious girl stuff.

(01:36:00):
As I said last week, that's just that's just promotion
gold right now, I'm looking forward to that movie like crazy.
So I think you should feel very positive about these
numbers and hopefully they carry through the week into next weekend,
because remember they still gots like five more days or
four more days before Fantastic Four comes out. In this
past week, they were breaking records, we're not breaking. They

(01:36:22):
were having the highest totals per day than any other
movie this year, So those are all positive. Yeah, WB
still has Weapons and Mortal Kombat too coming out this year, right,
and that Mortal Kombat look fantastic. Holy shit, that looked
like a lot of fun. And weapons look crap. Weapons
look scary as fill see. All right, so we'll see,

(01:36:46):
we'll see what happens on. I just wanted to highlight
the box office because we talked about it last week,
and of course what they know, what you did last
summer and Smurfs didn't do so well overall, even though
they had lower budgets, they didn't do so well over on,
and Eddington did not do well at all actually came
in under expectations at four point three million. Smurf's did

(01:37:09):
eleven million with twenty two million overseas, so thirty three
point six million globally is not good for a legendary
brand like that. And as I said, durssical Workcross Oh oh,
I know you did the last summer. The remake or
reboot whatever it is, came in third with thirteen million,
and it launched to eleven million overseas, so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Twenty four point six million globally.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
So there you go. All right, what else do we
want to talk about? All right, let's talk about this aa.
Let's get into this stuff here, man, Let's talk about
the Fantastic four first reactions. You know, we're speaking of
the competition that they're going to be having here. I
think I have them mined up for us to follow
along with. Let me take down a graphic and keep
sending in your stream Labs and Supertense, so we'll be

(01:37:52):
answering them after we're done with the show here in
a few minutes. So here's the reaction me, sir in
let's see some of these reactions. All right? Cool? Oh well, actually,

(01:38:12):
how can I make myself. No, no, I want to
be on the screen. Maybe this one. Yeah, let's do
this one, all right, So fantastic four. First of all,
I don't have a background that's you know, let's put
this one. Is that good? Kind of distracting about this one? Yeah?
So I like this one. This is good? All right.

(01:38:34):
So let's take a look at these first reactions. Where
is it? Boom boom? Okay uh. Brandon Davis said it
is visually one of the best things Marvel has ever made.
Parts feel like Interstellar and demand Imax. Galactus is awesome,
Server serve looks really good. Thefx were often immaculate. Andrew
Salazar from Discussing Film says it is a story about

(01:38:55):
family above all, else where each member of the team
is equally important. No one is underserved. The movie excels
when flushing out the various bombs between Pedro Vanessa, Evan Moss,
Backrock and Joseph Quinn. Dio at Freaky You says it
is a masterpiece ofright slow down. The visual effects on
the score are a huge standout. Galactus is huge in imax,
It's emotional and gives you hope. This is the funny

(01:39:17):
one and beats you off and doesn't stop stay until
the end credits. I retweeted this one the other day.
This is hilarious this one. Sean Channeler had this one
sent to him and he almost he almost fell for it.
I love that it beats you off and doesn't down.
That's hilarious. That's how you know it's a parody one,
which I think is very, very funny. All right, anyway,
who else have we got it? Daniel Baptista says the
Fantastic four First Steps is inspiring and the definitive take

(01:39:40):
on Marvel's first family. Matt Shackman redefines a new era
of Marvel with an adventure that is a cosmic storm
of imagination and a future foundation. My brother Chris Killian
over there at combook dot Com said, Fantastic four Freekin'
racks more than any Marvel movie before it. Four feels
like Jack Kirby's imagination brought to life on the big screen.

(01:40:00):
Between this and Superman, twenty twenty five might go down
as the year movies finally embrace the wonderful weirdness of
comic books. Let's see if they are any of the
names that I know of. Anthony Lizzie Jules. Family dynamics
are there. It is what Marvel needed. Family dynamics are
there in the stakes are hi. Everyone's perfectly cast and
Vanessa Krbis Sue is a standout. Matt Shackman reminds us

(01:40:23):
why we loved his work in Wanavision and why we'll
love this film. See is there anyone else I know
who's a part of this, who's got some strong George McKay.
McKay at Harper's Media quite possibly the best Marvel Studios
from ever released, Absolutely loaded with talent and stand up
performances from Vanessa Kirby and Joseph Quinn. If you thought
the MCU died with the end game thing again thoughtfully

(01:40:45):
crafted an easily as genre defining classic. Juan, the box
office expert at Films by Juan, says, Fantastic four isn't
just fantastic, It's a triumph. Shachman's all time direction and
masterful score created a genre defining We wrote retro futuristic
film leading to a better, brighter and optimistic MCU. The
four leads are everything we needed. Joseph Quinn's casting is generational.

(01:41:08):
Um all right, I think that's everybody that I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
In terms of uh first reactions.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Is there a I think there's a Okay, here we go,
Briedy did one share that vriety article? Let me switch
over to that here we go? All right, what did
they have? Let's go a little closer. Yeah, Brendan Davis,

(01:41:41):
we read his people, Stafford. Shara Drury echoed the praise
running on next to the Fantastic Four was breathtaking. She
gave kudos to Petro Pascal and Vanessa Kirby, stunning visuals,
a moving story, Winnie Banter and epic action Marvels First
Family delivers one awesome ride. Pedderal Pascal nails it as
mister Fantastic. Vanessa Kirby stands out of slue storm. She
is a shooting star. Are U ryot excuse the report

(01:42:02):
of the Malcovich was originally Central peard for Steps as
reg Goos, but he was cut out of the film.
So that was a big news story this week that
Malcolvich is not in the movie, and Shackman said it
was quote heartbreaking not to include him in the final
version of the movie. And there are photos floating around
of Paul Walter Hauser as a mole Man, I wouldn't
recommend that you guys look at those, so they're going.
Josh Walding said, nothing will prepare you for the Fantastic Four.

(01:42:24):
For steps, fed in the Pascal is the perfect read,
but the entire cash shines and does write by these characters.
It's funny, moving, gorgeous to look at, and NonStop fantastic.
This is Marvel Studios at its brilliant best. So positive
word of mouth for a Fantastic four for sure, and
so I'm really excited to see it tomorrow night. But again,
these are people to God to see it early, so

(01:42:46):
it doesn't make me feel like, Okay, I'm gonna going
in to see an awesome movie. It just was these
people liked it. They were hand picked to come in
early and see it. That's their reactions. I will see
what my reaction is when I go to see it
tomorrow night, and if I like it or don't like it,
I might have tickets to give away for that one
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Fandango codes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
I gave some Fandago codes away or I will be
given away from Fanego man, so I may have some
for Fantastic four as well. And there are yeah, this
week there are. They also released that there were two
post credit scenes, and I think one of them or
both of them are directed by the Russos, which, of
course I think, didn't they do the Thunderbolt's post credit

(01:43:30):
scene the Russos? I thought the Russo's directed that one
as well, or Shackman directed that one rather. And then
now the Russos are directing these post credit scenes lead
us into doomsday, So that may be that we get
Robert Downey Jr. As the appearance there in the in
the post credit scene. So we will see. So I'm

(01:43:52):
happy for this, you know. Uh, we will see what
happens with it. People keep asking me if I saw
the tracking for a Fantastic four.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Yeah, I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
I said that it was one forty is what the
most recent tracking is according to the Hollywood Reporter. Yeah,
one thirty one forty. So I mentioned that already, I
don't know what they think it's going to do globally.
They haven't said what they think it's going to do globally,

(01:44:25):
So we will see. We will see what happens with
all of that. All right, that's it for the Fantastic
Four stuff. It's exciting and I'll let you guys know
if I have tickets to give away. Maybe by the
time we do another episode of the Truth, I will
have them to give away for people, which would be fun.
So we'll see if if you guys want to see

(01:44:48):
it without having to pay for it, I may be
able to hook you up if you win one of
the tickets. If they give me codes to give away,
we will see. All right, one last thing, do I
want to talk about? What else? Do I want to
talk when we're running a little a little over so
I don't want to spend too much time on this,
But you guys want to talk about the junkets, I
don't know if you guys want to talk about the chunks.
You want to talk about the junkets, well, fine, we

(01:45:12):
segue this. Fantastic four has had some pretty uh pretty
terrible junket interviews that have happened here and listen. This
has been happening all over the place with junkets, and
here are some clips of them. We can watch them
and be like, I think twice if Chris Evans is

(01:45:32):
popping up in Fantastic for or Doomsday once if he doesn't,
are you speaking English or German? Tell the language. I
didn't understand a word. I'm just going into a blackout. See.
I thought that was a fun one. But then we
get this one, which was the one that I think

(01:45:54):
I retweeted this morning, was like what is happening here?

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
But jumping right into Euvanessa, You've kind of a social
media icon for your force field snatched county fierceness face.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Oh god, how did you come It's a good thing.
It's a good thing. What's that from sunglasses?

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
Jumping right into you, Vanessa? You've kind of become a
social media icon for your force field, snatched county fierceness space?

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
Oh god, how did you come about? It's a good thing.
It's a good thing. What's that from sunglasses?

Speaker 5 (01:46:31):
Maybe means fierce, like fabulous, beautiful, strong.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
Strong, it's good, it's independent promise.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Yeah, I don't know anything about. And then there was
this one, which was a real train wreck. Andrew has
played a father in so many different texts, a found
father figure. But do you think it's safe to say
that read is the first capital D daddy in the
m c U? Are there other fathers? I mean daddy,

(01:47:05):
oh daddy daddy?

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
No? I would Okay, No, the first capital D daddy
in the m c U. No, I would say he's
in a group of Capital D daddies. There are a
lot of daddies.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
In the m c U.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
If you're asking my opinion, pretty daddy, Tony Stark is daddy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Chris Evans pretty daddy.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
Actually, it's a daddy fest.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
You're lucky to stick out in.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
I have to use my stretching powers to stick out
of it. And has played a father. Oh this is
some rough stuff. This is some rough stuff. Let me
take that down right, man. That is some rough stuff, y'all.
I it is. I don't know. We've been seeing us

(01:48:00):
more and more.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Over the last few years.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
How these studios and their marketing teams and these publicists
and the people they approve to go and do these
jun kets. And look, I'm doing this piece and I'll
probably never get approved to go to another junket. And
that's okay with me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
You know, I am in a position now where I
don't need that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
To boost my figures or boost my numbers or anything
like that. I'd rather do a sit down interview for
an hour, hour and a half with creative and that
I haven't gotten to that point where I can like
use my numbers to be able to convince a publicist
or a studio to have me interview a creative for

(01:48:47):
an hour or an hour and a half about their work,
about this, like what Josh Horwitz does. I wish I
could do that. I know I can do that. I
wish I had the opportunity to do that because I
would love to interview. If you watch my long form interviews,
I think they're They're stuff I'm really proud of that
are here on the channel with different creatives that I've
done in the past. I'm proud of those interviews. I
would love to get a chance to do more. But

(01:49:08):
watching this stuff junkens. Look, first of all, we tell
you I've done a number of junkets. You guys have known.
You've seen my interviews with like the with Sylvester Stallone,
the Rock twice, l Eastwood, the cast from Parasites, Like
I've done a number of junket interviews Denzel over the years.
You know they are they are a art and they

(01:49:30):
are a skill and coming up with questions that you
can ask these creatives that they a haven't heard before.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Or B that they find interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
Is not easy because they have so many people ask
them questions and they only have five minutes to do
this stuff with. So you really you're very lucky if
you get an actor or a creative who is like,
understand this is part of the business and gives you
one hundred percent every time, like The Rock does that.
Dwayne Johnson for all my stuff earlier about him and
his feelings and his ego and all that, when you're

(01:50:03):
in a room with him and you're interviewing him, he
is so open to everything you're bringing. I've never had
a bad experience with him face to face, and I
don't hear and I don't think I've talked to anybody
who's ever had a bad experience with him face to
face interviewing him for a junket. But other people you've
seen those videos, they are not as happy to be

(01:50:25):
in the process. Johnny Depp, Joaquin Phoenix, others who are
a little more prickly, little more prissy, little more pretentious,
little more self involved, or a little more introverted, and
so they are uncomfortable with those kinds of situations. So
I've seen that, So I'll say that going in that's
the foundational thing. These are tough to do coming up

(01:50:45):
with questions, because sometimes just because you come up with
five questions doesn't mean you're going to get all five answered.
You might get one or two answered, because the person
might go on and on and on and on and
on with an answer, and the next thing you know,
you've only got thirty seconds or you get one minute
tag and you have yet to get to the other
two big questions that either your producer gave you to
ask or you came up with to ask. They're tough,

(01:51:09):
So I give that grace to the situation that being said,
these interviews from these people, I think they're TikTokers or whatever.
It comes off as super unprofessional. It comes off as
a waste of time for the creatives. You're using language

(01:51:32):
that these people who are in their forties probably don't
or late thirties or whatever, don't really get, or they're
not on social media all the time getting these slangs,
getting these getting the knowledge of this stuff. So you're
I mean, you use the word kunty, and that's a

(01:51:52):
very dangerous word to use now in Britain. Of course,
that's just a word that's like saying the F word.
It's not a big deal. But in other countries that word,
especially America, that word symbolizes something completely different. Now I
get it. You know, they're trying to be the cool kids,
saying the cool lingo of whatever's cool nowadays. I was
once young. We had our dialogues, We had our slang words,

(01:52:15):
every generation of slang words. None of you are fucking unique.
We all have slang words we come up with that
are good, like based. Now. You know, we had our
own version of based back in the eighties. All in
the nineties had your version of based. Two thousands kids
had their version of based. Like everyone's got their.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
Version of slang terms. And you're not breaking any new ground.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
You're not discovering a fucking a new treasure or a
world wonder or anything like that, or wonder of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
Rather, it's slang, and.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
I get it's nothing wrong with that, but there's a
way to use the slang. And him calling Pedro a daddy,
which has implications beyond just being an attractive guy. It
could also mean it has gay implications, and I know
Pedro has not come out in his way, So I
think to ask that question, you're kind of walking into

(01:53:07):
a man's personal space and essentially asking him to out
himself to a degree. And so I love how Pedro
answered that question very politically, very smart. It's kind of
like that question that David Cornseat was asked by that
one reporter who at the Mary Sue when she was like, hey,
and need ask you this question about Kevin cost and

(01:53:28):
Man of Steel. With this Superman of Saved, she was
essentially walking into a minefield to ridicule Man of Steel.
And he smartly did not do that, and even came
out later and said that he likes the movie and
likes Henry Cavill's performance, likes him as Superman. That the
Kenry Cavills sent him a very gracious note after he
reached out to him asking for tips and pointers. But

(01:53:49):
you know these people, some of these people want to
add none and not all of them do it, but
some of them do want to ask these questions that
make stuff go viral. Get the attention, get the clicks,
get the likes, get the engagement, or they faught all
over these Oh my god, they become the Chris Farley
from SNL. What was it like when you when you like?

(01:54:11):
Do you remember when you and it's like you know,
and they're all doing that to play a certain act
or play a certain character, right, I think nothing drives
me and listen, I did this when I was first
starting out, but now looking back, like I think you
can have personal anecdotes that are connected to the person,
but keep them quick.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
I save mine now for after the interview.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
Like when I interviewed Denzel, I told him after I
interviewed him, how much Malcolm X meant to me, Like
after the cameras got turned off, I told him how
much it changed my life. Malcolm X changed my life
when I was a young twenty year old, and so
those those are precious moments that you get with Pedro.
I had a fun exchange with Pedro after the cameras
he gave me graciusly gave me eight minutes. We had

(01:54:53):
a really fun conversation. I interviewed Pederal for Equalizer two,
which upset some people who were at Collider who found
out that I got the interview because they really wanted
the interview, and they pouted all day about it. And
I know because I was there when they were pouting,
and it was a great It was a great fun time.

(01:55:16):
And then afterwards we talked as to latinos, just talking
in Spanish about shit. So it was great. Those are
the times you do it. But what we're seeing now
is a lot of like you were on my wall
and I have all your movies, and so there's a
way to do it that I think in a long
form format that works, but in a short form format
it feels like you're making yourself the center of the

(01:55:37):
interview when it should be them. And that's just my
own personal approach to it. And I learn more from
you making them the center of the the interview than
I do from you making yourself the center of the interview.
And when you ask questions like this, you're making yourself
the center of the interview. When you ask him he's
a daddy, or you talk about County Face or whatever,

(01:55:57):
like you're making yourself the interview. And you're not as
important as that creative that I'm watching. You're just fucking not.
I don't care how many followers, as subscribers or whatever
you fucking have. You're not that important to me as
much as someone who is creating something. Is that creating
something from scratch? Right? I know you're a content creator
and as a fellow content creator. I get it, but

(01:56:18):
you're not doing a theatrical movie, and you're not out
here trying to get people to watch your theatrical movies.
A different approach. Yes, you're trying to get people watch
your content. So I get it. You want to use
them to get attention for your content, but there's gonna
be using someone and creating something. And I think these
people created something and they want to promote it. So
I think you have to ask questions that lean into

(01:56:40):
that and work harder at asking these questions than they do.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
So yeah, that's the things that you've got to.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
Yeah, Karen's right, bether dated women also, we never know
number exactly. So that's why I think asking a question
like that is wrong, you know so uh, And I
think that you've got to respect them because look at you.
Look at Vanessa Kirby's face. She looks so uncomfortable, so

(01:57:13):
uncomfortable answering these questions. Uh. And it's because she knows,
like for her, it's her own business. And I mean,
he's right, she expects more from that. Like Vanessa, if
you watched her interviews like longer form and is this
intelligent woman. This is a woman who is very clear

(01:57:34):
about who she is as a person. Pether as well,
but Pether is more playful. So Pether doesn't take it
all so seriously. But he has that you know, has
been documented. He has panic attacks, he has anxieties. You know,
who's I forget who he was holding onto, oh Vanessa. Yeah,
during some of the Fantastic four press stuff. If you've
catched him holding her arm or her holding his or

(01:57:57):
putting his her hand behind his back, it's all too
his anxieties, you know. And so they have that friendship,
they have that relationship, and I think that's something. When
you ask questions like that, you're not only insulting the person,
you're insulting yourself. And so you know, but you know,
I'm a small content creator, So what do you fucking care?

(01:58:19):
But when I watch stuff like that, for me, it's
it's hurtful. I just am heartbroken when I see that
kind of stuff. It doesn't it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
It's an insult.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
And I see so many qualified people who run sites,
who work for sites, their own sites or site figure sites,
who aren't getting a chance to interview these creatives because
the publicists are defaulting to these people. Now that's where
the blame really comes. The main blame is the studios,
the marketing divisions, and the publicists who assign this stuff
to these people. That's where the blame lies. Look these influencers,

(01:58:51):
there is a contract with the devil. You're making with them,
like they are going to come in to create content
for their channel. That is their job for their channel.
I don't give a fuck who gets hurt in the process,
or who I embarrass or who I insult.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
I needs great content. I need to great engagement so
I can make money.

Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
Right, So if you ask them to be part of
this situation, then you know going in they're gonna And
I hate that they put the actors. They subject the
actors to this kind of stuff because the actors don't
know what they're going to ask. They haven't vetted these
influencers or social media people. They know certain reporters for
certain sites because those are the same reporters that show

(01:59:29):
up every time to interview them. But when they start
going outside the realms of internheimer journalism and they bring
in people like this, they're essentially hanging out their actors
to dry with this stuff, and the actors have to
roll with it. So I find it disrespectful to the
actors coming from the studios and the marketing teams, because
your job is to get people excited for the movie.
No one is excited watching those two clips. Not one

(01:59:52):
fucking person's like, oh, I better go get a ticket
for Fantasic Warre. Now he talked about daddy's or her
county face. Ooh, I better go and get tickets now.
It's like, that's not what happens at all. So yeah,
just frustrating to see that, right, And as draw says,
body language speaks volumes too. Yeah, you can see her face,
and she may be doing that on purpose, because it

(02:00:13):
said Vanessa's an intelligent woman, she may be given those
kinds of faces.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
So she doesn't betray fully what she.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Thinks about the situation, but she's very clear in how
she thinks about the situation. So yeah, yeah, Marco says,
it makes me want to watch the movie less exactly more.
You're one hundred percent right on that, all right, So
I mean, obviously I can't change anything from here, but
I just wanted to highlight the fact that, look, I
understand going in that these junkets are tough, they're a scale,
They're not easy. The questions you ask, you have to

(02:00:41):
really hit it off the bat if you want to
get them to answer it and get some viral content.
So I don't necessarily blame them fully, the interviewers, but
I do think they need to have some more decorum,
some more intelligence, some more experience, some more journalistic integrity
to them up to them if they want to do that,
But it's really to me, the line's share of the
blame is the studios and the marketing teams and the

(02:01:03):
bubblicist who allow this to happen, who hang their actors
out to dry, and then that needs to stop. These
people work really hard to create these movies. Judge them
on the content that they've created. Don't sit there when
not kind of sorry. Judge them on the films and
TV shows they've created. Don't sit there and talk about
their faces or if their daddies, don't subject them to
those kinds of conversations from these kinds of influencers, because

(02:01:25):
it's an insult to them for the most part. All right,
that's my two cents. Yeah, Josh does a great job,
Tim says, Josh Rowitz is still the good Yeah Josh.
But also Josh gets long form. I don't know how
Josh would be. I don't think I ever saw Josh
Harrowitz junket, And it may be because he did good
on those junkets. He was able to get on MTV
and all those kinds of things. So I don't know,

(02:01:47):
but yeah, I mean Josh is great. I love his
long form content. He gets some really good answers, kind
of like Chris Van Vliet with the pro wrestling stuff
like him and Van Him and Van Vliet are the
guys I watch the most because they get great content
out of both of them. Someone said, there's a Kevin
Fig interview. Do I stay on to look at this
Kevin Fig interview? Do you guys want me to do that?

(02:02:07):
I mean, there's so many We've be went on for
two hours. I don't want to. I don't want to
take up your entire Sunday. Oh shit, there was a
massive damn. Do we want to read this together? All right?
You guys? Let me know? Should I should I stay
on and do the Kevin Fig interview or read through
this Kevin Fig interview that just dropped? I mean, I'm

(02:02:27):
went on for so long. I don't want to bore
you guys, and I want to get to your questions.
But this is the article here? Is it big enough
for you? I'd like to make Here we go. This
is the article here, Kevin fig Here Marvel Studio's future
focusing on lower budgets, less TV and more. Robert Downey Jr.
Look at Superman. It's clearly not superhero fatigue. From Adam

(02:02:51):
b Veri, Angeli Jackson, and Brent Lang. All right, let
me see where this land's up. All right, I guess
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with you guys, So you're gonna get this is like
a reacting thing. You're gonna get me reacting to this

(02:03:33):
in real time. This dropped apparently six minutes ago on Variety.
I want to make sure this is correct. Six minutes
ago on Variety had July twentieth, twelve PMPT. Yeah, it's
just dropped. All right, let's go through it. Angela left
you in here as a test to see who would
try to break the lock. There, Kevin fig He was
teasing a small group of journalists, including from Variety, while
sitting at one end of the most storied conference rooms

(02:03:54):
in Hollywood in the heart of Marvel Studios' offices on
the Disney Lot in Burbank. Was there to talk about
the past president and future of the studio he's led
since Robert down And Junior declared himself to be Iron
Man in two thousand and eight. After Marvel's communications chief
Angela Shaw, brought fivey into the room, he gestured to
the opposite wall covered with shutter doors that are secure
with the padlock behind them. He explained, with a smile,

(02:04:17):
are the plans for the next seven years of the
Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Speaker 2 (02:04:20):
A so not a ten year plan, this time seven
year plan.

Speaker 1 (02:04:23):
He says. It's traditionally a five year plan. It's usually
been ten, he said, I think it goes to twenty
thirty two right now, though it has been quite quite
seven years. Though it hasn't been quite seven years since
he last did this, it's still rare that Figi gives
an interview of this lengthen candor. But after some ice
breaking small talk in which Marvel's chief creative officers shared

(02:04:44):
his thoughts on DC Studio Superman. More on that. In
the bid, Figi made clear why he's spending the Friday
before the premiere. I faed asked four first steps the
fifty fourth entry in the MCU Jesus Christ, that's crazy.
Speaking on the record, here's his quotes. We produced fifty
hours of stre Worries from twenty seventeen. In twenty nineteen,
Figi said, But in the six years since Avengers Endgame,

(02:05:05):
I'm gonna go a little bit closer on this. Since
six years since Avengers Endgame concluded the Infinity Saga quote,
We've had well over one hundred hours of stories in
half the time. That's too much, in fact, including animation,
Marvel's Multiverse saga spends one hundred and twenty seven hours
of content that is insane. After Endgame, Figye said, the

(02:05:27):
company entered into a period of quote experimentation and evolution
of the kinds of movies it was making, leading to
projects like Eternals and shang Chi and The Legend of
the Ten Rings, which criminally still doesn't have a fucking sequel.
I've always thought that. I've always thought if you take
success and don't experiment with it and don't risk with it,
then it's not worth it. He said. What we also

(02:05:47):
ended up focus on because of Disney Plus was expansion,
and it's that expansion that I think led people to
say it used to be fun, but now do I
have to know everything about all of these Consequently, Figi
believes the well documented problems Marvel's been facing over the
last few years stem from an overabundance of supply, not
a sudden drop in demand. Look at Superman, he said,

(02:06:08):
of the hit film, which opened one hundred and twenty
five million glob domestically and has grossed four hundred and
seven million globally today. It's clearly not superhero fatigue, right,
Figi said, of Superman. I liked it a lot. I
love you just jump right into it. You don't know
who mister Terrific is tough, you'll figure it out. This
is a fully fleshed out world. He didn't say he
loved it. He said he liked it a lot. Interesting,

(02:06:30):
as Figi explained, and as Disney CEO Robert Eiger has
also said more than once, Marvel's dramatic increase in volume
spread Marvel far too thin for its relatively small team
of executives to keep up. That's for sure. We've said that.
It's certainly that something Jeff mentioned on the Hot Mic
quite a few times when it was happening. At the
near the beginning of our show, there were conversations about

(02:06:52):
Figi being spread too thin. For the first time ever,
quantity trumped quality. Fig He said, so this is basically
a mea kolpa, so far from fig E sided thing,
as he's representing marl one of the Marvel Studios brand.
We spent twelve years working on the Infinity saga, saying
that that's never going to happen to us. We always
had more characters than we could possibly make because we
weren't going to make a movie a month. Suddenly there's

(02:07:14):
a mandate to make more, and we go, well, we
do have more, and starting in twenty twenty three, audiences
began to sour though on Marvel's content on the big
and small screen. As Variety reported in June, only three
of the twenty two films in the Infinity Saga grossed
less than five hundred million worldwide Since the pandemic. However,
seven out of the thirteen movies the MCU have failed

(02:07:35):
to reach that milestone. Viewership for Marvel streaming shows, meanwhile,
is also steadily declined, according to data from Luminat, Luminat
most recently or Luminate. I don't know how I say that.
Most recently Thunderbolts, which earned most some of the best
reviews Marvels received in years, has only grossed three hundred
and eighty million dollars globally. So I mean clearly he's
saying we had a Mandate's right, we had a mandate

(02:07:58):
to do more. That was never our plan. We wanted
to slow roll everything, build up to everything. But there
was a demand to do more, and a lot of
people want to come after Chapik for this, but it
was it started under Iiger and then Tripek. Chaypek continued
it and accelerated it, so both of them deserved the

(02:08:18):
blame for this. I know Iiger looks like the hero
now for ousting Chaypek and coming in and saying we're
going to slow stuff down. But if you do the
math and you look at the history of things, Iiger
was the one who started to want more from Marvel,
and Chapik just took that ball and ran with it.
That's the truth. Too many people just want to worship
Eigers at the altar of Bob Eiger and want to

(02:08:39):
just lambast Chapek, and it's not true. It's both. Figer
says Thunderbolts I thought was a very very good movie,
but nobody knew that title and many of those characters
are from a TV show. It's true. I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:08:51):
That's one of the reasons I was worried about it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
Some audiences were still feeling that notion of I guess
I had to have seen other shows to understand what
this is. If you actually saw the movie, that wouldn't
be the case. And we make the movie so that's
not the case. But I think we still have to
make sure the audience understands that it's fair. It's totally fair.
You understand that. To that end, if fig you spend
an hour discussing everything from budgets to TV schedules and
when Marvel green Light's a project to win, or if

(02:09:14):
audiences could see Miles Morales this Marvel or Charlie's thrown again.
He also provided an update on the status of Blade
with Maharsha Ali and confirmed widespread fans speculation that twenty
twenty sevens Avender Secret Wars will not only conclude the
Multiverse saga, but provide a reset for the entire MCU,
including a new cast for the X Men films. So

(02:09:34):
let's get through it. Take another drink. There will be
a lot less TV, he says. While Marvel's feature output
is slowing down to an at most three films a
year apace the MCU first reach in twenty eighteen, its
TV output is cooling off even further, with often just

(02:09:56):
a single live action show per year, and the shows
they do make will have far less, far less overlap
with the feature films. To disabuse audiences from the expectation
that they have to watch everything to follow what's happening.
In NCU project, right, So everything this is stuff we've
heard before. Over the last few weeks. You've heard them
say that, the Kafigi himself saying that they're going to
slow down the TV production and Eiger too, and that

(02:10:18):
it's not going to you're not going to necessarily have
to watch the show to watch the movie. That's definitely
a focus that they are getting people to like. But
putting this out there, pumping this out there, they want
Marvel fans or fans in general, to have a a
an understanding here that it's no longer about homework anymore.
They're trying to make them as In an addition, thing

(02:10:39):
like you can watch the prequel trilogy, you don't have
to watch Clone Wars, and you can still enjoy or
not enjoy the prequel trilogy. If you watch Clone Wars,
it obviously gives you more background on the prequel trilogy,
more of more of an understanding of the things are going.
It certainly flushes out Anakin much more, with much more

(02:11:00):
deeply and much more richly, but you don't have to
watch it. So I think that's what he's kind of
saying here overall. By way of example, Figi sided the
Marvel TV shows of the twenty tens like Dareduvil and
Jessica Jones on Netflix and Agents Shield and Asian Carter
and ABC, which were produced by a separate now defunct
division of Marvel Entertainment. So then a tenuous connection to

(02:11:22):
the MCU if at all, I think allowing a TV
show to be a TV show is what we're returning to,
he said. Asked if the events at the end of Thunderbolts,
when most of the population of Manhattan was enveloped in
an inky, black shroud of depressing nothingness, would affect season
two of the NYC based Disney Plus series Dared Double
Bard Again, why, Gee had a simple answer no. At

(02:11:42):
the same time, the line between film and TV is
not ironclad. John Berthaal will play as Darreed Double Borne
again character the Punisher, in both an upcoming TV special
and opposite Tom Holland in twenty twenty six Spider Man
Brand New Day. He says, well, we have great actors
playing great characters. I think it would be fun to
see them in multiple places, but the output will be
much less. So that's basically what he's getting at. The

(02:12:04):
output is going to be lower and We're gonna go
back to TV shows being TV shows. No, Figy hated
those shows. By the way, The truth is, Figy did
not like those shows, Agents of Shield, any of those
Marvel shows, the Netflix Marvel Why because Figy wasn't in
control of those shows necessarily, and he didn't want those

(02:12:27):
creators creating cannon for his MCU. And so now but
now they've brought them in now and there's rumors about
an Agency of Shield coming back. There's rumors about Agents
and Shield appearing in Secret Wars or Doomsday or something.

Speaker 2 (02:12:41):
And that's fine.

Speaker 1 (02:12:42):
But I think what he's basically saying is we're going
to go back to the old way of doing things right.
And this is not a surprise. Like again, I'm thinking
on my feet as I look at this. They brought
back Robert Downey Jr. They brought back the Russos. Now
they're going back to what they did before. They made
all these changes and did all this content. So they've
essentially tried to get bigger and they got punched back.

(02:13:05):
And because they got punched back so hard, they are
now going back to how they did things before. This
is basically what he's saying. There will be TV shows,
and when it's convenient, the certain TV shows, certain characters
will bleed into the feature films. But when it's not convenient,
they're just gonna be TV shows that have nothing to

(02:13:25):
do with the main cannon, or movies that have nothing
to do with the main canon, as he said with
the with the end of Thunderbowl or with the Thunderbolts
and the Inky Cloak stuff, because both both Spider Man
and Daredevil, all the Defenders would have been wrapped up
in that, and all the New York based superheroes would
have been wrapped up in that. So they're basically having

(02:13:49):
their cake and eating it too, right. I mean, when
it makes sense for us to do that, we're gonna
make a cannon. When it doesn't, it's just gonna kind
of it's gonna be cannon, but it's not gonna be
part of the overall main timeline. So they're trying to
play with all sides of this and go back to
where it was before and then cherry pick. That production

(02:14:14):
also meant that two of Marvel's TV projects were held
for over a year after they'd been completed. Ironheart with
Dominique Thorne, which concluded in early July and Wonder Man
with ya ya abdua Mateen the second, which premieres in December.
It's something Figy is not keen to repeat, he said.
I don't like when things sit on shelves. He said,
it stinks. I think that's great. The delay especially affected
wonder Man, which follows an aspiring actor with hitting superpowers

(02:14:37):
as he strives to land a role on a TV
series playing a superhero. Figi pointed out that Marvel made
the TV show before HBO Max's twenty twenty four compok
Movies Send Up the Franchise or Apple TV's Hollywood Satire
in the Studio, But now it looks like they're following
a trend instead of leading it. Yeah, that's the game.
Sometimes that's the game. Sometimes, O man, I don't like

(02:14:58):
this diversity still, but don't expect to see Miles Morales.
Since the massive success of twenty eighteen's Black Panther, Marvel
has made a concerted effort to produce projects centered around women,
people of color, and LGBTQ characters for sure. Those titles
include Captain Marvel, Black Widow, Sewn she Eternals, The Marvels,
Captain America, Brave, New world in film, WandaVision, Miss Marvel,

(02:15:21):
She Hulk, Secret Division, Echo, and Agatha all alone on TV.
Several of these projects have been unsuccessful, but many have not.
Oh sorry, several of these projects have been successful, but
many have not commercially or critically been successful. More to
the points, with Marvel's decision to dramatically reduce its output,
it's been unclear what kind of future many of these

(02:15:41):
characters even have in the MCU, if any at all.
Pressed on this question, Figi appeared unconcerned. Marvel represents the
world outside your window, he said, I've always said it
before Dei and Woke became a thing, and after Dei
and Wolke became a thing, are we after? I don't
think so, he singled out, Miss Marvel and the Marvel
Star amman Velani is one of the greatest bits of

(02:16:02):
casting we've ever done, adding I can't wait to see
her somewhere where that will be as much less evident.
At the end of The Marvels of Villani's d Kamal
Khan appeared to recruit Ailey Steinfeld's Cape Bishop to be
part of a young superhero team, but Fige danced around
a question about whether Young Avengers as a film, TV
series or TV special is on the horizon, he said, potentially.

(02:16:24):
In that case, it comes down to where's the best
story and where's the best strange alchemy. Who would be
fun to see them with each other, because that's what
Young Avengers are, but also mixing it up more. Figy
was more definitive about the potential of another highly anticipated
Marvel character, Spider Man's Miles Morales, showing up at the
MCU in the near future. That is nowhere, he said, woof,
until Sony Pictures, which holds the film rights to the character,

(02:16:46):
completes its animated Miles trilogy with twenty twenty seven's Spider
Man Beyond the Spider Verse, which was recently pushed. Figie explained,
we've been told to stay away. Wow, so let's deal
with this still matters, but don't expect see Miles Morale.
So good leading paragraphs, certainly laying out all this kind
of stuff, but also talking about unsuccessful And now they

(02:17:08):
weren't unsuccessful because people didn't want to see this stuff.
They were unsuccessful because the shows themselves were not good
or the movies were not one hundred percent good. So
whatout hundred saying, but overwhelmingly good. I would say eighty
ninety percent good. They weren't so people rebelled against it, right,
And there have been defenders, people defend the Marvels, which

(02:17:29):
three ladies were great or good chemistry, but the film
itself was just so forgettable, like when it was good
shown She was good, Captain America, Brave New World. I
liked it for a movie for what it was. I
didn't think it was as terrible as some people have
dramatically said, clutching their pearls. Captain Marvel, Yes, not that
good of a movie. WandaVision incredible. Miss Marvel was fun,
not that strong. She Wokatturney Along fun, not that strong,

(02:17:50):
And that ending was very divisive. Secret Divasion was a
crap fest. Echo was fine, not great. Agatha Along was good.
Cut above, so you would look at it and go, okay, yeah,
an uneven track record, right, very reflective of Marvel overall
on the film side as well, during these phases, and
so you look at the situation and go, okay, I
get it. You want to reduce your output, all right,

(02:18:12):
But talking about the world outside, I like his comment
that you know, I've always said it before Dei woke
became a thing and after day became a thing. Marvel
represents the world outside you win it, but it didn't
actually initially. So he's being a little bit of a
liar here, and I'm gonna say that because the big
ding with Marvel before they started incorporating people of color

(02:18:33):
was that all of these superheroes were white, the villains
were white. It was a white centric point of view.
It wasn't until Figi started making these changes and they
started bringing in more people of color, more LGBTQ, BLUSS people,
more people of more black people that things changed. Right,
But if you remember back then, and if you don't

(02:18:53):
have fuzzy memories and you don't live in a nostalgia world,
or you don't worship at the altar of Kevin Figi
all the time, the big complaint about Marvel was that
they weren't catering to people of color. They weren't having
people of color have played play important roles in their
movies and TV shows. Well, they didn't have any TV
shows movies, so that was a big deal. And it

(02:19:14):
wasn't ntil like Black panther Kind opened the door and
then boom, because remember was an ike pro murder is
that his name? He was dead set against it and
was I think he's the guy who was an utter
asshole about it and even tried to take control recently
of the Disney board to put everything back in place
where it'd be all white heroes. I appreciate him saying

(02:19:35):
that I've always said it before Dei and Woke became
a thing, and after d what folk became a thing?
Are we after? I don't think so. And then of
course cites him am Vaalani. He doesn't cite anybody else,
but he cites Hi mam Valani. So it's fascinating because
he doesn't want to walk into the Marvel's drama, doesn't
walk into the eternals drama, doesn't want to walk into
the Shihulk drama. But he walks into the bis Marvel

(02:19:57):
stuff because he thinks, you know, people kind of people
love her as Miss Marvel. They may not like to
show overall, but they love her and the family is great.
So he carefully chose which one to talk about, which
person of color to talk which women, which female person
of color. So you know the fact that he's like, wow,
we were de I before and I would have is nonsense, nonsense,

(02:20:18):
utter nonsense. I'm not saying they didn't have like they
didn't care about people of color or didn't like, you know, whatever,
but you could tell they wanted to establish things in
their own way that were safe and comics accurate.

Speaker 2 (02:20:30):
Because he was catering to the white people. Now, because they.

Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
Tried going the other route and didn't deliver quality at
the same level as their projects from before with white
lead stuff, now they're like, well, you know, we're still
going to be this, but you know, we'll see where
they show up, like he's Kama Connor recruited. But well,
if i'd answer around the question about the Young Avengers,
I think because I don't think he wants to do it.
I don't think he wants you Young Avengers at all.

(02:20:54):
I think he knows if he does Young Avengers, he's
in some fucking trouble. I think people were that the
anti woke YouTube people who make money off creating anger
or fomenting the anger of their base are going to
come after a Young Avengers show or movie. I think
it's a show now for the people of color, for
the women that black people. They will absolutely come after

(02:21:16):
all of them. One by one and as a group,
because they have to make their money and they're going
to fabricate this shit and get all up in their
feelings and clutch their pearls to make money.

Speaker 2 (02:21:25):
You know that is going to happen.

Speaker 1 (02:21:27):
So Kevin is trying to be political about this and say,
potentially it comes down to where's the best story and
where's the best strange alchemy? Who would be fun to
see them with each other, because that's what youngerers are,
but also mixing it up more so, he's essentially covering
all his bases so that they say so they can say, well,
we decided to go this route, and we told you

(02:21:47):
we were going to be opened everything. The thing with
Miles Morales is fascinating because I did not know that
that was so definitive. I thought maybe a lot of
people wondering if they're going to surprise us with the
Miles Morales appearance in Secret Wars. But I don't know
if I don't know if the trilogy finishes before Secret
Wars comes out, because this isn't Secret Wars twenty two,
but I think they pushed it till later, So maybe

(02:22:08):
if the trilogy finishes in Secret Wars. If Trilla finishes
before Secret Wars, Miles can still show up in Secret Wars.
But yeah, he says, none, that is nowhere. He said
until they're done with the trilogy. So he's saying until
it completes his trilogy. They've been told to stay away.
So completing me mean either completing in terms that they finished,
they locked the picture, they did the post production that's

(02:22:30):
ready to be released, or the release date. So that
could be interesting. The Marvel method is here to stay, though,
it just won't be quite as expensive. DC Studios CoA
chief James Gunna said repeatedly the only Greenlne projects that
have a complete script. Sorry, I guess that is a
point of difference from Marvel Studios, which is sometimes announced

(02:22:51):
the projects with release dates before a writer has been hired. Yeah. True,
let alone before script is completed, and famously reworks movies
throughout the filmmaking process. The Fantastic Fours star Emen Moss
Backrock recently told Variety that he didn't think, quote the
script is fully ready when the cast began three weeks
of rehearsals before filming, So we were sort of work
shopping the movie in a way, and that is scary,

(02:23:14):
but that is also the rumors obviously spoke about on
from sources as we spoke about on Hot Mic, and
other people have speculated as well that there isn't a
finished script for Secret Wars or Doomsday even yet and
so they're still figuring it out. So yeah, maybe fight
you took a shoe with both the comparison between guns

(02:23:35):
mandated at DC and Marvel's approach, of course you would,
and the idea that Marvel needed to radically alter how
it makes projects. We've never started a movie without a
full script, and I have never been satisfied with the
script that we've had. I've never been satisfied with the
movie we've released. This is great political talk for those

(02:23:56):
of you who are studying how to become a future
political leader maybe either whether you're in business in Hollywood
or outside of Hollywood. This is great political double talk.
We've never started a movie without a full script. Sure,
I mean maybe in that the script was finished, we
didn't one hundred percent like it, but we have a

(02:24:18):
we have to hit a certain date, so we're gonna
start shooting it and then figure out what we need
to work out as we go along.

Speaker 2 (02:24:27):
And look I've seen people push back on the.

Speaker 1 (02:24:29):
Well, they're always rewriting on sets. Have you ever made
a movie before? Sure, yes, But it's different when you're
writing massive fucking parts of the movie or haven't even
finished writing massive parts of the fucking movie and write
and rewriting a diner scene. There's two different fucking things. So,
and he's I've never been satisfied with the script that
we've had. I've never been sat with the movie. That's

(02:24:50):
basically again playing both sides in the situation. Uh, that
they've never He's never been satisfied. It was basically saying
there's always room for improvement. It's what he's trying to say.
He defended Marvel's practic of plussing projects at every turn
as they're being made, a term of art, referring to
pushing for incremental improvements that Figi credited to Walt Disney. Actors,
both the ones that are playing these characters for the

(02:25:10):
first or second time and the characters playing them for
the tenth or twelfth time are the best in the
world at it and know these characters so well. Figi said,
if they have an idea, you want to listen to it,
and you want to adjust to it, and you want
to improve it. I wouldn't want to change that. Yeah,
I guess that's fine. It's kind of shielding itself a
little bit and like, hey, this is cool. We're doing
this blah blah blah, and we're getting input from the

(02:25:33):
actors so they can feel more agency in what they're creating.
I totally understand that. But plusing the projects is what
sometimes lands them into hot water because they add too
much and it becomes convoluted, and they're trying to do
too much and they don't have enough the groundwork being
laid down to have the films or the TV shows

(02:25:54):
deliver that punch that they intend it to deliver. Faggy continued,
I know there are filmakers, James, and my experience isn't
one of them. Maybe he is. Now, who say if
you want to be a part of my movie, you
just say the words and you stay here the entire
schedule in case we need you. We have so many actors.
We can't do that. We don't do that. We give
people a window. We keep to that window. That hasn't

(02:26:15):
always been the case, right. We've seen them extend and
have to do reshoots and readjust and whatever. So I
don't know how much truth is in that.

Speaker 2 (02:26:22):
Fascinating. I know there are filmmakers James and my experiences
in one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:26:25):
But maybe he is. Now who say, if you want
to be part of my movie, you just say the
words and you stay here the entire schedule in case
we need you. Fascinating. Why would he say that about James.
I don't know why he brings James into this, but okay, yeah,
all right, fairpoint. Marvelous changed course at least one major
aspect of its films their cost. After budgets began a

(02:26:46):
balloon following in Game, partly due to the pandemic, partly
due to the quote feeling the need to deliver a
certain level of spectacle, the studio quote started grinding down
the budget in twenty twenty three. Fig you said, Marvel's
films from Deadpool and Wolvering through the Fantastic Four have
been upwards of a third cheap than they were two
years before that. Yeah, I mean, if you look at

(02:27:07):
the casting in those films, where are they going? You know,
they're going for the cheaper talent. They're not going to
pay extra. Not that that's not that they're cheaper in
terms of quality, but they're cheaper in terms of where
they're at in their careers and what they can demand.
Adam Driver is going to be a different quote than
Pedro Pascal, h Emma Stone or Margot Robbie is going

(02:27:29):
to be a different quote than Aessa Kirby. You know,
I don't know who the Johnny Storm, what they were
thinking of or the thing, but yeah, I mean those
are those things you look at for sure, Deadpool, Wolverine,
you have the whole TVA crews, a bunch of TV actors,
Wooman Masaka, Andrew McFadden. Yes, you brought Hugh Jackman back,
but I imagine you weren't breaking the bank to bring
Hugh Jackman back to play the role. And uh Ryan

(02:27:53):
was certainly play it was paid a certain amount for sure,
so they understand who to pay and who who they
can go cheaper on when they look at us. If
like you said, Marvel executives even met with the teams
behind the twenty twenty three sci fi epic The Creator,
which director Gareth od was made for staggeringly low eighty
million dollars to learn how they pulled it off. That's
good I think everybody's in that state of mind, at
least a Disney bike. You said of the belt tightening,

(02:28:14):
I think it has to get better. Is Ai going
to do that? I don't know. Whooooooo whoo. That is
a massive quote. That is a massive quote. I think
everybody's in that state of mind, at least at Disney
about the belt tightening quote. I think it has to
get better. Is Ai going to do that? I don't know.

(02:28:38):
He's the one bringing up Ai. That is absolutely a
trial balloon. He is floating that up there and adding
that to a response that he has not been asked
about in order to prepare the audience that this is
going to happen. And I tell you this, only the
creatives are going to be pissed about this. Maybe some

(02:28:58):
occasional fans, but the creatives are the only ones who
are going to be pissed at this. A majority of
the fans are like, wait, if you can churn out
the content cheaper quicker with AI and I can't tell
the difference, then I'm on board. And I'm telling you,
I think that's what is absolutely coming down from Hollywood

(02:29:18):
very very soon. This tried to stem the AI tied
thing that strikes we're all about. It is absolutely going
to be a crushing tsunami wave of AI that is
going to drown all those creatives out. I'm telling you
that is absolutely true. He is speaking as a company man.
He is not speaking as a creative. He is speaking
as a Disney companyman. Can we make it for cheaper

(02:29:40):
and still make it look epic, then we will use
AI and we'll deal with the people crying about And yeah,
at the end of the end of the studio was
very funny when he's like, oh fuck AI.

Speaker 2 (02:29:52):
Yeah, that's great for the creatives to say that.

Speaker 1 (02:29:54):
But I'm telling you there's not going to be a
massive outcry from the fans. That's going to be like
in the hundreds of millions that people want to stop
and not go to these movies.

Speaker 2 (02:30:03):
They just want to be entertained.

Speaker 1 (02:30:05):
And if they could deal with CGI, if they could
deal with special effects I think, which is what AI
is is evolved from in movies, then they're gonna be
fine with AI, I'm telling you. And he is floating
that as a trial balloon. There's no fucking way he's
not floating that as a trial balloot. So yeah, the
MCU's future won't be in Hollywood, so real quick. Uh,

(02:30:28):
who is it who said that the planet evans? Is
that a shocker? I don't think so. You may not
think so Planet Yavin. But for someone who represents a
large brand like Marvel to say that straight up that
is a massive thing. It's Disney. He's representing Disney. When
he says that Disney and Marvel, so that's dangerous, that's
essentially him saying, yes, we're going to do AI deal

(02:30:49):
with it. Well, I got a dude from Lionsgate saying it.
I don't mean anywhere near the amount that it means.
When Kevin Feige is saying so, that's a massive deal,
massive deal. A right, The mgu's future won't be in Hollywood.
Don't look for the Avengers to set up shop in
La anytime soon. The Super Team's next two adventures, Doomsday
and Secret Wars, are being produced in London's Pinewood Studios,
the latest and the long line of budget, big budget

(02:31:10):
Hollywood films as he camp for the UK. The movies
left many in the industry raising the alarm about runaway production,
a message that President Trump briefly embraced when he floated
the idea of imposing tariffs and foreign made blockbusters, and
let me add this, and then quickly moved on with
whatever bright thing was dangling in front of the space,
Fikey said. The decision to make the new movies overseas,
as opposed to in Georgia, where many previous Marble films

(02:31:31):
have been shot, came down to space, not just the
UK's generous subsidies. There was a time which is not
right now, but there was a time where we made
that deal five or six years ago where everybody was
fighting for stage space and the great expansion of not
just us, but everybody, Fikey said, referencing the explosion in
production of a company of the streaming revolution. So we
had the opportunity to lock up Pinewood, which is why
many of our movies will be there for the foreseeable future.

(02:31:53):
Nothing wrong with that business decision. You gotta do what
you gotta do. He predicted that future Marvel movies will
be shot in the US, particularly in production and hubs
like Georgia and New York that offer more competitive film incentives.
In California, which originally passed a new seven hundred and
fifty million dollars production tax credit. My career of making
these big movies. Very few of them posts the Phase
one movies have been here and they moved because of
the cost. There's one exception, however, Wonder Man, which takes

(02:32:15):
place in Hollywood have filmed entirely, was filmed rather in
the entertainment capital. So yeah, to me, I'm not so
surprised by this. This makes sense, And this is low
key a shot at Galifornia Governor Gavin Newsom and at
the state itself to make changes to make it attractive
to bring Hollywood back. But you know that there's a

(02:32:37):
strong contingent of Republicans who don't want to, who don't
give a fuck about Hollywood and just want to undercut
Hollywood at every opportunity they can. So we will see
how that all plays itself out in California. Kangs could
put of course, but what about Shirley's throwing in the
internal So this is intrue. In March of twenty twenty three,
a month after Jonathan Major's played the arts villain and
we know all this Kang it was arresting King and Tautastanosh.

(02:33:02):
But the day margin Majors was committed on two to
misdemeanor Council for US when of some marvel Us was
parting ways the active Following this, Robert down Junior was
turning the MCU. But on Friday, Figy revealed that the
studio had grown wary of Kang's heft as a character
before Quantumnia hit theaters. Ooh, this is an interesting development.
We had started to realize that Kang wasn't big enough,
wasn't fanos, and that there was only one character that

(02:33:23):
could be that because it was that in the comics
for decades and decades. We started talking about doctor Doom
even before we officially pivoted from Kang. In fact, I
had started talking with Robert about this audacious idea before
ant Man three even came out. All right, this is
a fascinating quote. Again, I'm thinking on my feet here
as I read this. He is basically trying to wreckon

(02:33:47):
the history of this with unprovable stuff. No one can say, well,
I have an email from Kevin Feige where he brought
up Doom replacing Kang and us pivoting away from kmfore
for the Jonathan Major stuff. So by saying this, he's
essentially saying, well, we had plans to move on anyway,
in case Jonathan wants to sue us for whatever. We

(02:34:10):
had plans already. We were going to move on from him.
He was not going to be as big as people say,
And don't judge me in my decision making process to
have chosen Jonathan Major's and had him be this massive
villain that he was going to be in the movies. No, no,
we were already moving on for Jonathan Major. So it
wasn't that big of a deal. People are wrong for

(02:34:32):
thinking that I casked him to be this massive, big
battie and that we were going to stay the course
with him. No. No, we were already thinking of moving on.
We had already thought about Robert Downey Junior. In fact,
I floated the idea ahead of time. That is some
amazing red conning being done here from Kevin Figgey. I
don't believe a word of it. That is not the
truth here on the truth. In my opinion, that is

(02:34:53):
not the truth. I don't think it's the truth. We
had started with Kank. Wasn't big enough, wasn't Fannel there?
I mean, why would you even shoot a Council of
King's shot if you didn't think he was big enough
to do all this stuff, So I think this is
utter nonsense.

Speaker 2 (02:35:10):
I think that's absolutely not true.

Speaker 1 (02:35:13):
But all right, well, anyway, while King's future are lack
of one in the MCU is obvious, FIU was far
more circumspect about whether audiences can expect to see other
a list MCU cameos like Charlie Thorn's Claia break Goldstein's Hercules,
Harry Styles Star Fox and Sasha Barry Cohens Mephisto again
in later projects, and he responded by saying, do you
want to see them again? Asked playfully. When a reporter

(02:35:35):
responded that the inclusion of those characters indicates a promise
that they would return at some point, Figi brought up
the return of Tim Blake Nelson's character Samuel Stearns from
twenty eight Incrediblehulk for twenty twenty five's Captain America Brave
New World, and Rolf Saxon's character William don Low from
ninety six Mission Impossible for twenty twenty five's Mission Impossible
both the Final Reckoning and the Dead Reckoning Part one.
That is fun to me. So let's talk again in

(02:35:56):
twelve years and see who comes back. They're all dead people.
They are not coming back. Let me just say this
right now. None of those people. I mean, I don't
know about a Fisto, I don't think he's yeah, yeah,
I don't think Claiah, Yeah, I think it's very I
would say I'll rank this in order of possibility Charlie's Thrones.

(02:36:16):
Claia absolutely, I think she has a real good opportunity
to come back than everyone else. I don't think. I mean,
iron Hart is essentially they treated like a toss away show. Yeah,
it's nice that people like this. It's nice to get
eighty percent or whatever about the critics and the fans.
But the view numbers were not that great for Ironheart,
and so why would you bring back Sasha Baron Cohens

(02:36:38):
my fisto if you the view from a show that
wasn't that well received, I don't think it's gonna happen.
Bret Goldstein's Hercules even less so, Harry Styles star Fucks
even less so. So Yeah, no, I don't think any
of those people are coming back. I think they want
to just move forward. What about major characters like Moonight
or the Tunnels would they return?

Speaker 5 (02:36:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:36:57):
Spikey said, I don't know that it's any of the
specific ones you just named, but yes, that is part
of the planning. This is great. I mean, I just
admire this as as a man. Is just political as fuck. Here,
characters we've introduced post Endgame will pop up again in
some of the upcoming movies and beyond the fun of
the comics. Is anyone popping up anywhere? Now? Listen, some

(02:37:20):
of you may defend this and say, well, he's not
gonna tell you if they're gonna show up here where
it's I gonna show you where they're going to. Of course,
but if he was excited about a character, he would
not be like, well do you want to see them?
Or do you want to see them? Or he or well,
I don't know that it's any of the specific ones
you just named, Moonnight or Eternals, but yes, that is

(02:37:43):
part of the characters we've introduced post Endgame is part
of the plan to pop up again in some That
could mean any of the characters can pop up if
it makes sense for the scripts they are writing. It's clear.
I mean, we might see Moonnight in Doomsday or.

Speaker 2 (02:37:58):
Secret Wars.

Speaker 1 (02:37:58):
But I think it's clear he laying the groundwork that
he is going to be and we've suspected this, that
there's going to be a culling of all of these
characters post Secret Wars, and it's going to happen possibly
in Secret Wars, and maybe it doesn't mean that he
kills them, but maybe they get banished to another Earth
or another timeline, and so if they ever want to
open the door to a multiversal thing, they can down

(02:38:21):
the road. So they give themselves the option. But yeah,
I mean, it seems very clear that he is setting
he's setting you up a to understand that they're going
to spend less money on these films and TV shows.

Speaker 2 (02:38:31):
They're gonna be the TV.

Speaker 1 (02:38:31):
Shows aren't going to be necessarily crossing over into the
movies necessarily. They're going to pick and choose what characters
and storylines cross over into the movies. They are going
to still somewhat focus on DEI, but not really. They're
going to use AI and this situation here that they're

(02:38:56):
going there that they're not going to promise you that
any of these characters are going to come back. Perhaps
the most tantalizing moment in Navy became when a reporter
asked Figive about how often Marvel plans to make films
that focus on a single character like Shangqi rather than
a giant team up, and he said, we were talking
about a structure of an upcoming post Secret Wars movie
that I won't name, but I will say, like shang Chi,
it's getting back to what genre haven't we done and

(02:39:17):
want to do? And how could this movie be that genre?
We would focus on a singular storyline by embracing a
certain genre we haven't seen in a while. Ooh, let
the internet speculation commence. Interesting? What we were talking about
a structure of an upcoming post Secret Wars movie that

(02:39:38):
I won't name, but I will say, Like shang Chi,
it's getting back to what genre haven't we done and
want to do? And how could this movie be that genre?
We would focus on a singular storyline by embracing a
certain genre we haven't seen in a while. What do
you guys think that is? What do you guys think
that is? That is interesting? That was like Midnight Sons?

(02:40:01):
That sounds like horror? Right? That sounds like midnight Suns?
What Figi is watching and what his future looks like?
Clad in a Fantastic four hoodie and seated next to
a giant eighty dollars galactus popcorn bucket. That is madness.
Figi took time to herald the return of Marvel's first
family to the MCU, part of Disney's acquisition of twentieth
Century Box in twenty nineteen. They deserve to be a lister,

(02:40:21):
as he said, there have been maybe good Fantastic War
movies or not so good Fantastic War movies, but nothing
that felt like we had really seen what they are
capable of. None of them. Figi also teas that the
four lead actors from the unreleased nineteen ninety four Fantastic
Four film executive is by Roger mccorman, all have cameos
in the new movie. Oh that's great. It was especially

(02:40:41):
excited about the retro future esthetic of the Fantastic Four
and other film embodies the company's efforts to make projects
that aren't intimidating casual Marvel fans. We always were planning
even before that became a talking point, to introduce them
in their own world in which they are the only heroes.
Figi said. It is a no homework required movie. It
literally is not connected to anything we've made before. No

(02:41:05):
homework required, there goes He's really trying to hammer that
point home. One possible hint for where the MCU could
go next also lies in Hollywood's past. Asked what he's
been watching recently, fig he said he started watching classic
films every night, mostly from the nineteen thirties and forties,
like the noir thriller of the Big Clock, Damn Good
noir Thriller with Brave Miland and Charles Lawton, the legal
drama Lawyer Man with William Powell, and the western Dodge

(02:41:27):
City Yes, with Aerol Friend and Olivia de Havlin. So
are we looking at noir thrillers? Are we looking at
legal dramas? Are we looking at westerns? In the MCU,
it's remembering what cinema is and what movie you're going
is and what intenning audiences is. Sorry, let me read
that again. It's remembering what cinema is and what movie
going audience. It's remembering what cinema is and what movie
going is, and what entertaining audiences is. Everything old is

(02:41:49):
new again, by the way, That's another reason I watched
those old movies. Brother, you and me. Absolutely I do
the same thing. I watched an old Western the other
night with Steve mc queen that I had never seen,
which I really enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (02:42:05):
Ah damn it.

Speaker 1 (02:42:06):
What was the name of it? Oh Jesus, oh man?
Uh what was it? It was like one of his
last movies, Tom Horn. That's right, Tom Horn. Not a
great movie, but it was good to watch an older movie,
an older Western. As for his own future, a marvel

(02:42:30):
My Fighting appears to be keeping his options open. Succession
is a hot topic of the Disney company, he says,
alluding to eigers ever impeting departures. Disney CEO. We always
talk about succession, even within divisions too. I think for
that reason. Do I want to be making big movies
for big audiences in ten or fifteen years from now, Yes, absolutely,
that's all I wanted to Marvel's a great way to
do that for me right now. But I hope to

(02:42:50):
make big movies for lots of people for ever. So yeah,
that is the article thereof a lot as I said
to consider to think about. Certainly, I think he was.
I think he's very clear about the approach they're taking
and wants to make it clear that these are movies
that are what is going on here with Marvel, So

(02:43:12):
I think that's what he's talking about, trying to set
you up for what you and there's not a coincidence
that he's doing this like on the second the weekend,
right before Fantastic Four comes out, but also to remind people,
because Superman is doing so well, that Marvel is out
there with a movie as well, that they are the
big dog in town still and they want to reclaim

(02:43:32):
their yard. And I think that's what this interview does.
It Basically, he's trying to calm all the criticisms and
all the fears. He's trying to retcon the King situation,
the Jonathan Major's Kang situation, which I don't believe a
word of by the way.

Speaker 2 (02:43:46):
He's trying to make it. He's trying to talk to those.

Speaker 1 (02:43:48):
People who are like, oh, I don't want to watch
all these shows and watch the movies. Hey, it's okay,
just watch the movies. You don't have to watch the shows.
What I like the shows. We've got shows too, but
they're not necessarily going to tie into the MCU. You
can watch them free and clear, or you can watch
them and keep track of stuff, and so if they
pop up in stuff later you'll enjoy them being in
the stuff later because you've done the homework and you've

(02:44:09):
figured it out. He's introduced AI. I think his DEI
answers were disingenuous at best and also red conning. But
he's got a business to run, and right now Trump
is Trump's Matt house of An administration is looking to challenge,
to punish anybody who dares to care about people of color,

(02:44:31):
or women or LGBTQ or women rights rather and or
LGBT plus communities. And so they have to do what's business.
What the business is. They're a big brand. I don't
like it, but I understand why they're doing it. So
he's doing that as well. He may have previewed Midnight Suns.
He may be playing a little bit of a game

(02:44:53):
about Miles Morales, putting an end date there for when
they might be able to look at him again. But yeah,
this was an interesting interview. Matt's how many fun cap
that's all of them. That's all of them. But that's
all all of them that you see there. That's all
my fun come pops.

Speaker 5 (02:45:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:45:12):
But yeah, this is something that is fascinating to consider.
So yeah, I think it was a good interview. I
think you didn't get much out of this other than
teasing stuff that's coming and trying to calm fears that
people have had about Disney and Marvel, and trying to
speak to some of the criticisms, both warranted and unwarranted
in the anti woke side of things, and trying to

(02:45:35):
get people back inside the tent. And I think he
has kind of opened the door to that, so we
will see if that ends up being the way it
all goes down. What did he say about Blade? Did
I miss that? I don't know if I did. I
miss that him saying anything about blade? Uh, yeah, I

(02:45:57):
don't know that. He I must have here we go.
I must have missed anything, because he's he mentions blade. Sorry,
let me see, Yeah, I thought that. I don't think
he mentioned okay, the status of blade. This was when

(02:46:18):
oh today as well? Okay, so he addressed blade. Let's
look at this and I know we gotta go. So
let's look at a blade real quick. Um, oh, let
me talk now, let's take this out so over here,
all right, he said. Despite numerous false starts, maharsh Ali's

(02:46:39):
debut as a vampire slaying Blade, it's still in the works,
says Marvel Studios chief. Now this is July twentieth, twenty
two five today at twelve one, so forty minutes ago.
Marsh Ali is still attached. If I get told room
full of journalists, the obstacle was Ryan Google called and said,
we'd love to do costumes for sinners. He joked for
a costumes created by Ruthie Carter for abandoned Blade film
that Marvel commissioned. And so back to Cardifal Google's vampire film,

(02:47:00):
and we said, take a man, no problem, he's a
good friend.

Speaker 2 (02:47:02):
Take our costumes. We'll hold off on the movie.

Speaker 1 (02:47:06):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:47:07):
In all seriousness, though Figi said.

Speaker 1 (02:47:09):
Explained the prolonged delays on Blade were a symptom of
Marvel's quote over expansion. How the executive characterizes the studio's
response to Disney's mandate to produce more content at the
onset of the Disney Plus streaming service. Fig hesitated to
use a quote dramatic term like fallout to characterize the
resulting situation. But for the first time ever, quantity trumped quality.
He said, we talked about that. So these are all

(02:47:32):
the same quotes. So as Marvel the Blade, we didn't
want to simply just put a leather outfit on him
and have him start killing vampires. It had to be unique.
It fell into the time when we started pulling back
and saying only except insanely great, and it wasn't insanely
great at the time. So clearly the last few stuff
they didn't feel was insanely great, they just had to
get it out. It seems very clear that's what he's saying.
We didn't feel like, as we often do, you can

(02:47:53):
have a good script and make it a great script
through production. We didn't feel confident that we could do
that on Blade, and we didn't want to do that
to Marscaw and didn't want to do that to us.
There's currently no director attached. Ali insists he's still game
cal Marvel right. I covered that on one of my
shorts when asked when Blade could start production, I'm ready

(02:48:15):
let them know him ready. Several screenwriters have also been announced,
and Figy says there have been three or four iterations
of the Blade story, two of which were period pieces,
but we've landed on modern day. Figi confirmed, which is
why we could give those costumes back to Ruth, and
that's what we're focusing on so it'll be a modern
day Blade fig He said. Coogler is not in the

(02:48:36):
running to helm the Blade picture and seem surprised that
anyone was pushing for that to happen. The filmmaker has
black panthers free to focus on. He says, what we
know when on the timeline it is, and if he's
telling you he doesn't, that's perfect, Figy said. So after
all this, does Figy regret announcing the project during hall
age only in hindsight, I do, but I don't because
that's the way we'd announce everything before like that and
and had not not delivered. Then, he pointed to a

(02:48:58):
tremendous amount of current Curveball is the studio face to
twenty nineteen and today, and I think that's fair. COVID
and all of that strike delays and all of that
as well specific Marvel specific tribulations like friends and Stars
dying and storyline shifting people because people didn't respond to
them the way we wanted. And then with Kang actors,
John the Major's falling out of our ability to use them.
So there you go. I think that's everything right that

(02:49:22):
he spoke about. I don't want to miss anything. Yeah,
all right, there you go. So all right, at least
we covered Blade. I wanted to cover Blade as well,
so we got the Blade situation squared away. So that's
everything there that was in these articles from Kevin, in
this article from Kevin, and so I think, even though
I was responding to it in real time, I think

(02:49:44):
I've pretty much nailed how I feel about this, and
maybe there'll be more nuance to it. If Jeff and
I do a show tomorrow. I'm sure we're going to
break this article down and the things he said a
little bit more deeply. But yeah, all right, let's get
to the questions. Thank you everybody who's with us, three
hundred and eighty five people still hanging out, almost four
hundred of the sorry, almost four hundred of you still
hanging out with me. Thanks so much. I got to

(02:50:05):
get through these questions and get on out of here
because I gotta get some lunch. I have been on
this for almost three hours now, and I appreciate hanging
out on Sunday with you all, but this boy has
got to rest. I took three vaccines on Friday for pneumonia, COVID,
and for shingles, and I have been a wreck all
Friday and Saturday, and today's first day, I felt kind
of semi decent, but now I'm starting to get a

(02:50:26):
little run down.

Speaker 2 (02:50:27):
So I want to get through these questions quickly and
send them in.

Speaker 1 (02:50:30):
If you haven't sent them in, I will answer every
single one of them, so and I will take my
thing down. So we just see the questions. All right,
let's get to it. Here we go, all right, Wiley Todd, Hey, John,
I'm a big fan of George Clooney. Do you have
any recommendations for underrated or underseening movies of his? Thanks?

Speaker 2 (02:50:47):
Oh, that's a great question.

Speaker 1 (02:50:48):
Uh, let me see. I guess I would say Michael Clayton.
Even though a lot of people like that movie, it
doesn't like people don't bring that movie up too often.
Good Night, Good Luck, which he based his play on.
I think IDEs of March is effing incredible. If you

(02:51:09):
haven't seen that. That's Ryan Gossling, Evan rachel Wood, and
Clooney in that film, and he's a pretty brutal guy
in that film. I think Money Monster was excellent with
him and Julia Roberts and Jack O'Connell. Before you saw
Jack in in Sinners. Yeah, you can skip Tomorrowland, you

(02:51:29):
can skip Monuments Man. Gravity, he's damn good. And Gravity Descendants.
If you haven't seen Descendants, Man, that is excellent. The American.
No one talks about the American, and the American is excellent.
That is one of those films I saw in twenty ten.
I was trying to tell everybody to go see that movie.
It's an international film, but he plays an American assassin
who is assigned to take care of a situation and

(02:51:51):
then discovers complications. So I highly recommend that one. If
you haven't seen that one. Yeah, no, leatherheads, you're not
missing anything out on that. Syriana. If you haven't seen Syriana,
that to me is still his greatest work as an actor.
Syria He won the Oscar for that, and he's excellent
at Siriana. Uh. Solaris is a good remake of the
Russian original film from the nineteen seventies. Him and Natasha

(02:52:14):
mckelhoune is devastating that film. Oh what the hell?

Speaker 2 (02:52:20):
Oh, I guess I must have turned on Siri in
some way.

Speaker 1 (02:52:24):
Uh. But yeah, those are the ones I would recommend
to you, Wiley, So take a look at those if
any of those speak to you, kJ says Rock is great,
but thank god Rock did not take over DC. If
the Rock was the head of DC, he would be
driving the Batmobile, dating Wonder Woman, teaching Aquaman how to
swim in Superman. One million percent, one million percent, My guy,
you are absolutely correct with that, absolutely correct. Uh so true?

(02:52:49):
Uh yeah, because remember he wanted to retcon the situation
so he'd be the main person in the Shazam story
and then become a main person in the DCS like
everyone would. Everything would wrong around Black Adam, which is
that's a level of nonsense ego that I just do
not get. Daniel Sohn says, crazy people want Henry for Batman,
but he's done with DC after everything that happened.

Speaker 2 (02:53:08):
It's not James Gunn's fault. It's a Warner Brothers issue.

Speaker 1 (02:53:11):
Yeah, but it's different people in charge of Warner Brothers
now right, And James Gunn and Peter Saffer weren't the
ones that fucked him over. That was especially the Rock,
as Jean Collet Sera with Abdeen de Luca's help, those
are the people, and maybe Zaslov too, because as I said,
if Zaslov approved it, which I think he did, so
maybe he wouldn't come back, but maybe I think you know,

(02:53:33):
time heals all wounds.

Speaker 2 (02:53:34):
Time heels all wounds.

Speaker 1 (02:53:35):
Look at over at all the Star Wars people that
might be coming back, Is it really, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac.
Time heals all wounds. And actors need to work. You
can sit on your I'm hurt by what you did,
Mountain Oil along all you want. Actors need to work.
Actors need to pay bills. Actors need to make money.
Hurt feelings, fuck hurt feelings. They care about money and

(02:53:57):
working and being in prominence because if you were big
in bigger projects, you can demand bigger paychecks. That's how
it works. Guys, please stop thinking that these creators are
in some fantasy world of like I only make great heart.
Come on, man, Kajie said, are you a steel book collector?
Your favorite two book minus Superman seventy eight steel book? No,

(02:54:17):
I don't collect steel books, brother, I don't think that's
that big of a deal. I like the Platoon one
that I saw recently. The Magnificent seven to one is
a pretty cool steel book. I saw the True Romance
one that is one that I would probably buy because
I saw that on Shout.

Speaker 2 (02:54:33):
It's on Shout in four K. That's an excellent steel book.
So yeah, says There was.

Speaker 1 (02:54:38):
An interview Whereffleck said he didn't wan anything to do
with guns universe. Seemed like he was upset gun in
Saffer and mentioned him in their initial reviewing where they
took over the DCU. Yeah. Sure, but you know it
seemed like that, right, So you don't know if he
actually felt that way. You're just an analyzing and sensing
that he felt that way. But he said he didn't
wanted to do with the gun. That doesn't mean that
if this thing becomes a success, the doors don't open up.

(02:54:59):
And it doesn't mean he went and saw Superman and
was like, ah shit, this might be a fun universe
to be in. So you never know. But everyone says
things and then certain stuff happens and then you change
your mind. That's humanity mood, said Oliver Jackson Cohen is Batman.
I don't know, let me see, Oliver Jackson coin Yeah,

(02:55:24):
I'm running out of steam I can tell. Sorry guys, Yeah,
I don't know. I haven't seen. Oh, Invisibleman always the
he was the mean dude. Invisible Man I could never
forgive him for in Visible Man, try to kill Elizabeth
Mossi's Son of a Man Frantastic three fourteen. The DCEU

(02:55:46):
will be equally dark as it is light. Yeah, it
seems like that's the approach. Sure, Eddie Lady says, have
you seen Eddington last fifteen minutes? Unraveled? In my opinion? Yeah,
that's why I haven't seen it. I haven't heard great reviews,
very mixed. But I will see it this week. At
some point point. I have to treat myself to movies
this week, so I will go see that this week,
Eddie o'lady. Else is Megan Fay. She gives Linda Carter vibes.

(02:56:12):
That's right, I got. I don't know every actor One
Life to Live from Broadway, the bold type. Never heard
of that. Yeah, I don't know this person. Yeah, I
don't watch White Lotus, so I don't know her. I

(02:56:33):
didn't watch Sirens. Yeah I don't know her, so necessary
of the show. Sorry, Yeah, no, I haven't never seen her.
So I cannopine one way or the other, but from
the look, I don't know if I see it. Cowboys
fan nine two, Hey, John has a creative myself. I
too have this backbone as a kid with disabilities growing
up being bullied as a kid back in the nineties
and early two thousands. Yeah, I think every a lot

(02:56:54):
of creatives were bullied. A lot of creatives were rity
culed to make fun ofn't hurt, and so that's a
big part of who they are and why they create
the art that they create, and why they try to
reach people who are in the same situations and help them.
I have two flight ams just got here. Superman will
top six twenty five, and that's good enough for now.
WB is having a great year. What do you think
is the mystery show gun is announcing?

Speaker 4 (02:57:14):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:57:15):
I don't know, and I do think people have guessed
it already. I just think he's trying to say no,
one's guessed it, and then someone's gonna pop and go
like said this two years ago. So I don't know
what the mystery show is the gun is announcing. I
don't Maybe I'll think about it more, but thank you,
I twof I Cama. We'll see if it hit six
twenty five, we'll see. Certainly it looks it right now,

(02:57:35):
cowas fan, I do you, by the way, I told
you three. I told you three on the Live Geek
Buddy show that I saw the Superman touching the twenty
five million plus mark. I don't know what that means.
Twenty five million plus mark yet, Okay, they've made more
than twenty five millions, So again, I'm just wondering what
you mean by that true Boss cavel for Captain Adams.

(02:57:56):
Sergeant Rocker O'Ryan is dope, I think, Oriyan, I don't
know about Sarge rock.

Speaker 2 (02:58:00):
Captain Adam could be real interesting. I think that's uh.
I like the Captain Adams suggestion.

Speaker 1 (02:58:05):
True Boss. Fantastic three fourteen says I want to see
the actors yelling at the exact who approved these ridiculous
interviewers making dumb statements or asking idiotic questions. Yeah, that
would be a fun way to promote the movie. Is
the actors yelling at the publicists for them bringing in
these people to do this? Samir says, Roka, you appreciate
a brother for all you do. Thank you, Simy. I
appreciate that good good picture there, Gunn and Sneyder. I

(02:58:27):
love that, Draws Walker, Thank you for putting the extra
time for us. Thank you, Draws. I appreciate the support
brother men. Is he ninety eight to keep going broke?
I'm so ready for Fantastic four, bit of winning all
the clips coming out, Really want to get all the
surprises firsthand in theory. Yeah, I would agree with you.
Is he don't don't watch any more trailers? I fire
you want block Fantastic four on social media as a
as a hashtag so you don't see any of the pictures.

(02:58:48):
People are releasing pictures of these people in the film already,
which is ruining the look of them. Why would you
do this, Brian Brawlins, says rokea behavior, Sir, sir, remember
what we talked about. I don't know. I don't know
what Brian's talking about. He talks about so many things. Well,
he's one of my patrons on my Patreon, which you
can join patreon dot com. Slash John Roca says, we

(02:59:11):
do hangouts every Sunday at five PMPT. Yeah, so Preston
talks about a lot of things. Alice Smithy Figy supports
classic film. I feel the love. Hell, yeah, that's nice
to see him say that. I agree Smithy, that was
a sweet thing for him, saying, because Classic film people
seem to be forgetting it and it needs to be remembered.
All right, let's hit these stream labs, Kat and La
Happy Sunday would love to hear your take on the

(02:59:33):
Stephen Colbert situation. Well, it popped up during the hot mic,
and I don't think I had a full grasp of
what was going on. Now I would tell you that
I think it's terrible. I think it's absolutely political retribution. Yes,
was the show losing money, sure, but it was the
number one show in late night. All statistics and ad

(02:59:53):
dollars prove that. So if the other ones aren't being canceled,
why is this one the first one being canceled? Two
days after he attacks EBS were bending the knee and
kissing the ass of Trump. So to me, the timing
of it, even if it's not related, it's phenomenally stupid,
the timing of it. And so they deserve to get
raked over the COLS. They deserve to have the credibility question.

(03:00:14):
They deserve to get yanked all over the place. Jimmy Kimmel,
all these people deserve to ridicule them for what CBS,
for what they did. And I do think CBS is
absolutely capitulating through David Ellison, and I love that Writers
Guild has launched an investigation of this. Fuck yeah, subpoena
all their text messages, Spina, all their emails, David Ellison,
Cherry Redstone, everybody involved in this merger. If you can
get the California Attorney General the subpoena all their shit

(03:00:37):
so that we can get access to it in a
public forum and see what was really going on behind
the scenes, I'd be down with it. But you know,
they would appeal this all the way to the Supreme Court,
and the conservative judges would vote in favor of the
merger or in favor of their company, so that they
don't have to reveal this shit. But it should be revealed.
So I'm glad that they're at least wanting to sue them.
Samue says thoughts on Eddington. If you've seen it, I haven't, Samu,

(03:01:00):
I will go this week. I promise, I promise, I promise.
Fantastic says Roke is the real deal. Oh thanks, Fred.
I've always believed this, and when I taught my sons,
accept it or change it. The things you like accept
and the things you don't. Oh sorry, I've always believed this.
And when I taught my sons accept it or change it.
The things you like accept and the things you don't change.
You were one of the three I stayed with since

(03:01:21):
the Collider purge, and I have no regrets. Oh thanks, Fred,
I appreciate that. Man. Thank you man. I can't hear
that enough to be honest with you, so it's very
kind of you to say that, Tim says Spider Man.
Brand New Day opens just two weeks after the Odyssey.
I don't see how B and D sticks with that date.
I agree. I'm sure Nolan and Imax wants to keep
IMAX window as long as possible. With the demand for Imax,

(03:01:42):
a Brand New Day is also filming a digital Imax,
can we expect ben DDB. Yes, I think it gets pushed.
There's no way they were selling tickets a year out
to push the release date. No way. I think this
was a power move by Nolan and basically solidifying and
seeing and telling brothers, we are putting this film out

(03:02:03):
on this date, and we're going to sell the tickets
a year ahead of time so that you and I
and everybody else understands that this is when the date is.
Fuck Marvel, have them move, and I think that's what
Nolan did because Marvel's week right now, Marvel is like
the Godfather, right Salatso what a Salazzo tell Hagen? He says,
could I have shot the god because I could I

(03:02:24):
have gotten the Godfather like this ten years ago? No? Why?
Because the Godfather is slipping and if Michael hadn't come
in to save the Godfather, the Coleoni Empire would have
absolutely crumbled into dust. And I think the same thing here,
glimmer cast, what's up? Glimmercrast? Honest take, was Blade ever
really part of the MCU plan or just a favor
to Maharsarli with no real intention to follow through once

(03:02:45):
the Multiverse saga took priority. No, I think it was
always a part of the MCU plan, especially because they
announced it like what six years ago, So I think
they always they already had, They always had the intention
of having to be a part of it. Now things
have changed so much, but he's still clear that he
wants Maharslo to do it. Marshal says he wants to
do it, so now it's about I think they just
need to get through this situation with secret wars and

(03:03:07):
Endgame or sorry, Doomsday and Cigat Wars and then move forward.
Now you might see him pop up in Doomsday, you
might see him pop up in Cicret Wars, and then
they'll go forward with I thoroughly believe the Midnight Suns
are going to be formed in Secret Wars, so I
think it's very possible to see all of that finally
coming to fluish. All right, that's everything. Thank you all
so much for the stream lab and super that's I

(03:03:28):
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